Hello, fantastic video. I'm very glad that someone is covering this topic so thoroughly. Please tell me, when we switch from automatic exposure mode to manual, the clipping point changes. Does this mean that the dynamic range decreases? Or does the dynamic range just become a bit more compressed? I saw you change the Shutter Angle and the dynamic range decreases? What is the clipping point? Please explain this once again in as much detail as you can. What's happening? It looks like everything is fine in automatic mode. How are things in Final Cut Camera? Is the Blackmagic Camera definitely not buggy and allows correct interaction with the iPhone camera? (I use automatic white balance and heard that the native camera app and Final Cut Camera have much better algorithms, and that the white balance in Blackmagic is glitchy; could this be the case here as well?) Please explain why you are using ISO 1,600 not 1,250? Also, I've experienced problems with extreme noise reduction and loss of detail when shooting Apple Log on iPhone 15 Pro Max at ISO 1250 with the H.265 codec. Please tell me, was this only because I was shooting in a compressed codec, and would the problem go away if I used ProRes? I need to try it. As I understand now, that's the case. Additionally, as far as I can see, the noise reduction algorithms differ in the iPhone 16 Pro, and it doesn't ruin sharpness as much. ISO 1600 doesn't look the same on the iPhone 15 Pro and the iPhone 16 Pro in terms of detail. The 16 Pro is better. Is that true? I would be grateful for the most detailed answer. Your work is incredibly important to the world; it allows us to better understand the nuances and manipulate the iPhone truly professionally. Your video is like a breath of fresh air among very superficial and mediocre guides. Such a level of detail and depth is hard to find. I'm happy that I found you and subscribed.
In my newest video I explain the auto vs manual mode clip point issue again and I honestly think in a much more understandable way. I haven’t used the Final Cut Camera yet so unfortunately I can’t say. 1600 is visually the same as 1250, but has some quality of life improvements. The BMCA traffic lights will work correctly in 1600 and alert you if the highlights are clipping. I absolutely recommend with H265 to keep iso as low as possible. It’s exactly because of the already high compression of H265. I haven’t tested the 16 Pro yet so I cant speak to that.
Apple does all this to reduce as much noise texture as possible which ends up killing the fine grain in shadows but for apple they do it because then the hardware ProRes encoder has less work to do which will end up saving some battery power. They are barely making use of ProRes powers and treating it like some HEVC footage where data rates are crucial.
I would also like to add an additional comment. I opened the Blackmagic Camera App and noticed that... It seems they've fixed many things over these past four months. Could you please tell me what changes have occurred and what is the current state of the Blackmagic Camera App now? Which parts of this video remain relevant, and which are no longer applicable? Thank you.
Yeah I noticed this today too. I also overexposed a bit the other day and found bringing it down in Resolve was quite tough. Btw, not sure what your point is with the crushed blacks bit. Having crushed blacks and clipped highlights is not a bad thing and depends on context. Cullen Kelly’s philosophy of exposing photographically is a great way of thinking about exposure.
@@LuckeGabriel Hey! So we are discussing two different things here. I'm talking about crushed blacks and clipped highlights while filming, not grading an image. I completely agree with adjusting your highlights and shadows as needed during the grading process. However, this video focuses solely on filming in Apple Log and not on grading the image. When filming, you should be mindful of whether you are clipping out any information that way in post production you can make those decisions.
Hi quick question, when I finish recording my film with apple log and all my LUTs and video changes, when I go to export the video and save it to my camera roll the video saved only shows the apple log and no LUT or changes, any way to save film with the LUTs? Thanks
Hey! You have cannot export your LOG video with the LUT from BMCA, but you can bake in the LUT while filming in BMCA. This means you can give your video the look your LUT has, BUT that look cannot be changed and won’t have a log video. The third option is to have BMCA create proxy files with a baked in LUT. Your full res file will still be in LOG, but your proxies will have the LUT.
@@WRNFILM Thanks for the response, How would I create a proxy file with a baked in LUT? and then should I sent those 2 copies to my computer? or how to I end up getting the film to my phone
Could you please share your workflow in DaVinci Resolve? Do you perform color grading on the Mac's built-in display, or do you use a reference monitor? If so, calibrated to which gamma setting? Do you use the reference mode for the Apple monitor in the system display settings-perhaps a profile like HDTV Video without system gamma boosting? Also, in DaVinci Resolve, do you check the option "Use Mac Display Color Profiles for Viewers"? Which gamma setting do you use: 2.2, 2.4, or Scene? Do you use the Rec.709A output tag to ensure that the exported file matches the viewer and to avoid gamma shift? How do you transform Apple Log into Rec.709?) Your color grading is AMAZING!
I work off a Mac Studio with a calibrated LG C2 set to 2.2. So I do I complete 2.2 workflow, BUT I do export with a Rec709A tag. For some reason RUclips will crush your blacks if you tag 2.2 (I’ve had issues with this on other uploads) Apple log to 709 for this video I used a node based ACES workflow.
Thank u for confirming what i suspected + I just shot a film using BM false colors outside at 55 Iso with two NDs in bright daylight + I pushed half into yellow - anything under was crushed
Absolutely! For H265 I would recommend staying at the lowest ISO you can. Since H265 is already a very compressed codec macro blocking can occur in higher ISOs. I’d still recommend slightly ETTR-ing (maybe by a 1/2 stop) in any codec.
Just found your channel and am really enjoying it. I love how smaller RUclipsrs are doing content that's so much more interesting than just shilling products. But isn't the best ISO 1250 as Gerald Undone tested?
I appreciate that. With dynamic range: those test were done in black magic camera app 1.0 which only provided a very finicky ISO wheel making it hard to figure out what is native. Since then Blackmagic has reduced the ISO 1/3rd stops and placed 100, 200, 400, 1600, 3200 as quick select buttons. That’s why I’m going for 1600.
very confusing... if I resume : - Blackmagic App - in apple Log - prores codec we should under expose at 1250 / 1600 our false colors (between pink / Dark gray / green) ? that it ? and what about H265 codec same thing ?
Hey! If you are manually setting exposure while filming at 1250 / 1600iso you should OVER expose by around a 1/2 to 1 full stop assuming your highlights are safe. That way your shadow details don’t fall apart. If using H265 I would advise against using 1250 / 1600iso. The compression will destroy your footage. You’ll get better results using lower ISOs in H265z I would recommend never using the built in False Color in black magic camera app. It is broken while using Apple Log no matter what ISO you use.
@AliazAfe no, I would expose at the lowest ISO appropriate and expose normally. The exposure tips are mainly for Apple log and only for folks color grading their footage.
Many of those test were done in blackmagic camera app 1.0 which only provided a very finicky ISO wheel making it hard to figure out what is native. Since then Blackmagic has reduced the ISO 1/3rd stops and placed 100, 200, 400, 1600, 3200 as quick select buttons. That’s why I’m going for 1600.
Have you used Apple Log on a production yet?
Hello, fantastic video. I'm very glad that someone is covering this topic so thoroughly. Please tell me, when we switch from automatic exposure mode to manual, the clipping point changes. Does this mean that the dynamic range decreases? Or does the dynamic range just become a bit more compressed?
I saw you change the Shutter Angle and the dynamic range decreases? What is the clipping point? Please explain this once again in as much detail as you can. What's happening? It looks like everything is fine in automatic mode. How are things in Final Cut Camera? Is the Blackmagic Camera definitely not buggy and allows correct interaction with the iPhone camera? (I use automatic white balance and heard that the native camera app and Final Cut Camera have much better algorithms, and that the white balance in Blackmagic is glitchy; could this be the case here as well?)
Please explain why you are using ISO 1,600 not 1,250?
Also, I've experienced problems with extreme noise reduction and loss of detail when shooting Apple Log on iPhone 15 Pro Max at ISO 1250 with the H.265 codec. Please tell me, was this only because I was shooting in a compressed codec, and would the problem go away if I used ProRes? I need to try it. As I understand now, that's the case.
Additionally, as far as I can see, the noise reduction algorithms differ in the iPhone 16 Pro, and it doesn't ruin sharpness as much. ISO 1600 doesn't look the same on the iPhone 15 Pro and the iPhone 16 Pro in terms of detail. The 16 Pro is better. Is that true?
I would be grateful for the most detailed answer. Your work is incredibly important to the world; it allows us to better understand the nuances and manipulate the iPhone truly professionally. Your video is like a breath of fresh air among very superficial and mediocre guides. Such a level of detail and depth is hard to find. I'm happy that I found you and subscribed.
In my newest video I explain the auto vs manual mode clip point issue again and I honestly think in a much more understandable way.
I haven’t used the Final Cut Camera yet so unfortunately I can’t say.
1600 is visually the same as 1250, but has some quality of life improvements. The BMCA traffic lights will work correctly in 1600 and alert you if the highlights are clipping.
I absolutely recommend with H265 to keep iso as low as possible. It’s exactly because of the already high compression of H265.
I haven’t tested the 16 Pro yet so I cant speak to that.
Dude, this is great research. Keep ‘em coming!
Hope it helps!
Amazing. More of this !! iPhone 16 will be my next phone for video
I’m going to have to try it brother. Thanks
Apple does all this to reduce as much noise texture as possible which ends up killing the fine grain in shadows but for apple they do it because then the hardware ProRes encoder has less work to do which will end up saving some battery power.
They are barely making use of ProRes powers and treating it like some HEVC footage where data rates are crucial.
I would also like to add an additional comment. I opened the Blackmagic Camera App and noticed that... It seems they've fixed many things over these past four months. Could you please tell me what changes have occurred and what is the current state of the Blackmagic Camera App now? Which parts of this video remain relevant, and which are no longer applicable? Thank you.
These issues haven’t been addressed
Yeah I noticed this today too. I also overexposed a bit the other day and found bringing it down in Resolve was quite tough. Btw, not sure what your point is with the crushed blacks bit. Having crushed blacks and clipped highlights is not a bad thing and depends on context. Cullen Kelly’s philosophy of exposing photographically is a great way of thinking about exposure.
@@LuckeGabriel Hey! So we are discussing two different things here. I'm talking about crushed blacks and clipped highlights while filming, not grading an image. I completely agree with adjusting your highlights and shadows as needed during the grading process. However, this video focuses solely on filming in Apple Log and not on grading the image. When filming, you should be mindful of whether you are clipping out any information that way in post production you can make those decisions.
Your video certainly looks great!
Thanks! Hope it helped
Thanks for the tips and great video. Honestly this video should have more views.
Glad it was helpful! Making another video about all this as we speak.
Hi quick question, when I finish recording my film with apple log and all my LUTs and video changes, when I go to export the video and save it to my camera roll the video saved only shows the apple log and no LUT or changes, any way to save film with the LUTs? Thanks
Hey! You have cannot export your LOG video with the LUT from BMCA, but you can bake in the LUT while filming in BMCA. This means you can give your video the look your LUT has, BUT that look cannot be changed and won’t have a log video.
The third option is to have BMCA create proxy files with a baked in LUT. Your full res file will still be in LOG, but your proxies will have the LUT.
@@WRNFILM Thanks for the response, How would I create a proxy file with a baked in LUT? and then should I sent those 2 copies to my computer? or how to I end up getting the film to my phone
Could you please share your workflow in DaVinci Resolve? Do you perform color grading on the Mac's built-in display, or do you use a reference monitor? If so, calibrated to which gamma setting? Do you use the reference mode for the Apple monitor in the system display settings-perhaps a profile like HDTV Video without system gamma boosting? Also, in DaVinci Resolve, do you check the option "Use Mac Display Color Profiles for Viewers"? Which gamma setting do you use: 2.2, 2.4, or Scene? Do you use the Rec.709A output tag to ensure that the exported file matches the viewer and to avoid gamma shift?
How do you transform Apple Log into Rec.709?)
Your color grading is AMAZING!
I work off a Mac Studio with a calibrated LG C2 set to 2.2. So I do I complete 2.2 workflow, BUT I do export with a Rec709A tag. For some reason RUclips will crush your blacks if you tag 2.2 (I’ve had issues with this on other uploads)
Apple log to 709 for this video I used a node based ACES workflow.
Thank u for confirming what i suspected + I just shot a film using BM false colors outside at 55 Iso with two NDs in bright daylight + I pushed half into yellow - anything under was crushed
It is a baffling issue.
Oh god yes I have been struggling with this.
Thank you for doing the hard work. Can you elaborate on best practice for shooting log in H265 which is used by many documentary shooters?
Absolutely! For H265 I would recommend staying at the lowest ISO you can. Since H265 is already a very compressed codec macro blocking can occur in higher ISOs. I’d still recommend slightly ETTR-ing (maybe by a 1/2 stop) in any codec.
@@WRNFILMinteresting. I was gonna treat h265 just like ProResLT.
Thank you for your content! I'm following & sharing...
Awesome, thank you!
I thought I was going insane!!! I knew I was right!
you should do a video showing the tech pack would love to see how you work it
Sure thing
Just found your channel and am really enjoying it. I love how smaller RUclipsrs are doing content that's so much more interesting than just shilling products. But isn't the best ISO 1250 as Gerald Undone tested?
I appreciate that. With dynamic range: those test were done in black magic camera app 1.0 which only provided a very finicky ISO wheel making it hard to figure out what is native. Since then Blackmagic has reduced the ISO 1/3rd stops and placed 100, 200, 400, 1600, 3200 as quick select buttons. That’s why I’m going for 1600.
Whitepaper :)) i loled. What did you film the talking head version of this video? looks pretty cool
3:58 iPhone 15 in Apple Log
@@WRNFILM NAAAAAAIIISSSSSSSS how do you handle the file size :D
@@VictorReviewsGarage It's a pain! I'll media manage my projects once I'm done editing to save on space.
very confusing... if I resume :
- Blackmagic App
- in apple Log
- prores codec
we should under expose at 1250 / 1600 our false colors (between pink / Dark gray / green) ?
that it ?
and what about H265 codec same thing ?
Hey! If you are manually setting exposure while filming at 1250 / 1600iso you should OVER expose by around a 1/2 to 1 full stop assuming your highlights are safe. That way your shadow details don’t fall apart.
If using H265 I would advise against using 1250 / 1600iso. The compression will destroy your footage. You’ll get better results using lower ISOs in H265z
I would recommend never using the built in False Color in black magic camera app. It is broken while using Apple Log no matter what ISO you use.
What about shooting on ProRes422 LT and rec.2020- HDR
I don’t seem to get it right?
@AliazAfe What issue are you having?
I don’t colour grade my footage. I just shoot ProRes LT req.2020 hdr. Is it OKAY to shoot on 1600 iso?
Do I have to over expose by +1 like log?
@AliazAfe no, I would expose at the lowest ISO appropriate and expose normally. The exposure tips are mainly for Apple log and only for folks color grading their footage.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Where’s the cheat sheet please?
@@MePeterNicholls ko-fi.com/s/1fb428b4a9
idk why they havent fixed this ive been complaining about this its really not hard for blackmagic to fix
i thought the most dynamic range was at ISO 1250
Many of those test were done in blackmagic camera app 1.0 which only provided a very finicky ISO wheel making it hard to figure out what is native. Since then Blackmagic has reduced the ISO 1/3rd stops and placed 100, 200, 400, 1600, 3200 as quick select buttons. That’s why I’m going for 1600.