Rhaenys Targaryen and Corlys Velaryon being the only adults in the room | Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 16 дек 2022
- My first of probably 3 videos in a series called Rhaenys Targaryen and Corlys Velaryon being the only adults in the room. Because let's face it, they typically are.
I am side-eyeing that conversation they had with Viserys about Laena, though in-universe it made sense.
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Interesting how Viserys looked at Rhaenys, almost like he realized that Rhaenys got ripped off and felt kind of bad about it...
I think it's implied that they were close even before the council
Then again the sea snakes ambitions make it hard to root against viserys becoming king, the new monarch would be named velaryon and the targ dynasty would be done for good.
Coryles would never allow the name to be changed and he would manipulate his way into it, who will stop him? His velaryone heir?
@@beserker1912 And also it implies that Vyseris is kind and thoughtfull man, man who wants to avoid any conflict or misunderstanding at any cost...Still, this great and respectfull trait is not good trait for a medival ruller
@@milostosic2862 Viserys liked to please people, but in contradition, when he made a decision, he would not go back on it, he was a weak ruler tho
@@kingofdragons7 I agree
“Rhaenys is my favourite cousin after all.”
Dude, your first wife was your cousin .
His parents were also siblings, which would make Daemon his cousin as well 😂 I guess Rhaenys is just his favourite cousin who has been fully 'cousin zoned'
Rhaenys is his favourite *living* cousin.
She died, so she could not be his favourite cousin
@@alicebethell8069brother/cousin
Favorite non-bangable cousin
I've been putting it as Rhaenys having a much more regal bearing than anyone else on the show. But her and the sea snake being the only adults really works as well.
Well after all she was the HEIR.
Not Viserys.
She was Aemon's firstborn.
As much as everyone liked prince Baelon.
He wasn't the one who was meant to be king.
The same could be said about his children and grandchildren.
@@piotrx6833 It always confused me that JT would go against Westerosi law by making his second son heir while his first son's line still persisted. Not like any other house works that way. Made the way open for complications.
@@aaroncohen2700 I thought about it to, and I have theory.
Many people say that the old king was misogynistic but I don't buy it. He allowed women such as Jonquil Darke into his court, he allowed his daughter Alyssa to be a first Targeryen tomboy, and he shared power with his wife.
So, why did he took Rhaenys right to the throne? What did JT had against his granddaughter?
Well my theory is that JT had nothing against Rhaenys. He propably liked her more than Viserys and Daemon.
But Corlys? That's another matter. I think that JT had a grudge against the family of his mother. His Velaryon uncle - Daemon Velaryon - supported Maegor - the same Maegor who killed his brothers.
Not only that, the same uncle was the one who put forth an idea of Maegor marrying Rhaena - JT older sister and and a widow to his older brother.
Velaryons betrayed JT early in his life. He spared them of course but he must have held a grudge.
And then here comes Corlys the Sea snake who is now the richest man in the kingdom and wants to be a consort to the queen.
I am not surprised he was a bit salty.
JT was probably also jealous of Corlys - after all the fame of the Sea snake has overshadowed that of the old king and that must have been a bitter pill to swallow.
@@aaroncohen2700 he didn't go against anything, he let the lords of the realm choose and honored the Andal law that a male comes before a female
@@kingofdragons7 the oldest male line is the one that inherits. JT broke that by skipping his oldest sons line and giving the kingdom to a younger son.
"these knights are as green as summer grass, none of them know real war." BURN...
Yeah, like she knows real war. Let's see what happens the first time she's in a fight. LOLOL.
@@jamiestewart48 she doesn't falter, even though she knows she won't win she collides with 2 dragons, one of which is a conquest war dragon and the largest currently alive and the other one she leaves both the rider and the dragon incapacitated so yeah she knows what war is.
@@jamiestewart48 You know, it doesn't mean much to say the knights are as experienced as an old lady who has never been in warfare.
@@klaojungwiwattanaporn6927she's like 30 in that scene 😂😂
@@jamiestewart48lmao dude she freaking bodies her opponents when the time comes for the Dance of the Dragons. She does end up dying though, but not before severely and permanently disfiguring Aegon and his dragon, Sunfyre. As much as I love Sunfyre, who is one of the best fighting dragons in the Dance, I do feel that she only lost because it was 2 v 1 (technically 4 v 2) given that Aemond and Vhaegar had fought alongside Aegon. But yeah, all this to say that she's been to war, she's fought in a war, and she was a bad bitch the entire way. Her comment was absolutely called for. Especially cause its true, none of those knights had been to war, a fact that is mentioned repeatedly in the first two episodes by other characters.
I’ve always loved Lord Corlys and Princess Rhaenys. When they got married, Lord Corlys told Rhaenys that he came back from the ends of the earth just for her. Rhaenys responded by saying that they could go back to the ends of the earth if they chose but she’d get there first cuz she would be flying on Maelys. They are seriously life goals with their love for adventure and for each other.
The relationship between Rhaenys and Corlys is perhaps the most fair and balanced in this entire franchise, alongside Ned and Catlyn.
Ned and Cat weren't really that "balanced," though. Obviously, they loved and respected each other, but there was a major power imbalance in his favor. Cat had no choice in anything - not even whether to marry him. Ned wasn't honest with her and overruled her repeatedly. One of their last conversations was an argument about whether Bran should go with Ned to King's Landing (before his unfortunate-and-entirely-accidental fall). Cat was fiercely opposed and felt like her favorite child was being stolen from her. Ned decided that Bran would go with him, since he thought Bran could help build bridges with Cersei's children, and that Cat had to stay to raise Robb.
@@kbrennan3836Did you say Bran's fall was "entirely accidental"? Dude, what part of "The man looked over at the woman. “The things I do for love,” he said with loathing. He gave Bran a shove." Sounds accidental to you??? Mind you that was copied from the BOOK
@@maggiejoestar783 My friend, let me introduce you to the strange human custom known as "sarcasm."
@@kbrennan3836 Ah pardon me, friend. I misunderstood.
The Queen who never Was. The Seasnake. Each a power in their own right. Together? Almost unstoppable. Almost.
I wanna see a spin off of The Queen who Was, think the white hairs would still be ruling
Viserys was the happiest guy in the world in that first episode.
Yes, he was so sure he will finally secure the succession and be happy with his true love.
@@Emy-fv5ny Should have known better.
I LOVE this couple, the chemistry between the actors is so good.
I'm a fan now of the actress who plays Rhaenys, I like her voice.
I like her too. When she crashed the coronation and flew off on her dragon it was badass af. I keep telling myself this is Game of Thrones tho and I’m expecting the absolute worst for her lol. I haven’t read the book so I don’t know what happens, but I bet it isn’t good.
Couldn’t agree more, the whole season I was rooting for House Velaryon to take over. They truly deserved to rule more than Targaryens 😂
Honestly, their rise would've not only prevented the Dance, but ultimately would've prevented the reign of Aerys "The Mad King".
@@EdwardNewgate58 yep
@@EdwardNewgate58and the Blackfyre Rebellions
@@EdwardNewgate58But the Prince who was promised probably wouldn't have been born
@@resathe6760 Hmm, good point.
How different their world would have been, had the right heir been chosen.
The men would’ve been pissed
@@AS-ri1mbAnd intact. Westeros wouldn't have been fractured.
@@janellejulianajoythat’s highly unlikely. If Rhaenys became queen, Leonor will be the next king. Leonor is canonically gay, and he would likely to marry Viserys’ children anyway, the end result will be the same. Or if Leonor chose different wife, their children will still be bastards, and there will be challenges to the heir of the throne.
@@almasyapologist Eh.. Renley and Margery coulda worked it out. I'm sure the measters coulda figured out turkey basting etc ... He coulda gotten himself to completion then finished etc .. not to be crass but I find it a plot hole in Rhae and Laenors alliance. They coulda easily worked it out. Plus alot of gay guys have slept with a woman before believe it or not
Viserys should have listened to Rhaenys and Corlys and married Laena, marrying Alicent did all but doom house Targaryen to civil war and the deaths of almost all the dragons...
Or he could've married literally any other house.
What he really should have done is never married at all if he wanted his daughter on the throne. Honestly the best decision would have been to marry his daughter and brother from the get go and named them co-rulers upon his death.
@@marie-curie6645 Eh, I'd say he should've married into a weaker house. Like a step-below the great houses like a Rowan, or a Manderly. Someone with status but not enough to threaten his daughter. I do think he should've had grandchildren before more children though.
@@marie-curie6645 avoiding Daemon as successor was kind of the point of naming Rhaenyra though.
I think Corlys would not have accepted that Laenas sons are passed over. He almost went to war already, when Rhaenys line was disinherited by the council in 101.
Severely accurate title
They're also the most beautiful in the room. The whole family. Their kids are just gorgeous, and the absolute best people in Westeros. I think the fact that they're kind and intelligent and loyal make them even more attractive. It was so sad to watch them be used up and thrown away like they were.
lol wtf
@@NotHereForLikesikr calling child actors "gorgeous" is crazy
@@vortigan9068 Thinking it's crazy to call them gorgeous is gross.
@@vortigan9068um what's wrong with just complimenting their looks? There's nothing pedophilic in it. It's just a comment, not a flirtatious one.
Marrying their 9 year old daughter to a guy who can be her grandfather doesn’t really scream ‘being an adult’
Living in a conservative and political society meant looking for highest position for themselves and for their children, at the same time looking out for the stability of the realm. House Velaryon actually played GOT well with Laena as perfect piece but Viserys really wasn’t a fine opponent to play with.
Stop applying 21st century morality to 14th century norms. Yes it’s weird but that was the only way to secure your families position and for a woman to have social mobility
Everyone already said it pretty well, but just to add I doubt he would’ve done anything to or with her until she came of age.
Like Viserys would even touch Laena at that age. Crown or no, Rhaenys would burn him alive if he abused her daughter. Also, Laena is not Alicent. She would have relished her role as queen and played the game.
Not that it changes your point, but I'm pretty sure Laena was 12, and Viserys would be maybe mid 30s at that point. Still very gross, but also common of the time period among nobles, and honestly probably a better deal than most other girls would get.
I only now just realised that this adult Renyera narrating this... 🤦♂️
Same, I thought it was Rhaenys for some reason as it seemed to sound like her actor. It doesn’t sound like Rhaenyras current voice actress unless they plan to slightly age her more by season 2.
She says “my father” when talking about Viserys…
Rather obvious comment, but I like how Viserys was confident about the succession during the tourney, so no tongue needed to be removed. He was more himself there, calm and Peaceful, indeed.
But with his grandchildren, he definitely knew and denied the truth to himself. So his attitude towards the punishment changed accordingly.
Insecurity brought out some violence in him. His illness didn’t help, either.
True but there’s a difference between someone making a joke and someone calling your daughter a whore.
Yea but calling rhaenyera a whore was way to much she didn’t whore around she was only with harwin that people knew about that’s it and it stopped than she stayed with daemon and was with him only for a very long time. Calling her a whore in front of everyone was to far vaemond 100% sealed his fate when he said that the bastard thing could’ve been looked over but not that.
fists full of steel and balls full of seed what a line. And this is the first time noticing Leana looking scared and holding Leonor's arm, they really choose some beautiful child actors. And Rhwanys and Corlys truly is the best couple stand outs this first season.
A spin off of Corlys’ story would be awesome, getting to see the greater world from Asshai by the shadow to Ib, but I guess it’d also remove the mystery behind asoiaf too
Corlys and Raines both have such on screen presence
House Velaryon really deserved better. Really liked them.
On paper, they are right, a match with her would be best for the realm. However, she is still just a young child.
Who could have easily had child birthing issues because of her young age(especially since when she we'd daemon, she gave him daughters, so the succession would probably STILL be in dought)
@@redadmiralofvalyria867 I don't disagree at all.
@@redadmiralofvalyria867 TBF, it’s the male donation of DNA that decides gender:) so who knows how things would have gone.
🙄🙄🙄 Viserys could marry Laena young but wait until she reaches the age of majority and matures well enough. The period between their marriage and Laena's age of majority could be used for Laena and Rhaenyra to bond with each other to ensure that even if Laena gives birth to Viserys' sons, Rhaenyra's stake on the Iron Throne would be respected. With Houses Targaryen and Velaryon bonded even more, no one would dare stand against their aerial and naval superiority.
@@MegaLion14House Velaryon would have schemed to put their line on the throne. The Sea Snake is ridiculously ambitious. Also Viserys would have been 70 and probably already dead through disease by the time his bride came of age 😂. On top of that the houses are already joined
Laena gripping her brother's arm is so sweet🥰. Reminds me of my big brother when i was little.
I loved Corlys in the books such a badass. His on screen counter part so far is pretty dope too
Look I don't care that they made the Velaryons black. Whatever. But why did they change the hair color of Rhaenys and Aemma Arryn (Viserys' wife). Both of them had dark hair. That's why in the book, Rhaeneyra had something to argue against with her kids having dark hair. Her mother herself had dark hair. But I guess they really wanted to hammer home they weren't her husband's sons in the show.
It wouldn't bother me except for the fact that the "Seed is Strong" was an important part of GOT season one. Sort of devalues Ned's discovery since Rhaenys is proving to be an exception.
Rhaenys is one of the most beautiful Targs for sure. She even looks dragonesque
It's astonishing that there are still heirs left with these kinds of tournaments ...
I think it was a bit riddiculous to portray a tourney that way.
I think for the Jousts, it's mostly lordlings, but there is probably some brawl aspect later on where the knights and stewards of these noble houses get to let out their aggression
There's the joust, and the Melee. Since this is a time of peace, there certainly could be merit to tourneys to the death. However, I think the tourney as portrayed in GoT S1 E4-5-(6?) was far better and faithful to how it would actually be. @@drewhammond5203
@@resathe6760Did you not hear Corlys and Rhaenys' dialogue? Its been decades since the last war, and the knights are eager for bloodlust. "Fistful of steel and balls full of seed". In GoT we see that tourneys rarely go bloody, since everyone cringes when Ser Hewell dies or when Tywin sent Jamie to one at the age of 15.
@@DrSabot-AI did and I'm not saying it breaks the show. But I still think it was a bit over the top with the violence for a tourney. Who is Ser Hewell btw? Do you mean Ser Hugh of the Vale? Because he was not killed with intend but by accident. Which is exactly my point. I didn't say nobody ever dies at tourneys but those are mostly accidents not knights butchering each other with swords and axes.
0:31 The look on Viserys felt like he didn't wanted the throne, but has to force a smile and go with it.
Imagine if Viserys married Laena. Targaryen dragons and the Velaryon fleet. They would've been unstoppable. He literally gained nothing marrying Alicent, except unnecessary family drama and civil war. If he and Laena had a son, Rhaenyra could've married whoever she wanted, like Harwin Strong. She wouldn't have minded being replaced as heir by Laena's son since she understood they had a lot to gain from the Velaryons. There would be no Dance.
4:29, when the Velaryon theme kicks in... The Old, The True, The Brave
The real Power Couple
I really hope Eve Best wins some kind of award for her role. I was looking her up and she hasn't won any since 2008 despite having many roles since.
Refreshing to see a couple at last where both are equal, no toxic traits whatsoever
Just call it "Every time Rhaenys and Corlys are on screen together" xD
What a handsome couple. I hope one doesn't end up a charred corpse after a battle and the other imprisoned by his allies :)
Lesson one: never take rhaenys’ favor. She is worth it but you don’t want to lose. 😂❤
Rhaenys would have been a much better ruler than Viserys... That being said... Offering to wed their twelve year old daughter to the king was creepy and just wrong. Glad Vis, at least, saw that.
Eh, it was pretty standard for the time. And they wouldn't have had sex until Laena was old enough to have children. That isn't good but it's how it works.
Not at all, this was actually good match... Have in mind that Westeros society is based on our medival society...Vyseris at time was something about 35 - in the books, so he was not so old like you think because of actor
In this case, it is subjectively wrong but objectively a good move.
I don't get it, Corlys Velaryon and Rhaenys Targaryan are married. The two houses are joined. I understand they want to increase that bond but their houses are already joined, no?
But not to the line of succession
@@erickahernadez2527 yea, i get that. I'm just nitpicking the choice of words
I think it has more to do with dragons. Dragons were the key to power and keeping that power and their were only two houses with dragons. Merging the two completely together made it so the other house wasn’t a threat to Targaryen rule.
@@marie-curie6645 No argument. I was only pointing out that their houses are already united by the marriage between Corlys and Rhaenys (and many more).
@@CicadasEverywheregood point tbf, but I think it was more about keeping Corlys happy
the queen who never was
Rhaenys, The Queen who should have been, would be a better description.
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All our parents 🥰
If only he'd married Laena, the Dance would never have happened.
If rhaenys won. Targaryens would probably still be prospering right now
Mmmmmhhhmmm I don’t know about that. See the thing about Rhaenys is that her children are Velaryon. So the monarchy would fall to House Velaryon. It wouldn’t take long before the Targaryens take issue with that.
@@birdiewolf3497perhaps maybe but this is why viserys and coryls came up with the deal that yes verleryon blood would sit the throne however the heir jace would be named Targaryen instead the power would still be in Targaryens hands. Which was actually a smart idea.
wow something i did not realize until this video is that when Viserys gets crowned king, he does NOT look happy about it. he doesn’t even smile until Aemma looks at him. he’s PISSED for Rhaenys.
It’s been seventeen years since king maegor’s end, these knights are as green as summer grass, 💅, none of them have known real war 💅💅💅💅💅
🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
Prince Deamon is announced by the man with balck dragon on red field. I wonder if that's foreshadowing for a series about Blackfyre Rebelions
Holy...SHIT!
To be honest, If Rhaenyra had Been closer to Rhaenys and Corlys,maybe spoken to them about the birth of the boys,and that laenor failed on getting her pregnant, maybe they would Have some afection for her,and protect her from the Hightower from the beggining.
I just realized that if he married leana he probably would have delayed the inevitable two more daughters and another wife dying in pregnancy
Actually if Viserys had wed Lhaena that would have prevented pretty much everything that happened in the dance
There would be no wars between the dragons if the King would have taken Lord Valarys proposal to unite the two powerful houses at the time🎉
1:00 the crowned deer is a mistake isnt?
he should have listened
It makes sense that she wouldn't inherit it. Not just out of tradition, but because she was also married to someone who would essentially become king by proxy, that wasn't even part of the bloodline that was supposed to inherit the throne. So making her queen instead would be like if you gave the throne to any other house but house targaryen.
But that happened with real Houses, too. Queen Victoria was the last of Hanover, then her husband's house took over through her sons (which got then renamed to Windsor).
Only for the Targs themselves the name is important, being the last Dragonlords and stuff, but for the Lords of Westeros these are foreign unifiers, conquerors or invaders depending on point of view and the name itself doesn't have much of a tradition like the names of the native Great Houses.
4:20 the two great surviving valiryan houses, meanwhile the Celtigar house : "really ? wow ! thanks guys."
The other Valyrian houses are shit and have been living in Westeros for hundreds of years since Aenar Targaryen left the freehold. The Vels have been the fleet masters of the Targs and have been given the largest island, Driftmark, to rule, and have been intermarrying with the Targs many times before to ensure a Valyrian bloodline. The other houses didn't have that fortune, maybe some married Aenar's unknown siblings but those lines died out by the time of these events. We see a Celtigar lord later with Rhaenyra on Dragonstone in the show and he doesn't look Valyrian at all which makes sense given how much time has passed since the Doom.
A bunch of turncloaks in my opinion. Bending the knee to the bastard pretender instead of dying with honor in services of the one true king.
@@TearYouApart360 well, to be fair the Baratheon bloodline his almost as valyrian has the other valyrian houses
but for the Celtigar, I was mostly joking, yeah they are valyrians, but commoners, while the Velaryons where nobles and the Targarians were dragon lords, so basicaly royalty
Why he did not marry their daughter is beyond me. He didn’t have to consummate the marriage until she was mature. Marrying Alicynt was folly from the beginning
Also Alicent wasn't that much older really. At most 3 or 4 years
Gross, they could have had a noble that was of age to be queen.
Lowkey she stole the fooking show till emma pull up
I wanna see a spin off of The Queen who Was, think the white hairs would still be ruling
Why do I feel like Rhaenys recognized the small tribute to her failed corronation due to misogyny was the day Viserys named Rhaenyra heir?
It could be interpreted that it was a gesture of apology that he was selected over Rhaenys.
Is there some deeper meaning of the announcer wearing Blackfyre colors, who do not yet exist.
(Or is he some random recognized bastard, and as that wears the "inversed" coat of arms, which just happens to be the same as the future Blackfyre one will be. )
Definitely means the Blackfyres are time travellers
1:34 look at Otto
To be honest their daughter is way better then alicent
You think?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Viserys loved his daughter. He was a good man. But a weak man. A weak man who nearly destroyed the house of the dragon.
Why tf does the whole series look like a fucking flashback with that low saturation color grading?
Nah Viserys over Rhaenys and Corlys any time of the day
Well, Viserys sure would end up doing a 180 on the tongue thing...
Laena and Viserys was and should have been the right plau
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Why is there a black? The Targaryens are very specifically described in the books. They aren't black.
It's fictional character if George doesn't mind who tf are you😂
Then it is a good thing he is not a Targaryen so gtfoh
it made sense because in the show its clear rhaes children are not leanors. In the books rheaneys is black so rhaes children could be laenors based by genetics
Rhaenys doesn't ever speak high valayrian i just noticed
1:33
Blackfyre rebels even during the reign of king viserys smh
Damn this comment section is so absolutely filled with cope for 1 character who killed hundreds of innocent people for no reason (sounds real fucking familiar) and a dude who spends most of the season lusting for the throne.😂😂
Corlys would rather be at sea.
Marrying Alicent Hightower fucked up the Targaryen dinasty, by causing succession rebellions killing the dragons. Maybe if the rebellions will not happened the targaryens might still had their dragons and still ruling by the time of ASOIAF
Her personal sigil should be a shark covered in mud.
@@TheRedKing- I'm black.
So Rhaenyra's ghost is speaking? 😂 Surely whoever is running the show must know that Rhaenyra died by dragonflame right?
Or is it that they plan on changing the ending?
Is rhaenyra not rhaenys
@@isoladirocciadeldrago7385 She said Viserys was her father so no?
Also Rhaenys also died in the Dance so even if it was her my original question remains.
in the books is cause she is a female but in the show is cause she married a black guy
Be so fr you know thats not the reason
You gotta troll better than that.
ok black lives matter ok ok...o..k...
If rhaenys won. Targaryens would probably still be prospering right now