He doesn't continue to spread the virus after his symptoms fade the same way a drunk person endangers people every time they get behind the wheel. Bad analogy.
You can tell that Thomas was genuinely trying to give them insight and a behind-the-scenes look without forcing them to think a certain way. He’s a smart guy and very well spoken.
@@cyntreciaholden7779 hes just telling the truth. i’d much rather have an honest doctor than someone who lies to me and says that everything is going to be ok. lying about covid is what got us into this mess in the first place
@@rocco6957 Doctors at the "White Coat Summit" were telling the truth also people only want to believe doom and gloom. I don't trust all doctors no matter what they say I must go by what is going on around me. There is no doom and gloom. I have been out everyday of this so called pandemic and I have core morbidities. I have been around co workers that have had covid bad. I will not stop going out because they got covid. What would happen if soldiers had that mentality, some soldiers die around you and you just give up. Not me.
@@cyntreciaholden7779 at this point you’re just embarrassing yourself. it’s disgusting how selfish you are. you have the same exact mentality as trump and all his brainwashed minions. it’s disgusting how you can’t just stay home and wear a mask when it’s literally saving lives. go check your morals and then get back to me on whether or not you think innocent people should have to die just because you don’t want to wear a piece of fabric over your nose and mouth 🙄
I really liked the mindset Percy. He just wants to know more about the vaccine and the virus. He listened the others respectfully and showed that he wasn't stuck in his opinions
@@N_toft Getting the vaccine? So injecting an unknown substance with unknown long term (and short-term) effects. Approved by a governmental agency that exaggerated infection rates, hide death rates, and assured you a mask would protect us (thought scientifically it's not plausible). Used testing methods that were incapable of accurate results (according to the testing methods creator) Promoted by those that endlessly advocate a need for population reduction. On second thought, nevermind there's nothing to be alarmed or curious about.
Nobody in his family died from covid when they didn't take any precautions, but he never thought that he could have gotten countless people sick that he doesn't know.
Don't u get it? Siaka is apparently on some godlike level compared to the rest of humanity to be a considerate human being. He complains about the pandemic but also doesn't wanna get the vaccine which will help it end sooner. He wants to eat his cake and have it too.
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This was a really interesting talk, but Jubilee should get pro-vax doctors and anti-vax doctors to debate. This seemed a very imbalanced set of debaters. Please do a pro and anti vax MDs episode, thankssss.
You miss the larger point here. This is not an issue of "process" = but one of substance. In other words what vaccine opponents claim to rationalize their misguided beliefs represents subjective twaddle and pseudoscientific gobbledygook. That means "who" makes the claim is not relevant as what is being said = falls outside the realm of legitimate science. So people who claim to represent the medical field when what they claim does not reflect legitimate medical guidance = are just so many more idiots spouting off. Don't get hung up on perception here. Focus on what matters = what is being said - or not being said. Who does the talking is not important when what is being said is subjective rationalization.
There are barely any anti-vax MDs, you can only find them online bubbles really. And most of them would refuse to come on this show because their employers/coworkers would chew them up for being unscientific.
@@Ancor3 actually MDs are the most vaccine hesitant group between them and bachelors degree holders and people who only have a high school diploma. Doctors know what’s in it and don’t want it
I don’t know how Thomas and Jacklyn were so calm throughout the whole video. Siaka and Erika were like “yeah people are dying, but not enough for me to care about anyone else.” Siaka really said “that’s it??” When he was told that 30% of cases develop long-term health problems. 🙄
I actually understand Erika's apprehension about the vaccine seeing as she's had adverse reactions with other vaccines. What I can't understand is how shut off about the whole conversation Siaka is. It's such a selfish mindset to say, "I got it and I felt alright, what's the big deal?" Or "I haven't changed my lifestyle and I'm doing great so everyone shouldn't panic" Honestly, some people need empathy.
Like Thomas stated a few times, they have witnessed the worst depth of human suffering over this last year. When you've been exposed to that on a daily basis, it has a sort of deadening effect. They were surely frustrated with the ignorance on display, but they also understand not everyone has been a witness to the severe reality that they have. They can only hope people like Siaka choose to come out of their ignorance and find the logic and empathy required to consider the wellbeing of others.
@Drea A if I recall correctly, if you have adverse reactions to vaccines you’re considered as one of the people being protected by heard immunity. We try to get the majority of the population vaccinated so that we can protect even those who can’t get vaccinated.
My point here is that she didn’t have to be anti-vaxx if that’s what her concern was. I just wanted to say that because I didn’t want to come off as trying to start an argument 😅
Probably to prove his point that you can do all the wrong things and go against the rules and you may still not get it. It’s like any illness, some people will get it despite being extremely healthy and some people won’t, despite not being their healthiest
@@kristenz2795 ok sorry yes I realize he got it but he was fine and many of his family members were also fine. I’m just trying to see his POV that you may or may not get it and depending on your immune system, you may or may not recover
I'm a student paediatric nurse and have had a father of a patient claim that he refuses to get a covid test for his daughter (who was attending A&E for the second time due to covid symptoms) because he doesn't believe the virus is real. He said this to multiple nurses and a doctor who have been caring for covid patients throughout this pandemic...
Doubtful since anti-vaxxers as a rule are ambivalent towards "science" - or even understanding for that matter......... If you objectively listen to their arguments it is all subjective argumentation premised usually upon ideology - and ignorance-based fear. Moral of the story: you can not reason with irrationality - and the leopard proverbially can not change its spots. Ergo there is little to indicate the irrationality of the anti-vaccine movement - industry really - has abated itself in any way. They are for the most part = "lost" having untethered themselves from reality. Having descended into the hole of paranoia and conspiracy theories few ever manage to climb back out........ 🤨
@@My_Name_Jeff.Any of them could be deceased. Many vaccinated people have died, I know someone who died from a blood clot likely caused by the vaccine. Get over yourself, jerk
Regardless, Tomas' perception of covid is heavily impacted by the fact that he is constantly around those who are affected. It is the same way that people who work in crisis centers for domestic violence or juvenile abuse tend to have an unhealthy view on families.
“they’re not telling us what the vaccine is made out of” when i got the pfizer vaccine, i received a packet that included the ingredients, common side effects, tips, etc.
@Freshly Squeezed love, i’m believing a piece of paper from highly educated professionals who are legally obligated to inform us of what we’re putting in our bodies over a random stranger on the internet.
What annoys me about asking about the ingredients is some people will see a big scary science word and just run with it claiming it’s bad. Or looks it up and doesn’t understand how it interacts with the body and other ingredients and also claims that it’s bad. Wait until they find out that some foods have citric ACID and claim it’s poisonous when it’s literally acid from citric fruits. I even remember someone freaking out about a Covid vaccine ingredient that ended up being salt or (sugar) or something. Wait until they find out about dihydrogen monoxide!!!! It’s the easy misinformation and lack of education that is so dangerous and damaging.
@Freshly Squeezed how else are they gonna get the information besides google? Is Jesus Christ gonna come down from heaven and carve it into the face of the earth? Literally all information is on the internet or pieces of paper😂 ever heard of a dictionary? Ever read religious text and followed that?
Siaka is using the flat earth strategy. "I haven't personally seen the earth from space so I don't know if it is indeed round." "I don't believe the astronauts"
I think he has more of a trust problem with the government than anything else and that unfortunately is driving all of his opinions. It’s really sad that his trust is broken, because it’s affecting how he sees the entire pandemic, and he can’t believe any of the facts...
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I was contemplating to cancel my Johnson vaccine on Mon then I see this, now I cant wait to get it. I almost drowned once and I know how it felt like dying like that, gasping for air.
Man. Thomas’s final words speaks volumes. You can hear the pain and loss of energy and him just hanging on to hope. It must’ve been hard hearing out the skeptics when they haven’t seen what you see every day working with actual patients that have caught the virus. I really, really hope we can all work together just a little harder so we can get over this pandemic. My god.
@Storm Designs yeah man, I’m sure the guy who’s taking care of COVID patients is just virtue signaling. He probably don’t have any idea how the virus can affect the body, and probably takes no precautions to protect himself.
30:24 Felt icky how he hugged the teacher right after she said she was gonna do elbows. Kinda illustrates what he's been saying throughout the video: he's gonna do what he wants and doesn't have much regard for the interests of others
@@flourishomotola5306 they have seen the consequences of the pandemic first hand, have encountered death unlike anyone, risk their own lives and their families’ lives (yes they choose to for the greater good) every time they go to work
@@flourishomotola5306 more than 3 million people have died from COVID, and their families are never gonna be able to see them again, people have lost their parents, their children, their best friend so although a lot of people do survive, a lot still die and even some of the survivors have long lasting health conditions
"Not changing my lifestyle/hugging and meetings" is not the same as not living in a state of panic. No one I know gave into hysteria and fear, but everyone agreed to do their part and respect social distancing. You can do both.
Just watching this today. Would love to see you guys do another one on this subject, especially with the advent of strokes, blood clots,and heart attacks in the younger people.
@@KillTheCupcakes are you trying to deny there is a relationship between these events and the vaccines? multiple vaccines were removed from market because of this.... quit being snarky
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@@livelaughloathe Me too. I'm staying home all the time to protect an immunocompromised family member. I can't attend school in-person even though that is an option for my district. It's astounding how some people have the privilege of ignoring the pandemic.
Absolutely not The elderly and the unhealthy should take Covid seriously and consider the vaccine. The rest of the population should be fine and take basic daily sanitary steps (as the should be anyway)
I think that the most shocking part is when SIaka answered with ''That's it?'' when the doctor said that 30%of patients have sever symptoms... this 30% is probably more than 200 thousand people. And even the mortality being 1,8%, on 300 millions people that percentage is too high. All I can see in Siaka and Erika is selfishness. They refuse to acknowledge the pain of the others and they stick to ''Not affecting me is not my problem.'' Just sad.
What’s worse is they’re not even smart enough to use that selfishness correctly. Me, I see 30 percent of people get severe symptoms, and I go, well that means there’s a thirty percent chance my life is potentially changed forever. They go, oh that’s a 70 percent chance I’ll be fine.
I applaud the nurse so much “surviving is different from thriving” such a powerful statement and so important to understand the difference between the two.
Guy with glasses and purple haired girl are extremely selfish. It was so cringe and gross. That girl literally had family that died from covid but is more concerned about herself getting a temporary skin condition than her family and other peoples lives. It's selfish people like them that will keep this virus going. Purple haired girl and glasses guy would be singing a different tune if it was themselves on life support not being able to breath and dying a slow painful deat.
@@FragranceEuphoria that is still their choice to make. Everyone agreed that not everybody should receive the vaccine. You have your right to autonomy. Make decisions based on what you feel is right for yourself and others. It is okay to be selfish the same way it is okay to care about people. Both sides are fine. I see myself on both sides with this disease but chose to get the vaccine because of selfishness and wanting my life back to normal.
@@FragranceEuphoria I disagree with your opinion on the girl. She had a valid concern about her allergies. We simply don't know how bad her hives are, and in some people they are accompanied with inflammation & can cause numerous issues. Without knowing the severity of her reactions, I feel like it's wrong to attack her. Vaccinations are not right for everyone; granted, she still should take ordinary precautions
it would be so cool to see these exact same people come back for the same conversation now that were coming up to 2 years of the virus being out.. (specifically the doctor) i’m genuinely curious to see if any of them have changed their opinion
the guy was like “my family got the virus and we are okay, so EVERYONE that gets will be okay and i do not believe that there is millions of people dying”
@@iheartjbgccb im a nurse practioner. If I go outside I have a small amount of people here trying to get tested to see if they even have it. So now you go to a hospital and tell me if its healthy people or a few old people who watch too much news.
@@oneeyeopen2094 um okay, you’re a nurse yet you ignore the fact that Covid can cause damages to heart vessels even in mild cases??? People can have long lasting side effects that they might not know about until later. Health is important.
@@xadielplasencia3674 Because a lot of times people equate well spoken to accurate or important or truthful. I want everyone to know that's not always the case.
I would love to see these same people have these conversations again now. So many healthcare workers have had enough. It’d be interesting to see if any of their views have changed
@@draedon_ it’s 100% an American culture I’m so blessed that I live in America, but I’m even more blessed that I’m Egyptian and that I don’t have horrible American mindset of “me and only me” American culture is not just bad, but can be scary
Same logic for people who deny vaccine injury as the people who deny cov. Neither denial is right - both vaxxes and cov include risks. One risk we know, the other risk is not yet calculable.
@@zantas-handle Of course it’s real. In fact, it’s about as common as being allergic to potatoes (yes, that’s a thing). I’m kinda curious as to why they aren’t questioning why potatoes are EVERYWHERE, and saying doctors recommending potatoes as a good way to get starch is misleading. Same population size, but such different viewpoints. Why is this? Edit: I mean an actual allergy to potatoes, not just a sensitivity. Same with the vaccines, but especially the potatoes.
The doctor quoting that pt saying “help me, help me, I can’t breathe” just broke me, reminded me of one of my favorite residents in the nursing home I was working at (2019-2021) and my resident literally said the same thing for 2 weeks before they passed… (CNA for 5+ years, nursing student)
uhm because he knows how to handle other peoples opinions instead of being and anger issue problematic argumentative individual like you might be... no need to praise someone for having decent respect for someone else’s opinion.
The facts given by the healthcare workers were facts, yes. But they aren't the only facts that exist. There are other facts, like how 98% of people have survived.
@@thatcheesysongwriter So if you had a 2% chance of dying each time you drove a car, would you consider driving a car safe? You'd die by the 50th time you drove. If you drove twice a day for a month, you wouldn't survive a month. And many of the people who survive have long-term symptoms, and we don't know how long they'll last. Two percent is a huge number. If you had 50 loved ones get COVID, that would mean that 1 of them would die. You're cool with that? There are countries where very few people have died because of the precautions that were taken. This many people don't have to die of COVID. We're killing ourselves because we believe that opinions are as good as facts. They're not. You can believe whatever you want, but your beliefs don't change reality.
@@John-tr5hn that’s not how probability works. The probability of an event happening for a discrete sample size is not equally distributed. Just because it’s 98% survival doesn’t mean 98% for every member of your sample. Some could be higher or lower. I get what you’re saying but things are no so simple.
So then you should take precautions for everything. When you think about the deaths to so many things, 30% isn’t a lot. Sure it’s still horrible. But millions of people are shot in a year. Do you wear a bullet proof vest everywhere? No. Not agreeing or disagreeing with him. But it’s not as ignorant as you think. Some people are very realistic to the point that it sounds crazy. But he is realistic. There are higher percentages for every day stuff and we don’t even think about those. It’s simply because Covid is blow up that we take 30% as a high number.
Guy with glasses and purple haired girl are extremely selfish. It was so cringe and gross. That girl literally had family that died from covid but is more concerned about herself getting a temporary skin condition than her family and other peoples lives. It's selfish people like them that will keep this virus going. Purple haired girl and glasses guy would be singing a different tune if it was themselves on life support not being able to breath and dying a slow painful deat.
@@julianaciannello728 sorry but I’d rather get hives if it means my parents live then not get hives and my parents die. Or anyone for that matter. She thinks only her life matters. Can’t relate to that. I’ll do anything and everything I can to prevent anyone from getting sick and dying. But I understand some people are narcissistic sociopaths like them.
@@samanthafreeman7532 There is no such thing as selflessness. You are being just as selfish as people who you perceive to be putting people’s lives at risk. We do what we WANT to do. You WANT to feel like you’re saving people from covid, so you stay inside. Some people WANT to feel like they’re freeing people by encouraging them to go outside, so they go outside. And just because you think a person doesn’t care about people getting sick doesn’t mean they actually don’t care; it’s just your perspective and assumption.
You like open minded skeptics because you think they’re easier to change their mind, so they seem more “okay” for you right? But if they’re confident in their side and won’t sway then they’re all of a sudden deemed “bad?” Also the virus is severe but notice how H1N1 killed more people and nobody wore masks. Notice how people could go out and protest which is obviously not socially distanced, but going to church or concerts was banned because of “Covid” which seems super hypocritical. As if the virus can distinguish between that and going to church or concerts.
@@picklejar462 this is because unlike the other skeptics who were going against literal facts, percy was simply uneducated bcus there has been a lot of misinformation and wanted clarification from doctors and such, unlike the other two who were directly going against proven medical research. Additionally, protests were banned and hundreds if not thousands of people were arrested for them, people just decided that they thought protesting was more worth it than the risk of getting COVID just like the church and concerts and such. I dont know why you separated the church/concerts from the protesters as from a legal standpoint they are being treated exactly the same.
@@picklejar462 I like how "icon" addressed your other statements so I'm just going to respond to something they didn't cover. According to the CDC, H1N1 had about 60 million cases and only 12,500 deaths in the United States so I have no idea why you are under the impression that H1N1 is more deadly, or even killed more people, than COVID-19.
@@picklejar462 well that was in the early 2000s so I guess they didn’t think of masks and most of the protesters wore masks and it was outdoors during the day so it was hot 👍
The fact that Siaka hugged Kelly even when she said she didn't want to be (and other things he said throughout the discussion) shows how little he cares about others well being!
tbh kinda annoyed with siaka cuz he's like "It didn't do anything to me so it's probably fine" and basically brags about going outside and partying. He was talking to Thomas and Jacklyn with a kind of a condescending attitude. My opinion though.
@@alicelee13 "I've been going to rallies and I don't think it's any big deal" Nurse: "We have body bags piling up because there's no more room in the morgue"
I can understand Erika and why she wouldn’t get the vaccine because of her past reactions, but the fact that she won’t do the BARE MINIMUM to protect others by wearing a mask is beyond me
Also, I don't think she determined definitively that it was a vaccine. She didn't mention ever corroborating her theory with actual medical confirmation. Other conditions (mental and physical) cause hives.
also because she said attributed her allergies to vaccines to they’re unsafe for everyone. like i’m allergic to penicillin medication that doesn’t mean other people shouldn’t take penicillin !!!
And the fact that she just generalized that she's allergic to ALL vaccines. And actually thinking that she's better off getting the immunity naturally. 😭 C'mon sis just say you don't care about other people and just wanna die and go
The doctor is paid opposition. They have to say certain things even if they disagree with it because they get financial incentives. When someone tells me they’re a doctor and they say wear a mask or get the vaccine I’ll tell them to kick rocks.
Siaka says he wants what's best for everyone but doesn't care about anyone but Siaka. This dude got covid and spread it through his family luckily nobody had any underlying health issues but I doubt it would've changed his prospective if he had lost someone he has no empathy.
I respect Thomas so much. He truly wanted to reach them and share his experiences of real people dying and being affected. Erika and Siaka didn’t even care, “it doesn’t affect me so i don’t care.”
If you explained that the mask isn't so you don't catch it, it's so you don't SPREAD it to someone else, well they'd understand but they still wouldn't care. The American Dream is all about being selfish and self-serving. Telling an American to consider other people is like telling them not to be an American.
Ikr she literally said that she doesnt wear a mask because she's not at the clubs...but I bet shes in the market or walmart. I'm with the doctor and nurse. I work with covid patients every shift and it's not pretty even to this day. Patient or visitor, she would not be able to step foot in the hospital without a mask. Our security gladly escorts anti maskers out.
and now some people are dying or getting hospitalized after taking the Johnson & Johnson vaccine... ironic. Tbh It's not just a complete wrong or right situation. All of these people are ignorant including the pro vaccine ppl.
@Rest in Pog I get where you are coming from, but it’s a lot easier for everyday people to stop the spread if covid and get a vaccine, then to stop child labor. Believe me I would do it myself if I could, but I have no power in the world to change countries.
I think it’d be interesting to see this redone now, or at least in a few more months bc of how much more information we have regarding the virus and the vaccine
@Lamar Troy giving a fuck about not getting a deadly virus and giving it to others isn’t being a sheep it’s having the critical thinking skills to understand why you need to give a fuck
I think her point was that she's choosing to not be afraid-despite evidence that she should be-because chronic fear is more dangerous. She's right in extreme cases, but missing the distinction that fear in moderation is a healthy thing (unlike COVID).
i think any rational person would fear something like this! i've had family die of cancer and i'm scared of it! i've had family die of heart disease and i'm scared of it! the thing about covid, none of my family has died from it but that could *so* easily change... and i'm rightfully scared of it, even though it's partially in my control.
More like, he reinforced your confirmation bias. This was a lopsided conversation, in typical jubilee fashion, they did not get people who are also medical professionals that disagree with the vaccine. Over 62% of health care workers refuse to get the vaccine. Why not get some of them to participate in this conversation?
"We had corpses lying bagged up in rooms because there was no room in the morgue." "Yeah, but like it wasn't bad for me, so whatever. So I just kept partying."
So this dude is like “everybody survived for me, so everything is fine, I actually went out MORE, I just hugged EVERYBODY I MET” bro THE PAIN OF THAT STATEMENT
You people confuse me. What y’all want is making people suffer more than covid, mental health problems are going up like crazy, jobs are being lost, people can’t even go to see there parents if they are sick. You people are very odd. Stop getting science from CNN
percy was definitely a breath of fresh air. it's nice to see someone not stuck in their opinions and genuinely show up to learn and keep an open-mind by drawing from others various experiences. also have lots of appreciation for thomas. he showed up with the facts and shared them in a way that wasn't demeaning to those who were skeptical.
siaka loves to talk about how he just can’t understand where “the other side” is coming from but when they tell him he just tries to make a counter argument every time like bruh
The irony of Siaka saying 'we can do this together' when he's been going out, not wearing a mask, and thinking Covid isn't a big deal because the people he knows didn't deal with the worst of it.
I feel like he's a genuine sociopath. He doesn't regard his actions and doesn't see the negative connection between those actions and their outcome. Very selfish and unaware.
@@emilieford3604 all he was doing was saying facts so i think you need to rewatch the video 🖤 and if you think having emotion and sympathy over people literally dying is wrong then you are the messed up one.
@@thinkvoiceact self explanatory. You have no understanding here. As an aside. If you want a "full proof" way to prevent infectious disease acquisition = dig a hole and climb in. So long as you interact among others then you risk exposure and subsequent infection depending upon multiple variables too lengthy to articulate here. Your "assumptions" are all wrong.
@@oceanman7868 yea that‘s what I said. 94% safe means that it‘s only effective on 94% of the vaccinated people. Which means that "only" 94% are protected XD
@@missjupiice6151 he said that only 94% effective in stopping the contraction of the virus while those who do still get it have a much lower risk of hospitalisation
I thought the same thing actually. It almost immediately disqualifies what any non health professional has to say. There are plenty of doctors, and nurses, etc that want this vaccine, and plenty that don't. That's the side by side I'd like to see.
Don't even 😭Do you have any idea how many times I've seen people spreading lies about how there's only a 0.3% chance of dying- no, not even, I've seen 0.005% from some people. Twitter is not a good place.
@@noelstar1456 Theres a 1.8% chance of death in the U.S. as of April 13, 2021 while places like Yemen have a 20% chance. 11 months ago the U.S. had a 7.5% of death so were cooling down quick for a global pandemic.
I don’t ever wanna hear Siaka’s voice again 🙄. The guy with the long hair and black shirt was the only person on the anti-vaccine side that I semi-understood.
Oddly enough, in the same way that Siaka's perception on covid is impacted by the fact that no one around him is suffering from from it; on the other hand, Thomas' perception of covid is also heavily impacted by the fact that he is constantly around those who are severely affected. It is easier for people to recognize the former but not the latter.
fuck him. were all tired of this pandemic and its been a yr now so most have been gone back to normal to some degree but this guy cant even wear a mask and social distance when necessary. i stay away from senior citizens and wear my mask when im inside somewhere. it sucks but its the least we can do. its also just common courtesy. things are going back to normal with some restrictions which is good news. so just wear your mask and stuff guys. things are getting better already
I would be SO SCARED to be sitting across from someone who said they were “going out more often” even if they were tested... especially as a doctor, nurse, or teacher.
They'll have both had patients who also didnt think it was a big deal, despite dying from it days later. They've seen it all. I doubt anything could shake them and that's why healthcare workers are a whole different breed of human. Hats off to them all
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Guy with glasses and purple haired girl are extremely selfish. It was so cringe and gross. That girl literally had family that died from covid but is more concerned about herself getting a temporary skin condition than her family and other peoples lives. It's selfish people like them that will keep this virus going. Purple haired girl and glasses guy would be singing a different tune if it was themselves on life support not being able to breath and dying a slow painful deat.
*Thanos voice* 🤣🤣 ...nah but if we can blame Siaka Let’s figure out who patient No.1 is and shame them publicly forever for brining it overseas in the first place. That’s the liberal logic 😭😭😭
Life is not without death. Expect it as the day and night ,walking behind you, watching you. Would you live your life in fear everyday or live? Vac is less then 2 years old. It’s , mRNA ,EUA and government is suppressing reactions and not being transparent enough for me.Majority of people don’t know all facts when you ask them.
@@ashanabigard4787 it is FDA approved stop it’s saying it not. Also, we do know about long term effects because the base of the vaccine is from the SARS vaccine which has been around for years and studied for years. SARS and Covid-19 are very similar so they were able to use a pre existing vaccine to create the COVID vaccine
@Billy McCatty Powell The vaccine does not alter DNA. Anyone with a basic understanding of biology would know that. mRNA vaccines cannot alter DNA. All that happens is that the mRNA enters into the cell and uses the cell parts to create a specific part of the virus known as the spike protein. Your body then goes through an immune response. Your body creates antibodies that can recognize and fight of COVID-19. The vaccine is totally incapable of altering DNA.
If masks keep people from getting infected then her not wearing one won't get anyone infected. And if the masks dont stop people from getting infected then there's no point in wearing it anyways.
@@alexussreni273 a mask isn't for keeping *you* from getting infected, it's for protecting others *from* you. Regular masks are more effective at filtering the air coming out of your mouth than filtering incoming air. No fault of the masks, it's just fluid dynamics
Yeah... I mean, props to him for having civil discourse. I also understand his skepticism when it comes to political narratives, but you can tell that he looked up his facts based on confirmation bias. If he had researched facts from those with opposing views, he might be able to make a more informed decision, even if it's the same one.
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@@LuckiestManAlive the reality is if you base your opinion on scientific fact and medecine without politics you'll end up agreeing with the doctors, so he's lying to us when he says he doesn't let politics dictate his behavior
@@waldo8040 That's true when you talk about the majority Doctors. But the problem is... There have been a lot of Doctors on record talking about the net benefits of a lockdown, and saying that we shouldn't do them at all. So to him, those are the scientific facts that aren't politically driven. He even mentions this point during the debate. That's what I mean when I talk about confirmation bias. It just sucks to see it take hold of so many people.
by siaka’s concern about the vaccine only working “94%” of the time, we might as well stop using condoms or birth control. because it could still cause pregnancy right, or break, etc, so just don’t use it?
@@trin1476 why can't you see things from all perspectives to find the truth? Instead you just find a slight similarity to support your own argument even though they're completely different. Child
And they will never address it either, they'll just ignore it and move on like much of everything they've been wrong about over the past dozen years. At best you'll have bot-schills or true believers still trying to argue that they weren't fooled or cajoled into taking the vax.
It’s interesting how that Siaka was trying to minimize the amount of people who died by saying “it’s barely 2%” and well he’s right but he’s being extremely selfish. He’s basically saying it’s okay to sacrifice a couple of people for his comfort, that’s privilege and selfishness. The general lack of empathy for those who died... just sad. :(
The 99% that he was referring earlier was also referring to healthy people under the age of 65. The vast majority of people that are stricken with the illness are elderly, obese, and/or with a comorbidity
and when the physician and nurse described how approximately 30% of people who had covid suffered long-term breathing problems after he said “thats it?” ewwww 16:07 btw
@@christiana5453 ikr, people like siaka is why covid deaths in the US is way worse compared to other countries. its no secret that a big part of Americans are bad in handling covid lololol
"evidence doesn't add up...in order to survive...the whole side of the story being told", wtf does this man think? the virus should get a lawyer? a trial, a jury?
@@johnmorrison7205 most people on the spectrum are actually incredibly intelligent. Being on the spectrum is not an insult. You’re statement is ableist.
@@RachEl-ub9ep Many on the spectrum also have difficulty understanding what others are trying to convey and sometimes take things literally, like in OP's case. What about my statements were disparaging against those with disabilities? That's a big problem with communicating via text is that intent behind the message can be misunderstood.
people seem to forget or simply not know that wearing a mask and staying indoors protects OTHERS as well as themselves. It’s very frustrating seeing people have a “it doesn’t affect me so I don’t care what happens to other people, I’m still going to be reckless, meet tons of people and not social distance” perspective
If wearing underwear over your butt doesn't protect you from smelling a fart, then what makes you think wearing underwear over your face will protect you from inhaling a virus, LOL?
I had cancer in 2018. I couldn't walk for 4 months. I have been inside due to illness since then. If I can do it, they can too. Yet all the bars here are full all day and night. The roads have more vehicles now than prepandemic. The mall is packed. I got my vaccine as soon as I could. Im going for my second shot next week. I'd like to go outside for a day without worrying about idiot's like them.
if you can breathe the virus can get in and out. About the same amount of people die from cold as covid, yet i did not see you wearing a mask then. PLEASE do research before u go spreading false information
A skeptic person usually questions many things, even his/her own beliefs, and takes a decision after checking multiple sources and trusting the evidence. Unfortunately, the term "skeptic" has been confused as merely "against mainstream narrative", and too many times attributed to deniers with rather dogmatic believes.
Siaka :“I go out hugging people of all ages for the last 6-7 month... and nothing 😄” Also Siaka 1 minute prior: “oh yeah I had COVID and I spread it to my roommate my daughter my mother and a couple of other people”
“Unless the vaccine works 100%..” No vaccine works 100%. For example, the flu vaccine doesn’t work 100%. It’s different every year to account for new strains, and the Covid Vaccine may or may not be the same.
Literally, almost no medical intervention is 100%. Those uterine implants that stop pregnancy by telling your body you’re already pregnant are only 99.2-99.8% effective depending on type. If you’re holding out for 100, it will never happen
@@RCFlyer85 I meant that the Covid virus mutates into new variants, which may be similar to the different strains of the influenza virus; however, all Covid cases are caused by one virus- SARS-COV-2- so my original statement is incorrect. We should not treat it like the Flu because the general population has immunity to the flu now because it’s been around for more than a century, and we have also been through the flu pandemic. The COVID-19 virus is new, and the fatality rate is a lot higher than that of the flu.
@@RCFlyer85 My only point is that 100% is never going to happen. People still use contraception and blood pressure medications even with some risk that they could fail. This is because it MASSIVELY reduces risk. “But it’s not 100% effective” is a terribly ignorant argument, but that doesn’t mean that there’s no purpose to the treatment/preventions, just that we’re honest that it can OCCASIONALLY fail.
@@RCFlyer85 Wearing your seatbelt doesn’t 100% prevent you from dying in a car accident, but I don’t hear you arguing that you shouldn’t wear one because “it’s not 100% effective.”
Being vegan won't prevent her from getting covid but it will protect her from suffering as a result of covid. Meat eaters end up developing a lot of underlying health conditions such as heart disease from high cholesterol in meat etc which vegans are more protected against and therefore those underlying health conditions which a lot of meat eaters do end up developing later in life as a result of their meat consumption are going to make it harder for your body to fight off covid.
@@emruss7408 I'm pretty sure that you won't necessarily suffer from heart diseases if you eat meat in moderate amounts while vegans who eat a lot of junk food (like myself lol) can.
@@shardsoficeNo, it’s not huge. It was almost all older people and people with co-morbidities. If you take them out, almost no one died, and many people were forced against their will to get the vaccine. The revisionist history won’t fool anyone.
“I’ve driven home drunk countless times and I haven’t gotten in an accident once so I don’t see what the big deal is.”
That’s how that guy sounds.
Except the side effects are worse and more likely to occur than the actual covid symptoms lmao
PERIODDD
@@KeKcP I'll believe that when I see 500,000 dead from the vaccines.
@@Raja1938 mic drop 🎤
He doesn't continue to spread the virus after his symptoms fade the same way a drunk person endangers people every time they get behind the wheel. Bad analogy.
You can tell that Thomas was genuinely trying to give them insight and a behind-the-scenes look without forcing them to think a certain way. He’s a smart guy and very well spoken.
Everybody wants to listen to Thomas doom and gloom but not to doctors that say that things are way more optimistic.
@@cyntreciaholden7779 hes just telling the truth. i’d much rather have an honest doctor than someone who lies to me and says that everything is going to be ok. lying about covid is what got us into this mess in the first place
@@rocco6957 Doctors at the "White Coat Summit" were telling the truth also people only want to believe doom and gloom. I don't trust all doctors no matter what they say I must go by what is going on around me. There is no doom and gloom. I have been out everyday of this so called pandemic and I have core morbidities. I have been around co workers that have had covid bad. I will not stop going out because they got covid. What would happen if soldiers had that mentality, some soldiers die around you and you just give up. Not me.
@@cyntreciaholden7779 at this point you’re just embarrassing yourself. it’s disgusting how selfish you are. you have the same exact mentality as trump and all his brainwashed minions. it’s disgusting how you can’t just stay home and wear a mask when it’s literally saving lives. go check your morals and then get back to me on whether or not you think innocent people should have to die just because you don’t want to wear a piece of fabric over your nose and mouth 🙄
@@rocco6957 my body, my choice.
I really liked the mindset Percy. He just wants to know more about the vaccine and the virus. He listened the others respectfully and showed that he wasn't stuck in his opinions
Appreciate the love. That's all I'm saying. I was willing to learn and be open minded 👊
I agree. He was the only one that seemed smart out of the skeptics. The bald dude was crazy.
Yesssirr 🙏🏿🙏🏿🖤
Hail satan
@@theprinceoffreshair1164 mad respect to you dude. It's harder to be open minded and willing to humble yourself than know it in the first place.
This whole conversation needs to happen again .. So much has changed in the facts of this disease since this.
agreed 10000%
It was an agenda and those pushing it know it.
Well said.
Like what? Still considering getting the vaccine or not
@@N_toft Getting the vaccine? So injecting an unknown substance with unknown long term (and short-term) effects. Approved by a governmental agency that exaggerated infection rates, hide death rates, and assured you a mask would protect us (thought scientifically it's not plausible). Used testing methods that were incapable of accurate results (according to the testing methods creator) Promoted by those that endlessly advocate a need for population reduction.
On second thought, nevermind there's nothing to be alarmed or curious about.
Siaka saying “We can do this together” is like that one dude who didn’t help during the group project at all 🤦🏽♀️
Lmaoooo
😂😂
Exactly. This dude only contributed to the problem 🙄
literally!
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That ER doctor probably freaking out in the back of his mind knowing how many people probably got sick from Siaka
Oh for sure
I’m not there and I’m freaking out
Yeah he probably had to treat some of them
@@NostalgicHearts Then why don't you wear a mask and keep your distance.
@@NostalgicHearts there is evidence that you are way less likely to stop spreading COVID if you get the vaccine
Nobody in his family died from covid when they didn't take any precautions, but he never thought that he could have gotten countless people sick that he doesn't know.
That would include thinking about someone other than yourself and that's a big OOOF
Don't u get it? Siaka is apparently on some godlike level compared to the rest of humanity to be a considerate human being. He complains about the pandemic but also doesn't wanna get the vaccine which will help it end sooner. He wants to eat his cake and have it too.
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These kind of people I sort of wish suffer the most from COVID.
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This was a really interesting talk, but Jubilee should get pro-vax doctors and anti-vax doctors to debate. This seemed a very imbalanced set of debaters. Please do a pro and anti vax MDs episode, thankssss.
You miss the larger point here. This is not an issue of "process" = but one of substance. In other words what vaccine opponents claim to rationalize their misguided beliefs represents subjective twaddle and pseudoscientific gobbledygook. That means "who" makes the claim is not relevant as what is being said = falls outside the realm of legitimate science.
So people who claim to represent the medical field when what they claim does not reflect legitimate medical guidance = are just so many more idiots spouting off. Don't get hung up on perception here. Focus on what matters = what is being said - or not being said. Who does the talking is not important when what is being said is subjective rationalization.
I would hope there aren't enough anti vaxx drs for that
There are barely any anti-vax MDs, you can only find them online bubbles really. And most of them would refuse to come on this show because their employers/coworkers would chew them up for being unscientific.
100% agreed and first thing I thought. Apples to apples.
@@Ancor3 actually MDs are the most vaccine hesitant group between them and bachelors degree holders and people who only have a high school diploma.
Doctors know what’s in it and don’t want it
Kelly is so informed, educated, empathetic. I envy her students.
shes amazing! i wish she was my teacher
We really need more people like her
@Tyler B #2 better informed is this a joke she. won’t take a precaution to help herself and others around her.
She was my high school teacher. I’m so happy to see her in this video!!
She’s my daughter teacher and she’s adorable
I don’t know how Thomas and Jacklyn were so calm throughout the whole video. Siaka and Erika were like “yeah people are dying, but not enough for me to care about anyone else.” Siaka really said “that’s it??” When he was told that 30% of cases develop long-term health problems. 🙄
I actually understand Erika's apprehension about the vaccine seeing as she's had adverse reactions with other vaccines. What I can't understand is how shut off about the whole conversation Siaka is. It's such a selfish mindset to say, "I got it and I felt alright, what's the big deal?" Or "I haven't changed my lifestyle and I'm doing great so everyone shouldn't panic" Honestly, some people need empathy.
Like Thomas stated a few times, they have witnessed the worst depth of human suffering over this last year.
When you've been exposed to that on a daily basis, it has a sort of deadening effect. They were surely frustrated with the ignorance on display, but they also understand not everyone has been a witness to the severe reality that they have. They can only hope people like Siaka choose to come out of their ignorance and find the logic and empathy required to consider the wellbeing of others.
Tbh Siaka is just 😂
@Drea A if I recall correctly, if you have adverse reactions to vaccines you’re considered as one of the people being protected by heard immunity. We try to get the majority of the population vaccinated so that we can protect even those who can’t get vaccinated.
My point here is that she didn’t have to be anti-vaxx if that’s what her concern was. I just wanted to say that because I didn’t want to come off as trying to start an argument 😅
How can siaka sit next to nurses and doctors and proudly state he hasn’t changed anything about his lifestyle? I can’t with this man...
Probably to prove his point that you can do all the wrong things and go against the rules and you may still not get it. It’s like any illness, some people will get it despite being extremely healthy and some people won’t, despite not being their healthiest
But he did get it though
@@kristenz2795 ok sorry yes I realize he got it but he was fine and many of his family members were also fine. I’m just trying to see his POV that you may or may not get it and depending on your immune system, you may or may not recover
I'm a student paediatric nurse and have had a father of a patient claim that he refuses to get a covid test for his daughter (who was attending A&E for the second time due to covid symptoms) because he doesn't believe the virus is real. He said this to multiple nurses and a doctor who have been caring for covid patients throughout this pandemic...
@@noori770 so true!!! Nicely put
I would love to see this group get back together to see if their opinions have changed
Doubtful since anti-vaxxers as a rule are ambivalent towards "science" - or even understanding for that matter......... If you objectively listen to their arguments it is all subjective argumentation premised usually upon ideology - and ignorance-based fear.
Moral of the story: you can not reason with irrationality - and the leopard proverbially can not change its spots. Ergo there is little to indicate the irrationality of the anti-vaccine movement - industry really - has abated itself in any way. They are for the most part = "lost" having untethered themselves from reality. Having descended into the hole of paranoia and conspiracy theories few ever manage to climb back out........ 🤨
Half that group might be deceased by now.
@@My_Name_Jeff.Any of them could be deceased. Many vaccinated people have died, I know someone who died from a blood clot likely caused by the vaccine. Get over yourself, jerk
@@My_Name_Jeff.Quite possible, since people under 50 are dropping dead of heart attacks and strokes after getting the vax
Yeah, but I'm sure pride will kick in to help justify having taken it. The whole, "Well the infection could have been way worse if I hadn't taken it"
I admire Thomas so much, for being able to stay calm, while the sceptics were not accepting the facts that he was laying down.
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He was so patient. Just watching this video I was getting so frustrated listening to the skeptics, especially Siaka.
Regardless, Tomas' perception of covid is heavily impacted by the fact that he is constantly around those who are affected. It is the same way that people who work in crisis centers for domestic violence or juvenile abuse tend to have an unhealthy view on families.
@@Errupt no you’re a clown. How can y’all not be skeptical at this point? y’all disappoint me.
@@idontknowanymore8277 what’s there to be skeptical about ?
“they’re not telling us what the vaccine is made out of” when i got the pfizer vaccine, i received a packet that included the ingredients, common side effects, tips, etc.
Exactly. They tell you exactly what’s in it and people still don’t listen.
@Freshly Squeezed love, i’m believing a piece of paper from highly educated professionals who are legally obligated to inform us of what we’re putting in our bodies over a random stranger on the internet.
@Freshly Squeezed 100's of millions of people have done it. You don't see people turning into aliens or vegetables now do you.
What annoys me about asking about the ingredients is some people will see a big scary science word and just run with it claiming it’s bad. Or looks it up and doesn’t understand how it interacts with the body and other ingredients and also claims that it’s bad. Wait until they find out that some foods have citric ACID and claim it’s poisonous when it’s literally acid from citric fruits. I even remember someone freaking out about a Covid vaccine ingredient that ended up being salt or (sugar)
or something. Wait until they find out about dihydrogen monoxide!!!! It’s the easy misinformation and lack of education that is so dangerous and damaging.
@Freshly Squeezed how else are they gonna get the information besides google? Is Jesus Christ gonna come down from heaven and carve it into the face of the earth? Literally all information is on the internet or pieces of paper😂 ever heard of a dictionary? Ever read religious text and followed that?
Siaka is using the flat earth strategy. "I haven't personally seen the earth from space so I don't know if it is indeed round." "I don't believe the astronauts"
Yeah I've never seen my forehead, so I dont believe in my forehead
When did he say that
I think he has more of a trust problem with the government than anything else and that unfortunately is driving all of his opinions. It’s really sad that his trust is broken, because it’s affecting how he sees the entire pandemic, and he can’t believe any of the facts...
@@maximusfogdall6907 you’ve never seen your own reflection?
@@liltriqq ...that's the joke
It's hard to explain the difference between a cure and a vaccine to some people
It's proof the education system needs to do better
It's hard to explain that the definition of "vaccine" was conveniently changed in 2020 to some people.
@@darrenuretsky1700 it didnt change but ok
@dono5529 take 30 seconds to look that up for yourself.
@@dookishooz You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
It was chilling to hear the physician talking about his patients with covid.
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the reactions of the people was very respectful
@@briannk3720 umm---
@@briannk3720 ok can we get the preacher out of the room-
I was contemplating to cancel my Johnson vaccine on Mon then I see this, now I cant wait to get it. I almost drowned once and I know how it felt like dying like that, gasping for air.
Man. Thomas’s final words speaks volumes. You can hear the pain and loss of energy and him just hanging on to hope. It must’ve been hard hearing out the skeptics when they haven’t seen what you see every day working with actual patients that have caught the virus. I really, really hope we can all work together just a little harder so we can get over this pandemic. My god.
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I’m not sure if it was hard to hear the skeptics like Percy but Siaka.. he wasn’t will to change
@Storm Designs yeah man, I’m sure the guy who’s taking care of COVID patients is just virtue signaling. He probably don’t have any idea how the virus can affect the body, and probably takes no precautions to protect himself.
30:24 Felt icky how he hugged the teacher right after she said she was gonna do elbows. Kinda illustrates what he's been saying throughout the video: he's gonna do what he wants and doesn't have much regard for the interests of others
Yessssss
I really hate people like him.
@Peter Martins it's literally just common decency lol
facts
“We can do this together”
“I’ve actually been going out more since the start of the pandemic”
Thanks for your contribution Siaka 👍🏻
He seems educated enough but just disregards facts it’s very strange
I hope this comment was said with sarcasm… it’s honestly hard to tell.
@@buck4mt it was
As a person who caught long Covid and has been having heart issues for three months (at 29) now hearing how dismissive Siaka was makes me so sick
I’m so sorry, I hope you make a full recovery. Yeah listening to Siaka was pretty infuriating
I hope u recover soon, ppl like him r the reason this happens smh. Rlly rlly sorry abt ur situation
girl I hope you’re doing ok 😊
So sorry to hear this, I hope you make a full recovery.
So sorry, I hope that resolves. As someone who has seen people like you struggle, he totally pissed me off.
The nurse and the doctor look calm but deep inside, I know how frustrated they are.
How so?
@@flourishomotola5306 they have seen the consequences of the pandemic first hand, have encountered death unlike anyone, risk their own lives and their families’ lives (yes they choose to for the greater good) every time they go to work
@@mdr8062 I work in a nursing home in the UK and have worked there for 3 years. No one in the home I work has died from COVID.
@@mdr8062 COVID is real but how deadly is it, that's the real QUESTION.
@@flourishomotola5306 more than 3 million people have died from COVID, and their families are never gonna be able to see them again, people have lost their parents, their children, their best friend so although a lot of people do survive, a lot still die and even some of the survivors have long lasting health conditions
"Not changing my lifestyle/hugging and meetings" is not the same as not living in a state of panic. No one I know gave into hysteria and fear, but everyone agreed to do their part and respect social distancing. You can do both.
Exactly they make this topic black and white when it's not
were gona listen to a page that talks very grown up topics to 5 year olds?
@@namename3139 we’re *
Not everyone agreed to losing their jobs
@@Chernochegger Not everyone agreed to losing their lives
Just watching this today. Would love to see you guys do another one on this subject, especially with the advent of strokes, blood clots,and heart attacks in the younger people.
Yes!
As if those things never happened or existed before lmao
@@KillTheCupcakes but the jabs are directly causing them in much higher rates than normal
@@KillTheCupcakes are you trying to deny there is a relationship between these events and the vaccines? multiple vaccines were removed from market because of this.... quit being snarky
@@KillTheCupcakes You don't think there's a correlation?
“My entire family died from Covid”
Are you scared?
“Nah”
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Based.
How tf hasn't evolution picked her off yet
That vaccine got me shook tho
Fear is weakness. Stop making it a virtue.
The guy who said he's been going out MORE during this time? What the hell
That infuriated me.
Ikr!
@@livelaughloathe Me too. I'm staying home all the time to protect an immunocompromised family member. I can't attend school in-person even though that is an option for my district. It's astounding how some people have the privilege of ignoring the pandemic.
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@Kaiser24 I have no immunocompromised people in my household and I'm still staying in... so...
Just because your fortunate enough to overcome Covid, doesn't make it any less of a threat that one shouldn't be wary of.
Siaka is the definition of selfish. If my family and I didn't die from it, then all the deaths are sensationalized by the media.
Absolutely not
The elderly and the unhealthy should take Covid seriously and consider the vaccine. The rest of the population should be fine and take basic daily sanitary steps (as the should be anyway)
ikr and you can get covid more than once too
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Yes he is just selfish and ignorant
This was a really diplomatic way to say "Educated vs. Uneducated"
In the end = yes - that pretty much sums it up. 🤷
How do you think your comment holds up in 2024??
I think that the most shocking part is when SIaka answered with ''That's it?'' when the doctor said that 30%of patients have sever symptoms... this 30% is probably more than 200 thousand people. And even the mortality being 1,8%, on 300 millions people that percentage is too high.
All I can see in Siaka and Erika is selfishness. They refuse to acknowledge the pain of the others and they stick to ''Not affecting me is not my problem.'' Just sad.
I would say infuriating more than sad, tbh... The selfishness with these freaking anti-vaxxers...
What’s worse is they’re not even smart enough to use that selfishness correctly. Me, I see 30 percent of people get severe symptoms, and I go, well that means there’s a thirty percent chance my life is potentially changed forever. They go, oh that’s a 70 percent chance I’ll be fine.
@@holocene2164 anti COVID Vaxxers bud
Totally agree. It was disturbing to see someone on this channel with such a lack of empathy.
@@DrAndromeda sadly many people in this day of age have no empathy
I applaud the nurse so much “surviving is different from thriving” such a powerful statement and so important to understand the difference between the two.
Yes exactly.
yes!
I read your comment as soon as I heard it
Not hard to know the difference
@@richsosa9698 great for you
Siaka sure used a lot of words to just say "I only care about myself."
Guy with glasses and purple haired girl are extremely selfish. It was so cringe and gross. That girl literally had family that died from covid but is more concerned about herself getting a temporary skin condition than her family and other peoples lives. It's selfish people like them that will keep this virus going. Purple haired girl and glasses guy would be singing a different tune if it was themselves on life support not being able to breath and dying a slow painful deat.
Soft
@@FragranceEuphoria that is still their choice to make. Everyone agreed that not everybody should receive the vaccine. You have your right to autonomy. Make decisions based on what you feel is right for yourself and others. It is okay to be selfish the same way it is okay to care about people. Both sides are fine. I see myself on both sides with this disease but chose to get the vaccine because of selfishness and wanting my life back to normal.
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@@FragranceEuphoria I disagree with your opinion on the girl. She had a valid concern about her allergies. We simply don't know how bad her hives are, and in some people they are accompanied with inflammation & can cause numerous issues.
Without knowing the severity of her reactions, I feel like it's wrong to attack her. Vaccinations are not right for everyone; granted, she still should take ordinary precautions
it would be so cool to see these exact same people come back for the same conversation now that were coming up to 2 years of the virus being out.. (specifically the doctor) i’m genuinely curious to see if any of them have changed their opinion
yesss it would !!!
especially now pfizer have released their data 💀
Would be nice
Idiots are still idiots and selfish are still the same.
I hope they have and the disagrees finally get the vaccine and a booster
That Dr might be the best participant I’ve seen in one of these videos. He’s educated, experienced, patient and well-spoken
fr i got emotional for some reason
I haven't even watched the video, yet, but I trust you.
really cool guy.
I thought the doctor was the one with the glasses
Hes also a republican. Does that change your opinion
the guy was like “my family got the virus and we are okay, so EVERYONE that gets will be okay and i do not believe that there is millions of people dying”
Look up the meaning on underlying conditions then go look at who is actually dying. Hint: its not healthy people.
@@oneeyeopen2094 stop & go outside. Your experience is not the same as everyone else's. Everyone's body is different how hard is it to understand
@@oneeyeopen2094 it means that people with diseases don't matter
@@iheartjbgccb im a nurse practioner. If I go outside I have a small amount of people here trying to get tested to see if they even have it. So now you go to a hospital and tell me if its healthy people or a few old people who watch too much news.
@@oneeyeopen2094 um okay, you’re a nurse yet you ignore the fact that Covid can cause damages to heart vessels even in mild cases??? People can have long lasting side effects that they might not know about until later. Health is important.
Thomas (the critical care physician) is SO well-spoken
That doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about.
@@jeremysmith9694 He was definitely one of the people who knows what they're talking about.
@@jeremysmith9694 No one said that those are equivalent, Why would you bring them up?
@@xadielplasencia3674 Because a lot of times people equate well spoken to accurate or important or truthful. I want everyone to know that's not always the case.
@@jeremysmith9694 I agree, but I think that this is not the case here, therefore, it is not a good time yo Say that
I would love to see these same people have these conversations again now. So many healthcare workers have had enough. It’d be interesting to see if any of their views have changed
They see the daily death in young people unexplained but can't speak on it
Such an American mindset. "it doesn't affect me, my family, or friends. Then I don't care"...
were gona listen to a page that talks very grown up topics to 5 year olds?
Exactly! I’m American (unfortunately) and so many have that mindset. Many people are selfish and careless
So true. It gets on my nerves.
Stop projecting
@@draedon_ it’s 100% an American culture I’m so blessed that I live in America, but I’m even more blessed that I’m Egyptian and that I don’t have horrible American mindset of “me and only me” American culture is not just bad, but can be scary
Shoutout to Percy, that was super open about learning more about other's perspectives and sharing his own. Much respect to him
tendou satori
Facts he was genuine af
dude had cool hair just gotta throw that out there
@@Nitin-vq4yr he looks like a duster
Siaka's logic: if I don't see it or experience It, it doesn't exist.
Same logic for people who deny vaccine injury as the people who deny cov.
Neither denial is right - both vaxxes and cov include risks.
One risk we know, the other risk is not yet calculable.
@@zantas-handle those are all certainly words.
@@catscats4427 I'm sorry, does the meaning of those words escape you? I thought 'both vaxxes and cov include risks' was pretty simple to follow.
@@catscats4427 what do you mean?
@@zantas-handle
Of course it’s real. In fact, it’s about as common as being allergic to potatoes (yes, that’s a thing). I’m kinda curious as to why they aren’t questioning why potatoes are EVERYWHERE, and saying doctors recommending potatoes as a good way to get starch is misleading. Same population size, but such different viewpoints. Why is this?
Edit: I mean an actual allergy to potatoes, not just a sensitivity. Same with the vaccines, but especially the potatoes.
The doctor quoting that pt saying “help me, help me, I can’t breathe” just broke me, reminded me of one of my favorite residents in the nursing home I was working at (2019-2021) and my resident literally said the same thing for 2 weeks before they passed… (CNA for 5+ years, nursing student)
Thomas was too patient, the fact he didn’t snap at any point is truly amazing. Mad Respect
He's amazing
uhm because he knows how to handle other peoples opinions instead of being and anger issue problematic argumentative individual like you might be... no need to praise someone for having decent respect for someone else’s opinion.
@@goldc4859 THIS!🙌🏽🙌🏽
@@goldc4859 Ok but you're missing the point, it's hard not to be frustrated when you're telling someone the facts and they still refuse accept them.
He would have no buisness being on here if he did snap. What’s the point of a discussion of you aren’t willing to hear people’s perspectives
Siaka: They aren't giving us the facts
Doctor: *gives facts*
Siaka: Well I don't see it in my personal lifes so I don't care
yeah, basically: I'm not being told that my anecdotes amount to general facts.
The facts given by the healthcare workers were facts, yes. But they aren't the only facts that exist. There are other facts, like how 98% of people have survived.
@@thatcheesysongwriter So if you had a 2% chance of dying each time you drove a car, would you consider driving a car safe? You'd die by the 50th time you drove. If you drove twice a day for a month, you wouldn't survive a month. And many of the people who survive have long-term symptoms, and we don't know how long they'll last. Two percent is a huge number. If you had 50 loved ones get COVID, that would mean that 1 of them would die. You're cool with that?
There are countries where very few people have died because of the precautions that were taken. This many people don't have to die of COVID. We're killing ourselves because we believe that opinions are as good as facts. They're not. You can believe whatever you want, but your beliefs don't change reality.
He doesn't trust health care workers or professionals but believes a random person who's posting a video in that they claim something.
@@John-tr5hn that’s not how probability works. The probability of an event happening for a discrete sample size is not equally distributed. Just because it’s 98% survival doesn’t mean 98% for every member of your sample. Some could be higher or lower. I get what you’re saying but things are no so simple.
“30%? That’s it?” Wow. The ignorance and selfishness is astounding.
Right?! My response was “30%.. Yikes that’s a large chunk of people!”
So then you should take precautions for everything. When you think about the deaths to so many things, 30% isn’t a lot. Sure it’s still horrible. But millions of people are shot in a year. Do you wear a bullet proof vest everywhere? No.
Not agreeing or disagreeing with him. But it’s not as ignorant as you think. Some people are very realistic to the point that it sounds crazy. But he is realistic. There are higher percentages for every day stuff and we don’t even think about those. It’s simply because Covid is blow up that we take 30% as a high number.
Guy with glasses and purple haired girl are extremely selfish. It was so cringe and gross. That girl literally had family that died from covid but is more concerned about herself getting a temporary skin condition than her family and other peoples lives. It's selfish people like them that will keep this virus going. Purple haired girl and glasses guy would be singing a different tune if it was themselves on life support not being able to breath and dying a slow painful deat.
@@julianaciannello728 sorry but I’d rather get hives if it means my parents live then not get hives and my parents die. Or anyone for that matter. She thinks only her life matters. Can’t relate to that. I’ll do anything and everything I can to prevent anyone from getting sick and dying. But I understand some people are narcissistic sociopaths like them.
@@FragranceEuphoria Same. And I had a condition where I had hives that lasted for 9 months. Two weeks she experienced is nothing.
Why have you presented three professionals, against three randos? There are plenty of doctors and nurses who are hesitant to this vaccine.
definetely. this video hasn’t done justice to anti vax or vax hesitant people
It was not well balance at all. You can tell where the bias lays.
This video was disappointing to watch
Saying you’ve been going out MORE during covid is the weirdest flex
@@marblebloc1943 You’re happy putting other people’s lives at risk??? Stop being selfish and start being selfless.
@@marblebloc1943 I don’t know about that bud 🤔
Honestly like who's proud of that😬🙄
Oh yeah I endangered a huge amount of strangers, my family, and myself. Ha beat that nerds
@@samanthafreeman7532 There is no such thing as selflessness. You are being just as selfish as people who you perceive to be putting people’s lives at risk. We do what we WANT to do. You WANT to feel like you’re saving people from covid, so you stay inside. Some people WANT to feel like they’re freeing people by encouraging them to go outside, so they go outside.
And just because you think a person doesn’t care about people getting sick doesn’t mean they actually don’t care; it’s just your perspective and assumption.
Thomas talking about his experiences working in a hospital made me cry. Healthcare workers are hero’s
I wanted to hug him right there ;-;
Heroes? Naw. It's just what we do.
His speech at 12:36 was incredible. Poignant and from the heart, I found myself rewatching it immediately after due to how arresting it was.
Heros my ass
Until they give out medications that cause seizures and other stuff.
I like that it seemed Percy at least acknowledged the severity of the pandemic compared to the other two. He seemed skeptical, but open to learn
You like open minded skeptics because you think they’re easier to change their mind, so they seem more “okay” for you right? But if they’re confident in their side and won’t sway then they’re all of a sudden deemed “bad?” Also the virus is severe but notice how H1N1 killed more people and nobody wore masks. Notice how people could go out and protest which is obviously not socially distanced, but going to church or concerts was banned because of “Covid” which seems super hypocritical. As if the virus can distinguish between that and going to church or concerts.
@@picklejar462 this is because unlike the other skeptics who were going against literal facts, percy was simply uneducated bcus there has been a lot of misinformation and wanted clarification from doctors and such, unlike the other two who were directly going against proven medical research. Additionally, protests were banned and hundreds if not thousands of people were arrested for them, people just decided that they thought protesting was more worth it than the risk of getting COVID just like the church and concerts and such. I dont know why you separated the church/concerts from the protesters as from a legal standpoint they are being treated exactly the same.
@@picklejar462 I like how "icon" addressed your other statements so I'm just going to respond to something they didn't cover. According to the CDC, H1N1 had about 60 million cases and only 12,500 deaths in the United States so I have no idea why you are under the impression that H1N1 is more deadly, or even killed more people, than COVID-19.
@@picklejar462 well that was in the early 2000s so I guess they didn’t think of masks and most of the protesters wore masks and it was outdoors during the day so it was hot 👍
@@picklejar462 did H1N1 extremely overwhelm ICU units and morgues?
This didn't age well for all these pro-vaxxers
The fact that Siaka hugged Kelly even when she said she didn't want to be (and other things he said throughout the discussion) shows how little he cares about others well being!
He is truly disgusting...i really dont care about him..but i will care if he becomes a carrier and infects other people who are sensible
She literally smiled and went in for the hug he was like it's your choice and put his arms out....
@Dexter She literally reached her arm to put it around the other girl. Takes it to you idiots to take a simple joyful moment and make it negative.
@@positivevibes9704 which he undoubtedly had
@Dexter The question is wtf is wrong with you
tbh kinda annoyed with siaka cuz he's like "It didn't do anything to me so it's probably fine" and basically brags about going outside and partying. He was talking to Thomas and Jacklyn with a kind of a condescending attitude. My opinion though.
100% agree, he had zero empathy bragging about partying and stuff right in front of healthcare workers like read the room
@@alicelee13 "I've been going to rallies and I don't think it's any big deal"
Nurse: "We have body bags piling up because there's no more room in the morgue"
that's what im saying
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He's right though
I can understand Erika and why she wouldn’t get the vaccine because of her past reactions, but the fact that she won’t do the BARE MINIMUM to protect others by wearing a mask is beyond me
Also, I don't think she determined definitively that it was a vaccine. She didn't mention ever corroborating her theory with actual medical confirmation. Other conditions (mental and physical) cause hives.
Especially hearing that 2 of her family members died from it! This way of thinking is just beyond me.
also because she said attributed her allergies to vaccines to they’re unsafe for everyone. like i’m allergic to penicillin medication that doesn’t mean other people shouldn’t take penicillin !!!
And the fact that she just generalized that she's allergic to ALL vaccines. And actually thinking that she's better off getting the immunity naturally. 😭 C'mon sis just say you don't care about other people and just wanna die and go
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PLEEEAASSSEEEE do another one of these with what we all know now. PLEASE!!!!
The doctor is so wise. "You lose the one thing I can't give you medication for; hope."
Wishing him well
The doctor is paid opposition. They have to say certain things even if they disagree with it because they get financial incentives. When someone tells me they’re a doctor and they say wear a mask or get the vaccine I’ll tell them to kick rocks.
@@mastershockvalue6499 It’s called doing your job. If they didn’t agree with it, they wouldn’t do it
@@mastershockvalue6499 yeah you're the type of person that would blame the chess pieces on the board for your loss due to your negative iQ
@@dedchannelbruh Your analogy sucks
@shrey patel I’m not sure why you’re asking me that
Siaka says he wants what's best for everyone but doesn't care about anyone but Siaka. This dude got covid and spread it through his family luckily nobody had any underlying health issues but I doubt it would've changed his prospective if he had lost someone he has no empathy.
Exactly, he’s living in his own bubble
You can't spell "everyone" without "one"
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@Storm Designs 540k+ Americans have died from covid now. How many more deaths do you need until people’s concern is legit and not “virtue signaling?”
I know Siaka... I’m not surprised to hear him speak this way, AT ALL.
I respect Thomas so much. He truly wanted to reach them and share his experiences of real people dying and being affected. Erika and Siaka didn’t even care, “it doesn’t affect me so i don’t care.”
If you explained that the mask isn't so you don't catch it, it's so you don't SPREAD it to someone else, well they'd understand but they still wouldn't care. The American Dream is all about being selfish and self-serving. Telling an American to consider other people is like telling them not to be an American.
Ikr she literally said that she doesnt wear a mask because she's not at the clubs...but I bet shes in the market or walmart. I'm with the doctor and nurse. I work with covid patients every shift and it's not pretty even to this day. Patient or visitor, she would not be able to step foot in the hospital without a mask. Our security gladly escorts anti maskers out.
and now some people are dying or getting hospitalized after taking the Johnson & Johnson vaccine... ironic. Tbh It's not just a complete wrong or right situation. All of these people are ignorant including the pro vaccine ppl.
@@bayleesoto455 true, both sides are not willing to understand each other
@Rest in Pog I get where you are coming from, but it’s a lot easier for everyday people to stop the spread if covid and get a vaccine, then to stop child labor. Believe me I would do it myself if I could, but I have no power in the world to change countries.
I think it’d be interesting to see this redone now, or at least in a few more months bc of how much more information we have regarding the virus and the vaccine
This hurts to watch, some of these people just dont take it seriously
@Lamar Troy giving a fuck about not getting a deadly virus and giving it to others isn’t being a sheep it’s having the critical thinking skills to understand why you need to give a fuck
They actually do just not as seriously as others.
@Lamar Troy so what are you doing here bot? 🤡 dont you have to be an alpha somewhere
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@@iheartjbgccb bro don't even wast ur time on youtube comment sections lmaoo its just gonna make u lose braincells🤣🤣🤣🤣
Percy is the most relatable for me, uses his common sense but doesn’t try to pretend he’s an expert
Experts vs common sense.
Thank you for seeing that. I appreciate it 👊
Daragh O'kane he’s not acting like an expert tho just skeptical of the vaccine.
Thats my big bro 🙏🏿🤟🏿🖤🖤
@@Q-FROMNYC very good very good
“ I’m not afraid of it but my aunt aunt and uncle died “😟
Wow. Makes sense. Youde think someone who’s anti-vax that had there family die would open there eyes lmao
@@rjayshaun lmao because they can easily protect themselves but instead let there stupidity get in the way of that.
I think her point was that she's choosing to not be afraid-despite evidence that she should be-because chronic fear is more dangerous. She's right in extreme cases, but missing the distinction that fear in moderation is a healthy thing (unlike COVID).
i think any rational person would fear something like this! i've had family die of cancer and i'm scared of it! i've had family die of heart disease and i'm scared of it! the thing about covid, none of my family has died from it but that could *so* easily change... and i'm rightfully scared of it, even though it's partially in my control.
@@rjayshaun So you’re saying you shouldn’t wear a seatbelt because maybe just maybe you’ll never get in a car accident. Hmmm okay.
I would love to have these same people come back and discuss how they feel now.
can we say props to my guy Thomas, he explained everything in a clear and calm manner and was considerate of the other side.
Thomas is so educated and calm. I loved hearing him talk 😌
We can’t go back to normal after we’re vaccinated because in 6 months a different covid can be worse than Ebola. Much education, very wow.
He sounds like a liar
More like, he reinforced your confirmation bias.
This was a lopsided conversation, in typical jubilee fashion, they did not get people who are also medical professionals that disagree with the vaccine.
Over 62% of health care workers refuse to get the vaccine. Why not get some of them to participate in this conversation?
@@erictheguapo May you link me to the article where it said 62% of healthcare workers refused the vaccine.
@@erictheguapo at my hospital 85% of doctors were vaccinated so far, 60% of nurses, and
"I don't see it" was Siaki's only argument...
"We had corpses lying bagged up in rooms because there was no room in the morgue."
"Yeah, but like it wasn't bad for me, so whatever. So I just kept partying."
So this dude is like “everybody survived for me, so everything is fine, I actually went out MORE, I just hugged EVERYBODY I MET” bro THE PAIN OF THAT STATEMENT
You people confuse me. What y’all want is making people suffer more than covid, mental health problems are going up like crazy, jobs are being lost, people can’t even go to see there parents if they are sick. You people are very odd. Stop getting science from CNN
@@doctorv9336 you call yourself doctor .....I highly doubt that you are a better source of information then CNN on its worst days
it's criminal really. who knows how many ppl he infected and he outcome of those infections.
@@lilianaisabel9108 so the other people who are out aren't liable?
This guy breaking into homes or something? I don't understand
percy was definitely a breath of fresh air. it's nice to see someone not stuck in their opinions and genuinely show up to learn and keep an open-mind by drawing from others various experiences. also have lots of appreciation for thomas. he showed up with the facts and shared them in a way that wasn't demeaning to those who were skeptical.
Appreciate it boss 👏 that's my main goal. To talk about stuff and find a solution
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@@theprinceoffreshair1164 the username couldn't be more fitting lol
siaka loves to talk about how he just can’t understand where “the other side” is coming from but when they tell him he just tries to make a counter argument every time like bruh
the villainization of people not wanting to get the vaccine for soooo many multiple reasons was absolutely disgusting.
I agree, absolutely appalling
The irony of Siaka saying 'we can do this together' when he's been going out, not wearing a mask, and thinking Covid isn't a big deal because the people he knows didn't deal with the worst of it.
People literally still think it's a hoax because of this. Like that's YOUR experience there are billions of different people
I feel like he's a genuine sociopath. He doesn't regard his actions and doesn't see the negative connection between those actions and their outcome. Very selfish and unaware.
you can’t apply a few personal experiences to the situation as a whole. his ignorance is unfortunate
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@@iheartjbgccb
I have a job. Unemployment is a lie!
LOLLL
Skeptic: “they aren’t telling us the side effects”
Jubilee: “CDC side effects in description”
How can you know the side effects of something that is brand new and not even approved by the FDA?
WhAts iN tHe VaCciNe?
Can u not read, are u blind???
@@br00talcabbage64 because each vaccine was tested on tens of thousands before being emergency authorized for the public
what are you expecting lmaoo its america
"Can you trust the CDC?"
More likely
The doctor is so well spoken he moved me to tears, you can literally hear his voice breaking 😭
Are you kidding lol that dude is all emotion no facts
@@emilieford3604 all he was doing was saying facts so i think you need to rewatch the video 🖤 and if you think having emotion and sympathy over people literally dying is wrong then you are the messed up one.
I felt emotional listening to him too. What a tough job.
Can he have his own episode please? I wanna learn from him!
@@belladavina
Problem is, they are labeling deaths as "virus" when the virus had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it! I, personally know of 5 !!!!
Well this didn't age well. It doesn't stop transmission.
🥱Another one with absolutely no understanding here. It does grown mundane.
@@varyolla435 your point is?
@@thinkvoiceact self explanatory. You have no understanding here. As an aside. If you want a "full proof" way to prevent infectious disease acquisition = dig a hole and climb in. So long as you interact among others then you risk exposure and subsequent infection depending upon multiple variables too lengthy to articulate here. Your "assumptions" are all wrong.
@@varyolla435 neither do you
mans said "30%? that's it?" that 30% is MILLIONS of people...yikes
What‘s even more hypocritical is that he‘s the who said that the vaccine is only 94% safe… XD
Seriously like if you cut 30% of his body off he now has three limbs.
@@missjupiice6151 no he said that 94% is protected if im correct.
@@oceanman7868 yea that‘s what I said. 94% safe means that it‘s only effective on 94% of the vaccinated people. Which means that "only" 94% are protected XD
@@missjupiice6151 he said that only 94% effective in stopping the contraction of the virus while those who do still get it have a much lower risk of hospitalisation
“Hi I’m a doctor that is responsible for a whole hospital department…”
“Hi I’m just vibing life…”
Ah yes two equally qualified people
Because if they were smarter they would have vax already
I thought the same thing actually. It almost immediately disqualifies what any non health professional has to say. There are plenty of doctors, and nurses, etc that want this vaccine, and plenty that don't. That's the side by side I'd like to see.
Agree, battle field uneven
A doctor is not smarter than any other normal person. You don't have to be high IQ to become a doctor.
@@rogueyarbrough7183 "plenty that don't" not really though depends on your definition of "plenty".
Kelly fact checking siaka multiple times is giving me life
Don't even 😭Do you have any idea how many times I've seen people spreading lies about how there's only a 0.3% chance of dying- no, not even, I've seen 0.005% from some people. Twitter is not a good place.
@@noelstar1456 Theres a 1.8% chance of death in the U.S. as of April 13, 2021 while places like Yemen have a 20% chance. 11 months ago the U.S. had a 7.5% of death so were cooling down quick for a global pandemic.
Still low numbers
Gay
@@M16Ben ‘Tis the GAY
This didn't age well for the pro vaxx
Why?
I don’t ever wanna hear Siaka’s voice again 🙄. The guy with the long hair and black shirt was the only person on the anti-vaccine side that I semi-understood.
I appreciate you bro 👊
Same. I disagree with his conclusion but I feel as though at least he has some empathy. Siaka on the other hand...
Right
@@theprinceoffreshair1164 you are very kind.
yes he actually had valid points and common sense
Siaka: I’m not seeing Covid patients so I’m gonna stay going out. He knows he’s being selfish and he doesn’t change his behavior. Nice.
Yea he’s definitely selfish, he only wants to do what he wants to do...doesn’t matter about how it may affect someone else
Oddly enough, in the same way that Siaka's perception on covid is impacted by the fact that no one around him is suffering from from it; on the other hand, Thomas' perception of covid is also heavily impacted by the fact that he is constantly around those who are severely affected. It is easier for people to recognize the former but not the latter.
fuck him. were all tired of this pandemic and its been a yr now so most have been gone back to normal to some degree but this guy cant even wear a mask and social distance when necessary. i stay away from senior citizens and wear my mask when im inside somewhere. it sucks but its the least we can do. its also just common courtesy. things are going back to normal with some restrictions which is good news. so just wear your mask and stuff guys. things are getting better already
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Yeah... I hate his face
I would be SO SCARED to be sitting across from someone who said they were “going out more often” even if they were tested... especially as a doctor, nurse, or teacher.
They probably get tested before
Watching this in 2023 and wondering if the pro vaxxers feel stupid yet.
Siaka is soooo selfish and self-centred. Don’t know how the Doctor and Nurse stayed respectful to him because he lost mine immediately 😭
Omg yes!!! His views seem to only be based on his experience and doesn’t want to consider other views.
They'll have both had patients who also didnt think it was a big deal, despite dying from it days later. They've seen it all. I doubt anything could shake them and that's why healthcare workers are a whole different breed of human. Hats off to them all
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Guy with glasses and purple haired girl are extremely selfish. It was so cringe and gross. That girl literally had family that died from covid but is more concerned about herself getting a temporary skin condition than her family and other peoples lives. It's selfish people like them that will keep this virus going. Purple haired girl and glasses guy would be singing a different tune if it was themselves on life support not being able to breath and dying a slow painful deat.
Siaka be like: "Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make."
“Sherk” nice
*Thanos voice* 🤣🤣 ...nah but if we can blame Siaka Let’s figure out who patient No.1 is and shame them publicly forever for brining it overseas in the first place. That’s the liberal logic 😭😭😭
Life is not without death. Expect it as the day and night ,walking behind you, watching you. Would you live your life in fear everyday or live? Vac is less then 2 years old. It’s , mRNA ,EUA and government is suppressing reactions and not being transparent enough for me.Majority of people don’t know all facts when you ask them.
@@Kingmookz no one’s blaming him..lmao
So when people die from the vaccine, that’s different from the MINORITY of people that die from the virus? Think about what you’re saying...
“Their not telling us the side effects”
Jubilee: covid 19 side effects in description
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They don’t know all the side effects yet because they haven’t had long enough that’s why it’s not FDA approved
@@ashanabigard4787 it is FDA approved stop it’s saying it not. Also, we do know about long term effects because the base of the vaccine is from the SARS vaccine which has been around for years and studied for years. SARS and Covid-19 are very similar so they were able to use a pre existing vaccine to create the COVID vaccine
@Billy McCatty Powell The vaccine does not alter DNA. Anyone with a basic understanding of biology would know that. mRNA vaccines cannot alter DNA. All that happens is that the mRNA enters into the cell and uses the cell parts to create a specific part of the virus known as the spike protein. Your body then goes through an immune response. Your body creates antibodies that can recognize and fight of COVID-19. The vaccine is totally incapable of altering DNA.
@Billy McCatty Powell mRNA does not ulter DNA.
@Billy McCatty Powell RNA doesn't alter DNA 🤣
There should be another debate today, 4 years later, and see what people think now. Bring these people back to see what they say too.
That girl trying to justify how she doesn’t wear a mask but it’s ok cuz she’s not partying is ridiculous. You don’t have to go to clubs to get Covid
If masks keep people from getting infected then her not wearing one won't get anyone infected. And if the masks dont stop people from getting infected then there's no point in wearing it anyways.
@@alexussreni273 a mask isn't for keeping *you* from getting infected, it's for protecting others *from* you. Regular masks are more effective at filtering the air coming out of your mouth than filtering incoming air. No fault of the masks, it's just fluid dynamics
@@alexussreni273 No its the opposite if she has covid and is not wearing a mask she can pass to to people wearing a mask
That’s like saying I don’t have to wear a seatbelt because I’m not driving
Denmark literally had a study showing masks don't really work nor stop the spread.
Siaka: We shouldn’t let politics get in the way of the facts.
Also Siaka: *Bases his entire opinion on Covid on a political narrative.*
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Yeah... I mean, props to him for having civil discourse. I also understand his skepticism when it comes to political narratives, but you can tell that he looked up his facts based on confirmation bias.
If he had researched facts from those with opposing views, he might be able to make a more informed decision, even if it's the same one.
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@@LuckiestManAlive the reality is if you base your opinion on scientific fact and medecine without politics you'll end up agreeing with the doctors, so he's lying to us when he says he doesn't let politics dictate his behavior
@@waldo8040 That's true when you talk about the majority Doctors. But the problem is... There have been a lot of Doctors on record talking about the net benefits of a lockdown, and saying that we shouldn't do them at all. So to him, those are the scientific facts that aren't politically driven. He even mentions this point during the debate.
That's what I mean when I talk about confirmation bias. It just sucks to see it take hold of so many people.
by siaka’s concern about the vaccine only working “94%” of the time, we might as well stop using condoms or birth control.
because it could still cause pregnancy right, or break, etc, so just don’t use it?
Different things
@@Thekiko2501 different TOPICS, but same statistics. what i’m saying holds true.
trin no it does not, condoms don’t have death listed as a potential side effect
@@Thekiko2501 look it up, birth control in rare cases can lead to death! so it actually is, once again, the same (:
@@trin1476 why can't you see things from all perspectives to find the truth?
Instead you just find a slight similarity to support your own argument even though they're completely different. Child
The effectiveness data didn’t age well. Lol
And they will never address it either, they'll just ignore it and move on like much of everything they've been wrong about over the past dozen years.
At best you'll have bot-schills or true believers still trying to argue that they weren't fooled or cajoled into taking the vax.
How so?
It did: but you would not believe it anyways ... 😅
It’s interesting how that Siaka was trying to minimize the amount of people who died by saying “it’s barely 2%” and well he’s right but he’s being extremely selfish. He’s basically saying it’s okay to sacrifice a couple of people for his comfort, that’s privilege and selfishness. The general lack of empathy for those who died... just sad. :(
Exactly! and I think he was saying that he didn't change his lifestyle and social distance.. the lact of empathy is such a shame
that small percent is still 2.7 million lives lost, people like Siaka make me sick
The 99% that he was referring earlier was also referring to healthy people under the age of 65. The vast majority of people that are stricken with the illness are elderly, obese, and/or with a comorbidity
and when the physician and nurse described how approximately 30% of people who had covid suffered long-term breathing problems after he said “thats it?” ewwww 16:07 btw
@@christiana5453 ikr, people like siaka is why covid deaths in the US is way worse compared to other countries. its no secret that a big part of Americans are bad in handling covid lololol
Siaka just admitted to being a one-man superspreader event, throughout the whole pandemic.
Super-spreader of truth, love, unity, and free choice, you’re right ❤️🙃
@@misscleo_ What's loving about not caring about how your actions might end other's lives?
"superspreader” lol
Survival of the fittest, was in his mind
@Finn Fire Comes from someone who can’t argument back so decides to insult me lol. Stay like a sheep cus government likes that.
"evidence doesn't add up...in order to survive...the whole side of the story being told", wtf does this man think? the virus should get a lawyer? a trial, a jury?
I think you know what he actually meant; but you're just being intentionally obtuse. Either that or you may be on the spectrum.
@@johnmorrison7205 most people on the spectrum are actually incredibly intelligent. Being on the spectrum is not an insult. You’re statement is ableist.
@@RachEl-ub9ep Many on the spectrum also have difficulty understanding what others are trying to convey and sometimes take things literally, like in OP's case. What about my statements were disparaging against those with disabilities? That's a big problem with communicating via text is that intent behind the message can be misunderstood.
More importantly, the evidence is there and it does add up
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And... How do we feel about things now? This didn't age well
It seems now things have changed and the science was bought and paid for.
people seem to forget or simply not know that wearing a mask and staying indoors protects OTHERS as well as themselves. It’s very frustrating seeing people have a “it doesn’t affect me so I don’t care what happens to other people, I’m still going to be reckless, meet tons of people and not social distance” perspective
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If wearing underwear over your butt doesn't protect you from smelling a fart, then what makes you think wearing underwear over your face will protect you from inhaling a virus, LOL?
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I had cancer in 2018. I couldn't walk for 4 months. I have been inside due to illness since then. If I can do it, they can too. Yet all the bars here are full all day and night. The roads have more vehicles now than prepandemic. The mall is packed. I got my vaccine as soon as I could. Im going for my second shot next week. I'd like to go outside for a day without worrying about idiot's like them.
if you can breathe the virus can get in and out. About the same amount of people die from cold as covid, yet i did not see you wearing a mask then. PLEASE do research before u go spreading false information
Siaka and Erika are the kind of people to hide a zombie bite from the group
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This is ridiculously accurate.
Lmaoo 😂😂 exactly!!
papa pug, you know how to weed em out
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A skeptic person usually questions many things, even his/her own beliefs, and takes a decision after checking multiple sources and trusting the evidence. Unfortunately, the term "skeptic" has been confused as merely "against mainstream narrative", and too many times attributed to deniers with rather dogmatic believes.
right ! skepticism is now a euphemism for willful ignorance.
Completely agree
@@AG-ed3ev and what do you call blindly following any narrative pushed by media?
they really think they’re hipsters
Yes! A skeptic is NOT a conspiracy theorist.
Turns out the skeptical people were on to something….
how so?
Siaka :“I go out hugging people of all ages for the last 6-7 month... and nothing 😄”
Also Siaka 1 minute prior: “oh yeah I had COVID and I spread it to my roommate my daughter my mother and a couple of other people”
He supports Donald Trump.
@@tiktokisanappforth0ttiesan995 so it makes sense that he's uneducated on the topic, also your name says it all bud 😂
@@Yumemaru. nope
It made me sad
These kind of people who take no precaution is really annoying
“Unless the vaccine works 100%..” No vaccine works 100%. For example, the flu vaccine doesn’t work 100%. It’s different every year to account for new strains, and the Covid Vaccine may or may not be the same.
Literally, almost no medical intervention is 100%. Those uterine implants that stop pregnancy by telling your body you’re already pregnant are only 99.2-99.8% effective depending on type. If you’re holding out for 100, it will never happen
Sooo does that mean we should treat it like the Flu and not change the whole world because it's here and not going anywhere?
@@RCFlyer85 I meant that the Covid virus mutates into new variants, which may be similar to the different strains of the influenza virus; however, all Covid cases are caused by one virus- SARS-COV-2- so my original statement is incorrect. We should not treat it like the Flu because the general population has immunity to the flu now because it’s been around for more than a century, and we have also been through the flu pandemic. The COVID-19 virus is new, and the fatality rate is a lot higher than that of the flu.
@@RCFlyer85 My only point is that 100% is never going to happen. People still use contraception and blood pressure medications even with some risk that they could fail. This is because it MASSIVELY reduces risk. “But it’s not 100% effective” is a terribly ignorant argument, but that doesn’t mean that there’s no purpose to the treatment/preventions, just that we’re honest that it can OCCASIONALLY fail.
@@RCFlyer85 Wearing your seatbelt doesn’t 100% prevent you from dying in a car accident, but I don’t hear you arguing that you shouldn’t wear one because “it’s not 100% effective.”
The fact that Erika thinks being vegan is preventing her from getting covid is astoudning lol
people are like take vitamins and meditate. im like sure jan😂
Being vegan won't prevent her from getting covid but it will protect her from suffering as a result of covid. Meat eaters end up developing a lot of underlying health conditions such as heart disease from high cholesterol in meat etc which vegans are more protected against and therefore those underlying health conditions which a lot of meat eaters do end up developing later in life as a result of their meat consumption are going to make it harder for your body to fight off covid.
@@emruss7408 I'm pretty sure that you won't necessarily suffer from heart diseases if you eat meat in moderate amounts while vegans who eat a lot of junk food (like myself lol) can.
@@emruss7408 ....
Erin would like her
I'd love to see an update to this one now that we know the death rate was less than 1% and that the vaccine doesn't prevent infection.
It does prevent death and hospitalization. And 1% is huge if the disease spreads.
@@shardsoficeNo, it’s not huge. It was almost all older people and people with co-morbidities. If you take them out, almost no one died, and many people were forced against their will to get the vaccine. The revisionist history won’t fool anyone.