The letter was Littlefinger's doing, all part of his plan to create strife between Lannister and Stark. Catelyn burns it, but thanks to Bran, its contents later come back to bite Littlefinger in the ass!
@@tessdurberville711 She held the quill, but the words came from Baelish. As he did later in the series in the Vale, Littlefinger exploited Lysa's past feelings for him and her weakness of mind.
@@Infernal460 Indeed. That's what we've been discussing. But it was Littlefinger who persuaded Lysa to poison Jon Arryn. Lysa was infatuated with Petyr, so it probably wouldn't take much to get her to do his bidding; perhaps he told her that with Jon dead they could be together. Why is the question? Was it Baelish's aim to create chaos in the realm by pushing Lannister and Stark against one another, or was his aim simply revenge against the Starks and nothing more. It was Baelish who told Brandon Stark that Rhaegar had abducted Lyanna, knowing full well the headstrong Brandon would storm off to confront the King. He certainly would have wanted revenge against Brandon, who had wounded him from throat to navel in their duel over Cat. Killing Jon Arryn would bring the last Stark of that generation, Ned (Benjen doesn't matter, being in the Night's Watch), to King's Landing. After the attack on Bran, when Cat followed Ned south, it was Baelish who told her the dagger belonged to Tyrion (it didn't, it was Robert's, ignore the travesty the show made). Perhaps Baelish convinced himself that if Ned could be removed from the scene permanently then he could resume his "love affair" with Cat, and be with her. Maybe that was his true goal all along. After her death at the Red Wedding, Baelish transfers his affections to Sansa, even telling people in the Vale that she is his bastard daughter.
@@franciscoancergomez3949We don't know what would happen if Ned followed Catelyn's advice. From my assessment, if Ned had not gone to the capitol, he would have declared open war against the Lannisters, which few houses wanted. Additionally, rather than be honorable, these houses could get paid by the Lannisters. Due to Ned's stubbornness and honor, betrayal of the Starks was inevitable.
He was still treated a lot better than most bastards. Cersei had Roberts killed and I can't imagine what her crazy sister lysa would've done to him it cats position. She never stopped her children either from having a relationship with him
Atlas24gh if she had lived I pretty sure she would have gotten over it and thanked him fir saving her children and saving her because some horror would have ended up to her journey back to winterfell as well I think jon would have understood upon learning what bran told him I am Sure bran would have told cat as well and she would feel like a shitty human devoting her life to Jon and helping him in everything I think Jon would understand tho why cat was the way she was. To him now he’s older and learns more bout the world and cat would have been downgraded a peg or two along the way humbling her high born lady status.
@fo exipni Their marriage was arranged, they did not know one another and had one night together before he went away for a year. Lady Stark gave birth to Robb during Ned's absence. Even if Jon Snow's mother had been someone else, why would you assume that she was a "common whore"? What a vicious thing to say.
I wish Ned had confided in her who Jon Snow really was. She would have carried that secret to her grave and been the mother that he really deserved and never had.
2:40-2:56 To a loyal Stark fan this short moment has to hit hard. Ned is mking the biggest decision of his life. Will he stay in Winterfell or go to Kings Landing where once two Stark men where horribly killed on the command of a king. Those men were his father and brother. He could only be thinking about what happened to them and what could possibly happen to him if he agrees to go to Kings Landing. What would become of his family? Us Stark fans wish he chose to stay at Winterfell but then we wouldn't have the fantastic show we have come to love.
Spot on. Damn, I love them together and their family. He truly is noble in every way and he should have been the king but I know he detested that iron throne.They were such a great family and respected and they were truly in love. Both of them went through hell and it broke my heart when they had such unexpected tragic ends. To this day that whole red wedding scenario still has me messed up.
MartialArtsCat101 What makes this amazing is that this was a marriage that started with duty and built over time. If only Robb listened or if only the others had such a luck.
Caitlyn is the worst in the books. This scene is actually reversed in the books. It's Caitlyn who begs Ned to go to Kings Landing and find out the truth. Multiple times, he refuses, and it's only when Maester Luwin says nearly the same lines does he accept.
Yeah Danerys got Drogo killed and Katelyn got Ned killed by telling him to trust Littlefinger .. but Ned would have done just as good job at getting killed without her help I suppose .. being the fool that he was .
2:40 is the moment where Ned had to make the biggest decision in his life. A decision that will determine the lives of his family members and of the realm. He made the wrong choice.
@Caesar King Robert made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Much as I would have loved him to stay in the north, and sensed the danger (tbh, I didn't know they were in that much danger) he and his family were in, he had to be the hand of the king. I wish they hadn't killed him in the first season of the series.
2:20 its like his conscience talking to him On his right i have a family wife and kids im living well why risk my life On his left his honor is talking to him hes my best friend i did swear an oath and hes in danger i gotta have his back
Damn Littlefinger! Cateyln Stark : Do you think she would risk her sons life if she wasn't certain. Me: Yes as a matter of fact she's a very unhinged woman.
@@FD-pi2gj to get what tho he started all this drama to get the throne and catelyn yet you would think for someone as smart as him he would know killing catelyns husband would not make her wan a fook him .
@@FD-pi2gj to get what tho he started all this drama to get the throne and catelyn yet you would think for someone as smart as him he would know killing catelyns husband would not make her wan a fook him .
Catelyn was right about him going to King's Landing. The last time his father and brother met a king, they got roasted. A woman's intuition is never wrong
This scene is the defining moment in the whole show. Had ned not received the letter before the king left he would have inclined to stay not become hand. Ned would rather live in peace having seen the letter after robert left but he had to make an impulsive choice here. What a genius piece of storytelling
I've just realised going back to this scene that there is an error, referring to Lysa's wedding to Jon Arryn. Cat says "she (meaning Lysa) hasn't been back to the Eyrie since her wedding night". But Jon & Lysa wed each other in Riverrun not the Eyrie. Its in the lore that there was a double wedding held at Riverrun during Roberts Rebellion; Ned wed Catelyn & Jon wed Lysa
Cat actually says that Lysa hasn't been back to the Eyrie SINCE her wedding which was, as you stated, at Riverrun. Not her wedding night, this means that Cat is saying since Lysa's marriage was to Jon Arryn, she probably went to the Eyrie after her marriage whilst Jon was fighting in the rebellion.
Despite my reply, it is also stated that Cat and Lysa remained in Riverrun so let's assume Lysa did get married in Riverrun in the double marriage just as in the books, would she have gone to the Eyrie to meet her betrothed? Maybe I'm just clutching at straws and it was an error idk 😂
Can you imagine if this family was like a sitcom in the 80s/90s? It would have been a husband, wife and their 7 kids! lol master Ludwin would be like the kids “grandfather” and sir Rodrick would have been that sarcastic “Jeffery from fresh prince “ lol with constant comments about how mouths to feed around here 😂
He choose the right decision here. At the end Robert would do the same, they are best friends and Ned shouldve protect his king and his best friend. But he was fool to believe baelish. He should ve gone with renly s plan
no going at all was the wrong plan. Ned could have made suggestions for other candidates. more politically inclined people that Robert can still 100% trust such as Yohn Royce and Brynden Tully.
Look at it again, it says this: "Robb, I write to you with a heavy heart. Our good king Robert is dead, killed from wounds he took in a boar hunt. Father has been charged with treason. He conspired with Robert’s brothers against my beloved Joffrey and tried to steal his throne. The Lannisters are treating me very well and provide me with every comfort. I beg you: come to King’s Landing, swear fealty to King Joffrey and prevent any strife between the great houses of Lannister and Stark." And it's signed with Sansa. Again, this is the letter Robb receiveded from Sansa in Season 1. If it was Lysa's letter, why on earth would that be beneficial for Arya to know? They're already at war with the Lannisters and the knights of the Vale are under Sansa and LF's command. The one Sansa wrote can tear a shift between Sansa and Arya creating chaos for Petyr.
Ned Stark, honorable and just man, died like a traitor in season 1. Reaction of the people : well, it's game of thrones! What did you expect? Dany died basically at the end of the Serie like a tyrant. People reactions : "bad writing".
It's called "buildup". Ned's death was shocking, but in hindsight makes sense if you follow the several episodes of characterization and buildup. Dany's death makes sense for *her actions* that she committed in the *very last episode* but the actions themselves make zero sense and the buildup was rushed. Even Emilia Clarke was surprised and horrified.
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When lysa sent that letter, she doomed so many houses and lives. The pen truly is mightier than the sword.
The letter was Littlefinger's doing, all part of his plan to create strife between Lannister and Stark. Catelyn burns it, but thanks to Bran, its contents later come back to bite Littlefinger in the ass!
@@ShanghaiRooster Lysa was equally to blame.
@@tessdurberville711 She held the quill, but the words came from Baelish. As he did later in the series in the Vale, Littlefinger exploited Lysa's past feelings for him and her weakness of mind.
@@ShanghaiRooster She also killed her own husband and then framed other people for the murder.
@@Infernal460 Indeed. That's what we've been discussing. But it was Littlefinger who persuaded Lysa to poison Jon Arryn.
Lysa was infatuated with Petyr, so it probably wouldn't take much to get her to do his bidding; perhaps he told her that with Jon dead they could be together. Why is the question? Was it Baelish's aim to create chaos in the realm by pushing Lannister and Stark against one another, or was his aim simply revenge against the Starks and nothing more. It was Baelish who told Brandon Stark that Rhaegar had abducted Lyanna, knowing full well the headstrong Brandon would storm off to confront the King. He certainly would have wanted revenge against Brandon, who had wounded him from throat to navel in their duel over Cat. Killing Jon Arryn would bring the last Stark of that generation, Ned (Benjen doesn't matter, being in the Night's Watch), to King's Landing. After the attack on Bran, when Cat followed Ned south, it was Baelish who told her the dagger belonged to Tyrion (it didn't, it was Robert's, ignore the travesty the show made). Perhaps Baelish convinced himself that if Ned could be removed from the scene permanently then he could resume his "love affair" with Cat, and be with her. Maybe that was his true goal all along. After her death at the Red Wedding, Baelish transfers his affections to Sansa, even telling people in the Vale that she is his bastard daughter.
Near the end, it looks like Cat and Luwin represent the classic "devil and angel on each shoulder" kind of thingy
Yes, that's what the comment track on the DVD said.
Yes but in the long run Catelyn is the angel and Luwin is the devil. Based solely on their advice, not in their characters.
@@franciscoancergomez3949We don't know what would happen if Ned followed Catelyn's advice.
From my assessment, if Ned had not gone to the capitol, he would have declared open war against the Lannisters, which few houses wanted. Additionally, rather than be honorable, these houses could get paid by the Lannisters. Due to Ned's stubbornness and honor, betrayal of the Starks was inevitable.
Catelyn is such a great and protective wife. only that she hates JOn Snow
He was still treated a lot better than most bastards. Cersei had Roberts killed and I can't imagine what her crazy sister lysa would've done to him it cats position. She never stopped her children either from having a relationship with him
Atlas24gh if she had lived I pretty sure she would have gotten over it and thanked him fir saving her children and saving her because some horror would have ended up to her journey back to winterfell as well I think jon would have understood upon learning what bran told him I am
Sure bran would have told cat as well and she would feel like a shitty human devoting her life to Jon and helping him in everything I think Jon would understand tho why cat was the way she was. To him now he’s older and learns more bout the world and cat would have been downgraded a peg or two along the way humbling her high born lady status.
@fo exipni Their marriage was arranged, they did not know one another and had one night together before he went away for a year. Lady Stark gave birth to Robb during Ned's absence. Even if Jon Snow's mother had been someone else, why would you assume that she was a "common whore"? What a vicious thing to say.
I wish Ned had confided in her who Jon Snow really was. She would have carried that secret to her grave and been the mother that he really deserved and never had.
One of the Best Roasts in all GoT: He only stops eating when it's time to drink
I do like the cinematography here, with Catelyn on one shoulder telling not to go and the Maester on the other saying he should go.
They were so happy back then. T_T
In the books this scene was post-coitus, lol. 😂
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I would love to watch lady Stark getting banged .... She's the undisputed top MILF across the seven kingdoms
2:40-2:56 To a loyal Stark fan this short moment has to hit hard. Ned is mking the biggest decision of his life. Will he stay in Winterfell or go to Kings Landing where once two Stark men where horribly killed on the command of a king. Those men were his father and brother. He could only be thinking about what happened to them and what could possibly happen to him if he agrees to go to Kings Landing. What would become of his family? Us Stark fans wish he chose to stay at Winterfell but then we wouldn't have the fantastic show we have come to love.
sure you would if the writing is good enough.
Spot on. Damn, I love them together and their family. He truly is noble in every way and he should have been the king but I know he detested that iron throne.They were such a great family and respected and they were truly in love. Both of them went through hell and it broke my heart when they had such unexpected tragic ends. To this day that whole red wedding scenario still has me messed up.
These two were the best couple by far.
+MartialArtsCat101
Im not that convinced, they seem to be at odd's from what we see of them.
Agreed!
MartialArtsCat101 What makes this amazing is that this was a marriage that started with duty and built over time. If only Robb listened or if only the others had such a luck.
@@Infernal460 They're not at odds they have certain disagreements at how to go about things.That's normal in a good marriage.
Caitlyn is the worst in the books. This scene is actually reversed in the books. It's Caitlyn who begs Ned to go to Kings Landing and find out the truth. Multiple times, he refuses, and it's only when Maester Luwin says nearly the same lines does he accept.
I've always loved these two. Although Khal Drogo and Daenerys loved each other, same as the other couples in GoT, nothing beats these two.
I agree great dynamic between maester Luwin and lord Eddard
@@shineboxofiran1899 lol
Yeah Danerys got Drogo killed and Katelyn got Ned killed by telling him to trust Littlefinger .. but Ned would have done just as good job at getting killed without her help I suppose .. being the fool that he was .
It was Littlefinger that ruined everything, conspiring with Lysa and sending lies to Catelyn...
disgusting human being. why are people so bad like this?
They are the best #PowerCouple of GoT. I miss them so much.
What's your opinion of Carissa Yip X Wesley So?
And to think Cat was promised to Brandon Stark before she married Ned! You'd never know based on this scene alone.
2:40 is the moment where Ned had to make the biggest decision in his life. A decision that will determine the lives of his family members and of the realm. He made the wrong choice.
@Caesar King Robert made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Much as I would have loved him to stay in the north, and sensed the danger (tbh, I didn't know they were in that much danger) he and his family were in, he had to be the hand of the king. I wish they hadn't killed him in the first season of the series.
2:20 its like his conscience talking to him
On his right i have a family wife and kids im living well why risk my life
On his left his honor is talking to him hes my best friend i did swear an oath and hes in danger i gotta have his back
Damn Littlefinger!
Cateyln Stark : Do you think she would risk her sons life if she wasn't certain.
Me: Yes as a matter of fact she's a very unhinged woman.
Lol
In Catelyns defense, she has not seen her sister in a while so does not know how unhinged lysa is.
@@sppotterstark8057 Cateylj did grow up with Lysa though, Cateylns whole story was just her making wrong decision after wrong decision
Michelle legit was robbed robbed of an Emmy let alone a nomination .
thus scene remijds me if a telltale choice
Omg, I wanted to post this. At 2:18, Catelyn moves like she's straight CGI
anyone noticed littlefinger theme at the end ?
He's been pulling the strings since the start
@@FD-pi2gj to get what tho he started all this drama to get the throne and catelyn yet you would think for someone as smart as him he would know killing catelyns husband would not make her wan a fook him .
@@FD-pi2gj to get what tho he started all this drama to get the throne and catelyn yet you would think for someone as smart as him he would know killing catelyns husband would not make her wan a fook him .
so begins the War of Five Kings.
Ned was about to say no until this letter.
all little fingers doing and that's why he was responsible for it
@@yahyarazi5597 im wel aware
Catelyn was right about him going to King's Landing. The last time his father and brother met a king, they got roasted. A woman's intuition is never wrong
This scene is the defining moment in the whole show. Had ned not received the letter before the king left he would have inclined to stay not become hand. Ned would rather live in peace having seen the letter after robert left but he had to make an impulsive choice here. What a genius piece of storytelling
Best scene of the entire series
The book makes Cat a better person than she actually is both her and Luwin go short of demanding Ned go South with the King.
I've just realised going back to this scene that there is an error, referring to Lysa's wedding to Jon Arryn. Cat says "she (meaning Lysa) hasn't been back to the Eyrie since her wedding night". But Jon & Lysa wed each other in Riverrun not the Eyrie.
Its in the lore that there was a double wedding held at Riverrun during Roberts Rebellion; Ned wed Catelyn & Jon wed Lysa
Cat actually says that Lysa hasn't been back to the Eyrie SINCE her wedding which was, as you stated, at Riverrun. Not her wedding night, this means that Cat is saying since Lysa's marriage was to Jon Arryn, she probably went to the Eyrie after her marriage whilst Jon was fighting in the rebellion.
Despite my reply, it is also stated that Cat and Lysa remained in Riverrun so let's assume Lysa did get married in Riverrun in the double marriage just as in the books, would she have gone to the Eyrie to meet her betrothed?
Maybe I'm just clutching at straws and it was an error idk 😂
Nuka Scotia cat had to share her wedding with Lysa
Sean Bean is hot. There. I said it.
Chris Peters oh honey I been shipping fictional Ned and cat Sean and Michelle since Jon got with Danny
this is not correct interpretation. In book, Catelynn was convincing Ned to go to King's landing to become Hand of the King.
The show version makes more sense.
@BlackDeathViral03 In Eddard's mind a Stark belongs to the North and his place is in Winterfell.
Ned and cat... Proving to everyone All marriages have secrets...
Blaklyon Den Radio oh yea his wife is legit making fun of his best friend the king 😂🤦🏿♀️
What secret?
@@EvilSapphireRNed never tells her about Jon....
@@juliohenrique8546 i wonder why i even commented that. Derp.
Gj Maester, great advice 😂
Do you notice she throws the message in the fire and looks at it
Can you imagine if this family was like a sitcom in the 80s/90s? It would have been a husband, wife and their 7 kids! lol master Ludwin would be like the kids “grandfather” and sir Rodrick would have been that sarcastic “Jeffery from fresh prince “ lol with constant comments about how mouths to feed around here 😂
So it takes a month to get from Winterfell too Kings Landing, shame they forgot about that and just had teleporting armies.
And then the shit begans
Is the song the Baelish theme?
Yup
Yeah a month wouldn’t be enough for my life
god damn maesters and their truths
we could argue the maester was the one who started the game of thrones
He choose the right decision here. At the end Robert would do the same, they are best friends and Ned shouldve protect his king and his best friend. But he was fool to believe baelish. He should ve gone with renly s plan
no going at all was the wrong plan.
Ned could have made suggestions for other candidates. more politically inclined people that Robert can still 100% trust such as Yohn Royce and Brynden Tully.
Who came here after watching today's episode?
That's not the letter Arya read. It's the one Robb received from Sansa telling about joffrey's death and Ned's treason.
PhluppeHimself look again clearly you can see the name lysa
Look at it again, it says this:
"Robb, I write to you with a heavy heart. Our good king Robert is dead, killed from wounds he took in a boar hunt. Father has been charged with treason. He conspired with Robert’s brothers against my beloved Joffrey and tried to steal his throne. The Lannisters are treating me very well and provide me with every comfort. I beg you: come to King’s Landing, swear fealty to King Joffrey and prevent any strife between the great houses of Lannister and Stark."
And it's signed with Sansa. Again, this is the letter Robb receiveded from Sansa in Season 1.
If it was Lysa's letter, why on earth would that be beneficial for Arya to know? They're already at war with the Lannisters and the knights of the Vale are under Sansa and LF's command.
The one Sansa wrote can tear a shift between Sansa and Arya creating chaos for Petyr.
PhluppeHimself 😅yeah I am wrong
Naveen kumar it quite clearly gets burned in this scene anyway lol
Catelyn was right about this though. Ned and everyone else never should’ve left Winterfell but alas…there would be no story if they didn’t.
Lysa died too easily. She should’ve gone out in more pain
Yow!
Ned Stark, honorable and just man, died like a traitor in season 1. Reaction of the people : well, it's game of thrones! What did you expect? Dany died basically at the end of the Serie like a tyrant. People reactions : "bad writing".
Let me get this straight, are you fucking defending the awful and rushed season 8?
@@MyKillyyit’s only awful and rushed cause it didn’t end the way you wanted it to.
It's called "buildup".
Ned's death was shocking, but in hindsight makes sense if you follow the several episodes of characterization and buildup.
Dany's death makes sense for *her actions* that she committed in the *very last episode* but the actions themselves make zero sense and the buildup was rushed. Even Emilia Clarke was surprised and horrified.