Alicent Hightower Demands An Eye For An Eye | House of The Dragon | Max
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- Alicent (Olivia Cooke) and Rhaenyra (Emma D'Arcy) go head to head over defending their children after Aemond loses an eye.
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I think Rhaeenyra's "Thank you, father" really pushed Alicent over the edge 😆
yup
Fr. I was UNDERSTANDING Rhaenyra until then. But using Father to rub it in Alicent and Aemond's wound made me believe how EVIL she is.
@@rohanshende4338 like alicent didnt want a kid's eye just so SHE can feel better
What's really tragic about all this is that Alicent & Rhaenyra were once good friends when they were younger.
@@rohanshende4338 Wow, that's a whole lot of stupid in one sentence.
Daemon’s like, “I’m finally not the source of the family drama. Neat.”
😂😂😂😂😂😂
True
🤣🤣🤣🤣
“Hahahah it’s funnier because you’re kids started it on both sides” 😭
"Aemond, look at me."
Really Viserys?
as his son has a freshly slandered eye
with the only eye he has left 😉
@@rovanajean9550Viserys loses half his face, not long after.
@@roddo1955Karma
“Do not mourn me, mother. It was a fair exchange. I may have lost an eye… but I gained a dragon.”
-Aemond.
The bloodslayer
Years Later:"GIVE ME YOUR EYE FOR PAYMENT OF MINE.".
Luc:"Bro, you said it was a fair trade!".
The coolest character to ever graced the show.
your repulsive eye is not worth 1 mm of that dragon pls.
@@RicePho if you maybe learn to pay attention, Aemond said it is for his mother, not for him. You are welcome.
I do like the fact Aemond loved alicient for this he was 100% devoted to her when he got older.
Absolutely made an imprint on him. As you can tell when he searches for Aegon. Family and duty go hand in hand.
@@Ganggangbuzzbuzz In the books, Aemond may have been married to Alys Rivers from House Strong but Aemond also had a little bit of feelings for Alicent. The Targaryen house really have a ton of incest in their blood. 🤣
@@peytonsmith1062 would not expect less then GRR to use an Oedipus complex on characters. That silver hair comes with crazy. Strong boys got the good genes.
@@peytonsmith1062 cant blame himm, alicent is hot
He's not tho lmao why do you think that?
Manifesting Alicent's hair
It’s definitely a wig but yeah
It’s so fluffy, the makeup department slayed
Alicents hair is always on point.
Samesies
@@Vashtibucket one of the better wigs of the cast tbh, some of them were horrendous. but from the teasers released for s2 it looks like they improved so i'm excited
I'm beginning to notice just how smart Aemond and Aegon were during this scene. When questioned by Viserys, Aemond obviously lies, redirecting the blame to Aegon. He knew there wasn't much the king would do to him so guaranteed immunity. Also Aegon generalizing his answer, 'everybody knows,' brilliant stuff. Everybody really did know, I mean, Rhaenyra didn't even try. His response was honestly such a checkmate.
both brothers instantly knew what viserys was doing too-he wanted them to throw alicent under the bus by naming her as the source of the "hearsay" to flip the table on her and probably punish her instead (or worse, get rid of her).
Wow I just notice that, they refused to throw their mother and they knew what each other was thinking
Yeah. I hate when people call Aegon stupid or an idiot. He evidently wasn't. He was a lot of things but definitely not dumb.
"Rhaenyra didn't even try" it's not her fault the kids looked more like their father than her. She had to have heirs and it's unfair to expect her to remain celibate and childless her whole life.
@@akshitarai1380 His response here truly floored me during my rewatch. Couldn't believe how quick on his feet he was with that, it was a perfect answer really. He diffused a bomb with that one lol
Alicent has such a complex relationship with her children. This was one of the scenes showing her raw maternal instinct, despite her resentment.
We haven't met Daeron yet but so far Aemond seems to be her favorite.
@@gig7932I thought Helaena is her favorite.
@@garlantyrell6368 she loves Heleana but doesn't really understand her.
I think she wouldn’t act like this if it wasn’t rheanyra (the heir of the throne) kids.
@@user-tc5fv4cg8iLets be honest it wasn't really about the eye, it was about Rhaenyra always getting away with everything, even though im team black i think Alicents anger is completely justified
Olivia Cooke cooked in this! She is gorgeous too!
Lol simp
She's incredible
She Cooked
And She Served! Perfectly! 💯
She definitely cooked olives in here
That “thank you, father” will always hit, Rhaenyra is the queen of provocation
honestly she ate with that "thank you, father" lmao i was gagged 😭
As she should, Aliflop could never
@@engeltjie_engelbrechtAegon will put rhaenyra in her place
@@nebullaenot as much as sunfyre who munches daddy’s little spoiled girl lmao
What are these comments? So just to double check you guys agree that Rhaenyra was spoiled rotten by her father her entire life shielding her from the consequences of her actions at every turn punishing OTHERS who tried to even bring those consequences to term while he was alive which warped her value system to believe her own personal wants came before andal culture and the law of the land as well as the people triggering the dance? Like tf it's like you guys implicitly understand but either don't care or you don't want to understand the implications of your comments.
He said "your king demands an answer" to his son... No wonder Alicent snapped.
Viserys didnt even ask if his son was ok after losing an eye.
Still Black supporters say why her kids accepted their mom's house colour and not their dad's..
@@rituparnamarik3185 istg black supporters scare me, the lack of conscience is actually scary. Greens are by far the most sane in terms of law. Supporting rhaneyra who has always been a brat- smh.
Yup because they never had a dad@@rituparnamarik3185
I think it's pretty obvious he wasn't ok lmao
Yeah it seems viserys doesn't really love hid kids by Alicent and ..and in one of the episodes viserys told Rhaenyra his only child
Alicent can't stand how Rhaenyra uses her power and influence to get away with anything while she can't do anything despite being the queen.
No she understands and it infuriates her
In westeros, like in medieval Europe, the wife of a king is respected as the wife of the king and mother of the heir but she isn't a ruler in her own right or even the heir. She is, to put it crudely, just a brood mare. Alicent's problem was she thought being a queen by marriage made her equal or superior to Rhaenyra. She wasn't. The heir takes precedent over the
@@Sptl8qq She wasn't trying to stab her. She was trying to stab one of the bastards cause her husband was a deadbeat who wanted his favourite child to come on top. Like seriously, imagine losing your eye and then your dad comes to see you for a few seconds max before fixating on the obviously more favoured sibling over the same topic all over again. Viserys sucks. Good man, terrible father, weak king.
@@captaindeadpool313 Nyra's sons aren't bastards
Alocent literally made rhaenyra walk to her after birthing a child. She is perfectly capable of her power. Rhaenyra a victim.
i think a lot of people watch this and think that Cole was going to cut out Luke's eye, but he actually refuses her. When she orders him to do it and reminds him that he's her sworn shield, he just reminds her that he's just her protector. I think it's interesting because despite Cole willingness to do anything for his Queen, he refuses her this.
I think it speaks to how Alicent and Criston's friendship and bond is based around decency and good prevailing and holding each other accountable. She made him watch his language, he holds back because he knows that this isn't her, she'll regret violence done in her name when she's free from the horrors of the moment.
Yup I always interpreted it as I'm sworn to you as your PROTECTOR not your child Butcher
Exactly, Idk how people got confused about that
@@bolxonsAlicent and Cole's friendship is also based on their mutual hatred for Rhaenyra's privileges.
@@leonardohenrique5172 I think it's because of the commander's phrases "don't, Ser Criston" and "stay your hand, Cole". From these words, it may seem that he also thought that Cole was going to attack Luke or Rhaenyra, but I always thought (and I'm pretty sure this is the right interpretation) that he was coming to protect Alicent, or to stop her to do the madness.
Imagine losing an eye and no one asks you if you are okay. If it was some scar to the hand then it would be bad but a different story. Crippled for life is not fair for claiming a dragon despite what he said. He was trying to comfort the only woman who had the spine to stand up for him. Everybody else was spineless.
Best scene of the season. Showing the dynamic between rhaenyra and alicent perfectly. 🖤❤️💚🐉
Best scene was the family dinner imo and the pig joke
I really would've preferred if they previously used the line Rhaenyra says "He must be Sharply Questioned" because the general viewer might not even know that it means torture. It would've made Alicent's actions here even more justifiable, seeing as how Rhaenyra wanted Aemond to be tortured despite the fact that the kid just lost his eye 💀
Rhaenyra was never that blood thirsty towards the greens in the beginning. It would've been inaccurate portrayal of her character. She only truly spirals when the greens (get💀) Luke and ageon decide to throw a feast to celebrate.
@@theeviperxinaccurate they completely whitewashed her
@@kap2652So they did with Alicent and the greens
@@Chasingdreams25 I know and I dislike it what they doing to alicent is crazy she all over the place
@Chasingdreams25 Show Alicent is responsible for much more deaths in the show than in the book, the Dyana scene in the show is a show only invention, the scene where Rhaenyra walks with her child immediately after giving birth is also a show only invention. So what exactly was being whitewashed.
Olivia Cooked and ATE
If Aegon and Aemond didn't already believe that Rhaenyra was a threat to them then this scene completely hammered it in. Not only is their half sister completely unremorseful about the incident but she wants Aemond to be 'sharply' questioned over speaking mere facts?? This is the moment the two brothers started seeing sense in Alicent's paranoia. Nobody ever cared for them so the greens decided right there and then to stick together.
And for those that don't know, sharply questioned means torture in GRR Martin speak. He uses it multiple times in the books.
Aemond’s slanders are a direct threat to Rhaenyra and the kids, they could be executed for it, Lord Lyonel literally said this to Harwin, so if anything, it makes perfect sense that Rhaenyra would use sharply questioned as a threat back. Her and her kids’ lives are on the line. She’s fighting for them as you would fight for your own kids and as Alicent would fight for hers.
@@CaptainPikeachu You see, your argument holds no ground here cause Rhaenyra is the one that drew attention to her sons claim in this scene. She could've aplogized to Aemond or maybe punished her kids but no, in true Rhaenyra fashion she had to make it all about her. So no op, this wasn't about her protecting her kids, this was her getting her daddy to silence everybody. She didn't care if her already maimed half brother got tortured, her aim was self preservation.
@@CaptainPikeachuViserys is a very ignorant person, but he would have never executed his grandchildren even if they were bastards, especially not his daughter, so their lives were never on the line. He only should have excluded them from the inheritance, which would have made both him and his daughter look fools, which he wanted to avoid at any cost.
His unquestionable love and favoritism was only towards his daughter and her family, the rest his wife, his other children never mattered to him. Like literally...
No wonder that except Alicent none of them shed a single tear on his death, since he never loved them only saw them as bother, as a surplus.
@@A_divisive_scarecrow
I agree a 100% with you, Viserys only cares about Rhaenyra and no one else, he showed that he is a bad father to his other children and that he has favoritism towards her.
And I'm also 100% with Alicent too, any mother would do anything for her children.
She cared about Aemond when no one else did and she showed that she was a good mother after all.
She is my favorite character 💚👑
My heart is fully with Alicent in this scene. Any mother would have reacted like this or worse. The king should have found a way to comfort Aemond.
He only looked at Aemond to question him, kinda shows how little he cares about them 😔
So you're green
Agree. I mean he could've at least asked Aemond how did it hurt him or asked someone to deal with his eye?😅
@@atreyos9449 there are people watching this show not for sake of taking a side
@@atreyos9449 trust me, anyone who is black is only doing it because they think daemon and rhanyra are badass not because theyre morally right or even lawful. stop hating on the greens lol
Everyone states the obvious which is "well even if she's right you still can't demand for a child's eye" but misses the POINT, which is that she never would've been pushed to that point if Viserys had showed concern for his son and given Luke a SUITABLE punishment. His weakness, coupled with his clear indifference to his second family, made Alicent absolutely lose it. This is the result of years of neglect, not just one incident. Add to all of this the fact that these kids were forced on Alicent, by Otto and by VISERYS, who got married to a young girl to strengthen his line of succession (and ruined her life in the process) then when she gave him everything he wanted (a son) he ended up treating them like an expendable second family.
Exactly.
Finally someone understood the fabric of this family.👍🏻💯
"Given luke a suitable punishment" Aemond literally pulled out a knife and could have killed the kids after stealing vhagar (the dragon of the dead mother which adds further insult to injury). Watch the scene where Aemond escalates the fight. Suitable punishment? Imagine trying to give Arya and the starks "suitable punishment" because of the harm done to joffrey, but completely disregarding joffreys fault in the whole situation. Come on dude
What are you saying? When did aegon pull out any knife? That was Jace. @@__-gf3zn
@@__-gf3zn where did Aemond pull a knife? lol they pulled a knife on HIM, after jumping at him 4 vs 1 mind you.
The way the whole room gaslighted Alicent. I’d do the exact same if my child lost an eye and his father did nothing. Love Alicent and Olivia’s performance
They also gaslighted by minimising the violence of Aemond, they pretty much had no choice but to take his eye out, it was reactionary.
@@jabthejedihad no choice? Aemond was ganged up on 4 against 1, didn't throw the first punch and didn't have a knife
@@GoldenRose116he was about to kill one of them with a rock
@@tacot-rex3386 When he was stabbed he was blinded, and before that he lowered the rock. And Jace tried to stab him multiple times already..
@@GoldenRose116 he stole their dragon, which doesn't seem to be mentioned at all. And they were all tiny and he started sending out thorough abuse!
2:37 Aemond looks disappointed and Alicent noticed
the look on his face when he realized he will never mean something to his father…and alicent also realizing he will never care about her children the way he cares about rhaenyra…it literally broke my heart😭
@@sofia-ou3uf yea I watched this back in 2022 but I never even noticed that part, I think Alicent saw Aemond’s disappointment which makes this scene even sadder.
His look made me so sad.
@@sofia-ou3uf Yes!!! That breaks my heart 🥺💔
Telling him to look at me when he just lost an eye is diabolical
The acting , the script , the cinematography and the editing is peak perfection in this part . The tension between Rhaenyra and Alicent was so good , both actress give strong performances in this episode 🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲 .
100th like
People cannot gaslight me into thinking Alicent was in any way wrong here. Mfs truly saying “yes my son started a fight with your son ending in him cutting out your sons eye but your son said something mean so we need to torture him over it”
her son questioned the legitimacy of her rule, and her children's blood, which would be TREASON, which would mean DEATH for Rhaenyra AND HER CHILDREN. you wanna talk about gaslighting, but you gaslight as well, so let's just not even go there, ok? this is a show about deeply damaged people, no one is right, and no one is wrong, they're all just fighting for their lives in these power struggles, it's not about who's right or wrong, it's a story, showing the brutality of the world they live in and their very human reactions to their circumstances. no more, no less.
@@carlyofearth And who exactly would have ended their lifes? Viserys? No worst case scenario something similar to what happend to Saera Targaryen would have happened to Rhaenyra. Being stripped of her title and being disinherited.
Saera Targaryen has many illegitimate children. They even were present at the great council of 101 that you saw in episode one. And they were unharmed. The problem was that Rhaenyra lied for so long and pretended they were legitimate.
So the problem weren't the children or sleeping with Harwin, the lying was.
So attempting to maim a child is not "in any way wrong?"
@@patches5681 she attempted to maim Rhaenyra after Rhaenyra got her kids to avoid all punishment for cutting out Alicent’s sons eye
One was children fighting, the other was a vindictive woman seeking revenge mostly because of her jealousy
I feel bad for both Aemond and Alicent because Alicent realizes Rhaenyra can get away with whatever she wants, and Aemond realizes his own father doesn't give a sh** about him
It works for Alicent too.
@Ashbrash1998 The only thing she got away with was making Aegon King so far
@@snake_girl_117 "The only thing she got away with was illegally usurping the throne and helping to start a civil war where hundreds of thousands die"
Yeah man. Alicent's actions in regards to stealing Rhaenyra's throne is so much worse than anything Rhaenyra does in her entire life.
@doghat1619 I don't know about that they both have done things, and having Aegon on the throne was a misunderstanding, not knowing what viserys was talking about was her fault definitely
@@doghat1619 Even though I'm a feminist I think Aegon's claim was stronger because Visery's never altered the succession laws even after Alicent bore his sons. This put Rhenarya's claim into question and endangered Aegon and Aemond.
One scene in which I can understand Alicent. She has every reason to be mad
Emma was also very much offended with this scene..she was totally supporting Alicent..note- I'm talking about Emma not Rhaenyra..
How so my love cause alicent’s child started it and she knows they are not good people
@@Thusi_sphelelelmaoo Aemond fought 1 vs 5 and u blame on him? He was stabbed FROM HIS EYES jesus
@@demirkazanasmaz6097 do you blame them how dare he claims a dragon that was suppose to be one of Damon’s daughters
@@demirkazanasmaz6097 he didn’t deserve what they did to him in this matter I feel like everyone was selfish and acted out of anger aemond had no right to claim that dragon and Damon’s daughter were not suppose to start that fight
In the book “a knight of the seven kingdom” Duncan says sharply questioned means torture. Rhanerya says Aemond must be sharply questioned at 0:10 and his reaction gets me every time
All over an insult…like thats your little brother who just lost an eye and you want him tortured over calling your kids what they are?
They don't hold that meaning in the scene though. Because even Alicent isn't that concerned when it's brought up. Like nobody in the room reacted as if Thae asked her brother to be tortured because it wasn't that at all.
one character saying something one time, in a time period that takes place after the dance of the dragons doesn't mean Rhaenyra was saying Aemond should be tortured.
She just means questioned, she isn't saying her brother should be tortured.
@@doghat1619it's not a one time thing? I can recall at least 3 more times. This phrase means only torturing in the Westeros.
@@Ashbrash1998 If Alicent wasn't particularly concerned, then why was her response "Over an insult?"
This scene is what makes Aegon and Aemond turn against their sister
Alicent had been telling them for years that she was their enemy bla blah but they never really believed it
Now Aemond has HAD HIS EYE CUT OUT, his own father won't even ask him how he is. All he cares about are damages to his daughter's reputation, as she gaslights the entire room into believing her lies
"All he cares about are damages to his daughter's reputation"
Tell me you don't understand the world of Westeros without telling me you don't understand the world of Westeros.
@@sdghtjsdcgsif we’re going by standards of the world of Westeros, he should care more about his firstborn son no? Let’s not pick and choose favorites and standards.
@@sdghtjsdcgsas*holes are a*sholes.
On Earth or in Westeros
@@neneray310 His firstborn son died over a decade ago. Aegon is second born. The only person Aegon is a first born son to is Alicent. Regardless, the child missing his eye is Aemond. Third born son of King Viserys, second born son of Alicent. The life of a cherished daughter is, for ill or good, more valued than the life of a third born son of a second wife.
Your comment is at best intellectually dishonest and at worst deceitful. Aegon is the first born son of Viserys Targaryen. As he's the first born living son. Thats whats meant when people say first borns second borns etc. As YOU KNOW and in culture tradition first borns are of more significance particularly first born sons are more signifcant than daughters. But Viserys doesn't care about the culture of tradition of his people as he's a bad king@@alexladon9757
I'm really happy to see how people in this comment section talk sense..
Unlike twitter…
The actor kids are so adorable. I will never forget them.
Such a misunderstood scene, I stand with Queen Alicent. What a horrifying situation to be placed in as a mother (and as a child in the case of her children) realizing that the man who married you and the man who brought you into the world has never and will never care about you.
Same Alicent is genuinely a good woman and a good mother shame Viserys was neither a good man nor a good king
@@MrMinevision1 A good woman? Are you alright? Viserys was quite good actually for a Targaryen.
Yeah I'm alright. Yup a good woman. You can make mistakes and still be a good woman what makes a woman good is her mentality which leads to her character and her actions in general. The character of alicent is dutiful honor bound understanding of the law and sacrifice.She's not spoilt and puts the needs of the realm usually above herself. She cares for her children yes and is willing to defend them to the death as any good mother should. Viserys was a terrible king the thing is people like you can't distinguish as his ACTIONS led to the singular worst catastrophy for the targaryen dynasty@@wisepalaz
As well as the destabilisation of the realm to a higher degree and the death of many of his family members. He truly is a failure in every sense of the word as a king.Now a MAN is debatable but ultimately I'd conclude him to be a bad one too but my stuffs already getting long so I'll cut this short.@@wisepalaz
@@wisepalazviserys was a weak man and king
“This is the highest of treasons”
Calling your kids what they are: bastards is treasonous but having 3 obvious bastards isn’t?
But Rhaenyra would never admit that her sons are bastards. But even then, she shouldn't torture her brothers over an insult even if Rhaenyra's children were indeed Valeryions.
She's so fcking spoilt. Like shut up and actually listen to yourself woman??
Aegon has countless bastards. But that's ok right?
Exactly. Why do you think it's ok? Being held to different standards because of your gender. Instead of bad mouthing her we should have sympathy for her as she is constantly undermined and hated despite acting no differently to her male counterparts. Aegon is a disgusting excuse for a human but that's alright cause he's a man?
@@sen.m7832he's not trying to pass them as trueborn heirs to the throne though. Like I hate aegon, but that's not the same situation
"Look at me" he says, to his son who mere moments ago lost his peripheral vision 👴
“Exhausting isn’t it?”
THE GASLIGHTING!!
Ironically that line applies to rhaenyra as well.
@@Groovybihahow so? Rhaenyra seems to use her position better to get some kind of freedom as a woman in that world, does she arrogantly or blindly play with it? Yes.
But I don't see how alicent isn't self righteous, just because she's a even bigger victim of the patriarchal society, doesn't mean she isn't self righteous or handling her anger the wrong way.
She's jealous and spiteful towards rhaenyra not suffering the same way as she does, but she, just like cersei, still goes along with patriarchy in her own way. (obviously she never had the options rhaenyra did, but they're both finding their own wrong way of dealing with those problems)
It makes no sense either, it's like the writers just want to pretend like Rhaenyra's ideals clashing with Alicent are of equal merit, so they have her mischaracterize Alicent as "hiding behind her self-righteousness" or whatever, when that line makes no sense.
One minor oddity in a fantastic scene.
Rhaenyra tried to gaslight the entire realm with her *three* bastards. Can't stand her, Alicent is 100% in the right.
@@FlowerTrollSan if the opposite of it would lead to the killing of her children out of a wedlock, then I can't see how Alicent wouldn't have done the same: protect her children
I can't wait for the topic of this fandom's discourse to move from "did the 10yo deserve to be jumped by four other kids and get maimed" to "did the six year old deserve to be beheaded in front of his mother and siblings and his sister threatened with rape"
(Sarcasm.)
That the Blood and Cheese scene you're on about? Its gonna be pretty shocking for show watchers 😅
idk how many times i watched this scene. i would click it every time i see on my feed.
In addition to her son being maimed, Alicent’s real beef with Rhaenyra is that she has constantly flouted their society’s expectations for women and gotten away with it for years. Meanwhile, Alicent has been everything a true lady and queen should be, yet it’s gotten her no real power or guaranteed the future of her children. Whatever issues they have with each other - and there’s hardly a shortage - the larger point being made here is that strong-minded women can never truly win as long as society doesn’t accept them.
#Hallows4 You are exactly right. Rhaenyra never wanted a life of servitude and she sought freedom from that by taking lovers which was frowned upon. Alicent on the other hand decided to be dutiful and live like Ladies were expected to. She had the chance to seek the kind of freedom like Rhaenyra did. Not sure if you were referring to Alicent or Rhaenyra as strong -minded
@@2Duv4Luv They are both very strong minded, make no mistake about that. What neither of them realized in time is how far those around them were willing to go to secure their own power. Rhaenyra felt utterly devastated and betrayed when Aegon was crowned behind her back, and even though Alicent backed her son to the hilt, she was genuinely disgusted when the Small Council plotted to assassinate Rhaenyra. The childhood friends still has feelings for each other, and despite Alicent’s distaste for her husband, forcibly removing his beloved daughter from the equation was something she knew Viserys would never condone.
this. i could never understand why anyone would choose blacks over greens. it is only because of daemon being a badass im sure but people failing to see the plight of alicent and choosing rhanyra is so sad. goes to show how society works.
Precisely correct.@@megha9789
Cloak of your own righteousness. AKA you have gotten away with so much while I have suffered. Rhaenyra’s response gives insight to how we saw Alicent in ASOIAF. Love this very intense scene
I hate Rhaenyra here. Alicent was made to feel like she was insane for being upset that her son had HIS EYE GOUGED OUT
the gaslighting Alicent experienced in this scene was ridiculous
Even Emma Darcy who play Rhaenyra was on Alicent's side on this scene, that says a lot
I hate Rhaenyra period
Wait until season 2, you'll hate her more
Rhaenyra is also trying to stop her children being killed for having the wrong dad. She did what she had to do.
Daemon over there in the corner like "please just give me a reason. ONE reason."
The lack of empathy the general public has for her will never not floor me.
you ARE the general public
Well, she stole the throne from the rightful heir...
General public= team Black lol
@@ud1819 yes the general public is team black (as they should be, the throne is Rhaenyra’s) but the way they talk about Alicent is consistently disgusting and lacking nuance
@@zevphe I agree. They fail to think that she was a submissive, motherless teenage girl when she was married off to Viserys. She had absolutely no say in it. Once a person enters a new relationship and a new role, the behaviour shift is inevitable due to a changed dynamic with others. Despite that, she behaved properly, as a queen should (episode 3-5). People tend to forget that there were 10 years of her seeing Rhaenyra enjoying and exploiting her privileges as the heir to the throne. She performed duties after duties all while seeing her son struggle with loss of an eye, her husband wither away and her two eldest children seemingly unhappy in a forced marriage, just like she was. Nobody is linearly wrong in this story. Everyone is a victim of their circumstances. And I feel Alicent, more than the others.
Aegons reaction 😂
Me?🤣🤣🤣🤣
Alicent had every right to want revenge for his maimed boy
Not by suggesting and eye for an eye.
Too bad she has no control.
We support her sentiment but not the desired outcome.
Rhaenyra: I could not find sleep, I'd gone out to walk
Daemon: I'm the walk
Alicent snapped cause she finally realized that no matter what happened Viscerys would always take Rhaenrya side
Seriously redeemed the whole franchise with one season. Season 2 of HOTD cant get here soon enough.
This show, great as it is, in no way redeems the nose dive / train wreck of game of thrones. Be serious.
Its more like forgiven but never forgotten at the least. Keep in mind many cut the show halfway so they have more cause to be livid.
“Exhausting isn’t it?”....
I know that a lot of people noticed how brilliant the writing was for this particular scene. Rhaenyra was obviously gaslighting Alicent with those remarks. It’s true though what Alicent complained. She was abiding to her duties as a queen while Rhaenyra has been dodging the consequences of her bad actions by using her father’s affection
The writers prefer Rhaenyra.
She wasn’t gaslighting her. Alicent was abusing her for 10 years.
You can't blame Alicent for her actions in this scene, her son lost an eye and the king ignored it; the worst part is that if Aemond had taken Luke's eye, Viserys would've punished him.
Aemond literally was about to use a rock and smash it on Rhaena and Baela
I blame her for wanting to gouge out another child’s eye just because “eye for an eye”. A queen shouldn’t act irrational like that especially with dozens and dozens of people in the same room. Also blame her for starting the Dance with her “misunderstanding”
@@jaredgalarza yeah but in Aemond semi-defense was beaten up on a 4 vs 1, after Rhaena lunged at him and Baela suckered punched him
Exactly wtf
cap @@jaredgalarza
I’m team black but I can understand Alicent in this scene.
I still dont understand how everyone more consent about aemond losing eye. Dud stealing strongest dragon.
@@Lynn-jg7hxa dragon can’t be stolen
@@mariia099 sorry if wrong, as far i know if dragon has rider it cant be stolen, but riderless dragon can
@@Lynn-jg7hx dragons aren’t inherited, they’re claimed. anybody has a right to them
@@mariia099 yes but i think it just half true. Even tho evryone can claim a dragon and dragon will not always pick tagaryen, most of case its have been monopolied by tagaryen. Iirc rhagar should be go to tagaryen princess since her previous owner is their mom. Also daemon kinda pissed and scared when he know aemond taking vhagar
Ask yourself, if you where in Aemond's shoes would you refrain from retaliating when one has been attacked or insulted. Think about it, losing an eye is not something you would forget.
And defending yourself from being hit in the head with a rock?
That's wrong ain't it?
@@thomasbullinsmaybe don’t attack people
@@thomasbullins If I was being attacked by 4 people, a rock is the least I get to defend myself from.
For those who have no clue of the event. Aemond didn't throw the first punch, the girl did, and it's four against one, but one of them has a knife, what would you do? Picking up the rock, or be defenseless.
@@thomasbullins Aemond was attacked and everything he did after that was self-defense in fact he never uses the rock he just threatens with it.
This scene made me go from neutral to Green. Alicent for the win
Viserys loved Rhaenyra and her kids more than his sons and daughter from Alicent.
Viserys made it known he loved rhaenyra more, its combination of guilt and love for his first wife. He ONLY remarried to strengthen his bloodline
@@theeviperx And then doesn't actually care for his children with her.
@danika9411 I think he does care for his other children, but he has a clear favourite because of the love and guilt of his first wife. Rhaenyra reflects her mother, his late wife. So that places her in higher regard than his other children.
Aemond: “…it was Aegon”
Aegon: “Me…”
XD XD XD XD
Anyone who’s an older brother knows EXACTLY what that “Me…” feels like.
At least Aegon went with it to protect his brother and mother, we never see that side of him but we will definitely see it next season
People were so mad and acted like she was hysterical, but she really was not… 🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾
people think they will act better
@@dieforwenqingliveformengzo3241 bingo
It's been over year: everyone can admit they'd all react like Alicent if they were in her shoes
yes
No I would not demand a child's eye be cut out. Nor try to cut it myself. What's wrong with you
No lol wtf speak for yourself…
I certainly wouldn't undermine my husband's child from his first marriage lol
Absolutely. In this moment I don’t think alicent was thinking. She was just so angry
Certain people watch this scene and the one before with their eyes closed I swear.
I see what you did there
this made me support the greens.
They can never make me hate Alicent for this, she had every right
This scene was so intense watching it for the first time. The actors went all out in this, definitely one of the best scenes in the show.
Olivia Cooke ate 🙌🏾
Rhaenyra is just gaslighting everyone in that room. Alicent was justified in her anger.
Great acting by Rhys Ifans at 5:11. He goes on to say this in a later scene but you can read it in his face here. He's proud.
An apology for an eye isn’t fair😂😂😂
I mean there wasn't any apology to begin with😂
Don't worry. Aemond took his due
Yeah but a whole big dragon is a fair exchange for an eye.
@@user-tc5fv4cg8i He shouldnt have lost an eye for claiming the dragon. It was wrongfully taken and had nothing to do with the dragon.
What apology? It was nothing for an eye
What's interesting to point out is they're both crying but clearly for different reasons
They could never make me hate you Alicent Hightower ❤
Emma’s acting is just on another level, i love when she says: you will do no such thing
She was standing on business
Olivia's too
Disagree, she's so emotionless most of the time, unless she's birthing something. That close up shot of her face with the knife in front of her lol, no shock, no mix of fear or worry or anything?? Just straight up robotic acting.
I mean, it's good acting if you're going for an emotionless zombie, but it doesn't fit the character of Rhaenyra whatsoever. Bad casting. Alicent genuinely feels like an older version of young Alicent. Can't say the same for Rhaenyra.
@@asimhussain8716 haha totally disagree with you. but that’s your opinion.
This scene officially made me root for the greens,especially aemond
Best scene from the show!
My green queen
Why is that? Genuinely trying to understand
@@enbykenz i find her sympathetic. She is in a sucky situation yet she always tries to do what is right.
She gets treated like crap by Viserys, Rhaenyra and Otto, so it is amazing when she pushes back against them
She is also super loyal to the people important to her, i admire her bravery and love for her children. And lets be real she is a fashion icon
I don’t
@@kap2652 i feel sorry for you that you got bad taste, it happens 💚
@@GoldenRose116 i favor team green more so it’s not bad taste she beautiful nobody can deny that I just don’t like what they doing to alicent character in the show book alicent way better you seen the trailer for season 2 having alicent plunge herself into water alicent
in the show all over the place she say one thing and do another they made her so annoying alicent should have left old annoying alicent by end of season 1 she should boss up
Viserys the peaceful ❌
Viserys the dumb ✅
Finally someone said it
@@inescastro2780 We all know, homie. Look at him -aegon ii
That scene really proves why Rhaenys should have been the queen.
as good as the viserys as the king. he was very biased towards his daughter and doesn't do justice well.
@@TheGoodLucnah Rhaenys is worse than Viserys, her arrogance and idiocracy doomed the house Velaryon which proves why Viserys was a more worthy successor.
Rhaenyra choosing to handle the situation this way changed the way I percieved her character. Alicent's kid lost an eye and she decides to make it about her children's inheirtance being questioned, and almost seems to be smug about getting away with no punishment whatsoever. She says she doesn't want war with the hightowers but is paranoid about it and constantly does actions that shows she is threatened by them. It is a miracle Alicent didn't decide to secretly plot a takedown before Visery's Death. Me personally I'd be all for it after this scene alone.
I agree with you entirely! Rhaenyra has always been spoilt and entitled but this scene took it to a whole new level. I mean, she showed ZERO remorse and then she had the audacity to make it all about her and her sons?? Like lady, everybody knows your kids are bastards, mad at Aemond for stating the obvious??
@@LivsWings_ Exactly!
aemond called helaena their future queen before this scene happened. she told aegon that he would be king and everyone knows it in the episode prior and was adamant on aegon challenging rhaenyra despite him not wanting to. she was trying to convince viserys that rhaenyra’s children were illegitimate so they she would be disinherited and banished. larys, his father and viserys all pointed out how how badly this would end up for rhaenyra and her kids if it were true. she was already planting the seeds.
and when rhaenyra walked in the first thing she heard was baela saying aemond was trying to kill jace. all those years of her and her kids being targets for criston and alicent didn’t help. so obviously as a mother(same with alicent) the only thing she’s thinking of is protecting her kids above all else. alicent demands to see rhaenyra’s newborn seconds after birth to try to prove those kids illegitimate and rhaenyra finally faces the rumors instead of trying to keep quiet in fear.
"her children's inheritance being questioned" - you mean her literal claim to the throne and her and her children's lives on the line? It's a life or death struggle for both parties, the point of the scene is to show that - Rhaenyra's manipulations to keep her power and Alicent's scrambling anger to gain some.
@@carlyofearth who was going to kill Rhaenyra and her children at this point?
Viserys when I catch you.
It's hilarious that team black fans don't understand this complicated scene. They just failed to understand the biasness and willfull blindness of this pathetic and weak king here and at the same time failed to understand how rhaeneyra using her father as a shield and making the room into thinking that alicent is the one who's lost it.
Explain how Aemond lost his eye. Don't even try to sugar coat it. I'll wait 😊
@@__-gf3znhe claimed a dragon, got ganged up on 4 vs 1, sarted to punch back after he got punched, grapped rock to defend himself, called Jace what he is, Jace decided to take out his knife and started trying to stab him multiple times. Sadly for them they are weak and Aemond overpowered them. Only for Jace to throw sand in Aemond eyes and Luke stabbing him in his eye while he was blinded..
That is about it
@@__-gf3zn
Watch the scene again. He only punched after got punched, before that he was pushed and simply pushed back
And no Jace grabbed the knife over an insult. Oh and Aemond was fully in his right to claim the dragon
@@__-gf3zn Asked for an explanation, stayed real quite after getting one. I wonder if you actually reflected on the response you got. My bet is a big fat no.
Alicent *has* lost it in this scene. Understandably, but the various injustices she's suffered don't make it okay for her to try to cut a child's eye out.
I do recognise that Viserys is wilfully blinding himself to Rhaenyra's children being bastards. But what else is he going to do? See his beloved daughter disinherited, imprisoned, exiled, maybe even executed, because she found sexual intimacy where it couldn't exist in her marriage and then lied about it? Hardly the worst crime in history.
What he should have done is pay more attention emotionally to Alicent and his children by her.
I do understand the scene. Still team black though. Not because of having more empathy for black than green, but because the king's word is law and he named her heir.
This scene will go down as one of the best in ASOIAF adaptation history
This is an indicator that Alicent is a good mother. Viserys did not care about his children through the queen's line. This moment shows why these children became attached to Alicent. It's also depressing that Rhaenyra gets away with everything all the time because she's the king's daughter. But in fact, there are no good or bad people in this story.
Nailed it. There is no good or bad people in this whole mess
I don’t think Alicent is a good mother or and intentionally bad mother, because she let aegon take the blame for something he didn’t even do but what she did, she spoke the rumors not aegon. I do like her character a lot I just pity her a lot but just cause she’s going through the gutter doesn’t excuse her actions.
She's complicated, she's certainely not a very good mother to Aegon (to me), and I get why but to me she's also at fault for why he's so messed up
@@_jori.05 What are you talking about? Alicent did not need to protect Aegon, because she understood that nothing would happen to him, since he gave a simply amazing answer to the weak King Viserys. Why should she protect him if she understands that everything has already worked out? + You say that her crisis does not justify her actions. The question is, what actions? I don't find anything that needs to be justified. She is right
@@gennaronarducci1333 Such a bad mother that she protects her child on the throne to the last, and also stood in front of him when the dragon could have burned him. Thanks for the analysis))
King: Where did you hear such calumnies?
Aegon: Just look at them.
Everbody else:...............
Yeah, if no one is able to counter that argument then they are either dumb or it is not slander.
she's way better than me cause if my son just lost an eye and his father was like "yeah no big deal" i'd want his head, not just an eye
😂😂
Rhaenyra didn’t want to follow the an eye for an eye and now she "claiming" a son for a son. (She was aware of what Daemon was planning and let it be) She should’ve just make Aemond killed instead of a innocent child.
this scene is why i am team green
One scene doesn't justify their wrong doings
@@roby1875 it's an opinion..
I’ll never understand how people will actually try to tear Alicent down for coming to the defence of her son, who was just jumped and had his eye cut out for no reason other than his birthright (claiming a dragon), only to get in more trouble for calling Rhaenyra’s sons bastards, which is literally the truth. Then to add onto it all, those very same bastards get away with it, without so much as a word of punishment sent their way.
I swear when you watch this show without those team black tinted glasses, the greens are extremely justified in their mistrust of Rhaenyra.
If you look at it through Alicents perspective, Rhaneyra is a selfish, spoiled, lying, treacherous individual who gets away with everything because of daddy.
Rhaneyra is literally Cersei Lannister in this show but without the senseless cruelty…trying to pass off bastards as heirs to the throne, and having her father enable her behaviour at every turn.
If Alicent is so much better… then don’t be violently petty and demand an eye for an eye. Nothing anyone could ever do would ever justify that.
Trying to do research and observe people’s opinions because I truly don’t understand how anyone could like the greens …
alicent has a mental breakdown in this scene, sorry if she's emotional when her son's EYE got cut out for saying the truth.
@@enbykenznothing happened to your son so you wouldn’t understand those emotions
Alicent’s child is the one that started the whole thing you just shying away from the fact that her children are not good people plus he layed a hand on a woman as a prince he was supposed to be taught manners and as for alicent she is so cruel demanding an eye of a children just for revenge and planning to do so yourself is not how a queen should behave
And now we see Viserys fatal flaw, he is afraid of taking the necessary action. He avoids any confrontation and lets it boil behind the scenes which results in the civil war
i don’t know if anyone else realises it but on top of gaslighting an entire room and having everyone believe in her lies, rhaenrya also asks for aemond to be “sharply questioned” for the “accusations” made. this indicates wanting to torture an already freshly maimed boy. it goes to show who means well from the heart and who doesn’t. rhaenrya is evil
I am pretty sure no one believes her lies they just know that if they go against it Viserys will cut off their tongue
Rhaenyra is self serving, she can’t handle being held accountable or called out.
@@GoldenRose116Yeah everyone knew her sons were bastards, but they didn’t say it out loud or rather they couldn’t
The show didn't have the same meaning the books do. It why nobody reacted at all, heck Alicent just rolled her eyes like it was nothing
@@GoldenRose116 That makes sense as the entire court knows that Rhaenya's children weren't actually Valyrians. They go along with the scheme because Daemon beheaded Vaemond when he called out the princess's deception. Oh i just remembered that the king also threatened to cut out tongues.
He never stole the vagor dragons must be claimed, he simply claimed the dragon before her.
Alicent literally fulfilled all her obligations as queen and wife, and the brainless people compare her to Cersei. Her son loses ONE EYE and her husband, being the KING himself, does absolutely nothing. You have to be a real idiot to hate her.
And he does not oppose the idea of his child being sharply questioned even though he just lost an eye.
@@islasullivan3463EXACTLY! After that I changed from the black team to the green team
This is why I support Team Green!
@@rainstriderstreamflower5645 me too bro
My only real issue with her is the fact that she allows herself to believe Aegon is the heir as Viserys dies without even consulting Rhaenyra, who could have clarified the entire thing. Not that she’d believe Rhaenyra at that point anyway, I suppose.
I like Aegon's answer. It's generalized, it's straight and... Well, let's be honest, it's obvious.
Really shows you how violence is a never ending cycle that leads only to pain and death.
Yo it is insane to me how some people can watch this and still believe rhaenyra and her children were in the right…like regardless of which side you’re on, aemond losing his eye was extreme and viserys doing virtually nothing to punish rhaenyras children after maiming his own son is disheartening. The children don’t have to be maimed or imprisoned for taking aemonds eye, but they need to be punished, they crippled a prince. Anyway without spoiling the future seasons I think it’ll be interesting to see how people justify some of the blacks actions later on in the war.
I’m team black but I agree that Lucerys should’ve been punished (maybe not losing his eye)
@@cami1939 oh of course not, taking his eye wouldn’t be a good punishment anyway as it would just bring more disdain between parties. trying to take his eye was extreme, even if Alicents rage was justifiable.
This was the best scene of the season.
Queen alicent hightower🥰
>Aemond, look at me
>he says to the child who just had an eye gouged
Yeah I don't blame him for anything he does between now and the Gods Eye lmao
Coping!
What Alicent tried to do is horrible, but somehow I understand her motives. Throughout her life, she saw Rhaenyra get away with everything while she had to conform, marry the king, and bear the king’s children without having any power whatsoever. Demanding an eye for an eye is, for her, a desperate attempt to regain some form of justice and acknowledgment for all the sacrifices she made. But, and understandably, Viserys sides with his daughter once again. For Alicent, it's one time too many; it feels like another of many disregards. She doesn’t feel taken seriously or even considered by her husband. After all these years frustrated by his indifference, when it becomes clear that once again he won’t take her side or the side of her son, she loses it and makes the situation worse.
Many times, we find ourselves in situations where we genuinely believe we are in the right, but we don’t feel considered or understood. Out of frustration, we might act impulsively or irrationally, which can often exacerbate the situation and make things worse, just like Alicent's actions did. It is not approvable, but it’s understandable.
I think it is much more. I think in this situation she and her children understood that Viserys doesn't care or appreciated them and that he never will. I believe Viserys truly liked Alicent, but not enough to actually feel care and love for his children with her.
I think this scene is also what made Aegon and Aemond turn against Rhaenyra. It must have been so disheartening.
I grew up with someone with NPD in the family, the way Rhaenyra acted in this scene and how she lied and manipulated the narrative was exactly what I grew up with. It's textbook gaslighting. She lies about everything here.
She could not find sleep. Had alone time with her uncle on the day of his wifes funeral.
In the beginning of the scene, that is not in this video she lies and constantly changes the narrative. First she said it was an accident. Which was not true. When that doesn't work she flips the narrative and says Aemond attacked them and they were forced to defend themselfs. They actually attacked him and it was 4 v 1. Yes he was tactless, but this is about Rhaenyra trying out different lies until one works. She doesn't actually know what happend, they didn't have time to tell her, she is just making stuffup at this point.
And when people listen she goes even further by demanding that Aemond might be sharply questioned aka tortured. She might poker a bit here, but she uses fear to win this and shut them up.
The worst part, all of this is true. She is trying to gaslight everyone and dominate the situation so that the truth never comes out.
I don't think Rhaenyra is written to have actual NPD. But this is how people with it manipulate situations. It was interesting to see aspects of that in HotD.
@@danika9411 People who lie tend to change their stories.
Olivia Cooke the actress that you are👏🏽👑
I love you alicent hightower 💚💚
Olivia Cooke 💚
Cole showed restraint, because the look he gave was that he doesn't want to cut Luke's eye
Also in saying "as your protector my queen "
@@rafaelluna3564Did you not see the way Daemon blocked Ciston Cole from going to Alicent's defense?
@@2Duv4LuvWhat defense she was trying to stab somebody
The one smart thing this man did lol
Alicent was completely right.
She was not
@@theeviperx Remember that when someone gouge your son's Eye.
@@maxnetirtimon4121 remember luke is a 5 year old boy who got into a fight amongst family. Yes I would be upset, I wouldn't demand the eye of an infant.
@@theeviperx a 5-year-old thug who pulled a knife in a fistfight and you don't ask for an eye because you don't have to you know the law is on your side and he would be thoroughly punished for his action and not nothing happens to him at all.
@@theeviperxHe was 8 here while Aemond who lost his eye was only 10
The comments section here really restored some of my hope in humanity. I'm so glad that there are many people who are team green.
The Greens are oath breakers
The blacks are much worse. Rhenerya has bastards, Daemon killed his wife for... reasons. Viserys is a deadbeat dad and plays favourites among his children and is a weak kings to point out a few. I'll take the green team over such spoiled brats with massive egos and entitlement anyday. @@callumthomas872
@@callumthomas872 The Blacks are still far worse. Daemon killed his wife with a rock for... reasons. Rhaenrya gave birth to bastards, 3 times. Viserys turned a blind eye and then had the nerve to ignore his own son's damaged one. he played favorites and took it to the next level.
@@callumthomas872some not all and team black committed treason against the crown many times especially Rhaenyra
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I remember this being one of the first scenes that slowly had me gravitating towards team green. I mean the gaslighting Alicent had to deal with here pissed me off so bad. Then we have Rhaenyra who worsens the entire situation by being completely unremorseful. She then proceeds to ask that Aemond be 'sharply' questioned, aka torture?? Nah, I'd be tweaking too. Then we have Viserys being useless as ever.
Exactly 💯
WHY would Rhaenyra be remorseful when Aemond literally was about to kill Jace, her son? It’s like everyone forgot why Luke attacked Aemond in the first place? He was defending Jace from getting his head bashed in. Is Alicent remorseful for Aemond trying to kill Jace? Or is she saying well he got his eye cut so yall can get over near murder attempt?
lioness trying to defend her cub
all hail queen alicent
She's not a Lannister
@@mulqueen2023 yeah but she is fiercely defending her child just like a lioness
@@kpop9474 What a weak lioness she is has no control over her kids and cant do nothing.
@@yusufraage8554 alicent and otto were de facto regents for viserys when he was sick, while rhaenyra was in dragonstone so alicent was doing a lot of work
@@kpop9474 What work. she was just a figure head and at the end of the day she doesnt matter.
Man no one is as clueless as Viserys, he genuinely believed Rhaenyra's boys were also Laenor's
I think he had a feeling…but chose to ignore the rumors because he ultimately will always support his daughter and not Alicent.
@@MIMIISAWESOMEilynor his other children...
He knew just refused to admit to it
No he didn't, he knew as well as anyone else. He just also knew the consequences of officially acknowledging such would be disastrous
He knew. He’s just protecting her daughter by refusing.