Yeah all the folks in the 7 kingdoms knew him and how he was just like tywin. Hated how they feel honor got him killed. The man was trying to do right for his family and village (the north)
@@MrKingNidge Barristan didn't approve of many of the things the mad king did. His honor as a king's guard is not based on the goodness of the king he is serving. His honor as a king's guard is based not only on how well he protected the king, how loyal he was, but his conduct in his own personal life. He went from being Robert's enemy, to being willing to die to protect Robert. In the case of Joffrey, it was never Joffrey was never going to be king, Robert wanted Ned to basically help Joffrey grow to becoming a good leader. You can even argue Barristan did not know Joffrey was a bastard (even if he had the strongest suspicions of him being so). As a king's guard, his first loyalty was to the king. Yes Joffrey and Cersei went against Robert's wishes, wishes Barristan understood came from Robert, but Barristan's first loyalty in that moment was to Joffrey, not to Ned. In that regard, Barristan was showing his honor. Ned certainly doesn't question it. Even when he is coming to arrest Ned, he wants no harm to come to Barristan. Ned understood Barristan was doing his duty.
@@jacobsabin2039 At some point you have to show common sense and an ability to think for your self, the way jamie and jon did, they acted when they needed too and did the right thing, Barristan on the other hand would of stood by the mad king/queen and allowed them to carry out there plan to slaughter the people in kings landing because it was the honorable thing in his eyes, at what point does honor become lunacy? Id say Barristan was more fanatical than honorable. Ned had his own warped views on honor and they almost destroyed his entire house.
@@ironlungslc9529Yet he did nothing in this scene that would protect the "king's words" and in essence the true regent. He played the room as much as the next guy.
@@postblitz In the books at least Barristan didn't knew what to do. Ned was acussed of treason right when he called Joffrey the unrightful heir and Barristan was sworn to the king. In the books he even hesitated to arrest Ned and I can tell that he hesitated in the show aswell. Maybe if things didn't happen too quickly Barristan could have decided to take Ned's side
+DeathtoRaiden1 The string is deliberately tied loose around the paper and then glued to the paper by the wax. If the seal was broken the string would just fall off rather than be stuck on.
The seal is a piece of wax that stickers to the paper, the thing he slide off is a piece of string. It's very common if you watch how letters are opened throughout the show.
DeathtoRaiden1 is right, the point of a wax seal is that it's sticks to the paper so you CAN'T JUST SLIDE IT OFF/OPEN A SEALED FOLDED LETTER. You have to break a seal if you want to read it and the fact that letter seals are slided off throughout the show is really odd, that makes no fucking sense!
Just like in s7, Tyrion to Varys, "what's in the letter? Anything interesting..?" Varys to Tyrion, "Pffft. It's a SEALED LETTER to the King in the North! No. Nothing interesting.'
leaving out alot of context arent you? Littlefinger tried everything at winterfell. he was like "nope i never did any of that." "ok i did it but im still lord protector so kiss my ass" then he finally was reduced to begging when Sansa and Royce were finally done with his shit
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Littlefinger wouldn't be stupid enough to be there in the first place. And as for his death if not for Bran's supernatural powers that whole scene wouldn't even happen. Most likely Arya and Sansa would try to kill each other if not for Bran.
@Abhinav Banerjee Jojo has a point however, when Ned Stark contemplated arresting the Queen with the City Watch, Littlefinger had to choose whether to side with the corrupt Lannisters who will work with him, reward him and bequeath him land and titles for doing their dirty work; or the incorruptible Ned Stark who will not reward Baelish for doing what is "his duty". So Littlefinger betrays Ned and helps facilitate the chaotic War of the 5 Kings and banks on the winning side. But now apparently he's stupid enough to work with the CHILDREN of the incorruptible Ned Stark as if they won't inherit his ideas and reward him? Total U-Turn, I don't think Littlefinger would've actually kept the Vale Army in Winterfell where his KNOWN enemy Lord Royce can congregate with the Starks. A typical Littlefinger move would've been to assassinate Jon Snow and put Sansa in charge and play off the Lannisters (who he was still on good terms with) and the North by feeding both sides false intelligence and siding with the winner. If he loses or gets caught, the Vale is virtually impenetrable with mountains and the Eyrie to defend.
He’s so disappointed that renly booked it but it’s actually Renly who did the smart thing. He had a better chance of cutting out the Lannisters from outside than from inside. Imagine if he and Stannis had worked together.
hell, Renly probably would have won if his kin-killing brother hadn't cheated and brought magic to the fight. And considering that the Queen of Thorns would have probably been the true ruler behind Renly's throne, it might have worked out well, at least until she died from old age
Her hunger for power killed her family. While I was hoping she had a painful death, what we got was enough. All of this wouldn't have happened if she had honored the late King's words. Her two kids and dad would probably still be alive if she did.
@@namrata9218 i guess you haven't met many narcissists before, have you? Cersei gave zero fucks about her kids, she only cared about the power that she had, thanks to her kids via proxy. Fucking hell, she's almost directly responsible for the death of Tommen, her last surviving kid.
Her biggest mistake is she didn't discipline Joffrey enough and put him immediately to the throne just because she can't stand Robert anymore and she's also responsible for the War of 5 Kings. Because she's a spoiled Daddy's rich girl who thinks she can do whatever she wants because she was born from rich and privilege family while in fact, she's a coward who can't do anything without her Daddy. After Tywin died, she becomes nothing and her mistakes make The Lannisters name very bad and bury to the ground.
Going to Cersei to warn her was the biggest mistake Ned did. He could've told Robeet directly, should've made Robert deal with Cersei, Joffrey and Tywin. Ned could've taken in the youngest two children like he did with Theon, if he was so concerned with their safety, and declared Joffrey as traitor and let him be executed
@@nathanc4317 Yes we do talk about the season, a) because it happened, and b) because it's a contradiction season but many people (more than 1 million as the petition) liked it.
@@nathanc4317 Yes we do talk about the season, a) because it happened, and b) because it's a contradiction season but many people (more than 1 million as the petition) liked it.
Stefan Dakovski it had it's moments but it's too fookin rush. The night king should have had a good fight atleast once before dying to arya. The long night was so hyped but the red wedding took more many main characters than that 8 season hyped war not to mention book euron is 100x more powerful and one of the most sinister villans that wants to become a god. I bet book euron would kill a dragon 100x better if the final books comes out
What are talking about? There are only 6 Seasons. GoT went into a hiatus to wait for GRR Martin to finish the books. And D&D miraculously died in a fire.
@@masterplokoon8803 he didn't "side" with Cersei. He just heard Ned saying Jeoffrey has no claim to the throne. For which he is unknighted by her later on. It's like you haven't seen this yet.
@@CDoomer he should have arrested Cersei the moment she tore up king Robert's will. As regent Ned lawfully had the power of a king and he just stood there allowing Cersei to dictate everything when she had no authority.
When you see the former kings seal with a message, you obey it no matter what. looks like these kingsguard soldiers have no loyalty and not trained enough. same with every soldier in that room.
+AllHeadsDownTV unfortunately for Ned, except Barristan Selmy most of the Kingsguard present are useless pricks: Meryn Trant, Boros Blount Preston Greene isn't too bad, and Balon Swann was good- but with Ned calling out Joffrey on being a bastard without proof kinda screwed himself over-they didn't know and have guarded this kid for years
In theory, they should have obeyed, but the kingsguard is corrupt and follows the money. Barristan is probably the last honourable man left on it and unlike Ned, Barristan is smart enough to see when he is outmanoeuvred.
So all these soldiers decided to ignore the king's words and preferred to serve a petulant child and his psycho mom rather than the wise and honourable Stark?
The lannister soldiers serve house lannister not the king. The city watch's job is to protect the city not the king. Only the King's guard is loyal to the king but there is nothing 6 men could've done.
@@ThatHungryAfricanChild 6 knights against 2000 gold cloaks plus cersei's house hold guards yeah no. They could take on maximum 20 before they would be surrounded and killes.
“Until the heir come of age”. So sneaky Ned wrote that instead of, “until my son come of age”, which is what I believe Robert told him to write on his deathbed. Ned rarely made a play like that.
@@jimpavlyuchenko9420 not a stupid question :) it's actually "comes of age", you spotted a mistake which means you understand the rules very well. Until I/we/you/they come of age Until he/she/it comeS of age
1:14 The moment Ned walks into the throne room is just perfection. The buildup to this point and the tension in the air with the stakes as high as they are, and of course Djawadi's amazing music. One of the best moments in the entire series.
Everyone who betrayed Ned that day found justice: - Barristan Selmy realized his mistake and went to serve Daenerys - Janos Slynt beheaded by Jon Snow - Littlefinger assassinated by the Stark children - Cercei killed by Daenerys - Joeffrey killed by Olenna
Ned was a good man, honourable. But he was no hero. A hero is someone who is willing to do what is needed to save others. Ned did the exact opposite of it...in the name of "honor".
@@dr.finnegan3949 Ned acted rationally and is 100% a hero. Some many crazy acts of chance helped the Lannisters at every turn. Your definition of a hero is stupid. A hero exemplifies honour and courage, and is not determined by his success or failure.
@@KD--sj8eo Tho I hate to say it, in a cynical way he is right. History is written by the victors. They get to pick and chose the heroes of the story.
Ned's real mistake was saying Joffrey had no claim to the throne at that moment. He should have just focused on Robert naming him protector of the realm, gotten Cersei and Joffrey out of there, and then revealed the truth.
@@V1ert Fair point, but I think Selmy would have taken Ned's side if he only mentioned being protector of the realm because that was Robert's final wish. And with Selmy on his side, maybe others fall in line. He had enough respect and authority and fear of his skill that some might have backed down.
He didn't say Joffrey wasn't Robert's son. He said he had no claim to the throne, which was true as stated in Robert's letter. Ned wasn't attacking Joffrey's lineage right here, he was attacking his political authority.
@@dextercochran4916 But he did have claim to the throne. The letter only names him as regent. Which isn't assuming the throne, just rulling on its behalf. In fact, Ned is fucking himself by saying it. He was named as *Joffery's* Regent. Because he never told Robert of the incest, Robert believed Joffery to be his son. Ned fucked it all up. Without Joffery there's no Regent, removing his own authority. He definetly should have pretended Joff was the rightful king, bent the knee, but maintain he is regent. Then he could have more time to properly shift things. Littlefinger and the City Watch only killed them when they openly moved against them. Had he bent the knee, they probably wouldn't have. Even an idiot like Cersei knows murdering the Lord Paramount of the North is a stupid move. She'd have probably relented in the moment and began scheming like she always does. It's clear Ned fucked himself royally in this scene.
The hound looking confused at 4:16 I'd a gem. He's a truthful man. He knows the way the world works amd something isn't adding up. He's ready to kill but just isn't quite sure who... very nicely done
"You grew up with actors, you Learned their craft and you learnt it well. But I grew up with soldiers. I learned how to die a long time ago" - Lord eddard stark
We’ve seen what those heroes would do if they enter a throne room or royal hall staffed by pretenders to the throne. Just imagine how much of a bloody carnage that would be
AND S They would leave there weapons by the door, except gandalfs “walking“ staff, then they would beat up everyone in the room but not kill them. Ned took his staff and sword inside and lost. So the not so harmful way seems to be better.
We must still apreciate how Eddard, seeing his men butchered, facing overwhelming numbers and at least two insanely talented swordsmen, with his leg injured and no chance of success whatsoever, immediately reached for his sword and was ready to just go at it.
Many people seem to miss that Ned destroyed his only chance of getting others in this room on his side, when he questioned Joffreys claim. He had the words of the King on his side, but those words did not mention anything about Joffrey not beeing his son, so when he questioned Joffreys claim without any proof right there and then he technically commited treason. That way even the few that had some kind of honor in there could not really help him.
Nah at this point it was already too late.. Littlefinger had the city watch in his pockets and the kingsguard and lannisters were cersei's.. As Littlefinger said "gold wins wars, not honor"... Ned's best move would have been to just leave the city with renly and take headquarters at storms end, send ravens to the north calling the banners, summon the tullys and the arryns too, and start what would have been known as 'the hand's rebellion'
@@oscarbautista4156 the Kingsguard was not set yet. He would have had chances to persuade them. And the kingsguard is extremely powerful. With them on his side he would not necessarily have succeeded but he would have had a chance.
@@oscarbautista4156 only problem with that fact is that Ned announced that Stannis should be the rightful heir to the throne not Renly. and if Ned questioned Renlys claim he would of been killed regardless. Ned had honor but also did not have a filter which led to his demise
@@lrnr466 we would never know but I think that Ned would have been able to talk renly out of his intentions to claim the throne, honestly, renly had no business whatsoever with wanting to be king.. If anyone would have been able to get him back to sense and make common cause to remove the real enemy (the lannisters).. that person could only be Ned
No one understands Ned at all. “He’s stupid” “he’s a fool” “he should have blah blah blah.” Ned did what he thought was right, always, in the most direct manner possible. He didn’t believe in machinations. He was ready to die. He didn’t realize how self-destructively insane Joffrey was, but no one did until it was too late.
He did the right thing ? Thats laughable, where was the right thing when he knows jon is the true heir and the king ? Where was his honor when he treated him like a a real bastard and saw him go to watch and give up his titles ? The right thing to do is help his nephew get his throne and telling him the truth
He was smart too. Only reason petry and golden cloaks betray him is because stupid sansa told cersei they will leave. So cersei understood the sitution and take the offensive. If there was no sansa, stannis would be on the throne right now. He would not need redgod to gain power so everything would be okey. Sansa is the reason Ned fell. Catleyn is the reason Robb fell. M*therf*cker redheads.
@@faam6149 spoilers but i doubt Ned would have much support trying to make Jon (who would be considered a targaryen bastard since no one knows lyanna and rhaegar secretly married yet) and i don't think ned is the type to idiotically lose the north and most likely his head trying to install a "bastard" even though jon is unknowingly the rightful heir
@@emperorpphed6561 fax, the more i grow up the more i realize ned was a chad. He didnt care about the stupid game the high lords played, he just wanted justice and to do what was right. RIP
Werd. Watching season 1 now feels like watching a show about ghosts, its like "hes dead, hes dead, shes dead, hes crippled, hes only got one hand, hes dead..."
+James Gardner "Anyone else watch Season 1 scenes and play the "who's still alive?" Game?" I watch season 1 to remind myself why Jaime Lannister and Gregor Clegane are evil cunts. Apparently it only takes seven seasons for child-murdering bastards to redeem themselves to the point of being heroes.
George Davies There is a difference between honor and stupidity. I think you are missing the point of the series entirely. Winning the 'game of thrones' isn't an accomplishment if it means losing your soul
Drac39 I don't think you can sum up this series entirely by a point, especially not one as shallow as not "losing your soul to win". You see in the Game of Thrones you either win or you die. There is no place for "soul" searching
Shallow? I don't think it's shallow. What makes GOT compelling is the characters and the reasons the pretenders feel the throne is theirs. You accuse me of summing up the series and then you do so by giving that tag line.
I suppose you would rather have a realm at war with the Lannisters. Ned was in no means a man who wanted anyone to die, even his enemy's that he knew would stoop to lows to kill him. That's what makes a true hero, a man who does not take shortcuts, does not scheme, cause it's the smart way to do thing, a man who only passes a sentence of death when it's nessecary. An honourable man who was not meant to be a hero, but a simple man with a wolf's honour.
I like how everyone in that room who had an issue with the Lannisters taking control all defected to Daenerys in their own way eventually. Barriston by being kicked out of the kings guard, the hound by running from battle and going off on his own for a while and Varys by biding his time until breaking Tyrion out of jail. That type of dishonorable behavior by the Lannisters bit them in the butt.
What I like about this scene and Ned's character as a whole is that the possibility of betrayal and the threats against his life and his freedom don't sway his actions whatsoever. Sure, he may have thought that Petyr and the city watch would support him, but that wouldn't actually make him act any different even if he knew they would betray him. Similarly, even when he's in jail and his position is doomed he isn't swayed by the threats and he doesn't compromise until he dies. People who look at that and call him foolish, for not seeing the betrayal coming, for staying in king's landing unlike Renly and Stannis, for supposedly "hoping" that cersei and the others would be honorable, are missing the point. The honour that Ned upholds is a social institution, what in philosophy is called the golden rule; "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", and it is anything but foolish. Because the only way to have a stable and prosperous society is when people at least mostly uphold that honour, without it society collapses and even the people who think they are taking advantage of it won't be safe for long. Sure, people like Cersei and Joffrey can be opportunistic and shameless for their own gains, but all they are doing is unravelling the fabric of society and creating the chaos and lawlessness that will ensure their eventual downfall. Because without that honour to hold things together, everyone else is gonna start acting just as shamelessly as you are, in other words it's a negative sum game for everyone involved. That is also what Martin wants to show us later in the story, especially in a feast for crows, where lawlessness and opportunism have escalated to a point where the entire country is devastated and plagued with crime, most of the pretenders are dead or dying, politics have devolved into backstabbing and scheming all around, and society as a whole is much poorer. In other words, Ned isn't foolish enough to think that everyone will surely uphold the same honour he does, he simply understands that compromising on that honour is a slippery slope that ends up being even worse for everyone than his supposedly "pointless" death could ever be.
+Antaqua R Ned wanted peace above all. He knew that his best chance at stability within the realm was to seize power in Kings Landing and then pass the crown to Stannis.
I think they went with the flashbacks instead, that way there wont be a gap between "Game of thrones" and that hypotetical prequel story. All in the same flow
I love the moment when Ned is told Robert is dead. You really get the sense that not only has a legendary figure passed, but also a friend - a best friend.
Ned was a fool. When he heard Renly being Roberts brother fleeing, He should have taken Roberts letter and fled North to his bannerman and send raven asking them to surrender or declare North independent.
If I were Ned stark I’d just drop it and resign as hand of the king and pray I could negotiate peace with Tywin Lannister, preventing war is honourable.
@@mijanhoque1740 that wasn't revenge, it was just pointless bloodshed that they did not want to be part off, the Stark soldiers wanted to remain in the North, not fight in King's Landing.
This such a unique scene where when I always come back to it, no matter how many times I've seen it this scene still makes me hope something different would happen in the scene where Ned Stark emerges victorious, but the result is always the same.
Poor Selmy, caught in the crossfire. Both Eddard and Cersei tugging his arm. I read many comments about how Selmy should have ordered his men to arrest Cersei and Joffrey but remember, most of the Kingsguard men were Lannister supporters (Jaime, Meryn Trant, etc.) and Selmy was probably the only true knight in the room.
Actually Mandon Moore is a valeman loyal to Lord Arryn before his death, considering Jaime thinks he's 3rd best Kingsguard after himself and Selmy he must be alright. And Selmy only has 6 men in the room and Trant and Greenfield are Lannister men
Wasn't Boros Blount also the one that Varys named as Cersei's creature?? And as far as I remember, Arys Oakhart was also a fairly decent person, as well as Balon Swann, who replaces Preston Greenfield after the riot in ACOK/S2?
sumit dalal Selmy and Slynt were polar opposites. Selmy is a man of true honor whose mere name demands respect. Slynt is a loud mouthed, vain coward who only cares about money
Brandon Stark was arrested, Ser Barristan watched sadly. Keeping his oath. Rickard Stark was arrested, Ser Barristan watched sadly. Keeping his oath. Rickard Stark was burnt, Ser Barristan watched sadly, Hating his oath. Brandon Stark choked to death. Ser Barristan watched sadly, Obeying his king. Ned Stark was arrested, Ser Barristan watched sadly, Obeying his king. Ned Stark is beheaded, and Ser Barristan watched sadly. SER BARRISTAN, YOU SER, ARE #1 WATCHER OF THE YEAR! YOU SER GET A FREE PASS TO THE NIGHTS WATCH!
That's the flaw of the KG oath, man. It just sucks. They are to obey and protect the king they are sworn to no matter what even at the cost of their soul. Jaime gained the name "Kingslayer" for breaking his oath and killing his king yet he just did which seemed right in order to save King's Landing and the thousands of live from being burned by caches of wildfire. Still, he was seen as a traitor and villain for that. Even Ned viewed him with utter disgust and crucified him for that.
@Sean King , To be fair, Jamie did it when it was already game over for the Mad King. Lannister army were sacking the city at the time when mad king ordered him to bring him Tywin’s head. No one else was by Mad King’s side. All other kingsguards were not available.
It's interesting from Barristan's perspective. He doesn't know for sure that Joffrey is illegitimate. Assuming Joffrey is a Barratheon even if Ned is pronounced Regent even if Joffrey is not crowned he is still considered king but just without power. So Ned actually f'd up by saying Joffrey has no claim to the throne here because from Barristan's perspective and duty that's actually treason. I guess Ned thought that since the city watch is loyal to the iron throne that since he is acting regent he is sitting on the throne until Joffrey comes of age so they would follow him. Unfortunately time and time again we see Ned is a fool because he believed others would do as he would do, he never thought from other people's perspective or considered their interests and desires.
True. He could have (somewhat) diffused the situation by saying that Joff would be king in a few years but for the time being, he was going to act as regent. The words of king Robert were law before his death, meaning technically, the kings guard (and anyone really) would have to serve Ned, or be a traitor. It would have been very interesting to see how that argument would have played out. But of course, I think that dishonorable men outnumbered the honorable, so the difference would have been neligible
He allowed discontentment and enmity in his family between Lady Stark and Jon Snow rather than just tell his wife the truth that Jon was legitimate and an orphan. Ned was always a fool
I don't think a lot of people realize that Ned Stark wasn't stupid. He knew what was going on and he knew that staying in King's Landing certainly meant risking his life. But he wasn't afraid of dying, what he was afraid of was tucking his tail between his legs and letting the Lannisters take over
His entire stay in King's Landing is kind of meant to show that he is in fact rather stupid. He's an honorable and good man, but he isn't the most clever around. Certainly he knew the risks of confronting the queen, but he thought he was prepared. I doubt he would've asked for the help of the city watch if he knew they would stab him and his men in the back.
Oh he was stupid and naive. He lived under the impression that his opponents played fair. He is the child playing Monopoly that announces when they are given extra money and return them. Cersei is the one that steal from the bank, gaslights other players into thinking she had bought a property and just 'forgot to take the card'. Ned expected that letter to be a trump card that would compel the Kingsguard to defend him but Selmy was a mindless fool, he trusted Petyr and Slynt. That's why he was disappointed Renly left - he expected him to do the honorable thing, not the smart thing.
Some people played honourably and died. Others played dishonourably and died. It's always so funny when I hear people mock Ned for the former, as if the latter never happened.
he is as a matter of fact a retard. trusting a man that wanted to fuck his wife for years to be on his side. when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die
No but he wasn’t exactly Tyrion or Tywin either. You can keep your honor but still have a filter. For example: if he hadn’t questioned Joffrey’s claim, he might’ve been able to get Barristan and a good chunk of the Kingsguard on his side and that might’ve been enough to turn the battle around.
TheCaptainmarvell pity ned had his leg like it was, or else like you said it could have been a pretty epic fight, when they assaulted him at the brothel he killed like six of them himself..
TheCaptainmarvell I would love to see that. I am certain the battle would end when the City runs out of men (and the occasional woman) to throw at them.
TheCaptainmarvell I agree in the show Ned is badass with a sword but in the books he's above average at best. A skilled strategist but not anything special when it comes to swordsmanship. Just saying
I do wonder what exactly he knew and whether he did anything to influence the outcome. We see later that he wants to have an incompetent Lannister running things so the people will welcome the Targaryen heir (Aegon at this point, later Danaerys) when that heir returns from Essos. He admits to Ned in Ned's cell that he could free Ned, but he's not going to. At any rate I'd be very surprised if he didn't know what Littlefinger and Janos Slynt planned to do.
+Sam Trott And then theres getting fucked over by the people you think are on your side. It was like 50+ men against what? 10 people protecting Joffrey? He got betrayed fam. Theres a difference between not being smart and getting backstab like that.
AzzRaze I didn't say I looked down upon it? Don't twist my words. Everyone else was playing carefully, forming alliances not being too bold and just waiting for the perfect time to attack. Ned was unaware of the mechanisms and the intricate system that was already at play before he was even in Kings Landing.
Joffrey is lucky Brandon Stark died because if it was him well Ned Stark was a exception the other Starks were more in line with Attila the Hun Brandon would have killed Cersei before she had a chance to do anything then he would have finished what he started on Baelish
Ned: "In the name of the Iron Throne, you're under arrest, Prince Joffrey." Joffrey: "Are you threatening me, Lord Stark?" Ned: "King Stannis will decide your fate." Joffrey: "I _am_ the King!" Ned: "Not. Yet." Joffrey: "It's treason, then!" Littlefinger: *[after betraying Ned]* "Your Grace, I told you this would happen! Stannis and the Starks are taking over!"
Sansa: Wh-what have I done? I have supported the wrong man! Cersei: you're fulfilling your destiny, Lady Stark....join me....and we shall rule this Westeros Sansa: no Your Grace....I am a Stark...like my father before me! Cersei: ah....pity. So be it...Stark.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 And then Joffrey twirls through the air while brandishing his red lightsaber. Immediately cuts down 3 of Ned's guards with ease and then battles Ned in an epic fight.
Everyone talks about how stupid the honorable Ned Stark is, but really, this is probably the best way anyone without actual clout could've handled it. He A) Brought armed men (just the wrong ones) B) Attacked Joffrey's legitimacy BEFORE he was formally crowned C) Had Robert's proclamation read by a neutral, trusted third party, in full public view, in front of many influential figures D) Did not immediately freak out and try to have Joffrey and Cersei immediately killed, thereby reinforcing the legitimacy of Ned's claim I mean really, I probably would've done the same thing.
Trust no one on the small council. Literally no one. One's a spy master, one's a known backstabber, one's a peverted old man who only wants power, and one is a woman who kills all in her path. I wouldn’t trust any of them (except Varys when he turned to serve Daenerys.)
I don't buy this scene, there is no way that Selmy would ignore the King's words simply because Cersei tore down the page they were written on. It would have been far more realistic for him to order his men to arrest her.
+Tammyaway Yeah, the same thing bugged me as well. Not only that but, Selmy, a supposed man of honor didn't even offer to serve as Eddard's champion in a trial by combat to preserve Eddard's honor. At least he got the death he deserved for that.
Don't forget about Brandon Stark because he now has the gift to foresee the past and the future since he became the Three Eyed Raven. If he looks into the past to find out that Little Finger sold his father out, then he'll tell both Sansa and Jon the truth about the betrayal. Let's also hope that Brandon will also tell Jon about his parents being Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryan.
Johan Dale You realize LF is responsible for the death of the 2 most despised characters in the show right? Joffrey would still be king and Ramsay Warden of the North if not for LF.
*The music from 0.55 to 1.53* ... The growing intimidating atmosphere, the rapidly looming fear of unknown future... Can't get ANY BETTER than that. *One of the best themes* of the entire saga.
Ned foolishly tried to delegitimise Joffrey's entire claim to the throne without proof, at the same time as trying to prove he'd been made regent. If he only did the latter, more people in that throne room might have defended him.
That’s a good point. Ned was way too quick with the claims. He should’ve first consolidated power as regent and then over time gather evidence for Joffrey’s true parentage and then exposed him if he truly felt like justice needed to be served. Or just do what Littlefinger suggested and only expose the secret if Joffrey and the Lannisters started opposing Ned’s power.
Still the same conclusion. The problem is everyone in the room seemed corrupted(except ned, selmy) Little finger and varys are plotting against the entire nation, maybe varys had some good intention but still he wanted the chaos. The city watch obeyed to gold, they don't give a fuck who is legitimate and who isn't (money rules). The Lannister soldiers follow jofferys command.
No matter what evidence he had, city watch was already sold to Jeffrey. If he would have brought his north army along with him in the kings court, then he might would have a chance
Jean Bombeurdu93 at the end of ep 5 you just see the roofing collapsing. There’s no hard proof that Cercei is dead though she may have survived it. We’ll see
Theo Liem Norell ummm, you see the roof collapse on the kings guard, Cersei and qyburn right before the Cleganebowl. It’s just a matter of how it lands on them if it’s fatal or not🤦♂️
I'm just curious why Ser Barristan, as a loyal knight to king Robert, did not stand with Stark? Robert gave the order and signed it while he was still alive, making Stark's authority as regent absolute. Defending him would have been his sworn duty as Jeoffrey was technically not yet King and Cersei was not in authority either.
Adam Reiter the royal family was house baratheon, not lannister. he was bound to protect both sides. by not acting later he betrayed the royal family by denying the next family in line the throne.
He was confused as fuck But tearing the paper was enough reason to arrest Cersei. It doesn't matter Ned commited treason by denying Joffrey as the true King but Cersei also disobeyed the King's commands by tearing up that paper.
This doesn't happen im the books. Cersei simply dont command anything to Barristan. Besides, Ned was commiting treason either way. So he couldn't help him anyway.
Cersei: "Protector of the Realm... Is this meant to be your shield, Lord Stark? *rips paper in half* A piece of paper?" Reasonable random guard: "Um... can she do that? I'm fairly certain she can't do that." Ned: "Your son has no claim to the throne." Reasonable random guard: "Woah, dude. That's a pretty heavy accusation right there. Any substantial evidence to back that u--" Joffery: "Kill him! KILL ALL OF THEM!!! I COMMAND IT!!!" Reasonable random guard: "Woah there! This is escalating pretty damn fast! Weren't we just having a conversatio--" Littlefinger(?): "NOW!" *death and carnage* Reasonable random guard: "Um... guys?" *more death and carnage* Reasonable random guard: "...Hello?" *even more death and carnage* Reasonable random guard: "Fuck this, I quit." If only they had listened to that one reasonable random guard...
A. Clancularius I wasen't referring to Baristan. Dude's probably the only swordsman in Westeros aside from Arthur Dayne who could take Jaime Lannister in his prime. I KNOW he ain't a random. I just made up a random guard character who speaks for the audience, that's all.
I see comments of Ned "being an idiot" everywhere o.o Personally, I think it's just that KL is full of backstabbing, liars, and basically bad people in general. Ned was basically a foreigner in that place, not used to the "customs" of KL. I didn't even think he wanted to be part of the stuff that happened there. I don't think he's stupid bc of his honor. He tried helping, at least.
+ღLaurette Faron ルマღ Anybody who is calling him an idiot for believing the best in people are cynical cunts who deserve whatever awfulness they get in life.
He's basically a midwestern senator in Washington DC (We'll go with Mr Smith Goes to Washington). A Man with principles and morals, trying to fit into a place where no one else has time for principles, or place for morals.
@@TheOnceandFutureJake yeah there was no coronation at this point. Him sitting on that throne was the equivalent to Jaime sitting on the throne after he killed the mad king.
@@Lite727 Not necessarily. In the words of Tywin Lannister: “do you think a crown gives you power?” Coronations are merely ceremonial. It’s not like the moment you get a crown you’re suddenly the king. If Joffrey was not a bastard then he still would’ve been the rightful king the moment Robert died. And since the vast majority of people didn’t know Joffrey was a bastard, then he did indeed seem like the rightful king and was treated as such. But if you’re talking in the general sense since he is indeed a bastard, then yea he isn’t the rightful king, but again, in the words of Varys, “power resides where men believe it resides.” So even as a bastard, he’s still the king because everyone said he is. It’s the same reason why Cersei became Queen later despite having no claim. Just because you don’t have a good claim doesn’t mean you can’t be king/Queen.
This moment was probably one of my biggest gripes with this series. Like I know, characters had their own schemes in the work and all that, but no matter who Littlefinger paid off, Cersei committed treason the moment she tore that paper.
Ned was the perfect foil of what we want in a protagonist. Honest, and good. But in the game of thrones, honesty can get you killed. His betrayal and death ultimately sets the tone for the rest of the story, that being good doesnt keep you alive.
When I watch this I find it hard to forgive D&D for Cersei’s underrated death. Drogon should have dragged her round kings landing before burning her. Smh
@@JJ-zy3zv tbh that why got turned wrong in the end people dont get or die the way they deserve it suppose to be realistic not a fairy tail, even if she did all the most horrible things possible in life some people still get away with it or day a way too soften death for theirs crimes
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 I agree. Cersei loved power just as much as she loved her children. Everything she did for power and for all of it to come crashing down was more than appropriate in my humble opinion.
3:11 this is my biggest gripe with Game of Thrones. If the Will had Robert's seal on it, and Robert WAS King, and the seal was legitimate, why is Cersei holding all the power as far s she can openly rip the King's final Will & Testament in front of everyone like it was nothing and it's forgotten? then again there wouldn't be much of a story, would there?
possession is 9/10th of the law. They had the throne with the city watch and most of the kings guard already following them. One man (sir barriston) could not stop this from happening
yes, but Ser Barristan was Lord Commander of the Kings Guard, all he had to do was say 'arrest them', but perhaps it is Eddard Stark's fault for not confiding in him first about Joffrey's lineage.Just a testament to the amazing characters in the books, where you can almost believe they are real and not the imagination of a writer.
THEYLIVE2012 Ser Barristan couldn't order the City Watch aka the Gold Cloaks. The King's Guard in that room were blindly loyal to a rotten boy king which in turn made them rotten, like Ser Meryn who hit Sansa. He couldn't order anyone.
THEYLIVE2012 Well my gripe with other stories is that one man can talk or fight his way out of any situation. Plus the majority of the men in that room including the city watch were loyal to the Lannisters. Even if they didn't scheme this situation it would still be 2 of the most powerful politicians arguing over the line of succession when most people believed Joffrey was Roberts true son.
It’s so frustrating to see Ned be so smart and so stupid at the same time. Robert really did describe him best, “an honorable fool.” The first thing he should’ve done when hearing of Robert’s death was high tail it out of King’s Landing and either head back to Winterfell to prepare for war, or maybe try to join up with Renly or Stannis to support their claims to the throne.
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"We stand behind you Lord Stark" Most treacherous phrase on entire history
Well you have to stand behind a guy to stab him in the back.
“We stab behind you Lord Stark!”
“What?”
“Er, stand, STAND behind you Lord Stark!”
@Ayalus The bastard killer got killed by somewhat a bastard. I know he is a Targaryen but it just fits.
@@johnhein2539 lol 🤣
Most treacherous words: "Eren, I'm armored and he's a collosal"
2:49
Cersei: "May I see that letter ser Barristan?"
Ser Barristan: "no"
*Series ends*
And they all lived happily ever after
No.
1:52
Joffrey: "I command the council to make all the arrangments for my coronation."
Ned: "As you wish, your grace."
Series ends.
😂😂😂
Still a better ending than Season 8.
@@mbxmusic5256 why ned stark say your grace to a stupid boy joffrey??
His biggest mistake was not bringing Gondor army with him.
Lol
Where was Gondor??
@@jviews7
Lord of The Rings reference.
@@MrBullet888 mine too;)
Where was Gondor when King Robert fell? Where was Gondor when the enemy was plotting against Ned? No, my lord Landstalker, he was alone:(
Ned was only alive for like 7 episodes and he had such an impact on the whole story and everyone who watched the series
Because North remembers
Sean Bean was perfect as a casting choice. He has every character trait in real life as on screen.
Legend has it that his last words uttered were “they took the little ones” 😢
Yeah all the folks in the 7 kingdoms knew him and how he was just like tywin. Hated how they feel honor got him killed. The man was trying to do right for his family and village (the north)
@@victorymansions facts bro ! Even better that he played two legendary medieval-ish characters lol
"Is your Father alive ?
- No My Lord.
- What killed Him ?
- Loyalty My Lord . "
Which conversation is this from?
@@melonenkopf2790when Arya pretending to be a slave, talked with Tywin Lennister, in that castle who has been destroyed by dragons centuries ago.
@@LorenzoD2805 Ah, I remember, thank you!
@@LorenzoD2805 Exactly
@@melonenkopf2790 Arya and tywin
Barristan sounds so distraught when he says, “Those were the King’s words”
"Ser Barristan, i believe no man here could ever question your honnor."
@@mcgiver6977 yet he would of been happy to serve under Joffrey knowing he was a Bastard born through incest, not very honorable in my book.
@@MrKingNidge Barristan didn't approve of many of the things the mad king did. His honor as a king's guard is not based on the goodness of the king he is serving. His honor as a king's guard is based not only on how well he protected the king, how loyal he was, but his conduct in his own personal life. He went from being Robert's enemy, to being willing to die to protect Robert. In the case of Joffrey, it was never Joffrey was never going to be king, Robert wanted Ned to basically help Joffrey grow to becoming a good leader. You can even argue Barristan did not know Joffrey was a bastard (even if he had the strongest suspicions of him being so). As a king's guard, his first loyalty was to the king. Yes Joffrey and Cersei went against Robert's wishes, wishes Barristan understood came from Robert, but Barristan's first loyalty in that moment was to Joffrey, not to Ned. In that regard, Barristan was showing his honor. Ned certainly doesn't question it. Even when he is coming to arrest Ned, he wants no harm to come to Barristan. Ned understood Barristan was doing his duty.
@@jacobsabin2039 At some point you have to show common sense and an ability to think for your self, the way jamie and jon did, they acted when they needed too and did the right thing, Barristan on the other hand would of stood by the mad king/queen and allowed them to carry out there plan to slaughter the people in kings landing because it was the honorable thing in his eyes, at what point does honor become lunacy? Id say Barristan was more fanatical than honorable.
Ned had his own warped views on honor and they almost destroyed his entire house.
@@MrKingNidge lol, he didn’t know anything about that.
"We stand behind you Lord Stark."
Words cant express the rush of anger I felt hearing those words
More like "We STAB behind you Lord Stark"
I’m so glad that coward was beheaded by no other than Ned Starks ”son”
Well, Jon Snow killed him in the Night’s Watch for betraying (yet again).
@@AnImperialGod dats what that shit gets for killing Jon and his uncle
And then ser Janos was killed by Jon snow. Best avenge arc ever and Jon didn't even know it.
Poor Barristan ☹️ “but those were the king’s words” he sounded so sad 😭
He looks saddened like nothing matters in what he does now ! That's why he left that crap kingsgaurd!
@@ironlungslc9529Yet he did nothing in this scene that would protect the "king's words" and in essence the true regent. He played the room as much as the next guy.
Barristan should've stood behind Ned after that.
@@postblitz In the books at least Barristan didn't knew what to do. Ned was acussed of treason right when he called Joffrey the unrightful heir and Barristan was sworn to the king. In the books he even hesitated to arrest Ned and I can tell that he hesitated in the show aswell.
Maybe if things didn't happen too quickly Barristan could have decided to take Ned's side
"King Robert's seal, unbroken"
*just slides it right off*
+DeathtoRaiden1 holy shit, never thought of that. I loled at your comment, thank you
+DeathtoRaiden1 The string is deliberately tied loose around the paper and then glued to the paper by the wax.
If the seal was broken the string would just fall off rather than be stuck on.
The seal is a piece of wax that stickers to the paper, the thing he slide off is a piece of string. It's very common if you watch how letters are opened throughout the show.
DeathtoRaiden1 is right, the point of a wax seal is that it's sticks to the paper so you CAN'T JUST SLIDE IT OFF/OPEN A SEALED FOLDED LETTER. You have to break a seal if you want to read it and the fact that letter seals are slided off throughout the show is really odd, that makes no fucking sense!
Just like in s7, Tyrion to Varys, "what's in the letter? Anything interesting..?"
Varys to Tyrion, "Pffft. It's a SEALED LETTER to the King in the North!
No. Nothing interesting.'
Littlefinger
S01: I did warn you not to trust me.
S07 : SANSA I BEG YOU
The things we do for love.
leaving out alot of context arent you?
Littlefinger tried everything at winterfell. he was like "nope i never did any of that." "ok i did it but im still lord protector so kiss my ass" then he finally was reduced to begging when Sansa and Royce were finally done with his shit
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Littlefinger wouldn't be stupid enough to be there in the first place. And as for his death if not for Bran's supernatural powers that whole scene wouldn't even happen. Most likely Arya and Sansa would try to kill each other if not for Bran.
@@jolosolo5291 Arya and Sansa might not have been best friends, but they are Stark siblings so for them killing another Stark is extremely unlikely.
@Abhinav Banerjee Jojo has a point however, when Ned Stark contemplated arresting the Queen with the City Watch, Littlefinger had to choose whether to side with the corrupt Lannisters who will work with him, reward him and bequeath him land and titles for doing their dirty work; or the incorruptible Ned Stark who will not reward Baelish for doing what is "his duty". So Littlefinger betrays Ned and helps facilitate the chaotic War of the 5 Kings and banks on the winning side. But now apparently he's stupid enough to work with the CHILDREN of the incorruptible Ned Stark as if they won't inherit his ideas and reward him? Total U-Turn, I don't think Littlefinger would've actually kept the Vale Army in Winterfell where his KNOWN enemy Lord Royce can congregate with the Starks. A typical Littlefinger move would've been to assassinate Jon Snow and put Sansa in charge and play off the Lannisters (who he was still on good terms with) and the North by feeding both sides false intelligence and siding with the winner. If he loses or gets caught, the Vale is virtually impenetrable with mountains and the Eyrie to defend.
He’s so disappointed that renly booked it but it’s actually Renly who did the smart thing. He had a better chance of cutting out the Lannisters from outside than from inside. Imagine if he and Stannis had worked together.
If he just worded his speech to Ned better. And didn't come across as so power hungry he could have convinced Ned.
@@themrmezbah but he was
Pretty much game over if he and Stannis joined forces. All of the north with Eddard's leadership combined with Stannis and his military prowess.
You're really poor in reading the tactical situation when Renly's doing it better than you.
hell, Renly probably would have won if his kin-killing brother hadn't cheated and brought magic to the fight. And considering that the Queen of Thorns would have probably been the true ruler behind Renly's throne, it might have worked out well, at least until she died from old age
Every time I watch this I think “Cersei did not die horribly enough”
Death is nothing ... Watching one's children murdered is the worst punishment she could have received and she did receive it ...
@@namrata9218 Literally killed Tommen by her own hands aka actions
Her hunger for power killed her family. While I was hoping she had a painful death, what we got was enough. All of this wouldn't have happened if she had honored the late King's words. Her two kids and dad would probably still be alive if she did.
@@namrata9218 i guess you haven't met many narcissists before, have you?
Cersei gave zero fucks about her kids, she only cared about the power that she had, thanks to her kids via proxy.
Fucking hell, she's almost directly responsible for the death of Tommen, her last surviving kid.
Her biggest mistake is she didn't discipline Joffrey enough and put him immediately to the throne just because she can't stand Robert anymore and she's also responsible for the War of 5 Kings. Because she's a spoiled Daddy's rich girl who thinks she can do whatever she wants because she was born from rich and privilege family while in fact, she's a coward who can't do anything without her Daddy. After Tywin died, she becomes nothing and her mistakes make The Lannisters name very bad and bury to the ground.
"I fear Renly has left the city."
Yeah just like Ned Stark should have as soon as he had the proof ffs.
Well its also because he refused his offer to attack them first.
Stannis immediately left for Dragonstone after Jon Arryn's death. Renly left too after Bobby B's death. Why is The Ned this much of an airhead?!
Imagine Littlefinger’s reaction when Ned goes “aight imma head out too” as soon as he heard that 😂
@@AqwDragulum he will try every move to let ned stay
Going to Cersei to warn her was the biggest mistake Ned did. He could've told Robeet directly, should've made Robert deal with Cersei, Joffrey and Tywin. Ned could've taken in the youngest two children like he did with Theon, if he was so concerned with their safety, and declared Joffrey as traitor and let him be executed
When you realize after season 8, everyone here is dead.
Gid Michigan we don’t talk about season 8 😂, I just like to pretend it never happened 😭
@@nathanc4317 Yes we do talk about the season, a) because it happened, and b) because it's a contradiction season but many people (more than 1 million as the petition) liked it.
@@nathanc4317 Yes we do talk about the season, a) because it happened, and b) because it's a contradiction season but many people (more than 1 million as the petition) liked it.
Stefan Dakovski it had it's moments but it's too fookin
rush. The night king should have had a good fight atleast once before dying to arya. The long night was so hyped but the red wedding took more many main characters than that 8 season hyped war
not to mention book euron is 100x more powerful and one of the most sinister villans that wants to become a god. I bet book euron would kill a dragon 100x better if the final books comes out
What are talking about? There are only 6 Seasons. GoT went into a hiatus to wait for GRR Martin to finish the books. And D&D miraculously died in a fire.
Never seen someone more respected than Ned Stark. A man of honor
Ser Barristan I suppose
@@unkon129 Ser Barristan didn't have half the honour Ned had. He disregarded Robert's last will and sided with Cersei.
@@masterplokoon8803 he didn't "side" with Cersei. He just heard Ned saying Jeoffrey has no claim to the throne. For which he is unknighted by her later on. It's like you haven't seen this yet.
@@CDoomer he should have arrested Cersei the moment she tore up king Robert's will. As regent Ned lawfully had the power of a king and he just stood there allowing Cersei to dictate everything when she had no authority.
Minato
"We Stand Behind You, Lord Stark"
Technically he wasn't lying, they did stand behind him, but they chose to stab him in the back.
They stood behind him, only to stab him in the back
Harder to stab people from the front, when they can see it coming.
When you see the former kings seal with a message, you obey it no matter what. looks like these kingsguard soldiers have no loyalty and not trained enough. same with every soldier in that room.
Exactly, Joffrey wasn't crowned which means that they have to obey the hand
+Kenny2k3k except barristan selmy
+AllHeadsDownTV unfortunately for Ned, except Barristan Selmy most of the Kingsguard present are useless pricks: Meryn Trant, Boros Blount
Preston Greene isn't too bad, and Balon Swann was good- but with Ned calling out Joffrey on being a bastard without proof kinda screwed himself over-they didn't know and have guarded this kid for years
In theory, they should have obeyed, but the kingsguard is corrupt and follows the money. Barristan is probably the last honourable man left on it and unlike Ned, Barristan is smart enough to see when he is outmanoeuvred.
Tony these guards are following money I have no idea what ser baristan do
So all these soldiers decided to ignore the king's words and preferred to serve a petulant child and his psycho mom rather than the wise and honourable Stark?
The lannister soldiers serve house lannister not the king. The city watch's job is to protect the city not the king. Only the King's guard is loyal to the king but there is nothing 6 men could've done.
@@mac2857 but the kingsguard are the finest knights in the 7 kingdoms. Also kingsguard protect the royal family not just the king. Cersei was queen
@@ThatHungryAfricanChild 6 knights against 2000 gold cloaks plus cersei's house hold guards yeah no. They could take on maximum 20 before they would be surrounded and killes.
@@mac2857 yeah because 2000 gold cloaks will zerg rush the 6 knights and have no free will
@@mac2857 the city watch are loyal to the man who pays them (The Master Of Coin at the time to be exact).
“Until the heir come of age”.
So sneaky Ned wrote that instead of, “until my son come of age”, which is what I believe Robert told him to write on his deathbed.
Ned rarely made a play like that.
Robert said _my son Joffrey._ Ned changed it to _the heir._
@@Danka42 He even specifically wrote " *rightful* heir" if I recall correctly
You even see it in that very same scene. As Robert says my son Joffrey the camera cuts to Ned writing “rightful heir” instead
Non native speaker here, maybe a stupid question, but why is it "my son come of age" instead of "my son comeS of age"?
@@jimpavlyuchenko9420 not a stupid question :) it's actually "comes of age", you spotted a mistake which means you understand the rules very well.
Until I/we/you/they come of age
Until he/she/it comeS of age
1:14 The moment Ned walks into the throne room is just perfection. The buildup to this point and the tension in the air with the stakes as high as they are, and of course Djawadi's amazing music. One of the best moments in the entire series.
I can barely hear the music what are you going on about
The Baratheon theme plays as the only man trully loyal to king Robert Baratheon walks into a nest of vipers.
@@thedislikebutton1907 Maybe get your ears checked then...
@@masterplokoon8803 Yeah, good catch. Djawadi is great with those leitmotifs.
The guy reading the titles of joffrey does it for me. Protectaagh of the realm lmao
Janos slynt and tyrion at the dinner
I am not questioning your your honor Lord Janos, I'm denying it's existence !
"Apply cold water to burned area."
Olly bring me my sword.
I have friends
Epic line.
Well, honor and existence are indeed words with completely different meanings. Why would Janos's honor be existence?
1:09
Janos Slynt: "We stab behind you, Lord Stark."
Glad Jon decapitated him
The north remembers all
Slynt was able to do accomplish this because he had powerfull friends in court.
@@kogerugaming It's the Slynt family sigil, after all: "Powerful friends that will be hearing about this"
@Michael Hunter he killed a baby
Everyone who betrayed Ned that day found justice:
- Barristan Selmy realized his mistake and went to serve Daenerys
- Janos Slynt beheaded by Jon Snow
- Littlefinger assassinated by the Stark children
- Cercei killed by Daenerys
- Joeffrey killed by Olenna
Hound also left Lannister service and fought against them
And literally everyone else in that room being burned alive
And then us by season 8
Selmy only went to Daenerys after getting dismissed from the Kingsguard
there were several names that betrayed the starks, it was on Arya's hitlist
A hero in the world of villains and anti-heroes.
Ned was a good man, honourable. But he was no hero. A hero is someone who is willing to do what is needed to save others.
Ned did the exact opposite of it...in the name of "honor".
@@dr.finnegan3949 Ned acted rationally and is 100% a hero. Some many crazy acts of chance helped the Lannisters at every turn.
Your definition of a hero is stupid. A hero exemplifies honour and courage, and is not determined by his success or failure.
@@KD--sj8eo Tho I hate to say it, in a cynical way he is right. History is written by the victors. They get to pick and chose the heroes of the story.
@@SirVonLuitenwyl but not for every cost. thats what anti heros do
Ned's real mistake was saying Joffrey had no claim to the throne at that moment. He should have just focused on Robert naming him protector of the realm, gotten Cersei and Joffrey out of there, and then revealed the truth.
Still won’t help,all men in this room expect Ned and Selmy,maybe Varys, had no honor, they still would betray Ned
@@V1ert Fair point, but I think Selmy would have taken Ned's side if he only mentioned being protector of the realm because that was Robert's final wish. And with Selmy on his side, maybe others fall in line. He had enough respect and authority and fear of his skill that some might have backed down.
Exactly. That was his crucial mistake. Everyone else calls Ned an idiot for a whole bunch of reasons but all their arguments are from hindsight.
He didn't say Joffrey wasn't Robert's son. He said he had no claim to the throne, which was true as stated in Robert's letter. Ned wasn't attacking Joffrey's lineage right here, he was attacking his political authority.
@@dextercochran4916 But he did have claim to the throne. The letter only names him as regent. Which isn't assuming the throne, just rulling on its behalf. In fact, Ned is fucking himself by saying it. He was named as *Joffery's* Regent. Because he never told Robert of the incest, Robert believed Joffery to be his son. Ned fucked it all up. Without Joffery there's no Regent, removing his own authority. He definetly should have pretended Joff was the rightful king, bent the knee, but maintain he is regent. Then he could have more time to properly shift things. Littlefinger and the City Watch only killed them when they openly moved against them. Had he bent the knee, they probably wouldn't have. Even an idiot like Cersei knows murdering the Lord Paramount of the North is a stupid move. She'd have probably relented in the moment and began scheming like she always does. It's clear Ned fucked himself royally in this scene.
He probably should have just gone with Renly....
+Jon Snow At least you've taken part of the revenge by chopping Slynt's head off
+Jon Snow Good to have you back mate
Feed olly to ghost
Gone with Renly. Better to die than to "Go with Renly" HAHAHA
Found the homophobe
The hound looking confused at 4:16 I'd a gem. He's a truthful man. He knows the way the world works amd something isn't adding up. He's ready to kill but just isn't quite sure who... very nicely done
And then he just turned around to look for opponents while in the background at 4:38.
He looks confused all the time.
"You grew up with actors, you Learned their craft and you learnt it well. But I grew up with soldiers. I learned how to die a long time ago"
- Lord eddard stark
Is it a reference from the book or the series . If from the series I don't remember where.🤔
@@abdullahaljubaer338 probably from the books!
@@abdullahaljubaer338 both!
@@abdullahaljubaer338 It is from the next episode.
@@abdullahaljubaer338 It was in the series. He was talking to Varys when locked up in the dungeon.
If only Legolas, Aragorn, Gimli, and Gandalf were there to help Boromir...err...I mean Ned
He'd still die.
djg
Gandalf killed a damn Balrog, he would singlehandedly fuck everyone up in that room.
KennyG881 No he needed the eagles
We’ve seen what those heroes would do if they enter a throne room or royal hall staffed by pretenders to the throne. Just imagine how much of a bloody carnage that would be
AND S They would leave there weapons by the door, except gandalfs “walking“ staff, then they would beat up everyone in the room but not kill them. Ned took his staff and sword inside and lost. So the not so harmful way seems to be better.
Ollie bring me my sword
Momo Unchained FUCK OLLIE
+Momo Unchained And stab me to death
+Momo Unchained Fucking Olly stole Edd's line . ''Edd , bring me a chopping block''
Ollie Williams: GOIN' TO DORNE NOW!!
This made me spit all over my fucking screen, lmao
We must still apreciate how Eddard, seeing his men butchered, facing overwhelming numbers and at least two insanely talented swordsmen, with his leg injured and no chance of success whatsoever, immediately reached for his sword and was ready to just go at it.
He was a soldier before being a lord after all
Many people seem to miss that Ned destroyed his only chance of getting others in this room on his side, when he questioned Joffreys claim.
He had the words of the King on his side, but those words did not mention anything about Joffrey not beeing his son, so when he questioned Joffreys claim without any proof right there and then he technically commited treason. That way even the few that had some kind of honor in there could not really help him.
Nah at this point it was already too late.. Littlefinger had the city watch in his pockets and the kingsguard and lannisters were cersei's.. As Littlefinger said "gold wins wars, not honor"... Ned's best move would have been to just leave the city with renly and take headquarters at storms end, send ravens to the north calling the banners, summon the tullys and the arryns too, and start what would have been known as 'the hand's rebellion'
@@oscarbautista4156 the Kingsguard was not set yet.
He would have had chances to persuade them. And the kingsguard is extremely powerful.
With them on his side he would not necessarily have succeeded but he would have had a chance.
@@oscarbautista4156 only problem with that fact is that Ned announced that Stannis should be the rightful heir to the throne not Renly. and if Ned questioned Renlys claim he would of been killed regardless. Ned had honor but also did not have a filter which led to his demise
@@lrnr466 we would never know but I think that Ned would have been able to talk renly out of his intentions to claim the throne, honestly, renly had no business whatsoever with wanting to be king.. If anyone would have been able to get him back to sense and make common cause to remove the real enemy (the lannisters).. that person could only be Ned
His damned Northern honor.
Even after 9+ years, Ned's death still resonates in every storyline in GoT.
of course it does. it essentially started the WOFK
in the end he redeemed himself and died honarably fighting those hordes of uruk-hai
***** Boromir!
+Betty Delgado let's be honest...it was only like one large scouting party. "horde" is kind of an over-exaggeration.
He was taken by not one arrow or three, but many.
Fucking Eddard Stark. Badass but a fool that was just too obsessed with his honour obsession altogether for his own good.
Joffrey should exile Ned to Middle Earth
No one understands Ned at all. “He’s stupid” “he’s a fool” “he should have blah blah blah.” Ned did what he thought was right, always, in the most direct manner possible. He didn’t believe in machinations. He was ready to die. He didn’t realize how self-destructively insane Joffrey was, but no one did until it was too late.
Thats why he's stupid
He did the right thing ? Thats laughable, where was the right thing when he knows jon is the true heir and the king ? Where was his honor when he treated him like a a real bastard and saw him go to watch and give up his titles ? The right thing to do is help his nephew get his throne and telling him the truth
He was smart too. Only reason petry and golden cloaks betray him is because stupid sansa told cersei they will leave.
So cersei understood the sitution and take the offensive.
If there was no sansa, stannis would be on the throne right now. He would not need redgod to gain power so everything would be okey.
Sansa is the reason Ned fell.
Catleyn is the reason Robb fell.
M*therf*cker redheads.
@@faam6149 spoilers
but i doubt Ned would have much support trying to make Jon (who would be considered a targaryen bastard since no one knows lyanna and rhaegar secretly married yet) and i don't think ned is the type to idiotically lose the north and most likely his head trying to install a "bastard" even though jon is unknowingly the rightful heir
@@emperorpphed6561 fax, the more i grow up the more i realize ned was a chad. He didnt care about the stupid game the high lords played, he just wanted justice and to do what was right. RIP
"I did warn you not to trust me" is one of my favourite quotes in the whole show, the delivery of the line and everything is just brilliant
You could've got it right as well
Anyone else watch Season 1 scenes and play the "who's still alive?" Game?
It's depressing.
I do, but It's rather fun than depressing.
drinking game: One shot for every character still alive. A perfect game if you want to stay sober
Werd. Watching season 1 now feels like watching a show about ghosts, its like "hes dead, hes dead, shes dead, hes crippled, hes only got one hand, hes dead..."
he's now a eunuch. don't forget that guy
+James Gardner
"Anyone else watch Season 1 scenes and play the "who's still alive?" Game?"
I watch season 1 to remind myself why Jaime Lannister and Gregor Clegane are evil cunts. Apparently it only takes seven seasons for child-murdering bastards to redeem themselves to the point of being heroes.
Ned Stark is one of the greatest heroes fantasy has ever had. He has to be avenged
Why ???? How ???? He was a straight idiot, everything he done was wrong and lead to the death of his family
George Davies There is a difference between honor and stupidity. I think you are missing the point of the series entirely. Winning the 'game of thrones' isn't an accomplishment if it means losing your soul
Drac39 I don't think you can sum up this series entirely by a point, especially not one as shallow as not "losing your soul to win". You see in the Game of Thrones you either win or you die. There is no place for "soul" searching
Shallow? I don't think it's shallow. What makes GOT compelling is the characters and the reasons the pretenders feel the throne is theirs. You accuse me of summing up the series and then you do so by giving that tag line.
I suppose you would rather have a realm at war with the Lannisters. Ned was in no means a man who wanted anyone to die, even his enemy's that he knew would stoop to lows to kill him. That's what makes a true hero, a man who does not take shortcuts, does not scheme, cause it's the smart way to do thing, a man who only passes a sentence of death when it's nessecary. An honourable man who was not meant to be a hero, but a simple man with a wolf's honour.
It's funny how Joffery keeps screaming "LIAR" "KILL HIM. I COMMAND IT" and nobody cares to follow his orders.
I like how everyone in that room who had an issue with the Lannisters taking control all defected to Daenerys in their own way eventually. Barriston by being kicked out of the kings guard, the hound by running from battle and going off on his own for a while and Varys by biding his time until breaking Tyrion out of jail. That type of dishonorable behavior by the Lannisters bit them in the butt.
Man, every time I watch these scenes, I find myself hoping things go differently.
I guess Game of Thrones lived up to its nature.....always make the viewer cry
When Sean Bean is in the scene, it feels like a movie.
every got episode is as long as a movie lol
@@iwanttogrowtaller6251 what kind of movies do you watch lol
@@iwanttogrowtaller6251 Not all of them lol.
Best actor in the show
What I like about this scene and Ned's character as a whole is that the possibility of betrayal and the threats against his life and his freedom don't sway his actions whatsoever. Sure, he may have thought that Petyr and the city watch would support him, but that wouldn't actually make him act any different even if he knew they would betray him. Similarly, even when he's in jail and his position is doomed he isn't swayed by the threats and he doesn't compromise until he dies.
People who look at that and call him foolish, for not seeing the betrayal coming, for staying in king's landing unlike Renly and Stannis, for supposedly "hoping" that cersei and the others would be honorable, are missing the point. The honour that Ned upholds is a social institution, what in philosophy is called the golden rule; "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", and it is anything but foolish. Because the only way to have a stable and prosperous society is when people at least mostly uphold that honour, without it society collapses and even the people who think they are taking advantage of it won't be safe for long.
Sure, people like Cersei and Joffrey can be opportunistic and shameless for their own gains, but all they are doing is unravelling the fabric of society and creating the chaos and lawlessness that will ensure their eventual downfall. Because without that honour to hold things together, everyone else is gonna start acting just as shamelessly as you are, in other words it's a negative sum game for everyone involved. That is also what Martin wants to show us later in the story, especially in a feast for crows, where lawlessness and opportunism have escalated to a point where the entire country is devastated and plagued with crime, most of the pretenders are dead or dying, politics have devolved into backstabbing and scheming all around, and society as a whole is much poorer.
In other words, Ned isn't foolish enough to think that everyone will surely uphold the same honour he does, he simply understands that compromising on that honour is a slippery slope that ends up being even worse for everyone than his supposedly "pointless" death could ever be.
Bravo. Well said.
Amazing comment 🔥
I really agree with you. Ned, in a way, can be combined with the figure of Jesus.
@@rickymath99it is interesting how many non-Christians worship Him through their favourite fictional characters.
@@MarcoBoneMan I just said that Jesus is similar to Ned Sttark as a man, not that I worship Him.
This is one of the most dramatic scenes in GOT... watching this over and over makes me feel heavy for Stark.
Ned should have done as renly did and gone to winterfell amass an army and come back to kingslanding
+Antaqua R Ned wanted peace above all. He knew that his best chance at stability within the realm was to seize power in Kings Landing and then pass the crown to Stannis.
+Luthies ...which was naive. practically everyone playing the "game of thrones" at KL was 3 moves ahead of Ned.
+Hussein27 Renly wanted Ned to recognize him as King, which is retarded. Renly has zero claim.
He was fourth in line, second technically (since the first two are bastards). He has some claim...
Stannis being alive meant that supporting Renly's claim to the throne was treason, even if you ignore the Bastards.
Please Game of Thrones, give us a prequel with young Ned and young Robert fighting as rebellions 😭😭😭
+Drake AF from the look of it they seem to be doing some flashbacks about ned at the tower of joy and maybe some other pre game of thrones in season 6
I think they went with the flashbacks instead, that way there wont be a gap between "Game of thrones" and that hypotetical prequel story. All in the same flow
Or just a movie...
Sounds good
Blagoje R yea a movie would be better imo it would be cool to see something related to GOT on the big screen
I like how Ned protects Ser Barristan. Honor recognizes honor
"Kill Him, Kill all of them"
Love how Jeoffreys first command is so harsh his men hesitates to follow.
Nice forshadowing
I love the moment when Ned is told Robert is dead. You really get the sense that not only has a legendary figure passed, but also a friend - a best friend.
Is it me or is the Hound in full armour, with cloak and that helm terrifying as hell?
It's you.
4:38 On the right.
It's not you.
Until you realize he'd absolutely freak if you flicked your lighter at him
Ned was a fool. When he heard Renly being Roberts brother fleeing, He should have taken Roberts letter and fled North to his bannerman and send raven asking them to surrender or declare North independent.
He really thought he could Clark Kent his way into winning.
Also sending raven promising allegiance to Stannis while he stayed in the North. Ned Didn't want the throne.
His damned Northen honor.
If I were Ned stark I’d just drop it and resign as hand of the king and pray I could negotiate peace with Tywin Lannister, preventing war is honourable.
@@aaronsmith3484 He had to deal with it, Lannister's would never surrender the Throne. They knew they were stealing it.
Ned could have left the city, the moment he heard "King" Joffrey
Compared to season 8, the dialogue in seasons 1-4 makes it sound like they came from entirely different shows
Because most people from Season 1-4 didn't make it to the end. And besides character development exists.
@@mahinhasan1903 yea, and it sucked
Because most of the dialogues in s1-4 are straight from the books
@@mahinhasan1903 No, the reason the dialogue sounds different in season 8 is because of D&D dumb writting after G.R.R left the show
u r muh kween
Let's feel sad a moment also for Stark men slaughtered in this scene.
I was thinking the same thing- they had the bravery and integrity to follow their Lord to the last
I loved seeing Ned being escorted by his own bodyguards. He looked very badass with them!
Atleast they sort of got their revenge when Dany burnt kings landing and they slaughtered lannister soldiers
They failed to protect their lord
@@mijanhoque1740 that wasn't revenge, it was just pointless bloodshed that they did not want to be part off, the Stark soldiers wanted to remain in the North, not fight in King's Landing.
This such a unique scene where when I always come back to it, no matter how many times I've seen it this scene still makes me hope something different would happen in the scene where Ned Stark emerges victorious, but the result is always the same.
Same feeling for me
Crazy to think not a single person in this scene is alive.
Poor Selmy, caught in the crossfire. Both Eddard and Cersei tugging his arm. I read many comments about how Selmy should have ordered his men to arrest Cersei and Joffrey but remember, most of the Kingsguard men were Lannister supporters (Jaime, Meryn Trant, etc.) and Selmy was probably the only true knight in the room.
Actually Mandon Moore is a valeman loyal to Lord Arryn before his death, considering Jaime thinks he's 3rd best Kingsguard after himself and Selmy he must be alright.
And Selmy only has 6 men in the room and Trant and Greenfield are Lannister men
Wasn't Boros Blount also the one that Varys named as Cersei's creature??
And as far as I remember, Arys Oakhart was also a fairly decent person, as well as Balon Swann, who replaces Preston Greenfield after the riot in ACOK/S2?
Selmy was just a badass version of Janos Slynt.
other than being a good swordsman , he was no different than Janos slynt and others
Um No Selmy and slynt Are compleatly different
sumit dalal Selmy and Slynt were polar opposites. Selmy is a man of true honor whose mere name demands respect. Slynt is a loud mouthed, vain coward who only cares about money
Brandon Stark was arrested, Ser Barristan watched sadly. Keeping his oath. Rickard Stark was arrested, Ser Barristan watched sadly. Keeping his oath. Rickard Stark was burnt, Ser Barristan watched sadly, Hating his oath. Brandon Stark choked to death. Ser Barristan watched sadly, Obeying his king. Ned Stark was arrested, Ser Barristan watched sadly, Obeying his king. Ned Stark is beheaded, and Ser Barristan watched sadly.
SER BARRISTAN, YOU SER, ARE #1 WATCHER OF THE YEAR! YOU SER GET A FREE PASS TO THE NIGHTS WATCH!
That's the flaw of the KG oath, man. It just sucks. They are to obey and protect the king they are sworn to no matter what even at the cost of their soul. Jaime gained the name "Kingslayer" for breaking his oath and killing his king yet he just did which seemed right in order to save King's Landing and the thousands of live from being burned by caches of wildfire. Still, he was seen as a traitor and villain for that. Even Ned viewed him with utter disgust and crucified him for that.
Dumb One barristein wasn't in the kingsgurad when ned died.
Ser Barristan only watched , hang him last so he can watch the others die 😂😂
@Sean King ,
To be fair, Jamie did it when it was already game over for the Mad King. Lannister army were sacking the city at the time when mad king ordered him to bring him Tywin’s head. No one else was by Mad King’s side. All other kingsguards were not available.
@Vash Stampede If not for Jaime the Mad King would have destroyed the whole city with wildfire. I would say it was far from too late.
It's interesting from Barristan's perspective. He doesn't know for sure that Joffrey is illegitimate. Assuming Joffrey is a Barratheon even if Ned is pronounced Regent even if Joffrey is not crowned he is still considered king but just without power. So Ned actually f'd up by saying Joffrey has no claim to the throne here because from Barristan's perspective and duty that's actually treason. I guess Ned thought that since the city watch is loyal to the iron throne that since he is acting regent he is sitting on the throne until Joffrey comes of age so they would follow him. Unfortunately time and time again we see Ned is a fool because he believed others would do as he would do, he never thought from other people's perspective or considered their interests and desires.
True. He could have (somewhat) diffused the situation by saying that Joff would be king in a few years but for the time being, he was going to act as regent. The words of king Robert were law before his death, meaning technically, the kings guard (and anyone really) would have to serve Ned, or be a traitor. It would have been very interesting to see how that argument would have played out. But of course, I think that dishonorable men outnumbered the honorable, so the difference would have been neligible
He allowed discontentment and enmity in his family between Lady Stark and Jon Snow rather than just tell his wife the truth that Jon was legitimate and an orphan. Ned was always a fool
I don't think a lot of people realize that Ned Stark wasn't stupid. He knew what was going on and he knew that staying in King's Landing certainly meant risking his life. But he wasn't afraid of dying, what he was afraid of was tucking his tail between his legs and letting the Lannisters take over
His entire stay in King's Landing is kind of meant to show that he is in fact rather stupid. He's an honorable and good man, but he isn't the most clever around. Certainly he knew the risks of confronting the queen, but he thought he was prepared. I doubt he would've asked for the help of the city watch if he knew they would stab him and his men in the back.
Oh he was stupid and naive. He lived under the impression that his opponents played fair. He is the child playing Monopoly that announces when they are given extra money and return them. Cersei is the one that steal from the bank, gaslights other players into thinking she had bought a property and just 'forgot to take the card'.
Ned expected that letter to be a trump card that would compel the Kingsguard to defend him but Selmy was a mindless fool, he trusted Petyr and Slynt. That's why he was disappointed Renly left - he expected him to do the honorable thing, not the smart thing.
Some people played honourably and died. Others played dishonourably and died. It's always so funny when I hear people mock Ned for the former, as if the latter never happened.
he is as a matter of fact a retard. trusting a man that wanted to fuck his wife for years to be on his side. when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die
No but he wasn’t exactly Tyrion or Tywin either. You can keep your honor but still have a filter. For example: if he hadn’t questioned Joffrey’s claim, he might’ve been able to get Barristan and a good chunk of the Kingsguard on his side and that might’ve been enough to turn the battle around.
I love the look Selmy gives Stark, clearly thinking "I'm on the wrong side here", though he couldn't have stopped this happening regardless.
Stopped it- no. But Him & Ned together back-to-back with swords drawn would've made the floor run very, very, very red....
TheCaptainmarvell pity ned had his leg like it was, or else like you said it could have been a pretty epic fight, when they assaulted him at the brothel he killed like six of them himself..
TheCaptainmarvell I would love to see that. I am certain the battle would end when the City runs out of men (and the occasional woman) to throw at them.
Yeah, i got that feeling as well.
TheCaptainmarvell I agree in the show Ned is badass with a sword but in the books he's above average at best. A skilled strategist but not anything special when it comes to swordsmanship. Just saying
Just imagine telling a crippled man to bend the knee
He wasn't crippled, he was just temporarily hurt
@@fortheloveofcats2462 You don't have to be permanently crippled to be crippled.
So astonishing how this scene by itself is more thrilling and suspenseful than The Long Night.
I love the look that Varys give to Littlefinger when they enter the throne room at 1:18 ... He knows something horrible is going to happen.
I do wonder what exactly he knew and whether he did anything to influence the outcome. We see later that he wants to have an incompetent Lannister running things so the people will welcome the Targaryen heir (Aegon at this point, later Danaerys) when that heir returns from Essos. He admits to Ned in Ned's cell that he could free Ned, but he's not going to. At any rate I'd be very surprised if he didn't know what Littlefinger and Janos Slynt planned to do.
Varys really screwed up. He betrayed Ned every bit as much as Lord Baelish.
Cersei was right about one thing, Eddard did condemn himself with his own words. There's being honourable and there's being smart.
+Sam Trott And then theres getting fucked over by the people you think are on your side. It was like 50+ men against what? 10 people protecting Joffrey? He got betrayed fam. Theres a difference between not being smart and getting backstab like that.
+AzzRaze Ned was too honorable. He didn't know how to play the Game.
Nishanth Moses He didn't have good enough judgement. And let his morals guide him. I'm sorry that being "too honorable" is a trait you look down upon.
AzzRaze I didn't say I looked down upon it? Don't twist my words. Everyone else was playing carefully, forming alliances not being too bold and just waiting for the perfect time to attack. Ned was unaware of the mechanisms and the intricate system that was already at play before he was even in Kings Landing.
Joffrey is lucky Brandon Stark died because if it was him well Ned Stark was a exception the other Starks were more in line with Attila the Hun Brandon would have killed Cersei before she had a chance to do anything then he would have finished what he started on Baelish
Ned: "In the name of the Iron Throne, you're under arrest, Prince Joffrey."
Joffrey: "Are you threatening me, Lord Stark?"
Ned: "King Stannis will decide your fate."
Joffrey: "I _am_ the King!"
Ned: "Not. Yet."
Joffrey: "It's treason, then!"
Littlefinger: *[after betraying Ned]* "Your Grace, I told you this would happen! Stannis and the Starks are taking over!"
Sansa: Wh-what have I done? I have supported the wrong man!
Cersei: you're fulfilling your destiny, Lady Stark....join me....and we shall rule this Westeros
Sansa: no Your Grace....I am a Stark...like my father before me!
Cersei: ah....pity. So be it...Stark.
Joffrey leaps into the air spinning and screaming
any man who must say I am the senate is no true senate...
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 And then Joffrey twirls through the air while brandishing his red lightsaber. Immediately cuts down 3 of Ned's guards with ease and then battles Ned in an epic fight.
A surprise to be sure but a welcome one
3:48 It is stunning how highly Ned must think of his men to think they are capable of harming Ser Barristan.
Ned: Ser Barristan, I believe no man here could ever question your honour.
Cersei: I am no man.
Everyone talks about how stupid the honorable Ned Stark is, but really, this is probably the best way anyone without actual clout could've handled it. He
A) Brought armed men (just the wrong ones)
B) Attacked Joffrey's legitimacy BEFORE he was formally crowned
C) Had Robert's proclamation read by a neutral, trusted third party, in full public view, in front of many influential figures
D) Did not immediately freak out and try to have Joffrey and Cersei immediately killed, thereby reinforcing the legitimacy of Ned's claim
I mean really, I probably would've done the same thing.
LAVATORR then you'd be dead
He trusted littlefinger, thats where he fucked up
Trust no one on the small council. Literally no one. One's a spy master, one's a known backstabber, one's a peverted old man who only wants power, and one is a woman who kills all in her path. I wouldn’t trust any of them (except Varys when he turned to serve Daenerys.)
Exactly. Ned made all the necessary preparations but couldn't predict Littlefinger being a vile snake lol
Yh. Like jon snow said. Word has meaning. Words won't mean anything if people lied.
3:48 In the background Varys is like, "I'm outta here."
big fish eat small fish and I paddle on forever
😂😂 that was a smart move though
You just root for the starks so hard that this scene is actually hart breaking! Sean Bean is a class actor!
One of the best scenes in the history of television. Excellently played.
I don't buy this scene, there is no way that Selmy would ignore the King's words simply because Cersei tore down the page they were written on. It would have been far more realistic for him to order his men to arrest her.
Exactly. At that point Selmy should've slaughtered the Lannister retainers.
+Tammyaway If Ned Stark had acknowledged Joffrey as his king, I'm sure that Barristan would have done so. But he didn't.
Jakob Kristensen Sandvik
Joffrey's no king yet......and his mom just tore up the edict of the last king.......
+Tammyaway Yeah, the same thing bugged me as well. Not only that but, Selmy, a supposed man of honor didn't even offer to serve as Eddard's champion in a trial by combat to preserve Eddard's honor.
At least he got the death he deserved for that.
+Amarok Eddards champion for what exactly?
His mistake was trusting Little Finger. Let's hope Sansa learns from this treachery.
Don't forget about Brandon Stark because he now has the gift to foresee the past and the future since he became the Three Eyed Raven. If he looks into the past to find out that Little Finger sold his father out, then he'll tell both Sansa and Jon the truth about the betrayal. Let's also hope that Brandon will also tell Jon about his parents being Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryan.
Sandor Clegane was killing Ned's man so he is also a bad one, isn't he?
And Petyr Baelish did his duty to serve Littlefinger
Is it even a question ? Littlefinger is like a leech. How are people ok with him ?
Johan Dale You realize LF is responsible for the death of the 2 most despised characters in the show right? Joffrey would still be king and Ramsay Warden of the North if not for LF.
*The music from 0.55 to 1.53* ...
The growing intimidating atmosphere,
the rapidly looming fear of unknown future...
Can't get ANY BETTER than that.
*One of the best themes* of the entire saga.
That shot when they enter the kings hall with the music and man reciting Geoffry’s title is one of my favorites in the entire show.
Ned foolishly tried to delegitimise Joffrey's entire claim to the throne without proof, at the same time as trying to prove he'd been made regent. If he only did the latter, more people in that throne room might have defended him.
That’s a good point. Ned was way too quick with the claims. He should’ve first consolidated power as regent and then over time gather evidence for Joffrey’s true parentage and then exposed him if he truly felt like justice needed to be served. Or just do what Littlefinger suggested and only expose the secret if Joffrey and the Lannisters started opposing Ned’s power.
Still the same conclusion. The problem is everyone in the room seemed corrupted(except ned, selmy)
Little finger and varys are plotting against the entire nation, maybe varys had some good intention but still he wanted the chaos. The city watch obeyed to gold, they don't give a fuck who is legitimate and who isn't (money rules). The Lannister soldiers follow jofferys command.
If the goldcloaks are with Joffery none of this would have made any differance
His damned Northern honor
No matter what evidence he had, city watch was already sold to Jeffrey. If he would have brought his north army along with him in the kings court, then he might would have a chance
Who else is watching old clips reminiscing to when game of thrones was good
+1
Gane of Thrones is still great....
It was good until dragons became a thing. Overuse of dragons which are used like cheat code
For me, the dragons and the b-52 like powers given to them are the biggest weak point in the story
Ned is still my favourite character of all! Honor and integrity is what defines a man.
Lol the look varys and baelish gave each other. Like "bro you're fucked"
Now everyone In those scenes are dead, literaly everyone of them
Jean Bombeurdu93 at the end of ep 5 you just see the roofing collapsing. There’s no hard proof that Cercei is dead though she may have survived it. We’ll see
@@v02ones59 we see the roof collapse on her, so yes she is dead
@@v02ones59 there's one episode left, what, do you think they would actually do that? I know the writers are retards but even that is too crude.
@@v02ones59 even lena headey confirmed her death on her ig
Theo Liem Norell ummm, you see the roof collapse on the kings guard, Cersei and qyburn right before the Cleganebowl. It’s just a matter of how it lands on them if it’s fatal or not🤦♂️
There are so many memorable quotes in this series, but *Ser Barristan is a good man, a loyal man. Do him no harm* is my favorite
That sliver of doubt in Cercei's eyes right before the betrayel of the commander... Such a great actress.
Cersei: "We have a new King now."
Ned: "He hasn't been crowned yet."
Cersei: "Shit... spoke too soon."
As much as this scene hurts, remember:
Joffrey is dead
The Hound is (probably) dead
Janos Slynt is dead
Cersei had to go on a walk of shame
Mentor In the books the hound is pretty much confirmed alive, but with the show pretty much not following the books anymore he may well be dead
The lannisters are still in power. Littlefingers still alive. And cersei is still alive.
Mentor Yet none of them tortured. I DEMAND JUSTICE!
Mentor I don't want the hound to die. He redeemed himself by leaving Joffrey's service, plus I want Cleganebowl to happen.
Cybernator23 In the book he is confirmed to be dead.
this scene better than all season 8 episods
lol is this meme gonna be on fucking all 3,672 GoT clips on youtube
@@kowalski-turniton6704 yes
well no shit.
Nah. I liked the battle of winter fell
The Darkfrost the battle no one was able to see?
Eddard should have read this situation, and bent the knee so that he can win a victory for another day.
He wouldn't have been Eddard Stark if he'd done that.
"I did warn you not to trust me."
- Littlefinger
one of the best lines ever
I'm just curious why Ser Barristan, as a loyal knight to king Robert, did not stand with Stark? Robert gave the order and signed it while he was still alive, making Stark's authority as regent absolute. Defending him would have been his sworn duty as Jeoffrey was technically not yet King and Cersei was not in authority either.
because..........show
lol, I love that word, *shat*,
Ned *shat* on their faces. LOL!
Adam Reiter the royal family was house baratheon, not lannister. he was bound to protect both sides. by not acting later he betrayed the royal family by denying the next family in line the throne.
He was confused as fuck
But tearing the paper was enough reason to arrest Cersei.
It doesn't matter Ned commited treason by denying Joffrey as the true King but Cersei also disobeyed the King's commands by tearing up that paper.
This doesn't happen im the books. Cersei simply dont command anything to Barristan. Besides, Ned was commiting treason either way. So he couldn't help him anyway.
Cersei: "Protector of the Realm... Is this meant to be your shield, Lord Stark? *rips paper in half* A piece of paper?"
Reasonable random guard: "Um... can she do that? I'm fairly certain she can't do that."
Ned: "Your son has no claim to the throne."
Reasonable random guard: "Woah, dude. That's a pretty heavy accusation right there. Any substantial evidence to back that u--"
Joffery: "Kill him! KILL ALL OF THEM!!! I COMMAND IT!!!"
Reasonable random guard: "Woah there! This is escalating pretty damn fast! Weren't we just having a conversatio--"
Littlefinger(?): "NOW!"
*death and carnage*
Reasonable random guard: "Um... guys?"
*more death and carnage*
Reasonable random guard: "...Hello?"
*even more death and carnage*
Reasonable random guard: "Fuck this, I quit."
If only they had listened to that one reasonable random guard...
A. Clancularius I wasen't referring to Baristan. Dude's probably the only swordsman in Westeros aside from Arthur Dayne who could take Jaime Lannister in his prime. I KNOW he ain't a random. I just made up a random guard character who speaks for the audience, that's all.
A. Clancularius np :)
Baristan is a pussy
I know you just made up a random guard but that is probably what Barristan was thinking.
Jaime should have been there man, things would have been different today..
The bells ringing in the background adds an element of tension love it!
Imagine how Littlefinger might have succeeded even further and avoided death had he helped Eddard.
But he wanted Catelyn too.
@@Lord_Bibulous True
Pussy is what weak men die for.
Stannis wouldn't have trusted Littlefinger for one second. LF knew his career would have been over the moment Stannis entered King's Landing.
I see comments of Ned "being an idiot" everywhere o.o
Personally, I think it's just that KL is full of backstabbing, liars, and basically bad people in general. Ned was basically a foreigner in that place, not used to the "customs" of KL. I didn't even think he wanted to be part of the stuff that happened there. I don't think he's stupid bc of his honor. He tried helping, at least.
+ღLaurette Faron ルマღ Anybody who is calling him an idiot for believing the best in people are cynical cunts who deserve whatever awfulness they get in life.
He assumed that every person was like him and would act like him. A good person. One could say that this was stupid.
He's basically a midwestern senator in Washington DC (We'll go with Mr Smith Goes to Washington). A Man with principles and morals, trying to fit into a place where no one else has time for principles, or place for morals.
@@lgmmrm
so not stupid, but naive.
@@Stego1819 Exactly
Joffrey wasn't King for a full hour and already demanding his kings guard to kill ppl lol
He wasn't a king at all at that point.
@@TheOnceandFutureJake yeah there was no coronation at this point. Him sitting on that throne was the equivalent to Jaime sitting on the throne after he killed the mad king.
@@Lite727
Not necessarily. In the words of Tywin Lannister: “do you think a crown gives you power?” Coronations are merely ceremonial. It’s not like the moment you get a crown you’re suddenly the king. If Joffrey was not a bastard then he still would’ve been the rightful king the moment Robert died. And since the vast majority of people didn’t know Joffrey was a bastard, then he did indeed seem like the rightful king and was treated as such. But if you’re talking in the general sense since he is indeed a bastard, then yea he isn’t the rightful king, but again, in the words of Varys, “power resides where men believe it resides.” So even as a bastard, he’s still the king because everyone said he is. It’s the same reason why Cersei became Queen later despite having no claim. Just because you don’t have a good claim doesn’t mean you can’t be king/Queen.
@@TheOnceandFutureJake He was the King for everybody present. Nobody knew he was not the son of Robert, so when Robert died he became King.
@@Lite727 Sorry but thats not how that worked in the real world and neigther in Martins world.
A coronation is not needed to become the King.
This moment was probably one of my biggest gripes with this series. Like I know, characters had their own schemes in the work and all that, but no matter who Littlefinger paid off, Cersei committed treason the moment she tore that paper.
It didn't matter, she already bought the whole court the moment Ned warned her he already lost
Ned was the perfect foil of what we want in a protagonist. Honest, and good. But in the game of thrones, honesty can get you killed. His betrayal and death ultimately sets the tone for the rest of the story, that being good doesnt keep you alive.
When I watch this I find it hard to forgive D&D for Cersei’s underrated death. Drogon should have dragged her round kings landing before burning her. Smh
she lost everything, had no allies and was reduced to a sobbing mess. death was just a formality
Agreed Her death was way too simple. Should have been much worse
I always thought Jaime was going to become the Queen slayer, but they threw his character developement out the window like he threw Bran out.
@@JJ-zy3zv tbh that why got turned wrong in the end people dont get or die the way they deserve it suppose to be realistic not a fairy tail, even if she did all the most horrible things possible in life some people still get away with it or day a way too soften death for theirs crimes
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 I agree. Cersei loved power just as much as she loved her children. Everything she did for power and for all of it to come crashing down was more than appropriate in my humble opinion.
3:11 this is my biggest gripe with Game of Thrones. If the Will had Robert's seal on it, and Robert WAS King, and the seal was legitimate, why is Cersei holding all the power as far s she can openly rip the King's final Will & Testament in front of everyone like it was nothing and it's forgotten? then again there wouldn't be much of a story, would there?
possession is 9/10th of the law. They had the throne with the city watch and most of the kings guard already following them. One man (sir barriston) could not stop this from happening
yes, but Ser Barristan was Lord Commander of the Kings Guard, all he had to do was say 'arrest them', but perhaps it is Eddard Stark's fault for not confiding in him first about Joffrey's lineage.Just a testament to the amazing characters in the books, where you can almost believe they are real and not the imagination of a writer.
THEYLIVE2012 Ser Barristan couldn't order the City Watch aka the Gold Cloaks. The King's Guard in that room were blindly loyal to a rotten boy king which in turn made them rotten, like Ser Meryn who hit Sansa. He couldn't order anyone.
THEYLIVE2012 Well my gripe with other stories is that one man can talk or fight his way out of any situation. Plus the majority of the men in that room including the city watch were loyal to the Lannisters. Even if they didn't scheme this situation it would still be 2 of the most powerful politicians arguing over the line of succession when most people believed Joffrey was Roberts true son.
Armies give power....
It’s so frustrating to see Ned be so smart and so stupid at the same time. Robert really did describe him best, “an honorable fool.” The first thing he should’ve done when hearing of Robert’s death was high tail it out of King’s Landing and either head back to Winterfell to prepare for war, or maybe try to join up with Renly or Stannis to support their claims to the throne.
Ned: "Ser Barristan is a good man, loyal man, do him no harm"
Ser Barristan: ha! As if they could