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  • Опубликовано: 14 ноя 2024

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  • @blueelephant4971
    @blueelephant4971 11 месяцев назад +96

    I played in First Saturday IM tournaments in 2011 for 3 months and can tell you that in my experience the tournaments were totally on the level. I got to know the organizer Laszlo Nagy and saw that he was a very professional and friendly person who took great pride in his tournaments. Although I was playing in the IM norm tournaments I had no interest in any IM norms-I just wanted to get my Fide Master title as I was an older player who was not strong enough to have a realistic shot at making IM and getting my Fide master title was my last goal in chess.
    I played 3 tournaments and never experienced anything shady. In the last round of my 3rd tournament one of my opponents approached me and said he had a family member in the hospital and could we just play a quick draw. Neither of us was in contention for any norm opportunities (my opponent was rated around 2250 if I remember and I was a bit over 2300). I agreed and we just played 15-20 theory moves and shook hands. When Laszlo saw the game he was annoyed and said that he doesn't like games like that in his tournament as they are bad for his tournament's reputation. I didn't know that what I was doing would bother him and I just agreed because I would have felt like a jerk forcing my opponent to play when he was telling me that he wanted to be with a hospitalized family member.

    • @metro6468
      @metro6468 5 месяцев назад +2

      Some of them are legit, but some are not, which are then abused over and over again. Look at 1000GM for example

    • @oliverparrish5470
      @oliverparrish5470 5 месяцев назад +3

      This is why I don't necessarily have a issue with this especially in the last round if the players want to they can just play a Berlin and that is a draw offer in and of itself that ends in that many moves, but also I think a game or two like this in the last round for example is acceptable but if it's every round it becomes a problem

  • @thomasli6918
    @thomasli6918 10 месяцев назад +260

    0:43 thanks for giving a shoutout for the renowned "GM" Levy roseman!

    • @TheCheckmateCorner
      @TheCheckmateCorner  10 месяцев назад +55

      🐐grandmaster

    • @FlameingSlayer
      @FlameingSlayer 6 месяцев назад +26

      @@TheCheckmateCorner In our hearts, he's a champion 😭

    • @ChrisHanks_ColonelOfTruth
      @ChrisHanks_ColonelOfTruth 5 месяцев назад +1

      🤣🤣🤣 I watched Levy's game against "grandmaster" Sosa. Very suspicious. 🤣

    • @southerncyan4098
      @southerncyan4098 5 месяцев назад

    • @shr-p6c
      @shr-p6c 4 месяца назад +7

      General Manager Levy Rozman

  • @thenerdgamer5778
    @thenerdgamer5778 5 месяцев назад +160

    0:43 did you just premove levy's grandmaster title? 👀

  • @erikskov8759
    @erikskov8759 11 месяцев назад +68

    I remember a certain Fischer back in the 60's talking about similar things happen, but he's been called a lunatic while in fact he could have been right at the time.

    • @tonyennis1787
      @tonyennis1787 11 месяцев назад +27

      He may have been a lunatic but he was not wrong. Chess back then was soaked in Soviet corruption.

    • @Extirpo
      @Extirpo 5 месяцев назад +19

      Fischer (and Larsen) talked about fixed results between the Soviet players - usually draws as to spare energy. They did not talk about manipulated norms.

    • @shubomb
      @shubomb 5 месяцев назад +13

      I'm pretty sure Fischer is called a lunatic for a whole lot of other reasons.

    • @jay-5061
      @jay-5061 5 месяцев назад

      He was called a crazy cos he was anti semitic, misogynistic and mentally brokwn

    • @PaCo-jd3sl
      @PaCo-jd3sl 5 месяцев назад +4

      Fischer was brilliant. Unfortunately too ahead of time

  • @simonkotchou9644
    @simonkotchou9644 5 месяцев назад +47

    Not the most popular chess player nowadays, but Karjakin was inches away from world classical champion over the greatest player ever. He was one of those tilt proof players, shown in his 3 consecutive candidates, nearly winning all 3. Id say Carlsen's main rival in 2010s even though others would say Fabi or Anand.

    • @seya_2
      @seya_2 4 месяца назад +4

      Fabi was impressive.

    • @chesscomsupport8689
      @chesscomsupport8689 Месяц назад +1

      @@seya_2 Imo Fabi is the clear #2 player of the Carlsen era, but Karjakin is definitely up there. He would be in contention for the greatest Candidates Tournament player of all time if not for Nepo.

  • @likedebia4693
    @likedebia4693 5 месяцев назад +156

    0:44 Levi a GM? Press X to doubt

    • @agent0422
      @agent0422 5 месяцев назад +7

      That's what you get when every youtuber has an opinion on shit they know nothing about

    • @thatdude3977
      @thatdude3977 4 месяца назад +1

      Gotham paid for his title!! With his youtube money 😮 look it up!! Talk about ironic

    • @dartagnan1954
      @dartagnan1954 4 месяца назад

      Get out of here

    • @malyanto
      @malyanto 3 месяца назад

      A

  • @swim.n
    @swim.n 11 месяцев назад +64

    gothamchess is GM?? i think thats a mistake

  • @chessentials4261
    @chessentials4261 10 месяцев назад +87

    Hey
    Thanks for making this video and referencing my article. Would have appreciated if you quoted it as a source below the video description, tho? Think it is a good practice for any sources used in any case.

    • @bpro5848
      @bpro5848 5 месяцев назад +10

      Fr this RUclipsr is unprofessional. He quoted levy as a GM when he's not

    • @alexnope2223
      @alexnope2223 3 месяца назад +8

      Veryy passive-aggressive. Either thank him or demand correction.

    • @account-yi2cn
      @account-yi2cn Месяц назад

      weirdo

    • @drh255
      @drh255 Месяц назад

      @@chessentials4261 he also stole music from Summoning Salt (does video game videos).

  • @tonyennis1787
    @tonyennis1787 11 месяцев назад +22

    Cheating has been going on for a long time. The Soviets were notorious for gaining quick draws against one another to conserve their energy for non-Soviet GMs. And look at the corruptions of Campomanes and his Soviet handlers, and the Karpov v Korchnoi match which was jam-packed with Soviet shenanigans.

    • @nikto81
      @nikto81 5 месяцев назад

      Do we have a jealous yankee here?😂

    • @MorningNapalm
      @MorningNapalm 5 месяцев назад +3

      There are many levels of favouring. Indian top players get an insane amount of money compared to other nations, thus giving them an advantage, since they can focus more on the games, and less on financial stability.

    • @kennethkilian1971
      @kennethkilian1971 5 месяцев назад +8

      ​@@MorningNapalm but there's nothing wrong in that. Indian sports has a history of suffering due to lack of funds. Far back in the 60s, the indian football team was the only one in Asia to qualify outright for the FIFA world championships, but they squandered the opportunity because the govt failed to generate enough funds for their travel abroad. This moment is regarded as the death of Indian football, as then cricket would become more popular, and football takes backstage. If other countries wanted, they could supply their chess players with funds as well. There is also not a lot of sports india does excellent in, internationally, except cricket, chess, some tennis, complex bow archery, javelin throw and a few others

    • @MorningNapalm
      @MorningNapalm 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@kennethkilian1971 It isn't against the current rules, but it results in proportionally more Indian players, for what it is worth. I wish the financial support of chess players would be regulated, to level the playing field.

    • @geoffreygeorge999
      @geoffreygeorge999 5 месяцев назад +7

      @@MorningNapalm not at all. Why should it be regulated. If a country doesnt want to support its players, thats the countries problem. Why should other countries that are willing to fund suffer?

  • @raylopez99
    @raylopez99 5 месяцев назад +20

    Make no mistake, GM Sergey Karjakin may have gotten his initial title with slightly shady doings, if you believe in the rumors, and you probably don't agree with his pro-Putin stance, but he's a legitimate super GM.

    • @b005t3r
      @b005t3r 3 месяца назад +4

      Nobody's questioning his skill in the video, though, just the way he's gotten the title.

    • @YouTubeMushyPeas
      @YouTubeMushyPeas 3 месяца назад

      What and you are pro putin ?

  • @AJAYJAIN6465
    @AJAYJAIN6465 10 месяцев назад +3

    Calmed opponent got angry and this is what he wanted

  • @klimtkiller
    @klimtkiller 4 месяца назад +2

    2:12 that's a familiar face..back from when i was at a first saturday tournament in budapest over 6 years ago

  • @JosephTangalin-zh2yr
    @JosephTangalin-zh2yr 6 месяцев назад +7

    Attempting to dim other's light doesn't make yours any brighter.

  • @ivanvitez2128
    @ivanvitez2128 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great content! High quality.

  • @MemoriesDestroyUs
    @MemoriesDestroyUs 6 месяцев назад +252

    Wait why is there a women’s chess league, that makes no sense

    • @Juiceloveball
      @Juiceloveball 6 месяцев назад

      Cause men are still afraid of being shown up by women

    • @doteleven5890
      @doteleven5890 5 месяцев назад +33

      Bobby Fischer isnt dead!!1!!1!1!1 proof

    • @1001011011010
      @1001011011010 5 месяцев назад

      Not many women were playing chess so they have women only tournaments and stuff to attract more female players.

    • @JannesDragon
      @JannesDragon 5 месяцев назад +145

      There are women titles, so it's easier for women to gain them and compete in rated tournaments - which are those women tournaments.
      A big misunderstanding that many people have here is, that woman are not allowed to compete with men. That is not true. If a woman gains the norms and elo, they can gain the same titles as everyone else & compete in all the tournaments. The woman titles and tournaments was a way by FIDE to integrate woman more/makes it easier for them to compete in "higher level" tournaments.

    • @wilsonkurien369
      @wilsonkurien369 5 месяцев назад +52

      It's because we don't want to see women crying

  • @aunggabe
    @aunggabe Месяц назад +1

    Corruption is every where; football, track and field, boxing,tennis and so forth. Sports,betting ,politics and money sadly live together.

  • @RangerKs0adandchess
    @RangerKs0adandchess 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great coverage!

  • @gayatrins7818
    @gayatrins7818 11 месяцев назад +12

    This is really a serious issue.. needs more publicity..I know from India, lot of people go to Europe trip for achieving norms and comes back as IM s..

    • @waltlock8805
      @waltlock8805 Месяц назад

      That's not cheating, it's just being smart. Becoming an IM or GM in Russia is absolutely brutal.

    • @gayatrins7818
      @gayatrins7818 Месяц назад

      ​​@@waltlock8805 I'm not saying it as cheating. But if match fixing occurs in these tournaments for making it easier for them to achieve norms, it is a serious issue.

  • @vayerie
    @vayerie 4 месяца назад +2

    I think you brought up many good points and speculations in this video, however most of the sources was from Reddit which questions the legitimacy and validity of your claim.

  • @ChrisHanks_ColonelOfTruth
    @ChrisHanks_ColonelOfTruth 5 месяцев назад +1

    Really nice analysis! Keep it coming.

  • @OvercookedOctopusFeet
    @OvercookedOctopusFeet 4 месяца назад +2

    0:42. let me also add that your editor seems confused about exactly what Levy can or cannot do. 🤷

  • @agent0422
    @agent0422 5 месяцев назад +2

    So you're just reading the Chessentials article basically? Real original

  • @nicbentulan
    @nicbentulan 10 месяцев назад +2

    What do you think of the im norm thing recently that chris bird shared?

    • @hylen26
      @hylen26 5 месяцев назад +2

      Link?

  • @YesPlatinum
    @YesPlatinum 5 месяцев назад +4

    0.32 Correction: It's "Candidate master" not "Candidates master"

    • @dannygjk
      @dannygjk 5 месяцев назад

      not only that but a master is not a title unless it is FIDE master.

    • @YesPlatinum
      @YesPlatinum 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@dannygjk Yes it is? I think you may be refering to the rule in norm tournaments that require a specific amount of titled players, with candidate master not being counted

    • @dannygjk
      @dannygjk 5 месяцев назад

      @@YesPlatinum The lowest titled player is FIDE master. Maybe you are thinking of national master example USCF national master but they are not titled players.

    • @YesPlatinum
      @YesPlatinum 5 месяцев назад

      @@dannygjk Candidate Master is a FIDE title.

    • @phw951
      @phw951 5 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@dannygjk Candidate master is a FIDE title though. It's more recognized than National Master which is delivered by a federation

  • @wesley_snipes
    @wesley_snipes 4 месяца назад

    This is like karate/jiu jitsu handing out black belts to people without having to participate in any real sparring

  • @albertcorona6976
    @albertcorona6976 5 месяцев назад

    Summoning salt inspired a fire chess video? Love it

  • @markjuhasz2803
    @markjuhasz2803 Месяц назад

    I do NOT consider pre-arranged draws as cheating or as problem.
    Paying for whatever results is cheating of course.

  • @ChristopherBalbuena
    @ChristopherBalbuena 5 месяцев назад +1

    Levy is still IM as of the moment (not GM as indicated in the video)

  • @joergsonnenberger6836
    @joergsonnenberger6836 Месяц назад

    Match fixing sadly is not considered cheating by many players and even trainers. The barrier of proof required from arbiters is insane. This doesn't help our sport at all.

  • @1001011011010
    @1001011011010 5 месяцев назад +1

    I don't know about some of these stories...an anonymous reddit user? The supposed words of someone who had already died? And of course, short draws do exist.

  • @golendorfjules1838
    @golendorfjules1838 5 месяцев назад +3

    44 seconds in and you say that levy rozman is a GM, which is not a true, and that makes your video loses any credibility it may have, i'm not even watching it because it's not a fluke, it shows you've no idea what you're talking about.

  • @VOID-eg2uh
    @VOID-eg2uh 6 месяцев назад +2

    What is the background music playing 3:58?

    • @gintuner4371
      @gintuner4371 5 месяцев назад

      Thats what im trying to figure out as well. It plays in the intro too.

  • @pineapplesareyummy6352
    @pineapplesareyummy6352 5 месяцев назад +1

    What is a "norm factory"? Is this an industrial building where instead of churning out everyday consumer products, they churn out GMs?

  • @jasonparker6138
    @jasonparker6138 5 месяцев назад +1

    2:14. Where do you get those chessmen? They look awesome.

    • @jasonparker6138
      @jasonparker6138 Месяц назад

      UPDATE: After looking around, several online chess stores have a reproduction of this piece design listed as "Romanian Hungarian Set". I bought the ones from ChessNBoards and I love them. 3.8 inch king. Nice weight and finish.

  • @MrPujolchesscoach
    @MrPujolchesscoach 11 месяцев назад +17

    This is an example of Kramnikism (or Magnusism?) - a highly speculative and almost malicious video, based on hearsay, bad interpretations, and misinformation.
    For starters, agreeing to draws beforehand is not illegal nor shady; they also don’t imply that something is to be gained from making those draws. For a reason, they are called "grandmaster draws", and although not illegal per se, they are not very welcomed in elite tournaments because they are public events, and spectators pay to watch the fight. This led to the introduction of stipulations like the "Sofia Rules" - where draws are not allowed in less than 30 moves. However, in tournaments not played for the public, such as those for qualifying purposes, rating gains, or title pursuits, making quick draws with jaded old grandmasters becomes a strategy - they are there for the payment, so a draw means a 20-minute workday for them, but they can pounce if you want to battle.
    Second, First Saturdays truly is a point of pilgrimage for newly made grandmasters. Like everything, some titles may have been "intervened", not because the Organizer fixes it, but perhaps due to low-effort players who want to gain a title as if paying for an online course certificate, analyzing their games with engines on. Cheating, if done well, will always exist, and little can be done about it. That doesn’t mean that everyone cheats.
    Also, you pointing out the Hungarian Grandmasters playing the same tournament? They are locals -and it's their dream job! It's like going to work at the Starbucks in the corner, but with your brain.
    To add to the previous point, the best player ever known to have gotten Grandmaster norms at the First Saturdays tournaments is none other than Fabiano Caruana. I bet you can't accuse him of cheating. Look how it turned out. Also, everyone worth their salt in chess knows that the kid Mishra is a monster, and this is not a line that will be written only once. Just take a look at his games, without engines first. Follow his example.
    Karjakin: I have no idea about Karjakin, but it's difficult to argue with the results. However, chess cheating in Russia, or better said, collusion in Russia, is a documented issue that dates from the very first international tournament where Botvinnik got the title. It was done to advance one of their own, only among themselves. Still shady, so who knows.
    Nemsko: You forgot to mention that her title is WGM (Woman Grandmaster), which is a lower title requiring only a 2300 rating. For the same reason, that could be why the games have a low move count issue.
    Norms: Explained poorly. You forgot to mention that the minimum rating required by FIDE for GM norms is 2380, so it’s not a crime to have a 2390 average in a tournament, as it's designed this way for organizers. Still, the player has to prove their worth by getting a rating over 2500. It’s not a cheating issue; it's a rule issue. Do they have to raise it? I don’t know. Perhaps it's better to create another title, like a SGM. A Grandmaster title now doesn’t mean much in a world of 2600s and 2700s. And as per your examples, where you get a livelihood commenting on games... This guy Levy is not a GM.
    Lastly, the use of "some say" in your narrative is the laziest way to accuse somebody of something. Haven’t you learned anything from the Hans Niemann affair? Those accusations with specific names and without definitive proof that would not hold in court are ripe for a juicy lawsuit. It’s actually good that this video has little to no views. I would sue you just for the clickbait: Came for the clickbait, stayed for the rage.
    PS: Still waiting for you to mention the name of the world champion who cheated his title.

    • @thomasli6918
      @thomasli6918 10 месяцев назад

      who does bro think he is and why tf r u inventing words lol

    • @fredhall5038
      @fredhall5038 10 месяцев назад

      The solution to draws is simple. Every draw is counted as a loss! A lost for both players of course. Win or go home.

    • @fredhall5038
      @fredhall5038 10 месяцев назад

      I am only a recreational player, usually and almost exclusively against the computer games such as Sparkschess. I do doubt their ratings but who am I. For example they rate Boris at 1800 but I must be 100 because I have never beat him. Hmmm….thus I am suspicious of all ratings based games.

    • @fredhall5038
      @fredhall5038 10 месяцев назад

      Agreeing to a draw before you even play might not be cheating in your world, but I suggest that these draws undermine the spirit of competition. This diminishes the reputation of both opponents and is why I a sport such as baseball or hockey we have extra innings or overtime in the playoffs. Rigged draws is unacceptable. An honorable opponent would walk away. Chess must be an example of intellectual integrity.

  • @hamzehhanbali6660
    @hamzehhanbali6660 5 месяцев назад +1

    The music is way louder than your voice we could barely hear you

  • @FitzyyLives
    @FitzyyLives 4 месяца назад

    Lol Levy isn't a GM, but he's working in it

  • @Finanzfuechsle
    @Finanzfuechsle 5 месяцев назад +1

    Take his GM title, but he will easily destroy 99.999999% of all players 😂

  • @roharbaconmoo
    @roharbaconmoo 3 месяца назад +1

    Why do you feel the need for loud tweet noises?

  • @Hack3r91
    @Hack3r91 Месяц назад

    Elo boosting in chess is even more pathetic than in CS and Dota...

  • @williamweekhai3252
    @williamweekhai3252 5 месяцев назад

    A suggestion from me, make a video about FIDE Online Arena.

  • @domchappell4775
    @domchappell4775 5 месяцев назад

    0:45, Levy made it to GM!!

  • @elvenbread191
    @elvenbread191 4 месяца назад

    getting youngest gm title doesnt guarantee sponsorship. i know abhi mishra and his dad a bit, allegedly corporate sponsors in US were not interested. that being said would be surprised if aid was zero as travel coaching expenses a few hundred K$ per year

  • @drh255
    @drh255 3 месяца назад +1

    You totally stole the music from Summoning Salt's videos. Not cool.

  • @Zyrexia
    @Zyrexia 2 месяца назад

    World champion who paid for his title seems kinda silly ngl, you are good enough to win world championships but not GM normal tournaments

  • @wiggininin
    @wiggininin 4 месяца назад

    Waaaait... this isn't Summoning Salt!

  • @classical381
    @classical381 5 месяцев назад

    ny brother why is the music so loud! otherwise great video 👍

  • @ed54321
    @ed54321 17 дней назад

    0:43 Gotham is not a GM he’s IM

  • @puffle9125
    @puffle9125 5 месяцев назад

    POV u realized you’re a future GM (your horrible at chess and it’s not happening)

  • @dannygjk
    @dannygjk 5 месяцев назад +2

    Dude short draws were made illegal before God was born - do better.

  • @ogregolabo
    @ogregolabo 10 месяцев назад +9

    Do you seriously imply that Karjakin doesn’t deserve its rank among best players in the world!?

  • @S3kkl377
    @S3kkl377 5 месяцев назад

    Why the need for background music????

  • @hmmer3471
    @hmmer3471 5 месяцев назад

    Its not same for Women, they can be GM or they can be WGM

  • @vicentevazquez3917
    @vicentevazquez3917 5 месяцев назад

    So I'm not an amateur chess player, I'm just poor.

  • @dannygjk
    @dannygjk 5 месяцев назад

    In that email he said match fixing but he must have meant game fixing.

    • @MorningNapalm
      @MorningNapalm 5 месяцев назад

      Match is an ambiguous word, and can mean game too.

    • @dannygjk
      @dannygjk 5 месяцев назад

      @@MorningNapalm not in the normal usage of game vs match. Generically yes of course everything is a match but then why even use the word match even if two people play each other 12 times for a prize?

    • @MorningNapalm
      @MorningNapalm 5 месяцев назад

      @@dannygjk I am simply stating fact, not logic. Match can mean a game, or a series of games.

  • @motherisape
    @motherisape 5 месяцев назад

    Sahil Tocco who was in chess competition was scammed he also made vidoe on it on channel chess assist.

  • @b-lab9353
    @b-lab9353 5 месяцев назад

    Karjakin is probably better than 99.99%

  • @L07star
    @L07star 3 месяца назад

    Chess should be one of those things that has no division between Male or Female.
    Its a contest of intelligence and wits not speed or strength

    • @animefan7424
      @animefan7424 Месяц назад

      Women in chess often don’t feel safe due to the men being super creepy and sexist and even if they report it, if it’s a male titled player it’ll be swept under the rug immediately without investigating

  • @featureboxx
    @featureboxx 5 месяцев назад

    could titles be granted based upon performance against an engine?

  • @cougar2013
    @cougar2013 5 месяцев назад

    Awesome video!!

  • @hmmer3471
    @hmmer3471 5 месяцев назад

    They should come to India, USA to get GM, just like how Indians travel to Europe

  • @someoneelse293
    @someoneelse293 5 месяцев назад

    Great video.. stop the constant back ground beat tho my brother

  • @Integral77777
    @Integral77777 5 месяцев назад

    When you watch things from away, watch news etc one think everthing goes okay in ethical ways but truth is different, trash inside...

  • @user-th4t_m3m3_guy04
    @user-th4t_m3m3_guy04 2 месяца назад

    Gotham is NOT a chess gm🙏😭

  • @tsukuyom1
    @tsukuyom1 5 месяцев назад

    What's the music from 0:01?

    • @DubYuhGChoppa
      @DubYuhGChoppa 4 месяца назад

      It's music that Summoning Salt uses for his videos but I can't think of the name

    • @ouroboros7209
      @ouroboros7209 3 месяца назад

      “We’re finally landing” is the name

    • @tsukuyom1
      @tsukuyom1 3 месяца назад

      @@ouroboros7209 thank you

  • @mettataurr
    @mettataurr 5 месяцев назад

    wtf. summoning salt music. lmao

  • @Mattycp007
    @Mattycp007 6 месяцев назад

    Yeah well, some guy needed 1 more win, so he cheated. Years went by, nobody cares.

  • @charlessmith3940
    @charlessmith3940 3 месяца назад

    Lol thats basically the old soviet union for you. In a bubble. You want to win you got to pay. If you dont pay, they will give you a headache.

  • @khairulhelmi4595
    @khairulhelmi4595 6 месяцев назад +1

    cough nemko cough

  • @suntaran
    @suntaran Месяц назад

    0:43 Levy's not grandmaster, lolwat

  • @arizvisa
    @arizvisa 5 месяцев назад

    hello you legends...

  • @jaybingham3711
    @jaybingham3711 5 месяцев назад

    All kinds of cheating going on.

  • @Sarabheswaran7010
    @Sarabheswaran7010 Месяц назад

    Subscribed

  • @curtisbrown547
    @curtisbrown547 5 месяцев назад

    Corruption in eastern europe?? Say it aint so!

  • @Mickey-wh4di
    @Mickey-wh4di 4 месяца назад

    I personally think, that norm factories are a good thing for the sport. A GM title is super hard to get either way, and doesnt offer many benefits despite being flown in and paid for closed tournaments . For some GMs who got their title legitimate, its the only way to support themselves as coaching chess does often not pay nearly enough. If someone wants to pay hundreds of thousands to get a GM title but cant stay above 2400 elo points consistently in real games, let them. Most people that play chess, if they see a gm who peaked at 2500 once when they got the title and then straight went back to 2100 know whats up anyways

  • @WintermintP
    @WintermintP 5 месяцев назад

    I feel both sides to this. Getting a grandmaster title is already way too rigged and difficult as is, the fact that there are more people with Doctoral degrees than grandmasters says it all. If anything it should be made a little easier for people to get titles and norms. I think the better way to handle this is to make sure that the round robin norm tournaments happen in an environment where everyone can see, not making it so that the norms have to be done on a swiss. I personally hate a lot of aspects in the swiss system and would much prefer sectioned round robins and winners advancing to the next round robin in a pool of the same number of players and so on. I personally prefer the Round Robin format because all pairings are predetermined beforehand and everything is on a set schedule and the next pairings don't have to be determined each and every time.

    • @geoffreygeorge999
      @geoffreygeorge999 5 месяцев назад

      gm norms should be harder. Its not a free handout but claim to mastery of the game

    • @WintermintP
      @WintermintP 5 месяцев назад

      @@geoffreygeorge999 🙄🙄🙄🙄

  • @WithmeVerissimusWhostoned
    @WithmeVerissimusWhostoned 3 месяца назад

    Too much ado about nothing, play the game for the love of the game, the noise around it don't matter.

  • @nicbentulan
    @nicbentulan 10 месяцев назад +4

    2nd: 10:55 What's your opinion of Armageddon w/ auction, even in classical?
    ---
    Well Bobby Fischer was preaching about pre-arrangement but I don't think increments & 9LX are enough to solve this.
    I think we have to look to xiangqi where their armageddon has auction and was invented by a player named Ronghua Hu known as - surprise surprise - the Bobby Fischer of Xiangqi!
    So I think bobby would like Armageddon (w/ auction) w/c makes every game fair & decisive.
    - Plus in particular, bids for black in 9LX go like 12min/15min while in chess they're like 9min/15min since 9LX doesn't have as many draws or as much white advantage (except in computers).
    ---
    Armageddon w/ auction makes every game fair & decisive.
    I believe this'd mean
    - A - no more draws but in a good way not in a no stalemate way. And a fortiori no pre-arranged draws
    - B - no more rapid tiebreaks. You can play chess w/o Armageddon and then settle classical matches w/ classical tiebreaks
    - C - Can have best-of-1 knockouts
    - D - All single round robins & single swiss are fair.
    - E - There's no more issue of drawing a best-of-4 by compensating for a white loss with a white win & 2 black draws like in 2016 & 2023 classical wcc's where Sergey & Nepo had more black wins than Magnus & Liren.
    I notice these 3 improvements of Bobby
    - 9LX
    - Increment
    - Armageddon (w/ auction)
    Are used more in rapid than classical but they should be used more in classical!

    • @Gustavo-xe4op
      @Gustavo-xe4op 5 месяцев назад +1

      u know most of games when a 2500-2600 players play against eachother end in a draw and most of them arent even pre arranged draws so u want to grab an equal game and force a player to win it? this obviouly would increase the number of wins with black not because of good play but because white will eventually need to go wild as a draw is the same as a loss.
      Plus, lots of players whether amateur or pros have a solid playstyle which would suck as white in ur format

    • @GeorgeAlexopoulos-o7w
      @GeorgeAlexopoulos-o7w 5 месяцев назад +1

      You are talking CRAP! Your suggestions are a JOKE and an INSULT to CHESS TRADITION and HISTORY!!

    • @nicbentulan
      @nicbentulan 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@GeorgeAlexopoulos-o7w why do you hate ronghua hu?

    • @nicbentulan
      @nicbentulan 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Gustavo-xe4op thanks for sharing.
      1- if they have solid playstyle that would suck as white, then they shouldn't have a problem bidding much lower for black then?
      2- is classical 9LX armageddon w/ auction better than classical chess armageddon w/ auction?
      i figure 9LX has little theory, white advantage & draws so they might bid 60min vs 45min instead of 60min vs maybe 15min

  • @king-of-all-curses
    @king-of-all-curses Месяц назад

    45 he is IM

  • @gauravjha8938
    @gauravjha8938 Месяц назад

    Interesting…

  • @areebabid5432
    @areebabid5432 2 месяца назад

    Your shot was easy 😂

  • @toppace
    @toppace 5 месяцев назад +1

    Levy will never be GM. Clownchannel!!