Thank you Jirard for pointing out that others need to stop comparing sequels to prequels and you need to focus on two games you are supposed to talk about. That was annoying to be honest.
@@DiabloCloud trailler are often cut before the final cut of the movie. it would be like if he played a demo or a beta. Playing the first stage is like watching the first 20 minutes so you would only see the character introduction
@@pickk90 Good observation. Then it is like seeing the first 20 minutes and complaining about characters being one dimensional and not growing. (He did said Spyro was great because of the amount of collectives, when he didnt knew they grew to a point it was tedious in later stages)
I'd love it if Barry can come back for a season where they are debating something he actually has more experience with. I like him, but he's hardly played these games and he won't even really consider what the others, who have played the games, are saying. Also thank you for trying Jirard, we appreciate you.
He kind of seems like he just decided devil's advocate was the best role to play if he doesn't know much about the games but in a series like this where he actually has to vote for one, him leaning towards voting for something he doesn't necessarily like just because Jirard is voting for the other one just seems like it's not in keeping with the spirit of an elimination bracket based on popular vote.
No way Spyro won. Guys on the left have no idea, Caddy and the Completionist have played both games a lot of times and they seem to have a better constructed opinion on this matter.
here's my opinion on the matter as someone who grew up with both series as a kid and has put hundreds of hours into both Crash 2 and Spyro 1, i've played a hell of allot more of Crash 2 in my days but i can still say Spyro 1 is the better game imo, Spyro's level feel like they are lived in and are not just there for the simple purpose of getting a crystal for Cortex and i disagree with them saying crash has more personality than spyro, Spyro's voice actor for the time and especially in the remakes is spot on and delivers way more personality than a mute ever could imo
I think it's interesting to hear the views of someone who didn't have the console in their youth, just wish they all had time to finish the games and get to their ends before doing this.
@@Angus_MacFarlane Not having the console in his youth is one thing. But Barry has made it clear that he has only played a handful of PS1 games on the bracket. If you're gonna be on a panel arguing about the best PS1 game, I think having significant experience playing the game is paramount. If you didn't play it as a kid, but played it only a few years ago, that's fine. I mean, I only had 5 games on my SNES growing up, but I've played enough of them in the years since that I could reasonably debate anyone on a Best SNES Game bracket. However, the only Genesis games I have any experience in are the Sonic games and the first Vectorman game, so I would be a TERRIBLE choice for a Best Genesis Game debate.
speaking personally, I like having Barry because I never played PS1 games, so I can project the opinions I've got over the years about these games with Barry's opinions, it's obviously not necessary for me though. Overall, I'd prefer he had the time to complete or seen these games completed at least once before being in the panel.
I don't think it's fair to single out any one guest on this regarding the issue of them having no experience, I think the real issue is that they don't have the time to play the games before they start judging them and since the games are selected in a public poll, they have to wait before they even know what games will appear on the bracket.
As somebody who hasn't played some of these games, I'd love to see some more gameplay clips inserted into these videos. Also as somebody who hasn't played some of these games, I am available to sit on future panels to discuss how good these games that I've never played are.
Everyone's complaining about Barry, but I think Lee is doing a poor job this season. If it comes down to a tiebreaker, he always goes with the controversial pick for the sake of being controversial, which is evident in the Ape Escape v Final Fantasy 9 discussion. He's not going the game with better arguments, he's being a d*** to whoever gives better points for no good reason. For that I think this is a bad season.
I don't think there's any evidence to back that up because Forrest just states the game and that's the end of it. You might be right, but he never explains himself. I wish he'd say at least a single sentence explaining why he chose one game over the other.
Agree with you, some episodes he says that, by the arguments, a game won. And only by the arguments, like in RE2 win. This time, i believe that, almost objectively, crash was better defended than spyro, but the arguments didnt matter this time. He is clearly trying to be controversial and it works, a lot of comments and angry viewers that keep coming here. Not profesional if you want a good debate, but clearly draws attention. I am upset, would prefer either a fair debate and judging decision or a full funny vision. What i have to add, the edit, the gameplay videos and everything has to improve, i do not know if it is Lee who does that
I can agree, it seemed like right out the gate he was against Crash even when Jirard like pointed and debunked the idea that the controls were bad the simple fact was Barry and Shane didn't bother to try and understand the mechanics and yet in Ape Escape vs FF9, Barry was like, "the controls are fine." And Shane was like, "um no?" Like WTF are they doing this season, like "objectively FF9 is better, but we haven't played it so... Ape Escape wins!" Like WTF no that's not how this works, you've established in episodes prior that's not how this works, you've already said in the N64 one that our favorite doesn't make it the best and again in the 90s cartoon one! Like WTF!
I'm not sure how you've gathered that, but I apologize if its come off that way. The only matchup I feel like I actually did that with was for FFIX vs Ape Escape, but for this one... I legitimately thought that the game that won had the better arguments for it. I personally feel that the game that lost has weaker controls, and is therefore a lesser game (still great!). The panelists defending said game only had "well, you need to play it more", which I do not believe is a good argument for convincing someone (or at least me) that one platformer is better than another. Again, other than the aforementioned Ape Escape Fiasco of 2018, I do not understand what I've done to make you feel this way, but I apologize for it. However, I do stand by all of my decisions and believe that the I voted for the games with the superior arguments in (almost) every episode.
While for the most part, I agree, his Mario comparison really made me question the validity of his statement. He's comparing learning a game mechanic to learning how to compensate for shitty controls. Like... what? But his whole "Ignore the other games, this is about Spyro 1 and Crash 2" thing was great to hear.
Because they were complaining about poor controls, saying it was impossible to get Crash to move the right amount. The only thing about momentum was the sliding mechanic which, to Jirard's credit, does work in the analogy. But that wasn't what they were talking about. Or at least not what I understood them to be talking about.
Barry did you play ANY of the games? i might be wrong but it seems that you haven't beaten a single one of them. And you just play one hour of each or so, in some cases not even that.
@@dragonbullets2763 Maybe, but first impressions shouldn't have a place when discussing the best game of a generation. You can have you opinion of a game, but if you award a game as better than another, and you then play it and then regret it, because you realize your opinion was only half baked, I'd say your opinion shouldn't even be on the table.
+Dragos Goanta This isn't a nostalgia debate. Nostalgia is fine, but if you're going to debate which game is the best PS1 game, you need to have played the fucking game first. If it was 20 years ago or 2 months ago, it doesn't matter.
As much as I like Barry I agree, he’s going off of the first couple of levels of a game and some seriously good games are suffering for it. Crash lost to Spyro for having “inferior controls” when the reality is that Spyros controls towards the end is garbage and objectively inferior to Crash.
I don't think I've ever had a problem with Crash 2's controls. Crash has a defined weight, but he's also floaty enough to have good aerial maneuverability to help with second guessing jumps. He has a defined jump arc depending on the direction pressed and how hard the Jump button was pressed, and he control nearly identical in each camera change (although I do dislike the 2.5D near-isometric side-scrolling bonus levels, the 2D side-scrolling levels are vastly superior). Spyro 1 on the other hand, compared to Spyro 2 and 3, and especially Crash 2 and 3, probably has the weakest controls. Spyro moves in such a way that momentum is being fought, and the inactive-active camera system fights with the surprisingly fast paced movement and (low amount of required) platforming. Spyro is innately slippery on his feet, and the constant need to make near-perfect jumps (which were fixed/removed in 2 and 3, especially with the addition of the saving grace that was the hover/flutter) or risk immediate death and a relatively quick loading screen really hampers the actual platforming of the game. I also don't know how Spyro 1 beat out the clearly superior Spyro 2, and the superior but slightly inferior to Ripto's Rage, Year of the Dragon. Either not enough people voted, or the ones that did had (from how much fans talk about and judge, and personally) unpopular opinions towards the coveted trilogies earliest incarnation. I can see why Crash 2 won out of that trilogy, though. Crash 2 was (like with Spyro 3) more focused in theme and levels, and had a bit more character staying power and growth
I get being super well versed in a game is important but the fresh face of going into something with no nostalgia is a valid and sometimes needed for a proper discussion. (I know Barry based it all on nostalgia for the previous madness i mean more so here.)
Dolphin Smart there isn't enough time even with these two in particular being decently short games. I wish Barry had the time to finish both of them before the recording too but with scheduling there can't be time for that to realistically happen. They are all very busy individuals. First impressions are important too. And that's where I'll leave matters.
Furst, you hurt me, you hurt me. Also, I enjoy Barry but I feel that maybe he should have been picked for a different season of Madness because it feels like every episode it starts with him having very little experience with both games.
I mean I haven’t played any of these games but based off the arguments Crash shoulda won. Also, as everyone else is saying, we love you Barry, but we really should be finding people who’ve played (and finished) at least 3/4 of these games. Only makes sense tbh. I’m sure the actual best game will come out on top, but just consider these things for the next season.
Hes a proven liar tho, and he tries to manipulate everyone on the panel. I think furst caught on which is why he sided against jirard so much this season. Just watch the very beginning of the silent hill video and see the 1st thing jirard says and his mannerisms.. Once you see it, you cant unsee it lol
@@exiled5160 well at least he gave a reason on WHY he said that, still he is giving insights about the games. I don't think it is a mature thing to do just because of that.
It adds an interesting perspective to this panel, imo. Barry's a gamer and I think that holds enough merit. I never owned a PSX ( have played several PSX games on the PS3 ) and I still have opinions on each of these episodes.
@@christophervinson5088 and everyone has a right to their opinion but if you want a good debate on two matter from the same subject, you should lean towards those who have experience and not those who dont. That's like saying "I haven't seen the movie but I've watched the commercial twice."
TheRezro because people who vote on twitter don’t know shit or don’t really think because it’s pole on Twitter. It’s poor way on deciding brackets really, but I don’t know other easy ways. Also agree with Grim and Cad.
Spyro 1 is my favorite. I disliked the minigames on 2 and 3 and the world had much more backtracking and felt like a less fleshed-out landscape. Spyro 1 feels more free and open.
Crash 2 should’ve won over Spyro 1 in my honest opinion from a person who loves Spyro slightly more then Crash but will cherish both of them as brothers no matter what
@@N8veJay But Spyro 1 never should be in this competition instead superior Spyro 2/3 (just fanboys are dumb). And they did address this issue. Even if people make the list, they still are deciding factor. They basically exchange the game in the competition to give this franchise proper representation.
Jim Caddick needs to learn how to have a conversation without interrupting the others. He constantly disrupts the other speakers' lines of thought. He is waiting for his time to talk instead of listening to the others' points. Give him a notepad if he is worried about forgetting his ideas.
Townsend Montilla I think he’s relatively new to these conversations. I could be wrong but I don’t blame his excitement. You’re right but he’ll learn with experience.
caddy has always been like this, he's very full of himself and always try to say what he wants first. he'll get better, but it will take a tone of time
I'm just wondering but how are Crash 2's controls bad? From playing it quite recently and over the years they always felt responsive, done what was intended, very little if any delay for inputs so it feels weird they are so hung up on this issue for a game that had fine controls. Plus the way Barry talks about the camera, as if it goes flying all over the place all the time, it is either behind you and moves with you or it is along the lines of old school 2d platformers moving from left to right. Edit: Further on in the video, it almost feels as if they have never played platformers because they can't judge jump distances?
and the judge just chooses spyro because... yeah this season sukcs, Caddy and Jirard know these games better but they don't have convincing arguments. Like, Caddy is the MVP for crash discussions but he didn't get any points across because he got confused as to why they would say Crash has shitty controls.
Well apparently the theme this season is take whatever one single shitty argument you have whether it makes sense or not and run with it, and hope you just make Forrest agree with you so you win, that's been more or less every episode this season, just throw out any prior arguments we've made in the past, like, "just because I like it doesn't make it objectively better." Like Barry is so out of his element, Forrest just feels like he's got a vendetta and Shane lands somewhere in the middle, meanwhile Caddy and Jirard are trying to actually objectively pick the better games for case and point watch RE2 vs Silent Hill, despite Caddy loving silent I think he even said he liked it more, he knew objectively RE2 was better so he voted for it, that's what should be going on they're supposed to be deciding the best of the system not playing favorites. Even PBG voted against his favorite TV shows when he knew that objectively speaking they were worse than the thing they were going against.
It's really hard to watch this after how good the N64 debates were. We really need people who have actually played the games to debate them. It's obvious that Jirard and Caddy are frustrated because they clearly have way more understanding of these games compared to Barry and Shane to an extent. Just... sad to watch.
@@exiled5160 The game comparisons weren't consistent but that's because they kept losing focus on what the main topic was... but ProJared (although he did it in a slightly annoying way) and Jirard kept things on topic generally. I feel that I enjoyed the N64 debates much more because, overall, the games that won deserved the win. The PS1 comparisons so far are just... ridiculous. You have judges who actually haven't played the games, you have topics of discussion that make absolutely no sense and prove their inexperience with the game(s) (ie "Oh Crash controls are so bad I press the thing and he doesn't do the thing") The N64 debates at least showcased everyone's knowledge of the system and its iconic games. This is just... sad. It's Jirard and Caddy vs 3 people who have barely any experience with the games. Clearly there's a lot of bias.
There is no way sm64 deserved it over OoT. It has a terrible camera and imprecise controls. OoT still plays fine... MM is the best 64 game imo tho. and goldeneye over PM? Banjo over Starfox? Lol c'mon
@@exiled5160 The N64 madness wasn't great, definitely inconsistent at times, but this bracket is somehow even more ridiculous. And honestly, even though I love OoT over SM64, I can understand why some people would prefer SM64. People play games differently, but at least there was reason for *some* of the decisions they made, because they had all played the games before. Even the Goldeneye vs PM64 decision, I can understand, if they were more interested in the action shooter multiplayer genre. But at least they've all played the damn games. This season is just a complete shitshow, and unless one game is just obviously better than another (FF7 vs Parappa) then it makes no sense who wins, because nobody has even played the games, so they haven't provided any good discussion.
Please stop having Barry judge things he never has played. And then on top of that he keeps saying trollie answers. That is the one thing people are mad about. We care about these games and yall keep saying troll answers except jhirard bless his soul for putting up with this crap.
@@NamelessKing1597 Some of the best games have held up very poorly over time. If you didn't play them back then then you are, at best, judging them by solely today's standards - which may be less fair than viewing them through nostalgia goggles.
@@NamelessKing1597 Not only is nostalgia not a factor for him but experience or having played the games at all also aren't a factor for him. Yes, it would have been great if Barry or whoever had not played the game in their childhood but to give the person an hour to judge a game they never have touched is asinine. Even reviewers with the tightest of time constraints are given like two days to beat a game even if it means playing on the easiest difficulty.
What an outrage. The only thing I agree with is it WASN'T a fair fight but that's because you're comparing Crash 2 to the First Spyro. Both great games but damn does the first Spyro get really monotonous after the first 40 dragon rescues. and it's far too easy of a game unless you're playing it at the age of 5. Imho, Crash 2 wins.
Crash 2 gets way more monotonous. It's a good game, but it's pretty much the same thing over and over again. Spyro 1 on the other hand really mixes it up with the level designs and secret areas.
Yep that controversial algorithm. Because i think thats exactly what he needs, or maybe just do 8 easy games in 3 weeks and have his team edit them and he just pops in for the voice over and boom little vacation time
Jirard brought the hammer today. That was well explained. I understand Barry and Shanes' control gripe as I did experience it. Regarding both fronts I sit with Barry in the green camp as I never owned a PS1 or either game. But in my time playing Crash is tighter but Spyro was a bit loafty and almost more forgiving. A little bummed that story was not discussed really. Neither are sublime but worth a mention. Crash's soundtrack is a major victory over Spyro. Why are you collecting Gems in Spyro? Dragons are story related but gems? Crash had the story gem and two other items but which had the more important collectable? A lot on controls which are critical for both but left the rest of the game to freeze on both fronts. Final long winded feedback: Shane seems rather distant compared to past seasons, not as excited I feel. Maybe PS isn't his jam so it was nice to see his feedback. Barry coming in more or less blind and nostalgic free is nice. Bummer about all the hate in the comments but pretty much he could be the swing vote before Mr. Lee. Have them convince you why their favorite game is better. While weighing your preferences. Jirard focusing it back to the two entries vs the franchise was good and Caddy was/is at home regarding PS1 titles. Overall interested and lots of growing pain fellas. Keep at it.
Kratos Sagara Spyro is more forgiving? Lol just play the last few levels my friend. I'm in limbo between these two games. I think Crash 2 has better levels and bosses but I enjoy the soundtrack and aesthetic of Spyro 1 more. I can't decide if I like the Gems or Crates more. They're both great collectibles.
I feel like this one could have gone either way, just because both Spyro and Crash were the icons of the original PS and their games filled the same niche. I'm more of a Crash fan myself, but I can't argue with the results.
@@burgskeletal3149 Perhaps that is the case for the last couple levels but do those alone define it? People could argue the opening hours are the pacing to the game and define it by that alone. I would hope the further into the game you go a more of the challenge it becomes. Now are the later levels poorly designed for the controls? Or vice versa? A lot could have been discussed but was hung up on controls. I dunno which Crash it is but Stormy Ascent (Remastered exclusive yes?) And The High Road from a lot of people get the bird. The only level from Spyro I know that even comes close is the Twisted Tree level due to required use of the super charge which apparently does not handle well in combination with the camera. Either way a lot to cover in sub 22min. Crates sometimes were a puzzle to pop and even provided a hazard, so a good reward while the gems I felt were just there with a couple instances of where is the key or firework. The sound effects in Spyro were more fun I think as a whole but the soundtrack to Spyro does not stand out to me. I like Spyro's fantasy dragon aesthetic but Jirard even said it was empty feeling.
Kratos Sagara Stormy Ascent and The High Road are from Crash 1. I'm not saying the later levels of Spyro 1 are unfair, but they are less forgiving than later levels in Crash 2. I actually think Spyro 1 has Crash 2 beat when it comes to the early levels. The Artisan hubworld in Spyro 1 is so charming. I enjoy the crates more from a gameplay perspective, but sound effect when you collect gems is soooo satisfying. I wouldnt say Spyro 1 is empty per se. I think lonely is a better word to describe it since there are no interactive NPCs in the game.
Fair enough perhaps I misunderstood what you meant in the original post in regards to later levels. That is fair to say I suppose, I have not played either that far just watched play throughs. The Artisian Hub is wonderful and a joy to traverse. The hub to Crash 2 is like the gameplay, condensed and to the point. One not being outright better in any sense. Crash did not have NPCs either to my knowledge but due to the more on screen condensed nature of Crash it feels fuller but less connected. Spyro is a bit lean but everything is fairly well connected, both transition and theme. For sure a touch match up which is why I was a little bummed controls were the MAIN point when each has a lot more to discuss.
I notice how everyone is complaining about Barry being on this panel. And I can see the point. It is a little annoying for him to constantly say "I've never played this game" besides the streams he's done with Shane, but I want to add this to the table. Barry is kind of like the new outlook on these games. Caddy and Jirard are experienced in PS1, Shane is kinda experienced from what I can tell, so Barry is the fresh outlook. The unbiased, fresh outlook. That being said, I do have to complain about how Furst is choosing his winners. I would love it if he were to explain why the victor won. Go into detail. This is a debate after all. I love everything you do at NB all of you guys. (Also let me steal your idea because this video series seems interesting and I wanna do it with my own friends thanks and goodbye!!!)
20:00 It really felt like Forest was trying to quickly sweep Shane into a Spyro vote while he was speaking positively about it because he wanted Spyro to win
I'm honestly surprised Spyro won, and that's coming from a Spyro fan. I just wish it was Spyro 2, cuz I think it'll have a better shot later in the bracket than Spyro 1.
Yes a common problem in any platformer when you don't have enough experience is that you miss jumps, it happens to my little brothers all the time. Experts on halo and battlefield but give them mario and htey miss 50% of the jumps. You have to get adjusted to the weight of the characters, how much can they jump in any given situation and i think thats what caddi and jirard are debating when shane and barry say that they miss several jumps.
@@exiled5160 If you're talking about the new on, it's due to how they changed Crash's hitbox for the insane trilogy. They had to compromise as they needed Crash to feel the same in all three games, but this made the first game harder because of it. You see, in the first game crashes hitbox is exactly that, a square box. This causes a lot of the jumps in Crash 1 to be more forgiving as you could literally be floating in air as you jump. In the later games, they rounded the hitbox, making crash slide off things if he got to close. This was fine in the later games as they were designed around it, but for Crash 1, it made it much more difficult as a side effect. Jumps that were decently easy before become pretty precise, making it more difficult in the wrong way.
With the previous seasons, I sometimes disagreed, but could understand where they were coming from. Here? It's just frustrating. I couldn't even finish the last one.
I mean, I live and die with Spyro but come on guys, Crash Bandicoot 2 was way better than Spyro 1. If it was Crash 1 vs Spyro 1 or Crash 2 vs Spyro 2, I could understand but Spyro 1 is just not enough things to win against Crash 2. At least we have some conversation about the games though, it was fun to watch.
I love Spyro, but the bosses are so forgettable in the first game. When I was kid and killed Toasty, I didn't even realize that I killed Toasty....I am dead serious. The boss was so easy that I convinced myself that it couldn't possibly have been the boss and I kept going back to the stage trying to find the actual boss. It wasn't until years later that I realized my mistake.
@@Imal00ter20 Thank you, Spyro controls like ass. How did the discussion get all the way to the end without anyone discussing some of the worst camera controls in all of gaming.
@@nate3487 Crash didn't have the greatest camera either. The peudo 2D section of Crash gave me trouble. The showed the camera from the side, but you could still run off towards or away from the screen and run off without realized you were that close to the end. Also the Polar sections where you're running towards the screen were awful at points, giving you no time to react thanks to the speed, making it more about memorization than skills.
I agree with Jirard (and disagree with Furst) in his remark about them not really having discussed what really make the games great and their intricacies; I'm personally happy Spyro won - not just because I prefer the series over Crash but also because there's a legitimate point to be made about playing Spyro 1 in conjunction with the other ones. They make it sound a bit as if the sequels are simply objectively better in every single way - and in most of the mechanical ways, they absolutely are. However, the elements that make the first Spyro game unique still holds true to this very day. The way in which the worlds are linked by a hubworld, and theme-related worlds in it, producing a very coherent atmosphere (the music also does a great job at accentuating that, since the worlds often have unique sound-quirks and such); while the sequels have a hubworld - and then a bunch of completely unrelated levels inside. Which, by the way, is NOT worse - it's just different. The somewhat desolate nature of the first game; few NPCs (basically the dragons once you save them), somewhat daunting and oppresive levels at points (looking at you, Dark Passage) also makes it rather unique - while Spyro 2 and 3 have ton of related NPCs to the worlds, quests and such. Gonna sound like a doof, but going to quickly compare them to Fallout 3 vs. New Vegas, as 3 tends to focus more on a lonesome, solemn journey, while NV is filled with NPCs and quests and lore and such. Therefore, I believe there's a case to be made about getting a different experience from the first game and the others - even when the controls and general mechanics will be way updated. Hope they will get a chance to air these points next time it's up, but not sure they will be.
I definitely agree with you there. Spyro 1 has the best atmosphere and while the other two games are definitely mechanically better, I feel like there's a lot more going on in 1 that makes it special.
As someone who played and completed these when I was a very young girl and replayed them both (PS1 versions and remakes), I feel like a lot of points were left out on both games. Both brought something to the PlayStation era. Crash went from 3d to 2d platforming. Sypro massive areas brought the seeing something far away. Crash continue his story brought new stuff and a polar bear to his game. Sypro style kept the same for the next two games meaning it was a great base to build up from. Both games don't really have an in-depth story but that because both are supposed to be like a cartoon. From start to death and to end I felt and still feel like I am playing a cartoon. To be honest I can't really pick. Sypro was my first own game while Crash was my first PlayStation game. I just feel like they miss a lot of points in this episode of madness.
For someone who grew up with Spyro and Crash Bandicoot 1 not two or three, I choose Spyro because... It doesn't matter if you are casual or a hardcore gamer. If you just want to run around I Spyro and do absolutely nothing just touch a bunch of enemies then you can. With Crash Bandicoot, you can't be a Casual Gamer. In Crash Bandicoot you have to realize what you are doing to do it. In Spyro the Dragon you can do pretty much whatever you want on the first home world. Basically you don't have to be limited in Spiro of what to do. If you want to charging a circle you can, if you decide you want to get to a high ledge and fly you can. In Crash Bandicoot you have no choice if you go into a level on what you want to do. Even when I play the insane trilogy and played crash to there, I had no option on what I wanted to do or freedom. In Spyro the Dragon HD update or not, you still can do whatever you want, have free range of Mobility or do whatever you want. So my pig has to go for Spyro the Dragon
This was the most looked forward to episode for me, and I'm glad the victor was Spyro. As a kid, I had more fun with Spyro, more fond memories, just enjoyed it more. When the remastered Crash games were announced, I was like, oh, cool, I never got to play 3, might look into that. When the Spyro Reignited Trilogy was announced, I lost my damn mind. And I hadn't even played Ripto's Rage nor Year of the Dragon.
The biggest problem I have had so far is that it feels as though the people talking about the games are coming in with their choice made before the argument. I can't think of a point where the vote went different than what they knew they were going to choose from the start. It kind of removes the point of the discussion itself.
@@w0joshcbrln0w No, the bias of "this game was my childhood so that's why I like it more." I think it's only fair to have someone who has never even played the games before to try them out and see if the games would still be fun if played by someone who has never grew up with that.
You don't have a debate about the Best Game Ever and have one of the judges be someone who has less than 10 hours experience with every title combined. That's fucking asinine. If it was a normal podcast, sure, go ahead and have him on, but in a debate format Barry is VERY clearly the weak link.
I enjoy watching this, and appreciate the time spent by all those involved. What I don’t understand is why you have people on a panel who have played none of the games. I want to hear from someone knowledgeable about the topic, because then you have more meaningful discussion.
Projared is in a secret lair right now, reading the comments over on a giant monitor, sipping from a goblet and laughing "they all mocked me, complained about me, but now they wish I was there, to tell them the game that best represents the PS1! THE FOOLS!"
i personally like spyro a bit more all together but both were great games and either way i wasn't gonna be disappointed with the outcome...unlike final fantasy 9
This one was probably the toughest one for me because Crash 2 and Spyro were my first two PS1 games (got them at the same time) and I probably spent an even amount of time with them so this one was exceptionally difficult for me.
I'm happy that the Completionist agrees that how we compare games and what games that are on the list and how they fight one another is kinda bs. It would be better if it was crash 2 and spyro 2 then what this is.
The lack of experience this panel has on the topic of ps1 games is actually maddening. I don't think this is enlightening at all when Barry bases all his arguments on the first hour. And just like Jirard said, they never got into what makes the games good, and the newcomers to each game just speak to the controls of each game nearly exclusicely. Newcomers can not go deep on how satisfying each game is. I HATE how much the "which game would you rather pick up and play right now" comes up. That eliminates any rpg from the running... the ps1 is a treasure trove of beloved, amazing, rewarding rpgs with tons of content, but because ape escape is an easier game to pick up and play, it wins. Likewise, spyro is the easier feeling game at first, so it wins. I would rather see a panel of normal boots fans who are well versed on the subject matter in its entirety over the normal boots cast if they're not going to take the research seriously . I may have a tolerance for each panelist to have limited experience in one game max each season.
Im with Jirard on this. Small nitpicky arguments took away from interesting things about this two games. Like material properties in Spyro or the variety of theming in Crash 2. Big hugs to Jirard!
To play devils advocate, I can think of at least one thing Spyro 1 does better than the later ones: having a straight forward objective. The objective of Spyro 2 is to collect all the talismans, did I say talismans? I meant orbs, so you can beat napoleon bad guy and save the alternate universe you don't care about because you just wanted to go to an amusement park. Spyro 1? You are a dragon, every other dragon got trapped in crystal, free them from the crystals and beat up the guy who did it. Later Spyro games followed suit with other collect-a-thons and filled themselves with different objectives; Spyro 1 stayed simple and pure, explore for dragons and free dragons. You were never at a loss for what to do. This all being said, yeah the later games were bigger and mechanically better, just wanted to give a reason why some one might like the first one most. Also something occurred to me while watching this, why is Tomb Raider not on the bracket?
Okay so the truth is this. Sypro is very see through. It is clear what the idea of the game was. Crash is confusing as all get out when conveying its control concept. Side scroll crsh, third person crash, over head crash. No real clear state of mind as the game is rather jaggedly put together. Spyro on the other hand is jump collect. Do it in lava. DO IT ON ICE. it's fun. it works also purple dragon. SOOOOOOO GREAT CHOICE.
Honestly I agree with Caddy and Jirad that Crash 2 was the better game of the two. I am surprised that the entire argument for Spyro was "Better controls" but no discussion of the better characters, story, music, boss fight, level design, Graphics or entertainment value which was a clear winner on all fronts for Crash 2 in my opinion.
See the difference between this discussion and the FF IX vs. Ape Escape discussion? At least this feels and sounds like a discussion between people that played both games
problem is, spyro doesnt show much flaw until later into the game. but when it happens the game gets so frustrating because there is nothing you can do. the issue with crash controls are an issue of timing when you fall or miss an enemy. the flaws are immediate, but as you progress you get used to it. i think the issue here is they didnt play either game for long enough to adjust to it.
I think it’s important to decipher that Barry is not saying that he has never played these games. He is saying he never played them as a kid, which removes the nostalgia googles.
I rarely saw the game over screens in the PS1 Spyro games. I always backtrack for butterflies when I'm low on health, and you can always use Exit Level from the pause menu if you fall out of the level.
This was a really well debated episode guys! Good job! I love Crash and Spyro and either or would have been a win for me. However Crash 2 (IMO) doesn't hold up to Spyro. And it is on a control basis. Spyro's controls cater to the job you are trying to do in the game, the camera although not the best isn't out to deceive you. Crash 2 had AN ENTIRE second game to work out its kinks in hit boxes and controls and they didn't. As Barry said when approaching a pit it is difficult to determine how to make the jump. For those who say it's not at all, chances are that, like Jirard and Caddy, you've become desensitized to the poor camera placement and awkward hit box. Spyro you can keep going and rarely die with the exception of maybe Treetop. Also the only reason Crash probably even has so many different death animations is because of the BS and how frequently you die in the game which yes makes it charming but ultimately they put decorations on a hole in the wall and say it's fine.
This episode is for me what the Ape Escape v. Final Fantasy debate is for others. You have 2 people who have 100% both games and know them inside and out saying one thing, losing to 2 other people who only played the games briefly because the tie breaker also isn't super familiar with either game.
My boy Jirard trying his best every time. I'm disagreeing with almost every match results here, getting a bit frustrating honestly, but I see you Jirard. And I admire your work
After going back and playing both trilogies of these two mascots (remakes and originals), Crash won hands down. It wasn't afraid to challenge you, whereas Spyro felt like it was trying to hold your hand throughout. Never ever hit a game over screen on Spyro 2 or 3 ever in my life.
We need a more balanced cast here. I find it unfair the FF loses because most of this table hate RPGs. I also find the people here should have PLAYED the games before trying to have a meaningful discussion about them.
The fact that one complaint about Crash 2, that was said to happen in Spyro in the late game, outweighed all the other arguments they had for Crash 2 being better is ridiculous.
I love both Crash Bandicoot 2 and Spyro the Dragon, but to me this competition isn't even close. Crash Bandicoot 2 has acceptable platforming with linear level designs that essentially hit the same beats over and over again with the occasional appearance of frustration. Spyro the Dragon is a massive game with gigantic worlds to explore and deeper mechanics when it comes to gliding, super charging, understanding how to tackle different enemies with different moves, and entire secret areas to discover when you put it all together. It's like comparing Crash Bandicoot to Super Mario 64 only Spyro takes everything that Mario 64 does well and improves upon them to a massive degree to make a game that is still a blast to play today regardless of nostalgia.
See, even though I don't agree with the result, this has been the best episode of the season, because you guys articulated your comments well and everyone has played both games!
they didn't articulate anything, just talked about what they thought were shitty controls, just because they wanted spyro to win. Caddy and Jirard could have shifted the tides but they didn't have any convincing arguments.
I don't think they wanted Spyro to win, per se. Most people are saying Barry doesn't have much experience playing these games, he is as impartial as it gets. The best defense the Completionist could come up with was "you haven't played the game long enough." That's like disliking an anime after ten episodes and then someone retorts, "But you haven't made it to episode 50! It gets real then!".
i don't think i really ever see a game over screen in spyro but have seen it plenty of times in crash. i think its just coddys play style is different' just cause he is able to live more in crash doesn't mean everyone can.
Yeah I don't really know where that came from, I have forgotten what the game over screen even looked like in Spyro 1 whereas Crash I saw plenty of times as a kid. However, Crash being a harder game doesn't mean it has bad controls, it just means it takes more time to learn the intricacies, the distances of jumps etc.
I always liked spyro more because I love the visuals and settings more, even to this day no other game has had quite that same whimsical story book feel like the original spyro games and the use of colors was always something that stood out to me and left a big impact
This whole season has been riddled with the same damn problem. You have guests who have not sufficiently played enough of the games to comment effectively. How about for the next season you tell the people involved beforehand to go and complete all the games on the list and then make them discuss them. So far I feel so bad for Jirard because he is the only one who has played every single game mentioned to completion, and yet the others are just like "Well I've played an hour of the other game and I think it is better". I think Jirard has been the only one who has made the right choice every single time, but has been outvoted by people who haven't even finished or in some cases even played the games mentioned. R.I.P. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Final Fantasy IX, Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back. You were all taken before your time.
Jirard needs some rest after those last few videos 🛏️💤
he sure does
but sleepy Jirard's the best
Please get Arin on a season of madness!
@@wamisalami yes please
What he needs is to stop jinxing every bracket! Did he "won" any choice that wasnt a stomp?
PD: Love you Jirard
Thank you Jirard for pointing out that others need to stop comparing sequels to prequels and you need to focus on two games you are supposed to talk about. That was annoying to be honest.
Barry "I didn't play Either of these games" Kramer.
Yet he played both.
@@brendanrisney2449 First stages. I did saw the Avengers trailer, can i debate about the quality of the film?
Barry fucking sucks. He has no place here.
@@DiabloCloud trailler are often cut before the final cut of the movie. it would be like if he played a demo or a beta. Playing the first stage is like watching the first 20 minutes so you would only see the character introduction
@@pickk90 Good observation. Then it is like seeing the first 20 minutes and complaining about characters being one dimensional and not growing. (He did said Spyro was great because of the amount of collectives, when he didnt knew they grew to a point it was tedious in later stages)
I'd love it if Barry can come back for a season where they are debating something he actually has more experience with. I like him, but he's hardly played these games and he won't even really consider what the others, who have played the games, are saying.
Also thank you for trying Jirard, we appreciate you.
He kind of seems like he just decided devil's advocate was the best role to play if he doesn't know much about the games but in a series like this where he actually has to vote for one, him leaning towards voting for something he doesn't necessarily like just because Jirard is voting for the other one just seems like it's not in keeping with the spirit of an elimination bracket based on popular vote.
I still can't fathom why Spyro 1 outvoted 2 and 3
yeah people are real idiots
because its better lol
@@stoney0503 very funny
whats funny about it spyro 3 is trash and spyro 2 is almost as good as 1
people have different opinions
as an example, I think that the best Spyro game is Spyro3 while Spyro 2 is the worst
No way Spyro won. Guys on the left have no idea, Caddy and the Completionist have played both games a lot of times and they seem to have a better constructed opinion on this matter.
Jirard's been the MVP of this entire bracket, yet he keeps losing because nobody takes in anything he has to say.
here's my opinion on the matter as someone who grew up with both series as a kid and has put hundreds of hours into both Crash 2 and Spyro 1, i've played a hell of allot more of Crash 2 in my days but i can still say Spyro 1 is the better game imo, Spyro's level feel like they are lived in and are not just there for the simple purpose of getting a crystal for Cortex and i disagree with them saying crash has more personality than spyro, Spyro's voice actor for the time and especially in the remakes is spot on and delivers way more personality than a mute ever could imo
I like Barry normally, but why exactly is he on this panel if he's so green on PS1 games? Was he literally the only one you could get?
I think it's interesting to hear the views of someone who didn't have the console in their youth, just wish they all had time to finish the games and get to their ends before doing this.
@@Angus_MacFarlane Not having the console in his youth is one thing. But Barry has made it clear that he has only played a handful of PS1 games on the bracket. If you're gonna be on a panel arguing about the best PS1 game, I think having significant experience playing the game is paramount. If you didn't play it as a kid, but played it only a few years ago, that's fine. I mean, I only had 5 games on my SNES growing up, but I've played enough of them in the years since that I could reasonably debate anyone on a Best SNES Game bracket. However, the only Genesis games I have any experience in are the Sonic games and the first Vectorman game, so I would be a TERRIBLE choice for a Best Genesis Game debate.
honestly thats a good thing to have, fresh eyes and they played small bits before hand
speaking personally, I like having Barry because I never played PS1 games, so I can project the opinions I've got over the years about these games with Barry's opinions, it's obviously not necessary for me though. Overall, I'd prefer he had the time to complete or seen these games completed at least once before being in the panel.
I don't think it's fair to single out any one guest on this regarding the issue of them having no experience, I think the real issue is that they don't have the time to play the games before they start judging them and since the games are selected in a public poll, they have to wait before they even know what games will appear on the bracket.
As somebody who hasn't played some of these games, I'd love to see some more gameplay clips inserted into these videos.
Also as somebody who hasn't played some of these games, I am available to sit on future panels to discuss how good these games that I've never played are.
They already have barry for that second part LUL
Came here to express that second thought. Doesn’t make sense having someone who hasn’t played ANY of these games.
Everyone's complaining about Barry, but I think Lee is doing a poor job this season. If it comes down to a tiebreaker, he always goes with the controversial pick for the sake of being controversial, which is evident in the Ape Escape v Final Fantasy 9 discussion. He's not going the game with better arguments, he's being a d*** to whoever gives better points for no good reason. For that I think this is a bad season.
I don't think there's any evidence to back that up because Forrest just states the game and that's the end of it. You might be right, but he never explains himself. I wish he'd say at least a single sentence explaining why he chose one game over the other.
Agree with you, some episodes he says that, by the arguments, a game won. And only by the arguments, like in RE2 win. This time, i believe that, almost objectively, crash was better defended than spyro, but the arguments didnt matter this time. He is clearly trying to be controversial and it works, a lot of comments and angry viewers that keep coming here. Not profesional if you want a good debate, but clearly draws attention. I am upset, would prefer either a fair debate and judging decision or a full funny vision.
What i have to add, the edit, the gameplay videos and everything has to improve, i do not know if it is Lee who does that
I can agree, it seemed like right out the gate he was against Crash even when Jirard like pointed and debunked the idea that the controls were bad the simple fact was Barry and Shane didn't bother to try and understand the mechanics and yet in Ape Escape vs FF9, Barry was like, "the controls are fine." And Shane was like, "um no?" Like WTF are they doing this season, like "objectively FF9 is better, but we haven't played it so... Ape Escape wins!" Like WTF no that's not how this works, you've established in episodes prior that's not how this works, you've already said in the N64 one that our favorite doesn't make it the best and again in the 90s cartoon one! Like WTF!
This!!!! Exactly Daniel you are spot on with the way Lee deals with these debates
I'm not sure how you've gathered that, but I apologize if its come off that way. The only matchup I feel like I actually did that with was for FFIX vs Ape Escape, but for this one... I legitimately thought that the game that won had the better arguments for it. I personally feel that the game that lost has weaker controls, and is therefore a lesser game (still great!). The panelists defending said game only had "well, you need to play it more", which I do not believe is a good argument for convincing someone (or at least me) that one platformer is better than another.
Again, other than the aforementioned Ape Escape Fiasco of 2018, I do not understand what I've done to make you feel this way, but I apologize for it. However, I do stand by all of my decisions and believe that the I voted for the games with the superior arguments in (almost) every episode.
projared should be in this bracket instead of barry, no offense.
"Yeah, it's the better game, but is it the better PS1 game?"
PBG could've done it too, he's probably played more PS games than even Barry has.
"What defines a PS1 Game? FMVs and shitty voice acting"
I bet there glad projared is not in this video now lol
You still want him now?
I am really taking this season with a grain of salt, who doesn't feel Jirard's pain....
I do...so very much.
While for the most part, I agree, his Mario comparison really made me question the validity of his statement. He's comparing learning a game mechanic to learning how to compensate for shitty controls. Like... what?
But his whole "Ignore the other games, this is about Spyro 1 and Crash 2" thing was great to hear.
@@brendanrisney2449 Learning the momentum of Crash is comparable to learning Mario's jump mechanic. I don't see why that isn't valid.
Because they were complaining about poor controls, saying it was impossible to get Crash to move the right amount. The only thing about momentum was the sliding mechanic which, to Jirard's credit, does work in the analogy. But that wasn't what they were talking about. Or at least not what I understood them to be talking about.
Barry did you play ANY of the games? i might be wrong but it seems that you haven't beaten a single one of them. And you just play one hour of each or so, in some cases not even that.
I think he played metal gear
No he didnt but he still has a good place here , a viewer point of view with no nostalgia but with a first impresion.i relate to him a lot
@@dragonbullets2763 Maybe, but first impressions shouldn't have a place when discussing the best game of a generation. You can have you opinion of a game, but if you award a game as better than another, and you then play it and then regret it, because you realize your opinion was only half baked, I'd say your opinion shouldn't even be on the table.
So far, it seems to be only Ape Escape and PaRappa the Rapper and parts of the rest.
+Dragos Goanta This isn't a nostalgia debate. Nostalgia is fine, but if you're going to debate which game is the best PS1 game, you need to have played the fucking game first. If it was 20 years ago or 2 months ago, it doesn't matter.
I like Barry but why is he in this show? He hasn't play the games they are discussing.
honestly its good thing to have, fresh eyes and they played small bits before hand
WHY IS BARRY ON THIS SEASON.
He hasn't played SHIT
Totally agree, it's like having a drunk person talk politics
Because we love him and because he has a beard that matches with everyone.
As much as I like Barry I agree, he’s going off of the first couple of levels of a game and some seriously good games are suffering for it. Crash lost to Spyro for having “inferior controls” when the reality is that Spyros controls towards the end is garbage and objectively inferior to Crash.
Imal00ter20 He supposedly understands game design. I mean, his entire RUclips channel is based off of gameplay development analysis.
@@maciekx10 I agree, it must be the beard
I don't think I've ever had a problem with Crash 2's controls. Crash has a defined weight, but he's also floaty enough to have good aerial maneuverability to help with second guessing jumps. He has a defined jump arc depending on the direction pressed and how hard the Jump button was pressed, and he control nearly identical in each camera change (although I do dislike the 2.5D near-isometric side-scrolling bonus levels, the 2D side-scrolling levels are vastly superior). Spyro 1 on the other hand, compared to Spyro 2 and 3, and especially Crash 2 and 3, probably has the weakest controls. Spyro moves in such a way that momentum is being fought, and the inactive-active camera system fights with the surprisingly fast paced movement and (low amount of required) platforming. Spyro is innately slippery on his feet, and the constant need to make near-perfect jumps (which were fixed/removed in 2 and 3, especially with the addition of the saving grace that was the hover/flutter) or risk immediate death and a relatively quick loading screen really hampers the actual platforming of the game.
I also don't know how Spyro 1 beat out the clearly superior Spyro 2, and the superior but slightly inferior to Ripto's Rage, Year of the Dragon. Either not enough people voted, or the ones that did had (from how much fans talk about and judge, and personally) unpopular opinions towards the coveted trilogies earliest incarnation. I can see why Crash 2 won out of that trilogy, though. Crash 2 was (like with Spyro 3) more focused in theme and levels, and had a bit more character staying power and growth
“Crash 2 is better” at the minute mark. I’ll just take that as the victory it deserved...
Final Fantasy 9 should have won.
Too bad this isn't the FFIX video.
We will never forget
He asked at the end of the video who should’ve won. I answered him. You are free to post who you think should’ve won as well.
@@IfOUGHTpIRANHAz I doubt he was referring to the other videos but you can r/whooosh me now or whatever.
Never give up, never surrender
I like Barry, but he has barely played these games, why is he here?
I get being super well versed in a game is important but the fresh face of going into something with no nostalgia is a valid and sometimes needed for a proper discussion. (I know Barry based it all on nostalgia for the previous madness i mean more so here.)
They probably did not have the game choices crowdsourced before they chose the cast.
He was in the office and they asked him and he said sure.
Dolphin Smart there isn't enough time even with these two in particular being decently short games. I wish Barry had the time to finish both of them before the recording too but with scheduling there can't be time for that to realistically happen. They are all very busy individuals. First impressions are important too. And that's where I'll leave matters.
Furst, you hurt me, you hurt me. Also, I enjoy Barry but I feel that maybe he should have been picked for a different season of Madness because it feels like every episode it starts with him having very little experience with both games.
I mean I haven’t played any of these games but based off the arguments Crash shoulda won. Also, as everyone else is saying, we love you Barry, but we really should be finding people who’ve played (and finished) at least 3/4 of these games. Only makes sense tbh. I’m sure the actual best game will come out on top, but just consider these things for the next season.
No comments on this...
Edit: Jirard is the only one who is really giving any insights about the games and yet no one takes what he says...
Hes a proven liar tho, and he tries to manipulate everyone on the panel. I think furst caught on which is why he sided against jirard so much this season. Just watch the very beginning of the silent hill video and see the 1st thing jirard says and his mannerisms.. Once you see it, you cant unsee it lol
@@exiled5160 well at least he gave a reason on WHY he said that, still he is giving insights about the games. I don't think it is a mature thing to do just because of that.
"I never played either of these."
Bruh did you own a PS1?
Edit: 15:04.......Then why are you on this pannel?
I think because he doesn't hold any nostalgia for ps1 games, which seems fair.
Not his choice, I believe.
It adds an interesting perspective to this panel, imo.
Barry's a gamer and I think that holds enough merit. I never owned a PSX ( have played several PSX games on the PS3 ) and I still have opinions on each of these episodes.
@@christophervinson5088 and everyone has a right to their opinion but if you want a good debate on two matter from the same subject, you should lean towards those who have experience and not those who dont.
That's like saying "I haven't seen the movie but I've watched the commercial twice."
@@nickgonzales4674 He judges things from his first impresion and doesn't hold nostalgia which helps making this fair
I agree with Cad, Spyro 2 is way better and i think Spyro 1 is worse than Crash 2.
Yes, because Spyro 1 is weakest in franchise so why it is here?
TheRezro because people who vote on twitter don’t know shit or don’t really think because it’s pole on Twitter. It’s poor way on deciding brackets really, but I don’t know other easy ways.
Also agree with Grim and Cad.
Spyro 1 is my favorite. I disliked the minigames on 2 and 3 and the world had much more backtracking and felt like a less fleshed-out landscape. Spyro 1 feels more free and open.
Litucino Plantino I can see that. It’s still a good game.
But doesn’t it feels a bit empty? Especially in comparison to it’s sequels?
I think Spyro 1 is way better than both Spyro 2 and Crash 2.
Throughout this entire ballot, I've never felt more for Jirard, fighting the true fight
Oh god Jirard I'm suffering with you here
Sigh Crash should’ve won. Spyro 2 and 3 I could see coming out on top but still would’ve been close.
It basically should be Spyro 2/3
Crash 2 should’ve won over Spyro 1 in my honest opinion from a person who loves Spyro slightly more then Crash but will cherish both of them as brothers no matter what
@@N8veJay But Spyro 1 never should be in this competition instead superior Spyro 2/3 (just fanboys are dumb). And they did address this issue. Even if people make the list, they still are deciding factor. They basically exchange the game in the competition to give this franchise proper representation.
TheRezro that is facts
@@N8veJay Fact is that it is they private show 0_0
Jim Caddick needs to learn how to have a conversation without interrupting the others. He constantly disrupts the other speakers' lines of thought. He is waiting for his time to talk instead of listening to the others' points. Give him a notepad if he is worried about forgetting his ideas.
Townsend Montilla I think he’s relatively new to these conversations. I could be wrong but I don’t blame his excitement. You’re right but he’ll learn with experience.
caddy has always been like this, he's very full of himself and always try to say what he wants first. he'll get better, but it will take a tone of time
I'm just wondering but how are Crash 2's controls bad? From playing it quite recently and over the years they always felt responsive, done what was intended, very little if any delay for inputs so it feels weird they are so hung up on this issue for a game that had fine controls. Plus the way Barry talks about the camera, as if it goes flying all over the place all the time, it is either behind you and moves with you or it is along the lines of old school 2d platformers moving from left to right.
Edit: Further on in the video, it almost feels as if they have never played platformers because they can't judge jump distances?
Yea can't believe they said both games suffer from unprecise controls, Crash 2 and 3 have the best and most precise jumping in any 3D platformer ever
and the judge just chooses spyro because... yeah this season sukcs, Caddy and Jirard know these games better but they don't have convincing arguments. Like, Caddy is the MVP for crash discussions but he didn't get any points across because he got confused as to why they would say Crash has shitty controls.
crash 2 controls are amazing, this dude complaining about it is just shit lmao
Well apparently the theme this season is take whatever one single shitty argument you have whether it makes sense or not and run with it, and hope you just make Forrest agree with you so you win, that's been more or less every episode this season, just throw out any prior arguments we've made in the past, like, "just because I like it doesn't make it objectively better." Like Barry is so out of his element, Forrest just feels like he's got a vendetta and Shane lands somewhere in the middle, meanwhile Caddy and Jirard are trying to actually objectively pick the better games for case and point watch RE2 vs Silent Hill, despite Caddy loving silent I think he even said he liked it more, he knew objectively RE2 was better so he voted for it, that's what should be going on they're supposed to be deciding the best of the system not playing favorites. Even PBG voted against his favorite TV shows when he knew that objectively speaking they were worse than the thing they were going against.
Crash 2 and 3's controls are tight af. no complaints.
And which GAME doesnt have annoying ice slide physics??? It's supposed to be annoying.
It's really hard to watch this after how good the N64 debates were.
We really need people who have actually played the games to debate them. It's obvious that Jirard and Caddy are frustrated because they clearly have way more understanding of these games compared to Barry and Shane to an extent.
Just... sad to watch.
The 64 debates were trash. They changed their arguments EVERY video even about the same games. there was no consistency
@@exiled5160 The game comparisons weren't consistent but that's because they kept losing focus on what the main topic was... but ProJared (although he did it in a slightly annoying way) and Jirard kept things on topic generally.
I feel that I enjoyed the N64 debates much more because, overall, the games that won deserved the win. The PS1 comparisons so far are just... ridiculous. You have judges who actually haven't played the games, you have topics of discussion that make absolutely no sense and prove their inexperience with the game(s) (ie "Oh Crash controls are so bad I press the thing and he doesn't do the thing")
The N64 debates at least showcased everyone's knowledge of the system and its iconic games. This is just... sad. It's Jirard and Caddy vs 3 people who have barely any experience with the games. Clearly there's a lot of bias.
mikallink regardless of the criteria they followed, the debates themselves were good for the most part.
There is no way sm64 deserved it over OoT. It has a terrible camera and imprecise controls. OoT still plays fine... MM is the best 64 game imo tho. and goldeneye over PM? Banjo over Starfox? Lol c'mon
@@exiled5160 The N64 madness wasn't great, definitely inconsistent at times, but this bracket is somehow even more ridiculous. And honestly, even though I love OoT over SM64, I can understand why some people would prefer SM64. People play games differently, but at least there was reason for *some* of the decisions they made, because they had all played the games before.
Even the Goldeneye vs PM64 decision, I can understand, if they were more interested in the action shooter multiplayer genre. But at least they've all played the damn games.
This season is just a complete shitshow, and unless one game is just obviously better than another (FF7 vs Parappa) then it makes no sense who wins, because nobody has even played the games, so they haven't provided any good discussion.
Jirard is so done with life
He's wondering why he's sitting at a table talking about games which nobody else has played.
Please stop having Barry judge things he never has played. And then on top of that he keeps saying trollie answers. That is the one thing people are mad about. We care about these games and yall keep saying troll answers except jhirard bless his soul for putting up with this crap.
I dunno... I tend to agree with Barry and the rest on a lot of their perspectives...
Seriously, why did they keep the guy who seems to have barely played the PS1 library?
LunaticPandora that’s why they need him, nostalgia isn’t a factor for him
@@NamelessKing1597 Some of the best games have held up very poorly over time. If you didn't play them back then then you are, at best, judging them by solely today's standards - which may be less fair than viewing them through nostalgia goggles.
No, it just means that, since he has no experience, he will just favor the easier game. Pfft, actual effort? No thanks?
@@NamelessKing1597 Not only is nostalgia not a factor for him but experience or having played the games at all also aren't a factor for him. Yes, it would have been great if Barry or whoever had not played the game in their childhood but to give the person an hour to judge a game they never have touched is asinine.
Even reviewers with the tightest of time constraints are given like two days to beat a game even if it means playing on the easiest difficulty.
Good point but he should still be required to finish the games.
_This bracket is completely random._
Sure.
What an outrage. The only thing I agree with is it WASN'T a fair fight but that's because you're comparing Crash 2 to the First Spyro. Both great games but damn does the first Spyro get really monotonous after the first 40 dragon rescues. and it's far too easy of a game unless you're playing it at the age of 5. Imho, Crash 2 wins.
@singular on1 This is why they should put the polls on RUclips...
Spyro won either way.....
Crash 2 gets way more monotonous. It's a good game, but it's pretty much the same thing over and over again. Spyro 1 on the other hand really mixes it up with the level designs and secret areas.
3:20 Jirard speaking SO MUCH SENSE
crash 1 vs Spyro 1 spyro wins
Crash 2 vs spyro 1 Crash wins it's objectively better
Even tho I agree, I'd disagree bcs objectiveness has no room in subjective discussions
Gami Mon although in a argument, Crash 2 is gonna win more likely than Spyro 1
No it isn't.
Is Jirard ok? He seems very quiet in these, you alright buddy?
I think it's just stress, he's been talking about it on the beard Bros
After that "debate" of both final fantasys really wore him out.
He really does stretch himself thin doesnt he, he has a lot of projects and hes firing all cylinders on them constantly
@@RainyDayVarietyShow yah, I wish he'd take a month off, but the algorithm will destroy him if he does so
Yep that controversial algorithm. Because i think thats exactly what he needs, or maybe just do 8 easy games in 3 weeks and have his team edit them and he just pops in for the voice over and boom little vacation time
Did half the people not play the games again?
Jirard for new madness host please
Jirard brought the hammer today. That was well explained.
I understand Barry and Shanes' control gripe as I did experience it. Regarding both fronts I sit with Barry in the green camp as I never owned a PS1 or either game. But in my time playing Crash is tighter but Spyro was a bit loafty and almost more forgiving.
A little bummed that story was not discussed really. Neither are sublime but worth a mention. Crash's soundtrack is a major victory over Spyro.
Why are you collecting Gems in Spyro? Dragons are story related but gems? Crash had the story gem and two other items but which had the more important collectable? A lot on controls which are critical for both but left the rest of the game to freeze on both fronts.
Final long winded feedback: Shane seems rather distant compared to past seasons, not as excited I feel. Maybe PS isn't his jam so it was nice to see his feedback. Barry coming in more or less blind and nostalgic free is nice. Bummer about all the hate in the comments but pretty much he could be the swing vote before Mr. Lee. Have them convince you why their favorite game is better. While weighing your preferences. Jirard focusing it back to the two entries vs the franchise was good and Caddy was/is at home regarding PS1 titles.
Overall interested and lots of growing pain fellas. Keep at it.
Kratos Sagara Spyro is more forgiving? Lol just play the last few levels my friend. I'm in limbo between these two games. I think Crash 2 has better levels and bosses but I enjoy the soundtrack and aesthetic of Spyro 1 more. I can't decide if I like the Gems or Crates more. They're both great collectibles.
I feel like this one could have gone either way, just because both Spyro and Crash were the icons of the original PS and their games filled the same niche. I'm more of a Crash fan myself, but I can't argue with the results.
@@burgskeletal3149 Perhaps that is the case for the last couple levels but do those alone define it? People could argue the opening hours are the pacing to the game and define it by that alone. I would hope the further into the game you go a more of the challenge it becomes. Now are the later levels poorly designed for the controls? Or vice versa? A lot could have been discussed but was hung up on controls.
I dunno which Crash it is but Stormy Ascent (Remastered exclusive yes?) And The High Road from a lot of people get the bird. The only level from Spyro I know that even comes close is the Twisted Tree level due to required use of the super charge which apparently does not handle well in combination with the camera. Either way a lot to cover in sub 22min.
Crates sometimes were a puzzle to pop and even provided a hazard, so a good reward while the gems I felt were just there with a couple instances of where is the key or firework. The sound effects in Spyro were more fun I think as a whole but the soundtrack to Spyro does not stand out to me. I like Spyro's fantasy dragon aesthetic but Jirard even said it was empty feeling.
Kratos Sagara Stormy Ascent and The High Road are from Crash 1. I'm not saying the later levels of Spyro 1 are unfair, but they are less forgiving than later levels in Crash 2.
I actually think Spyro 1 has Crash 2 beat when it comes to the early levels. The Artisan hubworld in Spyro 1 is so charming.
I enjoy the crates more from a gameplay perspective, but sound effect when you collect gems is soooo satisfying.
I wouldnt say Spyro 1 is empty per se. I think lonely is a better word to describe it since there are no interactive NPCs in the game.
Fair enough perhaps I misunderstood what you meant in the original post in regards to later levels. That is fair to say I suppose, I have not played either that far just watched play throughs.
The Artisian Hub is wonderful and a joy to traverse. The hub to Crash 2 is like the gameplay, condensed and to the point. One not being outright better in any sense.
Crash did not have NPCs either to my knowledge but due to the more on screen condensed nature of Crash it feels fuller but less connected. Spyro is a bit lean but everything is fairly well connected, both transition and theme.
For sure a touch match up which is why I was a little bummed controls were the MAIN point when each has a lot more to discuss.
I notice how everyone is complaining about Barry being on this panel. And I can see the point. It is a little annoying for him to constantly say "I've never played this game" besides the streams he's done with Shane, but I want to add this to the table.
Barry is kind of like the new outlook on these games. Caddy and Jirard are experienced in PS1, Shane is kinda experienced from what I can tell, so Barry is the fresh outlook. The unbiased, fresh outlook. That being said, I do have to complain about how Furst is choosing his winners. I would love it if he were to explain why the victor won. Go into detail. This is a debate after all. I love everything you do at NB all of you guys.
(Also let me steal your idea because this video series seems interesting and I wanna do it with my own friends thanks and goodbye!!!)
20:00 It really felt like Forest was trying to quickly sweep Shane into a Spyro vote while he was speaking positively about it because he wanted Spyro to win
I'm honestly surprised Spyro won, and that's coming from a Spyro fan. I just wish it was Spyro 2, cuz I think it'll have a better shot later in the bracket than Spyro 1.
It’s ok Jirard. Just tell him. Just say, “Barry you are wrong....about everything you said...during both seasons you were in....but it’s ok” lol
Yes a common problem in any platformer when you don't have enough experience is that you miss jumps, it happens to my little brothers all the time. Experts on halo and battlefield but give them mario and htey miss 50% of the jumps. You have to get adjusted to the weight of the characters, how much can they jump in any given situation and i think thats what caddi and jirard are debating when shane and barry say that they miss several jumps.
yeah but even today i hear fans complain about crashes controls.
@@exiled5160 to my knowledge is mainly on the first one, that ask you to land in tiny slipery plancks of wood while bouncing on turtles and all that.
@@exiled5160 If you're talking about the new on, it's due to how they changed Crash's hitbox for the insane trilogy. They had to compromise as they needed Crash to feel the same in all three games, but this made the first game harder because of it. You see, in the first game crashes hitbox is exactly that, a square box. This causes a lot of the jumps in Crash 1 to be more forgiving as you could literally be floating in air as you jump. In the later games, they rounded the hitbox, making crash slide off things if he got to close. This was fine in the later games as they were designed around it, but for Crash 1, it made it much more difficult as a side effect. Jumps that were decently easy before become pretty precise, making it more difficult in the wrong way.
Only argument they had about crash was decent but not amazing controls. Really?? That’s why Spyro is better?? this is BS why is Barry even there
Spiro 1 vs Crash 1 sure but for it to win vs Crash 2.....its like when FF IX lost to Ape Escape
If Ape Escape beats Spiro now its gonna be the end of the world
Who here thinks it would’ve been best if they did go the trilogy route? At least just for this match up?✋👍
If a guest never had a ps1, don't bring him for ps1 madness -_-'
Nah it would be fine, if he'd play the games NOW at least, which wasn't the case lol
I am having a rough time with this season. I have disagreed with so many things.
With the previous seasons, I sometimes disagreed, but could understand where they were coming from. Here? It's just frustrating. I couldn't even finish the last one.
Jirad seems like he's getting sick of talking about games😵
Tom FromMySpace he’s getting sick of caddy
Caddy doesnt let anyone speak - super annoying
I mean, I live and die with Spyro but come on guys, Crash Bandicoot 2 was way better than Spyro 1. If it was Crash 1 vs Spyro 1 or Crash 2 vs Spyro 2, I could understand but Spyro 1 is just not enough things to win against Crash 2. At least we have some conversation about the games though, it was fun to watch.
I love Spyro, but the bosses are so forgettable in the first game. When I was kid and killed Toasty, I didn't even realize that I killed Toasty....I am dead serious. The boss was so easy that I convinced myself that it couldn't possibly have been the boss and I kept going back to the stage trying to find the actual boss. It wasn't until years later that I realized my mistake.
The control issue banter was me with Skyward sword. I was aware of it, but I never had an issue with the motion controls.
I'm so confused, why are Crash 2's bad controls the breaking point? In what world does Spyro have good controls?
Crash 2 only has bad controls if you've only played the first few levels *cough*barry
@@Imal00ter20 i feel like he has played Crash 1 on accident, Crash 2 teaches you its godly control in the goddamn intro level
@@Imal00ter20 Thank you, Spyro controls like ass. How did the discussion get all the way to the end without anyone discussing some of the worst camera controls in all of gaming.
@@nate3487 Crash didn't have the greatest camera either. The peudo 2D section of Crash gave me trouble. The showed the camera from the side, but you could still run off towards or away from the screen and run off without realized you were that close to the end. Also the Polar sections where you're running towards the screen were awful at points, giving you no time to react thanks to the speed, making it more about memorization than skills.
I agree with Jirard (and disagree with Furst) in his remark about them not really having discussed what really make the games great and their intricacies; I'm personally happy Spyro won - not just because I prefer the series over Crash but also because there's a legitimate point to be made about playing Spyro 1 in conjunction with the other ones.
They make it sound a bit as if the sequels are simply objectively better in every single way - and in most of the mechanical ways, they absolutely are. However, the elements that make the first Spyro game unique still holds true to this very day. The way in which the worlds are linked by a hubworld, and theme-related worlds in it, producing a very coherent atmosphere (the music also does a great job at accentuating that, since the worlds often have unique sound-quirks and such); while the sequels have a hubworld - and then a bunch of completely unrelated levels inside. Which, by the way, is NOT worse - it's just different. The somewhat desolate nature of the first game; few NPCs (basically the dragons once you save them), somewhat daunting and oppresive levels at points (looking at you, Dark Passage) also makes it rather unique - while Spyro 2 and 3 have ton of related NPCs to the worlds, quests and such. Gonna sound like a doof, but going to quickly compare them to Fallout 3 vs. New Vegas, as 3 tends to focus more on a lonesome, solemn journey, while NV is filled with NPCs and quests and lore and such.
Therefore, I believe there's a case to be made about getting a different experience from the first game and the others - even when the controls and general mechanics will be way updated.
Hope they will get a chance to air these points next time it's up, but not sure they will be.
I definitely agree with you there. Spyro 1 has the best atmosphere and while the other two games are definitely mechanically better, I feel like there's a lot more going on in 1 that makes it special.
As someone who played and completed these when I was a very young girl and replayed them both (PS1 versions and remakes), I feel like a lot of points were left out on both games. Both brought something to the PlayStation era. Crash went from 3d to 2d platforming. Sypro massive areas brought the seeing something far away. Crash continue his story brought new stuff and a polar bear to his game. Sypro style kept the same for the next two games meaning it was a great base to build up from. Both games don't really have an in-depth story but that because both are supposed to be like a cartoon. From start to death and to end I felt and still feel like I am playing a cartoon. To be honest I can't really pick. Sypro was my first own game while Crash was my first PlayStation game. I just feel like they miss a lot of points in this episode of madness.
I seriously don't get what they're complaining about with the controls of Crash 2, that game's super precise and easy to pick up and be good at.
For someone who grew up with Spyro and Crash Bandicoot 1 not two or three, I choose Spyro because... It doesn't matter if you are casual or a hardcore gamer. If you just want to run around I Spyro and do absolutely nothing just touch a bunch of enemies then you can. With Crash Bandicoot, you can't be a Casual Gamer. In Crash Bandicoot you have to realize what you are doing to do it. In Spyro the Dragon you can do pretty much whatever you want on the first home world. Basically you don't have to be limited in Spiro of what to do. If you want to charging a circle you can, if you decide you want to get to a high ledge and fly you can. In Crash Bandicoot you have no choice if you go into a level on what you want to do. Even when I play the insane trilogy and played crash to there, I had no option on what I wanted to do or freedom. In Spyro the Dragon HD update or not, you still can do whatever you want, have free range of Mobility or do whatever you want. So my pig has to go for Spyro the Dragon
Barry hasn't played shit.
BUT HE'S A DELIGHT!
@@frankybuster i disagree
I cannot understand how Spyro 1 got more votes than the sequels holy shit
This was the most looked forward to episode for me, and I'm glad the victor was Spyro. As a kid, I had more fun with Spyro, more fond memories, just enjoyed it more. When the remastered Crash games were announced, I was like, oh, cool, I never got to play 3, might look into that. When the Spyro Reignited Trilogy was announced, I lost my damn mind. And I hadn't even played Ripto's Rage nor Year of the Dragon.
The biggest problem I have had so far is that it feels as though the people talking about the games are coming in with their choice made before the argument. I can't think of a point where the vote went different than what they knew they were going to choose from the start. It kind of removes the point of the discussion itself.
OmegaKeiichi I feel the same
Does Jirard have any wins other than FF7? This man is getting oppressed hard.
i believe he also won an aneurysm and an ulcer. We support you, Jirard, all my love.
“I’ve never had a ps1” Well why are you even here?
So that the votes aren’t all based on bias?
Ikr? Lol
@@DeadHandtheSurvivor The bias of having experience with the games you are talking about?
@@w0joshcbrln0w No, the bias of "this game was my childhood so that's why I like it more." I think it's only fair to have someone who has never even played the games before to try them out and see if the games would still be fun if played by someone who has never grew up with that.
You don't have a debate about the Best Game Ever and have one of the judges be someone who has less than 10 hours experience with every title combined. That's fucking asinine. If it was a normal podcast, sure, go ahead and have him on, but in a debate format Barry is VERY clearly the weak link.
I love how the camera cuts off Jirard and he's real quiet for the beginning
I enjoy watching this, and appreciate the time spent by all those involved. What I don’t understand is why you have people on a panel who have played none of the games. I want to hear from someone knowledgeable about the topic, because then you have more meaningful discussion.
Projared is in a secret lair right now, reading the comments over on a giant monitor, sipping from a goblet and laughing "they all mocked me, complained about me, but now they wish I was there, to tell them the game that best represents the PS1! THE FOOLS!"
i personally like spyro a bit more all together but both were great games and either way i wasn't gonna be disappointed with the outcome...unlike final fantasy 9
This one was probably the toughest one for me because Crash 2 and Spyro were my first two PS1 games (got them at the same time) and I probably spent an even amount of time with them so this one was exceptionally difficult for me.
I'm happy that the Completionist agrees that how we compare games and what games that are on the list and how they fight one another is kinda bs. It would be better if it was crash 2 and spyro 2 then what this is.
The lack of experience this panel has on the topic of ps1 games is actually maddening. I don't think this is enlightening at all when Barry bases all his arguments on the first hour. And just like Jirard said, they never got into what makes the games good, and the newcomers to each game just speak to the controls of each game nearly exclusicely.
Newcomers can not go deep on how satisfying each game is. I HATE how much the "which game would you rather pick up and play right now" comes up. That eliminates any rpg from the running... the ps1 is a treasure trove of beloved, amazing, rewarding rpgs with tons of content, but because ape escape is an easier game to pick up and play, it wins.
Likewise, spyro is the easier feeling game at first, so it wins.
I would rather see a panel of normal boots fans who are well versed on the subject matter in its entirety over the normal boots cast if they're not going to take the research seriously . I may have a tolerance for each panelist to have limited experience in one game max each season.
Not to mention Spyro the Dragon’s music sticks with you longer than most of the tracks from Crash 2.
4:04 I don’t know if Jirard’s idea has any traction here but like, new madness season about “best video game series”? I’d watch
Im with Jirard on this. Small nitpicky arguments took away from interesting things about this two games.
Like material properties in Spyro or the variety of theming in Crash 2.
Big hugs to Jirard!
To play devils advocate, I can think of at least one thing Spyro 1 does better than the later ones: having a straight forward objective. The objective of Spyro 2 is to collect all the talismans, did I say talismans? I meant orbs, so you can beat napoleon bad guy and save the alternate universe you don't care about because you just wanted to go to an amusement park. Spyro 1? You are a dragon, every other dragon got trapped in crystal, free them from the crystals and beat up the guy who did it. Later Spyro games followed suit with other collect-a-thons and filled themselves with different objectives; Spyro 1 stayed simple and pure, explore for dragons and free dragons. You were never at a loss for what to do.
This all being said, yeah the later games were bigger and mechanically better, just wanted to give a reason why some one might like the first one most. Also something occurred to me while watching this, why is Tomb Raider not on the bracket?
This was a really good episode, I don't care about the outcome. The critical discussion seemed especially good this time.
Okay so the truth is this. Sypro is very see through. It is clear what the idea of the game was. Crash is confusing as all get out when conveying its control concept. Side scroll crsh, third person crash, over head crash. No real clear state of mind as the game is rather jaggedly put together. Spyro on the other hand is jump collect. Do it in lava. DO IT ON ICE. it's fun. it works also purple dragon. SOOOOOOO GREAT CHOICE.
Honestly I agree with Caddy and Jirad that Crash 2 was the better game of the two.
I am surprised that the entire argument for Spyro was "Better controls" but no discussion of the better characters, story, music, boss fight, level design, Graphics or entertainment value which was a clear winner on all fronts for Crash 2 in my opinion.
See the difference between this discussion and the FF IX vs. Ape Escape discussion? At least this feels and sounds like a discussion between people that played both games
Spyro 2 > Crash 2 > Spyro 1 > Crash 1
Crash 3 > Spyro 2 > Crash 2 > Spyro 3 > Spyro 1 > Crash 1
CTR > Crash 3 > Crash 2 > Spyro 1 > Spyro 2 > Spyro 3 > Crash 1
@@frankybuster wait wait wait wait wait wait wait WAIT... Did you just put Crash 3 on the bottom, are you drunk? 🤔
Spyro 2 > Crash 3 > Crash 2 > Spyro 3 > Spyro 1 > Crash 1
Spyro 3 > Spyro 1 > Crash 3 > Crash 2 > Spyro 2 > Crash 1
problem is, spyro doesnt show much flaw until later into the game. but when it happens the game gets so frustrating because there is nothing you can do. the issue with crash controls are an issue of timing when you fall or miss an enemy. the flaws are immediate, but as you progress you get used to it. i think the issue here is they didnt play either game for long enough to adjust to it.
I think it’s important to decipher that Barry is not saying that he has never played these games. He is saying he never played them as a kid, which removes the nostalgia googles.
There is no level in Spyro that had 10 dragons and 800 gems.
Yea there isn't a level like that in Spyro 1
There is a level with 2000 Gems and no dragons 🤔
@@Cellyestial True! Love that level. Haha.
I rarely saw the game over screens in the PS1 Spyro games. I always backtrack for butterflies when I'm low on health, and you can always use Exit Level from the pause menu if you fall out of the level.
Thank you, Lee. I had given up, but was surprised that you took Spyro's side in the end.
This was a really well debated episode guys! Good job! I love Crash and Spyro and either or would have been a win for me. However Crash 2 (IMO) doesn't hold up to Spyro. And it is on a control basis. Spyro's controls cater to the job you are trying to do in the game, the camera although not the best isn't out to deceive you. Crash 2 had AN ENTIRE second game to work out its kinks in hit boxes and controls and they didn't. As Barry said when approaching a pit it is difficult to determine how to make the jump. For those who say it's not at all, chances are that, like Jirard and Caddy, you've become desensitized to the poor camera placement and awkward hit box. Spyro you can keep going and rarely die with the exception of maybe Treetop. Also the only reason Crash probably even has so many different death animations is because of the BS and how frequently you die in the game which yes makes it charming but ultimately they put decorations on a hole in the wall and say it's fine.
Crash 2 is legitimately better than anything else on this bracket and I'm now very upset that the best it can get is the losers bracket victory
This episode is for me what the Ape Escape v. Final Fantasy debate is for others. You have 2 people who have 100% both games and know them inside and out saying one thing, losing to 2 other people who only played the games briefly because the tie breaker also isn't super familiar with either game.
My boy Jirard trying his best every time.
I'm disagreeing with almost every match results here, getting a bit frustrating honestly, but I see you Jirard. And I admire your work
After going back and playing both trilogies of these two mascots (remakes and originals), Crash won hands down. It wasn't afraid to challenge you, whereas Spyro felt like it was trying to hold your hand throughout. Never ever hit a game over screen on Spyro 2 or 3 ever in my life.
We need a more balanced cast here. I find it unfair the FF loses because most of this table hate RPGs. I also find the people here should have PLAYED the games before trying to have a meaningful discussion about them.
nice to see actual discussion and debate it doesn't matter who wins as long as there is that
why was the majority of the conversation about a relatively minor gripe about controls?
The fact that one complaint about Crash 2, that was said to happen in Spyro in the late game, outweighed all the other arguments they had for Crash 2 being better is ridiculous.
I love both Crash Bandicoot 2 and Spyro the Dragon, but to me this competition isn't even close. Crash Bandicoot 2 has acceptable platforming with linear level designs that essentially hit the same beats over and over again with the occasional appearance of frustration. Spyro the Dragon is a massive game with gigantic worlds to explore and deeper mechanics when it comes to gliding, super charging, understanding how to tackle different enemies with different moves, and entire secret areas to discover when you put it all together. It's like comparing Crash Bandicoot to Super Mario 64 only Spyro takes everything that Mario 64 does well and improves upon them to a massive degree to make a game that is still a blast to play today regardless of nostalgia.
See, even though I don't agree with the result, this has been the best episode of the season, because you guys articulated your comments well and everyone has played both games!
they didn't articulate anything, just talked about what they thought were shitty controls, just because they wanted spyro to win. Caddy and Jirard could have shifted the tides but they didn't have any convincing arguments.
I don't think they wanted Spyro to win, per se. Most people are saying Barry doesn't have much experience playing these games, he is as impartial as it gets.
The best defense the Completionist could come up with was "you haven't played the game long enough."
That's like disliking an anime after ten episodes and then someone retorts, "But you haven't made it to episode 50! It gets real then!".
i don't think i really ever see a game over screen in spyro but have seen it plenty of times in crash. i think its just coddys play style is different' just cause he is able to live more in crash doesn't mean everyone can.
if you go for every crate in crash, you'll have well over 30 lives in no time. granted, it's hard to game over in spyro as well
@@Linkmaster2010 but its SO much easier to die in crash. its a platformer that is known to be hard where spyro is a collectathon
Yeah I don't really know where that came from, I have forgotten what the game over screen even looked like in Spyro 1 whereas Crash I saw plenty of times as a kid. However, Crash being a harder game doesn't mean it has bad controls, it just means it takes more time to learn the intricacies, the distances of jumps etc.
I always liked spyro more because I love the visuals and settings more, even to this day no other game has had quite that same whimsical story book feel like the original spyro games and the use of colors was always something that stood out to me and left a big impact
This whole season has been riddled with the same damn problem. You have guests who have not sufficiently played enough of the games to comment effectively. How about for the next season you tell the people involved beforehand to go and complete all the games on the list and then make them discuss them. So far I feel so bad for Jirard because he is the only one who has played every single game mentioned to completion, and yet the others are just like "Well I've played an hour of the other game and I think it is better". I think Jirard has been the only one who has made the right choice every single time, but has been outvoted by people who haven't even finished or in some cases even played the games mentioned.
R.I.P. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Final Fantasy IX, Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back. You were all taken before your time.