photographing stars with the iPhone 16 Pro. Is it worth the upgrade?
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- Опубликовано: 25 сен 2024
- The iPhone 16 Pro has been released and Apple says its better in low light. So in the low light test of the iPhone 16 Pro camera, we will see how it goes.
The iphone 16 Pro camera vs the iPhone 15 pro camera.
Join us in this low light camera test of the iPhone 16 pro.
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Awesome vid mate! Convinced me to upgrade from my 14 pro to a 16 pro max! Keen to see those edits 🤙
Ultra wide is getting an update in the future to fix it as it’s not really performing as it should on the computational side apparently.
There are a few things on this phone that are not performing well
@@ShayneMostyn My lease is up in March and I am hoping to get the 16 pro max.
What is your source on that? How do you know it is going to get fixed?
Been waiting for this one! 🙂
Always great to see your astra photos.
Suggestion: Can you label the images with what camera they were taken on?
Can you put timestamps in so we can skip straight to the comparison and conclusions?
Cheers
Cheers mate. I can do that for a comparison video soon
Thank you for this video! I have an S22 Ultra, and I LOVE it's camera! It blows me away the quality I can get. I'll be able to upgrade soon, and have been considering the iPhone 16 Pro Max. While I still haven't decided if I wanna go iPhone, or stay Samsung with the S25 when it comes out. This does help me think about it more!
Glad I stumbled upon your channel, just picked up the new 16 Pro Max and gave my 15 promax to my dad. I have subscribed and look forward to your future content and will try my hand at astrophotography as well!
Even tho they call it pro, i'm missing quite alot pro features in their camera app. I'm using Samsungs flagship galaxy phones every once in a while, this time right before the launch of the 16 series phones, so i could trade in my iphone 15 pro max beforehand to get the most value out of it. And one thing i've learned using the s24 ultra for about 4 weeks was that man, they've pulled the trigger on their camera. Literally everything I would expect from a pro camera was there. Manual ISO setting, balances, exposure times, raw, heck even a manually steppable focus. It's a shame apple's not moving any closer with being more pro on their pro phones. "Hey! Lets add an annoying new button!" instead of "Hey! Give them the Pro features they deserve!". And thats comming from me, an now iphone 16 pro max user. Greetings from Germany.
For general "daytime" photography, I've found third-party apps to almost duplicate close to what you can find on Android devices. Apple has not and supposedly will not allow developers to access the Night mode API(s). I half wish they would. Apps like Halide would easily become the app to use on iPhone, I don't think Apple would want that though.
Yours is the only review I trust the most. Keep up the amazing work
I’d like to see the edited versions of the 15 and 16..
Soon mate
I use the ProCam app and i can do bulb exposures with full control of focus and iso. My 13 pro gets better photos overall because of the apperature even on the ultrawide.
Hmm. I will have to test this. Ive never found an app that will do astro better than the camera app. I did test ProCam years ago. Maybe its worth another look
Duh, thanks for the video! I'm even more excited now to receive my new 16 Pro in the next couple of days!
the ultrawide is shooting 12mpx unless you turn on Pro RAW max …, also why not RAW on the main sensor too?
From what I’ve found so far, the thing will scale down to 12mp when it’s too dark, even with raw max
The iPhone 16 Pros will shoot 12MP ultra wide photos once the light level hits below a certain threshold. I think Apple knew the low light capabilities at full 48MP is just not good. They have confidence in the main sensor (1x) to allow 48MP full res in low light (without night mode) but not for the ultra wide (0.5x)
@@chrisak49the 48mp 0.5 has done nothing good for quality of the photos so many reviewers have said like no change it sucks
Been using a 12 Mini mostly for the last few years, but been fancying the 16 Pro. Until now I didn't know astrophotography with a phone was even a thing, one more reason to go for a new one.
If the 12 mini has night mode, you can already do it. Just better with later models.
Thanks
What MagSafe camera mount are you using?
Thats a Ulanzi one.
Interesting to see the progression! Thanks for this comparison. 👍
To be fair we all have gotten older too. 😅
Been here since I got my 14 pro. I always come to see how the new iPhone’s do with astrophotography since I upgrade every year😭
THank you for this video. I live where I see the aurora a heck of a lot, throughout the year, and so I’m always taking photos of the night sky. I have a rubbish redmi phone currently. The last iPhone I had was the iPhone 6… and the best phone I’ve ever had was a huawei. I’m seriously looking at my options now -vivo, s24, and 16 pro.
Great video Shayne as always, thank you.
Thanks for testing this out, Shayne!
Is there any specific reason why haven't you tested the Pixel 9 Pro XL this year? It has a nice, new ultra wide as well, and its astrophotography is strong as ever!
Excellent! When you finish editing, do you export the final pic or do you save as a copy?
copy, always a copy
Very nice comparison, thank you! Both Photos you took were 30 seconds. So why does the Metadata say 10 sec?? This has always confused me on the İphone 15 max pro.
10 seconds for ProRAW. It take 3x10s and stacks.
@@ShayneMostyn ah ok thanks!!
I was wondering if you could show a comparison of the 0.5x ultra wide night shots from the 15 pro vs 16 pro? I’ve just upgraded from an 11 pro, and was quite disappointed to hear various sources complaining that the 48mp ultra wide results in significantly worse low light performance than the 12mp ultra wide on 15 pro :/
E.g. in Fstopper’s review “Iphone 16 pro camera test (major flaws)” he was shocked at how bad the low light photos came out on 16 pro vs 15 pro and 14 pro.
It seems almost as bad as the 11 pro’s ultra wide was. One of the main reasons I was looking forward to the upgrade was to get a much better 0.5x camera, with better low light performance.
Thank you for reviewing this
Youre welcome
I had no idea the iPhone would do that on a tripod! Thanks for the info from across the pond.
Sweet as
Been waiting for this~
Cheers mate, thanks for watching :)
didn't use the wide angle of 16 pro max properly, it only takes 48 mp if u manually set it to pro max on top right otherwise it's just a crappy 12 mp camera on ultra wide.
No, wrong. At least you are wrong in night mode. With good lighting, you are 100% correct.
I love your video man. Always a good vibe and smile. Keep it up.
Cheers mate
I’m not sure with this but i saw a review that you need to tap on the RAW MAX to activate the 48mp for the ultra wide mode
The sensor size for the ultra wide seems to be no different than the 15 pro, just the change to the quad Bayer sensor. The sensor size difference between the main camera and the ultra wide is huge, 1/1.14" vs 1/2.6"
Big difference between W and UW sensor size. The UW from 15 to 16 looks the same with astro for sure.
The iPhone 15 Pros and 16 Pros both use a 1/1.28” main sensor actually. Rumors said 1/1.14” but it didn’t come true. So Apple has been using the same 1/1.28” main sensor since 14 Pro (3 years now). They’ve been using that same 1/2.55” ultrawide sensor since the 14 Pro (also 3 years now) unfortunately.
It’s also pretty sad from 11 Pro, 12 Pro, 13 Pro, 14 Pro we had sensor size increases all of those 4 years then suddenly Apple stopped giving new hardware the last 3 years
How does the 16 pro or pro max telephoto camera look when taking pictures of the moon and the Milky Way galaxy ?
Doesn’t turning on ProRaw Max format in the photos using the 1x zoom gives you the full 48mp while not having it on doesn’t give you the highest resolution?
Not for night mode
@@ShayneMostyn yeah sorry I wrote that and then heard you explain in the video hehe
Great video. I didn’t know I could put the phone on a tripod to do long exposures. Thank you!
Happy to help!
You might want to enable RAW Max setting as well, it should use the entire sensor and give you a more detailed photo
Raw max is enabled. It still pixel bins in night mode
Been watching u since the 12 Pro max days!
Thanks legend
u r the best man thank you for this video!!
You're welcome!
Hi Max. Have been able to get a clear pic of the Milky Way using the 15 pro max. Impressed a few when I mentioned it was done only on the phone. No computer involved. Only the phone camera. Not sure the 16 is needed...unless it can get a much much closer picture of say the moon or other planets.
No need to upgrade from 15PM
@@ShayneMostyn Thanks mate. Love your videos. Maybe one I'll make it to the outback and take some unforgettable moments. Cheers.
U cant take a good pic of other planets……. U need a telescope to get details mang….
@@SirMopy Thanks. I knew that. My comment was more tongue in cheek.
The 15PM works a treat in low light. It was able to take a clear photo of the Milky Way and grab a passing satellite with 30sec. Phone cameras have come a long way.
Does anyone know of a great iphone clip-on zoom lens that can reliably extends the shot to say 150-200mm+ and produces excellent quality results? I've tried one and it was terrible.
Might save lugging around an SLR and large lens, and mono/tripod.
I was hoping for this video & here it is!, if I had the money I would as well but the 15 Pro Max has been decent in a backyard setting.
Very interesting. It blows me away with what can be done with a phone camera. It seems to be the main feature of top level phones currently.
They are getting better all the time
Thanks for the video! Was the ultra wide shot in RAW mode? It looked like it may have been turned off. Got some nice moonlit mountain scenes with my 14 pro, but may want to upgrade if both main and ultra wide lenses are better in low light.
Even in RAW mode, anytime an iPhone uses night mode, it pixel bins down to 12MP anyway. Honestly, your iPhone 14 Pro has the same main sensor (1/1.28”) and same ultrawide sensor (1/2.55”) as the 16 Pro. It’s not really worth upgrading. I noticed the 16 Pro ultrawide is actually softer and less bright vs my 15 Pro.
@@chrisak49 From the previous video comparing the iPhone 15 Pro versus the 14 Pro it looked like the stars and galactic core were much sharper. I’m not sure what sort of software created this if the lenses are identical, but something made it better?
Just processing power I think
I downloaded a long shutter speed app and I can use bulb made to let it run indefinitely. I use the app on my Apple Watch so as not to poke the phone and muck up the photo.
The sensor specs are identical save for a faster interface, so I think as you said, it has more to do with software. Also, I do notice the 16 was slightly darker, perhaps the reason why there was more color in the stars and slightly less noise? It might have stacked differently too. Remember, the iPhone even in RAW, doesn't take a single snap from the sensor.
100% correct mate
I’ve got an iPhone X…I wnat to upgrade but haven’t yet😂 couldn’t find a 512gb at the store before my trip. Do you think the added storage is worth it or should I be okay with 256
Even a 256 GB phone is a huge amount of storage. My 512GB 15PM reports 22 HOURS of video storage when shooting H.265.
Use red magic camera it’s free and allows al the pro changes
Ru planning on testing 9 pro?
I wasnt going to. I tend to skip a generation or two of Pixels.
I just upgraded from the 14, and I’m eager to get shooting!
Nice mate
Pixel size doesn't really affect total light gathered... it's the total surface area of the whole sensor that's important.
(think of lots of little buckets catching the same amount of water as one big bucket - the whole read noise thing is almost irrelevant on modern BSI sensors)
That is literally what I said in this video.
Hello friend, what do you recommend as a magnetic holder? Thank you!
wheres the pixel 9 pro xl dude
Thank - I upgraded from 12. Looking forward to more 16 pro max stuff.
Big difference. Enjoy!
@@ShayneMostyn can’t wait to try. I’d love to see an iPhone 16 moon shot video. The moon is so hard to photograph.
my only issue when I had the 15 pro max was newtons rings in some of my night photos >15sec exposure time.
Yeah its bizarre. Ive seen that a few times in the FB group
According to camera settings you can only shoot 12MP with night mode. In order to shoot 48MP it needs to be a standard image with enough light at .5x or 1x
No 48mp in night mode.
Gday mate, what brand magsafe mount are you using?
its a Ulanzi one
Are the cameras on the 15/16 pro and pro max the same?
I’m still on a 12 pro max that I got way back for the sole reason that its camera was better for Astro than the 12 pro.
Yes, the UW is now capable of 48mp on the 16. Other than that, the same
I've had both a 15 and now a 16. A 15 will give you 90% of what the 16 will do photo-wise. AI-wise the jury's out. The AI stuff hasn't been implemented yet. Up to you whether you want to future proof your phone by investing in the newer one. Apple gave me about $600USD as a trade in on my 15, so you can estimate the 15's savings from that.
In settings you have to turn on HEIC max and turn it on in the top right where yours says RAW max before taking the photo to unlock 48 MP shooting. That allows you to not shoot raw and not have to post process but get a 42 MP useable image straight from pressing the shutter. Otherwise it will be potato quality especially at night.
Thats not right mate. ProRAW max and HEIF Max both will pixel bin down to 12MP in night mode.
@@ShayneMostyn it is correct. I do car photography and shoot in HEIF Max and it outputs 48 MP files and when you swipe up in the photos app it shows 48 MP resolution. It even mentions this in the settings app under Camera>Formats. So it does not pixel dump. I just verified this on iOS 18.1 beta 4. The most current.
@@RyanMonoxide Night Mode is the important part. In good lighting youre absolutely correct. Its the night that pixel bins.
Is this tested with iOS 17 or 18?
18 mate. The phone launches with 18
In my dreams! Haha. Haven't seen any stars for a couple of years!!!
HAHA I know right!
I called this! I told Dale recently that I don't expect the UW to be any good in its current iteration and will only be tailor suited for Macro - however I still think that since a lot of the phone’s today are Astro competent only due to their computational intelligence, The Pro 16 is still incomplete as its still yet to reach its full potential due to the pending Software update.
Personally I feel the in its final form 😅the UW cam would be best suited to taking foreground shots and use the Main camera for the sky and then combine the 2 for an even epic shot 😉
If Pixel can do it, other should be able to ;)
@@ShayneMostynindeed but considering how they progressed with the 11 ( this UW) being on par as that model Main camera I assume they will only give us epic ultrawide 5 years down the line in other words - “hey the new iPhone is slightly better than the older one by little” string of youtube videos 😂 please don't lose your voice repeating yourself!
Great stuff! How do you get the 30 seconds though? I’m only getting 10?
Put phone on a tripod it automatically knows and switches
has to be on a tripod; has to be raw ; then hit the little V in the center and it should do it; it is a little finicky
@@jacobgerritsenfilms3559 doesn’t need to be raw, Apple magic works in all modes it would seem.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Got a like cause of the A's hat !!
Woohoo
thanks, please also show us Moon shots if possible
Will do
you can remote shutter with you apple watch. even more stable.
Certainly can. But honestly, it makes zero difference to phone photography. There is always a delay and the computational elements negates any slight bump from touching the button. Ive tested it heaps over the years. The watch is great to help compose the shot when the phone is hard to see though
Please @Apple Watch this and take notes 🙏🏼 I feel/hope this ultra-wide issue can be resolved by a new firmware update.
It probably will be resolved with software, like most things.
Did the ultra wide give you 48 megapixel image or 12 megapixel image? If it gave you 48, you might be able to force it to 12 by changing the camera settings.
The 48MP ultrawide can give you 48 megapixel images in HEIF Max or ProRAW modes only in good light. After the light drops to a certain threshold (in my testing indoors medium low light) it defaults to binning down to 12 megapixel shots.
@@chrisak49great to know. Thank you!
Wilk You test Pixel 9 pro/xl ?
No, I will skip it. There has been little difference in Pixels astro since the pixel 4. Its so impressive and always has been. I tend to skip a model or two.
Where did you buy the magnetic mount?
Ulanzi
S24 ULTRA PLEASE
I had no idea an iPhone could even take a picture like this 😳 I’ve got an 11 pro max. Should I upgrade? All I really care about is the camera and storage. Min is the 512, but I’d like to have a full tb.
Huge upgrade from the 11 mate
@@ShayneMostyn well, looks like I’ll have to go ahead and get one! Thanks for the video!
I really am shocked to see that poor ultra wide photo compared to last year pixel pro 8 ultra wide. Something is definitely off either was taken in 12 mp mode or is a software issue. If these are not the case than this new ultra wide is really bad compared to the pixel one
Yes it does pixel bin down to 12mp. But so does the main sensor. Pixel is a different system all together.
5:16 me too if you see other asteo photos with big cameras or astro mod cams you will find the near to same colour results.
Yes I agree mate
I'm not a Samsung fan
but between the Pixel and the iPhone
Samsung is lagging behind
besides they updated Expert Raw and it's still crap at 50Mpix and a bit more drinkable at 24Mipx.....
Thanks for your video
Cheers mate. Dont say that to a Samsung user!
@@ShayneMostyn I know, we've been talking about this for a while, especially since the fake RAWs
🔥🔥🔥
我一直在等这个视频发布.....银河的细节16pro比15pro要好一些，但是和拥有1英寸传感器的安卓手机相比还是要差一些，总之，非常感谢！
Watch MrWhosetheBoss camera comparison and you’ll see that the iPhone 16 Pro Max is better than the Ultra 24
@@camerondart1150 yeah but an s24u doesn't have an inch sensor, the guy is saying about Chinese phones
@@Waytoriousyes phones with bigger cameras
这些手机的摄像头很小，原因有很多。更大的相机意味着更大的传感器，这意味着它们可以在更短的时间内获得更多的光线，这对于此类事情是有好处的。与 iPhone 的小型传感器相比，那些较大的传感器不需要实现其最大功能，这意味着成本更低。 但这并不是免费的。iPhone 的转售价值最高。时至今日，第二代 iPhone 6,7 仍有巨大的市场，它们非常可靠。所以我不认为他们会在背面安装巨大的相机
@@Waytorious Cheers haha. Misread due to translation haha
This is because of thin layers of clouds present in sky. Star looks bigger and pop their colour.
There may have been a slight layer. But the difference is still there between 15 and 16
Um, with all due respect, as an Aussie to an Aussie Macca's has chicken too. 🤪
Huh? Lost me mate
PRO iphone which does not have any PRO mode for its cameras, I hate it, especially for macro where it can not focus properly.
I tend to agree to a point. There are plenty of apps that will let you do it though
@@ShayneMostyn very bad excuse for Apple. Default camera app especially in PRO models should have manual mode as well. It is like iPADs were missing calculator and weather app for a long time. It is just silly.
The Ultrawide: how disappointing! Hopefully that wasn't representative of what it can do. It was the UW improvement that convinced me to upgrade.
Still got your Postie Bike? Envious, me!
Yep, still got it. Always will have it
@@ShayneMostyn Awesome little bike. I'm in Western Canada and even here, we've heard of the Postie Bike Challenge. :)
After few years I've moved from iPhone to Pixel 9 Pro xl. Quality of images in astro mode in Pixel is insane, it was the best choice for me. Bye bye apple 😅
Pixel is the king of astro mate
Click some pics with objects like cars and tractors
Soon mate, I had to rush this video with the cloud coming in. I will have some clear nights soon.
@ShayneMostyn ok, that's a really big problem for astrophotography
Was not expecting 16 Pro to do so poorly with Ultrawide, while even Pixel 8 Pro absolutely slays with Ultrawide, wonder if Pixel 9 Pro got any better.
Me either. Pixel is different. The computational astro on Pixel is unbeatable at this point.
I noticed the same issue with the new 16 Pro 48MP ultra wide. In good light it’s no better (maybe even slightly softer) and in low light, the old 15 Pro 12MP ultra wide was brighter and less softening going on. I think Apple made a huge mistake not giving it a bigger sensor to accommodate 48MP. It’s still a 1/2.55” sensor
i could be wrong but i’m pretty sure you have to click raw max in the top right corner to get the 48mp
@@oof_ee Never with night mode though. Always will be 12 due to pixel binning
@@ShayneMostyncan you make a short video explaining/trying 48mp mode?
Pixel 9 pro.👀 .
Missed
what happened ?
didnt do it mate. There has been little difference in Pixels astro since the pixel 4. Its so impressive and always has been. I tend to skip a model or two.
Somehow you look younger with the bigger beard
HAHA legend!
if you do this kind of photography just use a basic DSLR
Plenty of people start with phones. Then move on if the astro bug bites.
The 16 looks smeared all around the edges
Think it may have been some cloud. The weather looks better later in the week. I will be giving it another go
thx for that, sooo its time to upgrade my 13 pro 🤣 expensive Video.
HAHA sorry :)
wtf why its so bad w 30 secs like u cant shoot so long need 15 or less to keep them static and even w that looks terrible
They shoot 3 x 10 sec and stack them.
no Samsung ok we can ago
but no pixel !!!
😏
You’d get much better astro results with a dedicated real full frame camera. I can’t imagine someone would decide to upgrade the phone for the single astro shot they’d do with their phone.
First time here huh? Of course you get better results.
Yes, but no one gets better Astro photos with just their phone. Check out the rest of the videos.
Wish you still dod google pixel astro. Sorry I wont watch iphone. 🤮😢
Than why comment? The iPhone takes just as good if not better..
@@P1sharkyDefinitely not better 😉
This was an iPhone video. That’s like you visiting a KFC and saying you wished it was McDonald’s because you don’t like chicken.
9:42 Is this picture on the left from 15?
It seems to me that this photo is much sharper, it has more details and you can't see such a digital transition between colors.
If so, 16 is nonsense.
The wide-angled lens generates much less details in 16 I have already noticed it, with photos during the day.
Thank you for making such a comparison because such a thing for many people is worth more than all these reviews based on marketing👍
Correct mate. Clouds may have played a part. Im expecting clear sky in the next day or two.
Thank you for sharing. Going to Big Bend National park and planning on capturing some Milky Way shots with my 16 pro.
Thank you, an excellent review! “little incremental differences” seem Apple’s specialty now. Is there really a 48 mp sensor in the 16 Pro, and did you pre-order yours? We have to wait another 40 days, maybe more-and prices are not trivial (especially given those increments).
I learn so much from you, thanks so much for your time and your talent 👍🏻
I had no idea phones could take astro shots. Today I learned about the 30 second shutter speed when using a tripod. Thank you for this video. I have the 16 Pro Max and I’m looking forward to taking astro photos!
The sad part for me is, Google Pixels have for the last two generations at least been able to capture astrophotography with the ultra wide on their phones. If Apple does improve this mid-cycle, I'll be further impressed.
Frankly the smart money is wait another generation of iPhone Pro models and see what happens. (Granted you can say that any year since iPhone 11 Pro.)
On a similar note, I can tell which one was taken on the 15 Pro. And frankly, just from this video, I think I prefer it over the 16 Pro. At least for now, until you edit it.
Any recommendations on a good iPhone tripod?
This is fake shutter speed. It stacks 3.3s (10s on later iphones) photos together. You will get true 30s shutter on android phones.
Correct. I’ve spoken about this many times. However, only some androids in some modes will give you true 30 seconds. Each phone is different
I’m assuming due to light pollution I’m just not picking up as many stars as I’d like. Will need to go farther out of town to try again! Please let me know!
Almost certainly light pollutions search my channel for planning Astro shots. It will help you find a location
Awesome shots. can you please share the location (drop a pin on the map) where you took this photo, I want to compare it with potential light-free locations and see if they are dark enough
Thanks
I wont, because it was in front of my house ;) but its a Bortle 2 location. No light pollution.