The fact they didn’t get any of the heroes with Valyrian steel swords to have duels with individual White Walkers (or indeed the Night King) is an absolute travesty
@@z34n do you want to get even more upset? Remember in season one when it took fire to burn a white and even a dismembered hand could be animated independently? Yeah now everyone just kills zombies with normal weapons. Remember how dragonglass was a big deal in creating the night king and defeating white walkers? That went absolutely nowhere. Why did the night king need Craster‘s babies when he could just animate endless corpses? The long night lasted like what? One night?
@@poseidon699 yes that is implied but it did not matter. The night king was seemingly able at hardhome to raise and control an entire zombie army by himself. He did not need the turned ice baby dudes. They became completely irrelevant.
@@robfab5204 Hodor, Eddison Tollett, Meera/Jojen Reed, Gilly, Lyanna Mormont (fierce but generally looks out for the good of her people and the north), Barristan Selmy, Shireen Baratheon.... list goes on
Except for the fact that he rubbish Daenerys to Jon out of spite. Hiding everybody the fact that Randall and Dickon vanished him and threatened him to kill him. Danny liberated him as well and offered him justice and lordship. He would have been better joining his fathers ashes.
The list goes as follows I think; Podrick Payne, Sam Tarly, Shireen Baratheon, Gilly, Lyanna Mormont, Ned stark, Ser Barristan Selmy, Tyrion Lannister (show version of Tyrion is just a good dude unlike the books iteration of Tyrion), Ser Davos Seaworth, Brienne of fucking Tarth, and Missandei. I don’t think I’m missing anyone. I’m definitely missing book characters who are good people (like tyrions friend Penny who he’s really mean too but she’s still very nice to him) but I can’t remember them all because there’s way more compared to the show.
I love that Sam was humble enough to acknowledge that he could barely hold the sword up let alone fight effectively with it so Jorah should take it. I love that Jorah accepted the honor since it offered him the chance to see his dad's work through and guard the realms of men.
Valyrian steel should've been damn near weightless, so he acknowledges that he can't hold up a damn near weightless sword but he still goes to fight in the frontlines with a regular/dragonglass weapon and gets Edd killed. Impeccable writing by d&d
@@brokenspacebar9628 To be fair obsidian is 4 times less dense than steel. But yeah we saw Sam wield a sword already like ten years ago. He's been running all over the globe and got weaker somehow lol.
@@brokenspacebar9628 Well Sam is fat as fuck (somehow still) and the handguard and hilt still weight something. Plus the fact that he doesn't know how to swing a sword in the first place, he'd propably hurt himself with a valyrian steel sword.
The look onm BOTH of their faces during this scene sells this; Jorah is honored beyond comprehension when Sam offers his Family Sword. Sam is honored to give it to him and they both understand the importance. Very emotional
@@overcomingsins6334Ungrateful son ? 🤣🤣🤣. What should he have been grateful for ? A brutal and arrogant father who banished a young man from his family and sent him to the Wall ?
@@dylanmead1341 he's thinking transitive property. It's like a friend paying for another friend's meal and you pay for the first friend's, technically the middle friend can be cancelled out when it comes to paybacks.
@@theguardianslair529 Well she was fighting a giant and was already half crushed to death. Also the giant was a Wright/Zombie Giant, maybe they're not as smart as a living creature?
It's been said over and over again how awesome Lyanna was but here we see some of the absolute hardest men in the show all defer to her without a second of hesitation. It wasn't just due to her station either, those Mormont men genuinely respected her. Remember the scene where Tywin is instructing Tommen on what makes a good king, literally everything Twyin says describes Lyanna to a tee.
Remember when Tywin asked about being 'Just'? She has just caused the end of her house and the extinction of her line, opening up her small folk and dependents to mismanagement and appropriation. That's not wise.
@@AkinNath On the other hand, they were facing something that was an existential threat to all humans everywhere. She most likely felt that she couldn't run and hide when if this battle was lost, she was still going to die and her house with her.
@@ElthenarExactly! All the houses were at stake not just the Mormont's Lyanna knew she had nothing left to lose so she decided to go her own way and go out fighting
Loved this scene Jon bears Jorahs sword and he offered it to him Jorah declined on behalf of Jon’s honor he knew his father intended on it being Jon’s and Jon’s alone For he disgraced his father and house Then hear Tarly who was taught to be a man and forbidden to die by Jorahs father offers him his sword and this time Jorah excepts out of respect of his fathers memory and teachings…..
@@overcomingsins6334 he should have though based on the laws of gods and men, he was his fathers first born son and heir. His father just hated him and didn’t want him as heir so made him join the nights watch
Jorah knows this is the end for him. Almost saddness in his eyes. And the way he looks at both longclaw and heartsbane is just hurt. Shame he had to die
Jorah was one of the few characters I genuinely got invested in throughout the entirety of the show. Jorah and Tyrion....those were where my mind just "clicked" with. Jorah for his absolute drive and determination to genuinely serve Danerys, and Tyrion for his intelligence and desire to see a good ruler finally be in place on the throne.
@@fenrislegacy I prefer to think of it as holding out against hope that things wouldn't go the way he feared. Sadly, when Cersi killed Mysandi....he knew it was a fool's hope.
@@Roheryn100its not a script but there’s a great video out there called how game of thrones should have ended, most important thing it does is link the great battle with the fight for the throne afterwards, Cersei using walled kings landing to her advantage by making danaerys bend the knee, Jon sacrificing himself at the tree where the night king was born, Daenerys having Jon’s son at the end of the series, it makes so much more sense than what we got
@@nathanlatham5651 I watched that . Interesting, and it certainly ties up ends. But making the Night King impervious to Dragonglass is as much a cop-out as having him be killed by Arya. 🙄
@@overcomingsins6334 technically it was his brother's as the male would have inherited, but since he was the eldest and forced out of his inheritence by an abusive father (he joined the watch because his father told him he would kill him on a hunting trip and make it look like an accident for his mother's sake), he was actually taking the only thing he could actually claim of his own, he stole back what should have been his anyway by birthright. But you aren't wrong he did take it without permission.
@@rebbeccahoneycutt7941 no Rebecca.. he was told by his father to stand up, but he wont. Told to lose weight but wont. Told to studying but wont. The Tarly become a laughing stock because of Him. Lying to his father about Incest kid. Lying to his father about wildling girl. Stole family treasure. Break the oath of the watch. Bring wildling girl into black castle. this character is trash Rebecca. No Rebecca, children is not entitled to Parents loves and money, Sam should have leave if he wants to get it his way, don't you agree?
@@rebbeccahoneycutt7941 also He stole his sister clothes. Tarly is Historic in the westeros, they are known to stand up against Dragons, naturally pussi like sam will stain legacy of family
@@overcomingsins6334 no I don't agree with all of that, while I do agree that no child is intitled to their parent's money, every child is intitled to their parent's love period! And while he did lie to his father, his dad was slim and a misogynistic jerk, there are also people who simply cannot lose weight at all no matter what they do. However as the inheritence laws stand, Sam was entitled to the sword after a fashion, and there is also the issue that not all people are able to become a warrior at all, and while we are on the subject of ways out, Sam originally wanted to and did study, but his father was against him being so studious. Sam was originally willing to step aside and become a Maester, but his father couldn't handle the idea of a member of his family becoming 'a slave' as he called it. There is more than one way to be a man, and his father was too blinded by pride to see any other option, and again threatened to kill him. (By the way I do enjoy debate, so if you have a rebuttal please post back and we can continue.) And while yes he did take his sister's clothes without asking, judging by how he had described his relationship with his mother and sisters she probably would not have minded, and likely wouldn't have reported them missing except to their mom, accepting that her brother had needed them for something if they pieced that much together.
This scene always reminds of the book series Eragon. The series has swords of similar importance but when the main character is given an opportunity to wield one he realizes right away it's not his type of sword and declines it. I would think that on the eve of battle you want a blade you can wield properly, but then again it kills white walkers.
You're definitely right, I immediately thought the same thing, Jorah never fought with a greatsword before, might not have been the best decision to accept the sword :D
He turned down Longclaw to honor his father’s memory, and accepted Heartsbane to honor his father’s memory. Funny how two opposing actions can both be honorable deeds.
“I’ll see you when it’s through” Even before the episode, I knew Jorah was done. When Tyrion said “I think we might live” I expected all those around him to survive the Battle of Winterfell (as I felt Jaime had to die with Cersei!) Sometimes the deaths we see coming hurt the most! 😭 Jorah’s death haunted me for days. His dead corpse after the battle was over was such a devastating image, but also one of the few endings in Season 8 that felt earned! 😢 Cannot believe Season 8 aired nearly 5 years ago! 😮
Realistically speaking, being the last heir to the House of Mormont and a child. There is no way in hell Lyanna would ever be allowed to fight. She would of been dragged away by a battalion of guards and sent as far away to safety as possible because you just cant risk the bloodline ending with the death of the final heir who hasnt had a child of their own yet.
Realistically speaking, that's how a present-day system would operate. Theirs is still at the medieval level where kings and lords fought at the head of the army and not at a command post farther back.
She was leading by example, life in the north was obviously hard and a person, regardless of rank, had to be tough to survive. She wasn’t raised to be a decorative princess, she was raised by a warrior to be a warrior. If the White walkers weren’t defeated no one was going to survive anyway
It's pretty good to see how Lyanna does not bash on Jorah for the dishonor he's given to House Mormont, seeing he changed, calling him "cousin" to acknowledge their kinship whilst wishing him good luck. Unfortunately Jorah was right: had Lyanna listened to her older and more experienced cousin, she could've survived in the crypts and House Mormont would still live on thought her. If he claimed back his role as head of their house, Jorah could've saved Lyanna by ordering her to stay safe. But now the rains weep on their hall and not a soul to hear...
@@Roheryn100 Flawlessly no chance, but kinda forgetting about the dragons, defenders outside walls of winterfell ect I think i wouldn't make those mistakes.
-Imagine: Sam should have been in the crypt with Ghost, just in case things went bad. I’d imagine him, Ghost and Tyrion fighting and protecting them all. -Imagine: Bran saying “I’m be leaving now” and enters into Jon’s dragon and blazes the entire battlefield
"You will never walk again...but you will fly" by the Three-Eyed-Raven should've lead up to Bran taking over a dying dragon and then remaining in the dragon body (maybe cause his own body get's completely destroyed) and he leaves Westeros behind at the end of the series, to never walk again but to fly. Maybe in an alternate reality all the storylines have a satisfying ending. Or at least one...would've been nice.
Jorah lost his honor and thus his family sword. But here Sam gave him another sword because of Jorah's father and his teaching. And thus Sam restored Jorah's honor.
@@bingtunder683 Out of necessity. There’d be way, way too many characters on-screen otherwise. But we could also just figure the other characters are there, but not immediately relevant to the plot and so are simply occupied elsewhere.
I would love to see Widow’s Wail melted back down and perhaps forged into something new for Sansa. Perhaps not a sword, but something more like a glaive, or a Japanese naginata; something that would make sense for a noblewoman of her stature to use, more than a traditional sword, as it’s designed to allow a smaller fighter to take on someone much larger than themselves. And as a result, has a much more “feminine” feel to it. I think fashioning Widow’s Wail, which was made from Ice, into a woman’s glaive would be perfect for the Queen of the North. A graceful, feminine, but still very lethal weapon that carries the memory of the Stark ancestors with it.
Ya know, I ain't a sword fighter but I am fencer and even I know that you can't just pick up any old weapon and use it to great effect. There's balance and all kinds of factors that make a weapon suited to a fighter.
"You'd be safer in the crypt" It's like they didn't even bother to write a comprehensive script, and the fact no one had the guts to tell them of their blatant contradiction is really sad...
The crypt was still the safest place in winterfell. When every room and corridor in the castle was crawling with the dead, they still hadn’t even reached the crypt. The only concern there was old mummified Starks, and they had no reason to prioritize fear of them over fear of the night kings active soldiers. Snap out of it, hop off the bandwagon, and stop watching this with the mindset that has been forced onto you by the whining, knuckle-dragging masses.
I just realized that the same family sword that belonged to the Tarleys helped to defend (By Jorah's use) the very woman who had Sam's Father and Brother flamed grilled by Drogan. Talk about funny turn abouts eh lol.
One of the few things the forst few episodes of season 8 got right was letting characters connect even for a moment. Sam and Jorah Arya and the Hound Podrick’s song Brienne defending Jaime. Etc. The show did fall to shit but these scenes remind me of the things they got right.
@@Gum_Cuzzler Dickhead and dumbass just had to get started on their Star Wars project and loe and behold it got scrapped because of S8's critical performance. Geniuses..
Here Jorah, use my Family sword to defend the queen that killed my Tarly family. I honestly thought they were gonna do more with Sam taking the sword. Like learning more about the properties of Valyrian Steel at the Citadel. But, instead it's this contrived scene of Sam giving it to Jorah so they can close this plotline hastily. No mention of the sword again, and Sam is somehow Grand Maester after its all done. People are pretty easy to please if they think this was good writing.
Imagine this! random episode of game of thrones just comes out in a few years and it starts with Sam and Jorah both walking beside each other as dead men part of the army of the dead heading down to kings landing with Brandon Starks head mounted on a spear. It pans out to 3 dead dragons flying over and breaching the walls the golden company running for their ships only for the dragons to burn them all right infront of the commander then the horde of dead just slaughter all of kings landing set sail with the remaining ships and begin conquering the known world. Wouldn’t that have been a way better ending than the one we got?
gods this season makes no sense. jorah is sworn to denaerys. denaerys killed sams father and younger brother (sam actually forgets this somehow and calls dickon his older brother) and he is clearly upset by this, yet he gives jorah his families sword for some reason. also no, jeor mormont did not teach samwell anything that we saw on screen.
Jeor definitely teach Sam Jon edd and other young black brothers how to be men. if it weren't for him none of them would even still be alive let alone be the leaders to fight the walkers... sir Alliser woulda been came for them.
Season was bad, this scene is good Jorah wasn’t there when Sam’s family was burnt alive and as much as it would have hurt Sam, an army of undead takes priority at that moment for him and that’s believable.
That's just the thing with the last two seasons (especially 8, 7 was okayish still)... There are so many really, really good scenes, but there are also so many bad ones. You'd sit delightedly through one scene, just to flip your table at the following scene and revert to greatness a scene later. It's just an up and down...
@@bait5257 I have read them. There were many changes, but I understand many of them from a dramathurgical standpoint. Because - as great a writer he may be - GRRM gets entangled rather quickly. Simply following his writing after so many books with so many plotlines would be disastrous for cinematography. Still really has nothing to do with my point at all.
[Spoiler Alert] Sir Jorah was probably honored beyond words to die with such a fine blade. We are certain he would've wanted to live but hopelessly outnumbered while protecting someone is almost a guaranteed way to die in GOT.
I am pained by how season 8 went. Despite everything, I could have forgiven the writers, if they had just ended it with Jon on the Iron Throne, its what they had set him up for since like season 5.
D&d were so terrfied of including the more supernatural aspect of the universe, imagine if Jon had faced the Night King and his sword bursts into flame after a long duel, fulfilling the Azor Ahai prophecy, would have been better than ninja girl stabbing him with a dagger, that they never explored in the slightest to its real meaning or ya know, whats written on it.
Every series (Kenobi too) started to fall dark in late 10s, I guess it's cheaper to shoot scenes like that, have no other explanation why can't we _see_ what's going on
even in this terrible season, these rare great scenes make me kind of want to rewatch it, but I know I'll stop again after s7 if not s5. so so bloody frustrating
What a pathetic character they made Sam. Steals his family sword then gives it to the man who simps over the woman who burned his brother and father alive.
It’s crazy how we’ve got these fanfiction scenes that came out after Game of Thrones concluded with season five. They are super high-quality, and I give those guys props to production but man the writing is total shit.
They completely butchered and 180'd a lot of characters' motivations and developments in the last few seasons, but they at least kept these three on the right track.
The fact they didn’t get any of the heroes with Valyrian steel swords to have duels with individual White Walkers (or indeed the Night King) is an absolute travesty
This is something I didn’t even think about and now I’m even more fucking upset
@@z34n do you want to get even more upset?
Remember in season one when it took fire to burn a white and even a dismembered hand could be animated independently? Yeah now everyone just kills zombies with normal weapons.
Remember how dragonglass was a big deal in creating the night king and defeating white walkers? That went absolutely nowhere.
Why did the night king need Craster‘s babies when he could just animate endless corpses?
The long night lasted like what? One night?
@@dissect123 I think the babies became the general like dudes that were all ice
@@poseidon699 yes that is implied but it did not matter. The night king was seemingly able at hardhome to raise and control an entire zombie army by himself. He did not need the turned ice baby dudes. They became completely irrelevant.
@@dissect123 i think they serve to split the army, so that that horde of zombies could act more indipendent from the King
This was the moment when Jorah felt that (no matter what), his father had somehow managed to find a way to show him that he had forgiven him.
There are very few genuinely good people in Game of Thrones and Samwell Tarley is one of them.
so is Ser Jorah. I think he is anyway.
Brienne, Podrick, Gendry, Davos, and Missandei are in that group as well.
@@robfab5204 Hodor, Eddison Tollett, Meera/Jojen Reed, Gilly, Lyanna Mormont (fierce but generally looks out for the good of her people and the north), Barristan Selmy, Shireen Baratheon.... list goes on
Except for the fact that he rubbish Daenerys to Jon out of spite. Hiding everybody the fact that Randall and Dickon vanished him and threatened him to kill him. Danny liberated him as well and offered him justice and lordship.
He would have been better joining his fathers ashes.
The list goes as follows I think; Podrick Payne, Sam Tarly, Shireen Baratheon, Gilly, Lyanna Mormont, Ned stark, Ser Barristan Selmy, Tyrion Lannister (show version of Tyrion is just a good dude unlike the books iteration of Tyrion), Ser Davos Seaworth, Brienne of fucking Tarth, and Missandei. I don’t think I’m missing anyone.
I’m definitely missing book characters who are good people (like tyrions friend Penny who he’s really mean too but she’s still very nice to him) but I can’t remember them all because there’s way more compared to the show.
"To Guard the Realms Of Men." Shivers. Every fucking time.
Goosebumps!!
I love that Sam was humble enough to acknowledge that he could barely hold the sword up let alone fight effectively with it so Jorah should take it. I love that Jorah accepted the honor since it offered him the chance to see his dad's work through and guard the realms of men.
Valyrian steel should've been damn near weightless, so he acknowledges that he can't hold up a damn near weightless sword but he still goes to fight in the frontlines with a regular/dragonglass weapon and gets Edd killed. Impeccable writing by d&d
@@brokenspacebar9628 To be fair obsidian is 4 times less dense than steel. But yeah we saw Sam wield a sword already like ten years ago. He's been running all over the globe and got weaker somehow lol.
@@brokenspacebar9628 Well Sam is fat as fuck (somehow still) and the handguard and hilt still weight something.
Plus the fact that he doesn't know how to swing a sword in the first place, he'd propably hurt himself with a valyrian steel sword.
The look onm BOTH of their faces during this scene sells this; Jorah is honored beyond comprehension when Sam offers his Family Sword. Sam is honored to give it to him and they both understand the importance. Very emotional
As if the sword is sam to give?
Im sure his father would rather have his ancestors treasure be burried rather than giving it to ungrateful son
@@overcomingsins6334 to be fair, his father and his brother aren’t there to protest
@@overcomingsins6334His father was a piece of shit and death by Dragon fire was too good for him
@@overcomingsins6334Ungrateful son ? 🤣🤣🤣. What should he have been grateful for ? A brutal and arrogant father who banished a young man from his family and sent him to the Wall ?
Its crazy how jon has mormonts sword and jorah has tarlys sword
yeah but at least Jon has a wolf on it. 😀
and Brianne and Jaime got the Stark sword (reforged) and they both fight beside Stark children in this battle
It’s like Sam gave Jon a sword in the end…..
@@markvonschober6872 no?
@@dylanmead1341 he's thinking transitive property. It's like a friend paying for another friend's meal and you pay for the first friend's, technically the middle friend can be cancelled out when it comes to paybacks.
As bad ass as lyanna’s death was
It is sad to see the Mormont house end
Even though there's just like 8 house mormont people left after BoB (including guards), I agree
@@FayeFaye- always left a cousin or a bastard
Honestly the death of lady Mormont was pretty dumb, like why would the walker even get her close to his face?
@@theguardianslair529 Well she was fighting a giant and was already half crushed to death. Also the giant was a Wright/Zombie Giant, maybe they're not as smart as a living creature?
@@theguardianslair529 Well it IS a zombie so I guess it wanted to eat her?
It's been said over and over again how awesome Lyanna was but here we see some of the absolute hardest men in the show all defer to her without a second of hesitation. It wasn't just due to her station either, those Mormont men genuinely respected her.
Remember the scene where Tywin is instructing Tommen on what makes a good king, literally everything Twyin says describes Lyanna to a tee.
Remember when Tywin asked about being 'Just'? She has just caused the end of her house and the extinction of her line, opening up her small folk and dependents to mismanagement and appropriation. That's not wise.
@@AkinNath On the other hand, they were facing something that was an existential threat to all humans everywhere. She most likely felt that she couldn't run and hide when if this battle was lost, she was still going to die and her house with her.
@@ElthenarExactly! All the houses were at stake not just the Mormont's Lyanna knew she had nothing left to lose so she decided to go her own way and go out fighting
Loved this scene
Jon bears Jorahs sword and he offered it to him
Jorah declined on behalf of Jon’s honor he knew his father intended on it being Jon’s and Jon’s alone
For he disgraced his father and house
Then hear Tarly who was taught to be a man and forbidden to die by Jorahs father offers him his sword and this time Jorah excepts out of respect of his fathers memory and teachings…..
Except that sam never own that sword to begin with
@@overcomingsins6334 he should have though based on the laws of gods and men, he was his fathers first born son and heir. His father just hated him and didn’t want him as heir so made him join the nights watch
@@overcomingsins6334it was his by right. Against his fathers wishes but his none the less.
Jorah knows this is the end for him. Almost saddness in his eyes. And the way he looks at both longclaw and heartsbane is just hurt. Shame he had to die
Jorah was one of the few characters I genuinely got invested in throughout the entirety of the show. Jorah and Tyrion....those were where my mind just "clicked" with. Jorah for his absolute drive and determination to genuinely serve Danerys, and Tyrion for his intelligence and desire to see a good ruler finally be in place on the throne.
Except Tyrion became dumb
Tyrion's wit ended with season 5, he was dumb for the remaining 3 seasons.
@@fenrislegacy I prefer to think of it as holding out against hope that things wouldn't go the way he feared.
Sadly, when Cersi killed Mysandi....he knew it was a fool's hope.
Season 8 had its problems but it did have moments like this that meant a lot
Yeah there was lots of fan service
@@Jonathan-om1wq🤣🤣🤣 Still waiting for that alternative and perfect script from the “fanboys” …..
This whole episode is everything good about S8, everything before & after was a dumpster fire
@@Roheryn100its not a script but there’s a great video out there called how game of thrones should have ended, most important thing it does is link the great battle with the fight for the throne afterwards, Cersei using walled kings landing to her advantage by making danaerys bend the knee, Jon sacrificing himself at the tree where the night king was born, Daenerys having Jon’s son at the end of the series, it makes so much more sense than what we got
@@nathanlatham5651 I watched that . Interesting, and it certainly ties up ends. But making the Night King impervious to Dragonglass is as much a cop-out as having him be killed by Arya. 🙄
The complete character arc or ser Jonah was amazing. Rip to a true knight
She's fkn terrifying 😂 - that pause and turn was absolutely boss
The Mormonts go hard!
Sometimes the bravest act someone can make is to yield a weapon to the person who is better suited to wield it, and ask to be protected by them.
But the sword doesn't belong to sam, it's his sister sword.
He stole it and giving it away like nothing.
@@overcomingsins6334 technically it was his brother's as the male would have inherited, but since he was the eldest and forced out of his inheritence by an abusive father (he joined the watch because his father told him he would kill him on a hunting trip and make it look like an accident for his mother's sake), he was actually taking the only thing he could actually claim of his own, he stole back what should have been his anyway by birthright. But you aren't wrong he did take it without permission.
@@rebbeccahoneycutt7941 no Rebecca..
he was told by his father to stand up, but he wont.
Told to lose weight but wont.
Told to studying but wont.
The Tarly become a laughing stock because of Him.
Lying to his father about Incest kid.
Lying to his father about wildling girl.
Stole family treasure.
Break the oath of the watch.
Bring wildling girl into black castle.
this character is trash Rebecca.
No Rebecca, children is not entitled to Parents loves and money,
Sam should have leave if he wants to get it his way, don't you agree?
@@rebbeccahoneycutt7941 also He stole his sister clothes.
Tarly is Historic in the westeros, they are known to stand up against Dragons, naturally pussi like sam will stain legacy of family
@@overcomingsins6334 no I don't agree with all of that, while I do agree that no child is intitled to their parent's money, every child is intitled to their parent's love period! And while he did lie to his father, his dad was slim and a misogynistic jerk, there are also people who simply cannot lose weight at all no matter what they do. However as the inheritence laws stand, Sam was entitled to the sword after a fashion, and there is also the issue that not all people are able to become a warrior at all, and while we are on the subject of ways out, Sam originally wanted to and did study, but his father was against him being so studious. Sam was originally willing to step aside and become a Maester, but his father couldn't handle the idea of a member of his family becoming 'a slave' as he called it. There is more than one way to be a man, and his father was too blinded by pride to see any other option, and again threatened to kill him. (By the way I do enjoy debate, so if you have a rebuttal please post back and we can continue.)
And while yes he did take his sister's clothes without asking, judging by how he had described his relationship with his mother and sisters she probably would not have minded, and likely wouldn't have reported them missing except to their mom, accepting that her brother had needed them for something if they pieced that much together.
This whole scene is so underrated
your comment is so underrated...
Please explain exactly how it's 'underrated'. What makes it so?
This scene always reminds of the book series Eragon. The series has swords of similar importance but when the main character is given an opportunity to wield one he realizes right away it's not his type of sword and declines it. I would think that on the eve of battle you want a blade you can wield properly, but then again it kills white walkers.
Good thing we're finally getting that TV series :D
You're definitely right, I immediately thought the same thing, Jorah never fought with a greatsword before, might not have been the best decision to accept the sword :D
@@dinnerboi25 whAT!???
@@KurasakiBleachigo1 what do you mean, what?
@EightFootSativa It's a bit derivative but great for the age group it was released for. Definitely a child hood favorite.
There's very little this seasons does right, but within the confines of the plot they chose... this is right.
I have to say, hearts and was always my favorite Valyrian steel sword. It’s so elegant, but in a very subtle way.
He turned down Longclaw to honor his father’s memory, and accepted Heartsbane to honor his father’s memory. Funny how two opposing actions can both be honorable deeds.
Despite the HORRENDOUS ending, I'm glad that we were given these tiny character moments still hit hard
I LOVE this scene.
“I’ll see you when it’s through”
Even before the episode, I knew Jorah was done.
When Tyrion said “I think we might live” I expected all those around him to survive the Battle of Winterfell (as I felt Jaime had to die with Cersei!)
Sometimes the deaths we see coming hurt the most! 😭
Jorah’s death haunted me for days. His dead corpse after the battle was over was such a devastating image, but also one of the few endings in Season 8 that felt earned! 😢
Cannot believe Season 8 aired nearly 5 years ago! 😮
Realistically speaking, being the last heir to the House of Mormont and a child. There is no way in hell Lyanna would ever be allowed to fight. She would of been dragged away by a battalion of guards and sent as far away to safety as possible because you just cant risk the bloodline ending with the death of the final heir who hasnt had a child of their own yet.
Realistically speaking, that's how a present-day system would operate. Theirs is still at the medieval level where kings and lords fought at the head of the army and not at a command post farther back.
@@blackjac5000 I think even in medieval times, they knew that sending a child heir to a noble house to fight in the frontlines was dumb af.
And probably would’ve cut out the tongue of any incompetent dipshit demanding her to fight, or even supporting her arrogant belief that she should.
She was leading by example, life in the north was obviously hard and a person, regardless of rank, had to be tough to survive. She wasn’t raised to be a decorative princess, she was raised by a warrior to be a warrior. If the White walkers weren’t defeated no one was going to survive anyway
"I'll see you when its through"
Too bad Jorah didnt make it
This scene is so underrated.
Hope Sam got his sword back
Had to dig it out from some corpses, but it'll clean off.
Jorah protecting Daenerys with the sword of a family she killed. The irony.
It's pretty good to see how Lyanna does not bash on Jorah for the dishonor he's given to House Mormont, seeing he changed, calling him "cousin" to acknowledge their kinship whilst wishing him good luck.
Unfortunately Jorah was right: had Lyanna listened to her older and more experienced cousin, she could've survived in the crypts and House Mormont would still live on thought her.
If he claimed back his role as head of their house, Jorah could've saved Lyanna by ordering her to stay safe. But now the rains weep on their hall and not a soul to hear...
Yeah that’s what the talentless, politically charged writing produces
They both had valid arguments in the matter though: he said "you're too valuable to risk" while she said "leaders lead from the front."
@@jde-jj1luDo feel free to post your own script that ties everything up flawlessly…
@@Roheryn100 Flawlessly no chance, but kinda forgetting about the dragons, defenders outside walls of winterfell ect I think i wouldn't make those mistakes.
-Imagine: Sam should have been in the crypt with Ghost, just in case things went bad. I’d imagine him, Ghost and Tyrion fighting and protecting them all.
-Imagine: Bran saying “I’m be leaving now” and enters into Jon’s dragon and blazes the entire battlefield
Glad you weren't fuckin directing it
"You will never walk again...but you will fly" by the Three-Eyed-Raven should've lead up to Bran taking over a dying dragon and then remaining in the dragon body (maybe cause his own body get's completely destroyed) and he leaves Westeros behind at the end of the series, to never walk again but to fly.
Maybe in an alternate reality all the storylines have a satisfying ending. Or at least one...would've been nice.
@@TheNerdyBox I was pretty sure that Bran was going to warg into one of the dragons. It would've been much better than what actually happens.
Meanwhile, lamentation is STILL sitting in the ruins of the dragon pit
Jorah took it as valyrian swords were exceptionally light in weight and durable. It made Jorah a lot more dangerous wielding that sword
Jorah lost his honor and thus his family sword. But here Sam gave him another sword because of Jorah's father and his teaching. And thus Sam restored Jorah's honor.
Lady Mormont has got more balls than the men who are twice her size. There is a leader who talks the talk and walks the walk. 👌🏾
Jorah and lyanna Mormont died as courageously as they fought
I would've killed for a scene with Lyanna and Geoffry in the same room
I assume you mean Joffry. Arya had him crying when she barely knew how to fight, Lyanna would have made him absolutely piss himself.
Thank God Sam is one of people in charge of the 7 kingdoms
6* & you're absolutely right. between Tyrion Davos and Brienne..the kingdom is in good hand
Right the North
@@frenchsterr4708 lets not foget about bronn. Lol. He has survived till the end. 😂.
He played the game really well.
Well Bronn’s aren’t exactly good hands lol.
He’s a puckish rouge
not sure but i think after this House Mormont is gone .. its sad to see the most loyal Stark supporters gone like that
In the books there’s loads of cousins for every house but for the show the family trees have been pruned.
@@bingtunder683 Out of necessity. There’d be way, way too many characters on-screen otherwise. But we could also just figure the other characters are there, but not immediately relevant to the plot and so are simply occupied elsewhere.
I wish Ice was still around. Should’ve given it to the Hound or Tormund to do big cleaving damage to undead
Well, in a sense it is ... Jaime wielding Widow's Wail and Brienne Oathkeeper.
@@Inuwoodx yeah true, much more effective
I would love to see Widow’s Wail melted back down and perhaps forged into something new for Sansa. Perhaps not a sword, but something more like a glaive, or a Japanese naginata; something that would make sense for a noblewoman of her stature to use, more than a traditional sword, as it’s designed to allow a smaller fighter to take on someone much larger than themselves. And as a result, has a much more “feminine” feel to it.
I think fashioning Widow’s Wail, which was made from Ice, into a woman’s glaive would be perfect for the Queen of the North. A graceful, feminine, but still very lethal weapon that carries the memory of the Stark ancestors with it.
@@rekkariley652 I'm a huge glaive fan. There was only one and it was wielded by that Dornish bodyguard and he never used it
Ice was there with Jaime and brienne
John's head nod acting is hilarious cor some reason. He definitely grew up on some old comedy films.
Ya know, I ain't a sword fighter but I am fencer and even I know that you can't just pick up any old weapon and use it to great effect. There's balance and all kinds of factors that make a weapon suited to a fighter.
Jorah should trade that sword back to Jon Snow so he can get the Mormont sword back. Sam would probably rather have Jon wielding Heartsbane anyway
Well he did offer it to him before, Jorah declined.. Also I don't Jorah is interested in trading anything anymore, he didn't live through the battle.
To earn a man’s respect is a feat in itself but to do it twice is an almost impossible task
Jorah was hands down my favorite, i was devastated when he died 😢 along with heartsbane the best designed sword in the series.
AWESOME!!!
"You'd be safer in the crypt"
It's like they didn't even bother to write a comprehensive script, and the fact no one had the guts to tell them of their blatant contradiction is really sad...
yeah, was screaming at the screen the whole episode.
The crypt was still the safest place in winterfell. When every room and corridor in the castle was crawling with the dead, they still hadn’t even reached the crypt. The only concern there was old mummified Starks, and they had no reason to prioritize fear of them over fear of the night kings active soldiers. Snap out of it, hop off the bandwagon, and stop watching this with the mindset that has been forced onto you by the whining, knuckle-dragging masses.
Season 8 has it's gems
Sam the most loyal Stark ally his father probably would’ve killed for being loyal to the Starks
Everybody got each other’s Houses’ Valerian steel swords.
I wish me and my bros talked like this
I just realized that the same family sword that belonged to the Tarleys helped to defend (By Jorah's use) the very woman who had Sam's Father and Brother flamed grilled by Drogan. Talk about funny turn abouts eh lol.
Supposed to be the future of their family line and she foolishly throws that notion aside and causes the end of her family line of House Mormont.
I'm sure Randyll Tarly ashes are rolling in his grave (although he didn't have one).
Yeah, this sword should go to his sister or be burried with Randyll, sam don't own that sword
my man Jorah getting offered Valyrian steels left and right
One of the few things the forst few episodes of season 8 got right was letting characters connect even for a moment.
Sam and Jorah
Arya and the Hound
Podrick’s song
Brienne defending Jaime.
Etc.
The show did fall to shit but these scenes remind me of the things they got right.
Honestly, the biggest problem with GOT wasn’t running out of source material. It was the mad stampede to wrap up the story in two short seasons
The song scene will always be beautiful. I wish there was a full version of it sang by him.
@@Gum_Cuzzler Dickhead and dumbass just had to get started on their Star Wars project and loe and behold it got scrapped because of S8's critical performance. Geniuses..
Here Jorah, use my Family sword to defend the queen that killed my Tarly family. I honestly thought they were gonna do more with Sam taking the sword. Like learning more about the properties of Valyrian Steel at the Citadel.
But, instead it's this contrived scene of Sam giving it to Jorah so they can close this plotline hastily. No mention of the sword again, and Sam is somehow Grand Maester after its all done. People are pretty easy to please if they think this was good writing.
One of the far between good scenes is Season 8
Big Sam. MVP for sure.🥲
The Mt. Rushmore of good people in Westeros:
Ned, Jon, Sam, Pod.
I guess the sword is still lying around in front of winterfell
I think I’d say Jorah was my favorite character.
Imagine this! random episode of game of thrones just comes out in a few years and it starts with Sam and Jorah both walking beside each other as dead men part of the army of the dead heading down to kings landing with Brandon Starks head mounted on a spear. It pans out to 3 dead dragons flying over and breaching the walls the golden company running for their ships only for the dragons to burn them all right infront of the commander then the horde of dead just slaughter all of kings landing set sail with the remaining ships and begin conquering the known world. Wouldn’t that have been a way better ending than the one we got?
True respect between 2 different men. One a warrior, the other a man of peace. Both brave in their way.
gods this season makes no sense.
jorah is sworn to denaerys. denaerys killed sams father and younger brother (sam actually forgets this somehow and calls dickon his older brother) and he is clearly upset by this, yet he gives jorah his families sword for some reason. also no, jeor mormont did not teach samwell anything that we saw on screen.
Jeor definitely teach Sam Jon edd and other young black brothers how to be men. if it weren't for him none of them would even still be alive let alone be the leaders to fight the walkers... sir Alliser woulda been came for them.
Season was bad, this scene is good
Jorah wasn’t there when Sam’s family was burnt alive and as much as it would have hurt Sam, an army of undead takes priority at that moment for him and that’s believable.
@@bingtunder683 also, his father hated him. I don't think he had much love left for the old fuck. Might have had some for Dickon though.
Joer is with Jon who is always with Sam so maybe he gives pointers...
Joer also baby sits Sam beyond the wall too
@@frenchsterr4708 where did it show this on screen though?
man Season 8 Destroyed everyone's arcs this is one of the very few scenes i liked
So, Ser Jorah is a swords collector with a preference in Valyrian steel.
“You still had a family?”
About that
His mother and sister still live, so he does.
@@Paragon231 wait, they did? Kinda forgot about the show, but I thought all the family died
@@PRchris13 No only his father and brother
Pedobear will always be one of my favorite characters.
I mean, he can just lend it to him, like after the war to give it back to sam
Both Mormont dead 😔
Lady Mormont is such a badass!
Lyanna should have survived. She is what the new world needed.
That's just the thing with the last two seasons (especially 8, 7 was okayish still)... There are so many really, really good scenes, but there are also so many bad ones. You'd sit delightedly through one scene, just to flip your table at the following scene and revert to greatness a scene later. It's just an up and down...
If you read the books you would realize show was going to die in after tyrion's trial. They changed too much from the books hence GRRM left after s4
@@bait5257 I have read them. There were many changes, but I understand many of them from a dramathurgical standpoint. Because - as great a writer he may be - GRRM gets entangled rather quickly. Simply following his writing after so many books with so many plotlines would be disastrous for cinematography. Still really has nothing to do with my point at all.
[Spoiler Alert] Sir Jorah was probably honored beyond words to die with such a fine blade. We are certain he would've wanted to live but hopelessly outnumbered while protecting someone is almost a guaranteed way to die in GOT.
I wonder how Sam would've felt about jorah's death.
I am pained by how season 8 went. Despite everything, I could have forgiven the writers, if they had just ended it with Jon on the Iron Throne, its what they had set him up for since like season 5.
Lol is it just me, or during one of the seasons in the beginning at castor's keep i remember geor putting his duty above what's right?
Ironical that tarly sword should protect deanerys
Sam can't hold the sword upright. Valyrian Steel is meant to be lighter than a normal sword so Sam is weak.
Which is older longclaw or heartsbane?
Can't hold it upright? The whole thing about Valyrian steel is that it is light.
He was never a swordsman, remember? Especially with the zweihander broadswords their society seemed to favor.
I hope we win 🤷🏻♂️
D&d were so terrfied of including the more supernatural aspect of the universe, imagine if Jon had faced the Night King and his sword bursts into flame after a long duel, fulfilling the Azor Ahai prophecy, would have been better than ninja girl stabbing him with a dagger, that they never explored in the slightest to its real meaning or ya know, whats written on it.
1:52 no, you won't... 😔
Why is it so damn dark? Why is everything so dark in season 8? Did they just put the contrast down to 10?
Every series (Kenobi too) started to fall dark in late 10s, I guess it's cheaper to shoot scenes like that, have no other explanation why can't we _see_ what's going on
its the natural light craze.
Sam should have been king.
How many times this actress has to fight the undead/infected 😂
Cousin 🥴🥴🥴
What happened to the sword after Jorah dies? Was it recovered and returned back to Samwell?
Dr.isaacs vs t virus
even in this terrible season, these rare great scenes make me kind of want to rewatch it, but I know I'll stop again after s7 if not s5. so so bloody frustrating
When will Sam get his own show?
😮😮😮 then when did the sword ⚔️ after johora d
Always liked Jorah, even if he was the Realms biggest simp🤣
So where did heartsbane end up after the battle, back with Sam ? Or was it lost ?
They...kinda forgot about it.
@@NtoTheM lol
I dont know if its the brightness of my phone or what I cant see shit... Like Im not even joking its dark as hell
The first 3 episodes of the season suffered from poor lighting, Especially the 3rd episode.
What a pathetic character they made Sam. Steals his family sword then gives it to the man who simps over the woman who burned his brother and father alive.
It’s crazy how we’ve got these fanfiction scenes that came out after Game of Thrones concluded with season five. They are super high-quality, and I give those guys props to production but man the writing is total shit.
They completely butchered and 180'd a lot of characters' motivations and developments in the last few seasons, but they at least kept these three on the right track.