"What I write is just too deep for them to understand!" seems like such an obvious piece of cope to fall for. Whenever your explanation for why you failed is something that makes you look good and everyone who didn't like your work look stupid, that explanation should be given a very low baseline likelihood of holding true.
To be completely fair, the quote was "there are too many narratives and the conversations are too explanatory. Its meaningless to do this i manga form unless you're able to unfold the story using the art a characters." "Too deep and complex" was my summary of the critique in chapter 8, but they might have said something similar later. But in general, I agree.
I don’t know. Your critique seems a little disingenuous to me. I feel there are a lot of writers that are like Eiji. The character is a natural genius, obsessed with drawing manga from when he was very young. It makes sense why he is able to write great mainstream from that lens. Takagi, on the other hand, had other priorities set in academics and athletics. A lot of his life had to be put into education and schooling rather than manga. He even admits that he never wrote manga until he met Mashiro. It makes sense why that duo is only able to beat Eiji and get serialized when they dedicated long hours to further learn the craft and played to their strengths. The main characters aren’t good at mainstream. They could be self-inserts, but the story is very upfront about why Eiji is able to write good mainstream and Mashiro/Takagi can’t. Eiji has always written manga while they were just getting started. And frankly, it would take away from the story if there was in-depth on every manga written in Bakuman. Eiji isn’t the only rival of Mashiro/Takagi, so I think it was a better move to focus those dynamics rather than what makes their stories good. We already know. They love manga and they worked hard to understand how it works.
Your first paragraph just restated facts about the story that I already know (some of which I stated in the vid). Your second paragraph said that you prefer that they didn't go in depth about battle manga. You didn't counter any of my arguments, so how am I being disingenous?
"What I write is just too deep for them to understand!" seems like such an obvious piece of cope to fall for. Whenever your explanation for why you failed is something that makes you look good and everyone who didn't like your work look stupid, that explanation should be given a very low baseline likelihood of holding true.
To be completely fair, the quote was "there are too many narratives and the conversations are too explanatory. Its meaningless to do this i manga form unless you're able to unfold the story using the art a characters." "Too deep and complex" was my summary of the critique in chapter 8, but they might have said something similar later. But in general, I agree.
I don’t know. Your critique seems a little disingenuous to me. I feel there are a lot of writers that are like Eiji. The character is a natural genius, obsessed with drawing manga from when he was very young. It makes sense why he is able to write great mainstream from that lens. Takagi, on the other hand, had other priorities set in academics and athletics. A lot of his life had to be put into education and schooling rather than manga. He even admits that he never wrote manga until he met Mashiro. It makes sense why that duo is only able to beat Eiji and get serialized when they dedicated long hours to further learn the craft and played to their strengths. The main characters aren’t good at mainstream. They could be self-inserts, but the story is very upfront about why Eiji is able to write good mainstream and Mashiro/Takagi can’t. Eiji has always written manga while they were just getting started.
And frankly, it would take away from the story if there was in-depth on every manga written in Bakuman. Eiji isn’t the only rival of Mashiro/Takagi, so I think it was a better move to focus those dynamics rather than what makes their stories good. We already know. They love manga and they worked hard to understand how it works.
Your first paragraph just restated facts about the story that I already know (some of which I stated in the vid). Your second paragraph said that you prefer that they didn't go in depth about battle manga. You didn't counter any of my arguments, so how am I being disingenous?
I think the creators of multiple mainstream manga know a thing or two about mainstream manga
0:17 "Mainstream is what they call the battle fantasy genre." Platinum End is the closest thing to a battle manga and its reception isn't too hot.
I think good art makes or breaks manga, and it is essential with battle shounem far more than decent storytelling. That is how I interpreted Bakuman.
Most mainstream manga are mid few are genuinely masterpieces
I find it funny that in the end Bakuman itself is a mainstream battle shounen
Its an "unorthodox battle manga" at best, like Death Note. By how they use the word in the show, "mainstream battle" requires physical fighting.
Bro that shit is NOT a battle manga😭
I remember this super eyepatch wolf video, boutta be sick.
Tbf, most battle shounen aren't that special
Yo bro what’s the music you got in the intro
My arrangement of Never See Me Again by Kanye
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