@@Nicholas121093 Just because you can see the future doesn't mean you see absolutely everything. She some some, didn't see others. it's that simple.......in the end, it was Aegon's coronation that eventually led to the events of blood and cheese.
I honestly think it is poetic! The red wipes away the greens xD. If their was a dance of dragons between Viserys and Rhaenys it wouldve been the Blacks vs The Reds for sure
The fact she doesn't seem to acknowledge what she did, no context is given to explain if she had another route of escape and the show doesn't mention this again are really making me worry about the writing in future seasons.
@@user-zv2vm8bd8h Agreed. All we know for sure is that there is an exterior entrance to the Dragonpit that we see many times earlier in the season that Rhaenys chose not to use.
@@AGuyCalledHarry I believe you are right. The large back doors at the back of the Pit are not visible from the inside of the dome so they are probably connected to the underground caverns.
imo this makes her the most evil character in the show so far. maybe aegon is worse due to the depths of his evil, even though its on a smaller scale, but this was just pure evil. sauron would be proud.
@@user-zv2vm8bd8h- It makes me worry about the writing in the show as well, since we all know this event *DOES NOT HAPPEN* in the novel. 🤦🏻♀️🙄 But the show did it anyway, all so they could have some big spectacle... making Rhaenys look terrible, in the process! They also showed Aemon One-Eye killing Lucerys "on accident" in the next episode. Which was also utter rubbish! Aemon 100% kills that boy ON PURPOSE in the source material... he even goes back home & BRAGS about it, ffs. He's a psychopath. Alicent doesn't defend Rhaenyra, or suggest that the council spare her or her children either! In the book she is fully on board w/killing them ALL, cuz she's a vile, bitter, evil woman, who doesn't care that her rapey, alcoholic, murderous son isn't fit to sit the throne. She just doesn't want Rhaenyra getting to. But the show clearly wants both sides to look "equally bad" so that the fandom can have fun picking their favorite teams in the war. They have Daemon seducing a 15yr old Rhaenyra (something that was only a rumor in the novel), AND show him killing his 1st wife too! Also something he does not do! He was still out fighting in the Stepstones when she died, and he wasn't anywhere near the woman. If the writers are going to keep making their own fanfiction like this, I'll stop watching... because I already learned my lesson with Game of Thrones & I am NOT enduring that again.
This feels like the equivalent of the "Ned telling Cersei" moment. Emotionally, they are both decisions meant to try and save lives and not be the one responsible for getting people killed. But logically, both are terrible choices that result in a war that will have the entire realm tearing itself apart all because each individual wanted to avoid blood on their hands.
This is why I disliked this scene. This never happened in the books. She just got on Meleys and escaped. I know they were going for something like you're saying but it makes her look like an idiot. I already know as more season come out and tragedies continue happening there's going to be a bunch of "hurhurhur Rhaenys is so dumb for not taking the chance she had." I'm sure I'll still enjoy the show but stuff like this is what makes me begin dividing a character between their book version and their tv counterpart. Like now show Rhaenys is a completely different character in my mind.
@BlitzkriegFeuerFrei I wonder if, given what happens later in the war, this scene is supposed to be what motivates Rhaenys to personally join in the fighting. Since she was in the back of her mind, she knows (especially where season one ended) that she could have stopped all of this from ever happening. So, perhaps season 2 will have her mindset framed as "I have to make up for my mistake"
@@BlitzkriegFeuerFreiif the spectacle was so important, all they needed was to have Sunfire in the hall too. All goes exactly as it does here, only the reason for her not nuking them is that it's a stalemate with two huge dragons.
@@gamerguy19981that could have made sense, but literally the next thing she does after this scene is fly to Rhaenyra, declare for her, and then persuade Corlys to do the same. It may have made sense if she'd flown to Rhaenyra, told her what had happened and then basically said "this is the situation, fight among yourselves and keep me out of it". But she didn't.
Rhaenys and Meleys could have ended it all right there with one single word: DRACARYS!!! And all of Rhanerya and Daemon's enemies would have been taken out in one massive fireball! The Greens would have been annihilated and history and future of Westeros would be vastly different. Crazy. Absolutely amazing scene tho.
It would have end NOTHING ! Daeron is still alive and would have make a formidable challenge to her reign with Tessarion and the vast army from the South. The Westerlands would have rebelled immediately after the murder of Tyland Lannister and the Blacks would have simply started the war with the infamous status of kinslayers : they would have lost the support of many lords after a mass murder before fifty thousand witnesses...
@@sanjaykarthicks1226 No it's Tessarion vs Meleys + Caraxes + a sweet princess too lazy (or too coward) to use a dragon + Four big salamandras. More seriously, dragons aren't everything in a war. There are plenty of other settings. A dragon is not invulnerable, Dorne and the Triarchy have proven. A dragon cannot be in several places at the same time, a dragon cannot feed armies or pay mercenaries. The Greens have more men, more resources, more influence. If the Dance of the Dragons proves anything, it's that owning dragons is no guarantee of safety.
They have no idea how to handle the power they so desperately seek. Otto screaming to keep the door open and no one is listening. Aegon hiding behind his mother. Pathetic.
Alicent moved in front of her child to shield him. What should Aegon have done, shove his mother aside and jumped at the dragon? Greens knew they couldn't do anything. There was no point but to just wait for Rhaenys to kill them or leave. Alicent followed her motherly instinct by protecting her child.
Maybe you should face a dragon, and then we’ll see how you do. Also, she went in front of him, he didn’t run back and cry behind his mother’s back, hell he stood almost perfectly still the entire time. Also, the person you’re rooting for probably killed dozens of people when she broke through the ground with her dragon, so some food for thought.
@@acrazysheepdog1555 he did cry out behind her and closed his eyes. And they’re royalty they all have blood on their hands. One doesn’t become king or Queen without blood.
@@lamadoo The comments sections really shows you how nobles and royals did all the horrible things they did in history. Look at them, hundreds of innocent people are killed and all the commentors care about is the drama it causes the Royals.
You could tell there were people in the crowd who still supported Rhaenyra, they were the ones who just stood there without applauding, or who shook their heads.
That little nod from Helaena . . . I have two theories. One, she might have been encouraging Rhaenys to go ahead and fire on all of them. Two, I think she also might have felt some odd satisfaction knowing that her prophecy was true, and there really was a beast beneath the boards.
If you listen to Helena whenever she’s on screen she predicts what’s going to happen I put it all together when I seen this scene and heard her say there’s a beast beneath the boards
The best performance in this scene is Aegon getting pumped when just a few minutes before he was dreading being King. He finally feels important and powerful after his father overlooked him for 20 years . . . it is too good for him to pass up. He is so arbitrary and unfit for the throne and I love it. People s*** on the Greens and on Aegon, but he is an extremely interesting character and Tom Glynn-Carney does a fantastic job.
@@robertcurtislorenzenjr7153 I loved that- right now he is a coward and a total hedonist. He may grow out of the cowardice . . . the hedonism? Nah. He's gonna be a disgusting shit for as long as he lives lmao.
As unpleasant as Alicent is, you cannot deny she's very much like Cersei when it comes to her children and family. Like Cersei, she knew and understood perfectly well that her sons were monsters, but still defended them with her life. She was certain that they were all going to die here but her first instinct was to get in front of her children and die first. She knew they were no match for a dragon but she still used her body as a shield for them.
But Bruce at what point does a mother realize that defending her monstrous children becomes detrimental to not only her but numerous others? This was the exact same issue Cersei had. Yes she was being a mama bear protecting her cubs but she failed in never making those cubs face accountability and consequences. Look at how Joffrey turned out. Here it is the same with Alicent and her children...especially Aegon who proved to be a terrible king and shamed the Targaeryan name.
@@xyPERSON For the last time, I am not defending their actions, nor am I saying that they were good mothers. I am just emphasizing their love for their children.
@@Brucehumphrey I understand what you are saying Bruce. My point is mothers should not allow their love to blind them to the faults and flaws of their children.
@@xyPERSON I don’t disagree with that. My whole point for this post was to just highlight the love aspect, not the type or quality of mothers they are.
Sure, Alicent loves her children, but, the hypocrisy ruins much of who she is. Like...she's shaming Rhaenyra's children and the entire time I'm thinking do you see these fucked up mutants you raised?! It's always those pointing the finger.
@@kf338 Yeah, don't think it needs to be looked at literally. Besides, the show is leading you to think she was talking about the dragon...the beast beneath the boards that she's really talking about is coming in S2 😏
Raenys not killing every here is totally in character. She still thinks she can get these idiots to back down and get everything she wants especially since Aegons coronation hardly counts as a grand victory with all those people dead.
Rhaenys didnt really have a good reason not to torch that group of usurpers. Her boy grandkids have her (husband's) name. her girl grandkids have her blood. She has to know they are gonna be pulled into a war for the throne that could claim their lives, and she could have ended it right there.
Yeeahh and it makes no sense.... A slaughter of this scale would and should impact the story of Fire and Blood, at the very least the Greens should use it for their war propaganda, but no, probably won't even get a mention next season.
@@robbomegavlkafenryka6158 'You had the temperament to rule', even Rhaenys knew Allicent was failing to BS a BS'er in that scene and this just proves it.
@Robb Omega Vlka Fenryka imprisoned against her will by for blackmail, manages to escape her unjust imprisonment and shows them all she could have ruined them for it but chooses temperance and mercy. Yeah. Totally unfit for a ruler. Lol
It doesn't bother me nearly as much as when I first watched it, where I got the impression that Rhaenys was having Meleys smashing people deliberately, but I'll still be glad to see the consequences of this in one of the later Seasons with the dragon pit.
@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 Well apparently dragons are sometimes more intelligent than humans in GOT, said by some people including Tyrion in the show, but overall, dragons and how much they can think is inconsistent.
and would have proved before fifty thousand witnesses that the Blacks are worse than Maegor the Cruel. Half of Westeros would immediately rally Daeron to Oldtown, the other half would immediately abandon the cause of Rhaenyra...
When everyone was looking up at meleys and rhenys in disbelief after rhenys decided not to burn them to crisp, rhenys should've been like "SIKE bitch jk... DRACARYS!!!!".. Wasted opportunity
its tragic to see both Daemon and Aemond, second sons who embodied what it meant to be Valyrian Dragonlords, never get the opportunity to rule. Either of them would have built a new Valyria out of Westeros.
They were made to conquer, not to rule. If you think they would have made good kings you’ve missed a major point of the entire book series and both shows.
Drogon did symbolism on his own, which is why it was dumb, because dragons dont understand symbolism. Rhaenys was not a mad queen however, she just wants to be left alone.
@@yossi7765 And I'm sure Rhaenyra really appreciated that her aunt didn't put to the flame all the traitors so that the war would be over swiftly and none of her children would be brutally murdered just because she "wanted to be left alone"...Oh wait.
@@CatwithaKnife12 while also murdering countless smallfolk. In the books, it's a plot point that Tywin isn't loved in Kings Landing because he sacked it like, 17 years prior... This whole sequence should be huge for how the commoners view that side of the conflict, but it just sort of gets glossed over...
@@sebastianwillows @sebastianwillows Clearly killing small folk is not a concern of hers considering how she's most definetly murdered a few hundred of them by bursting out of the floor on dragon back. Regardless of whether yes or no this scene was in the book this scene is idiotic. Both in accords to the character and the story
They were loyal to daemon the gold cloaks I think they were trying to prevent anyone from leaving so rhaenys could kill them and nobody would be able to see if she made that choice. That’s why they weren’t following otto’s orders nor will they in the future. A Hightower tries to take control as leader of the gold cloaks and they just turned around and said “daemon Targaryen gave us these cloaks” we are only loyal to him and kills the Hightower.
I think they were trying to keep Rhaenys from escaping. They received word from the Hightower’s to keep Meraxys and Rhaenys under guard because they didn’t want her to leave and give the Blacks a head’s up. If you rewatch the scene, Rhaenys looks towards the doors as they’re closing it, almost wondering if she’ll make it out in time. Those doors were built for the Dragon Pit- they were reinforced to prevent Dragons like Balerion from escaping.
Otto pretty clearly ordered not to seal the doors. Also I think the Blacks would get more backlash, considering one of their main supporters just killed hundreds of innocent bystanders in a coronation.
I mean, Otto was screaming for them to let the people out while goldcloaks who are known to be loyal to Daemon seal them in while Rhaenys one of Rhaenyra's strongest allys is literally killing them. If I was a peasant, I'd side with the Greens on this one.
Yeah, but that would ignited the war sooner, because the allies of the Greens would march their armies against the blacks after hearing about this, and after all what she lost, Rhaenys wont be the one to throw the first stone, that was a warning shoot, that the Greens didn't listen.
So Rhaenys is happy to kill innocents to escape but not kill the people who 1- imprisoned her 2- kill the people who imprisoned her and prevent a war that will save TENS OF THOUSANDS of lives. Spectacle over substance was one of the biggest issues people had with the latter seasons of game of thrones. And before anyone thinks to say “her respect for Alicent as a mother stopped her” just think how many mothers she’s just killed trying to escape. Such a BS ending to an otherwise superb episode and amazing season so far.
yeah, i agree, this was a weird narrative. it's obviously cool or whatever, but she definitely could have done something more noteworthy like burn a fleet, take out the gates, or damage the dragonpit.
When facing death by dragon, Aegon the elder hid behind his mummy. Rhaenyra will die as a true dragon as her son cries for his mummy. Team Rhaenyra. The Queen who rightfully was.
Why did she went through all that trouble entering the throne room killing a number of people on the way and not give the killing blow to the group of people that matters?
Wow... just wow... I think Rhaenys is now my least favourite character in the show. Its such a dumb moment and it truely shows that the writers didnt understand one of the main themes of the story. The small folk is so important in the books but here they dont even care about it. I hate it
0:12 Helaena didn't even want to look at Aegon being crown. She knows that crown will only bring them suffering.
"When you become King, you would lose two legs."
Blood and cheese prove Helaena doesn't know shit.
@@Nicholas121093 Just because you can see the future doesn't mean you see absolutely everything. She some some, didn't see others. it's that simple.......in the end, it was Aegon's coronation that eventually led to the events of blood and cheese.
@@kninezbanks And the murder of Luke
@@Nicholas121093She dreams, she doesn’t see exact outcomes. What you think dragon dreamers has the power of Paul, Leto 2 or Genimma Atredis?
Olivia Cooke's acting is phenomenal! the way her eyes express every single emotion... stunning
Anyone else wish that the dragons tail smacked the king wacker in the head?
Couldn’t agree more
I NEVER WANTED TO HEAR DRACARYS SO FUCKING BADLY!!
Same
Seriously!!!!
Rhaenys will come to regret that she didn't do that when she could.
Yes! I just commented on another thread on here about how that’s the only thing wrong with this scene imo 😂😂
Right?!
"Beware the beast beneath the boards"Targaryen, Helena. 2022.
She wasn’t talking about the dragon. I won’t spoil anything but it’s something so much worse
Indeed, now the beast has awaken.
@@BIastwave. lies
@@BIastwave. please spoil it i must know! ☹️
This is not the beast.
The Queen That Never Was burns The King That Never Should Have Been. Would've been pure poetry that they would make songs about
im guessing English isn't your first language dude?
@@danielwhittaker695 why
@@danielwhittaker695 good talk mate
I honestly think it is poetic! The red wipes away the greens xD. If their was a dance of dragons between Viserys and Rhaenys it wouldve been the Blacks vs The Reds for sure
@@psychojoe4764 Why are all the first letters in caps lmao.
Rhaenys committing a literal war crime without batting a single eyelash. What a boss
The fact she doesn't seem to acknowledge what she did, no context is given to explain if she had another route of escape and the show doesn't mention this again are really making me worry about the writing in future seasons.
@@user-zv2vm8bd8h Agreed. All we know for sure is that there is an exterior entrance to the Dragonpit that we see many times earlier in the season that Rhaenys chose not to use.
@@AGuyCalledHarry I believe you are right. The large back doors at the back of the Pit are not visible from the inside of the dome so they are probably connected to the underground caverns.
imo this makes her the most evil character in the show so far. maybe aegon is worse due to the depths of his evil, even though its on a smaller scale, but this was just pure evil. sauron would be proud.
@@user-zv2vm8bd8h- It makes me worry about the writing in the show as well, since we all know this event *DOES NOT HAPPEN* in the novel. 🤦🏻♀️🙄 But the show did it anyway, all so they could have some big spectacle... making Rhaenys look terrible, in the process!
They also showed Aemon One-Eye killing Lucerys "on accident" in the next episode. Which was also utter rubbish!
Aemon 100% kills that boy ON PURPOSE in the source material... he even goes back home & BRAGS about it, ffs. He's a psychopath.
Alicent doesn't defend Rhaenyra, or suggest that the council spare her or her children either! In the book she is fully on board w/killing them ALL, cuz she's a vile, bitter, evil woman, who doesn't care that her rapey, alcoholic, murderous son isn't fit to sit the throne. She just doesn't want Rhaenyra getting to.
But the show clearly wants both sides to look "equally bad" so that the fandom can have fun picking their favorite teams in the war. They have Daemon seducing a 15yr old Rhaenyra (something that was only a rumor in the novel), AND show him killing his 1st wife too! Also something he does not do! He was still out fighting in the Stepstones when she died, and he wasn't anywhere near the woman.
If the writers are going to keep making their own fanfiction like this, I'll stop watching... because I already learned my lesson with Game of Thrones & I am NOT enduring that again.
This feels like the equivalent of the "Ned telling Cersei" moment. Emotionally, they are both decisions meant to try and save lives and not be the one responsible for getting people killed. But logically, both are terrible choices that result in a war that will have the entire realm tearing itself apart all because each individual wanted to avoid blood on their hands.
This is why I disliked this scene. This never happened in the books. She just got on Meleys and escaped. I know they were going for something like you're saying but it makes her look like an idiot. I already know as more season come out and tragedies continue happening there's going to be a bunch of "hurhurhur Rhaenys is so dumb for not taking the chance she had." I'm sure I'll still enjoy the show but stuff like this is what makes me begin dividing a character between their book version and their tv counterpart. Like now show Rhaenys is a completely different character in my mind.
@BlitzkriegFeuerFrei I wonder if, given what happens later in the war, this scene is supposed to be what motivates Rhaenys to personally join in the fighting. Since she was in the back of her mind, she knows (especially where season one ended) that she could have stopped all of this from ever happening. So, perhaps season 2 will have her mindset framed as "I have to make up for my mistake"
THIS!!!!!
@@BlitzkriegFeuerFreiif the spectacle was so important, all they needed was to have Sunfire in the hall too. All goes exactly as it does here, only the reason for her not nuking them is that it's a stalemate with two huge dragons.
@@gamerguy19981that could have made sense, but literally the next thing she does after this scene is fly to Rhaenyra, declare for her, and then persuade Corlys to do the same.
It may have made sense if she'd flown to Rhaenyra, told her what had happened and then basically said "this is the situation, fight among yourselves and keep me out of it". But she didn't.
Meleys roar is amazing! That screech that turns to an unbelievably loud roar echoing throughout the dragonpit gave me chills! Great job HOD!!!
I also love how alicents expression as she watches rhanys escape. She’s like “oh fuck. We’re done for.”
The first time since Aegon conquest that the common folk began to fear dragons again.
This scene always gives me chills. It’s just so well done
Rhaenys and Meleys could have ended it all right there with one single word: DRACARYS!!! And all of Rhanerya and Daemon's enemies would have been taken out in one massive fireball! The Greens would have been annihilated and history and future of Westeros would be vastly different. Crazy. Absolutely amazing scene tho.
She is like Nedd Stark, too honourable for her own good.
It would have end NOTHING ! Daeron is still alive and would have make a formidable challenge to her reign with Tessarion and the vast army from the South. The Westerlands would have rebelled immediately after the murder of Tyland Lannister and the Blacks would have simply started the war with the infamous status of kinslayers : they would have lost the support of many lords after a mass murder before fifty thousand witnesses...
@@alessiodandolo1460 Tessarion vs Meleys+Caraxes+Syrax+ Vermax+Arrax+Tyraxes+Moondancer?
What a match
@@sanjaykarthicks1226 No it's Tessarion vs Meleys + Caraxes + a sweet princess too lazy (or too coward) to use a dragon + Four big salamandras. More seriously, dragons aren't everything in a war. There are plenty of other settings. A dragon is not invulnerable, Dorne and the Triarchy have proven. A dragon cannot be in several places at the same time, a dragon cannot feed armies or pay mercenaries. The Greens have more men, more resources, more influence. If the Dance of the Dragons proves anything, it's that owning dragons is no guarantee of safety.
@@alessiodandolo1460 tessarion vs dragons that are years old and one of the fattest (Meleys) do you know not what of you speak of!
Caraxes: So they crowned the whelp eh? What did you say at the coronation?
Meleys: I Said BIIIIIIITCH!
But you actually said the word bitch though right
They have no idea how to handle the power they so desperately seek. Otto screaming to keep the door open and no one is listening. Aegon hiding behind his mother. Pathetic.
Alicent moved in front of her child to shield him. What should Aegon have done, shove his mother aside and jumped at the dragon? Greens knew they couldn't do anything. There was no point but to just wait for Rhaenys to kill them or leave. Alicent followed her motherly instinct by protecting her child.
Maybe you should face a dragon, and then we’ll see how you do. Also, she went in front of him, he didn’t run back and cry behind his mother’s back, hell he stood almost perfectly still the entire time. Also, the person you’re rooting for probably killed dozens of people when she broke through the ground with her dragon, so some food for thought.
@@acrazysheepdog1555 he did cry out behind her and closed his eyes. And they’re royalty they all have blood on their hands. One doesn’t become king or Queen without blood.
Самое ироничное, что драконы зелёных не рвутся защищать своих всадников, как это сделал бы тот же Караксес
I mean neither does Rhaenyra lets be real if the crown was decided by merit it would be Lionel strong, Otto, or Aemond on the throne
Mannnn that particular flavour of exhultation when aegon thrusts his sword, is something unique and awesome
This scene was so stunning, I almost didn’t notice how brave it was…
yes very brave, after she trampled and killed hundreds of small folk and didn't even finish the job of killing the greens rofl
@@lamadoo The comments sections really shows you how nobles and royals did all the horrible things they did in history. Look at them, hundreds of innocent people are killed and all the commentors care about is the drama it causes the Royals.
You could tell there were people in the crowd who still supported Rhaenyra, they were the ones who just stood there without applauding, or who shook their heads.
And they were not spared by the murderess on the dragon.
That little nod from Helaena . . . I have two theories. One, she might have been encouraging Rhaenys to go ahead and fire on all of them. Two, I think she also might have felt some odd satisfaction knowing that her prophecy was true, and there really was a beast beneath the boards.
Didn’t notice that before, she definitely did nod!
If you listen to Helena whenever she’s on screen she predicts what’s going to happen I put it all together when I seen this scene and heard her say there’s a beast beneath the boards
I mean, they're in the dragon pit
If she’s super prophetic and knows where her story is going she probably wanted a quick death then and there lol
The best performance in this scene is Aegon getting pumped when just a few minutes before he was dreading being King. He finally feels important and powerful after his father overlooked him for 20 years . . . it is too good for him to pass up. He is so arbitrary and unfit for the throne and I love it.
People s*** on the Greens and on Aegon, but he is an extremely interesting character and Tom Glynn-Carney does a fantastic job.
And a few minutes later he is hiding behind mommy 😂
@@robertcurtislorenzenjr7153 I loved that- right now he is a coward and a total hedonist. He may grow out of the cowardice . . . the hedonism? Nah. He's gonna be a disgusting shit for as long as he lives lmao.
Yea... I am black but I liked that he was no usurper but was manipulated and forced into it. Cant wait for otto's well deserved queen's justice.
Every single Green character is so well written and interesting to watch.
I'm team Black, but I have to agree, the characters are very well written. I love it.
They really cut Aegon riding Sunfyre scene after corronation and replace it with Rhaenys killing innocent ppl, very great
As unpleasant as Alicent is, you cannot deny she's very much like Cersei when it comes to her children and family. Like Cersei, she knew and understood perfectly well that her sons were monsters, but still defended them with her life. She was certain that they were all going to die here but her first instinct was to get in front of her children and die first. She knew they were no match for a dragon but she still used her body as a shield for them.
But Bruce at what point does a mother realize that defending her monstrous children becomes detrimental to not only her but numerous others? This was the exact same issue Cersei had. Yes she was being a mama bear protecting her cubs but she failed in never making those cubs face accountability and consequences. Look at how Joffrey turned out. Here it is the same with Alicent and her children...especially Aegon who proved to be a terrible king and shamed the Targaeryan name.
@@xyPERSON For the last time, I am not defending their actions, nor am I saying that they were good mothers. I am just emphasizing their love for their children.
@@Brucehumphrey I understand what you are saying Bruce. My point is mothers should not allow their love to blind them to the faults and flaws of their children.
@@xyPERSON I don’t disagree with that. My whole point for this post was to just highlight the love aspect, not the type or quality of mothers they are.
Sure, Alicent loves her children, but, the hypocrisy ruins much of who she is. Like...she's shaming Rhaenyra's children and the entire time I'm thinking do you see these fucked up mutants you raised?! It's always those pointing the finger.
Helaena knows what's going to come for him now when he has that crown on his head, so she looks away.
Она знает, что будет с НЕЙ
Melys and Rhaenys' entrance was badass...
murderous and wasteful yes yes it was.
Helena looking on like "told you...beast beneath the boards 😏"
He is in a building though not beneath boards?
@@kf338 Yeah, don't think it needs to be looked at literally. Besides, the show is leading you to think she was talking about the dragon...the beast beneath the boards that she's really talking about is coming in S2 😏
I think rhaenys is one of my most loved characters
And is
I think shes the dumbest and most evil character in the whole show
She just killed hundreds of civilians
Often the only adult in the room.
@@leedawson8397 this was her least adult moment, turned into a mass murderer and people singing her praises. Shows how sick and twisted humans are.
4:25 compare that to the level of control Aemond has over Vhagar XD
Деймон и Рейнис - лучшие наездники.
Raenys not killing every here is totally in character. She still thinks she can get these idiots to back down and get everything she wants especially since Aegons coronation hardly counts as a grand victory with all those people dead.
Unfortunately, two people here won’t show such mercy in the future with their dragons…
The blacks are evil, rhaenys murdered thousands here.
Aegon will burn these mofos@@matthewriley7826
She killed several hundred people here
I just thought about this. It was almost as if Rhaenys was telling her that she understood her as a mother, and, remember this, you owe me.
Ah yes, nothing endears the commoners to your cause like trampling a bunch of them with your dragon.
Meleys is fucking badass looking bro
Rhaenys didnt really have a good reason not to torch that group of usurpers. Her boy grandkids have her (husband's) name. her girl grandkids have her blood. She has to know they are gonna be pulled into a war for the throne that could claim their lives, and she could have ended it right there.
My favorite thing is how she literally just kills so many people and not a single GOT watcher cares lol the biases
Welcome to game of thrones where a point of the series is how little the upper class cares about the smallfolk
@@Ashbrash1998 But don’t they like the blonde baddies cause they do care? Or are they just smitten with Aryan features?
Everyone cared lol, the fact they thought this was Rhaenys' 'heroic moment' was utter, utter biased BS lmao
It's psychology, you don't identify with the nameless peasants, you identify with the people who got the coolest dragons.
Yeeahh and it makes no sense.... A slaughter of this scale would and should impact the story of Fire and Blood, at the very least the Greens should use it for their war propaganda, but no, probably won't even get a mention next season.
3:53 Look at how Aemond is standing. He's ready to fight a *dragon* to save himself and his family.
And his ass would lose.
@@chalor182 Oh, definitely. But I would've liked to see him try.
He would’ve lose especially if it was just him and rhaeyns.
Once he has his dragon, he’ll teach her the value of finishing what you start.
@@matthewriley7826 she didn't start anything though
For a second I thought the crown looked too big 😂
Daemon, Aemond & Rhaenys are the only viable answers to the question 'Who is your favourite character in HotD?'.
Mekeys us,a gorgeous dragon, very graceful and that huge spikes it has around its head givevit a peculiar look!
the queen who should have been
This scene displays exactly why she should have never even been considered for the throne.
Not being so foolish as this. Best not to have been on the throne
@@robbomegavlkafenryka6158 'You had the temperament to rule', even Rhaenys knew Allicent was failing to BS a BS'er in that scene and this just proves it.
@Robb Omega Vlka Fenryka imprisoned against her will by for blackmail, manages to escape her unjust imprisonment and shows them all she could have ruined them for it but chooses temperance and mercy. Yeah. Totally unfit for a ruler. Lol
@@chalor182 She killed hundreds of innocent, you defend her because she's female.
So many great actors in HOD
Alicent had accepted her fate.
Oh well, evidently you can't die from dragon's breath.
All those innocent people dead but the main big bad guys are left okay 😂😂😂
Great casting for Aegon. He's just as sullen faced as his book counterpart.
Here in Brazil we call that Green's moment of "Trancou o cú" and it sounds like "Locked the asshole" KKKK
It doesn't bother me nearly as much as when I first watched it, where I got the impression that Rhaenys was having Meleys smashing people deliberately, but I'll still be glad to see the consequences of this in one of the later Seasons with the dragon pit.
They FUCKED up the whole story
Why would you want to watch the dragons get slaughtered?! The dragons are forced into these idiotic conflicts by their riders.....
@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 Well apparently dragons are sometimes more intelligent than humans in GOT, said by some people including Tyrion in the show, but overall, dragons and how much they can think is inconsistent.
The fact that Aegon hid behind his mother shows he wasn't strong enough for the throne.
Facts. He coward like the little prince he is. His brother had more balls then him.
Aegon's entrance was dramatic than the dragon destroying the pit
Aegon the Usurper.
She couldve prevented the war right there
Leaving through the floor was the only way to go, lol so dramatic🎉
This dragon is the coolest looking one ever
Caraxes looks much cooler
No Wail till we see Sunfyre! I cannot wait for that
"Cool" is highly subjective. But HOTD's visual effects artists have done splendidly making each dragon unique and distinctive, unlike the GOT dragons.
@@danieldickson8591 that’s there opinion
The way he flew out of.. flappy Bird level 86
I don’t care what anyone says… Rhaenys looks attractive as hell suited up in her dragon rider armor. And I’m 30
Loved this dragon definitely the most intimidating i think.He has like a collar if spikes
She's nicknamed the red queen, for a reason
Glad she didn’t burn them at that moment. If that was the case house Valeria would’ve been at war against the crown.
Rhaenys should have burned them all.
and would have proved before fifty thousand witnesses that the Blacks are worse than Maegor the Cruel. Half of Westeros would immediately rally Daeron to Oldtown, the other half would immediately abandon the cause of Rhaenyra...
That's the ironborn way.
how to destroy any support you could get in the king landing(and possibely a big chunk of the crownlands) in 10 seconds
Otto is a smart man he wasn’t saying open the door for the people he was saying open the door for the Dragon to get out
That one word and the enitre plot for the House of the dragons changes
Now that’s what I call Statement!🔥.
Just one word would have spared their house & the kingdom so much trouble.
Targeryans with dragons: God's
Targaryans without dragons: fodder
When everyone was looking up at meleys and rhenys in disbelief after rhenys decided not to burn them to crisp, rhenys should've been like "SIKE bitch jk... DRACARYS!!!!".. Wasted opportunity
its tragic to see both Daemon and Aemond, second sons who embodied what it meant to be Valyrian Dragonlords, never get the opportunity to rule. Either of them would have built a new Valyria out of Westeros.
As much of a pedo and asshole daemon was, he was badass and definitely fit to rule, aemond would've been a great pick as well.
They were made to conquer, not to rule. If you think they would have made good kings you’ve missed a major point of the entire book series and both shows.
They should have married themselves. That would be an alliance, women will destroy the realm, if you let them.
Do you all know how iconic it would have been if Rhaenys just burned them all right then and there stopping the usurpation before it could even begin?
This is very akin to the end of GOT with Drogon burning down the iron throne, doing something utterly idiotic for the sake of symbolism...
Drogon did symbolism on his own, which is why it was dumb, because dragons dont understand symbolism. Rhaenys was not a mad queen however, she just wants to be left alone.
@@yossi7765 And I'm sure Rhaenyra really appreciated that her aunt didn't put to the flame all the traitors so that the war would be over swiftly and none of her children would be brutally murdered just because she "wanted to be left alone"...Oh wait.
@@CatwithaKnife12 while also murdering countless smallfolk.
In the books, it's a plot point that Tywin isn't loved in Kings Landing because he sacked it like, 17 years prior... This whole sequence should be huge for how the commoners view that side of the conflict, but it just sort of gets glossed over...
@@sebastianwillows @sebastianwillows Clearly killing small folk is not a concern of hers considering how she's most definetly murdered a few hundred of them by bursting out of the floor on dragon back. Regardless of whether yes or no this scene was in the book this scene is idiotic. Both in accords to the character and the story
D&D are proud. Stupid TV entertainment, always killing logic.
Aemond: you are no King!
Can anyone explain to me why they were trying to close the gates instead of open them? Did Rhaenys have a deal with the guards or something?
I think it's just understandable panic.
@@andyhoover8531 lol wut
They were Daemon soldiers.....look at their golden clothing
They were loyal to daemon the gold cloaks I think they were trying to prevent anyone from leaving so rhaenys could kill them and nobody would be able to see if she made that choice. That’s why they weren’t following otto’s orders nor will they in the future. A Hightower tries to take control as leader of the gold cloaks and they just turned around and said “daemon Targaryen gave us these cloaks” we are only loyal to him and kills the Hightower.
I think they were trying to keep Rhaenys from escaping. They received word from the Hightower’s to keep Meraxys and Rhaenys under guard because they didn’t want her to leave and give the Blacks a head’s up. If you rewatch the scene, Rhaenys looks towards the doors as they’re closing it, almost wondering if she’ll make it out in time. Those doors were built for the Dragon Pit- they were reinforced to prevent Dragons like Balerion from escaping.
I can’t stop thinking about sherk
Noncanon stupid scene that never happened in the books.
true i just pretand it didnt happened
Rhaenys is the best character!! ❤
She just killed hundreds.
How many Aegon Targaryens are there? Aegon the conqueror, this dude, Jon Snow.
How much loyalty did the people owe the greens if they were willingly sealing them in with a full grown dragon?
THIS!!!!!!!
Otto pretty clearly ordered not to seal the doors. Also I think the Blacks would get more backlash, considering one of their main supporters just killed hundreds of innocent bystanders in a coronation.
@@adamboh393 they won’t face that backlash at all but the greens did when they killed a lord.
@@adamboh393 but nobody was killed though
Because we didn't see a dead body
I mean, Otto was screaming for them to let the people out while goldcloaks who are known to be loyal to Daemon seal them in while Rhaenys one of Rhaenyra's strongest allys is literally killing them. If I was a peasant, I'd side with the Greens on this one.
I always thought that Aegon the Conqueror's very first crown was a red ruby studded shape ring.
*Tail randomly kills everybody else but kills no main character on the stage*
You can tell Rhaenys by the way she barely opened her mouth to say dracarys.
Cannot wait for Rhaenyra's death scene when killed by Aegon's dragon in front of her own son
She truly fkin deserves it in the show after doing this
Helaena be like: We're all going to die.
This is the baddest bitch thing I have ever seen
DRACARYS them all
Yeah, but that would ignited the war sooner, because the allies of the Greens would march their armies against the blacks after hearing about this, and after all what she lost, Rhaenys wont be the one to throw the first stone, that was a warning shoot, that the Greens didn't listen.
She killed innocents but you like it because it's girl power 🤡
She killed hundreds of of civilians
I don’t know if there’s a comment on this did anyone notice the Gold cloaks shutting the doors on the greens cool to see there loyalty to daemon
It's weird how someone always keeps staring at something specific
So Rhaenys is happy to kill innocents to escape but not kill the people who
1- imprisoned her
2- kill the people who imprisoned her and prevent a war that will save TENS OF THOUSANDS of lives.
Spectacle over substance was one of the biggest issues people had with the latter seasons of game of thrones. And before anyone thinks to say “her respect for Alicent as a mother stopped her” just think how many mothers she’s just killed trying to escape. Such a BS ending to an otherwise superb episode and amazing season so far.
Nobles don't care about the lives of the smallfolk.
@@Letkharable maybe not, but they care a lot less about the lives of the people who held them captive. Fact.
yeah, i agree, this was a weird narrative. it's obviously cool or whatever, but she definitely could have done something more noteworthy like burn a fleet, take out the gates, or damage the dragonpit.
When dragons get involved almost always innocents die.
To be fair she tried to convince her husband not to declare for either side. She wanted to stay out of it completely and just move on with her life.
I have a bias, but I loved this scene. Is it problematic? Yes. Do I care? No.
You cannot say Alicent didn’t love her kids she stepped in from to Aegon though that would do little to protect him
Im so glad cole gets mercked in the books
Should have burned the greens to crisp
If Aegon ii was Maegor the cruel, Aegon iii would’ve been in sunfyre’s belly.
It wasn’t escaping she chose to kill people instead of going to the exit we saw in episode 1
Who doesn't love adulation. Nice play Otto.
wait wait wait how did a dragon break out of an enclosure specifically built to hold dragons inside???
Dragons can't be controlled... They were living as there
Shoulda, woulda, coulda…
When facing death by dragon, Aegon the elder hid behind his mummy.
Rhaenyra will die as a true dragon as her son cries for his mummy.
Team Rhaenyra. The Queen who rightfully was.
To think...one simple "dracarys" could have ended/prevented everything 😅
I don't fear Rhaenys or her dragon. I give the dragon, in german we say "Maulkorb". This is why a dragon can't breath
I'd have burned them all.
They will blame Rhaenys killing civillians on patriarchy
Coolest scene of either series! 😁
Look at that smug face of Otto watching the masses cheering at his proud cynical eyes
Glad that Rhaenys ruined his moment lol
Why is no one calling her mad rhaenys? How many people did she just kill to do nothing but be dramatic
Where is the golden dragon sigil ?
Why did she went through all that trouble entering the throne room killing a number of people on the way and not give the killing blow to the group of people that matters?
Wow... just wow... I think Rhaenys is now my least favourite character in the show. Its such a dumb moment and it truely shows that the writers didnt understand one of the main themes of the story. The small folk is so important in the books but here they dont even care about it. I hate it