5 Petty Reasons Why Oblivion Is Better Than Skyrim
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- There are some pretty good reasons to claim Oblivion is better than Skyrim, but today we are not talking about those. Today we are talking about the little things that honestly aren't that big of a deal but I am going to blow them out of proportion anyway.
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Oblivion: you need recommendations from all guild halls to enter the university.
Skyrim: do you know how to cast fireball?
I had to cast flames, and I was a High Elf so I thought since they are so gifted with magic then I should get something a little difficult
@fuckface unstoppable Actually: ruclips.net/video/84PuKDVb4WY/видео.html
@@leonardobarros9322 i was literally thinking of the same video
Sadly the Mages recomendations could be better. For example, conjuring, I don't know, some Scamps or esqueletons, asking you a potion that only you can do if you have more than 25 at alchemy....
I don't know, something to show that you have some expierence doing magic. If you can do all the magic quest without magic, well, they're a poblem.
Not even, just yell at her as dragon born.
-dragonborn: *Saved the world like 5 times*
-guards: citizen
Also you are a fucking thane too...that lil shit should call you "sir."
" Hands to yourself, _sneak thief_ "
@@egedenizgogen7978 and i have 16 of stealth and sneak
Champion of Cyrodill: *saves the world repeatedly*
Guard: "I saw a mudcrab the other day."
Oblivion saves the world
Guard:my god you stopped the oblivion crisis
The lack of spellmaking is still my main gripe with Skyrim. It's an essential part of being a mage. Most of mages' time is spent on research and study. Well what are they researching and studying? The answer is... magical sources, magical properties, magical interactions, magical devices, and SPELLS.
The lack of underwater spell casting bugs me just as much. Water-breathing would have been way more useful if the player could cast it underwater. All of the self affecting spells should have been cast-able underwater.
Yeah and like half the spells from Oblivion got removed in Skyrim
Oblivion: now that you’re famous and well liked enough, we will allow you to ride this unicorn. Everyone loves you and is in awe of you. Skyrim: *Leads the companions*, Guard: “Have you thought of joining the companions?”
Oblivion had a hand to hand skill. It's extremely satisfying boxing your way through hell and back and actually getting rewarded for it. Also if you got to a 50 in that skill you could punch ghosts
I don't know why but this made me laugh. Have a like.
I missed the boxing mechanics too bro, in skyrim you just throw haymakers like an idiot without blocks and combinations.
I'm in the middle of my first Karate play through of Oblivion, and it's awesome.
Punching a fucking ghost. A being of supernatural origin, that cannot be affected by any normal means.
Punching. A. Ghost. With. Your. Hands. It's so fucking badass. I wish we could also use our feet/legs for awesome kick ass fighting moves
I really want to like this, but it's currently at 69...
Honestly, Riverwood is more of a city than Winterhold.
Borislav Arnaudov only because of the Great Collapse.
Borislav Arnaudov Nope nope aaaaaand nope, you lit clearly don't know the definition of a city than do you??
Borislav Arnaudov I get what you mean like winter hold just looks depressing but river wood is smaller but more liked
The Great Collapse happened about 80yrs before the game starts. Are you telling me that nobody gave a shit at rebuilding it after all that time? Why can't the Mage Guild just conjure some hammers and fix their damn bridge already.
That's kind of on purpose...
I love how dedicated Oblivion was to building large, creative environments. Such as the planes of Oblivion, and the Shivering Isles. When you were transported to those places, it helped add so much depth and interest to the entire game.
The Shivering Isles specifically is also one of my favorite places to explore and experience in game. The color scheme, the array of different plants and creatures, it's twisted nature. Every person has a different personality. And spending time with Sheogorath and becoming his champion was just badass entirely. Who doesn't want to become a mad Daedric prince's champion?
Oblivion also had a stronger feeling of saving the world and being the hero, compared to Skyrim. Yeah dragons are scary, but compared to the recesses of Hell opening up that are full of mutilated corpses, blood, lava, torture devices and terrifying enemies, dragons are nothing. I also love how the sky turns red when close to an Oblivion gate. It's such a small but thoughtful detail that always scared the shit out of me, especially when stumbling upon a gate in the middle of no where.
You hit the nail on the head!
the room at the beginning of the shivering isles fading into butterflies is still one of the coolest intro sequences
also trying to play and find every thing in the game requires you to read ten bibles worth of text. Morrowwind is just a fancy book
Just getting to the Sigil Keep in Oblivion gives players at least 20 situations were they could die, since the Realms are filled with traps and strong enemies. In Skyrim, you can kill a dragon the first time they land with the right equipment, making them a minor threat at times
on god after the second oblivion plane it was just a fucking chore
Even though it's really awkward and cringey, I absolutely love the voice acting and NPC AI in Oblivion. You could hear that the voice actors of Oblivion were really into it, they put their hearts into it and had fun with it. Even though it's derpy, and there's some sort of mental and physical affliction that has taken hold of every NPC, it's hilarious and it somehow added to the charm of Oblivion. Skyrim doesn't have that.
"Oh did somebody stole your sweetroll?????"
Skyrim's voice acting is so wooden and stilted, yeah. So many voice types have almost no emotion to their lines at all, it's like listening to robots talking to each other.
I could feel the anger in lucien lechances voice when he yells at the player in oblivion. I havent had a single moment in skyrim where I thought a character was so raging mad that he was gonna jump out of the screen and murder me
Bruh Skyrim NPC's are better. They are more developed AI. They feel more alive. Oblivion funnier
@@Sazandora123 in polish version voice actors did a great job, but when I listen to english version it is just lacking any emotions and deep.
Dragonborn: *Becomes the hero of the Unnamed Faction (edit), Saves the world from vampires, Saves the world from Alduin, the WORLD EATER*
Vilkas: I've never even heard of this outsider.
(edit): There, now stop being mad.
Metal Blade but they don’t acknowledge you saved them
@@MarcoBMark-rt6ke no, unlike in skyrim they actually do. in oblivion you can walk pass guard and they'll go "The hero of Kvatch. This is truly an honor"
@@swetaros plus if you complete the questline you get a statue made into your honor. If you become the divine crusader they will even address that. If you become champ of the Arena people will comment about your fight with the gray prince. In skyrim I can do anything, ANYTHING!!! and people still treat me like I started the game
*Stormcloaks
@@VeemaMusic *Empire
My biggest reason for liking oblivion better than Skyrim is enemy variety. One can only fight so many draugrs, dragons, bandits, and falmer before getting bored. The world of cyrodil felt so much more mythical and magical with all its creatures and beasts. Not to mention the first time I ran into a Minotaur I almost shat myself.
The ManAmongMidgets i only just ran into both a minotaur and an ogre just a few days ago. Shit was fucking terrifying.
@@grillacoupe SAME. haven't played ESO since i was a kid, sneaking around because i was scared of everything. Just now learning about all the cool shit.
Destin Holland im so glad ive gotten back into it, especially during this lockdown. Only just figured out the efficient levelling haha
@@grillacoupe i am really glad that I'm not the only one that started playing oblivion during this quarantine. This is the first time, and yes, I almost die of fear when I saw my first minotaur.
The ManAmongMidgets Oblivion had the most generic enemies of the entire series. Minotaurs are the only cool ones.
Everyone gangsta till lockpicks start weighing 0.5 in the elder scrolls 6
Wait ... what? O_O They're actually doing that?
@@LadyCoyKoi nah fallout 76 had that issue.. but that wasn't the only one hah
Or 0.1 for each septim you have
Or if they give arrows weight again
I miss being able to use magic while being able to use a sword and shield. Playing a paladin type character really sucked in skyrim because you had to keep switching between magic/shield. It really take me out of combat
I imagine they did that to give the Shouts their own dedicated button. Hopefully they will go back to the old system, since the Shouts will most likely be gone in The Elder Scrolls VI.
i would say you should then use onehanded and a improve armor rating spell such as stoneflesh in the other
Yeah that's what I suspect too, that they made Dragon Shouts a bigger priority than magicka spells
Also Skyrim´s magic got cucked super hard imho.
In higher levels you start to notice that all the +dmg enchantments are for bows and melee weapons... there is nothing like that for magic except the reduced mana cost bullshit.
I really hated going around and spamming fucking nuclear explosines like crazy, because they were barely doing anything anymore.
I also miss being able to block with my weapon sheathed.
Oblivion doesn't crucify you for killing chickens
+Euan Mango haha that's a pretty good reason.
This is actually a reason why skyrim is better
It does for picking up an apple though...
Dumb s'wit! Oblivion is clearly superior.
if your gonna say skyrim sucks please explain why
Oblivion’s guild quest lines are way better. In fact, the stories are just better generally.
Dark Brotherhood, sure in Oblivion it was far better. The Thieves Guild are both decent, so that's a tie. The Mages Guild quest in Oblivion is nothing but fetch this, collect that, and all quests can be done by sneak and persuasion. Not much magic involved really, except creating a staff. Skyrim's Mage quest was better, because at least two instances involve the requirement of magic, and there was more than just kill this and fetch that. Overall, Oblivion guild quests were a bit better, but it's nothing to rave on about. Oblivion main quest was trash. The Oblivion Realm dungeons were the worst thing about that game ever, period
@@Warp2567 What ? The Thieves Guild in skyrim is a discount Fighters guild. The Last Quest "The Ultimate Heist" was Legendary. Skyrims "Mage" Guild sucked ass, show me you can cast firebolt! OHHHH LORD AN SAVIOR pls become arch mage. Literally after your first magic lesson EVER you are send to a dangerous ruin and find one of the most power full artifacts in existence. Let the Dungeons and Oblivion Reals be bad ok thats alright along as the quest in there are amusing, unlike skyrims. Every Guild in Skyrim is the Same Go there kill that fetch this and BOOM Guild Leader!
I feel like for how vast the game is, a reduction of story was necessary
Apparently there were a tone of cut content to allow the player the freedom to do events in any order
The thieves guild was WAY better in Oblivion. I love that you go to Armand Christophe and say "jobs" expecting to be given a quest, and he sarcastically taunts you for it. "Jobs? What do you mean *jobs?* You're a thief! Look. You find a likely place, wait til night, sneak in and case the joint. Get it? Go!"
@@sinnithael7707 You do know that ruins you were sent to, after the first Magic Lesson in Skyrim, was to learn about the history of magic, right? Seems fitting after a first lesson of magic, is it not??
It just so happens your character discovered one of the most powerful artifacts ever, which your character CAN'T EVEN USE, so what's the problem with that story?
Seems to me you haven't played alot of Skyrim at all. Probably just watched people play it on youtube, then formed your own biased opinion because of your nostalgia and blind love of Oblivion. Lol that Ultimate Heist quest from thieves guild was the longest, most drawn out quest. It became extremely redundant. Nothing to rave about
The adoring fan followed me into the Mythic Dawn Hideout during the quest where you act like one of them and got murdered
It's fun how you can take him literally anywhere and kill him in many different ways. My adoring fan in some random oblivion gate I found near Bruma
What a shame, he was a good man. What a rotten way to die.
I closed him in the oblivion gate of Skingrad
I keep him locked in my house 😅
Same! But he respawned near the arena like 2 in game days later
Skyrim:
*Robs Jarl/steward/maid/thalmor/every rich npc in town*
"Wait...I know you"
Oblivion:
*Picks up fork*
"IT'S ALL OVER LAWBREAKER"
YOUR SPREE IS AT AN END
*THEN PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD*
YOUR STOLEN GOODS ARE NOW FORFEIT
STOP! YOU VIOLATED THE LAW! PAY THE COURT A FINE OR SERVE YOUR SENTENCE!
PAY THE COURT A FINE OR SERVE YOUR SENTENCE
I liked how in oblivion the npcs would be realistic and respect u if u were the champion of cyrodyill but in Skyrim as the dragonborn they treat u like dirt
I'm scared to fight dragons because i dont want accadntaly kill the chicken
@@lightblueghost hahaha
@@milrr7287 haha I hate what happens if you kill a chicken in skyrim
That's not true you dirt loser!
Do you get to the cloud district very often?
Right hand: Sword
Left hand: Shield
Middle hand: Fireball
Truly the Hero of Kvatch was gifted.
You don't have a middle hand.
@@callumkristofer7793 i have... Actually, i have a middle leg.
@@aureliofelix3335 No way.
@@callumkristofer7793 I think he means the 'delicate part' of the male body
@@projectzeromortals798 Oh
All the cities in Oblivion actually _feel_ like cities. They all have huge walls, guide chapters, multiple stores, and tons of houses, not to mention a castle for the Duke. Most cities in Skyrim lack a big wall for protection, barely have any houses (outside of Solitude), and some even lack basic stores. Some can hardly even be called a town, like Winterhold for example.
The cities in Skyrim feel more like outposts to a city, not a city themselves.
Oblivion also had decisions that could actually effect you in a negative way. If you do the Pilgrimage quest line and get all of the Crusader’s Relics, and then murder someone in cold blood, you lose those relics and have to re-earn them. You also can get demoted in guilds in oblivion if you break the rules. Everything holds weight.
It is probably because most of them are not sophisticated like cyrodiil, you compare new york to Santa Fe
Not to mention all of the guild questlines are longer and better in Oblivion
Ya'll forgetting something.
PLOT AND LORE
Oblivion takes place 200 years before skyrim
And that 200 years.
ALOT has happened on SKYRIM.
The great collapse
The great war
The Rebellion. I wouldn't be surprised if the Towns On Skyrim became like winterhold... Literally everyone is having a hard life be It The Noble. Commoner. Jarl. Assasins. Thieves. Bandits. Mage. Almost everyone.
It'd be not like that if not for mehrunes dagon.
That Big red dude Lose. But he somehow still won Because he bring changes To Tamriel.
(He's god of destruction and Change?)
Aside from that
Solitude
Windhelm
Whiterun
Riftena
Are the only true cities I admired in skyrim...
Ya'll should Read the lore of Elder scrolls not just fapping yer' mouth🤦🤦
In the old days Riften Is Ten times bigger than solitude. But thats Veryyyy long ago. The riften in skyrim today is sh*t.
And the thieves guild no longer have the "underground city"
Because TIME and PLOT.
Oblivion city is great because it's in the center Of one of the most succesfull businesses in Tamriel
The cyrodiil..
@@iSeeCorpses you do realize the writers/producers mold the lore to fit the game and vice versa. None of what you said excuses Skyrim’s cities being pitifully small, they simply could have wrote the lore differently or made it take place in a different era in Skyrim.
@@TheRealAbraxas then it May Not be interesting as it is. The Era on skyrim is great because we get to see what being a dragonborn is like. And also what Happened to the past main character(Kvatch, Nerevarine)
In general, Oblivion feels like you need to be smarter. Skyrim, true to being a game in the Nordlands, feels more like a game about being a meat tank. Magic is there, but it feels less... important
Also, no choice of sign or class. I get that it was complete in Oblivion, and that it was easy to make a “bad” character, but I like having that much control over the character I make.
whenever i level up in oblivion i just use console commands to get the same +5 to attributes i'd get if i min maxed, specifically so i can do whatever i want and don't have to min max
I like how it's called petty reasons even though most of these are perfectly legitimate criticisms of skyrim
Some of them are petty. I think anyone that says combat in Oblivion is better than Skyrim is delusional. I'm not saying Skyrim's combat is good, ES isn't really good at making good combat. But Oblivion's combat is way worse than Skyrim's. It feels clunky, the character swings too fast, everything takes ages to kill, the only reaction they give to being hit is "bwaaaargh" whereas in Skyrim they actually stumble back a bit (about the "not being able to attack after being attacked" part in Oblivion, I agree, Oblivion did that better than Skyrim), drawing a bow has the flection feeling in Skyrim while in Oblivion it's like there is no flection, you're just pulling back the arrow in the air, and finally, killcams are great. Even after seeing the same animation many times, they're still fun to see. It gives different camera angles, and it's satisfying. Don't tell me you don't like slashing at a Forsworn's knees and decapitating them while they're on their knees with dramatic camera angles for the 100th time. I won't believe it.
And adding danger to spellmaking wouldn't solve the problem of spellmaking. Todd said it's too "spreadsheety", it means that the system requires too much textbook knowledge. Yes, it's basically dumbing down the game in one more way (Skyrim's really obsessed with dumbing things down, I can see that because I'm not wearing any goggles that have nostalgia written on them.) But I bet many people had to read many guides just to get a grasp on how spellmaking works in previous games. Whether that's fun or not is up to the player I guess.
Other than that, all the other complaints are perfectly valid.
@@masterblaster2678 I see your point, and yeah ES doesn't have good combat, skyrim's is a bit more hype but at the end of the day its pretty much just swing until the enemy dies and block when the power attack comes. The main thing is the story and progression of the character, and what you can do with it, like oblivion gives you the acrobatics tree and you can use that to find a clever way around dungeons and stuff, whereas skyrim feels a bit too streamlined.
And I like the spell making but yeah it is a bit spreadsheety. I will fully admit I do have the nostalgia goggles on, but I liked the cross of classic morrowind CRPG style and streamlined modern day RPG oblivion does.
But I do see your points. :)
@Master Blaster ive only just gotten into oblivion, i simply prefer the combat. i just finished skyrim earlier, too. i dont know what it is about skyrim combat, i feel like the lack of movement made spell casting boring, i preferred to dart around the room chucking fireballs at the enemy, with skyrim it just feels too formulaic; i get my fireball spell, use it a few times until the enemy gets too close, if they die before they get to me, lovely, if they dont, i swing at them with a mace. i will agree that oblivion combat *felt* more uneventful to play, but skyrim was just 2 tanks duking it out from what i played. max oblivion difficulty is more fun because i can work out the most optimal way to move around the room to prevent the miniboss hitting me. with skyrim you just have to play slightly more defensive and have better gear/more potions
edit: didn’t articulate myself well enough
skyrim combat: very formulaic, very character level based. legendary difficulty simply required more defensive play style and better gear. i did like the legend of zelda feel where you get stronger and ace a boss once they kill you already
oblivion: more wacky tools at your disposal, but less eventful combat. i liked how the combat wasn’t as power based, instead you had to utilise all the wacky tools at your disposal. extreme difficulties were are more skill based and generally more fun to play because of this
I think when you're critiquing a game as hallowed as Skyrim, you gotta tread softly by labeling it as pettiness.
@@siimad2988 I agree tbh, oblivion feels more replayable because I feel like you can make more in depth, almost D&D style characters, each run being different, whereas skyrim I feel that level of deep experimentation was lost. Obviously Oblivion's experimentation pales in comparison to Morrowind's class system, but this is oblivion vs skyrim we're talking about here.
Oblivion had colors. That was nice.
Yes and the landscape wasn't all one big boring marsh!
2007-2008s was a experimentation era with color palettes and resolutions. Just think in GTA IV and Gears of War. TES was just super advanced.
NoxVicticus So does Skyrim tho, right?
The Sheeper You are right, everything in Skyrim is brown or gray
The Sheeper skyrim is way better then COD
Oblivion quests: Hes trapped in his dream, use this amulet to join his dream and safe him!
He drew a picture that created a new world, enter the picture!
Buy a haunted house, open a mysterious gate in the cellar and get trapped in it with a freakin op mage, so you will wet yourself!
Skyrim Quests: Go to that dungeon and get an IRON SWORD cause its a VERY IMPORTANT family heirloom.
Kill an entire dungeon with bandits in it.
Enter the mind of pelagius and cure his madness...well....guess thats ok...
What about the reiklings of thrisk mead hall or killing the FRIGGING EMPEROR, you're ignoring some pretty fun quests
@@RH-sy8yl I agree that killing the emperor was pretty fun but...C'mmon,look at the rest of the Dark Brotherhood quests in Skyrim,it's not that great.
Oblivion has many great quests, not all of them are executed very well but the ideas are fantastic. For example the sheogorath shrine quest is amazing in Oblivion. You basically have to convince a small village living in harmony and prosperity into thining the world is going to end by a prophecy based on very old lore. It's a hilarious but super evil quest that almost makes you feel bad, in any case it's a great quest and there are many like those in Oblivion, especially the shrine quests.
come onn the blackstar quest in skyrim was pretty amazing especially for something that was just a solo side quest
"go get this iron sword so i can make a living even tho i have a steel sword clearly equipped"
Skyrim was still good, but I've always felt there were soo many little things that just made Oblivion much more enjoyable and memorable.
200 years after Oblivion everybody took an arrow into the knee so they couldn't jump anymore.
No, just no.
is it supposed to be funny?
I thought it was funny enough to actually make sense.
Taking an arrow to a knee means marrying..........
400 years brah but whos counting
I miss the Imperial guards will chase you as if you were Sarah Connor. One guard chased me from the western part of Oblivion the eastern part killing bears and bandits along the way.
Hahaha that's so cool. The might of the imperium
Brotherhood ofSteel - "then pay with your blood ".
@Falk M Watch The Terminator then.
Adamus Phillida is one of the best missions. I love walking into the guard barracks frenzying everyone and then running out and hearing the ping, "Adamus Phillida has died" to friendly guard fire tantrum spirals. Then every single guard in Leyawijn goes berserk and you have to flee the city.. until it breaks and you can waltz right into the guard barracks again, no bounty whatsoever.
"You're the Grand Champion! I saw your match!" "you mind while I peruse this crime scene? Thanks very much".
Being able to cast spells without the need to unequip anything
That is nice, but...so is dual casting.
thank you! I never liked how you had to "equip" spells in Skyrim. Sure it looked more cinematic, but I don't like pausing to rearrange what's in my hands to switch from weapons to magic. I had at least wished that whatever weapons you had in your inventory in Skyrim, or most recently used weapons, would be on your character (back, sides etc) while they cast spells.
@@gugalldiznii383 Favorise your spells with F, open the menu with Q and hotkey the spells with numbers...Jesus its the same effect but more immersive
@A Random Dude dude why do you hate Oblivon so much? The dual cast system made it impossible to play a hybrid class, and that's pretty bad considering a mage class in skyrim is complete shit. That is until you reach magika cost zero and then it breaks the game.
@A Random Dude that is not true, and you know nothing about how I play. Technically yes its possible, but it just sucks so hard. Its not an opinion, it just sucks. It takes a dedicated build to do, and then it fares much worse than an equal build on fighting or stealth. Then at the very end its insanely overpowered just from enchantments, and doesn't take any other sort of build to excel with.
The cities in Oblivion feel much more unique and compact with lore and intrigue than Skyrim has ever had
1:45 As someone who was introduced to the Elder Scrolls via Skyrim, I SO FELT BETRAYED about city size. I thought playing Oblivion would be a step back, but I was pleasantly surprised at how amazing it felt as a world compared to Skyrim. I sincerely hope ES6 doesn't F that up.
Also on the note of combat. Oblivion visually feels like I'm swinging a twig, but gameplay wise, it feels impactful
Skyrim visually feels impactful, but gameplay wise I'm swinging a twig (and in turn, being hit by them too)
That's nicely put. I wouldn't have come up with that comparison but reading it I can only agree.
Yes the towns in oblivion were much bigger than Skyrim. I was kinda disappointed when I first played Skyrim.
Love you videos, glad to know you also love oblivion lol
I'd actually expect less from TESVI. Just look at the differences from Morrowind to Oblivion. Beth simplifies things with every new installment.
Another thing too i felt the guilds all around were better in oblivion.
Dark brotherhood was way better in oblivion than sky rim.
THAT IS SO TRUE! And Shadowmere was such a cool gift in oblivion too. In skyrim it can die.. Boring!
Finally, i found someone who also think that the dark brotherhood is way better than the one in Skyrim
@@bluelenaeevee2053 yeah,shadowmere ''can'' die in skyrim
she just...comes back to life after a while,so yeah
Doesn't hold a candle to the Morrowind struggle of the Morag Tong vs the Dark Brotherhood (and the honor of the Morag Tong not being confused with the Camonna Tong)
@@juslenjeyatharan1004 Morrowind quests are pretty poor by today's standards mechanically. The writing and lore is what makes Morrowind great but the mechanics have aged horribly.
Skyrim: 12 Buildings
Oblivion: 20 Buildings
Daggerfall: Hold my beer
Dagerfall: all the buildings lol
Daggerfall had more buildings than there are actual buildings on Earth.
Azrael EdT
Daggerfall was dogshit tho.
Daggerfall was empty everywhere else though
who dafuq plays games to count buildings ????
I loved how much variety there was in Oblivion, and how many secrets it had. I thought it was so cool when I became a vampire and had these crazy stat boosts, or when I found out that there were things called black soul gems that could be made only by following a really specific ritual. It just had so much depth to it.
i personally loved the persuasion wheel minigame in Oblivion. hearing their sassy lines and faces change always made me laugh :)
And I still love watching people not understanding how it works.
Kynaz Fawkes And I love not understanding how it works and avoiding it altogether
I love just spamming "give gold" until their my best friend
Give money get friends
BarbaryBeast
I still need that gold
100% agree on the scale part skyrim seems tiny to oblivion, why do bandit camps have more people than some cities?
RC Jelly cause bandits are the true citizens of skyrim. Unarmed people are only the rebel invaders
Gianmarco Gramegna is it weird I kinda regret choosing stormcloak now?
@@thestranger4894 you SHOULD regret choosing the stromcloaks
Oblivion: Horse armor
Skyrim: No horse armor
The horse armor was useless anyway didnt even protect the horse
@@gptechnologiesmangalore6909 it was a joke, the only horse you really need is shadowmere and it's invincible. Horse armor pack was one of the first oblivion addons and is more of a meme now, The xbox reviews are just people making jokes about it
@@juanayon231 it's a good petty reason though
@@juanayon231 i know
Id pay 10 dollars for it
i like how in oblivion you could have a detect life helmet, it was cool to be able to always see people through walls without the need to cast a spell for it. i wish they had kept that enchantment.
The dark Brotherhood quest were waaay better in Oblivion imo.
It was darker and longer. And the ways to kill someone, especially on this "party quest in Skingrad".
I cheated and added like 100 poison apples throughout the house. It was glorious.
Party quest is definitely not linear and fun
@@podrumkaleto5042 yup guys, i totally wasn't there xD
I started Oblivion for the first time ever last year after playing Skyrim pretty much since release. I liked the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim so I decided to join it in Oblivion. I was surprised when I heard the orc talking about how he killed a Nord girl at her 5th or 6th birthday. I knew the Dark Brotherhood was bad but they were never shown as being just straight evil in Skyrim because a lot of their victims were wronged by whoever made the contract.
@@SkatePunkBanana I heard that line yesterday, I was shocked too.
Oblivion’s city design was imo better. Especially the main city in the shivering isles
speaking of design the wolf in skyrim looks pretty shit. its like taking a wolf, starving it, painting it dark grey and literaly throwing it into water and abandon it on a forest drenched in water. tthe wolf's design in oblivion is mountaiins better than skyrim's.
Never played that expansion but damn I remember being disappointed by the size of cities in skyrim. As someone who was amazed by the layout of imperial city when I played it when I was young:I was fully expecting way bigger(or at least the size of) that city. I had my hope's up for each new city I visited in skyrim: "Solitude is the capital of Skyrim, surely this must be a huge city!" Despite it being a cool design, underwhelming city size.
I remember when nazeem said "have you been to the cloud district?" And thinking w
"Wow I cant wait to go there, a whole unexplored part of whiterun!" And then found out I walked through the whole thing in about 6 seconds.
@@savethebees275 Solitude felt really empty and somber. Fitting for it's name. I agree though, rest of the cities should've gotten better treatment. Whiterun is like, not even a third of a city in Oblivion.
If you want big cities, play Daggerfall. You'll get lost in no time.
@@necrobynerton7384 Also the Nordic accents are complete bullshit, the imense dissapointment will never get beyond me.
The hand to hand skill is what I miss.
When you became a vampire, you got a bonus to this skill to simulate you having claws as a vampire...
You also got bonuses to enough other skills that you were able to make a custom vampire class...
If someone hit you with sword in real life, youre gonna need an ambulance.
While dialog and reputation were pretty clunky in Oblivion, I have to say, at least you felt like what you were doing mattered to people. They would smile when you greeted them, or not (depending), they changed their tone, their phrasing, even what they called you because of what you had done in the world, whether in the broad scale or on the personal scale. That...is an important part of feeling like what you're doing makes a difference, and it is a shame they didn't hook into that with Skyrim.
I agree completely. Oblivion and earlier games actually used mechanics to determine these things (such as numeric disposition, fame, bounty, NPC stats) whereas Skyrim used a much more linear procedural disposition system. NPCs felt inconsistent and only had a tiny handful of lines they'd ever say to you, most of which being completely unaffected by outside variables.
And hearing the npcs talk to each other while walking arround... Sometimes getting quests from it, sometimes hearing them talk about your deeds... Made it such a better system! In skyrim charavters talk to esch other only once and then its over... They just walk arround and do not make eye contact...
Even though Oblivion exchanges like that were often really goofy, it still made it feel more lively. I get that Skyrim is supposed to be more dour as a province, but you're absolutely right, gingercore. Dour does not equate with asocial, because neighbors are still neighbors.
dasjugsboi Give me one example of generic NPCs giving more lines in Oblivion than those in Skyrim. The disposition system was ditched because there wasn't a good use for it other than getting info from an NPC for another fetch quest.
gingercore69 That is because NPCs in Oblivion have such awkward conversations and it was immersion breaking. I feel like a lot of you are blinded by nostalgia.
"Hi have you heard about the ____?"
"Yes.... Good day."
I've just finished Oblivion 2 days ago and I can definitely say Skyrim is an upgrade though a bit too easy. Plus, haven't you seen those Oblivion NPC dialog memes floating around? I'm glad Bethesda got rid of it.
Someone doesn’t get to the Cloud District very often
Good avatar
Yeah
i take no joy in saying this but, the devs where clearly cutting out features that should have stayed in to make the game simpler and therefore more casual friendly, now i would just say, if you dont want to make spells for yourself, then just dont use that feature, or, include the ability to upload created spells online giving all players acces to any spells created by the comunity if they have the stats to use them... now im not a game dev, but if i came up with a solution to suit both casual and hard core players this fast... what the hell was their excuse, becuase ether they where careless, or they where lazy, and nether one is good... im afriad of what they may do to gut the already shallow gameplay of skyrim for the 6th game... they clearly have stopped careing with how they handled fallout 76.
Oh What are you saying of course they don't
*stabs multiple times with blade of woe*
I love Oblivion because of the dark brotherhood quest line. It was amazing then and still is the freedom and creativity used to accomplish the missions.
I really miss the lock picking in Oblivion.
it was waaayyy less luck based
Oblivion: uses actual timing and skill
Skyrim: one pixel off? Oh well you lost another pick
It's more realistic in skyrim
@@ericdunford2444 is it, now? I know very little about lockpicking but i know for a fact it's more similar to the one in oblivion, just that you can't actually see the pins
@@hugebuffman3619 yes it is
When counting “cities” oblivion also has many many towns, some with dozens of homes and a couple quests. That are unmarked on the map and beed to be “found”
"villages" is the correct term. Some of them were the same size of even cities in Skyrim.
“thank you” for telling me “ this”
When i played oblivion my character was a khajiit with 100 acrobats and would jump out of the city walls and float past the edge of the map and fall down to the bottom of the whole map
my favorite part of that game is feeling like u went from a weakling to a godlike vampire mage.
I never wasted the spring heel jack boots because I had level 80 in it so I got a bonus item
Immersion
@@Fenris2 damn I wish I did that
That's not possible there's collision at the end of the map even with no collision command u still couldn't do that. That part of the map technically doesn't exist unless u are in a city......
I remember thinking the dungeons in Skyrim were way more of a slog, especially the dwarfen ruins and draugr dungeons. God, some of them went on forever, and there was that much to loot. I spent more time deciding what to keep and what to leave.
my reason was the removal of the radiant ai. my favorite part of oblivion is the random awkward NPC dialog and you never know what to expect. i would even stop what i was doing if i heard conversation just to hear it out to see if it would be funny or not. thou in terms of character building i like morrowind the best because the entire time you are bassically an outsider who no one trusts and you have to earn the respect of everyone every step of the way and the final result of that at the end when you are finally recognized as the Neravarine was so satisfying.
In skyrim this happens in about 5 minutes
yesssss bring back stupid radiant ai (I'm not even sarcastic) .You hear the same conversation in skyrim over and over again while what you said was true. I would stop my journey when I would hear npcs talking and it was really interesting and sometimes funny to hear what they would have to say and it was always something new.
I really like the magic system in Oblivion personally. There’s just so much more you can do and so many more places you can go with it
And the fact its three times bigger than Oblivon's lol
I like being able to use magic regardless of whatever weapon I had equipped in oblivion unlike Skyrim
Yes. That was good.
Yes.
If they wanted that to change, then adding restrictions like, "oh you this spell required it to be channeled through a fire enchanted sword."
Or
"This specific spell can only be cast using a mace."
Which honestly wouldn't make sense for a regular mage it would be a cool option for a battle mage.
What about casting unique spells through mixing the use of shouts?
You know, learn a little bit under the greybeards and add this knowledge to the College and see those nerds light up at the possibility.
You could make a whole quest about it.
One thing I also noticed -- in Oblivion, on the PC, you attack IMMEDIATLY when you tell the game to attack, whereas on 2 different PCs, Skyrim waits about 1/4~1/2 a second before actually attacking. Now, interestingly, this isn't a problem on the PS4 version, but that was one big thing I vastly preferred in Oblivion over Skyrim: Oblivion just seemed more responsive to my inputs.
Dragon born: *Kills* *Chicken*
Guards: I am going to end this guy's entire career
The werewolves were cool in Skyrim but Oblivion had a unicorn 🦄
I haven’t played oblivion yet, but I think you’ve now provided me a reason to!
I killed the unicorn by letting umba at it after I provoked her
@OGC.Ender /noob Oblivion is better
Morrowind in the bloodmoon dlc had werewolves running around in solstheim i think but in skyrim u only see them in cages and that one guy for the hercine quest wat happened to the werewolves and u cant even become a werebear when u go to solstheim in the skyrim dragonborn dlc
I know
Skyrim fixed some stuff but lost some great stuff and oblivion did the same with morrowind they need to combine all the good aspects of all 3 games
Skybliviwind!
@@cholestroll8937 actually, yeah, that sounds better than mine...im changing my vote lol
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So help me God, if TES6 disappoints, I'm straight-up DONE with Bethesda's bullshit.
@@jacrispy3275 no you wont. Youll buy the same crap just like everyone else. Bethesda has been fucking consumers over since oblivion. Constant bullshit cash grab games, skyrim being re released 8 years in a row.. not letting dev's of new vegas create a new, actually good fallout. Etc. Etc. How could you be okay with that?
In oblivion having Vampirism you would die in the sun unless you fed, but the longer you didn’t feed the stronger you became… and you would also look more decayed which changed how people interacted with you.
God I loved this game, still the best open world fantasty RPG game I've ever played. So vast, interesting, depth, yet so simple. Graphics blew me away in 2006, far better than all other Elder Scrolls.
No matter how much I play oblivion I could hop right back on and have a blast
Faces in Oblivion may have been ugly but all the npcs were thicc 😤👌
Yeah but in real life there's a lot of ugly people
the ugly faces really aren't a big deal tbh you can just download oblivion character overhaul
Nothing intelligent has ever followed emojis
Jacob Simpson Well it's a good thing the emojis were at the end of the sentence
You fucking win
Also in skyrim no one cared if you were the DragonBorn,people treated you like trash.in oblivion if you were the champion or the hero of kvatch people honored you and treated you like gold,at least that's what I remembered
Nerf Hooligan, Honestly I feel like that’s the attitude almost every nord of Skyrim had.
Too bad if you liberated all the cities from oblivion gates in the optional quest, you will only be known as the hero of kvatch.
Also, check my screenshot below, they said bruma is going to be obliterated... Meanwhile in skingrad:
imgur.com/IeguElF
Not to mention how the dialogue wont even change if you become the leader of the companions, or become the archmage. Guards will still acknowledge you as the "new member of the companions"
Nords are kinda dicks and not easily impressed so maybe that is why.
Anonymous226 Well yeah. Lol I know that. Elves usually are dicks.
Question: did you personally count the buildings per city for Oblivion? That’s not petty, that’s powerful.
As someone who played Skyrim first then found oblivion I agree with all this. I was amazed how well oblivion held up. As someone who loves conjuration magic oblivion put Skyrim to shame, especially once you can make your own spells.
I prefer Oblivion's magic system solely for the fact that you can still cast spells while using a bow
LuckyZevanns 88 variety of gameplay was lost in skyrim. I made an account based around two-handed sword use and it felt like they had no place in the game. There isn't stun, every weapon in the game can just continuously power attack making it seem like they aren't even much better. You can't use magic at the same time as a two hander but you can duel weild staves in this game. It feels like they forgot about this class and added it solely because it existed in the prior games
I hated that you can't just raise a shield in Skyrim. You have to take out your sword and shield then block.
LuckyZevanns 88 heck yeah
They need more elaborate dark brotherhood quests like fr. They were so boring except for the last one. I miss the one in oblivion where you assassinated 4 people in a house while trying to to be figured out as a killer.
epwmolter *six
Bro, I had so much fun on that quest
Oblivion had a bunch of awesome quest, especially the Daedric quest where you'd get Daedric artifacts after you finished
But because Oblivion is a buggy piece of shit the quest can easily be broken. So long as you kill the target in one hit no one will figure out who did it, even if the person was kill in front of everyone else.
+Slender Man well that's a elder scrolls game dude it gives it a certain charm
+OmegaWafflesHax ok, no, something THAT fucking broken shouldn't get the "it adds to the charm" excuse. Getting shit whipped 100ft in the air by a giant? That's funny, and doesn't really break anything. Being able to cheese a quest without even trying? That's just stupid.
It's kind of funny that in the old games you could kill essential npc or get kicked out of a faction for breaking the rules. If you do get kicked out you have to do some of the most annoying quests just to get back in, meanwhile in skyrim if you kill or hurt someone in the dark brotherhood or mages college then just pay like 300 gold and you're back in, at least the skyrim thieves guild made you steal like 1000 gold's worth of items to get back in
That slaughterfish thing is not a "petty" reason. They should of gotten rid of that enemy. It legit feels like a QA failure.
Even nuking the water with a fireball doesn't even get it sometimes
The best thing about Oblivion is: my poor Windows 7 with 4GB RAM, 1.6Ghz and Intel Graphics can handle it
I feel that bro. One day we will have the experience we deserve with those games.
But my pc with 16 gigs of ram, a gtx 1060 3gb and a 8 core 4ghz processor can't because the amd fx series sucks
@@IndyMiraaga weird flex, but okay
The Royal Guard wzc
@@IndyMiraaga GTX 2080 Super, Ryzen 9 12 core 4.0 Ghz over clocked, 24 thread count, 32 GB 3200 ram, and 970 Evo SSD at 3 gbs read/ write
Patrick Steward said he saw me in his dreams. - Oblivion 10/10
so fun thought. there is a rumor that during development, Naseem was going to have his own house they cut it though and his key got left behind. he was also supposed to have an interlocking quest chain as well.. but yeah rumor has it was denied to us and was cut from the game
Never played Oblivion, but I can give you another reason. Receiving a letter from a friend after shouting...
IN SOVNGARDE and APOCRYPHA
I hated how skyrim's night Eye worked when compared to Oblivion's night Eye. I just liked the calm, mellowing blue shade your entire screen became, and it was sort of relaxing and made you feel like it was still dark even though you could see in the dark.
In skyrim, it was just a harsh, bright whitish-blue that lit up the screen like a flashlight to the face. I'd either just use a torch or turn my brightness all the way up to purposely avoid using Skyrim nighteye
But in Skyrim we finally hear about the high elves
HACC
BRRUR
HMPF *jumps while dying*
I dont care about the high elves.
The war was boring.
@@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger OK, but have you heard about the high elves?
I don't know the high elves, and I don't care to know the high elves.
Nobody cares about STUPID STUCK UP SNOBBY HIGH ELVES
I'm about to start Oblivion for the first time and I'm definitely going to get my acrobatics skill as high as possible!
I normally go Bruma to train acrobatics, and also restoration.
as a certified oblivion expert, I would recommend you get your luck skill as high as possible
it can get pretty broken. there were a set of boots that you could get and somehow equip them twice with a glitch and you could jump over the city walls
@@lawrencebashlor8811 Then I will equip them twice!
Im watching this while playing Skyrim now all I want to do is play Oblivion and fight in the arena thanks😭
Yep
Damn, that's true ! Same here
@@jackmarston8337 Actually true I would get bored sometimes playing Skyrim so Oblivion is always a delight to come back to.
In Skyrim
>kill someone in the forest with no witness
>still get a bounty
In Oblivion
>kill someone in the forest with no witness
>NPC suspects but won't arrest you
@@lightblueghost I swear even animals are witness...
Then pay with your blood!
Yeah you can give this an uno reverse card and it would make more sense.
Nagi Stratos your follower is the witness, dipshit. Lydia will help you slaughter an innocent village but won’t let you get away with killing chickens
It’s because animals count as witnesses in skyrim
Skyrim is weird because Blade, Blunt, and Axe are now one skill, but Pickpocket became a separate skill entirely from Sneak.
@Velociocraptor that's probably for the best giving the perk system my problem is the amount of spell effects missing like absorb or drain.
Magic in skyrim lookes cool but lacks flexibility.
@Velociocraptor
And WHERE IS MY LEVITATION SPELLS?? ;-;
@toaritok Thats very incorrect. The difference between using a sword, an axe or a mace is MUCH bigger than using it one or two handed. There are things like egde alignment, momentum, parrying and reach that each are different and must be accounted for. The only read difference between one and two handed is leveraging your second hand.
ΛutistiЄ you’re forgetting about the existence of buckets in Skyrim
@toaritok probanly not. If one trained the art of sword and became a master with it, he would not be as good with an axe because it requires only one hand. If you were skilled with a longsword it doesnt mean you are good with a bow because it is two handed :/
The acrobatics skill is so much fun, it's one of my favorite things in Oblivion
I like that I can name potions/poisons in Oblivion. I don't know why but when I play an assassin it brings me joy to brew a special poison and name it when killing my targets. Especially when I get to kill Valen Dreth.
also oblivion had seperate pants
TheSpliceer best point made so far
TheSpliceer Oh I fucking hate how Skyrim conjured them into one slot. Oblivion already annoyingly got rid of the layered armor system. Skyrim opts to make it worse instead of improving it.
All thats left is too now mesh the boots in as well. No more shall you be able to mismatch your armor for fashion.
Trevor Greenly lol
Spartan Q77 What is a "layered armour" system?
In oblivion u could actually connect to the npcs and it felt like they had emotions. That made the whole game better
I love people who claim to be realism junkies but then ask for passionate dialogue for characters. Yes, the farmers is eccentric to tell a random traveler about his potato crop.
This is why most of the meme videos are in Oblivion and lower, instead of in Skyim, it just doesnt feel the same there, the only funny part were the guards.
@@haliax8149 if you take the dialogue options the games just get simpler i feel like skyrim has the same mood writing as the cartoon avatar
I loved having to raise their disposition instead of saying, "I prefer Battle-Born" and then the guy says I have been a good friend to him when I literally just met him.
You can tell me a lot but oblivions npcs where everything esle than emotional :D
I'm a big Skyrim fan boy, but after giving oblivion a try with some mods to bring it a little closer to this century I'm actually having a blast.
There not being an arena is not petty cause I fully, FULLY expected there to be one and now that I'm hearing from you that one was cut... I'm more ticked off than I should be. Valid, point on that one.
The Arena was a great questline in Oblivion, but did you know there was going to be an Arena in every single city? Yes every city was going to have its own arena and its own quest. That would have been legendary.
+Armoured Productions ya I knew about that. Could have been pretty cool. And probably would have helped with the feeling of repetitiveness.
Armoured Productions I think that Kvatch has an Arena in the lore
Yea it does, it's constantly referenced with a line that goes something like this: "Did you know Kvatch was the only city in all of Cyrodill with it's own arena outside of the Imperial city?". I think it's said by the Kvatch survivors.
But the question is: is there an arena in each city in the lore? Because if there is not, there is no reason to do it
What do you mean with "There is no reason to do it" ? What is it "it"?
Also, no, there no arena in the other cities and the one in Kvatch has been destroyed by the Daedra.
Oh and on a different note, imagine how cool it would have been if when we arrive at Kvatch and there is a gladiator fighting daedra in that arena.
It is really petty, but I miss the journal entries your character used to write when they levelled up, or on different stages of a quest. It somehow increased the sense of adventure, and also helped me to remember wtf I was doing when I was in the middle of a quest and got distracted by 10 others. It was a more immersive and realistic way of tracking quest progress, and made the player character seem more real and relatable.
Imagine if you could create your own spell but you have to train to cast it, this is just an idea but in oblivion there are some targets where you can "train" firing spell at them and they are useless
You forget, In Oblivion you can use spell in The same time you have a weapon equip this is so much good.
People can be nice in Oblivion, and there's far less depressing scenery.
I know right. I've gotten so tired of the snow and grey stone that I can't replay it without a summer mod.
Well that's how the north looks sadly enough.
WarriorofLight i know right oblivion was actually beautiful skyrim is a depressing peice of crap the characters are as lively as the scenery
but here you could be talking about either morrowind or skyrim lol the former of which is the best in the series the latter of which is one of hte worst....
WarriorofLight that's the point dum dum it's the North. It's supposed to look depressing, if it was all sunshine and happiness!!! Then it would make no sense. Plus it wouldn't be lore friendly.
It's the government regulation. The Empire passed anti levitation lesigation.
Marlin Rando “Nigga what”‼️😂
Aggrobiscuit oh shit lml 😲
Cheap way to remove levitation
@@truepatrician4700 They will bring it back but levitation is a forgotten art.
You can murder every guard and townsfolk to your heart's content but you must restrain yourself from using levitation, even if your life depended on it. The infringement of that regulation would just be going too far.
Being able to cast spells while also holding a sword and shield in Oblivion just felt better in combat and also made more sense then having one hand designated as a magic hand or holding a shield
Also having to repair equipment like in Morrowind and Oblivion would have made the blacksmith skill tree much more useful
And improving the weapon/armor could have not only increased the damage/armor rating but also made the weapon/armor much more durable in combat
The Arena announcer was one of my favorite parts of the battles!
obviously the biggest reason why oblivion is better is because of the memes
2vain4u I would digress
i agree wholeheartedly
skooma
That's definitely part of it
*_S T O P Y O U V E V I O L A T E D T H E L A W_*
i cant stand the college questline in skyrim. It barely relies on magic. and the only magic you have to use is the spell to get in and basic flames or frost spells. Everything else just relies on combat. It was also too short and too easy. The mages guild questline was long and hard and it made you work your eay through it using magic and actually becoming a mage
Kimmie Bennett you have to use exactly 3 spells: an interchangeable on the seal, a ward and one on the thing in saarthal
I loved the Mages Guild in bother Morrowind and Oblivion. Agreed that it was quite challenging and long ( likes the noble Dunmer houses too, those were fun...Crassius Curio FTW)
I mean it kinda makes sense only because it's Skyrim and they have to hit kinda low with everyone hating magic there and the fact that they're in a rough spot as well, but really it should have been more rough to be able to climb the ranks so easily.
Are you kidding me? Everybody is always complaining about "go here do this" quests, when that was the entirety of the mages guild.
how to enter winterhold university
faralda: let me see you use fireball
*fireball*
you got talent!!!
Skyrim dungeons had more character and story and stuff that made each one have a unique background for the most part. I loved that. Still though, the ones in Oblivon were outright better even if they were copy pasted. The design, enemies, and traps were all much better.
I agree on the combat point, oblivion block was amazing and npcs felt smarter. After playing the arena pit fights i fell in love with it
Whenever I hear the word "petty", I keep thinking about petty soul gems.
Good to know I'm not alone lol.
Every time I see a petty soul gem I imagine it making some petty insult.
qwertyuiopzxcfgh Meh, that doesn't even make sense
Jamal Powell Well, I'm not a native speaker, so before I played Elder Scrolls, the only way I had heard of the word petty being used was for a "petty person" or a "petty insult".
Petty soul gem. Won't store souls because you didn't ask how it's day was
Skyrim did not *fix* the attribute system, it removed it.
Skyrim also did not improve the reputation system, it removed it.
@Cannot censor Lucifer That is the dumbest argument for anything I have ever seen. If it was trash, why did they have it in the first place? Why didn't they just "get rid of it" in development?
@Cannot censor Lucifer So it was a stupid idea to make the system, but it wasn't a stupid idea to get rid of it? Dude, the only logic you are using right now is "I think it's bad so obviously it's bad."
@Cannot censor Lucifer You clearly know nothing about couriers, also information disseminated before the internet came along, how do you think ideas and news spread back in the medieval era?
@Cannot censor Lucifer Don't care, this is a fantasy setting anywasy so it actually doesn't matter. You join a guild a make a name for yourself, that is reputation and it's a great idea.
PERKS!
I really missed having to work within the bounds of the earlier games' class systems. Being able to do just about anything I wanted in Skyrim was very cool at first but now I find myself basically classing out my characters just to have some sense of real challenge to building a character.
The quests were better, the enemys had more variety, the npcs felt more real, the world felt much better to explore and there were more options to just enjoy.
Wish they would remaster Oblivion while we're waiting on TES6.
Skyblivion my friend
Look up Skyblivion. It's a huge developing mod that aims to do just that!
nah im thinking morrowind
The Film Freaks Skywind then...
Same
The real reason Oblivion is a better fantasy than Skyrim: BETTER QUESTS.
Have you tried Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild? They blow Skyrim out of the water. The atmosphere and the stories are so much darker and deeper.
It's almost like Bethesda watered them down in Skyrim to appeal to young ages. Maximum profit.
Don't forget the Mage's Guild questline
Skyrims dark brotherhood questline is pretty good tho
Nowhere as good as Oblivion's though
“Better quests”, not really, playing Oblivion was like having a fever dream, it was too hilarious to be taken seriously, the whole game is a massive disaster
ZiNG Whats wrong about wanting maximum profit?
Skyrim is a masterpeace, still played by thousands every day, more than 7 years after release.
Even if its "watered down" for "bäääd bäääd maximum profit" its nothing to complain about.
My biggest complaint about skyrim was that morthal, winterhold, dawnstar, and falfreath are supposed to be big cities according to the lore... not villages. That’s why I downloaded a mod to fix it asap
I like the more detail work of skyrim. The flame spell I really like in skyrim. I really miss the touch spells that were in Oblivion though. I also liked how Oblivion offered more than two enchantment options to weapons or armor. I like the way Skyrim did their marksmanship over Oblivion. As for armors, some of the Oblivion armor looks better than Skyrim. For example, the glass armor in Oblivion to me looks better than Skyrim, but definitely Skyrim's Daedric armor over Oblivion. I do miss being able to conjure different types of Daedra like in Oblivion. Spider Daedra was the coolest.