the only guy who really has points in these discussions. Love Jirard so much! tank top guy is stupid and superficial. I hope he never ever gets in a madness again.
I honestly don't mind that this show is silly and they don't always take it 100% seriously. I wish, however, that they would brand it that way. Lee's epic narration mixed with futuristic vibes from the animations and music make me feel like these games are about to go head to head in a heated debate, instead its just Jirard trying to be serious and a couple of goobs who haven't played the games, or have a bias against a whole genre. Also Caddy.
i agree, in early seasons i was a bit annoyed that i could tell it wasnt thought through with any criteria for debate, but now that i realized that wasn't the goal i enjoy the craziness. but i may also be less invested in this bracket since i haven't played these games
symphony is way larger. If you complete it, which you should do if you're streaming it, nobody would allow him to stop without reversed castle, it is like...3 hollow knights...
NEW Madness Rule Change: The winner of the Loser's Bracket is put BACK INTO THE WINNER'S BRACKET! Imagine if they went on to win - now that would be some true madness.
@@kyrudo Although I don't agree with Barry being in this season in particular, I would say Caddy has some expertise on the console being discussed and what were the best games while offering interesting view points (were they the best points compared to the first season? No, ProJared would have provided a better explanation of his view points). Barry was more out of his element I believe as his expertise is in animations and art, so the only viewpoints that he could utilize in these conversation pieces is simply based off experience rather than the games at hand whenever he hasn't played the game. I will give Caddy a better point in terms which is worse within the series because at least he does bring up good comparisons and viewpoints upon his beliefs. He also brought it back to modern gaming and compared it to the games at hand so the generation that didn't play the PS1 could make a general (and I mean GENERAL) comparison. I just like the conversations though and I love Barry...but he wasn't the best choice for this.
GreyWanderer XD caddy has been very insightful in some videos, especially the crash ones, but I feel he only really has good expirience on like half the bracket
I feel like they don’t do this because there’s a risk of the same games going against each other from the first rounds (example, if for some reason RE2 won the winners bracket, it would have to face Castlevania again).
Caroline Slater, That's true. But, there have been times when they regret a past vote due to later arguments. But if they don't want to, I won't mind too much. I just want more Madness, and I think that Castlevania SOTN could put up a good debate against the winner bracket winner (My guess is MGS).
Ingo Lingo completely agree with you. I really do wish they would put the two winners against each other as well. Especially for the reasons you just stated. I could also be completely wrong as to why they don’t. I’m just guessing.
I love that Jirard and I essentially had the same type of gaming experience growing up. My parents taught me the value of money very early and it taught me to enjoy the games I have. =) Like Caddy, "thank you Jirard's mom".
Man if everybody agreed on everything in this show, I would just not watch it cause it would just be these guys patting themselves on the back. Its noice to see these constructive arguments, as infuriating as they have been this season.
I love Barry and he is a great artist but he needs to google top 5 jRPGs of all time and pick one and play it on his channel from start to finish. I think he'd have a lot of fun doing that with an audience helping him along and a decent game. Like ProJared and others are playing Zelda Randomizer games for great lengths of time, I don't see the downside to do this.
I mean the reason he's doing so many photoshop streams is to finish a video he's been working on for like 4-5 months that he has to finish before the end of January. So it's like asking him to drop 5 months of work just because.
barry was the a hole pal or the one that looked like he was thinking about something else the entire video and only opened his mouth to support what i just said about him?
@Groisu Well, usually the popular vote is uncultured and awful, with things like CoD or Fifa being top sellers for decades, but, in this case, i get your obscure games and i can even agree they're great and we would love some more recognition, but in most of the cases in this bracket, it is the best of the best. When some troll game won the popular vote like parappa the rapper it was an absolute free pass. A lot of people said they wanted to see Legend of Dragoon, and yeah, it was a great and loved JRPG, but FFVII and FFIX were way better, so...even with a good reason of wanting hidden gems, the true and deserved gems needs to be here, if not, a lot more people would cry.
I still think Xenogears and Final Fantasy Tactics were snubbed for some shitty mainstream games like parrapa. The PS1 was a JRPG machine and it needs representation as such. These shitty wannabe Mario 64 games suck and should'nt be a representation of the console.
Edmund Dantes same. It gets old fast, especially when the reasons they jump on him are not his fault. They pretty much refused to let him speak at all. It really pisses me off sometimes.
I respect these guys, I also grew up poor, many of these games I never got to play, to this day I've never played Majora's mask.. yeah I know... I had to sell a game and or console to buy the new game or console, so I don't have a collection of retro games, thanks to ebay i'm trying to make up for it though. Thank you for these videos, and oh yeah, Symphony of the night was/is one of my all time favorite games.
When Barry asked Jirard why SotN was in the loser's bracket lmaooo Jirard's face was priceless! I think he had to use all his self control not to leap across the table and strangle Barry hahaha
When you shoot an interview, I think it's a good practice to ask a few warm up questions like, "What's your name?" & "What did you have for breakfast?" to get the interviewee talking and comfortable. I feel like this episode was the first real question after a series of filler questions, which made it the first watchable one in the series. Is it too late to start the judging over again?
I don't want to see Barry go, I just want to see him do better. I want them to get their brackets planned out much further from the time of filming so each person can have a solid few hours with each game. The same thing kinda happened with the cartoon one, they got the brackets and then the people who weren't overly familiar watched a handful of shows. In this season Barry and Caddi (I think they're both great) hadn't touched Final Fantasy 9 and judged it against a game they both had played but was extremely flawed and a B while FF9 is at the very least an A- game.
I agree with most that was said here. To me length doesn't matter that much but what matters is how that time is spend and what do I take from it. I've played games that lasted a couple of hours that satisfied me and left a mark on me way bigger than games that have lasted me +60 hours, just because of how tight they were in what they were trying to do. But then I really apreciate when a game "absorbs you" for hours upon hours jut because it's fun to play. And when that happens it's way more satisfying, but IMO that happens way less often. Most open world games (at least in my experience, I haven't played all) end up feeling like doing chores. I love Skyrim, for example, but after a while it feels like you're just doing the same things over and over again. You encounter every 10 hours or so a quest that at least storywise feels refreshing and is cool and interesting, but at the end of the day almost every single mission in Skyrim is "go here, kill a bunch of people, get thing, go back/go somewhere else and repeat". And the fact that it recycles most of the assets in every dungeon doesn't help. I've played that game for hundreds of hours (thanks to the mod community mostly) and I love it, but if I had to pick between starting Skyrim again or playing... I don't know, Portal 1 and 2 again I would choose the latter without question.
Next time this is attempted I hope everyone does their homework because it's a mess to explain how you feel about a game you played for an hour or less
Weirdly enough, this time's convo about game length vs content got me thinking about why I don't really play multiplayer games. I also grew up poor, my parents and brother never got any consoles and I was discouraged from doing do so when I earned cash (though I did eventually get a DS when it first came out) so I valued games with lots of content and games I considered worth replaying a lot. Now that I do have the money, I'm still stingy about prices and also don't have much time to dedicate to a long game unless it's short enough, replayable and/or, most importantly, fun from the start (155 hours in BotW atm). So the problem with games like Overwatch and MMOs is that it takes more than a couple hours to get good enough to actully enjoy the experience, you have to pay for the thing before you know if you're even going to enjoy it and you gotta play consistently to maintain you skills, all of which is asking too much for me :
I love the fact that they talk more about their experiencies with gaming, instead of the games in combat. (Not a joke, i'm enjoying it) You should do a podcast @NormalBoots !!!
Crash 2 won't make me feel like I'm going to hurl when I finish it though, and I'm not going to immediately regret playing it. Crash 2 is more like Burger king, it get's the job done, inoffensive and worth it's price. Sotn is like Pizza, there's a lot of it, so much that you need to come back to it later to finish it. You can approach it in many different ways and choose what you want on it, but some ways are better than others. and it's layered with a lot of variety, but you get to the upside down castle and it's still great but not quite as great as the rest, not much choice or variety there, some people just discard that part and consider it done, but if you take the time to finish it, it's worth it. I put too much thought into this.
3:00 Yes, just... Yes. I can value a great game no matter how long it is but during most of my childhood i had to make sure that any game i bought had enough content to keep me entertained for at least a few months. Now things are a bit more but i still have to really plan out what games i buy.
I think even if a game lacks content, but tells a compelling story that keeps you interested that's more important. Anyone can fill a game with pointless side quests that pad the hell out of something but if it doesn't grip the player it misses the point of video games being immersive and interesting.
Hey guys, just a positive comment to keep you motivated Although i don't agree completely with yall, this was a great season! Thanks for the quality content :)
Easily, Symphony of the Night for me. I'm an RPG guy, and SOTN's controls are a lot better IMO. The Crash series have some of the strictest platforming levels I've ever played. If it was WARPED!... I still would've preferred SOTN, but it would've maybe been a lot closer.
I know this wasn't a huge point in the video, but I don't necessarily like how the fact that a game being remade somehow makes it bad or worse than its competitor. I can't speak for others, but the reason I want to see my favorite games remade is not because they're bad, but because I want to see what it'd look like with modern graphics, modern game design, to see what the devs would imagine the world like today. Maybe if there were sequels to that game, see how those sequels mold the potential changes in the remake's story. See what the big changes in the industry do to my favorites of yesteryear.
Out of the whole season, Crash got a remaster, RE2 got a remake, Spyro got a remake, Parapa got a remaster, Silent Hill 1 was reimagined, MGS got a remake, CTR got a remake... that leaves FFIX, Castlevania SotN, and Ape Escape: games that don’t need to be remade, because they’re timeless. Idk about Ape Escape though lol. EDIT: oh, and THPS2 got an HD port. And the FFVII remake is gonna take forever.
I hope they get Satchell on Madness sometime soon. These PS1 episodes are just the strangest of the series so far, I'm enjoying it but I feel like the bracket as it is right now is just banana town.
On the topic of game length, it depends entirely on the kind of content not so much the amount of content. Green Man Gaming tried to put a price per hour value on the games it sells and I think in some cases that is a fair way to value a game and in others I think it is a terrible way to value a game. One bad example. Agarest Generations of War. I put 33 hours into it and got past ONE chapter out of I believe FIVE chapters. It is literally a big map with quite a few dozen dots and each dot is an unavoidable battle that plays out like the last 30 dots did. A good example is Final Fantasy 7, as a kid with very limited knowledge and no Gamefaqs I spent 99 hours getting Knights of the Round, leveling Pheonix materia and cast on death and getting ultimate weapons for each character and beating all the major side bosses. It was a blast and I felt I got every penny of value out of that game. On the other hand I have been playing jRPGs and video games since the NES as I was born in the early 80s. When I was a kid it took me forever to beat Zelda, I didn't have Nintendo Power and I had no idea where some of the secrets were, I did eventually find the magic sword, I did eventually find all the burnable bushes and bombable walls but it was months of playing. I never did beat Castlevania 2 and or Ninja Turtles and a bunch of other games that you either needed 10,000 hours of practice on or a guide. A couple months ago I beat Zelda in an hour, I wasn't exactly trying for speed but I did have a guide for the last dungeon. Since I come from the NES era, where games were 3x maybe 4x the cost they are now due to inflation, I do understand not wanting to spend so much on a game (like Contra) and beat it in 25 minutes but on the flip side I would load up Contra all the time with a friend as a kid and we'd have a damn good time beating it even if it was short (and we had the Konami code). Symphony of the Night is the better experience. They are both good content but SotN is just a lot more bang for your buck and none of that is because of dreadful filler.
Just a thought: MAYBE, only have people who have actually played the games talk about them. I don’t care who wins, but dear god Barry’s shutdowns throughout this thing so far JUST because he hasn’t played the game has been disgusting
When it comes the the video game length thing Jirard talked about at the start I would say that it's a matter of my satisfaction with the game. A shot but satisfying game will always be better then a long but mediocre one but never better than a satisfying long game (since it will simply give me more joy). On the flip side a game that is long but mediocre or just bad will always be worse then a short but bad game. Why? Because it's less time wasted and thus less anger over that on my part. The only thing that can change this way of looking at a game for me is replayability but that is a mixed bag in itself. If it's a game where I can take a whole new route/make new choices with new consequences/specialize in something else then a short one can be better. However if it's something like "now if you play trough again you will notice all those things you did not catch before" then I don't give a hoot unless the game is so freaking good I will play it again just to play it again and will see that shit along the way.
The winner of the losers' bracket should be involved in the championship to make it a 3-way contest. It gives games like Symphony of the Night and FFIX a chance at redemption after being disrespected so blatantly.
Everyone's hating on this series in the comments, yet they don't bother disliking. Dislike the damn video so they'll pay attention and improve the show.
Give SotN a chance to come back into the winner's bracket. No need to replace something else, just put it in the mix and have an argument over 4 games instead of 3 (or 3 instead of 2). I don't care about the rules in this specific case just like no one involved cared about the matchup in this episode. We watch for the conversation and choices, not for horrible matchups that set everyone off (because of unfairness/mediation not giving one side enough time) and then go on to eventually waste a later episode by way of an obvious landslide. The structure of the matchups need to change, or the winning 'loser' needs a chance at redemption.
I've enjoyed Madness and don't have as much hate for this season as many - I love Jirard and Shane, and Barry makes great points when he's actually played the game and is amusing. Gotta say though, Caddi has been very irritating. Not because of his opinions but he just CUTS EVERYONE OFF, ALL THE TIME. Jirard in particular. It's definitely from his passion and his enthusiasm to express his point, which is great, but in a debate like this, everyone needs room to express their views. I think that's why Jirard is visibly frustrated.
BDOGG345 True, but look at it this way. If it was still in winners bracket, it would’ve gotten curb stomped by mgs and no one else would have talked about it. Since it was in losers though, it gets more recognition and more discussion.
BDOGG345 True, but look at it this way. If it was still in winners bracket, it would’ve gotten curb stomped by mgs and no one else would have talked about it. Since it was in losers though, it gets more recognition and more discussion.
This show isn't live, so is it possible to record for longer than the allotted episode time if one game isn't mentioned by the end? I think it's worth it to give each side a fair chance and then in editing, you could trim some of the over-covered footage to hit your time slot. I think this would save 90% of the viewers and Jirard himself a lot of grief.
They aren't live, no, but they still have to fit within everyone's allotted schedules. These sessions take a long time to produce and are also quite draining. We do what we can.
Woooooo! Castlevania! Man, you guys with Jirard. He already does so much and doesn't need more stress. XD Leave Jirard alone! And Britney while you're at it.
*Sees thumbnail, and remembers i havent been keeping up with these Huh, Symphony of the Night vs Crash 2? Not entirely the match-up I would have expected for the top 2, well not Crash anyway. Lets watch SotN curb stop Crash and be #1. *Clicks and realizes its actually the Losers Bracket. NANI?!?
Sidenote: Did anyone else ever put Symphony of the Night into a PC and find the music track? Also, Resident Evil 2 should've won the "Loser's Bracket"... Just saying.
As a longtime fan of Crash and a newborn fan of Castlevania, I can easily agree with Jirard in saying that Castlevania SOTN should have won this entire season by a landslide. Just... for the love of God... do NOT play Mirror of Fate. Oh my god. Worst first Castlevania game to be introduced to personally. *shudders*
OooO Noooo0O, earlier the panel had an opinion I didn't personally agree with, do now I'll bitch about it every video in the comments and insult the people. This pity party in the comments needs to stop. Yep Barry and Caddy didn't play FF9. Get over yourselves.
I was just wondering, are Abe’s exodus and odyssey just not popular games, I consider those two games especially exodus to be one of the better Psx games, I’m sure I’m not the only one here 🤷🏻♂️
Man I really love Barry, but he was kinda lame in this bracket. He barely even played the games and made a bunch of weird judgements like "Crash 2 has bad controls, but Spyro 1 has good controls."
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Jirard’s face in the beginning.
It just explains EVERYTHING.
We are with you, big boy
the only guy who really has points in these discussions. Love Jirard so much! tank top guy is stupid and superficial. I hope he never ever gets in a madness again.
Those first 15 seconds sum up the entire bracket
Thunder64 and the last becket xD
*Jirard* : _looks at the camera like on The Office_
I honestly don't mind that this show is silly and they don't always take it 100% seriously. I wish, however, that they would brand it that way. Lee's epic narration mixed with futuristic vibes from the animations and music make me feel like these games are about to go head to head in a heated debate, instead its just Jirard trying to be serious and a couple of goobs who haven't played the games, or have a bias against a whole genre. Also Caddy.
i agree, in early seasons i was a bit annoyed that i could tell it wasnt thought through with any criteria for debate, but now that i realized that wasn't the goal i enjoy the craziness. but i may also be less invested in this bracket since i haven't played these games
It's madness
Jirard's reactions to Barry are priceless XD
You're god damn right Castlevania should have been in the winner's bracket.
Agreed
Barry has the time to beat Hollow Knight on stream, but not Symphony of the Night? This is madness indeed.
this is dumbness not madness. its like eating shit because you did not wanted to eat pasta 2 days in a row.
symphony is way larger. If you complete it, which you should do if you're streaming it, nobody would allow him to stop without reversed castle, it is like...3 hollow knights...
Liraken In your opinion.
Can we all just take a moment and really appreciate Jirard this season? Like...REALLY appreciate him?
Can we all agree Jirard is a hard worker, deserves many hugs and has my respect
NEW Madness Rule Change: The winner of the Loser's Bracket is put BACK INTO THE WINNER'S BRACKET! Imagine if they went on to win - now that would be some true madness.
Time to watch 1 guy explain video games to 4 men who have no idea about the video games talked about.
Jirad is too pure for this world
Did you know Shane does?
Shane was fine the whole season imo
I apologize... Shane's fine. It's just, Barry and Caddy are just not helping. Then Forrest is the cherry on top of this shit sundae.
@@kyrudo Although I don't agree with Barry being in this season in particular, I would say Caddy has some expertise on the console being discussed and what were the best games while offering interesting view points (were they the best points compared to the first season? No, ProJared would have provided a better explanation of his view points). Barry was more out of his element I believe as his expertise is in animations and art, so the only viewpoints that he could utilize in these conversation pieces is simply based off experience rather than the games at hand whenever he hasn't played the game.
I will give Caddy a better point in terms which is worse within the series because at least he does bring up good comparisons and viewpoints upon his beliefs. He also brought it back to modern gaming and compared it to the games at hand so the generation that didn't play the PS1 could make a general (and I mean GENERAL) comparison.
I just like the conversations though and I love Barry...but he wasn't the best choice for this.
GreyWanderer XD caddy has been very insightful in some videos, especially the crash ones, but I feel he only really has good expirience on like half the bracket
I swear Jirard is the only one with a brain this season
What about shane and camera guy?
E Weber Oh yeah Shane has been alright and camera guy is good
For real I wouldve quit alot earlier but hes probably contracted. Cant stand the host. Very bias and kinda arrogant for no reason.
Jirard is the best for sure. Caddy probably has the weakest points.
john m Which is sad considering he's the PS1 guy
I rediscovered these videos recently, and they’re great. I wish you guys continued this series. With other video game consoles.
I think that the winner of the losers bracket should fight the winner of the winners bracket.
Ingo Lingo I SECOND THIS MOTION!
I feel like they don’t do this because there’s a risk of the same games going against each other from the first rounds (example, if for some reason RE2 won the winners bracket, it would have to face Castlevania again).
Caroline Slater, That's true. But, there have been times when they regret a past vote due to later arguments. But if they don't want to, I won't mind too much.
I just want more Madness, and I think that Castlevania SOTN could put up a good debate against the winner bracket winner (My guess is MGS).
Ingo Lingo completely agree with you. I really do wish they would put the two winners against each other as well. Especially for the reasons you just stated. I could also be completely wrong as to why they don’t. I’m just guessing.
yeah Jirard's reaction to Barry pretty much captures this whole season, & I love it XD
I love that Jirard and I essentially had the same type of gaming experience growing up.
My parents taught me the value of money very early and it taught me to enjoy the games I have. =)
Like Caddy, "thank you Jirard's mom".
Man if everybody agreed on everything in this show, I would just not watch it cause it would just be these guys patting themselves on the back. Its noice to see these constructive arguments, as infuriating as they have been this season.
Prickly Cactus King Thiiiiiis 👍 I like this Cactus. He truly is King of Prickles.
Someone tell barry to stop streaming hours and hours of photoshop, and start playing some decent games !
I love Barry and he is a great artist but he needs to google top 5 jRPGs of all time and pick one and play it on his channel from start to finish. I think he'd have a lot of fun doing that with an audience helping him along and a decent game. Like ProJared and others are playing Zelda Randomizer games for great lengths of time, I don't see the downside to do this.
I mean the reason he's doing so many photoshop streams is to finish a video he's been working on for like 4-5 months that he has to finish before the end of January. So it's like asking him to drop 5 months of work just because.
barry was the a hole pal or the one that looked like he was thinking about something else the entire video and only opened his mouth to support what i just said about him?
@Groisu Well, usually the popular vote is uncultured and awful, with things like CoD or Fifa being top sellers for decades, but, in this case, i get your obscure games and i can even agree they're great and we would love some more recognition, but in most of the cases in this bracket, it is the best of the best. When some troll game won the popular vote like parappa the rapper it was an absolute free pass. A lot of people said they wanted to see Legend of Dragoon, and yeah, it was a great and loved JRPG, but FFVII and FFIX were way better, so...even with a good reason of wanting hidden gems, the true and deserved gems needs to be here, if not, a lot more people would cry.
I still think Xenogears and Final Fantasy Tactics were snubbed for some shitty mainstream games like parrapa. The PS1 was a JRPG machine and it needs representation as such. These shitty wannabe Mario 64 games suck and should'nt be a representation of the console.
0:45
The posture of a man who would rather be anywhere else but here...
Like I get that it's a bit but I'm really tired of people jumping on Jirard
Edmund Dantes same. It gets old fast, especially when the reasons they jump on him are not his fault. They pretty much refused to let him speak at all. It really pisses me off sometimes.
It's a joke because they're not taking it seriously, while he is taking it very seriously so it's easy to get a reaction out of him.
Loser vs winner please... its our only hope for any truth!
There's no hope here. You can tell by Jirard's face in the beginning.
I don't even know why they do a losers bracket if they're not gonna pit both finalists kinda makes the losers section pointless.
I respect these guys, I also grew up poor, many of these games I never got to play, to this day I've never played Majora's mask.. yeah I know... I had to sell a game and or console to buy the new game or console, so I don't have a collection of retro games, thanks to ebay i'm trying to make up for it though. Thank you for these videos, and oh yeah, Symphony of the night was/is one of my all time favorite games.
PLAY THE GAMES BEFORE THE DISCUSSIONS
I would agree, I love this show. And this Season is still fun to watch....But I did prefer the N64 season where everyone had context.
I leave for a few weeks...and caddi still hasn't put a cork in it...
When Barry asked Jirard why SotN was in the loser's bracket lmaooo Jirard's face was priceless! I think he had to use all his self control not to leap across the table and strangle Barry hahaha
When you shoot an interview, I think it's a good practice to ask a few warm up questions like, "What's your name?" & "What did you have for breakfast?" to get the interviewee talking and comfortable. I feel like this episode was the first real question after a series of filler questions, which made it the first watchable one in the series. Is it too late to start the judging over again?
Madness season 3 in a nutshell: Barry: "Well I didn't really play this game so by default I don't like it and think it is inferior."
Fr tho hope he does not return next season
I understand having an viewpoint free of nostalgia, but you HAVE to play the game to have a good oppinion. Barry just sits there and breathes air
I really like Barry but he just isn’t supposed to be in this bracket. He was great in the 90’s cartoon bracket.
I don't want to see Barry go, I just want to see him do better. I want them to get their brackets planned out much further from the time of filming so each person can have a solid few hours with each game. The same thing kinda happened with the cartoon one, they got the brackets and then the people who weren't overly familiar watched a handful of shows.
In this season Barry and Caddi (I think they're both great) hadn't touched Final Fantasy 9 and judged it against a game they both had played but was extremely flawed and a B while FF9 is at the very least an A- game.
@@Xetelian I'm the same way. I love Barry, he just wasn't a good fit for this bracket.
Watching these is getting harder and harder. You guys are yammering bozos. Jirard, you're really not alone.
5:18 - this is exactly how I feel about games these days. I don't care for games that just have hours of padding and busy work.
Jirard’s face sums up season 2 and 3 of Madness tbh
What was wrong with season 2 I didn't think it was that bad this one is but 2 was decent in my opinion
I agree with most that was said here. To me length doesn't matter that much but what matters is how that time is spend and what do I take from it. I've played games that lasted a couple of hours that satisfied me and left a mark on me way bigger than games that have lasted me +60 hours, just because of how tight they were in what they were trying to do. But then I really apreciate when a game "absorbs you" for hours upon hours jut because it's fun to play. And when that happens it's way more satisfying, but IMO that happens way less often.
Most open world games (at least in my experience, I haven't played all) end up feeling like doing chores. I love Skyrim, for example, but after a while it feels like you're just doing the same things over and over again. You encounter every 10 hours or so a quest that at least storywise feels refreshing and is cool and interesting, but at the end of the day almost every single mission in Skyrim is "go here, kill a bunch of people, get thing, go back/go somewhere else and repeat". And the fact that it recycles most of the assets in every dungeon doesn't help. I've played that game for hundreds of hours (thanks to the mod community mostly) and I love it, but if I had to pick between starting Skyrim again or playing... I don't know, Portal 1 and 2 again I would choose the latter without question.
Caddi needs to lay off the coffee. Don’t always need to have the last word after everything being said 🙄
This season was like a truck fire
Why aren't these being placed in the Madness playlists or whatever? I didn't even know these were happening
3:13 Jirard's origin story is just badass.
Next time this is attempted I hope everyone does their homework because it's a mess to explain how you feel about a game you played for an hour or less
Weirdly enough, this time's convo about game length vs content got me thinking about why I don't really play multiplayer games.
I also grew up poor, my parents and brother never got any consoles and I was discouraged from doing do so when I earned cash (though I did eventually get a DS when it first came out) so I valued games with lots of content and games I considered worth replaying a lot.
Now that I do have the money, I'm still stingy about prices and also don't have much time to dedicate to a long game unless it's short enough, replayable and/or, most importantly, fun from the start (155 hours in BotW atm).
So the problem with games like Overwatch and MMOs is that it takes more than a couple hours to get good enough to actully enjoy the experience, you have to pay for the thing before you know if you're even going to enjoy it and you gotta play consistently to maintain you skills, all of which is asking too much for me :
I love the fact that they talk more about their experiencies with gaming, instead of the games in combat.
(Not a joke, i'm enjoying it)
You should do a podcast @NormalBoots !!!
I love Jirad. He has the best points. He really observers the debate
SotN is like a well crafted home made Burger with delicious crispy fries.
Crash 2 is a McDonalds Bigmac.
You nailed it on the head, pretty much.
Fuzzycat add a Dr. Pepper to the former and Dr. Thunder to the latter.
Crash 2 won't make me feel like I'm going to hurl when I finish it though, and I'm not going to immediately regret playing it. Crash 2 is more like Burger king, it get's the job done, inoffensive and worth it's price.
Sotn is like Pizza, there's a lot of it, so much that you need to come back to it later to finish it. You can approach it in many different ways and choose what you want on it, but some ways are better than others. and it's layered with a lot of variety, but you get to the upside down castle and it's still great but not quite as great as the rest, not much choice or variety there, some people just discard that part and consider it done, but if you take the time to finish it, it's worth it.
I put too much thought into this.
@@JetWolfEX All fast food is offensive
Wow, did notifications actually work for once
3:00
Yes, just... Yes.
I can value a great game no matter how long it is but during most of my childhood i had to make sure that any game i bought had enough content to keep me entertained for at least a few months.
Now things are a bit more but i still have to really plan out what games i buy.
This season was trash due to idiocy
Ratchetfan321
This season isn't that bad to me , but f***ing parrappa the rappa
I feel last season was worse, but they can't all be hits.
What do you mean, this was probably the most accurate season yet.
Ratchetfan321, you're right but I think he prefers to be called 'Barry'.
Ratchetfan321 your face is trash
Gee guys, it's almost like you should play the games before voting on them. Maybe then these games wouldn't be on the loser bracket.
I think even if a game lacks content, but tells a compelling story that keeps you interested that's more important. Anyone can fill a game with pointless side quests that pad the hell out of something but if it doesn't grip the player it misses the point of video games being immersive and interesting.
Hey guys, just a positive comment to keep you motivated
Although i don't agree completely with yall, this was a great season! Thanks for the quality content :)
I'm sure if you run a poll it would be like 75% in favor of SotN. This is stacked yo
Easily, Symphony of the Night for me. I'm an RPG guy, and SOTN's controls are a lot better IMO. The Crash series have some of the strictest platforming levels I've ever played. If it was WARPED!... I still would've preferred SOTN, but it would've maybe been a lot closer.
This is what every round involving SotN should have been. No competition, it's head and shoulders above the competition
Gotta agree with Jirard. It shoulda been in the winner's bracket. Though, with his personal experience, I'm surprised Barry didn't go with Crash.
It's a testament to Jirard's willpower that he doesn't strangle everyone on this panel right away :P
I know this wasn't a huge point in the video, but I don't necessarily like how the fact that a game being remade somehow makes it bad or worse than its competitor. I can't speak for others, but the reason I want to see my favorite games remade is not because they're bad, but because I want to see what it'd look like with modern graphics, modern game design, to see what the devs would imagine the world like today. Maybe if there were sequels to that game, see how those sequels mold the potential changes in the remake's story. See what the big changes in the industry do to my favorites of yesteryear.
Poor Jirad he looks like he needs a hug!
SotN is so great, it doesn't even need the overused gimmick called remastered
Out of the whole season, Crash got a remaster, RE2 got a remake, Spyro got a remake, Parapa got a remaster, Silent Hill 1 was reimagined, MGS got a remake, CTR got a remake... that leaves FFIX, Castlevania SotN, and Ape Escape: games that don’t need to be remade, because they’re timeless. Idk about Ape Escape though lol.
EDIT: oh, and THPS2 got an HD port. And the FFVII remake is gonna take forever.
I thought this was the winners bracket when I first looked at the thumbnail, but then I remembered.
Jirard. You got me again. I need to quit typing while I'm watching.
Man, they're making a fun show for people to watch for free. Maybe not freak out at the cast because the game you like didn't win.
Jirard WINS
“Castlevania should have won the winners bracket” = Best quote so far
This show is in dire need of a fresh reboot
Good ol' Kobe Ikaragi. A true master in the field of game design.
I hope they get Satchell on Madness sometime soon. These PS1 episodes are just the strangest of the series so far, I'm enjoying it but I feel like the bracket as it is right now is just banana town.
On the topic of game length, it depends entirely on the kind of content not so much the amount of content. Green Man Gaming tried to put a price per hour value on the games it sells and I think in some cases that is a fair way to value a game and in others I think it is a terrible way to value a game.
One bad example. Agarest Generations of War. I put 33 hours into it and got past ONE chapter out of I believe FIVE chapters. It is literally a big map with quite a few dozen dots and each dot is an unavoidable battle that plays out like the last 30 dots did.
A good example is Final Fantasy 7, as a kid with very limited knowledge and no Gamefaqs I spent 99 hours getting Knights of the Round, leveling Pheonix materia and cast on death and getting ultimate weapons for each character and beating all the major side bosses. It was a blast and I felt I got every penny of value out of that game.
On the other hand I have been playing jRPGs and video games since the NES as I was born in the early 80s. When I was a kid it took me forever to beat Zelda, I didn't have Nintendo Power and I had no idea where some of the secrets were, I did eventually find the magic sword, I did eventually find all the burnable bushes and bombable walls but it was months of playing. I never did beat Castlevania 2 and or Ninja Turtles and a bunch of other games that you either needed 10,000 hours of practice on or a guide.
A couple months ago I beat Zelda in an hour, I wasn't exactly trying for speed but I did have a guide for the last dungeon.
Since I come from the NES era, where games were 3x maybe 4x the cost they are now due to inflation, I do understand not wanting to spend so much on a game (like Contra) and beat it in 25 minutes but on the flip side I would load up Contra all the time with a friend as a kid and we'd have a damn good time beating it even if it was short (and we had the Konami code).
Symphony of the Night is the better experience. They are both good content but SotN is just a lot more bang for your buck and none of that is because of dreadful filler.
I think Resident Evil 2 should have won the losers bracket finale.
They should have a Final Fantasy Madness season 😊
Hmm
One amazing game ( possibly the best in the franchise ) vs
F***ing Crash Bandicoot 2
those cups are smooth. too bad the mail price to get one is far 3 to 4 times the price to ship to my country.
Jirard is pulling a Jim Halpert with that look at the beginning
Ape escape should of win
Just a thought: MAYBE, only have people who have actually played the games talk about them. I don’t care who wins, but dear god Barry’s shutdowns throughout this thing so far JUST because he hasn’t played the game has been disgusting
There is only one game on the bracket he hasn’t played.
Also Shane usually talks as much as Barry.
I feel like Jirard is moments away from flipping the table and walking away.
2:35 what is that sound ?
Crash was a solid experience, but that's all.
Symphony of the Night was a landmark.
Symphony of the Night wins. Argument over.
jirard tells such a story in one look. perfect blend of pain and anger
When it comes the the video game length thing Jirard talked about at the start I would say that it's a matter of my satisfaction with the game. A shot but satisfying game will always be better then a long but mediocre one but never better than a satisfying long game (since it will simply give me more joy). On the flip side a game that is long but mediocre or just bad will always be worse then a short but bad game. Why? Because it's less time wasted and thus less anger over that on my part.
The only thing that can change this way of looking at a game for me is replayability but that is a mixed bag in itself. If it's a game where I can take a whole new route/make new choices with new consequences/specialize in something else then a short one can be better. However if it's something like "now if you play trough again you will notice all those things you did not catch before" then I don't give a hoot unless the game is so freaking good I will play it again just to play it again and will see that shit along the way.
The winner of the losers' bracket should be involved in the championship to make it a 3-way contest. It gives games like Symphony of the Night and FFIX a chance at redemption after being disrespected so blatantly.
Right now, this is the Show I genuinely wait for. Loving every episode, keep it up guys 😎
Everyone's hating on this series in the comments, yet they don't bother disliking. Dislike the damn video so they'll pay attention and improve the show.
Give SotN a chance to come back into the winner's bracket. No need to replace something else, just put it in the mix and have an argument over 4 games instead of 3 (or 3 instead of 2). I don't care about the rules in this specific case just like no one involved cared about the matchup in this episode. We watch for the conversation and choices, not for horrible matchups that set everyone off (because of unfairness/mediation not giving one side enough time) and then go on to eventually waste a later episode by way of an obvious landslide. The structure of the matchups need to change, or the winning 'loser' needs a chance at redemption.
They already recorded the whole thing months ago, there's nothing they can do now
Ryan H I realize it’s post-recording. I’m giving my input in regards to the future of the show.
I've enjoyed Madness and don't have as much hate for this season as many - I love Jirard and Shane, and Barry makes great points when he's actually played the game and is amusing. Gotta say though, Caddi has been very irritating. Not because of his opinions but he just CUTS EVERYONE OFF, ALL THE TIME. Jirard in particular.
It's definitely from his passion and his enthusiasm to express his point, which is great, but in a debate like this, everyone needs room to express their views. I think that's why Jirard is visibly frustrated.
This whole season of Madness has been a lot of Jirard looking into the camera, and honestly same.
Still not a fan of the season of madness. SotN should’ve been in winners.
BDOGG345 True, but look at it this way. If it was still in winners bracket, it would’ve gotten curb stomped by mgs and no one else would have talked about it. Since it was in losers though, it gets more recognition and more discussion.
BDOGG345 True, but look at it this way. If it was still in winners bracket, it would’ve gotten curb stomped by mgs and no one else would have talked about it. Since it was in losers though, it gets more recognition and more discussion.
BDOGG345 Don’t get me wrong, it most certainly should be in winners, but re2 is also a good game.
Guess what, opions are subjective.
@@lukeohara6047 Guess what, everybody knows that and no one is arguing otherwise
It should have been Parappa
if it’s any consolation to help with how this season went down, shane and jirard can get it~
I think they do shit like this on purpose. They want Jirard to have a heart attack. Don't worry big boy, we're with ya
This show isn't live, so is it possible to record for longer than the allotted episode time if one game isn't mentioned by the end? I think it's worth it to give each side a fair chance and then in editing, you could trim some of the over-covered footage to hit your time slot. I think this would save 90% of the viewers and Jirard himself a lot of grief.
They aren't live, no, but they still have to fit within everyone's allotted schedules. These sessions take a long time to produce and are also quite draining. We do what we can.
@@ForrestFurst Fair. That's good to know. I only say anything because I love you all and have faith in the show's future.
Woooooo! Castlevania!
Man, you guys with Jirard. He already does so much and doesn't need more stress. XD Leave Jirard alone! And Britney while you're at it.
ok, now I can sleep well tonight!
*Sees thumbnail, and remembers i havent been keeping up with these
Huh, Symphony of the Night vs Crash 2? Not entirely the match-up I would have expected for the top 2, well not Crash anyway. Lets watch SotN curb stop Crash and be #1.
*Clicks and realizes its actually the Losers Bracket.
NANI?!?
Jirard's about to mug someone, hahaha.
At least SOTN gets some recognition here. Looking forward to more of the winner's bracket.
UUUUGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.... we are with you Jirard. We love you
Sidenote: Did anyone else ever put Symphony of the Night into a PC and find the music track?
Also, Resident Evil 2 should've won the "Loser's Bracket"... Just saying.
Go Jirard! This winner does indeed deserve to go to head to head with the winner of the winner's bracket.
As a longtime fan of Crash and a newborn fan of Castlevania, I can easily agree with Jirard in saying that Castlevania SOTN should have won this entire season by a landslide. Just... for the love of God... do NOT play Mirror of Fate. Oh my god. Worst first Castlevania game to be introduced to personally. *shudders*
I would love a podcast!!!
OooO Noooo0O, earlier the panel had an opinion I didn't personally agree with, do now I'll bitch about it every video in the comments and insult the people. This pity party in the comments needs to stop. Yep Barry and Caddy didn't play FF9. Get over yourselves.
I was just wondering, are Abe’s exodus and odyssey just not popular games, I consider those two games especially exodus to be one of the better Psx games, I’m sure I’m not the only one here 🤷🏻♂️
Man I really love Barry, but he was kinda lame in this bracket. He barely even played the games and made a bunch of weird judgements like "Crash 2 has bad controls, but Spyro 1 has good controls."