Congrats to the graphic designer who changed the interface for problem solving in android platform. It is clear that he does not use the app. You have to be a bunch of morons to do such an update. FU all
@@tomyman opposite, his accusations were based on fact that cheaters don't perform OTB as strong as online because it's harder to cheat OTB. Why are you lying?
yeah its like we dont understand anything but know the gravity of the situation by the tone of their voice.............and the same goes to Arabic commentary
One of th passionate guys commenting is the GM José (Pepe) Cuenca and has several english commented games as well. A beast about creating chess entertainment.
@@nvuishhslfv you act like that justifies his current behaviour. There is no doubt that he once was one of the greatest but nowdays he just makes outlandish claimes regulary and wont hesitate a second before spewing out lies. He destroyed his image and ultimately is a clown
making fun of a claim he made that was later proven to be true in the video is stupid since youre just giving more credit to the other claims that he made and showing that even when his claims are right people will call them wrong
1- the time control should have been 3-1 2- The server should be hosted in the LAN ( local area network), no windows pcs, no updates ,no software other than the chess up 3- Exchange the seats after each game as previously mentioned 4- In the contract it should have been written that the loser ( Kramnik) would need to public say that his cheating accusations were unfounded
People are being too kind to Kramnik in the comments. He's a grotesque. Let's not forget he accused Jose of cheating - a claim he couldn't back up in theory, or evidence by domination on the board.
Kramnik put his money where his mouth was and agreed to play the guy he was accusing in-person. Now there was a bunch of drama after, but at least he showed up to play instead of making the accusation and running.
@@carlcox7976Quit bringing that up. Everybody knew Jospem was at a disadvantage in OTB. It's an entirely different format than what was actually disputed. Therefore, Kramnik's OTB wins are irrelevant to the results.
@@hypercubemaster2729 dude is acting like lags dont matter in online blitz match which is insane. And yes OTB is relevant to the results. They agreed for both formats and OTB could decide so you are talking nonsense.
@@carlcox7976 OTB isn't relevant because we all knew kramnik was just stronger OTB anyways, more experience and is a veteran, it could decide but jose was looking to play for his strengths which was online in order to catch up and maintain a lead, which he did after they cancelled his 2 matches for a bug and kramnik only had a common bug once which happens online and he cried even though he already lost.
@@carlcox7976 No, you are talking nonsense. Kramnik was only up 2 points in OTB, and the vast majority of games that they played were what? They were online. And as I already explained, nobody expected Jospem to win in OTB. That's not his format of choice, nor was it the format that Kramnik's suspicions were heavy on, so like I said, your point you think you have about Kramnik's OTB victory is moot. Also, quit arguing points that I never debated. I debated your claim that Kramnik's OTB results were of relevance to the match: not whether the lag in Kramnik's laptop affected the match results, so stop it with the strawman arguments.
More like Kramnik being a typical modern day Russian. It's in their culture to whine and claim being the innocent victim, while attacking and harassing others.
Jose remained professional throughout, Kramnik just looked for any excuse at every opportunity. What a miserable man he is. Well played Jose, rightful victor.
Kramnik 'looked for any excuse' and somehow convinced the Arbiter to see them too? No, the technical issues were real and unfortunately prevented us from getting a fair answer to the question. :(
The games that were affected by bugs were annulled. Kramnik still lost. But even putting that aside, the match was close enough that I don’t think there’s any doubt that Jose is a bit weaker over the board but just as strong or stronger than Kramnik online in faster time controls
@@shmitson Actually, I believe the documentary stated that there was a bug (since resolved of course *wink* *wink*) in one or more of the final games. It's just a shame that because of the technical flaws the results can't be accepted by everyone, which could have been avoided.
@@jeremycraft2445I mean, if you're taking the documentary word for word, it also said the bug in those finals games appeared after the match was already decided.
@@nicholaslange6444 You don't think the technical issues throughout might have affected how they played? That's the problem, both players deserved to be able to trust the environment to be fair, but because of all the issues they couldn't.
Kramnik's conduct is a disgrace. His constant accusations could be viewed as a modern abstract form of cheating as well. He tries to get into his opponents head everytime he has a bad game. He does this purposely and to me that's just another way to violate fair play conditions. Gives the impression of a bitter old man who lost the love for the game and the respect for his opponents.
@@Artimonsta Go back and watch the end of the video where they report yet another bug (since resolved of course *wink* *wink*). And the problem is that the technical issues rendered the outcome still open to suspicion, which could have been avoided. Hopefully a rematch will be free of such preventable errors.
@@jeremycraft2445 He complained about many other things too. He complained about the hotel room size. The computers had this issue because they hay to be opened in front of him, just before the games, cause that was his request. He signed for 36 games and played 28 because "he was tired". To do that once the match has already started and the score is in your favor is insane. He demanded the 3+2 control even though Jose usually plays 3+1 on those "suspicious games". And even though they were some issues, I imagine you can get a sense of a player strength after playing 28 games. He could at least have said that the guy seems legit, but no, he says it doesn't prove anything. It's hard to defend him. At this point, he is a meme and he's just using it as a business.
Hispanics are either some of the most trustworthy people, or some of the biggest liars (mostly due to brazilians). Mexicans are some of the most honest people out there
@@satendra_sharma Jospem's record against Carlsen & Nakamura... Magnus has 9 wins 6 loses 2 draws vs Jospem Nakamura has 46 wins 9 loses 18 draws vs Jospem
Here's the thing. Kramnik is clearly "all-in" with his accusations. Nothing will satisfy him, in terms of showing him evidence that a player is indeed playing fairly.
Why wouldn’t they have cameras with the screen and mouse clearly in view? Wouldn’t that be conclusive resolution for all the claims Kramnik made during the online matches?
I have to give it to Kramnik, I was wondering what his excuse was going to be if things started going badly and claiming that someone was targeting him specifically on a brand new, out-of-the-box laptop was absolutely fantastic in every sense of the word.
For those that don’t know the history behind Kramnik accusing everyone in the world of cheating and stringing other player reputation for no reason at all look it up. This is why he’s not well like anymore.
And I thought Reykjavik 1972 was bad. I'm a retired computer nerd. How anyone could even dream of using a brand new computer without applying all necessary updates is beyond me and an epic fail. That said, Kramnik comes across as a crybaby and owes his opponent an apology.
Yep I think whole point of inboxing and starting laptops in front of players was to show them that they don't have anything installed and it would be same experience for both users. Imo its always best to give them properly set up laptops
Well, all the necessary updates were SUPPOSED to be installed. But the technical team failed to ensure that they were. I also wonder why they chose to use an Internet chess server instead of setting up something on the LAN? Why risk issues of Lag when you don't have to...
Little things? Bugs with time in blitz game and moves not reaching the server are little things? Ok bro 😅😅 So why did Jospem (all due respect to the guy he seems nice) lost OTB?
@@carlcox7976 Kramnik accused Jospem of cheating, but the goal wasn’t winning (though he did get beaten). When exactly did Jospem cheat? If there’s no proof, Kramnik should publicly apologize and acknowledge Jospem’s talent and integrity. But he won’t, because he lacks ethics.
God bless Grandmaster Martinez for having the courage to go into the lion’s den and stand up to the biggest crybaby in the history of chess! Rumor has it Kramnik recently did a study of his life as a whole and discovered that every single difficult experience he lived through was someone else’s fault. It must be nice to always be the victim!
"What ever happened, it's not my fault" - guy who caused every problem in the event by forcing the organizers to run the online matches on untested computers that were not properly setup or configured
Great stuff from Jose. Truely a gentleman to be able to put up with Kramniks accussations. Good on him. Truely deserves the win and proved himself to the world.
25:50 This summarizes how the Clash of Claims favors Jospem (MVP), because he gave in on the conditions. Accepting 3+2 format was CRAZY. Jospem is faster and more intelligent than Kramnik when underpressure or time pressure. Jose Martinez Alcantara is such a world class player.
Kramnik is such a crybaby its insane. After every loss he has something to say. Hes like a little child that screames when he loses and complaines the entire game night
Everything was all over the place but in the end the games cleared Jose's name which was the main intention. Playing with brand new laptops was a big misstep, although I understand Kramnik's thinking, at some point he simply needs to find someone in IT from is side to be present and clear any questions he has. Modern Operating Systems are very complex, so they should have consulted with IT people to guarantee a stable playing field instead of prioritizing everything fresh. I also understand Kramnik's frustration around time issues, as he's used to physical clocks, but he and everyone needs to understand that time syncing in a network is one of toughest challenges in IT. It's really hard to sync times because, time itself is an uncontrollable variable on the solution side of the equation.
Even if jospem will not be top 10 in the world, he made it to top 10 in our hearts. Beating (or at least playing on par) with a former world champ under these extrreme conditions (which kramnik is somewhat used to and jospem not), is just enough for everyone to appreciate the full proffesionalism of jospem. You went on and beyond, really a great match. Thank you.
Honestly, losing games because of missclicks, updates etc is part of the online experience. Not letting it get to you is a skill in it self. To prove anything all games should have been online, at home with arbiters sniffing wifi and network trafic. imho this doesn't prove much, but strengthens the defence of Jose, and shows he's a good sport
yea and kramnik accused him using 3+0 and 3+1 games, but demand a 3+2 match (even in online segment), which doesnt make any sense, just give him extra advantage... but he lost anyway lol
Poor Kramnik. He absolutely seems to have problems with understanding how the modern chess changed the prerequisites a player must have in opposite to what he experienced in his prime time.
Can't tell if I have watched a comedy sketch or a serious documentary, if anyone told a few years ago this would actually happen, I would have called them crazy.
25:50 he say “encima el va bien preparado” (kramnik is well prepared, he wasn’t talking about himself) which is funny cause in the interview with levy kramnik said that he didn’t do much prep
Jose is a really patient and calm sportsman, in the past day i saw kramnik photo and i thought what a nice and good man! Now i know i shouldn't judge someone by the appearance 😂
I'd like to see a video with a more technical breakdown of what the problem was, how it was diagnosed, why it occurred, how many games could this have affected, and what you've done to fix it.
Based on the minimal details provided (clocks out of sync on each laptop), I’m guessing they do some lag compensation that compares local times of each client after each move, and adjusts remaining time to midpoint of skew between them
@@H3xx1st They'd be low impact vulnerabilities and fairly detectable. And I'm not saying it's a good system, just what it sounds like based on the bug. In general, their software is very bad, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Ok... Because it's a known fact that chess players are the most easygoing of people... He's a chess world champion, less than 20 people can currently say that...
@@giovannifrrri5495 I'm aware he was a world champion.. but that was not my point. If someone talks about Kramnik in 10 years no ons fist thought will be "oh he is one of the greatest ever" but it will be "oh that was the crazy guy who accused everyone of cheating, was a sore loser and was making a complete fool of himself"...
kramnik needs help. does he not have anyone that will guide him to get the help he needs? BTW Jose is so down to earth, a breath of fresh air in the realm of young players. humble, grounded. hope he goes far. all Kramnik has now is bugs here and bugs there. will he apologise for accusing him of cheating? he is paranoid enough that he claims his computer is bugged or something. maybe next time alternate computers for each game. suggesting this just to see what he will come up with next.
Did you guys for real blame the problem on mismatched time zones...? Does anyone there actually know anything about networking? Proof in the fact that the problem persisted after the time zones were sync'd. You were on hotel wifi. End of story
Me encanta eschuchar a Levy, realmente le da emoción a las partidas y a todo lo que sucede "detrás de cámaras", jajajaja. Thank you, Levy, you did an amazing job! Also, José and Kramnik played well, but fortunately José won, even after all the things Kramnik requested to "equalize" and make the match "fair"! Congratulations!
31:36 I love the symbolism: Kramnik descending and running away (some were real tech issues but others were just excuses as he had already got a losing position on the board) Jose Martinez Alcantara, standing like a final boss.
Overlooking the fact that the 'real tech issues' and dealing with them certainly wasn't conducive to best play. It's like playing football on a pitch with gopher holes... sure it can affect either side, but the conditions ruin the chance for a truly 'fair' match...
@@jeremycraft2445 you’re missing Jose ALSO had tech issues. It happens all the time. Jospem is better prepared for them, because every pro player knows an estimate of how much time they have been thinking on a move.
@@Smileater But it wasn't 'a move' Kramnik's time was showing incorrectly indicating that he had only a few seconds for the rest of the game when he had actually had around 20. That's a pretty significant difference. And I don't recall the documentary mentioning Jose having the same kind of issues? In fact they specifically stated that Jose's laptop HAD all the updates while Kramnik's did not. Either way the point is, it wasn't a level playing field, and thus we cannot really accept the conclusion without doubts. That's the shame of it all, the event left everyone dissatisfied.
Stop accusing jose dude...jeez...just cuz kramnik has skill issue in online formate doesnt mean he'd accuse a great player like Jose...he should just admit that online chess is not his thing and nobody will show hate to him
What a mindset difference. Start about 29:00 into the video and watch Kramnik complain about the lag, while Martinez embraces it and says he must play even better because of it.
I have to say though, Levy once said you can't be mad at being flagged because you chose the time increments. And even if this is an error, or glitch, it can happen to both parties. It's really hard to not have ping issues because that is how the network works. Just play better. Or repeat a few moves to gain the time.
Very well done chess documentary. Riviting to watch. Everything about the production was top notch. Please do more. This format would fit many chess rivalries. HN next? Bravo!
I heard a lot of noise about this, but didn't know the details or the result. I was on the edge of my seat. Crazy stuff. Spanish commentary is epic. Pepe Cuenca (I have one of his courses) is funny as hell.
i dont understand why they wouldnt just have video of each players screens during the games? seems like a very obvious solution to prove or disprove any accusations of unfairness.
Idk what you would call prepping? Its known that kramnik's repetoire is really big, its also known in the first match martinez was strugling against the french. I imagine both would prepare...
Kramnik's 2000 world championship prep is the reason everyone plays the Berlin at the highest level vs the Spanish after all. At his peak his prep was monumental. That said he just isn't nearly as strong as he used to be as a player and he cannot accept that, which I think is at the root of him accusing everyone else of cheating.
Just go and watch Kramnik videos. He's got what I call "the boomer-clicking", he spends an extra second for every move because of that. One can't have that and expect to go well in online blitz chess. That is why in the "Clash", the OTB part was even, while the online part went to José. What Kramnik needs is a "motricity in the digital age" training, and quit the senseless accusations and finger pointing to honest players.
Catch up with all that lead to the Clash of Claims with Jospem and Kramnik: ruclips.net/video/AD0QrhyE-uo/видео.html
WE NEED POGCHAMPS 6
V Kramnik has been threatened minute 3:38
Daniel rodriguez threatens people
and in the cover of the video short
why is there so much text on screen i cant read guys just make a voiceover
Jose was an extremely good sportsman all round! Big kudos to the guy.
@@potatoonastick2239 he could have laid into Kramimeme but was a classy guy instead I’m a fan now
Absolute class, even agreed to so many things that were disadvantages, genuinely happy for the guy
Congrats to the graphic designer who changed the interface for problem solving in android platform. It is clear that he does not use the app. You have to be a bunch of morons to do such an update. FU all
This makes Jospem look like a saint. Then to offer Hikaru a draw over a mouse slip - dude has integrity.
Kramnik: oh.. Interesting 😂🤔
Massive respect for Jose to agree to do all of this again next month, as far as I'm concerned he has nothing to prove
I totally agree
Is he getting paid?
Yeah, an online God has nothing to prove. NIce logic!
@@md.masumomarjashim are u even real bro?
@@cursedenthusiast Do you even know about LAN bro? Or Esports? Or sports in general?
well at least Kramnik can't destroy careers anymore with his accusations since he's basically a meme at this point.
Magnus as well.
@bassmanjr100 19 time World Champ is still winning championships and is still World #1. Kramnik maybe so.
He won OTB bro
@@carlcox7976 his accusations were based on online play. the OTB games made no sense
@@tomyman opposite, his accusations were based on fact that cheaters don't perform OTB as strong as online because it's harder to cheat OTB. Why are you lying?
Spanish commentary brings so much passion to any sport. 😂
fr
Of course 😂
and much more food
yeah its like we dont understand anything but know the gravity of the situation by the tone of their voice.............and the same goes to Arabic commentary
One of th passionate guys commenting is the GM José (Pepe) Cuenca and has several english commented games as well. A beast about creating chess entertainment.
The point is clear beyond a reasonable doubt: Kramnik's opponent does not need to cheat to win despite Vladimir's claims.
😂😂
Man these chess type documentary series videos are a hell lot of fun to watch
(Even though we already know the result)
Kramnik is not only accuse people of cheating. He also accused time💀
Kramnik was 2800+ and beat Kasparov in WC so he is one of the best out there. Ofc he is now out of shape
@@nvuishhslfv you act like that justifies his current behaviour. There is no doubt that he once was one of the greatest but nowdays he just makes outlandish claimes regulary and wont hesitate a second before spewing out lies. He destroyed his image and ultimately is a clown
@@Tom-hw1xf btw the original comment was edited, now it has completely different meaning
I am not trying to justify Kramnik
@@Tom-hw1xfHe’s just completely delusional.
making fun of a claim he made that was later proven to be true in the video is stupid since youre just giving more credit to the other claims that he made and showing that even when his claims are right people will call them wrong
Massive props to Jose for putting up with Kramnik crying like a baby the whole time. He seems like a really nice guy.
1- the time control should have been 3-1
2- The server should be hosted in the LAN ( local area network), no windows pcs, no updates ,no software other than the chess up
3- Exchange the seats after each game as previously mentioned
4- In the contract it should have been written that the loser ( Kramnik) would need to public say that his cheating accusations were unfounded
People are being too kind to Kramnik in the comments. He's a grotesque. Let's not forget he accused Jose of cheating - a claim he couldn't back up in theory, or evidence by domination on the board.
Thats because he became a meme
He won over the board. He is one of the greatest chess players of all time.
Kramnik put his money where his mouth was and agreed to play the guy he was accusing in-person. Now there was a bunch of drama after, but at least he showed up to play instead of making the accusation and running.
@@cccpkingu but he got beaten too
He lost the clash of claims even after his excuses and removing Martinez's wins...@@cccpkingu
Dude is leaving pieces hanging left and right and is blaming lags/bugs for it.
I do same when I lose, which is almost every game.
Bugs with time were confirmed and move didint reach te server. And lets ingore the fact that he actually won OTB match
@@carlcox7976Quit bringing that up. Everybody knew Jospem was at a disadvantage in OTB. It's an entirely different format than what was actually disputed. Therefore, Kramnik's OTB wins are irrelevant to the results.
@@hypercubemaster2729 dude is acting like lags dont matter in online blitz match which is insane. And yes OTB is relevant to the results. They agreed for both formats and OTB could decide so you are talking nonsense.
@@carlcox7976 OTB isn't relevant because we all knew kramnik was just stronger OTB anyways, more experience and is a veteran, it could decide but jose was looking to play for his strengths which was online in order to catch up and maintain a lead, which he did after they cancelled his 2 matches for a bug and kramnik only had a common bug once which happens online and he cried even though he already lost.
@@carlcox7976 No, you are talking nonsense. Kramnik was only up 2 points in OTB, and the vast majority of games that they played were what? They were online. And as I already explained, nobody expected Jospem to win in OTB. That's not his format of choice, nor was it the format that Kramnik's suspicions were heavy on, so like I said, your point you think you have about Kramnik's OTB victory is moot. Also, quit arguing points that I never debated. I debated your claim that Kramnik's OTB results were of relevance to the match: not whether the lag in Kramnik's laptop affected the match results, so stop it with the strawman arguments.
Kramnik beeing Kramnik i wouldnt take it too seriously
It was just typical russian arrogant behaviour. Nothing new.
He was totally right at least on the clock issue... I don't know about the other stuffs ..
More like Kramnik being a typical modern day Russian. It's in their culture to whine and claim being the innocent victim, while attacking and harassing others.
The documentaries you guys put out are severely underrated, you should really make a playlist of them and promote them more
They should have swapped laptops after every game. Then no one could claim advantage
L take
@@thehawktuahlegendwhy?
Good call
@@D.U.D.E- he wrote before thinking
yes kramnik is stupid he should have done this or Jose could have thought of this idea you are genius for such a great idea!
Jose remained professional throughout, Kramnik just looked for any excuse at every opportunity. What a miserable man he is. Well played Jose, rightful victor.
Kramnik 'looked for any excuse' and somehow convinced the Arbiter to see them too? No, the technical issues were real and unfortunately prevented us from getting a fair answer to the question. :(
The games that were affected by bugs were annulled. Kramnik still lost. But even putting that aside, the match was close enough that I don’t think there’s any doubt that Jose is a bit weaker over the board but just as strong or stronger than Kramnik online in faster time controls
@@shmitson Actually, I believe the documentary stated that there was a bug (since resolved of course *wink* *wink*) in one or more of the final games. It's just a shame that because of the technical flaws the results can't be accepted by everyone, which could have been avoided.
@@jeremycraft2445I mean, if you're taking the documentary word for word, it also said the bug in those finals games appeared after the match was already decided.
@@nicholaslange6444 You don't think the technical issues throughout might have affected how they played? That's the problem, both players deserved to be able to trust the environment to be fair, but because of all the issues they couldn't.
Kramnik's conduct is a disgrace. His constant accusations could be viewed as a modern abstract form of cheating as well. He tries to get into his opponents head everytime he has a bad game. He does this purposely and to me that's just another way to violate fair play conditions. Gives the impression of a bitter old man who lost the love for the game and the respect for his opponents.
Just glossing over the fact that there WERE several technical issues as witnessed by the arbiter... Show your bias a little more why don't you.
Arbiter saw and confirmed the time issue? Did you watch the video at all?
He did not stop complaining after that tho. He obviously complained enough to even make a rematch necessary
@@Artimonsta Go back and watch the end of the video where they report yet another bug (since resolved of course *wink* *wink*). And the problem is that the technical issues rendered the outcome still open to suspicion, which could have been avoided. Hopefully a rematch will be free of such preventable errors.
@@jeremycraft2445 He complained about many other things too. He complained about the hotel room size. The computers had this issue because they hay to be opened in front of him, just before the games, cause that was his request. He signed for 36 games and played 28 because "he was tired". To do that once the match has already started and the score is in your favor is insane. He demanded the 3+2 control even though Jose usually plays 3+1 on those "suspicious games". And even though they were some issues, I imagine you can get a sense of a player strength after playing 28 games. He could at least have said that the guy seems legit, but no, he says it doesn't prove anything. It's hard to defend him. At this point, he is a meme and he's just using it as a business.
Jose looks like an honest man.
Was happy to see him vindicated
Hispanics are either some of the most trustworthy people, or some of the biggest liars (mostly due to brazilians). Mexicans are some of the most honest people out there
He DESTROYS Magnus Hikaru in Title Tuesday,
but here barely made the cut against one washed out old GM
@@satendra_sharma Jospem's record against Carlsen & Nakamura...
Magnus has 9 wins 6 loses 2 draws vs Jospem
Nakamura has 46 wins 9 loses 18 draws vs Jospem
@@satendra_sharma Bro don't you get it? He LOOKS honest. That's all these people need - appearance.
Kramnik at 9:52 “We do procedure”, “everything is clear to me”
Jose is a verifiable saint for putting up with as much as he did.
Kramnik is so cranky. Get him a warm bottle of milk & a blanky. He needs a nap. Poor baby.
lol
Lmao 😂
😂 well said
Nice rap
@@lansuki3059 I didn't even realize haha
Here's the thing. Kramnik is clearly "all-in" with his accusations. Nothing will satisfy him, in terms of showing him evidence that a player is indeed playing fairly.
Kramnik in OTB game : see, i tried to pick up the knight but it wouldn't let me pick it up
Lol, underrated comment 😂😂😂
wtf 💀
Hahah why am I reading this in kramnik’s voice 😂
Why wouldn’t they have cameras with the screen and mouse clearly in view? Wouldn’t that be conclusive resolution for all the claims Kramnik made during the online matches?
Exactly. 🤷🏻♂️
yeah it makes no sense to not have it
Kramnik and Hans are very much meant for each other
I have to give it to Kramnik, I was wondering what his excuse was going to be if things started going badly and claiming that someone was targeting him specifically on a brand new, out-of-the-box laptop was absolutely fantastic in every sense of the word.
Kramnik is kramniking
For those that don’t know the history behind Kramnik accusing everyone in the world of cheating and stringing other player reputation for no reason at all look it up. This is why he’s not well like anymore.
surprising to see how kramnik and Hans are two people that complain about bugs the most when they start losing
Kramnik is going to do the procedure on the internet itself at this point
“An Underdog Story”
Yeah, Kramnik is cooked 😂
And I thought Reykjavik 1972 was bad. I'm a retired computer nerd. How anyone could even dream of using a brand new computer without applying all necessary updates is beyond me and an epic fail.
That said, Kramnik comes across as a crybaby and owes his opponent an apology.
Yep I think whole point of inboxing and starting laptops in front of players was to show them that they don't have anything installed and it would be same experience for both users. Imo its always best to give them properly set up laptops
@@mrGhost212exchanges the laptop every game was an option too, like they do in tennis
Well, all the necessary updates were SUPPOSED to be installed. But the technical team failed to ensure that they were. I also wonder why they chose to use an Internet chess server instead of setting up something on the LAN? Why risk issues of Lag when you don't have to...
They could've easily made lan gameplay possible with lichess
Nah Kramnik is just a clown at this point behaving like a child accusing everybody of cheating and then crying about little things hilarious
Little things? Bugs with time in blitz game and moves not reaching the server are little things? Ok bro 😅😅
So why did Jospem (all due respect to the guy he seems nice) lost OTB?
@@carlcox7976Because he wasn't playing against anyone. Kramnik is still really good and there always is a difference between OTB and Online chess
@@carlcox7976 he lost by 2 points to a former world champion.
what is that supposed to prove?
@@carlcox7976kramnik should just retire and stop complaining when he loses.
@@carlcox7976 Kramnik accused Jospem of cheating, but the goal wasn’t winning (though he did get beaten). When exactly did Jospem cheat? If there’s no proof, Kramnik should publicly apologize and acknowledge Jospem’s talent and integrity. But he won’t, because he lacks ethics.
This is great and so well deserved for Jospem. Well done sir ✨
There were so many bad thing, that I wouldn't consider it a fair match.
God bless Grandmaster Martinez for having the courage to go into the lion’s den and stand up to the biggest crybaby in the history of chess! Rumor has it Kramnik recently did a study of his life as a whole and discovered that every single difficult experience he lived through was someone else’s fault. It must be nice to always be the victim!
José is just a patron saint. A gentleman all around these unexpected turns of events.
"What ever happened, it's not my fault" - guy who caused every problem in the event by forcing the organizers to run the online matches on untested computers that were not properly setup or configured
Great stuff from Jose. Truely a gentleman to be able to put up with Kramniks accussations. Good on him. Truely deserves the win and proved himself to the world.
25:50 This summarizes how the Clash of Claims favors Jospem (MVP), because he gave in on the conditions.
Accepting 3+2 format was CRAZY. Jospem is faster and more intelligent than Kramnik when underpressure or time pressure. Jose Martinez Alcantara is such a world class player.
Kramnik is such a crybaby its insane. After every loss he has something to say. Hes like a little child that screames when he loses and complaines the entire game night
I think it’s safe to say Jospem proved himself, I hope Kramnik acknowledged his skills.
Everything was all over the place but in the end the games cleared Jose's name which was the main intention.
Playing with brand new laptops was a big misstep, although I understand Kramnik's thinking, at some point he simply needs to find someone in IT from is side to be present and clear any questions he has. Modern Operating Systems are very complex, so they should have consulted with IT people to guarantee a stable playing field instead of prioritizing everything fresh.
I also understand Kramnik's frustration around time issues, as he's used to physical clocks, but he and everyone needs to understand that time syncing in a network is one of toughest challenges in IT. It's really hard to sync times because, time itself is an uncontrollable variable on the solution side of the equation.
Time sync is not hard for the level of time accuracy needed in a chess game.
Mom can i have magnus vs Hans?
We have magnus vs Hans at home!!
It's not a fair match unless both players go to micro center and build their own custom PCs before the match.
Even if jospem will not be top 10 in the world, he made it to top 10 in our hearts. Beating (or at least playing on par) with a former world champ under these extrreme conditions (which kramnik is somewhat used to and jospem not), is just enough for everyone to appreciate the full proffesionalism of jospem. You went on and beyond, really a great match. Thank you.
Honestly, losing games because of missclicks, updates etc is part of the online experience. Not letting it get to you is a skill in it self.
To prove anything all games should have been online, at home with arbiters sniffing wifi and network trafic.
imho this doesn't prove much, but strengthens the defence of Jose, and shows he's a good sport
this.
yea and kramnik accused him using 3+0 and 3+1 games, but demand a 3+2 match (even in online segment), which doesnt make any sense, just give him extra advantage... but he lost anyway lol
whoever was responsible for the editing did great.
Can’t believe I was the arbiter there!!! Thanks for everything again❤️
Wait really?
@@Vencazzly12yesss! I’m the one with white jacket🥰
nice
We better understand why this match was a fiasco
😁😆😅 Just joking.
What's your rating
Poor Kramnik. He absolutely seems to have problems with understanding how the modern chess changed the prerequisites a player must have in opposite to what he experienced in his prime time.
Poor Kramnik lol. Throwing career-ruining allegations and getting put in his place
I start to believe that Kramnik shouldnt use electronic devices at all. He clearly has some kind of phobia from them
Bot a phobia, but paranoia
Can't tell if I have watched a comedy sketch or a serious documentary, if anyone told a few years ago this would actually happen, I would have called them crazy.
"among other gransmasters"? Only Kramnik as far as I know accuses him, but he accuses anyone that beats him online.
Jose does that too
Kramnik went from accusing Jose to accusing the platform the online games where played. Boss
He evidently doesn't have the background or insight to tell for sure for either problem, but he points to potential problems when he sees them.
30 Minutes of Kramnik Acting Like a Baby.
That would be a much better title.
25:50 he say “encima el va bien preparado” (kramnik is well prepared, he wasn’t talking about himself) which is funny cause in the interview with levy kramnik said that he didn’t do much prep
I don't know why, but Jose has such a sympathic Aura to me. Just by looking at him I like him.
I think it’s safe to say Jose proved himself, I hope Kramnik acknowledged his skills.
0:19 bro thinks he's Mikhail tal
Jose is a really patient and calm sportsman, in the past day i saw kramnik photo and i thought what a nice and good man! Now i know i shouldn't judge someone by the appearance 😂
Martinez is like: "bro i just wanna play"
I'd like to see a video with a more technical breakdown of what the problem was, how it was diagnosed, why it occurred, how many games could this have affected, and what you've done to fix it.
This.
Based on the minimal details provided (clocks out of sync on each laptop), I’m guessing they do some lag compensation that compares local times of each client after each move, and adjusts remaining time to midpoint of skew between them
@@brotatobrosaurus5411 That would open the door to vulnerabilities. The fixes would have to be server side.
@@H3xx1st They'd be low impact vulnerabilities and fairly detectable.
And I'm not saying it's a good system, just what it sounds like based on the bug. In general, their software is very bad, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Ikr! i think my games are also affected, since i lost a lot
As a Peruvian this is like having the first Peruvian chess world champion 🇵🇪
Kramnik Making Claims He Cannot Back Up, Season X Episode Y...
I think this definitely makes Jose look less suspicious
Jose even after soo many factors against him, WON and did not complaint
Kramnik looking like some hollywood drama star
10:45 "I just simply not trust", Why does no one suggest using a screen recorder? And if you're unsure about the result, you can just watch the replay
Jose is such a likeable guy
At 23:04 I love how confused Jospem looks when he is asked to sign the board at e4 which is of course way too small
there is so much scope for a drive to survive style series about international chess
Kramnik is just a sore loser simple as that.. one of the all time greats when it comes to chess but we will all remember him as the weird guy
Not really the weird guy. But the sore loser, as he is. It is so anoying seeing him always complaining.
Ok... Because it's a known fact that chess players are the most easygoing of people... He's a chess world champion, less than 20 people can currently say that...
@@giovannifrrri5495 I'm aware he was a world champion.. but that was not my point. If someone talks about Kramnik in 10 years no ons fist thought will be "oh he is one of the greatest ever" but it will be "oh that was the crazy guy who accused everyone of cheating, was a sore loser and was making a complete fool of himself"...
@@giovannifrrri5495 Also very few people can say they accused so many players of cheating without any evidence. He's indeed one of a kind.
Unc still has PTSD from the infamous toiletgate match 😂😂😂
Please keep making these kind of documentaries. Loving it💛
Yesss i like it
+3
Kramnik wanted to do the procedure so bad lmao
Officially a fan of Jospem.
Well done!
kramnik needs help. does he not have anyone that will guide him to get the help he needs?
BTW Jose is so down to earth, a breath of fresh air in the realm of young players. humble, grounded. hope he goes far.
all Kramnik has now is bugs here and bugs there. will he apologise for accusing him of cheating? he is paranoid enough that he claims his computer is bugged or something. maybe next time alternate computers for each game. suggesting this just to see what he will come up with next.
Did you guys for real blame the problem on mismatched time zones...? Does anyone there actually know anything about networking? Proof in the fact that the problem persisted after the time zones were sync'd.
You were on hotel wifi. End of story
Me encanta eschuchar a Levy, realmente le da emoción a las partidas y a todo lo que sucede "detrás de cámaras", jajajaja. Thank you, Levy, you did an amazing job! Also, José and Kramnik played well, but fortunately José won, even after all the things Kramnik requested to "equalize" and make the match "fair"! Congratulations!
31:36 I love the symbolism:
Kramnik descending and running away (some were real tech issues but others were just excuses as he had already got a losing position on the board)
Jose Martinez Alcantara, standing like a final boss.
Overlooking the fact that the 'real tech issues' and dealing with them certainly wasn't conducive to best play. It's like playing football on a pitch with gopher holes... sure it can affect either side, but the conditions ruin the chance for a truly 'fair' match...
@@jeremycraft2445 you’re missing Jose ALSO had tech issues. It happens all the time. Jospem is better prepared for them, because every pro player knows an estimate of how much time they have been thinking on a move.
@@Smileater But it wasn't 'a move' Kramnik's time was showing incorrectly indicating that he had only a few seconds for the rest of the game when he had actually had around 20. That's a pretty significant difference. And I don't recall the documentary mentioning Jose having the same kind of issues? In fact they specifically stated that Jose's laptop HAD all the updates while Kramnik's did not. Either way the point is, it wasn't a level playing field, and thus we cannot really accept the conclusion without doubts. That's the shame of it all, the event left everyone dissatisfied.
@@jeremycraft2445 Even with those matches voided, Jose won
@@degew9367 You don't think the issues affected Kramnik's play? (and didn't Kramnik win the rematch?)
Kramnik never fails to make himself look stupider and stupider
Stop accusing jose dude...jeez...just cuz kramnik has skill issue in online formate doesnt mean he'd accuse a great player like Jose...he should just admit that online chess is not his thing and nobody will show hate to him
I have to say seeing Kramnik complaining every round is so hilarious.. but so entertaining at the same time :D
What a mindset difference. Start about 29:00 into the video and watch Kramnik complain about the lag, while Martinez embraces it and says he must play even better because of it.
I have to say though, Levy once said you can't be mad at being flagged because you chose the time increments. And even if this is an error, or glitch, it can happen to both parties. It's really hard to not have ping issues because that is how the network works. Just play better. Or repeat a few moves to gain the time.
Kramnik is such a child..
Very well made! More mini docs like this PLEASE!!
Okay let's do the procedure
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Very well done chess documentary. Riviting to watch. Everything about the production was top notch. Please do more. This format would fit many chess rivalries. HN next? Bravo!
Great video. I mean, you can say all you want about Kramnik but he sure gives us content 😅
Stressful content?
This is the type of content that gets me fired up and locked in.
18:06 : omg Rey Enigma without a costume
Not at all. Miguel is Rey Enigma
3:16 wild Levy
what's with those bs 'wild blabla' comments? He is part of the documentary and is the only person in the frame.
I heard a lot of noise about this, but didn't know the details or the result. I was on the edge of my seat. Crazy stuff. Spanish commentary is epic. Pepe Cuenca (I have one of his courses) is funny as hell.
David and Goliath...thats all i have to say
Perfect title or way to sum it up
i dont understand why they wouldnt just have video of each players screens during the games? seems like a very obvious solution to prove or disprove any accusations of unfairness.
I imagine kramnik prepping like world Championship for the 19 august rematch if kramnik really does that he will win half of the matches in opening.
That’s so true
Idk what you would call prepping? Its known that kramnik's repetoire is really big, its also known in the first match martinez was strugling against the french. I imagine both would prepare...
Kramnik's 2000 world championship prep is the reason everyone plays the Berlin at the highest level vs the Spanish after all. At his peak his prep was monumental. That said he just isn't nearly as strong as he used to be as a player and he cannot accept that, which I think is at the root of him accusing everyone else of cheating.
Wow this was well edited and produced
Just go and watch Kramnik videos. He's got what I call "the boomer-clicking", he spends an extra second for every move because of that. One can't have that and expect to go well in online blitz chess. That is why in the "Clash", the OTB part was even, while the online part went to José. What Kramnik needs is a "motricity in the digital age" training, and quit the senseless accusations and finger pointing to honest players.
Bravo to Jose! Everything stacked against him.......kept cool, delivered the dagger!
Kramnick only complains💀