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Ned Stark and Robert's Small Council: This Honourable Fool
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2013
- Game of thrones first season clip from my presentation at the Toronto Renaissance and Reformation Colloquium: "'Power is a Curious Thing': Game of Thrones as a Machiavellian Mirror for Princes.. Another illustration of the philosophical divide between King Robert and Ned Stark when he resigns from his position as King's Hand and also from the Council.
And after that, Eddard Stark ran back to Winterfell, and lived happily ever after.
***** How we all wish that were true.
***** rrrriiiiggghhhtt.
***** lmao
***** Really Robert should have left the one real friend he had out of politics.
***** What about the white walkers though...
"I'VE GOT 7 KINGDOMS TO RULE!"
3rd small council meeting he ever attended
That tells much about Robert's hypocrisy. For him, killing the remaining Targaryens was a personal feud, but he had to pretend it was for the good of the realm, since he couldn't very well go "I'm still sad my girlfriend is dead" in front of the small council.
Targaryens crossing the narrow sea with a Dothraki army seems like a pretty good reason to want them all dead to me
Dylan Chouinard doesn't matter at all
Viserys and Dany were always threats to his Roberts reign. Even they can't take back the throne, they could still a whole branch of Targareyns in the East just waiting to take it all back.
It's always best to kill anything from the old regime when starting a new one
@Dylan Chouinard No one else in the realm knew about that but that's not something you can be fully sure and risk it that easily.
LMAOOOOO SAME
this scene illustrates perfectly why ned never said a word about jon snow, Robert would have killed him of he found out. and this scene shows it.
Does it? Robert was content with letting Viserys and Daenarys be exiled. It was first when he heard Viserys had married Daenarys to Drogo that he considered sending assassins, but it was first when he heard that she had gotten pregnant that he sent one.
+Mr33500 I'm pretty sure he wasn't. They mentioned how viserys and danaerys had to be moved often to avoid assassins sent by varys who "oversaw the campaign to kill them". Robert preferred them dead but never prioritized it until this news.
Extremespeedblade If Robert TRULY wanted them dead before GOT started, they would have been.
+Mr33500 but he used varys for it and show varys actually worked against it. Like Tyrion said "he's probably the main reason you are still alive." But yeah, it didn't seem as though Robert was serious about her death until now.
Extremespeedblade In the case of Varys there is a contradiction. If not for Jorah, Daenarys would be killed in season 1 and he was sent by Varys.
When ever i have family sitdowns i always start of by saying "The hoaaaar is pregnant"
+1MAVHERE Wat
I should start doing that lmao
*booooooooar
If someone leaves... "Go, GO! Run back to Winterfell! I'll have yer head on a spike!
+1MAVHERE
That's good. Clear the air at the beginning.
"And that fool Viserys"
Oh don't worry about him.
***** haha loved your comment!
Airstrike Mike
I think just saying a spoiler is dull, but making a smirking reference to it is better.
***** Honestly if he survived and got an army of dothraki riders he'd lose the first battle he fights because of his pride.
***** He definitely got his golden CROWN if you know what I mean :)
Hellfire Spawn
His egotistical wackiness and poor people skills would lead to his doom pretty fast probably.
Whenever I feel like someone is winning an argument I shout "GO BACK TO WINTERFELL" I always win.
RUdigitized I laughed so hard at this
RUdigitized If only he did
+RUdigitized or "send a fucking raven...be done with it!
RUdigitized " I will have Your Head on a Spike " !!!
Bet you could hear Robert ranting and raving halfway back to Winterfell.
I want a mini series of Robert ' s rule, and make it a comedy
I want a spin off series, with Robert, Tyrion, Bronn, Oberyn and the Hound going on a road trip round the world, and getting into misadventures and visiting every brothel they can find.
Do not forget Podrick
and lancel lannister
Nah, no need to spoil it.
Ned was thinking about Jon Snow During this whole scene.
Ned is so protectiv with the Targaryens haha
Ned was like, Nooo not gonna murder Jon Snow's (Jon R. Targaryen) niece , are U crazy? take ur fucking metal badge bitch ..
I promised Lyanna i'll take care of the kid mozafoka !!!
+Fedor Amuricano Dany would be his aunt.
Jon Stark*
Jon's niece? LMAO!!
I fucking love Robert Baratheon. Dude was a fucking boss. Sucks so bad that he had to die so damn early in the series. Every time he made fun of the Lannisters to their faces it was pure golden television.
***** That may be true, but he was also the same guy who made Lancel Lannister run and find his "breastplate stretcher" just for shits and giggles. So, he wins. Hah!
May the gods bless Bessie...and her tits!
Eric Connor Haha yea and loved Bessie :P. But to be honest he was a fool of a king whoring and drinking.
But at least he kept the realm at peace and then came LitteFinger and Lysa who killed Jon Arryn and Cersei and Jaime getting caught leading to the Bran débâcle. and Catelyn Stark getting Tyrion.
Grayson Maximillian Phoenix Yeah, how soon people forget that these weren't things of Robert's making. Sure he bankrupted the realm and put it into massive debt, but he wasn't the cause of the upheaval in high politics. That was all the making of the Starks and Lannisters.
Eric Connor True but primarily Lysa and Little finger who were the catalyst with the murder of Jon Arryn
Grayson Maximillian Phoenix Yep, Baelish truly is the root of it all, that's without doubt.
Ned was so angry about the deaths of Rhaegar's children, I can see why he hated the idea of having to assassinate another Targaryan child.
He also raised his half-Targaryen Nephew.
That's not how families work you know....Jon is all Targaryen. Just like Robb isn't half-Stark. (Rhaegar and Lyanna married).
GabrielNicho Which is just a theory. No proof that Rhaegar and Lyanna got married. No matter how likely or possible it is, it's not proven so it is just speculation and conjecture. So genetically, Jon is half-Targaryen no matter what you say.
Legendary Niwatori
But when you say that Jon is a bastard that's also speculation (which he would be if Lyanna and Rhaegar didn't marry). We know that Lyanna isn't presented as someone who would be anyones mistress, and Rhaegar is presented as honour itself, we also know the Targaryens can take several wives. It's very unlikely that they didn't marry. We also know all the prophecies about the dragons three heads and all that, and we all know Jon has been a whiny lil bitch about being a bastard (which ofc the big reveal will be that he isn't). And I didn't know there were any specific Targaryen genes =P, if anything he is half-valyrian, and not "half-targaryen". He can't be half of a family name can he?
GabrielNicho Everything we know about Jon's parents is hearsay from other characters. No matter how honorable those individuals may be, we hear various sides of the story from so many individuals, there is no one solid truth. It is all theoretical.
Horrible King or not, Robert is just fantastic.
Ours is the fury
Tino Aye!
Kept the peace for 20 years, he's actually a great king.
Shakira Daley Well, he did and he didn't. For most of the time leading up to his death and after the rebellion which made him a King, Robert was genuinely feared enough to be eft well alone; only the likes of the 'pouting Ironborn' under Balon Greyjoy seriously dared to launch a large scale rebellion, from their secluded and far-from-most-places Iron Islands.
Balon Greyjoy declared himself the Salt King and was instantly outnumbered by around 10 to 1 by the mainlanders. It was supreme folly. The only real hope of them winning came from a naval victory, and Stannis Baratheon's shocking, decisive naval victory at Fair Isle, completely denied them this. After that point it was just an island hopping Westerosi victory, led by the North, Baratheon's and the Kingsguard themselves.
Other than Balon Greyjoy going all Leeroy Jenkins and daring to take on all of Westeros by himself with no allies, testing the outright strength of the Ironborn to its uttermost breaking point (and costing him three sons in the process, two of which being killed outright) nobody else seriously launched an even slightly viable campaign against Robert's reign.
I completely understand and agree that Jon Arryn did all the hard political graft as far as ruling and maintaining things are concerned; Robert was...Robert. We all know what that means. Profligate, ignorant, bombastic, overbearing, up for fighting, bored of peace, bored to death by Kingship; but greedily reaping all its benefits including drinking and whoring with as many women as possible. Well, I didn't say he was perfect! ha
He is just a silly dude but a man's sort of man you know? A bit of a legend, who knows he is, a bit too much. And, instead of make himself better, lives and muses on past glories, getting fatter, slower and drunker by the day.
These things are undeniably true.
*However* even Cersei acknowledged when they were married, she had the hots for Robert, being tall, lean and fierce, black bearded and taller than most other men alive.
He was very strong back then. And over 6 foot 6, built like the proverbial brick shithouse.
He had large Stormlander army of well over 30,000 Baratheon loyalists, and had even integrated former Targaryen loyalist supporters into his ranks, even into his very own Kingsguard, like Ser Barristan Selmy (a fellow countryman of the Stormlands, to Robert) of House Selmy of the Stormlands. A wise move, what with Selmy's legendary skill and reputation. However, more than just a sign of how Robert could use his own men to his advantage - a sign he respected some of them too, and made allowances for them.
He could have just had Selmy executed, for all his fighting skill, but he wanted him alive.
Stannis marveled and was yet confused at how one day Robert could be fighting with someone, and the next day brawling and roaring with laughter drunk as a lord in a tavern with them the next (with some tavern wenches to sexually sate them for the day too) He was a bit of a mad bro.
People couldn't help like him or be wowed by him. Towards the time we see him in Season 1, is when his 'light' has faded most terribly, and he is the worst he has ever been. However, even years after his coronation, many feared to even mention challenging him; they remembered how Robert had sunk his warhammer right into the bold Prince Rhaegar Targaryen's chest and brutally defeated the Targaryen's last hope in that war. They remember who toppled the defences at Pyke so far from King's Landing, and rallied the Seven Kingdoms to his banner in their tens of thousands to collectively crush the Ironborn, for all their strength.
A bad King, and yet....a strong King. Contextual matters play into this a lot.
Shakira Daley You do this all the time lol going around making overdramatic responses I notice you everywhere haha
Robert is a bit of a dudebro for sure, and saw things how he wanted. But he wouldn't be alone in doing this. He isn't half as bad as you make him out to be. He is a rubbish King for sure, and even blames Kingship itself for what has become of him. He says to Ned, look what Kinging has done to me.
And seriously, get a grip about the Greyjoy Rebellion thing.
Some things to consider;
a) Balon Greyjoy like many Ironborn, was a man who wanted to reave and pillage, rape and murder. He did, a lot in his time. He'd sent Euron to burn the Lannister fleet and its sailors alive at anchor, and raid Lannisport. His longship galleys raided the Northern fishing villages and he and his men raped many women and enslaved others.
b) No, Robert was not immediately excited to fight the Ironborn for *those* reasons and the direct cause of justice; even Stannis noted his excitement was obvious and he clearly understood violence whereas Kingly rule had eluded him. Beneath his apparent rage at Balon, he was actually happy to have someone to swing his warhammer at again. This is true, nobody is denying that. Point is, to boil Robert down to this being his only mindset, is somewhat unfair. There is a lot more going on with him.
Like Ned, he was raised as a foster child in the Eyrie by Jon Arryn.
Robert even admitted it wasn't Jon Arryn's fault he didn't, as Ned did, follow his advice and upbringing.
Remember, the Baratheon brothers lost their parents in the incident in Shipbreaker's Bay, when Steffon Baratheon and his wife were returning from the Mad King's mission (failed mission) to find a Valyrian blooded woman in the free cities for Prince Rhaegar to marry, and drowned as Stannis and Robert watched.
c) Are you really going to compare Robert to Gaston from the Little Mermaid ffs? When Robert watched the reign of the Mad King, when he saw his own parents die by drowning in front of their own home as a child, when Robert saw his friends lose everything they ever loved in the rebellion? When he lost the love of his life young (even if she didn't really love him) Whatever. Go compare Robert to someone with a bit more sense than a douche dude broski like Gaston haha that is a very thin comparison.
There are plenty of other characters better suited to the Gaston comparison, and some could include slave masters in Astapor, Yunkai and Mereen. That overwhelming arrogance and mindless assumption of superiority.
Robert was a true warrior. He knew that. He admitted his flaws openly, though would get angry of course if anyone else did. You seriously don't understand his character if you are just going to draw a link to Gaston ffs lol
He is far more subtle than that in his character.
Flawed heavily, yes, brutal at times, certainly. But don't overlook how he rode for a month solid from King's Landing to the North, because he wanted his best friend back, and admitted to rule the Seven Kingdoms for him. Robert was in a den of snakes and was in a round and abouts sort of way, scared, and wanting his only true friend back.
Think about that.
I'll have your head on a spike lol he freaking love Ned, he couldn't stand the idea of him leaving. Wish we had more of Ned and Robert in the series they are great characters
Yeah. I threaten to have my friend's head on a spike when they turn their back on me to run back to winterfell too.
Mister Hamlicrazy123 Robert was obviously bluffing 🙄
@@christianpinckard1924 Too bad Joffrey didn't get the joke...
Mister Hamlicrazy123 Whelp, they’re both dead. Oh well Lmao
I think you could see tears forming in his eyes when he said “Out. Out damn you!”
Some of Bean's best acting, which is high praise indeed
Joseph Ladley hear hear
Mofriese If only we could have had more of it!
***** Agreed! I think it's fair to say that most readers of the books/viewers of the show are desperate to know more about The Mad King, Rhaegar, Lyanna Stark etc. Who knows though, perhaps they may touch upon those storylines with flashbacks!
***** Eh... GRRM would have to write detailed plot for that, and as a writer of a book myself, I wouldn't subject him to that kind of pain at any time. But yes, it would be neat.
***** I've made a couple of videos, but nothing special. It was grueling to make those videos as well, but I'm not particularly educated in it.
Game of Thrones is based on the story of A Song of Ice and Fire, no matter how many small deviations have been done. HBO would most likely have to have a very detailed plot from GRRM to make a TV show leading up to GRRM's current writings.
What's up with the hostility at the end there?
I love that Robert says that it's "fear and blood" which keeps the seven kingdoms together considering that the Targaryen motto is "Fire and Blood." Especially since Ned compares him to the Mad King soon afterwards.
+OneOnOne1162 What's even more ironic is that Robert is related to King Aerys though his father :p
+theeGLAMstarr09 ...you know, I was thinking about that..
it really sucks that of the 3 rebel leaders Robert was the only one with any royal blood... if either Ned or Jon had any similar kind of bloodline one of them could have been king instead (which would have probably been better for everyone, including Robert)
Wow that's a really good point!!
@@devingiannini2077 well, after the rebelion and downfall of the Targaryen dinasty, Robert had more chance to claim the Throne because of his Targaryen relatives. Robert's grandfather (Osmund) was married to Rhaelle Targaryen, Jahaerys II's sister. Jahaerys then had Aerys II (the Mad King) and Rhaella who had 7 childs wich 3 of them survived birth: Rhaegar, Viserys, Daenerys. So in resume: Robert was like a 3rd degree cousin of Daenerys
No need. The Targarians married the Martells and the Martells have royal blood. Prince Doran Martell has no less right to the throne than the usurper Robert
Honestly, Ned's words were completely justified. I mean, after Viserys' death, Drogo had absolutely no interest in going to Westeros.
At least until his wife and unborn son were threatened by an assassin, which Robert had sent.
That my friends, is what we call irony.
***** No, which Varys sent.
Rosebunse Under order by the king.
+NicholasGeschke never looked at it that way..nice
+vasyasol Varys is Targarian loyalist, he wants Dany or Viserys as rulers of the realm.
+NicholasGeschke You know I wonder Robert doesn't seem really interested in being King, he likes drinking and tourneys but he doesn't relish power like Cersei does, he seems to be holding on to the iron throne as some of revenge against Targs. Him wanting Dany dead is also him being bitter about what happened with Lyanna that is why he let himself go physically and mentally and just bitching about Targs his sole purpose of living.
man mark addy plays robert baratheon so well... from this scene alone you could do a whole character study of the king, that is some awesome quality acting right there
Yet the show managed to make him one of the more easily forgettable characters.
Really? I thought the show did an excellent job with Robert.
+Nick Crash Hardly. The most forgettable character is the emo Jon Snow.
Mr33500 If you have watched the first season only, that's correct.
Nick Crash No, it counts for every season.
I wonder if Joffrey heard Robert yelling and that's why he killed Ned.
"I'll have your head on the spike!"
Well, he did want to be like “his father”
Officially: Everyone in this scene is dead.
Varys was so damn brilliant.
As a matter of fact, the only "powerfull" character that survived through the war... Is youg lord Arryn !
The 8 season dont count
Not in the books because Ser Barristan is there in the books.
Shut the fuck up
I want someone to have a flashback to Ned Stark in some future episode, just so Sean Bean can have a cameo; remind us of the good old days.
I remember in one of the episodes in season three, they were showing the "Previously in Game of Thrones" part, and they showed a bit of this scene with Ned in it
I mean a whole new scene with him, but as part of someones flashback obviously.
Ohhhh that would be really nice! I do want to see him again :o
Derek JCG They're definitely going to do a flashback. Bran gets the ability to see through all of the weirwoods and witness the past, present, and future through them. I have a feeling that we're gonna see Ned Stark.. and I promise you even more.
+Derek JCG Apparently there's going to be a flash back scene with Sean Bean (I assume they'll use make up to make him look younger) fighting Arthur Dayne in his efforts to rescue his sister. Which would be cool.
"Should the Dothraki invade, how many innocents will die? How many towns will burn?" Oh snap.
they should not have sent that assassins the first place. i remembered that scene when drogo snapped of promising about iron suits and some chair lol xD
Mund 465 The Iron Chair for his son XD
Except Pycelle and Varys said that. Both proved that they were willing do cause chaos in order to seize power.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 Not seize power; maintain it
@@redxhand not really rhe dothraki only went to Westeros because Daenerys killed the khals and took over the hordes. Khal Drogo's rage against Westeros lead to nothing because he died.
R.I.P Ned Stark an honorable man who lived in a dishonorable world.
Should have stayed that way , rather than hoping for mercy from person like joffrey
@@mahendrarathore360But he was ready to die, he change his mind only to help his daughter.
@@mahendrarathore360dude love his family so much he ate his own ego and pride for them. But in the end it's to late 😢
2:05 "But I will not follow you now."
2:19 "I will have no part in it."
2:35 "Then good luck to him. I thought you were a better man."
My favorite moment from Ned Stark, from among many great moments.
and look at what his sutpdity got him. Killed and A dragon queen armed an unsullied, 3 dragons, sellswords and dothraki.
His stupidity got him killed, but that has nothing to do with him resigning as Hand. That was his honor (as Varys said) and being outwitted by Cersei.
And the dragon queen thing was due to Robert trying to assassinate Daenerys and Drogo being turned into a vegetable by that witch.
If anything, Ned Stark's recommendation would have *prevented* all that.
Have you even watched the show?
+Carbon Bonds (HCN) his "stupidity" is about to save his house lol
Brian Golden
his stupidty is what got his house destroyed in the first place.
Honestly, what got him killed was ultimately really bad luck. He warned Cersei that he would tell Robert about the kids, so he could give her a chance to run and save them. It was the right thing to do. Cersei's plan to have Lancel keep offering him wine so that he gets himself killed in the hunt had, like, a 1% chance of working.
I love their friendship. Robert is only so pissed because he values Ned's opinion more than anyone else's and Ned isn't going along with it. If it was someone else he wouldn't be that upset.
If only he had ran back to winterfell :'(
+Luis Hernandez Because Littlefinger convinced him to stay just a few more hours.
He would have been better off not leaving Winterfell in the first place.
+Dragongamer1001 Hot Pie: You mean WinterHell
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"I warned you this would happen back in the North, I WARNED YOU"
he just didn't care to listen...
THE WHOOOOOOOORE IS PREGGGGGNANT
"Come on boys. Let's go hunt some BOOOOOAAAR"
Lancel... GOOOOOOOODS what a stupid name!!!
Shuye *ARRRRRSEE
ThePalaeontologist No you killed it...
***** lol shut up ''Adeel''. No. I gave it the correct British English spin on it. Robert clearly says ARSE. Not the American ASS.
seems like old robert was right about terminating the targaryen.
Ikr.
sf predator he was a good man and a wise one for the most part.. he was a fat whoremonger and that was his undoing
He was fit for a warrior, not a king.
sf predator yeah
Without Daenerys, the Night King wins
Anyone here after watching 8x05?
Turns out Robert was right after all.
Corey Toomey me :)
me
meee and yes their prophecy is actually 10000000% more accurate than Mellisa, who could've thought that, this Honourable Fool is actually the cause!!
Even that Pycelle fuck is right. And Ned's actually dishonorable asf.
Hell, I thought he was right eight seasons ago.
Robert tells his Council to counsel. Ned quietly stands there and allows each councillor say their piece, one by one. When they finish, he speaks directly to Robert and only Robert, as if no one else was there. Ned was indeed honourable to a fault, but he was no fool. He knew the Small Council would never openly contradict their King, else the King finds someone else who wouldn't. So with Robert present at a council meeting, the Councillors were nothing more than yes-men of empty words.
ned KNEW robert they were like brothers in the rebellions against the targarians
how many times did robb get contradicted or questioned? like, all the time, and it ended up eventually creating his downfall.
The only one who is still alive at this table is Varys :(
Crichjo32 not for.long
LF could have lived too but the director just killed him off by making him dumber than ever.
Dude, don't just spoil on a video based around season 1. At least put a spoiler warning. It's people like you that ruined the Red Wedding for me.
In the books so are little finger barristan and stannis (who were in this small council).
Señor Serena he is not obligated to put a spoiler alert. take responsibility for your own actions. you checked the comment section, you got spoiled. you either stop doing it or stop crying about it
When he starts shouting, he actually manages to come across as pretty scary despite how jolly and wholesome he is prior to this scene
Imagine in the book where he is 6'4 ft tall when theaverage back then was 5'7 , he killed raeghar not becuse he was a better fighter just one swing from his Hammer was enough
I do not care if Ned was too honourable to survive everyone else, there needs to be at least a few people that do the right thing instead of worrying about their selfish survival, Ned was and still is the top dog (wolf).
Astrack BeReal
Are you blind or what?😂 the guy already stated "wolf" in brackets. such an idiot, i swear 🤣
Now the down wolf...all because he’s a honorable fool.
What about now huh?
Result : war
So ned accomplish what ?
@@hellatze yeah but thats more because he trusted petyr baelish than because of this
we are no better then the mad king
+Uncle Bob
*than
***** Than.
+Uncle Bob Well said Lord Stark.
Uncle bob don't trust littlefinger
I did warn you not to trust me
Robert Baratheon was such an awesome character. He is the stereotypical drunken barbaric king and I wish we got to see more from him. I actually wish we got a prologue season prior to season 1 that focused on Roberts rebellion. A young Ned and Robert kicking ass would’ve been a sight to see.
AFAIK we're getting a spinoff based off of Robert's Rebellion after the show concludes
Was he really THAT damn barbaric though? Uncouth yes but he was never a bully
ILL HAVE YOUR HEAD ON A SPIKE!!
that made me laugh so hard, dont know why
probably cause he'll never do that to his friend, but felt like saying it.
gotta love baratheons and starks.
His "son" made that into reality though.
yeah but hes not his son. He has nothing to do with robert
+Bud Light That's why the Son is in speech marks. ("Son")
+DeweyMcStewey
yeah lol dont know why he pointed out joffrey if he doesnt hace anything to do with robert
Tezuni is he?
It makes sense as to why Ned was so protective of Daenerys now.
I don't think it had that much to do with Jon honestly, Ned was already disgusted by what Lannisters had done to the Targaryens during sack of Kings Landing. He had no taste for dishonorable murders of children.
+Luthies but also it does make sense I'm surprised however considering what happened to Lyanna he still remain moral.
+Luthies actually if you remember Robert wants to kill every last targaryen. Jon is a targaryen. If Robert found out about Jon he would of killed him. So Ned actually doesn't want the targaryens killed anymore.
why not both
+Mack Ayache I agree it is his character and he would've objected either way, but them being family to Jon probably WAS in his mind, regardless of whether it had any impact on his mindset. Of course it's never said in the books whether that's the case or not, for obvious reasons, so who knows.
I love how he keeps screaming at Ned even after he's left the room lol.
lol I like how regardless of everything Ned and Robert still love each other like brothers. Ned's the only one who can get away with disobeying Robert or making personal jokes against him without facing consequences
as his brother he also the one who tell him the truth!
Man, it's perilous to be the Hand of the King:
1. Ned Stark: Beheaded
2. Tyrion: Demoted, framed, sentenced to death
3. Tywin: Shot on the shitter
+We Manchi Kevan died at the fifth book
kevan was blown up by his own niece.
Jon Arryn ded the first man to be dead on the show
Lol
jon arryn: poisoned by his wife, wisdom rossart: killed by jaime lannister, qarlton chelsted: executed via wildfire
Roberts racocious ranting at the end is hilarious 😂
Pycelle's line at 1:25 though...How many innocents will die
The friendship between Robert and Ned is priceless. Whatever Robert says, even he insults Ned, you can still feel that he deeply loves Ned. Once brothers in arms, always brothers in arms...
It's quite ironic that two of the worst kings the seven kingdoms have known in recent times were also the two who recognized Daenerys as a real threat.
Granted, Robert only wants her dead because her last name is Targaryen and not because he sees her as a threat to his rule, but Joffrey of all people also considered Daenerys a growing problem that needed to be taken care of before it was too late. Joffrey of all fucking people. He literally tells Tywin something needs to be done about her and Tywin, one of the shows more intelligent, strategic and competent leaders, shrugs it off like it's nothing.
While Joffrey was a complete savage, he had moments where he actually used his head.
+Jacob Kelly haha, true!
Robert is far from one of the worst kings. Except for the Greyjoy rebellion and the debt it was fine.
I don't think tywin ignored joffery completely. He knew danaerys was a problem, something he acknowledged in the small council meeting. But she was on the far side of the world and they had to take care of the present problems at the time:the war of the five kings. He was irritated that joffery who thinks he's being a good ruler by trying to take care of her now, but if they focused on her now, they'd lose the current war. Although he probably did underestimate the dragons thinking they will only be as big as apples, but tywin knew how to prioritize. How could they hold the seven kingdoms from her when the seven kingdoms are turning against them? Joffery was just stating the obvious, and tywin just didn't want joffery to interfere and mess things up.
Robert knew she was a threat. He was a bad king but a keen military man. There is a scene where he explains to Cersei what would happen if Daenerys invaded King's Landing
Also, Tywin knew as well. In the 4th season he tried to gain Dorn's allegiance because he knew that only the kingdom of Dorn resisted Aegon Targaryen's conquest and his dragons.
Based Bobby B. I can't find a single fault with this guy.
Ross Kaske yeah Robert always my favorite character in this show!
@@elestireninsanylmaz9581 Top 5 for me.
Alvaro De Grandes My Top 15: 1-Robert, 2- Ned, 3- Arya and Hound, Tormund, Lady Olenna, Season 1-2-3's Tyrion, Yara, Osha, Edd, Red Woman, Syro Forel, Jagen Hagar, Oberyn Martell and Myrli Thoros and Night King x))
These dialogues are what make this show so fucking great
I'm starting to make a distinction between a boring dialogue scene and an engaging one.
I also like Silver Linings Playbook and American Hustle, even scenes of people just talking are shot, written, have a good audio side and are performed in such a way to be very engaging.
Robert: You're the King's Hand, Lord Stark! You'll do as I command, or I'll find me a Hand who will!
Ned: What about Stannis? He's been fighting for you since he was a teenager despite every slight you throw his way and when you need someone who won't betray you, he's left on Dragonstone doing fuck-all?
+Lamporre That's a fair point. Wish Ned said that to Robert in the books.
+Lamporre Serving and failing. Stannis was commanded to capture the Queen, Viserys and Danny along with DragonStone. He failed and Danny escaped. Despite that Robert gave him command of the ancient home of the DragonLords, gave him a seat on the small council, gave him command of the King's fleets and what did Stannis do in return? Ran off when he found out his liege lord was in danger, waited for Robert to die so that he could press his own claim. Stannis betrayed Robert the day he decided to leave KL and let Robert die at the hands of the Lannisters.
Stannis didn't betray Robert. For starters Robert wasn't really in danger and stannis knew it. In second place, stannis didn't retreat to dragonstone because he expected to Robert to die and press his claim, but because he thought it was the best move, he didn't willingly let him die at lannister hands
Stannis didn't betray Robert. For starters Robert wasn't really in danger and stannis knew it. In second place, stannis didn't retreat to dragonstone because he expected to Robert to die and press his claim, but because he thought it was the best move, he didn't willingly let him die at lannister hands
"I'll have your head on a spike!"
That's some in-your-face foreshadowing.
Now we all see where Jof got this fetish from...
"Is it not wiser, even kinder, that Daenerys Targaryen should die now so that tens of thousands might live"? ......
Just came back here from Season 8 Episode 5 "The Bells", and after what Danaerys did to King´s Landing, looking back with perspective, Robert here sounds as smart as Lann the Clever and Ned a bigger fool than Ser Dontos and Patchface combined
Yeah, it's pretty awesome seeing this after "The Bells." Robert was right but if he's right, isn't Daenerys right that she needs to rule with fear and blood?
@@GizmoMaltese yeah you're right. She said herself no one loved nor cared for her in Westeros. Once people would've known what happened to KL they would've been smart to bend the knee to her or their people would have paid the price. But she's dead now so😂
Ned is nowhere near being a fool. Dany hatching her dragons is based on sheer luck (or chosen one bs), no way he could have predicted that.
@@inhthihoanglinh6858 true but the dothraki army was predicted. The unsullied were also predicatble.
Robert: The hoaaaaaar is pregnant
Jon: SHeS MAh qUEeN
Robert actually displays himself to be competent here
3rd concel meating he atended in 17 yeara
This is one of the reasons I love Ned. Because I feel the same way as he does. If I had to choose which character I would want to be in game of thrones, it would have to be either Ned or Robb. Why? Because they know the meaning of honor.
But sadly, they live in a world full of backstabbing :/
i love ned too, i just wish he was more aware of the political system
+Jaybird Jetwings Indeed. Many people say that it was Ned's honor that led to his death. That's not strictly true. It wasn't that he had honor. It was his assumption that other people cared about honor when they didn't.
+masteroftheassassins and it got them killed
+masteroftheassassins I'm sure you're a right fun fellow.
My king Robert was right all along...
Ulaş yess. En başından beri en sevdiğim karakter hep Robert olmuştu zaten. Adam her konuda Atatürk gibi ileri görüşlüydü :)
Daenerysi öldürmesi için katil göndermeseydi westerosa gelmiycekti. zaten abisi öldükten sonra niyeti yoktu ama ne ironi, katil başarısız oldu, tehlikeyi gören daenerysin sönmüş intikam ateşini körükledi. Gerçek bir domino taşı olayı.
Robert Baratheon was right all along :))
King Robert was warning us
HE WARNED US BACK IN THE NORTH, HE WARNED US BUT WE DIDN'T CARE TO HEAR
WELL TOO LATE TO HEAR IT NOW
BUT THEY ARE DEAD, MOTHER AND CHILD BOTH, ALSO THAT FOOL VISERYS
Robert was right all along
Robert's failed attempt to kill Dany started the course of actions that led to that.
2:48 "I'll have your head on a spike".
Joffrey : challenge accepted, daddy.
At the end of every season of Game of Thrones I come back to this scene and I love it more and more every year. The show is filled with petty hallow people who only care about their own power and glory and the monstrous things they do to attain it or keep it. However Ned... Ned was a human being someone with the natural reaction to a plan of murdering a girl and her unborn child. A man that would defend the last legitimate member of a house that murdered Ned's father and brother because he knows she isn't responsible for the sins of her father.
This honorable 'fool' was a hero in a world of monsters.
Well Pycelle had a point here, a prophetic one at that.
How does one weigh human life? I guess it's very easy to take the moral high ground when everything is sunshine and daisies.
BOBBY WAS RIGHT
HAIL TO THE KING
"Do you think it's honor that's keeping the peace? it's FEAR! FEAR AND BLOOD!
Tywin and Daenerys approves
“The WHOOOREE IS PREGGGNANT”
Best line read across the entire show
Careful, careful now !
“The Robert I grew up with, didn’t tremble at the shadow of an unborn child.” Ned is 100% absolutely right young Robert would have loved a true challenge to his rule like this. And Robert knows it that’s why he gets mad.
i thought he would say "if this is the will of the council... then gondor will see it done."
hahaha excellent
Funny enough, since Boromir would be the kind of guy who would do anything to win, even suggesting that they use Sauron's Ring of Power to do it. Ned Stark couldn't do a dishonorable or evil thing to save his life outside of killing wartime enemies and deserters.
So basically, if Boromir was on Ned Stark's shoes, he'd approve of the assassination attempt, while Ned Stark, had he been in Boromir's boots, would have never tried to lay claim to the One Ring of Power. Hell, he'd probably be a choice candidate to carry it since he's so damn incorruptible.
HolyknightVader999 He might have given the ring of power to Sauron.
Mr33500
Ned Stark wouldn't compromise with the likes of Tywin Lannister after the latter slaughtered the Targaryen children and Princess Elia. He wanted the Lannisters jailed for that. So he wouldn't compromise with the likes of Sauron, who was far worse than Tywin.
"RUN BACK TO WINTERFELL!!!! I'LL HAVE YOUR HEAD ON A SPIKE.
Interesting foreshadowing there, since King Joffery actually did put his head on a spike after he was beheaded.
Robert was right all along 👊
One of my favourite and most memorable moments of Ned Stark. Despite everything he goes against his king, the king who he helped seize the throne from the Targaryen dynasty a king who he says himself he's followed into war twice, who he would normally fight and stand beside but he will not have the blood of innocent children on his hands for their father's mistakes and misgivings. Whatever way you look at is Ned had a huge part to play in keeping the Daenerys, Viserys and of course Jon alive.
robert : i will have your head on a spike.
joffery : hold my beer
All these years later, everyone in that room is gone.
And 90 years from now so is everyone who has left a comment under this video.
@@B_B463 Maybe.
@@PR--un4ub Well I know that I’ll be. Doubt I’ll make it to 112 years old
@@B_B463 Medical technology could vastly improve in the interim.
How is it that Master Pycel was spot on 💀😂😂
Robert is a warrior before he became a king. A very powerful warrior! you can't mess with him..
HE WAS RIGHT, THE ONLY GOOD KING IN THIS SERIE
You fool, Ned...
leaves like the GIGACHAD he is
It goes to show how powerful a character Ned was, and how well he Sean Bean portrayed him, that he's still mentioned to this day as often as he is.
He was the last true king of westeros in the show before stannis.
Stannis was worse than joffrey
Ned Stark, one of the few virtuous men in the realm. A man of honor, Rest In Peace Lord Stark
Season 1 had such phenomenal acting and stayed faithful to the books
Robert tried to warn us. We didn't listen.
Robert warned about a Dothraki invasion which ended up helping out to save mankind from the undead. also his attempts to kill Dany only made her more determined to attack
Robert Baratheon was right.
daenerys was right
@@jackinsonpablanes760 no she fucking wasnt
CAREFUL NED CAREFUL NOOWWW
Mark Addy and Sean Bean had some of the best chemistry in all of television which is one of the reasons why I believe the first season is so good. Id love to watch a spin off on just Rob and Ned. Show how they grew up and eventually took up arms to overthrow the mad king
Love him or hate him, Robert was right all along
right about what?
In the end, Robert was right
He was
It is fucking fascinating and brilliant how insanely relevant this scene is 6 years later on season 7.
Who's here after S8E5? Turns out Robert was right after all!
These scenes take on a whole new meaning knowing what Ned was doing to protect Jon/Aegon.
Everytime you revisit season 1 especially scenes with Ned... you remember how dope he really was in a world that's so fucked up. He commanded and gained respect from being honorable and just to a fault.
Yep, that's why all the Stark children still reference and look up to him, while every other child in this series is either ashamed of, hates, or kills their parents.
Sorry King Robert we didnt listen to you.
Retrospect is always an interesting thing.
Seeing Robert at a small council meeting is like seeing Joffrey caring for wounded animals with love.
I love how Renly sums up the whole dilemma in just one short sentence.
God, the acting here is amazing. Props to all of this people, particularly Sean Bean and Mark Addy.
This sure as hell aged well. Bobby B was right all along! "Fear and blood"
He warned us and we didn't listen...
Every Ned scene got 10x better now that we know about Jon
Sharpe, Boromir, Ned Stark: Sean Bean has always played amazing characters.
THE BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I just realized that Petyr’s counsel is a great foreshadowing of his dealings with/manipulation of Lysa Tully, and his eventual betrayal and murder of her.