I never thought of it that way but that's a great point. Robert, at the end of the day, was a soldier. He lived for the fight. Once the fight was done there wasn't really much for him to do and he fell apart. That was the thing about the drinking and eating and whoring. He didn't know what to do with himself so he just gave in to his base appetites. That's why he was so relieved when the Greyjoy's revolted. That was a fight and it was something he could get into.
Can't blame him for being smug. Cucklold the king, with the knowledge any legitimate heirs he will ever have shall be yours. Robert knew all about it; he ordered Bran's assassination to keep it secret. Because to do otherwise would be to invite another war, and he had nothing left to fight for. His reason for rebellion was a one sided love for Stark's sister. He lost her, and then she died. So now? He shits and eats and fucks without care for tomorrow.
@@oVoidhawko I thought the assassination was ordered by Joffrey because Joffrey thought that when Robert said Bran should be put out of his misery, it was a go ahead to off him?
@@oVoidhawko Nah, man. Robert would have killed them if he knew. And Jaime cuckolding the King would be a W, if it wasn’t his sister. All it says is that the Lannisters are nuts. Roberts son lived on to inherit Storms End. Jaime, Cersei and all of their bastards born of incest died brutal deaths. His line has ended. Roberts lives on.
fat lizards Makes me wonder if he subconsciously knew about the nature of his "children" and was taking it out on every blond haired shit he could find, lol.
Tywin had honor. He never went after anyone unprovoked. He was into family security. No more. No less. He made moves once the opportunity presented itself, he didn't go around murdering people for it.
@@janellejulianajoy he lost all honor when he posed as a friend to Targaryen and came in kings landing and opened the city gates to Robert Baratheon Robert appreciated him ofc but both Ned and Robbert lost respect for the lannisters for betraying their king
@@evn2787 and told his men to murder Ellia Martell and her children becsuse of his hatred towards the mad king. And ruined Tyrion's only true marriage out of utter cruelty and hatred towards his son and an innocent woman.
Most of the scenes from Season 1 seem like they're from a show completely different than the one we're watching today. Everything just seemed grittier, smarter, more real.
I mostly think it is down to the earlier seasons being quieter and slower, it was geared towards building political intrigue and people trying to outsmart each other while staying at peace. Once the fighting starts its hard to do that since most characters have picked a side and only talk to their side.
because George knows how to do world building through dialogue and that's what you get in this scene. You get to understand everyone in this scene somewhat and their relationship to one another but you also learn a little more about the Mad King who is mysterious. The last two seasons we're dealing with the same characters that we know already the only thing that isn't mundane at this point is someone getting killed. I'm pretty disappointed with how unsurprising the army of the dead was and how characters have been reduced to groveling at one another
No expensive CGI, no big battle, not even any music. They're just talking and yet somehow this is still an amazing scene. Peak GoT truly was something special.
@@dimensionzone8048Yeah, you're in The minority on this one. Season 5 was still good, but when you really look at it, you can tell the quality of dialog starts to drop a little. Definitely had some great moments though.
Everyone has a limit, this scene doesn't exist in the books. It was written by D&D. It's just hard, nobody can be at the top of the game for this long even the best ones. I can't recall any show that didn't go downhill after season 5 or 6. It's just impossible, it took GRRM 25 years to write 5 books. I think long breaks are important for writing creativity.
Two, actually: One half wit with a stutter, and the other an Idiot with one ball and no brains. Both so stupid they couldn't find the breastplate stretcher before Winter came.
The look in Robert's eyes when Jamie said "Burn them all" says it all. That was the moment that he realized that Jamie saved *everyone* by betraying his oaths.
In the show it showed he had visions of the night king and the walkers. Maybe he knew the white walkers were coming and he went insane due to fear. Burn them all. 🙃
@@fluffygengar3533 interesting theory. I heard something like it on another channel where it’s suggested that Bran might’ve been the one who inadvertently showed the Mad King the future threat of the White Walkers and army of the dead. Bran could affect the past as shown by his interaction with Willis and him becoming Hodor as he heard Merra’s words to hold the door and saw himself holding back the dead.
@@fmod77 had a theory years ago that the Walkers were instrinsically linked to the Targaryens, or at least the fire and dragon-related magics of Valyria, and that they started moving when there were no more Targaryens on Westeros
Underrated piece of storytelling here is the mountains of respect between Jaime and Selmy. You can see the regard Selmy holds Jaime in, and the gargantuan level of hero worship Jaime has for the older man. Years of background info, backstory and character relationships and development shown with a few glances and subtle smiles.
Thing is though... It's more one-sided (as we later learn in the show and the books). Selmy saw Jaime as one who broke a sacred oath and profaned the position of Kingsguard (in the books it's basically said that Selmy thinks Jaime should have been made to join the Night's Watch). The mountains of respect might just be for Jaime's skill alone.
@@chukuemekaoje1015 Exactly what I was thinking. Jaime holds Selmy in extremely high regard for being the textbook example of what a knight should, body and soul. Selmy may recognize Jaime's skill, but he despises the man. The way he says "The Kingslayer" when Cersei tells him he's being replace by Jaime says it all.
Selmy seems so upset w Jamie when Selmy gets fired. Selmy loses a point imo because the Mad King deserved what he got. Selmy should at least acknowledge this.
It would probably go about the same as this went. Just imagine Jaime is Tywin and Ser Barristan is Eddard. Robert: Insulting drunk Tywin: Resting Lannister face Eddard: Stern and noble
@@karjeezus6490 What are you getting so worked up about? Yes the books were being used as a framework during this time, but this particular scene was made up by D&D, as was Robert and Cersei's conversation about their marriage and Lyanna Stark in episode 5 of season 1. I'm disappointed as you are with how below par season 8 turned out, but I'm just giving credit where credit's due.
@@karjeezus6490 Instead of their praises being sung through the annals of history for creating the best TV show all time, now D&D's names will forever live on in shame because of how badly they messed up the final season due to their lack of care.
“Same thing he’d been saying for hours. Burn them all.” “If your king asked you to stand by while thousands of innocents burned alive would you do it? Would you keep your oath then? By what right does the wolf judge the lion?!” Season 8 “To bE HoNEst I neVER cAReD abOUt tHe PeoPLe” *thank you d&d*
Season 6 *Cersei blows up the sept killing about a hundred people with the wildfire he hates so much* Season 7 Jaime to Olenna "Do YoU tHiNk PeOpLe WiLl CaRe HoW sHe BuIlT tHiS wOrLd"
This scene is so well acted and written. The thousand yard stare when Robert put words to his trauma of killing a person for the first time. How clear he makes it that he thought so much about how it didn't have to happen. The laughing at his own misery over things he can't quite regret and can never forget. The desperate and immediate need to dull the feelings he digs up by going through everything again, and the need to air it out and know he's not alone. He clearly didn't want to kill the boy, but since the war had started and the only alternative was to die he fought back with all he had, he's back in that very moment so he feels his body and the situation like it was happening now, he sees the contrast between what he just felt and what his life currently is, he's watching the Tarley boy die all over again, he imagines a world where that death didn't happen, Robert blames his enemy for forcing him to kill. Then he invites Jamie in, hoping to recognize and justify himself in another man's trauma, only to realize no violence he ever inflicted on anyone was ever as justified as killing the mad king... Fucking gorgeous. So human, so real, so many opportunities for a viewer to relate, so many regrets and justifications for why those actions don't warrant regret, so much naked humanity on display in such an interesting setting! This is what made the show so great. The conversations, the subtext, the character flaws, the feeling that everyone either was or could be a version of someone you had actually met. I suppose this is why I have to read the books but I'm scared to start before the series has finished
Im a 59 year old former Marine scout sniper. Combat veteran. Roberts monologue rings so very true. The horror. The sadness. The madness. The never ending pain. The stupidity of it all. Killing isn’t poetic. Or heroic. Or cool. It’s horrifying.
The books are true writers porn. They're fucking beautiful. Although some scenes in the show were funnier than in the books. But the books outshine the show by at least 300 miles.
Go ahead and read the books. They are significantly better than what you get in the show and there are a lot of them. It will take you some time to get through them.
In the show barristan its like a teenage idol for jaime (in the books was arthur dayne), and represents what jaime wanted to be before joining the kingsguard (and all the crap he lived since then)
@@bensonfang1868 Well, he does have tywin as his father and he had quite a bit of skill before he lost his hand. It's a mix between earned and unearned cockiness
Jamie was a narcissist but, that doesn't mean he had zero respect for others. One thing they made pretty clear early on was his respect for fellow warriors. Even Ned Stark, who he was at odds with.
I love the shock on everyone when Jamie talks about how mad the mad king really was. It shows that most people didn't realize truly how far gone he was and why Jamie killed him.
This is also comes back when Ned resings from his position as king's hand. When Ned tells Robert that he proceeds with assasination of Daenerys he's no better than the mad king, Robert loses his shit. And no wonder why: in his mind it must've hurt that his most trusted, maybe only, friend compared him to a beast that tried to destroy his own domain while he is trying to save it. It even gets worse, when while dying Robert admits that Ned was right: he was ready to kill 16 year old Daenerys and her child only so that he could stay in power for a while longer, same thing that the mad king did to countless others and what he resented Tywin Lannister doing to Elia Martell.(Precisly, according to Jaime, Robert was relieved that he didn't have to worry about Targeryan bloodline but he was also ashamed that he was relieved)
Yes, but none of these people have the background context that we do, thanks to our seeing Jaime's conversation with Brienne. *We know* that Aerys formed a wildfire plot with his pyromancers, and *we know* about the Caches of Wildfire across the city, and their destructive power. Jaime had never told the rest of the story - he hated Robert, and he'd always felt a mix of shame and resentment toward Selmy - so he'd never have told them. They weren't his confidants. It's obvious Selmy and Robert *did not* know this. They only knew about Aerys being utterly mad, so here, they're just hearing a graphic tale about a boy killing a madman, as like as not on his father's orders. You can't retroactively superimpose plot revelations onto characters.
Now Robert is dead with all the other true greats. He could have lingered at the edge of the series with the other lesser characters and today; his dialogue would be terrible, any character development would probably get thrown out the window and he'd still be waking three times in the night to piss into a bowl. Wine!
@@nelly9206 I don't want to see young Robert fighting if it is as lame as GOT battles (even Battle of Bastards with retarded tactics kinda sucked). This short dialogue was more dramatic than any GOT battle presented.... and so was the 15 second flashback "Burn them all." which is shame.
@@EroticOnion23 he likely never bothered to make anymore of a point after he heard what Ned said. Naming him king slayer then keeping him around Cersei.
@@320FL Not at all, when he was in his prime, Barristan would have, but not in his condition now. In the show they really spit on Jaime's ability, like his fight with Brienne. In the books Jaime is in far worse conditions, not only his hands were chained, his feet were too, he lost a lot of weight and strenght because of starvation after a whole year of prison, and even because they spent a lot of time running away to not be captured, Jaime even felt like his swordmanship after that year got worse than rotten, practically putriefied, and yet Brienne barely survived against him, she could barely block a swing that another one was already about to strike her down, and she "won" only because he soon got tired since he was in awful conditions. She even think that even if his body wasn't in such bad shape, even chained he would have utterly destroyed her and that probably no swordman in the seven kingdom would have been able to defeat Jaime (unlinke in the show in which she mocks his ability saying that he was overhyped by rumors)
Robert remembered the faces of all the men he had killed but couldn’t remember Lyanna’s face, even though she left a hole that ‘seven kingdoms’ couldn’t fill! That’s deep.
@@Phantom19913 I think it's more that Robert fell in love with an idealized version of Lyanna, rather than the woman herself. In all likelihood even if they had married he likely would've given into his base urges anyway. Might've taken longer perhaps, but at the end of the day he could never control his wants and impulses.
@@lordcoltrane5630 surprise surprise the teleporting greyjoy fleet is here, would be shame if we accurately shot ur dragon 3 times behind a mountain. Winter is here, JK its still a myth to the rest of the 7 kingdoms.
Not crazy at all my friend...the dragons have always been out of place in this series, there is no cleverness, wit, or scheming that can be done with them. Scenes like this show pathos and the human heart in conflict with itself, much more interesting than """""hype""""" moments of violent spectacle.
@@YungJaime73 I think the main reason we think that way (because I do actually agree) is because the dragons only really started playing an important role from season 5 onwards, which is exactly when the writing started going downhill rapidly.
@@YungJaime73 could have worked well with the tone of the first few seasons I think. George RR Martin always envisioned the dragons to be the nuclear weapons of Westeros. I can see huge potential for intriguing debates and conversations as these characters try to stop Dany from essentially dropping an atomic bomb on King's Landing. If they were more subtle with how the dragons were used it could have been fantastic.
I'm so fucking tierd of dragons. In almost every form. Every time they show up in a story, the exact same thing happens. They aren't interesting or cool anymore, and they always gets taken down by some Hollywood, bullshit move that nullifies all their scariness and meaning.
+Kaleb Blakemore I don't think that's actually true that he saved Robert. Robert was injured at the trident so he sent Eddard ahead of him to witness Jaime's betrayal (that's why Jaime is obsessed with Eddard judging him and not Robert.). Robert wasn't there at that battle, but Robert does of course see that there was more to Jaime's decision than meets the eye.
Robert was injured at the trident; Jaime only technically saved His own fathers army and maybe Neds army as he was sent down to kingslanding as robert was too injured to go.
@@chrisdawson1776 no it’s a genuine observation though. He probably fantasized and idealized so much about her that he can’t fully picture who she really was when he loved her. That, and she was busy loving someone else. Does that fit into your response very well?
@@darth856 GRRM was actually very surprised to hear that they were ending the show at season 8. He said they could have easily gotten 13 seasons from the material in the books.
@@misspopcoin2204 and they could make extra prequel shows (roberts rebellion, aegons conquest or a story on any of the targareyans (the dragon knight, the rogue prince, aegon the V and extra) or even valyria and essos)
Not really. If the mad king had blown up KL, it would only be ned, tywin with their armys that wouldve died (along with all of KL ofc). Robert stayed behind at the trident cause he was wounded.
@@TheStopShort No... because he would be dead. Jaime said it himself. He meant to nuke ALL of kings landing, including himself. Either thinking becoming a dragon or wanting to spite robert. I think in the books it was to spite robert, in the show because he wanted to become a dragon (these are both jaime's accounts in book and show respectively)
What I love most about this scene is after Jaime says "burn them all," you can see in Robert's face his discomfort with the idea that Jamie was justified in killing Aerys. Robert looks for so many reasons to hate the Lannisters, but he can't find it with this one in this moment.
When Robert calls Jamie in to share war stories, he does so expecting to rub Jamie's bad reputation in his face by calling him the kingslayer and recalling the very moment Jamie became the kingslayer. Instead, Jamie reveals a small bit about the hard, brutal truth of what happened that day and it leaves Robert speechless
Something I didn't quite catch was at 1:46 he starts talking about what the Tarly lad would have if he hadn't died, but doesn't list a single good aspect about surviving war, and becomes increasingly aggravated as he does so. It makes me think that Robert is actually describing himself, perhaps wishing he had the fortune of dying in battle rather than lingering on as an ageing, jaded drunk.
not everyone are made to be king... he never wanted to, he would have been happy being a mercenary company leader or being married to a woman he loved, he was a simple and strong man born into a powerful family.
No. Midway, he was talking about Rhaegar and he mentioned the rebellion. You can tell that he was trying to provoke Barristan since he was one of Rhaegar's most trusted friends.
In the books there is one line that caught my attention. He says he would love to just run away with a hammer in hand as the runaway king, but leaving the kingdom to his son Joffrey stopped any further thought of that
Mark Addy doesnt get the recognition that some of the other cast does but this was a really powerful scene that benefits from his performance. He seems so disturbed by Jaime's words, like he's just now realizing just how important it was that Jaime did what he did
I actually think Mark Addy's acting is on par with everyone's in Season 1, and perhaps it's the best overall. He really does transpire former joviality, bitterness, and his voice Inflexions are great.
"And today his wife would be making him miserable" a reference to Cersei "His sons would be ingrates" to Joffrey "He'd be waking up 3 times in the night to piss into a bowl" to himself
This scene made me wonder about Jaime, before Season 3 shed more light on the subject. "he said the same thing he'd been saying for hours. Burn them all." That look that Robert gives him when he says it too. Its almost like Robert sees Jaime truly for the first time. Powerful Scene.
It's like no one even thought to ask him why he did it until now. Maybe the whole time Jaime was waiting for that, but he'd never say it by himself because it would seem like he was making excuses. The way Robert's expression changes, it's just dawning on him that there might be more to the story than he realised
@@widukindgaladh949 I have a feeling the reason why they're so good, is that GRRM wrote them. OC scenes are turned terrible soon as GRRM stopped working on the show. I think they told him they needed a Robert/Jaime scene (as there wasn't a real one in the books) so he wrote this. Same with the Robert/Cersei scene.
@@newpgaston6891 nah dude some scenes like this D&D came up with themselves. They're great at adapting books and including scenes that make them better. They didn't have a guide after they ran out of source material and it frankly looks like around season 7 they lost interest. All this led to their shitty season 8
Giantdad Lives So you're saying they've been lying around the city for 17 years, unknown to anyone... But in a few months before they are suddenly needed, they were all found by accident? Doesn't that sound silly to you?
It's implied that Cersei sent Qyburn to look for the wildfire and he found it. Remember what she told Tywin in season 4? She would burn their house to the ground before letting others take her Tommen away from her. Sounds pretty worrisome now, doesn't it?
It's been a decade but I always end up coming back The way Jaime becomes so serious the MOMENT the mad king's name is spoken The way there isn't a hint of snide or pride or anything but complete and utter seriousness when he speaks The way the other two can only stare The way Robert realizes the brevity of those very very few words, that 3 word quote And the way Jaime ends the tension by resuming the Lannister persona and just leaving The old writing was so enamoring and I'm so sad it all faded away so horribly, I miss this side of this show
He is goddamn fucking amazing here, no doubt about it. That look in his eyes at around 4:20 is so real and raw. Charles Dance (Tywin) and Alfie Allen (Theon) are incredible actors too. Play their characters perfectly with such raw unnerving perfection.
Still a lot of good actors there. Orlenna, Jorah Mormont, The hound, Tyrion, Bronn, Littlefinger, Varys, Jamie, Cercei, Melissandre, Davos Seaworth, Arya, Sansa, Theon and quite a few more are all played by great actors.
The way Nikolaj delivered that ‘burn them all’ with the expression on his face is chilling. You can tell that night haunts him for the rest of his life. He saw a madman break loose in his final moments, something out of a horror movie.
Can we talk about how dumb Jaime's death was. He was one of the best written characters of the whole story, grey and tragic and very dimensional and ended up dying by rubble. Fucking RUBBLE. He deserved a lot better than that, Cersei did as well. She was a brilliant villain with many layers and was so easy to hate.
@@theonionsystem7779 People would be whinging about the show taking so long if they took their time. What they really needed was George Martin as a co-writer on those seasons. George let everyone down.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken" - Darth Bane
I watch this scene again now. About 8 years later and after season 8 episode 4. *gods, the writing was good back then* No battle, no dragons, no cgi. Just a handful of passionate actors sharing stories and I'm here glued to the screen with goosebumps.
That's because he didn't love her. He was just obsessed with her. For If you ACTUALLY LOVE someone, and they don't love you back, you respect their wishes, as hard as that might be. Robert, in reality, is nothing more than a spoiled-boy throwing a temper tantrum. It was just unfortunate for Rhaegar that angry boy can swing both of his "hammers" like Thor himself. #ImHereAllWeek
@@mycommentpwnz Agreed he was obsessed. But I thought he and everyone else believed Rhaegar had kidnapped her. Why Rhaegar and Lyanna didn't come clean with their dalliance is up for debate. Most people say he didn't want to offend the Martells (Family of his first wife). Or that his father wouldn't allow it. But it still feels like a gaping plot hole to me.
@@zachholt2085 Ah, yeah. That's true/great point. Robert believed she was raped and kidnapped. Perhaps they (R & L) didn't tell anyone because their desires/wishes didn't matter, so telling people would do nothing but shame the Martell family. Love doesn't stand in the way of family & duty for high-born women. She was "assigned" to Robert, and it was either have Rhaegar (and his allies) kill him in battle, or Lyanna was going to have to marry him. After further contemplation, it's actually very similar to the story of "Troy." A beautiful woman is married (or in this case, intended to be married) to some warrior/brute, and she is unhappy with her marriage. Then, some handsome prince comes to the rescue. Yet, In both stories, both kingdoms of the "rescuers" were destroyed. I guess the moral of both stories is this: love CAN'T conquer ALL things after-all.
@@zachholt2085 I wish they do a Prequel about Robert's Rebellion . Far more content in there . Want to see Petyr get his Ass handed to him by Brandon . Varys as a little bird and The Mad King time period when Tywin was still a Bitch and was plotting his Rise .
The reaction of Robert when Jaime said “he’d be saying the same thing he said for hours, burn them all” made me think that Robert had heard some rumours but now he knows it’s true
4:15 Jamie's look of PTSD here from his usual smug, handsome, satisfied face throughout season 1 is such great foreshadowing to when he later tells the full story to Brienne in the baths. If you'd never read the books, it only fills you with wonder that the story behind "burn them all" really is, and you get such a satisfying revelation scene that much later in the show. Too bad we never got anything past season 4, imagine how much more of that great dialogue and scenes there could've been.
When you watch his eyes, it's like halfway through that line, you can see the horrible memories flooding in. When he says "He said the same thing he'd been saying for hours," he's still present, in the moment, talking to Robert. When he says "Burn them all," he's reliving that moment and everything he felt in that moment is coming back to him. He's not in the present, he's back in the throne room, back to watching the mad king's final moments
Not really. There was no political discord during his reign outside of the Greyjoy rebellion. No one had beef with one another. That happened after Jon Arryn died. It's interesting to see where this would've gone had Robert lived. Finding out Cersei's children aren't his would've probably caused a war in itself because it's no secret he'd kill her, the kids and Jaime, and no way in hell would Tywin let that stand.
Cherylle Johnson My guess would be if that does happen and war breaks out between tywin and robert, atleast 3 kingdoms would support robert (Dorne, Stormlands and The North, all for obvious reasons) and i dont see anyone supporting tywin
@@janellejulianajoy If Robert didn't die from his injuries, Ned wouldn't have been executed. And when the secret came out, the Baratheon's and the Stark's would have probably formed an alliance and gone to war against the Lannisters.
@mxt mxt Im a bit late to the party but they definitely would of been destroyed, im not sure if renly was already betrothed to margery but stannis would of followed robert being his king (and that being his character) the riverlands already having a grudge because of the mountain, the north for attacking ned, the vale being out of the fold but still hated the lanisters and also dorne and the iron islands pillaged, not many allies left lol.
Season 1 had the lowest production budget and is still one of the best seasons, the writing, story, acting and production just blew you away. This season was what got me interested in the books.
Season 8 had the highest production budget and is still one of the worst seasons, the writing, story, teleporting and pacing just pushed you away. This season was what got me disinterested in the show.
i absolutely love Robert's story here. I think he sees himself in the boy he killed; he thought he could end the injustice and the horrors of the Targaryen rule by just marching into King's Landing and killing the mad king, but war is bloody and a lot of people had to die just for him to get where he is, and even then, Robert isn't happier here. Had the boy lived, he'd be in the same position Robert would be in now, sure he doesn't have a crown, but Robert doesn't care about that. He cares about all the discontents in life.
Nah, I don't think he would've liked that. He loved the idea of Lyanna; a woman to make him whole, to make him and Ned brothers-by-law, rather than by friendship. If he and Lyanna had been married for long enough, he would've been as miserable as he would've been with Cersei, minus the incest and scheming. @@appa609
I find it quite telling that Robert remembers his first kill so vividly but can’t even recall Lyanna’s face the reason he started the Rebellion for. He was a blood hungry warrior first, not a romantic or a lord. He simply fell on the Iron throne due to his Strength
It’s normal. Ned can’t remember the faces of his comrades and friends at the Tower of Joy but he can remember the faces of the men who killed them. Adrenaline and stress will do weird things to the brain. There is also the scene later in the show of the Black Brother talking about his brother’s killer where he says he can’t remember his brother’s face but can still remember the face of his killer.
True. Dialogues and acting are the two factors that made the show so good. There were only two scenes that left some impact in the 8th season. Tyrion and Sansa in the crypt and Dany with Drogon behind her back. Dialogues sucked.
This scene is four and a half minutes of pure dialogue. In season 8 "dialogue" lasts no more than 40 seonds, consists purely of smalltalk and quips and always cuts off before it reaches conclusion.
4:13 that subtle hardening of Jaime's expression as he says that, rendering King Robert momentarily speechless. Great acting from Mark Addy and especially Nikolaj Coster-Waldau.
Jaegar Ultima Aery's words alone disturbed Robert and this is without knowing the true extent of Aery's obsession with Wildfire. Quickly disposing a mad ruler before he killed more innocents seems logical but from the perspective of honor driven judgemental individuals, like Ned Stark, only see it as a despicable act regardless of the circumstances.
+Jaegar Ultima Robert didn't give two fucks about the mad king. He despises all targaryians. His reaction seemed more like "Oh, he was fucking crazy after all"
+Julio Catalan I don't think Ned knew the extent of Aerys madness, he knew about his dad and brother but he thought that he was just a king insulted by a lord and his son. Not a mad man obsessed with destruction and wildfire. All he knew was that when he arrived Aerys was dead and Jaime was sitting on the throne, he never knew the whole story
You know I think the best thing about the first season and the first book was that they had peaceful time to reflect on the recent history. As the story began to take shape, there was less time for reflection as the wars began to consume the world. That's what's so brilliant about GOT/ASOIAF. so many series just rush into their stories, completely ignoring the opportunity to flesh out the story like they did earlier. One of the things I love about the show is that it gives us scenes like this that the books couldn't since not of these guys were viewpoint characters at the time. Hell its funny, my two favorite scenes in S1 were book changes, bravo D&D bravo. As for S6, the scene with Edmure and Jaime, I know some people, especially some book readers, weren't happy with it, but I still consider it my second favorite Jaime scene of the series, followed by this one(cause this one wasn't focused on Jaime specifically) and obviously the bathtub scene.
Striker163 The first season almost feels like a different show. Like you said, it was pre-war and pre-White Walkers so it truly was our only glimpse at the "normal" Westeros. Jaime's story in particular is really compelling because I hated his guts in the first season, but now I kind of respect him.
Striker163 it's the same with music, the first album or series is usually one of the best because there's little to no studio or producing pressure on the people involved
+Baldo Karinja He did refer to the Mad King which makes it a cheap shot, since Jaime is still despised for breaking his oath and killing his own king who was an old man which is why Robert said he doesn't count, because it wasn't very honorable kill.
Yeah, he was. But Jaime was the youngest knight of the Kingsguard in history, being only a teenager at the time of his appointment to the position so he was approximately a little over half of the King's age. Also the Mad King was in so poor health that his physical state was basically that of a much older man. I found the following from gameofthrones.wikia.com: "Aerys's growing madness took a drastic toll on his physical appearance. Fearful of allowing blades in his presence (save those of his sworn Kingsguard), Aerys ceased to have his hair or nails cut for years. By the time of the rebellion, his fingernails had grown nearly a foot long, and his long, filthy, tangled hair and beard hung below his shoulders. Increasingly paranoid that someone would attempt to poison him, he ate so rarely that he became extremely gaunt. Combined with the stress from his madness, by the time of the rebellion, when Aerys was only forty years old, he looked as old and haggard as a man twice his age."
Recently I watched the first season again and when this scene came I realised again what a stellar performance Mark Addy gave. I think no one could have played that character better than he did.
I was trying to tell my wife this today, that Robert Baratheon Is one of my favourite characters. Despite his crass nature, he delivered lines extremely well.
***** That's a fair point to be annoyed. Still, it wasn't as if Jamie had nay say in it, though I doubt he really objected as it would mean he'd be close to Cersei.
+Thebuzzki11er after the trident when rheagar was killed barriston was taken prisoner by Roberts forces and Ned convinced Robert to pardon selmy and allow him on his king guard
Funny, 0:04 Robert remembers every face of the people he killed, but he cant remember Lianna's, who was the love of his life and his reason for living.
@@williamyarnton7493right? If anything sounds like a trauma response for Robert since the story went that Rhegar kidnapped, raped, killed her. So Robert doesn’t want to remember Lyanna like that.
Robert is a ultra tweaker, saw her once, fell into lust with her, thought her loved her but they never interacted, he just loved this idea of being with her and that drove him to crazy lengths, when he found out she was dead so was his ambition, this is my theory though especially that ending part as he is still fierce and fighting during the Greyjoy rebellion.
Legitimately what trauma does to you. The bad things are what you remember the most. You'll remember the day your dad died, much clearer than the day you met your wife.
+Lietiel Can't speak for him but I dislike Robert because after winning the throne he had absolutely no interest in the responsibilities that came with it. Instead he opted to eat, drink and whore his way into an early grave while the kingdom was run into the ground with debt and while he put a dead girl he'd never really known on a pedestal
+Zeruel3 He put the realm into debt but it was peaceful, there were no real threats to anybody and the smallfolk were happy. You have to sympathise with him he never wanted the crown. It was landed on him and all he ever wanted was dead.
+MrMagicaltrev Littlefinger intentionally put the Kingdom into Debt to further his own agenda. Robert may receive some of the blame for the current financial situation in Westeros, but it's from his negligence / carelessness regarding the activities of his Counsel.
“He said the same thing he’d been saying for hours... burn them all” “...” “Hahahaha not that it mattered to me I actually didn’t care about saving people, I hate everyone except my sister and just did it for the banter. Now where’s Cersei so we can spend some time together before we get crushed by rubble in a few years?”
If Jaime didn't care about the people why would he take an action that directly saves the people? 🤔 I think you're taking his words over his actions here.
@@robinvik1 We never see Jaime ring the bells, so I could have been anyone who rung them. And with the writing of Season 8, I'm almost certain it wasn't him
@@Dison1992 Let me get this straight. We see him run up to ring the bell, then the bell rings, but he didn't ring the bell because that would be good writing and the writing is bad? It seems to me like you are working backwards from your conclusion and have lost all ability to look at the show objectively.
I think the moment of this scene that truly reveals who Robert is in this line: “Stupid boy. Now the Tarly's bend the knee like everyone else. He could have lingered on the edge of the battle with the smart boys, and today his wife would be making him miserable, his sons would be ingrates, and he'd be waking three times in the night to piss into a bowl. WINE!” Robert hates his life and he’s nostalgic for the time when he was a strong leader and not a drunken fat king. In that line, he reveals that despite how stupid the Tarly boy is, he envies the fact that he had a warrior’s death. That’s what he wants, but now that he’s the king and everyone bends the knee, their is no war so he’s depressed. He has no purpose anymore and thus uses whores, hunting and WINE! to hide that pain. That line about pissing into a bowl three times a night was him starting to reveal his pain and he called for WINE! so he didn’t divulge anymore of his own feelings.
Which didn't add up with the books though. Robert never liked Jaime. But he never felt any sort of despise towards him. He never saw him as a traitor either. He was actually glad that Jaime did what he did. "... The fool that he was, even Robert could have seen what Ned Stark could not. In order to sit on that throne safely, those Targaryens boys had to die. But he didn't want to do it himself. That wasn't what hero's do."
Acting isn't just rehearsing a line. Sometimes, a gesture, a facial expression bring forth more emotions then a thousand words ever could. 4:17, when Robert hears what the Mad King's final words were, and when he realises why the "Kingslayer" that he's been mocking for years and who is dishonored for life, quite possibly killed the King for noble reasons. That expression of shock.. thats the kind of acting that can make or break actors.
michelrpg Exactly! Subtle, yet powerful. It's the power of displaying the breadth and depth of characters in such short dialogue that makes Game of Thrones one of the most momentous TV Shows ever recorded. HBO finally gained the level they wanted after the deflation of Rome. Good show, just panned out.
@@FlowerTrollSan Their loss of motivation in my opinion was visible in the middle of season 7. Season 6 had some absolute masterpieces including "The Door", "Battle of the Bastards" and "The Winds of Winder", all written by D&D.
@@FlowerTrollSan They were good in the beginning because they were copy pasting the books. When they ran out of books, they ran out of material and began pulling shit out of their ass.
I mean,the King in his prime was a crazy beast of a warrior himself. Dude was tired and outnumbered and still killed Rhaeghar who had beaten barristan in jousts
@@hehehehe4204 a joust is completely different compared to a swordfight in the midst of battle. Just enough stamina, hit the right spots, and enough speed from your horse, and you can knock people out with sticks.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 that's true but Rhaegar was one of the top ten fighters in the world of game of thrones but Robert in his prime was a beast read about Roberts rebellion its like if the good guys won game of thrones
Its more of the reverse, i think. It would be like: HBO EOs: so, Mr.Dumb, Mr.Dumber, we have a nice and concise roadmap for seasons 7-10, supervised and approved by Mr.Martin himself. The funding is secured, and rest assured, you'll be allowed as much time as you'll need. Here're the script drafts... DnD: BURN THEM ALL!!!
Unfortunately Barristan's respect for Jaime died along with Aerys. Barristan tolerated Jaime on order from the King, but (at least in the books) was noted as often proclaiming that Jaime should have traded his white cloak for a black one that day, and when Jaime was announced leader of the Kingsguard stated that the fact the others would serve under the Kingslayer proved they were all unfit.
@@ColArana most of them were. Lemme try to remember. Boros Blout (coward) Meryn Trant (good at beating little girls) Kettleblack (upjumped sellsword with no notable ability) Balon Swann (in Dorne let Myrcella be captured) Loras Tyrell ( badly wounded) The Hound (never gave a shit for his king) Jaime
@@alexanderbutler2989 Honestly I feel Loras Tyrell was worthy of being a Knight of the Kingsguard, he was devoted to Tommen and wanted to help train him to be a good warrior, and to help his king and his people he stormed Dragonstone. And Jaime is even reminded of what he was when he was in his teens by Loras. And if either Barriston or Jaime had full control of who was in the Kingsguard it would not be a shadow of it's former self.
@@crazyscotsman9327 Loras was obviously an elite level fighter but i think his older brother Garland was better, especially with a sword. The Hound. The Mountain. Jaime. Balon Swann was nothing special. Blout and Trant were more useless than a three legged rocking horse. Realistically if i were Cersie...id have taken Bronn and a good Lannister knight. Jeeze out of 20,000 dudes youd think one or two would know whats up.
God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 I don't think he ever met Gerion and Joanna, and he believed Myrcella to be his daughter. The rest of the Lannisters weren't really all that honourable, except for Kevan. Tywin, Cersei, and even Jaime had shady moralities at best. Not to mention Tywin only joined the war when the outcome of the war and the winners were already determined, and Robert never forgot about that. I wonder what Robert thought of Tyrion. Surely their lust and adoration for wine would have brought them closer. True, Robert was a strong warrior, and Tyrion a dwarf bookworm, but lust and drink... no man could match either of them in these things.
@@ricoco7891 im not saying that in terms of Roberts view. im saying in general, only Tywin Cersei and Joff were evil. the rest are just trying to make their way and survive. Lannisters were kings for 8000 years. you think they managed that by being puppy kicking dickholes?
God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 Of course not, but ever since Tywin came into power and became a lord, the Lannister reputation changed. Tywin's father was a meek man, but Tywin was ruthless, and people usually judge a family by its current patriarch. Lannisters gardened a reputation for brutality and viciousness, and although Jaime was a tortured soul you can't really say he didn't contribute to his family's infamy, with his arrogant cocky attitude. Same with Cersei and Tyrion. Cersei was indeed always a mad, narcissistic woman, and Tyrion although a better person, had the reputation of a drunk, lust filled, immoral man. Just saying, there's definitely a reason and sense behind Robert's prejudice here. Not so towards Tyrion, as Robert acts in a similar fashion, but then again he never really mentions Tyrion.
God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 just throwing it out there... I do think Roberts Rebellion was justified but the rest of the Targaryen family did not deserve what happened to them.... Tywin and his mad dog The Mountain.....assholes.
If memory serves, this was the first glimpse into Jaime's true character that we got. Robert's reaction is our reaction, upon realizing that Jaime wasn't just a one-dimensional rich kid traitor, that he actually was a noble man who lived with an ill-earned bad rap.
One also get's to see his high respect for Baristan Selmy on display here. Jaime comes off like a posh and arrogant twat at first, but we can see he respects those he knows have more talent than he does.
I've seen many different comments with many different views of King Robert. Some think he was a fat, lazy drunkard. They're right. Others think he was a man that was unfit to rule and more fit for combat. They're right too. "Robert was a good man and a great warrior but a terrible King." Ser Barristan Selmy. "If he couldn't fuck it, fight it or drink it, it bored him." Sandor Clegane. I think these two quotes describe Robert very accurately. He cared very little (if at all) for the day-to-day ruling of Westeros. He hated his wife, he hated "their" children, and he hated the decadence and backstabbing nature of the nobility. That's why he spent his reign whoring, eating, drinking and spending huge quantities of money on tournaments and parties.
***** what makes a good man in game of thrones is a complex thing. ultimately it seems it depends more on how they end than how they live. robert was a good man. when faced with death he apologized for his incompetence as a father, and made note to cancel the order on daenarys, acknowleding he was wrong. he chose to let his hate die with him, rather than it carry on after his death.
despite how many great lines Robert has, it's his speechless reaction which is his best moment in the whole series. He is absolutely shocked by the revelation, but his face tells you that he believes what he has just heard.
I love how Jaime looks down, almost in shame when Robert mentions how he must always stand at a door as his current king does what he does. It reminds him of when Aerys was still alive, a young Jaime forced to stand at the door as his king raped his own wife and Jaime couldn't do anything about it. Or when he was forced to watch so many burn alive Then, after recounting how he killed Aerys, he quickly excuses himself after. He doesn't like retelling the story but just confessed to a drunk Robert he saved King's Landing by slaying the king. Even a drunk Robert seems to realise this, which causes him to leave not wanting to risk Robert spilling it to the whole Red Keep Gods, the show was strong then
@@relaxationedits1253 he means the mad king raped his own wife Rhaella. He would abuse her a lot and raped whilst Jamie would stand outside the door. When Jamie protested that the kings guard in sworn to protect the Queen, Jonothor Darry replied “we are, but not from him”
Dude, I seriously need to rewatch the series. When you start this thing those names, "Kingslayer", "Aerys Targaryen", "The Mad King", "The Tarlys", all of that means nothing to you. After 7 years of being heavily invested into the franchise those kind of conversations and little details are everything.
I absolutely love at 1:20 how the smile slowly fades from his face as he says “They never tell you how they all shit themselves. They don’t put that part in the songs.” He’s completely shaken out of his glorious tale of conquest with the stark (heh) realization that war isn’t some magnanimous spectacle but rather a horrifying nightmare. Like his PTSD overtook his boisterous gloating just for a second.
truly, Robert has let himself go and none of his guards were even near Jaimes level so I'm wondering how he had the balls to call the most skilled swordsman in Westeros by the name he hates most.
@@miracleyang3048 Not even close, Jaime was the most skilled swordsman known in the world, so skilled that he killed 30 men just to reach Robb Stark before they could stop his rampage.
@thesnoopmeisterer Oaths do count, especially in the world of GoT. But when you look at the situation from Jaime's perspective, breaking his oath would surely seem like the more moral choice. Imagine having to choose between breaking your sacred oath, or letting millions die and having to kill your own father.
Jamie only cares about fighting so he has a high level of respect for any man skilled with the sword. In the books he says the only times he ever feels alive is when he’s fighting or fucking.
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Robert was the perfect example of the knight who slayed the dragon and found life boring afterwards
I never thought of it that way but that's a great point. Robert, at the end of the day, was a soldier. He lived for the fight. Once the fight was done there wasn't really much for him to do and he fell apart. That was the thing about the drinking and eating and whoring. He didn't know what to do with himself so he just gave in to his base appetites. That's why he was so relieved when the Greyjoy's revolted. That was a fight and it was something he could get into.
@@pittland44 and he slayed a Targaryen who’s sigil is a dragon
@@astoriasenju6162 Damn Straight! 😉
What other characters are examples of this?
he's clearly modelled on king Henry the 8th.
"everywhere I look, I see there smug, satisfied faces"
Jamie, just standing there, with a smug, satisfied face:
Resting Lannister Face.
Can't blame him for being smug. Cucklold the king, with the knowledge any legitimate heirs he will ever have shall be yours.
Robert knew all about it; he ordered Bran's assassination to keep it secret. Because to do otherwise would be to invite another war, and he had nothing left to fight for.
His reason for rebellion was a one sided love for Stark's sister. He lost her, and then she died. So now?
He shits and eats and fucks without care for tomorrow.
@@oVoidhawko I thought the assassination was ordered by Joffrey because Joffrey thought that when Robert said Bran should be put out of his misery, it was a go ahead to off him?
@@oVoidhawko also so true king
@@oVoidhawko Nah, man. Robert would have killed them if he knew. And Jaime cuckolding the King would be a W, if it wasn’t his sister. All it says is that the Lannisters are nuts. Roberts son lived on to inherit Storms End. Jaime, Cersei and all of their bastards born of incest died brutal deaths. His line has ended. Roberts lives on.
''What do you mean it's empty?''
''There are no more books.''
''IS THAT WHAT EMPTY MEANS?''
So write. MORE!
Tell GRRM to get in here. GRRM get in here!
Darth Vitiate 😂
So come on. We’re telling war stories, who was your first kill not counting tv adaptations.
verbadum22 why was Lannisters serving the king like that if Cersei was queen
One of the finest scenes in the whole show. We really didn’t know what we had back then. *”Gods, the writing was strong then!”*
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We can't have nice things anymore.
“Who wrote season 8, some half-wit with a stutter?”
I mean, i knew
"Show Slayer! Get in here! We're having a writing workshop."
“Same thing he’d been saying for hours. She's my Queen.”
Uh don’t wun’ it
Man I chuckled so loud.
wii nied aliEeEs
yur mah quehn!!
@@messithegoat4111
So to what adress should I send the very nice people with the white coats?
i always loved how robert made sure to mock the lannister family every chance he got lol
fat lizards
Makes me wonder if he subconsciously knew about the nature of his "children" and was taking it out on every blond haired shit he could find, lol.
Tywin had honor. He never went after anyone unprovoked. He was into family security. No more. No less. He made moves once the opportunity presented itself, he didn't go around murdering people for it.
@@janellejulianajoy he lost all honor when he posed as a friend to Targaryen and came in kings landing and opened the city gates to Robert Baratheon Robert appreciated him ofc but both Ned and Robbert lost respect for the lannisters for betraying their king
While utterly dependent on their gold of course.
@@evn2787 and told his men to murder Ellia Martell and her children becsuse of his hatred towards the mad king.
And ruined Tyrion's only true marriage out of utter cruelty and hatred towards his son and an innocent woman.
Most of the scenes from Season 1 seem like they're from a show completely different than the one we're watching today. Everything just seemed grittier, smarter, more real.
I mostly think it is down to the earlier seasons being quieter and slower, it was geared towards building political intrigue and people trying to outsmart each other while staying at peace. Once the fighting starts its hard to do that since most characters have picked a side and only talk to their side.
8 seasons of these conversations woulda had people leaving the show. Gotta ramp up to conclude things at some point
MMG 006 because all good characters died
because George knows how to do world building through dialogue and that's what you get in this scene. You get to understand everyone in this scene somewhat and their relationship to one another but you also learn a little more about the Mad King who is mysterious. The last two seasons we're dealing with the same characters that we know already the only thing that isn't mundane at this point is someone getting killed. I'm pretty disappointed with how unsurprising the army of the dead was and how characters have been reduced to groveling at one another
It's all a mess now
No expensive CGI, no big battle, not even any music. They're just talking and yet somehow this is still an amazing scene. Peak GoT truly was something special.
Seasons 1-4 were a literal masterpiece.
@@RESIST_DIGITAL_ID_UK Season 4 a masterpiece??? 😂😂😂 S5 was better than that stuff lmao
@@dimensionzone8048 nobody says that
@@dimensionzone8048 not to pile on you but season 5 and what came after were aids
@@dimensionzone8048Yeah, you're in The minority on this one. Season 5 was still good, but when you really look at it, you can tell the quality of dialog starts to drop a little. Definitely had some great moments though.
Robert's journey from unparalleled to pathetic was secretly a metaphor for how the series was going to play out. Very allegorical.
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Ya know it was king dauphin or whatever from France that said tings
The sacred and the propane
@@manolis.799 Ooooh! Madon'! I just wanted to make that joke!
Charles shwab ova here
*“Who Wrote Season 8? Some Half-Wit With A Stutter”*
Brilliant
Who's still watching season 8? Half wit. Appreciate greatness
Lancel did
Everyone has a limit, this scene doesn't exist in the books. It was written by D&D. It's just hard, nobody can be at the top of the game for this long even the best ones. I can't recall any show that didn't go downhill after season 5 or 6. It's just impossible, it took GRRM 25 years to write 5 books. I think long breaks are important for writing creativity.
Two, actually: One half wit with a stutter, and the other an Idiot with one ball and no brains. Both so stupid they couldn't find the breastplate stretcher before Winter came.
The look in Robert's eyes when Jamie said "Burn them all" says it all. That was the moment that he realized that Jamie saved *everyone* by betraying his oaths.
and maybe some regret that he 'never asked'.
In the show it showed he had visions of the night king and the walkers. Maybe he knew the white walkers were coming and he went insane due to fear. Burn them all. 🙃
@@fluffygengar3533 interesting theory. I heard something like it on another channel where it’s suggested that Bran might’ve been the one who inadvertently showed the Mad King the future threat of the White Walkers and army of the dead. Bran could affect the past as shown by his interaction with Willis and him becoming Hodor as he heard Merra’s words to hold the door and saw himself holding back the dead.
@@fmod77 had a theory years ago that the Walkers were instrinsically linked to the Targaryens, or at least the fire and dragon-related magics of Valyria, and that they started moving when there were no more Targaryens on Westeros
I friggen love that scene
Underrated piece of storytelling here is the mountains of respect between Jaime and Selmy. You can see the regard Selmy holds Jaime in, and the gargantuan level of hero worship Jaime has for the older man. Years of background info, backstory and character relationships and development shown with a few glances and subtle smiles.
Thing is though... It's more one-sided (as we later learn in the show and the books). Selmy saw Jaime as one who broke a sacred oath and profaned the position of Kingsguard (in the books it's basically said that Selmy thinks Jaime should have been made to join the Night's Watch). The mountains of respect might just be for Jaime's skill alone.
Truly.. pity all fell apart as we got to the end!
@@chukuemekaoje1015 Exactly what I was thinking. Jaime holds Selmy in extremely high regard for being the textbook example of what a knight should, body and soul. Selmy may recognize Jaime's skill, but he despises the man. The way he says "The Kingslayer" when Cersei tells him he's being replace by Jaime says it all.
Like LeBron James meeting Michael Jordan... or mahomes meeting brady
Selmy seems so upset w Jamie when Selmy gets fired. Selmy loses a point imo because the Mad King deserved what he got. Selmy should at least acknowledge this.
Its a shame that tywin, ned stark and king robert never had a dialogue together.
It would probably go about the same as this went. Just imagine Jaime is Tywin and Ser Barristan is Eddard.
Robert: Insulting drunk
Tywin: Resting Lannister face
Eddard: Stern and noble
@@gronizherz3603 yes but with a much more tensed air to it hahahahaha
@@gronizherz3603 Ned depised Tywin with a burning passion for the Targaryen children. He wants no where near his presence.
@@Lite727 good point
Three absolute monsters discussing their victories
Surrounded by D&D Writers.. Every time I close my eyes I see their smug, satisfied faces.
Brilliant
D&D actually wrote this episode.
Rami The Critic you crazy shill. They were just copying from the books then.
@@karjeezus6490 What are you getting so worked up about? Yes the books were being used as a framework during this time, but this particular scene was made up by D&D, as was Robert and Cersei's conversation about their marriage and Lyanna Stark in episode 5 of season 1. I'm disappointed as you are with how below par season 8 turned out, but I'm just giving credit where credit's due.
@@karjeezus6490 Instead of their praises being sung through the annals of history for creating the best TV show all time, now D&D's names will forever live on in shame because of how badly they messed up the final season due to their lack of care.
“Same thing he’d been saying for hours. Burn them all.”
“If your king asked you to stand by while thousands of innocents burned alive would you do it? Would you keep your oath then? By what right does the wolf judge the lion?!”
Season 8
“To bE HoNEst I neVER cAReD abOUt tHe PeoPLe”
*thank you d&d*
Season 6
*Cersei blows up the sept killing about a hundred people with the wildfire he hates so much*
Season 7 Jaime to Olenna
"Do YoU tHiNk PeOpLe WiLl CaRe HoW sHe BuIlT tHiS wOrLd"
They died by some fucking rubble. That's just stupid. Would have been much better for Jaime's arc had he killed Cersei himself.
D&d should be dracarysed
There is no question Ned Would have done the same but probably cut him down while he was looking forward.
D&d: "Jamie kind of forgot about that conversation.."
This scene is so well acted and written.
The thousand yard stare when Robert put words to his trauma of killing a person for the first time. How clear he makes it that he thought so much about how it didn't have to happen. The laughing at his own misery over things he can't quite regret and can never forget. The desperate and immediate need to dull the feelings he digs up by going through everything again, and the need to air it out and know he's not alone.
He clearly didn't want to kill the boy, but since the war had started and the only alternative was to die he fought back with all he had, he's back in that very moment so he feels his body and the situation like it was happening now, he sees the contrast between what he just felt and what his life currently is, he's watching the Tarley boy die all over again, he imagines a world where that death didn't happen, Robert blames his enemy for forcing him to kill.
Then he invites Jamie in, hoping to recognize and justify himself in another man's trauma, only to realize no violence he ever inflicted on anyone was ever as justified as killing the mad king...
Fucking gorgeous. So human, so real, so many opportunities for a viewer to relate, so many regrets and justifications for why those actions don't warrant regret, so much naked humanity on display in such an interesting setting!
This is what made the show so great. The conversations, the subtext, the character flaws, the feeling that everyone either was or could be a version of someone you had actually met.
I suppose this is why I have to read the books but I'm scared to start before the series has finished
Im a 59 year old former Marine scout sniper. Combat veteran. Roberts monologue rings so very true. The horror. The sadness. The madness. The never ending pain. The stupidity of it all.
Killing isn’t poetic. Or heroic. Or cool. It’s horrifying.
The books are true writers porn. They're fucking beautiful. Although some scenes in the show were funnier than in the books. But the books outshine the show by at least 300 miles.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 probably. I was talking about the books as a whole. Not just one thing.
@@michaelcavallacci2945 yeah well said
Go ahead and read the books. They are significantly better than what you get in the show and there are a lot of them. It will take you some time to get through them.
I thought Jamie was narcissistic especially in terms of swordsmanship
but clearly he respect Ser Barristan here
In the show barristan its like a teenage idol for jaime (in the books was arthur dayne), and represents what jaime wanted to be before joining the kingsguard (and all the crap he lived since then)
Ser barristan and Arthur Dayne were his idols growing up and trained him since he was 15. They are a huge reason why Jaime is so cocky.
@@bensonfang1868 Well, he does have tywin as his father and he had quite a bit of skill before he lost his hand. It's a mix between earned and unearned cockiness
Jamie was a narcissist but, that doesn't mean he had zero respect for others. One thing they made pretty clear early on was his respect for fellow warriors. Even Ned Stark, who he was at odds with.
Benson Fang and the black fish
I love the shock on everyone when Jamie talks about how mad the mad king really was. It shows that most people didn't realize truly how far gone he was and why Jamie killed him.
This is also comes back when Ned resings from his position as king's hand. When Ned tells Robert that he proceeds with assasination of Daenerys he's no better than the mad king, Robert loses his shit. And no wonder why: in his mind it must've hurt that his most trusted, maybe only, friend compared him to a beast that tried to destroy his own domain while he is trying to save it.
It even gets worse, when while dying Robert admits that Ned was right: he was ready to kill 16 year old Daenerys and her child only so that he could stay in power for a while longer, same thing that the mad king did to countless others and what he resented Tywin Lannister doing to Elia Martell.(Precisly, according to Jaime, Robert was relieved that he didn't have to worry about Targeryan bloodline but he was also ashamed that he was relieved)
@@Ruosteinenknight tbh Daenerys did become the mad queen so
Yea!!
@@kingswift782 but it was due to constant trauma part of that being them trying to kill her as well.
Yes, but none of these people have the background context that we do, thanks to our seeing Jaime's conversation with Brienne.
*We know* that Aerys formed a wildfire plot with his pyromancers, and *we know* about the Caches of Wildfire across the city, and their destructive power.
Jaime had never told the rest of the story - he hated Robert, and he'd always felt a mix of shame and resentment toward Selmy - so he'd never have told them. They weren't his confidants. It's obvious Selmy and Robert *did not* know this. They only knew about Aerys being utterly mad, so here, they're just hearing a graphic tale about a boy killing a madman, as like as not on his father's orders. You can't retroactively superimpose plot revelations onto characters.
Now Robert is dead with all the other true greats. He could have lingered at the edge of the series with the other lesser characters and today; his dialogue would be terrible, any character development would probably get thrown out the window and he'd still be waking three times in the night to piss into a bowl. Wine!
Weiis and Benioff... GODS what stupid names! Who named ya? Season 8 Tyrion? Haha!
What are you doing?
Holy fuck that is so right. Man i would take an honorable death over a worthless life.
D&D: (showing off season 8) HAHAHAHAHA! An inspiring sight for the people. Hey, bow before your kings. BOW YA SHITS!!!
@@overlex The Season 8 story is empty, your Grace
Is that what empty means ??!
So write MOOOOORE !!
“GODS I WAS STRONG” god the potential of a prequel about Robert 😤😤
that would be so incredible. the only problem would be that any young actor would pale in comparison to this great performance
Instead we got house of the dragon, mores the pity.
According to the books, Roberts war hammer was so heavy that Ned couldn't even pick it up
@@chrisjames6327 Which book?
@@tallesttree4863 HOTD is not bad by any means tf? Especially if you take fire and blood into consideration
God I wish we could've seen what a badass fighter Robert was with that damn Warhammer
I feel like i unearthed a relic here.
One of the spinoffs might actually give us this
@@nelly9206 I don't want to see young Robert fighting if it is as lame as GOT battles (even Battle of Bastards with retarded tactics kinda sucked). This short dialogue was more dramatic than any GOT battle presented.... and so was the 15 second flashback "Burn them all." which is shame.
love the geras video dog
@Dickum N Lickum the V: Emperor Of RUclips. Calm down butthurt fangirl
Jaime: "He said the same thing he had been saying for hours... Burn them all"
Robert: *Realisation*
I'm just surprised it's been like 20 years before they talked about it...
@@EroticOnion23 he likely never bothered to make anymore of a point after he heard what Ned said. Naming him king slayer then keeping him around Cersei.
I’m confused, what exactly did he realize? I assume they mention it in the books but it’s hard to tell in the show
I assume it was the fact that Jaime basically saved them from being blown up with wildfire but that’s my guess
@@TheBuddy303 Yeah that's exactly right
I love the way Jaime looks at Barristan he has so much respect for him.
barristan can cut jaime like carving on a cake
@@320FL I doubt that mate
@@320FL Not at all, when he was in his prime, Barristan would have, but not in his condition now. In the show they really spit on Jaime's ability, like his fight with Brienne. In the books Jaime is in far worse conditions, not only his hands were chained, his feet were too, he lost a lot of weight and strenght because of starvation after a whole year of prison, and even because they spent a lot of time running away to not be captured, Jaime even felt like his swordmanship after that year got worse than rotten, practically putriefied, and yet Brienne barely survived against him, she could barely block a swing that another one was already about to strike her down, and she "won" only because he soon got tired since he was in awful conditions. She even think that even if his body wasn't in such bad shape, even chained he would have utterly destroyed her and that probably no swordman in the seven kingdom would have been able to defeat Jaime (unlinke in the show in which she mocks his ability saying that he was overhyped by rumors)
@@Kal911 he maybe was the best fighter during his time
But not a challenge for the sword of the morning
@@Cross_111 Jaime by now, in the books, was the best swordman. Barristan and Arthur Dayne in their prime were the best of all time.
Robert remembered the faces of all the men he had killed but couldn’t remember Lyanna’s face, even though she left a hole that ‘seven kingdoms’ couldn’t fill! That’s deep.
That’s because Robert lusted after Lyanna he never loved her.
@@Phantom19913 I think it's more that Robert fell in love with an idealized version of Lyanna, rather than the woman herself. In all likelihood even if they had married he likely would've given into his base urges anyway. Might've taken longer perhaps, but at the end of the day he could never control his wants and impulses.
@@kaminsod4077 that’s why I said he lusted after her he had strong feelings for her but not real love.
He loved Ned, he stated that he loved him more than his own brothers. He wanted to be part of his family.
You know it’s all about telling fake stories and making them sounds like the truth.
I miss the old days of GOT. The stories, the sword fighting, the witty dialogue and the interesting conversations.
For real, I came here just to remember old times
Now it's just. Hey look a dragon!
@@lordcoltrane5630
I am glad that I am not the only one who thinks that.
@@lordcoltrane5630 surprise surprise the teleporting greyjoy fleet is here, would be shame if we accurately shot ur dragon 3 times behind a mountain. Winter is here, JK its still a myth to the rest of the 7 kingdoms.
God fans on the internet are annoying. People complain when they talk too much, then others complain that there’s not enough talking.
Crazy how the season without dragons was the best.
Not crazy at all my friend...the dragons have always been out of place in this series, there is no cleverness, wit, or scheming that can be done with them. Scenes like this show pathos and the human heart in conflict with itself, much more interesting than """""hype""""" moments of violent spectacle.
@@YungJaime73 I think the main reason we think that way (because I do actually agree) is because the dragons only really started playing an important role from season 5 onwards, which is exactly when the writing started going downhill rapidly.
@@YungJaime73 could have worked well with the tone of the first few seasons I think. George RR Martin always envisioned the dragons to be the nuclear weapons of Westeros. I can see huge potential for intriguing debates and conversations as these characters try to stop Dany from essentially dropping an atomic bomb on King's Landing. If they were more subtle with how the dragons were used it could have been fantastic.
I'm so fucking tierd of dragons. In almost every form. Every time they show up in a story, the exact same thing happens. They aren't interesting or cool anymore, and they always gets taken down by some Hollywood, bullshit move that nullifies all their scariness and meaning.
Nah, season 4 was the best (oberyn)
The look that comes over Robert Baratheons face in that moment where he realizes Jaime is the only reason he's still alive is priceless
It's the "holy shit, you actually made the right choice" look paired with the "we were 'this' close to arriving to the ruins of a city"
+Kaleb Blakemore I don't think that's actually true that he saved Robert. Robert was injured at the trident so he sent Eddard ahead of him to witness Jaime's betrayal (that's why Jaime is obsessed with Eddard judging him and not Robert.). Robert wasn't there at that battle, but Robert does of course see that there was more to Jaime's decision than meets the eye.
The Lannister army was in King's Landing at the time, including Tywin himself. He got there first to put himself on the winning side.
Robert was injured at the trident; Jaime only technically saved His own fathers army and maybe Neds army as he was sent down to kingslanding as robert was too injured to go.
Jaime's not the reason he was still alive, Robert was winning the war, what Jaime did was save King's Landing.
Man I absolutely loved seeing the smirk get wiped off Robert's face at "burn them all".
The fact he remembers the faces of his kills but not what Lyanna looked like is tragic indeed.
just goes to show that he wasn’t even in love with her, just the idea of her.
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@@chrisdawson1776 bro shut your lean mean green bean vending machine ass up
@@chrisdawson1776 white devils!
@@chrisdawson1776 no it’s a genuine observation though. He probably fantasized and idealized so much about her that he can’t fully picture who she really was when he loved her.
That, and she was busy loving someone else. Does that fit into your response very well?
D & D: We've run out of source material!
Everyone: SO GET MoAoARRRrrRR
Those D & D's with their blonde hair and their smOg faces " :P
This comment deserves way more likes. Lol
Unfortunately GRRM didn't supply them with more
@@darth856 GRRM was actually very surprised to hear that they were ending the show at season 8.
He said they could have easily gotten 13 seasons from the material in the books.
@@misspopcoin2204 and they could make extra prequel shows (roberts rebellion, aegons conquest or a story on any of the targareyans (the dragon knight, the rogue prince, aegon the V and extra) or even valyria and essos)
I love how Robert’s mouth falls open at “burn them all” as he understands himself to have been included there if the mad king had his way.
Not really. If the mad king had blown up KL, it would only be ned, tywin with their armys that wouldve died (along with all of KL ofc). Robert stayed behind at the trident cause he was wounded.
@@sereese4937 you honestly think Aerys Targaryen would not have had him rooted out as his very next move?
@@TheStopShort No... because he would be dead. Jaime said it himself. He meant to nuke ALL of kings landing, including himself. Either thinking becoming a dragon or wanting to spite robert. I think in the books it was to spite robert, in the show because he wanted to become a dragon (these are both jaime's accounts in book and show respectively)
@@sereese4937 Ned showed up after the city was sacked, so it would have only been the Lannister army, Tywin and King's Landing.
@@TheStopShortdidn’t stop to think that one through did you?😂
What I love most about this scene is after Jaime says "burn them all," you can see in Robert's face his discomfort with the idea that Jamie was justified in killing Aerys. Robert looks for so many reasons to hate the Lannisters, but he can't find it with this one in this moment.
When Robert calls Jamie in to share war stories, he does so expecting to rub Jamie's bad reputation in his face by calling him the kingslayer and recalling the very moment Jamie became the kingslayer. Instead, Jamie reveals a small bit about the hard, brutal truth of what happened that day and it leaves Robert speechless
Something I didn't quite catch was at 1:46 he starts talking about what the Tarly lad would have if he hadn't died, but doesn't list a single good aspect about surviving war, and becomes increasingly aggravated as he does so. It makes me think that Robert is actually describing himself, perhaps wishing he had the fortune of dying in battle rather than lingering on as an ageing, jaded drunk.
not everyone are made to be king... he never wanted to, he would have been happy being a mercenary company leader or being married to a woman he loved, he was a simple and strong man born into a powerful family.
No. Midway, he was talking about Rhaegar and he mentioned the rebellion. You can tell that he was trying to provoke Barristan since he was one of Rhaegar's most trusted friends.
@@ythandlename damn, after reading your comment and watching that piece I can legit here him try to spur some response from ser Barristan
In the books there is one line that caught my attention. He says he would love to just run away with a hammer in hand as the runaway king, but leaving the kingdom to his son Joffrey stopped any further thought of that
Definitely thinking in hindsight of the path not taken
Mark Addy doesnt get the recognition that some of the other cast does but this was a really powerful scene that benefits from his performance. He seems so disturbed by Jaime's words, like he's just now realizing just how important it was that Jaime did what he did
Totally agree. Mark Addy did an excellent job portraying Robert’s final years.
I actually think Mark Addy's acting is on par with everyone's in Season 1, and perhaps it's the best overall. He really does transpire former joviality, bitterness, and his voice Inflexions are great.
*GODS I WAS STRONG THEN*
"And today his wife would be making him miserable" a reference to Cersei
"His sons would be ingrates" to Joffrey
"He'd be waking up 3 times in the night to piss into a bowl" to himself
Nah, with that last one he's making a reference to me.
WINE!
@@jackfoxx6351 Nice to see you back, Bobby B.
@My Lord CAREFUL, NED, CAREFUL!!!
He really didn't want the life he got. Almost all his scenes were brimming with helpless frustration.
“Burn them all” the delivery from Jaime and the look in Roberts face is SO fucking good
yesss I got chills lol
it's a look that says "holy crap maybe you aren't terrible"
This scene made me wonder about Jaime, before Season 3 shed more light on the subject.
"he said the same thing he'd been saying for hours. Burn them all."
That look that Robert gives him when he says it too. Its almost like Robert sees Jaime truly for the first time. Powerful Scene.
+WillRock07 Exactly my thoughts too... I wonder what would have been Ned's opinion about Jamie if he knew what he actually stopped.
+Daniel Troko he wouldn't care, really, he'd still just see it as someone betraying their lord
+Daniel Troko he'd likely respect the man but still want to punish the act. think Stannis being grateful to Davos but still taking his fingertips.
it's not that. Jaime just reminding him what Aerys did to Brandon and Rickard, and how the "kidnapping" of Lyanna led to that event.
It's like no one even thought to ask him why he did it until now. Maybe the whole time Jaime was waiting for that, but he'd never say it by himself because it would seem like he was making excuses. The way Robert's expression changes, it's just dawning on him that there might be more to the story than he realised
the most shocking aspect is that this scene was not in the books actually
I wish we had Baratheon POV chapters..
@@byjordi2185 I do too. The Baratheons were my favourite house.
@@widukindgaladh949 I have a feeling the reason why they're so good, is that GRRM wrote them.
OC scenes are turned terrible soon as GRRM stopped working on the show.
I think they told him they needed a Robert/Jaime scene (as there wasn't a real one in the books) so he wrote this.
Same with the Robert/Cersei scene.
because it is incompatible with the books. The Tarlys and the Reach at large didn't participate in that battle!
@@newpgaston6891 nah dude some scenes like this D&D came up with themselves. They're great at adapting books and including scenes that make them better. They didn't have a guide after they ran out of source material and it frankly looks like around season 7 they lost interest. All this led to their shitty season 8
Robert was probably thinking: "Ahhh... So THAT'S what all those barrels of wild fire we found all over the place was for..."
*****
Most of the caches were found, retrieved and later used during the Battle of the Blackwater by Tyrion.
But up until that point they were known to few. At that moment in time, they were still placed around the city.
Giantdad Lives
So you're saying they've been lying around the city for 17 years, unknown to anyone... But in a few months before they are suddenly needed, they were all found by accident?
Doesn't that sound silly to you?
903IDFOLEY From what I remember of the books, that was only one such cache of wildfire. There were at least two more elsewhere in the city.
It's implied that Cersei sent Qyburn to look for the wildfire and he found it. Remember what she told Tywin in season 4? She would burn their house to the ground before letting others take her Tommen away from her.
Sounds pretty worrisome now, doesn't it?
It's been a decade but I always end up coming back
The way Jaime becomes so serious the MOMENT the mad king's name is spoken
The way there isn't a hint of snide or pride or anything but complete and utter seriousness when he speaks
The way the other two can only stare
The way Robert realizes the brevity of those very very few words, that 3 word quote
And the way Jaime ends the tension by resuming the Lannister persona and just leaving
The old writing was so enamoring and I'm so sad it all faded away so horribly, I miss this side of this show
I love Mark Addy's acting. One of the best actors in Game of Thrones, if not the best
GoT is now short of great actors.. the characters all got killed off lol.. Charles Dance, Mark Addy, hopefully not Stephen Dilate
He is goddamn fucking amazing here, no doubt about it. That look in his eyes at around 4:20 is so real and raw. Charles Dance (Tywin) and Alfie Allen (Theon) are incredible actors too. Play their characters perfectly with such raw unnerving perfection.
+Sturgeon had Ian macshane
Still a lot of good actors there. Orlenna, Jorah Mormont, The hound, Tyrion, Bronn, Littlefinger, Varys, Jamie, Cercei, Melissandre, Davos Seaworth, Arya, Sansa, Theon and quite a few more are all played by great actors.
Honestly, Alfie Allen is probably the greatest actor we have left in the show.
The way Nikolaj delivered that ‘burn them all’ with the expression on his face is chilling. You can tell that night haunts him for the rest of his life. He saw a madman break loose in his final moments, something out of a horror movie.
what the fucks a Nikolaj?
I never noticed how much he uses the Thousand Yard Stare when he says that like.
God’s this show was strong back then.
"Now D&D ruin the series like everyone else, they could've taken their time in writing season 6 to 8 and not have the series go so shit- BOOKS"
Can we talk about how dumb Jaime's death was. He was one of the best written characters of the whole story, grey and tragic and very dimensional and ended up dying by rubble. Fucking RUBBLE. He deserved a lot better than that, Cersei did as well. She was a brilliant villain with many layers and was so easy to hate.
@@theonionsystem7779 People would be whinging about the show taking so long if they took their time. What they really needed was George Martin as a co-writer on those seasons. George let everyone down.
Gods, the creativity was strong back then. You didn't have the same comment in every comment section, written by like beggars.
Greatest chat ever
"Peace has cost you your strength, victory has defeated you" - Bane
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken" - Darth Bane
KINGSLAYER GET IN ERE
he dead now tho
Robert , He bangs your Queen though!
Robert's voice was pretty epic... powerful and like thunder.
Alijamaru god I love your profile pic
Saif al-Islam oh that’s dark
I watch this scene again now. About 8 years later and after season 8 episode 4. *gods, the writing was good back then*
No battle, no dragons, no cgi. Just a handful of passionate actors sharing stories and I'm here glued to the screen with goosebumps.
same. unbelievable how they completely butchered a phenomenal show
Just wondering is this gonna happen again and jemmi would kill denyres mother of dragon! While she screaming dracarys!!
So after so many top comments made the same reply as you, verbatim, you complain about the writing?
For me dragons were never a bad thing, it was just everything else
aarswft why not though
Robert remembered the faces of people he had killed but not the one he loved.....
That's because he didn't love her. He was just obsessed with her. For If you ACTUALLY LOVE someone, and they don't love you back, you respect their wishes, as hard as that might be. Robert, in reality, is nothing more than a spoiled-boy throwing a temper tantrum. It was just unfortunate for Rhaegar that angry boy can swing both of his "hammers" like Thor himself. #ImHereAllWeek
@@mycommentpwnz Agreed he was obsessed. But I thought he and everyone else believed Rhaegar had kidnapped her. Why Rhaegar and Lyanna didn't come clean with their dalliance is up for debate. Most people say he didn't want to offend the Martells (Family of his first wife). Or that his father wouldn't allow it. But it still feels like a gaping plot hole to me.
@@zachholt2085 Ah, yeah. That's true/great point. Robert believed she was raped and kidnapped.
Perhaps they (R & L) didn't tell anyone because their desires/wishes didn't matter, so telling people would do nothing but shame the Martell family. Love doesn't stand in the way of family & duty for high-born women. She was "assigned" to Robert, and it was either have Rhaegar (and his allies) kill him in battle, or Lyanna was going to have to marry him.
After further contemplation, it's actually very similar to the story of "Troy." A beautiful woman is married (or in this case, intended to be married) to some warrior/brute, and she is unhappy with her marriage. Then, some handsome prince comes to the rescue. Yet, In both stories, both kingdoms of the "rescuers" were destroyed. I guess the moral of both stories is this: love CAN'T conquer ALL things after-all.
@@mycommentpwnz Well said!
@@zachholt2085 I wish they do a Prequel about Robert's Rebellion . Far more content in there . Want to see Petyr get his Ass handed to him by Brandon . Varys as a little bird and The Mad King time period when Tywin was still a Bitch and was plotting his Rise .
The reaction of Robert when Jaime said “he’d be saying the same thing he said for hours, burn them all” made me think that Robert had heard some rumours but now he knows it’s true
Well I imagine the hundreds of barrels of wildfire underneath the entire capital probably helped to emphasise his point
That expression of realization and understanding after Jaime says burn them all is so fucking good. Addy was incredible in this role.
ajbolt7 I love that moment. It's why I love this scene so much.
I could listen to Robert Baratheon tell stories all day.
4:15 Jamie's look of PTSD here from his usual smug, handsome, satisfied face throughout season 1 is such great foreshadowing to when he later tells the full story to Brienne in the baths.
If you'd never read the books, it only fills you with wonder that the story behind "burn them all" really is, and you get such a satisfying revelation scene that much later in the show.
Too bad we never got anything past season 4, imagine how much more of that great dialogue and scenes there could've been.
When you watch his eyes, it's like halfway through that line, you can see the horrible memories flooding in. When he says "He said the same thing he'd been saying for hours," he's still present, in the moment, talking to Robert. When he says "Burn them all," he's reliving that moment and everything he felt in that moment is coming back to him. He's not in the present, he's back in the throne room, back to watching the mad king's final moments
But he didn’t care about the people in king’s landing
That awkward moment when you realize Robert was the best King that the show had......At least he knew how to control the 7 kingdoms
Not really. There was no political discord during his reign outside of the Greyjoy rebellion. No one had beef with one another. That happened after Jon Arryn died. It's interesting to see where this would've gone had Robert lived. Finding out Cersei's children aren't his would've probably caused a war in itself because it's no secret he'd kill her, the kids and Jaime, and no way in hell would Tywin let that stand.
Cherylle Johnson My guess would be if that does happen and war breaks out between tywin and robert, atleast 3 kingdoms would support robert (Dorne, Stormlands and The North, all for obvious reasons) and i dont see anyone supporting tywin
@@JuanRodriguez-li7pq the reach would probably try and swoop in and get Margery married to Robert
@@janellejulianajoy If Robert didn't die from his injuries, Ned wouldn't have been executed. And when the secret came out, the Baratheon's and the Stark's would have probably formed an alliance and gone to war against the Lannisters.
@mxt mxt Im a bit late to the party but they definitely would of been destroyed, im not sure if renly was already betrothed to margery but stannis would of followed robert being his king (and that being his character) the riverlands already having a grudge because of the mountain, the north for attacking ned, the vale being out of the fold but still hated the lanisters and also dorne and the iron islands pillaged, not many allies left lol.
Season 1 had the lowest production budget and is still one of the best seasons, the writing, story, acting and production just blew you away. This season was what got me interested in the books.
Season 8 had the highest production budget and is still one of the worst seasons, the writing, story, teleporting and pacing just pushed you away. This season was what got me disinterested in the show.
i absolutely love Robert's story here. I think he sees himself in the boy he killed; he thought he could end the injustice and the horrors of the Targaryen rule by just marching into King's Landing and killing the mad king, but war is bloody and a lot of people had to die just for him to get where he is, and even then, Robert isn't happier here. Had the boy lived, he'd be in the same position Robert would be in now, sure he doesn't have a crown, but Robert doesn't care about that. He cares about all the discontents in life.
Had Robert died shortly after killing Rhaegar, he would’ve died the happiest he could have.
@@Night5225Except if Lyanna loved him back
Nah, I don't think he would've liked that. He loved the idea of Lyanna; a woman to make him whole, to make him and Ned brothers-by-law, rather than by friendship. If he and Lyanna had been married for long enough, he would've been as miserable as he would've been with Cersei, minus the incest and scheming. @@appa609
He wanted Lyanna more than anything, but she was never in love with him in the first place. Saddest thing was that he didn’t even know that.
I feel like they could have been good friends , even if they were not truly in Love .They had similar temperaments and interests
I find it quite telling that Robert remembers his first kill so vividly but can’t even recall Lyanna’s face the reason he started the Rebellion for.
He was a blood hungry warrior first, not a romantic or a lord.
He simply fell on the Iron throne due to his Strength
Well that and he had a Targaryen ancestor
It’s normal. Ned can’t remember the faces of his comrades and friends at the Tower of Joy but he can remember the faces of the men who killed them. Adrenaline and stress will do weird things to the brain.
There is also the scene later in the show of the Black Brother talking about his brother’s killer where he says he can’t remember his brother’s face but can still remember the face of his killer.
To quote the spider Varis. “Robert was neither mad nor cruel, simply had no interest in being king”
This one scene was better than all of season 8
True. Dialogues and acting are the two factors that made the show so good. There were only two scenes that left some impact in the 8th season. Tyrion and Sansa in the crypt and Dany with Drogon behind her back. Dialogues sucked.
This scene is four and a half minutes of pure dialogue. In season 8 "dialogue" lasts no more than 40 seonds, consists purely of smalltalk and quips and always cuts off before it reaches conclusion.
*Better than seasons 4-8
Yep!
@Mark Lucchese dont ever mentioned that shit here
4:13 that subtle hardening of Jaime's expression as he says that, rendering King Robert momentarily speechless. Great acting from Mark Addy and especially Nikolaj Coster-Waldau.
Mark Addy could recite the phone book and it would be amazing. His voice is incredible.
The pissing into a bowl line was so good too. Man really gets you into the character's head with all those subtles cues and changes in tone.
So good
@@TsubasaAnimations "Wine!!!"
betterperform couldn't Flintstone Mr.She
Back when GoT had no budget and so had to rely on actually writting decent dialogue
Oh hell no.. GoT always had a pretty decent budget for a TV Show
@@Femaqui07 They didn't. They started off with a relatively small budget. That's why we never got to see any of the battles that Robb had won.
elvisman2000 Season 8 only had a 3 million more dollars than season 1. Hardly much of a difference.
@@lithose1764 it had 4 less episodes.
Downfall ProductionSS I'll agree on that. There should've been more episodes.
“They never tell you how they all shit themselves… they don’t put that part in the songs” 😂😂😂😂
It’s true
Robert looked somewhat shocked having learned The Mad Kings last words.
Jaegar Ultima Aery's words alone disturbed Robert and this is without knowing the true extent of Aery's obsession with Wildfire. Quickly disposing a mad ruler before he killed more innocents seems logical but from the perspective of honor driven judgemental individuals, like Ned Stark, only see it as a despicable act regardless of the circumstances.
+Jaegar Ultima Robert didn't give two fucks about the mad king. He despises all targaryians. His reaction seemed more like "Oh, he was fucking crazy after all"
+Jaegar Ultima Yeah he realized..."oh shiiiitttttt....that would've sucked...thanks bro".
+AmericanPoliceState Wouldn't you be?
+Julio Catalan I don't think Ned knew the extent of Aerys madness, he knew about his dad and brother but he thought that he was just a king insulted by a lord and his son. Not a mad man obsessed with destruction and wildfire. All he knew was that when he arrived Aerys was dead and Jaime was sitting on the throne, he never knew the whole story
Six seasons in, and this is still one of my favorite GoT scenes.
You know I think the best thing about the first season and the first book was that they had peaceful time to reflect on the recent history. As the story began to take shape, there was less time for reflection as the wars began to consume the world. That's what's so brilliant about GOT/ASOIAF. so many series just rush into their stories, completely ignoring the opportunity to flesh out the story like they did earlier. One of the things I love about the show is that it gives us scenes like this that the books couldn't since not of these guys were viewpoint characters at the time. Hell its funny, my two favorite scenes in S1 were book changes, bravo D&D bravo. As for S6, the scene with Edmure and Jaime, I know some people, especially some book readers, weren't happy with it, but I still consider it my second favorite Jaime scene of the series, followed by this one(cause this one wasn't focused on Jaime specifically) and obviously the bathtub scene.
Striker163 The first season almost feels like a different show. Like you said, it was pre-war and pre-White Walkers so it truly was our only glimpse at the "normal" Westeros. Jaime's story in particular is really compelling because I hated his guts in the first season, but now I kind of respect him.
Striker163 it's the same with music, the first album or series is usually one of the best because there's little to no studio or producing pressure on the people involved
Just wait till season 8 d
and come seven season, and series come shit.
"not counting old men" lol, that was such a cheap shot
+UltraeVires True, but it's still a cheap shot.
+Naomi Armitage No,he said that because Jaime was 17 at that time, he would probably say his name so Robert immediately said to exclude Aerys
+Baldo Karinja He did refer to the Mad King which makes it a cheap shot, since Jaime is still despised for breaking his oath and killing his own king who was an old man which is why Robert said he doesn't count, because it wasn't very honorable kill.
The funny thing is Aerys I believe, was only in his fortys when he died.
Yeah, he was. But Jaime was the youngest knight of the Kingsguard in history, being only a teenager at the time of his appointment to the position so he was approximately a little over half of the King's age. Also the Mad King was in so poor health that his physical state was basically that of a much older man.
I found the following from gameofthrones.wikia.com:
"Aerys's growing madness took a drastic toll on his physical appearance. Fearful of allowing blades in his presence (save those of his sworn Kingsguard), Aerys ceased to have his hair or nails cut for years. By the time of the rebellion, his fingernails had grown nearly a foot long, and his long, filthy, tangled hair and beard hung below his shoulders. Increasingly paranoid that someone would attempt to poison him, he ate so rarely that he became extremely gaunt. Combined with the stress from his madness, by the time of the rebellion, when Aerys was only forty years old, he looked as old and haggard as a man twice his age."
More Season 1 King Robert Baratheon was all I ever wanted. Someone took him away from me, and seven seasons couldn’t fill the hole he left behind.
I still occasionally find my self using "Gods I was strong then" in conversation. My favorite takeaway from this scene.
it's art
Lol I like shouting wait! Wait!
Recently I watched the first season again and when this scene came I realised again what a stellar performance Mark Addy gave. I think no one could have played that character better than he did.
Thats true. he was awesome
He killed it!
I was trying to tell my wife this today, that Robert Baratheon Is one of my favourite characters. Despite his crass nature, he delivered lines extremely well.
Selmy and Jamie actually seemed to get on well in this scene.
Berserk Llama Its just in the books, Selmy seemed a little pissed that he broke his Kingsguard vows.
***** That's a fair point to be annoyed. Still, it wasn't as if Jamie had nay say in it, though I doubt he really objected as it would mean he'd be close to Cersei.
Selmy was probably glad to have a reprieve from Robert reliving his glory day which he's probably done hundreds of times.
but Jaime killed his king
+Thebuzzki11er after the trident when rheagar was killed barriston was taken prisoner by Roberts forces and Ned convinced Robert to pardon selmy and allow him on his king guard
Funny, 0:04 Robert remembers every face of the people he killed, but he cant remember Lianna's, who was the love of his life and his reason for living.
He only met her like once that’s the real joke lol
Sound like somebody hasnt read the books
@@williamyarnton7493right? If anything sounds like a trauma response for Robert since the story went that Rhegar kidnapped, raped, killed her. So Robert doesn’t want to remember Lyanna like that.
Robert is a ultra tweaker, saw her once, fell into lust with her, thought her loved her but they never interacted, he just loved this idea of being with her and that drove him to crazy lengths, when he found out she was dead so was his ambition, this is my theory though especially that ending part as he is still fierce and fighting during the Greyjoy rebellion.
Legitimately what trauma does to you. The bad things are what you remember the most. You'll remember the day your dad died, much clearer than the day you met your wife.
"So get MOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR."
"I GOT KILLED BY A BOOOAAAAARRRRRR"
ID RATHER MAKE A SCORE IN THAT TOAAAAR what
This could be made into a song lol
The WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOIOOIOIOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOR is pregnant
Lol
Season 1: Robert is so cheerful about everything and they say he's a beast in battle. I hate this guy
Season 5: The realm needs another Robert now
+OrangeDude we need robert the bastard makiong machine :)
+OrangeDude Why would you hate someone because they're cheerful and a beast in battle?
+Lietiel Can't speak for him but I dislike Robert because after winning the throne he had absolutely no interest in the responsibilities that came with it. Instead he opted to eat, drink and whore his way into an early grave while the kingdom was run into the ground with debt and while he put a dead girl he'd never really known on a pedestal
+Zeruel3 He put the realm into debt but it was peaceful, there were no real threats to anybody and the smallfolk were happy. You have to sympathise with him he never wanted the crown. It was landed on him and all he ever wanted was dead.
+MrMagicaltrev Littlefinger intentionally put the Kingdom into Debt to further his own agenda. Robert may receive some of the blame for the current financial situation in Westeros, but it's from his negligence / carelessness regarding the activities of his Counsel.
“He said the same thing he’d been saying for hours... burn them all”
“...”
“Hahahaha not that it mattered to me I actually didn’t care about saving people, I hate everyone except my sister and just did it for the banter. Now where’s Cersei so we can spend some time together before we get crushed by rubble in a few years?”
If Jaime didn't care about the people why would he take an action that directly saves the people? 🤔
I think you're taking his words over his actions here.
Who are you? The writers of Game of Throne's 8th season?
Did you miss the scene when he rang the bell? He always cared, he just cared about fucking his sister even more.
@@robinvik1 We never see Jaime ring the bells, so I could have been anyone who rung them. And with the writing of Season 8, I'm almost certain it wasn't him
@@Dison1992 Let me get this straight. We see him run up to ring the bell, then the bell rings, but he didn't ring the bell because that would be good writing and the writing is bad?
It seems to me like you are working backwards from your conclusion and have lost all ability to look at the show objectively.
I think the moment of this scene that truly reveals who Robert is in this line:
“Stupid boy. Now the Tarly's bend the knee like everyone else. He could have lingered on the edge of the battle with the smart boys, and today his wife would be making him miserable, his sons would be ingrates, and he'd be waking three times in the night to piss into a bowl. WINE!”
Robert hates his life and he’s nostalgic for the time when he was a strong leader and not a drunken fat king. In that line, he reveals that despite how stupid the Tarly boy is, he envies the fact that he had a warrior’s death. That’s what he wants, but now that he’s the king and everyone bends the knee, their is no war so he’s depressed. He has no purpose anymore and thus uses whores, hunting and WINE! to hide that pain.
That line about pissing into a bowl three times a night was him starting to reveal his pain and he called for WINE! so he didn’t divulge anymore of his own feelings.
Love when Robert calls him a kingslayer to his face lol
Being the king and all...
Which didn't add up with the books though. Robert never liked Jaime. But he never felt any sort of despise towards him. He never saw him as a traitor either.
He was actually glad that Jaime did what he did. "... The fool that he was, even Robert could have seen what Ned Stark could not. In order to sit on that throne safely, those Targaryens boys had to die. But he didn't want to do it himself. That wasn't what hero's do."
Everyone calls him that every other word in the books.
@@subutaynoyan5372 Robert named him Kingslayer in the first place. He thought that it was funny.
@@MusaMansu "I heard they call you Kingslayer. Just don't make it a habit
Acting isn't just rehearsing a line. Sometimes, a gesture, a facial expression bring forth more emotions then a thousand words ever could. 4:17, when Robert hears what the Mad King's final words were, and when he realises why the "Kingslayer" that he's been mocking for years and who is dishonored for life, quite possibly killed the King for noble reasons. That expression of shock.. thats the kind of acting that can make or break actors.
michelrpg Exactly! Subtle, yet powerful. It's the power of displaying the breadth and depth of characters in such short dialogue that makes Game of Thrones one of the most momentous TV Shows ever recorded. HBO finally gained the level they wanted after the deflation of Rome. Good show, just panned out.
well said i agree
Still find it odd how in 17 years they NEVER talked about this though but oh well, great scene nonetheless.
Very true!
member when Game of thrones had good writing i member.
Cato Sicarius Doesn’t even look or sound like the same show.
seriously what happened
@@davidsharounoff8521 Ran out of source material and D&D seem to just not give a fuck at all.
@@Salt-Upon-Woundss can't wait to see how they ruin Star Wars. They can't subvert my expectations anymore, for I have none.
@@DravicPL I will not be wasting my money on anything created by the unholy trinity Rian Johnson with Dumb and Dumber all together fuck that.
Roberts smile slowly fading when Jamie says “burn them all” still gives me chills
4:20 this moment when you understand that the guy you are mocking all day is the real hero of the war.
The real heroes died.
@Gaius Wyrden And without Jaime Robert would have ruled over ashes.
@Gaius Wyrden Rhaegar would have probably rebelled against Aerys and take the throne for himself.
Yes but they all treated him like treator and man without honor😭
I almost forgot how good it felt when the show had a soul. Here it feels like you are a part of a large and complex living and breathing world.
lol další, kdo by sám nevymyslel ani stránku story, ale přesně ví, jak to producenti udělali
RIP Bobby "Too Fat for His Breastplate" Baratheon, your top quality bant will be forever missed.
Ive watched this scene probably a hundred times
They never tell you how they all shit themselves
*Fans:* “What do you mean it’s empty?”
*D&D:* “There’s no more ideas”
*Fans:* “Is that what empty means???!!”
So get MOAR
house of the Dragon will be good
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Gods, it will be horrible.
@@SergeantExtreme why?
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 lets hope they handle it with care, and good writing tho, since D&D people's hope for a good sequel was deminished.
Good writers D&D, but they lacked stamina.
Underrated comment this one.
Exactly! They were actually quite good in the beginning, but you could see starting with Season 5 they kinda lost motivation.
@@FlowerTrollSan Their loss of motivation in my opinion was visible in the middle of season 7. Season 6 had some absolute masterpieces including "The Door", "Battle of the Bastards" and "The Winds of Winder", all written by D&D.
@@FlowerTrollSan They were good in the beginning because they were copy pasting the books. When they ran out of books, they ran out of material and began pulling shit out of their ass.
@@AimForMyHead81 Lol, this scene wasn't even in the books. And some of the best scenes of the show in the first 4 seasons weren't in the books.
Barristan Selmy and Jamie Lannister in the Kings Guard. Who would dare to touch the king? Not counting boars.
I mean,the King in his prime was a crazy beast of a warrior himself. Dude was tired and outnumbered and still killed Rhaeghar who had beaten barristan in jousts
@@hehehehe4204 a joust is completely different compared to a swordfight in the midst of battle. Just enough stamina, hit the right spots, and enough speed from your horse, and you can knock people out with sticks.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 That's true. Still Rhaeghar was a pretty good fighter
Well the thing is even with a hammer and full power, Ser Barristan and Ser Jamie were capable of speed and evasion. Kinda hard to determine.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 that's true but Rhaegar was one of the top ten fighters in the world of game of thrones but Robert in his prime was a beast read about Roberts rebellion its like if the good guys won game of thrones
4:20 that little facial change from Robert. Brilliant storytelling with such subtlety. He’s just realised the full magnitude of what Jaime did
D&D: These are the scripts we have for all the episodes of season 8...
Me: BURN THEM ALL!
Its more of the reverse, i think.
It would be like:
HBO EOs: so, Mr.Dumb, Mr.Dumber, we have a nice and concise roadmap for seasons 7-10, supervised and approved by Mr.Martin himself. The funding is secured, and rest assured, you'll be allowed as much time as you'll need. Here're the script drafts...
DnD: BURN THEM ALL!!!
your name is such f'aggotry lol
CAT DURGS so is what your mum called you
@@YourFriend24-7 my mom was a bag, the only good thing she left me was my name, mama's boy.
Barristan respected Jaime. And vice versa. Funny no one else saw it.
Gods he was strong then.
for his martial prowess alone. For nothing else.
Unfortunately Barristan's respect for Jaime died along with Aerys. Barristan tolerated Jaime on order from the King, but (at least in the books) was noted as often proclaiming that Jaime should have traded his white cloak for a black one that day, and when Jaime was announced leader of the Kingsguard stated that the fact the others would serve under the Kingslayer proved they were all unfit.
@@ColArana most of them were.
Lemme try to remember.
Boros Blout (coward)
Meryn Trant (good at beating little girls)
Kettleblack (upjumped sellsword with no notable ability)
Balon Swann (in Dorne let Myrcella be captured)
Loras Tyrell ( badly wounded)
The Hound (never gave a shit for his king)
Jaime
@@alexanderbutler2989 Honestly I feel Loras Tyrell was worthy of being a Knight of the Kingsguard, he was devoted to Tommen and wanted to help train him to be a good warrior, and to help his king and his people he stormed Dragonstone. And Jaime is even reminded of what he was when he was in his teens by Loras. And if either Barriston or Jaime had full control of who was in the Kingsguard it would not be a shadow of it's former self.
@@crazyscotsman9327 Loras was obviously an elite level fighter but i think his older brother Garland was better, especially with a sword.
The Hound. The Mountain. Jaime. Balon Swann was nothing special. Blout and Trant were more useless than a three legged rocking horse.
Realistically if i were Cersie...id have taken Bronn and a good Lannister knight. Jeeze out of 20,000 dudes youd think one or two would know whats up.
I love how he treated all the Lannisters like shit. He saw them for what they really are.
what Kevan really is? Myrcella? Joanna? Gerion?
God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 I don't think he ever met Gerion and Joanna, and he believed Myrcella to be his daughter. The rest of the Lannisters weren't really all that honourable, except for Kevan. Tywin, Cersei, and even Jaime had shady moralities at best. Not to mention Tywin only joined the war when the outcome of the war and the winners were already determined, and Robert never forgot about that.
I wonder what Robert thought of Tyrion. Surely their lust and adoration for wine would have brought them closer. True, Robert was a strong warrior, and Tyrion a dwarf bookworm, but lust and drink... no man could match either of them in these things.
@@ricoco7891 im not saying that in terms of Roberts view. im saying in general, only Tywin Cersei and Joff were evil. the rest are just trying to make their way and survive. Lannisters were kings for 8000 years. you think they managed that by being puppy kicking dickholes?
God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 Of course not, but ever since Tywin came into power and became a lord, the Lannister reputation changed. Tywin's father was a meek man, but Tywin was ruthless, and people usually judge a family by its current patriarch. Lannisters gardened a reputation for brutality and viciousness, and although Jaime was a tortured soul you can't really say he didn't contribute to his family's infamy, with his arrogant cocky attitude. Same with Cersei and Tyrion. Cersei was indeed always a mad, narcissistic woman, and Tyrion although a better person, had the reputation of a drunk, lust filled, immoral man. Just saying, there's definitely a reason and sense behind Robert's prejudice here. Not so towards Tyrion, as Robert acts in a similar fashion, but then again he never really mentions Tyrion.
God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 just throwing it out there... I do think Roberts Rebellion was justified but the rest of the Targaryen family did not deserve what happened to them.... Tywin and his mad dog The Mountain.....assholes.
If memory serves, this was the first glimpse into Jaime's true character that we got. Robert's reaction is our reaction, upon realizing that Jaime wasn't just a one-dimensional rich kid traitor, that he actually was a noble man who lived with an ill-earned bad rap.
Except for the screwing his sister almost his entire life, and cucking Robert into raising his children.
One also get's to see his high respect for Baristan Selmy on display here. Jaime comes off like a posh and arrogant twat at first, but we can see he respects those he knows have more talent than he does.
@@PercivalCSer Barristen a legend in his time. Unparalleled. Could cut through them all as easy as cake.
Not often you can leave King Robert speechless but even he was taken aback at the end.
"Good fighter Toyne, but he lacked stamina."
The way this exchange is delivered gets me every time
I've seen many different comments with many different views of King Robert. Some think he was a fat, lazy drunkard. They're right. Others think he was a man that was unfit to rule and more fit for combat. They're right too.
"Robert was a good man and a great warrior but a terrible King." Ser Barristan Selmy.
"If he couldn't fuck it, fight it or drink it, it bored him." Sandor Clegane.
I think these two quotes describe Robert very accurately. He cared very little (if at all) for the day-to-day ruling of Westeros. He hated his wife, he hated "their" children, and he hated the decadence and backstabbing nature of the nobility. That's why he spent his reign whoring, eating, drinking and spending huge quantities of money on tournaments and parties.
Lord baelish is the master of coin, he's a sneaky prick, probably bankrupted the throne
sir swag walrus no....robert bankrupted the throne
They both did. Robert with his copious spending, and Baelish with his constantly borrowing money from the Iron Bank and from the Lannisters.
I suppose you have a point lol
***** what makes a good man in game of thrones is a complex thing. ultimately it seems it depends more on how they end than how they live.
robert was a good man. when faced with death he apologized for his incompetence as a father, and made note to cancel the order on daenarys, acknowleding he was wrong.
he chose to let his hate die with him, rather than it carry on after his death.
despite how many great lines Robert has, it's his speechless reaction which is his best moment in the whole series. He is absolutely shocked by the revelation, but his face tells you that he believes what he has just heard.
This is like watching a completely different show, after seeing season 8.
Such a shame
Shame.
Shame.
Shame.
🔔
I love how Jaime looks down, almost in shame when Robert mentions how he must always stand at a door as his current king does what he does. It reminds him of when Aerys was still alive, a young Jaime forced to stand at the door as his king raped his own wife and Jaime couldn't do anything about it. Or when he was forced to watch so many burn alive
Then, after recounting how he killed Aerys, he quickly excuses himself after. He doesn't like retelling the story but just confessed to a drunk Robert he saved King's Landing by slaying the king. Even a drunk Robert seems to realise this, which causes him to leave not wanting to risk Robert spilling it to the whole Red Keep
Gods, the show was strong then
how he raped his wife kingsguard dont have any wifes or children?
@@relaxationedits1253 he means the mad king raped his own wife Rhaella. He would abuse her a lot and raped whilst Jamie would stand outside the door. When Jamie protested that the kings guard in sworn to protect the Queen, Jonothor Darry replied “we are, but not from him”
@@mdanim0249 yes thank you now i understand.
@@mdanim0249 where was this stated that’s good dialogue
@@EP_mc in the books.
Dude, I seriously need to rewatch the series. When you start this thing those names, "Kingslayer", "Aerys Targaryen", "The Mad King", "The Tarlys", all of that means nothing to you. After 7 years of being heavily invested into the franchise those kind of conversations and little details are everything.
Spot on it will be fascinating to start again and find the bits you missed.
That's actually a very good point. This scene is elevated on rewatch.
I absolutely love at 1:20 how the smile slowly fades from his face as he says “They never tell you how they all shit themselves. They don’t put that part in the songs.” He’s completely shaken out of his glorious tale of conquest with the stark (heh) realization that war isn’t some magnanimous spectacle but rather a horrifying nightmare. Like his PTSD overtook his boisterous gloating just for a second.
Even something so simple like the birds in the background made the atmosphere
“Kingslayer, get in here!!”
Man, the balls on Robert to call Jaime that word.
knowing he already smoked 1 king and lived to tell about it
truly, Robert has let himself go and none of his guards were even near Jaimes level so I'm wondering how he had the balls to call the most skilled swordsman in Westeros by the name he hates most.
@@testedalexthegreat1759 none of his guards were even near Jaimes level? what about the old man standing right next to him
@@miracleyang3048 Not even close, Jaime was the most skilled swordsman known in the world, so skilled that he killed 30 men just to reach Robb Stark before they could stop his rampage.
30 random northern soldiers? And stopped as well? The old man killed a dozen of Ned stark friends (good men according to Ned)
"Lancel....GODS what a stupid name". The way he hits this line just does it for me man. Like he's been waiting to say that for years.
"Burn them all..."
Jamie Lannister, the true savior of kings landing...
"Burn them all"
Mad King talking about real enemy rising from the North
@@Ignisan_66 God damn I thought Ned Stark was dead.
@@Ignisan_66 oaths dont mean shit when they require you to aid or allow the killings of millions of innocents
@thesnoopmeisterer Oaths do count, especially in the world of GoT. But when you look at the situation from Jaime's perspective, breaking his oath would surely seem like the more moral choice. Imagine having to choose between breaking your sacred oath, or letting millions die and having to kill your own father.
The amount of respect Jaime has for Barristan is so heartwarming
Yes I love this too, you can see how much of an Idol he is to him.
Jamie only cares about fighting so he has a high level of respect for any man skilled with the sword. In the books he says the only times he ever feels alive is when he’s fighting or fucking.