Just want to thank you all for incredibly helpful content. It was a video short that was a light bulb moment for better trail wrist angle at the top that helped increase my clubhead speed, compression, and club face control through impact. Helped me get my first eagle on a par 5 the other day. Second shot put me in position for 80 yard SW up the steep hill to the green, holed it! Thought my buddies were messing with me when I got to green and looking for my ball. Thanks a ton fellas!
Great stuff. Love the in-depth discussion. It would be helpful when talking about the wrist flexion/extension release pattern to show impact (P7) from a face-on view. Is there shaft lean at impact? Hopefully yes? If the release pattern is left hand extension (right hand player) through impact which results in the club head passing the hands, then there's a "scooping" action which has its own set of issues - club head bottoming out before impact, club face pointing left at impact, poor compression, etc? It would be helpful to show how you avoid these issues. In your construct, I believe the answer is the sternum pointing forward of the ball through the downswing rotation which moves the bottom of the swing forward of the ball but it would be helpful to show this and reinforce it? All great players have varying degrees of shaft lean at impact depending upon the club? Keep up the great work. Loved the show with Mark Immelman!
Right on! And yes, we are looking to improve that aspect of our videos by showing multiple different angles. We’ve done it in a few of our recent vids. But we will continue to look to make these better for viewers’ educational experience 🙏 and thank you for the kind words in regard to Mark. Was definitely a wonderful show and great to meet him!
I used to play with what was called a stable release, but without what I will call the slap that you demonstrate. I just flattened my left wrist and rotated my chest while firing my right shoulder complex and right elbow. After a while I was able to time every thing up and hit the ball pretty much straight. The Driver I just added some weight to the heal which helped me to hit a push draw. I stopped playing about ten years ago to play tennis. Gave up tennis to play golf again about a year ago and now that I am 81, I am shorter. I was shown a roll release which got me longer, but with the inconsistency that you talked about. Looks like you have given me the best of both worlds I have been looking for. Now I just have to substitute the current roll with the slap you are showing. I could not be happier to find this video. I will incorporate the slap you have shown me and hopefully I can find the timing to be consistent with the distance. In time I will report back and let you know how I am doing. I texted you guys to see how your lessons work. Hope to hear back soon. TY.
Absolutely wonderful!!! And yes, can absolutely organize the release in a number of different ways! Very excited to get rocking with you soon, Ron! Glad the video helped 🙏🙏🙏
One of the best videos I have seen on face stability and rotational golf swing. I was hoping to hear more on when you release flexion in your trail wrist during or after contact or depends on shot? . This is where I have difficulty with this type of swing. But again enjoyed your video!
You’re the man! There’s a bit here at the end about different releases for different clubs/shots, but we will definitely touch on this more going forward
You guys are putting out some of the best content right now, it's really helping to fundamentally understand the golf swing on a deeper level. It would be really interesting to see the mental side of practice (thoughts after a bad shot or a good shot, how to get the highest return on your reps, how to think about making corrections on the range, how are you focusing on hitting the best possible shots, what are you thinking about in between shots, how to go from range to course, mentally what you do when the range to the course doesn't work out as planned haha this would be my most watched section of the video). I'd also be really interested to see a lesson where one of you is the coach and the other is the student. From the students perspective it would be helpful to break down what they are thinking as they are being coached, it would be cool to see the thought process of how to implement changes, key take aways from the lesson as it's happening, mistakes average golfers are making during a lesson as it relates to learning the new skill, things that a good golfer is focused on during the lesson. I'm really fascinated by the mental side of the game because I think there is a great potential for high value .
@16:10 "all the while leaving that club on the right side of your body" --- good stuff! What's not said tho is the amount of chippie little shots it will take to get that into my real swing! LOL... Love it, thanks so much for this.
ELITE GOLF,,,,,,,, People should understand that its all in the NAME! YOU GUYS ARE TEACHING TO AN ELITE STANDARD FACT...... KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK GENTS. OUTSIDE SHORT GAME, PEOPLE WOULD LOVE GUYS...KUDOS GENTS.
Great video this. Such good and useful information. I’ve been playing golf for years ( not so good) and now after watching and then practicing this technique, my dispersion is a lot more accurate. Club face stability is something that I’ve been trying to master for years and this system is so simple to follow. Well done chaps. 👍🏻
You guys do a great job of talking about the complexities of the physical movements in the golf swing, but you’re able to reduce it to be easy to apply.
Worthy of regular review, really helpful- You often mention Victor Hovland who exhibits much of your” preferred approach”. He has his hands more out away at address than hanging directly “under”. Is this a height, build or preference - distance from ball at address?
Quite an enlightening video on the correlation between wrist motion and club face rotation! Good to see you increasing your youtube presence on top of your IG reels. Keep it coming!!!
Guys…content fantastic as always. Audio much better but quality seems to get degraded somehow perhaps by the size of that space, ceiling height etc. I’m sure you will keep working at it. One other video comment your position relative to the camera. I know you get this but the different angles really show important added precision to exactly where the body parts are at stages in the flow of the swing. Thanks!
Once more - Golden! The introduction part with the different kinds of wrist movements and what they do to the club face was a revelation. Seems obvious after the fact, but it really helped me further my understanding of the golf swing. I guess this ties in with a mental concept that coach Riley has been talking about before on Instagram - imagining the club shaft is filled with water and then emptying it of water in the down swing (from p5). Can't wait for next week's episode! And yes, the sound was great!
I always feel awkward in stance when I use my irons and this doesn't happen when I use the driver. Is there a video that talks about the stance , how far out the ball should be from the body ? Thanks . Your videos are awesome . I am slowly getting better.
Really liked the demonstration of rotating the chest and how you able to maintain side bend thru impact. Are their any other videos on your site that would further demo this move?
Absolutely brother! Most do! And we are getting close to launching our subscription model that will dive deep into all aspects of the game… more to come!!
You guys are truly inspiring, a breath of fresh air. Brilliant. One thing I’m struggling with is the drop, loosing height is confusing. When is the height regained?
So more videos on club face control, especially related to path and shot shape. Eg how do you control club face differently related to path to hit a fade vs a draw?
Just wanted to say thank you so much for making these videos. These have been the some of the best stuff I've seen. I've watched a lot of videos on RUclips, Instagram and Tik Tok, but none of them explained the golf swing like this. For me, being able to understand the why and how of your body made a real difference in how I approached the golf swing. Keep up the great work man!
This is one of the best golf videos I have seen on RUclips. Please keep dropping these knowledge bombs on us. I would love to see over the shoulder lessons with mid to high handicappers and how you are able to communicate some of these concepts to them :)
Thanks so much for the superb bio mechanical brilliance. Question: What changes for face stability and also sequencing in the case of a super strong left (lead) grip (Fred Couples) AND a palm-parallel right hand grip (both Vs at or right of right shoulder)?
You guys are great!!! Two questions ... 1. Can you explain what the head is doing during impact and after? Is it moving with the rib cage rotation or does it remain where it was at address. As a guy who tends to flip due to the body rotation stalling through impact it is difficult for me to keep turning without moving the head in the direction of travel. 2. Second question: how can I shut down/ deloft the face without closing the face and hitting it left? Any tips?
This was game changing for me. I’m a +2 but incredibly streaky. Was about to give up trying as I was getting far too streaky. The extension/flexion of the trail hand change everything. ❤
Thx alot .. ive been slicing a long time, and I am sick of it. I now feel like im slamming the clubhead into the ground on my right side as l turn.. this has helped alot .. simetimes i feel that the clubhead gets unstable when I get to my 4i. I still have a slight fade but my smash factor is 1.36 7i and 1.42 ish with my 3 wood. Im afraid that im not using my body enough and too much hands to realese the club. The more i fade/slice the more i try to roll the hands... I will try these drills... but should l not swing the clubhead at the ground? I feel this gives me my speed.. Cheers Thomas
Absolutely Marvelous content. I am incorporating these ideas in my swing, but I'm still a little fuzzy on what exactly the wrists are doing at impact. I have always understood that a curtain amount of 'release', or 'breaking of the wrists is necessary in order to get that 'snap' at the bottom thereby generating the clubhead speed necessary for maximum distance. It's like snaping a towel, when the 'snap' is heard you know that for that fraction of a second, the end of the towel is moving extremely fast... Thoughts? Or.. is the snap really necessary with this method?
Good job boys! Homey in the back literally took a pill! Was it sexy time or did he get a migraine? Serious question… how do you advise getting control of the right elbow extending and face flashing?
Great videos! Had a breakthrough practice after watching your ribcage video! question: do the hands work exactly the same way with the Driver and Fairway woods? Also do you give in person lessons in the Phoenix/Mesa area? Thx
Thanks for this video. I believe my chest stalls allowing my arms to come in to play. Am not sure how to keep the chest rotation moving. Any thoughts? Thanks In advance.
OK, so there is a combination of RD & rear hand extension in the backswing, and you release that hinge as you swing through, turning into UD & rear hand flexion = stable face release pattern. Is there no rear arm supination in the backswing at all? I recall another video where you say to do kind of a circle move that includes rear arm supination after RD & extension in order to shallow the club as its was designed. Can you clarify?
We prefer to see extension and a small amount of pronation in the load phase. The unload would involve some supination if necessary and a passive flexion release through the strike and into finish. Because of that release at sol point (when the wrist moves into a neutral flexion/extension state) you’ll see UD.
Hey guys, love it all two things 1. Are you guys putting together instructional site? 2. A video on sequencing Woo - honey hole - rotation - Woo.... would be amazing.
Great Video. Do you think the release patter for the driver will be different from irons? What about the AofA for driver coz that cant be negative. IMO.
I have a request for a more advanced topic which would be building off of this video. Could you guys discuss “educated hands” and using the hands/wrists to shape shots?
@@elitegolfschools Thanks, would love to see your guy's thoughts on the basics, setup and so forth, especially regarding anterior tilt vs more neutral pelvis at setup.
You mentioned Hogan but because of the fascination of him is where supination and pronation started, everyone saw the pictures of him with the bowed left wrist, this has ruined generations of golfers trying to get that bowed left wrist and then rolling of the club face, which requires hitting hundreds of balls a day to time it perfectly. Which is what Hogan did, anything that requires that much effort to get it right tells you it’s too difficult to do. So why do it? Wrists going into flexion and extension is the way to go, it’s nothing new, Mike Austin promoted this way back also Mike Malaska, talks about this all the time and I see it more and more lately.
Would love to see a detailed explanation of a pitch and chip shot. It seems like every golf instructor teaches something different, would like to hear a more scientific explanation of the best match ups for a consistent short game.
Guys, How do you generate speed from a chest turn and don’t release your wrist ? I love your instructions.
They are releasing the wrist just with more of a slap move rather than a rolling over move
Just want to thank you all for incredibly helpful content. It was a video short that was a light bulb moment for better trail wrist angle at the top that helped increase my clubhead speed, compression, and club face control through impact. Helped me get my first eagle on a par 5 the other day. Second shot put me in position for 80 yard SW up the steep hill to the green, holed it! Thought my buddies were messing with me when I got to green and looking for my ball. Thanks a ton fellas!
Absolutely fantastic!!! So happy for you and please keep us posted. If we can help in any way we would love to!!
You guys are the best. We are waiting online lessons step by step from beginner to advanced level with practice exercises 🙏
These are coming soon 🙏
Great stuff. Love the in-depth discussion. It would be helpful when talking about the wrist flexion/extension release pattern to show impact (P7) from a face-on view. Is there shaft lean at impact? Hopefully yes? If the release pattern is left hand extension (right hand player) through impact which results in the club head passing the hands, then there's a "scooping" action which has its own set of issues - club head bottoming out before impact, club face pointing left at impact, poor compression, etc? It would be helpful to show how you avoid these issues. In your construct, I believe the answer is the sternum pointing forward of the ball through the downswing rotation which moves the bottom of the swing forward of the ball but it would be helpful to show this and reinforce it? All great players have varying degrees of shaft lean at impact depending upon the club? Keep up the great work. Loved the show with Mark Immelman!
Right on! And yes, we are looking to improve that aspect of our videos by showing multiple different angles. We’ve done it in a few of our recent vids. But we will continue to look to make these better for viewers’ educational experience 🙏 and thank you for the kind words in regard to Mark. Was definitely a wonderful show and great to meet him!
I used to play with what was called a stable release, but without what I will call the slap that you demonstrate. I just flattened my left wrist and rotated my chest while firing my right shoulder complex and right elbow. After a while I was able to time every thing up and hit the ball pretty much straight. The Driver I just added some weight to the heal which helped me to hit a push draw. I stopped playing about ten years ago to play tennis. Gave up tennis to play golf again about a year ago and now that I am 81, I am shorter. I was shown a roll release which got me longer, but with the inconsistency that you talked about. Looks like you have given me the best of both worlds I have been looking for. Now I just have to substitute the current roll with the slap you are showing. I could not be happier to find this video. I will incorporate the slap you have shown me and hopefully I can find the timing to be consistent with the distance. In time I will report back and let you know how I am doing. I texted you guys to see how your lessons work. Hope to hear back soon. TY.
Absolutely wonderful!!! And yes, can absolutely organize the release in a number of different ways! Very excited to get rocking with you soon, Ron! Glad the video helped 🙏🙏🙏
Great drill, to help with the feels of hitting a good golf ball.
🙏🙏
One of the best videos I have seen on face stability and rotational golf swing. I was hoping to hear more on when you release flexion in your trail wrist during or after contact or depends on shot? . This is where I have difficulty with this type of swing. But again enjoyed your video!
You’re the man! There’s a bit here at the end about different releases for different clubs/shots, but we will definitely touch on this more going forward
You guys are putting out some of the best content right now, it's really helping to fundamentally understand the golf swing on a deeper level. It would be really interesting to see the mental side of practice (thoughts after a bad shot or a good shot, how to get the highest return on your reps, how to think about making corrections on the range, how are you focusing on hitting the best possible shots, what are you thinking about in between shots, how to go from range to course, mentally what you do when the range to the course doesn't work out as planned haha this would be my most watched section of the video). I'd also be really interested to see a lesson where one of you is the coach and the other is the student. From the students perspective it would be helpful to break down what they are thinking as they are being coached, it would be cool to see the thought process of how to implement changes, key take aways from the lesson as it's happening, mistakes average golfers are making during a lesson as it relates to learning the new skill, things that a good golfer is focused on during the lesson. I'm really fascinated by the mental side of the game because I think there is a great potential for high value .
All great stuff!! Thanks so much for the detailed feedback!
It would be helpful to know which tour pros best illustrate your preferred patterns. Maybe a video analyzing your favorite swings.
We try to put these into our videos often. Thanks for the suggestion!
Mito, Neiman, Hovland
@16:10 "all the while leaving that club on the right side of your body" --- good stuff! What's not said tho is the amount of chippie little shots it will take to get that into my real swing! LOL... Love it, thanks so much for this.
You got that right bro!! Reps reps reps 🤝
As someone with serious lower back issues, and early extension problems this system is a game changer. 🤙
Let’s go 🔥
ELITE GOLF,,,,,,,, People should understand that its all in the NAME! YOU GUYS ARE TEACHING TO AN ELITE STANDARD FACT...... KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK GENTS. OUTSIDE SHORT GAME, PEOPLE WOULD LOVE GUYS...KUDOS GENTS.
Love these videos❤
You’re the best! So happy they’re helpful!
Incredible video guys. Would love to see a detailed breakdown of what you guys like to see in the backswing, starting from takeaway.
There will definitely be a video on that in the future 👍🏼
Great video this. Such good and useful information.
I’ve been playing golf for years ( not so good) and now after watching and then practicing this technique, my dispersion is a lot more accurate.
Club face stability is something that I’ve been trying to master for years and this system is so simple to follow. Well done chaps. 👍🏻
You guys do a great job of talking about the complexities of the physical movements in the golf swing, but you’re able to reduce it to be easy to apply.
Thank you! 🙏
Worthy of regular review, really helpful- You often mention Victor Hovland who exhibits much of your” preferred approach”. He has his hands more out away at address than hanging directly “under”. Is this a height, build or preference - distance from ball at address?
Quite an enlightening video on the correlation between wrist motion and club face rotation! Good to see you increasing your youtube presence on top of your IG reels. Keep it coming!!!
Glad you enjoyed man. We’ll keep em coming!
Guys…content fantastic as always. Audio much better but quality seems to get degraded somehow perhaps by the size of that space, ceiling height etc. I’m sure you will keep working at it. One other video comment your position relative to the camera. I know you get this but the different angles really show important added precision to exactly where the body parts are at stages in the flow of the swing. Thanks!
Once more - Golden! The introduction part with the different kinds of wrist movements and what they do to the club face was a revelation. Seems obvious after the fact, but it really helped me further my understanding of the golf swing. I guess this ties in with a mental concept that coach Riley has been talking about before on Instagram - imagining the club shaft is filled with water and then emptying it of water in the down swing (from p5).
Can't wait for next week's episode! And yes, the sound was great!
Great feedback! See you next week!
The last Drill with the two clubs Magic
💪🏼💪🏼
I always feel awkward in stance when I use my irons and this doesn't happen when I use the driver. Is there a video that talks about the stance , how far out the ball should be from the body ? Thanks . Your videos are awesome . I am slowly getting better.
Really liked the demonstration of rotating the chest and how you able to maintain side bend thru impact. Are their any other videos on your site that would further demo this move?
Absolutely brother! Most do! And we are getting close to launching our subscription model that will dive deep into all aspects of the game… more to come!!
You guys are truly inspiring, a breath of fresh air. Brilliant. One thing I’m struggling with is the drop, loosing height is confusing. When is the height regained?
So more videos on club face control, especially related to path and shot shape. Eg how do you control club face differently related to path to hit a fade vs a draw?
We’ve got a video on here titled draw vs fade just for you my brother!!
Just wanted to say thank you so much for making these videos. These have been the some of the best stuff I've seen. I've watched a lot of videos on RUclips, Instagram and Tik Tok, but none of them explained the golf swing like this. For me, being able to understand the why and how of your body made a real difference in how I approached the golf swing. Keep up the great work man!
Dude, I appreciate it! Thank you so much!
Love what both of you demonstrated. I have enjoyed watching your content in Thailand. Great explanation!!!!.
Glad you enjoy!
This is one of the best golf videos I have seen on RUclips. Please keep dropping these knowledge bombs on us.
I would love to see over the shoulder lessons with mid to high handicappers and how you are able to communicate some of these concepts to them :)
Definitely can do some of that in the future 🙏
Great lesson and tremendously better audio. Thanks fellows.
Thanks! Appreciate it
Thanks so much for the superb bio mechanical brilliance. Question: What changes for face stability and also sequencing in the case of a super strong left (lead) grip (Fred Couples) AND a palm-parallel right hand grip (both Vs at or right of right shoulder)?
You guys are great!!! Two questions ...
1. Can you explain what the head is doing during impact and after? Is it moving with the rib cage rotation or does it remain where it was at address. As a guy who tends to flip due to the body rotation stalling through impact it is difficult for me to keep turning without moving the head in the direction of travel.
2. Second question: how can I shut down/ deloft the face without closing the face and hitting it left? Any tips?
Again and again just awesome
You’ve been on the videos a lot today I see! Thank you 🙏
This was game changing for me. I’m a +2 but incredibly streaky. Was about to give up trying as I was getting far too streaky. The extension/flexion of the trail hand change everything. ❤
Awesome dude! Love to hear it!
Thx alot .. ive been slicing a long time, and I am sick of it. I now feel like im slamming the clubhead into the ground on my right side as l turn.. this has helped alot .. simetimes i feel that the clubhead gets unstable when I get to my 4i. I still have a slight fade but my smash factor is 1.36 7i and 1.42 ish with my 3 wood. Im afraid that im not using my body enough and too much hands to realese the club. The more i fade/slice the more i try to roll the hands...
I will try these drills... but should l not swing the clubhead at the ground? I feel this gives me my speed..
Cheers
Thomas
Absolutely Marvelous content. I am incorporating these ideas in my swing, but I'm still a little fuzzy on what exactly the wrists are doing at impact. I have always understood that a curtain amount of 'release', or 'breaking of the wrists is necessary in order to get that 'snap' at the bottom thereby generating the clubhead speed necessary for maximum distance. It's like snaping a towel, when the 'snap' is heard you know that for that fraction of a second, the end of the towel is moving extremely fast... Thoughts? Or.. is the snap really necessary with this method?
Definitely still an unload or snap but just at the appropriate time. Also, how the club is unloaded is important and at what time (sequencing)
Thanks for the reply!@@elitegolfschools
Swing the WEIGHT OF THE CLUB HEAD back and forth WITH THE TRAIL LITTLE FINGER. It is easy and it works! Cheers 👍⛳️😃🥂
Great video! Big fan of the sire! Loved your videos with Milo Lines and Henry Fall!
Thanks so much man!
Good job boys! Homey in the back literally took a pill! Was it sexy time or did he get a migraine?
Serious question… how do you advise getting control of the right elbow extending and face flashing?
Definitely sexy time. 🤣 it’s difficult to say exactly without seeing your pattern. The drills we described here certainly would help 👍🏼
Great videos! Had a breakthrough practice after watching your ribcage video! question: do the hands work exactly the same way with the Driver and Fairway woods?
Also do you give in person lessons in the Phoenix/Mesa area? Thx
Same concept with driver and woods, yes! Check out our website elitegolfofaz.com for session details in AZ
Thanks for this video. I believe my chest stalls allowing my arms to come in to play. Am not sure how to keep the chest rotation moving. Any thoughts? Thanks In advance.
OK, so there is a combination of RD & rear hand extension in the backswing, and you release that hinge as you swing through, turning into UD & rear hand flexion = stable face release pattern. Is there no rear arm supination in the backswing at all? I recall another video where you say to do kind of a circle move that includes rear arm supination after RD & extension in order to shallow the club as its was designed. Can you clarify?
We prefer to see extension and a small amount of pronation in the load phase. The unload would involve some supination if necessary and a passive flexion release through the strike and into finish. Because of that release at sol point (when the wrist moves into a neutral flexion/extension state) you’ll see UD.
So do you start to turn the ribs at p5?
Yep!
How do you know when to unload ? Like most am's, getting the grip in front of the ball before impact has always been a problem. Thanks
It’s all personal to the player. Most people will feel a late unload 🙏
Does the right arm include arm external rotation and forearm supination at impact ???
It can, and most probably will (to some degree). Not our favorite pattern, though
What causes the chest to rotate. Is it muscle or the spiral facia unloading its energy?
Spiral fascia unload baby 🌀
Hey guys, love it all two things
1. Are you guys putting together instructional site?
2. A video on sequencing Woo - honey hole - rotation - Woo.... would be amazing.
1. Comprehensive video series will be coming by the end of the year, available for purchase 👀
2. Got it!
Great Video. Do you think the release patter for the driver will be different from irons? What about the AofA for driver coz that cant be negative. IMO.
Release patterns are similar with driver, the biggest difference in where you feel the energy released. Earlier with driver, later with irons/wedges
Does that release pattern work for a stronger grip?
Stronger grip you’d probably be able to go a bit more RD - rather than wrist extension
This was a fun one. Let us know if you have any questions 🙏
No questions but thought this was a great video/discussion. Thank you for posting!
@@kellykostohryz2283thanks so much man!
I have a request for a more advanced topic which would be building off of this video. Could you guys discuss “educated hands” and using the hands/wrists to shape shots?
Thank you for getting the mics…. Way better…
Of course bro!
Lower body is responding to the chest motion right?
Correct!
@@elitegolfschools Thanks, would love to see your guy's thoughts on the basics, setup and so forth, especially regarding anterior tilt vs more neutral pelvis at setup.
@@bamgolf7090noted! Will definitely have a video on that sometime going forward 👍🏼
You mentioned Hogan but because of the fascination of him is where supination and pronation started, everyone saw the pictures of him with the bowed left wrist, this has ruined
generations of golfers trying to get that bowed left wrist and then rolling of the club face, which requires hitting hundreds of balls a day to time it perfectly. Which is what Hogan did, anything that requires that much effort to get it right tells you it’s too difficult to do. So why do it? Wrists going into flexion and extension is the way to go, it’s nothing new, Mike Austin promoted this way back also Mike Malaska, talks about this all the time and I see it more and more lately.
Would love to see a detailed explanation of a pitch and chip shot. It seems like every golf instructor teaches something different, would like to hear a more scientific explanation of the best match ups for a consistent short game.
Short game videos coming soon 👍🏼