Did Bill & Ted Go Woke? A Brief History of Wokeness in Film
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
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After the trailers, many are worried that Bill & Ted would end up being upstaged by their own daughters in “Face The Music”. Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, Terminator Dark Fate and Charlie’s Angels all went woke, and destroyed their legacy heroes; could Bill and Ted escape that destiny?
In this video we will answer that question, as well as provide a brief history of wokeness on cinema.
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Sorry about the "concerning" spelling... That was my bad!
I stood by you in the last video before i had seen the film.
Now, I found Wonder Woman to be woke. I’m not a fan if Black Widow (also Woke). I didn’t enjoy The Witcher (mostly woke). So I don’t always agree with the RUclips majority.
However, Bill and Ted gets my “Woke free bill of health”. You are vindicated!
The daughters were excellent, they loved their dads and they couldn’t have been more suited! The panel of “women” in the future was groan worthy. The black rocket scientist was “wtf?” .. but they were minor. It was LESS Woke than wonder woman.
Minor nitpick... Woke goes well beyond TFA. The first Woke I remember seeing was the reimagined Scooby Doo (about 2010). From beloved characters from the 60s to the piece of sh1t I saw around 2010? I “screened it” and decided I didn’t want my kids to be subject to such intolerant prejudice. There as a hell of a lot of Woke in kids shows. The 60-70s were far more tolerant and inclusive. Post 2000 has been mostly trash. Occasional gem like “the last air bender” shows that brilliance is still possible ... but Korra was painful.
So, minor nitpick.
If you like the original Bill & Ted, this is worth seeing! Support the creators if you want alternative to Woke.
@@wb5036 Glad to hear you weren't disappointed by B&T!
@@MidnightsEdgeAfterDark I'm looking at the Birds of Prey box office numbers and it says it made $84 million domestically and $117 million internationally. The $33 million domestic is the opening weekend, but in the video it sounds like thats the total. Box office mojo and "the-numbers" both show these numbers
Professor Geek recently made a video in response to everyone saying that Bill & Ted isn't woke and Ed Solomon's answer to why their kids are girls instead of boys. Here you go: ruclips.net/video/g8R4HaFeoTY/видео.html
Not sure what the spelling problem was but good video. Also, my state has no theater open yet, but just for you guys and Mom's birthday, I'm renting it for 20 to stream. Mecha got me especially giddy on the subject. I wrote a Ghostbuster 2016 premise that was diverse, female and a passing of the torch while watching the movie since I could for free. Basically I got bored. But I enjoyed the project.
Anytime i see something in pop culture, my pavlovian response is "how woke is it?".
Same. I just don't get excited for things anymore. Not new shows, new movies, new games. Whenever I hear about something new coming out, even things I would have been really exited for 5 years ago, I immediately groan and dread how they're going to screw it up for Woke points. I just can't be excited for new things.
i feel you man. Maybe its time to just step away
I’m getting that way too! As long as I don’t start drooling as well! 😉😅😂😂👌✌️🤘🖖
"Be excellent to each other." That is all.
Party on Dude!
Except as always now, 'boys' have been replaced with 'girls.' Bill and Ted had girls. These girls then pretend to be adventurous boys (um...girls have periods, for example, once a month and these hurt like heck). This is getting ridiculous, all the boys are now vanishing rapidly. Who is going to watch this thin fare? GIRLS???
That is one hell of bodacious statement dude.
"Be excellent to each other" doesn't resonate in the year 2020 sadly. You're still likely to get called a racist.
Emsnews Supkis LoL I can’t wait to hear how this isn’t a sexist comment (I’m a girl who grew up watching the originals but I guess god forbid we get to choose what we watch). Don’t worry, you can go back to your safe space tree fort with your “no girls allowed” sign to avoid our cooties. 🙄🙄🙄
"Hollywood is prone to trends" There's trends and there's abuse. People in Hollywood crossed too many lines and in my view should face the consequences before I'll consider trusting their products.
Vigilante Caregiver yes. I will give it at least five years until I am even reconsidering watching the stuff they produce. To make sure the toxic producers and writers have been weeded out till then.
Hollywood is where trends die.
@Double_Baked well said
@Kam 90 noone has a problem with black or female leads. The problem is they sacrifice good stories to shove in these characters. The gender or skin color of a character SHOULD NOT MATTER. Make a good story with good characters then you can make them black or female. Thats the issue. And also its the left that send death threats remember rise of Skywalker? When rey and kylo werent tigether a hunch of leftist sent death threats.
@kam
You are such a propagandist.
Seriously, get a job at the New York Times. You’d fit right in!
You are unbelievable.
At one point, every second kids film was ramming sexism down boys throats. Your “counter theory” is as long as you can find one person who said “go choke” that’s this was OK?
I’m assuming you’re a Hollywood douche. Nobody else outside of the media and Hollywood thinks like you, thank goodness!
Do people really want the main characters to "pass the mantle"? To me Ghostbusters (like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles for example) are great because of the characters themselves. To me the concept of people catching ghosts isn't the main draw of the Ghostbusters but it is those four guys who we have come to know and love over the decades.
Exactly,for example i don't like Spider Man because of the costume i like him because of Peter Parker.
Ghostbusters 3 was just a badly written movie, the jokes weren't funny, the story lines were lame and the general conversations were - Why did they green light this? I mean even the gender role flip with Chris Hemsworth had potential and i may of even thought it was kinda funny at the time, but looking back at this clip it's clear it is pretty cringeworthy(ruclips.net/video/aGcvpWAhP6I/видео.html). It wasn't bad because it was an all female main cast, i like the cast but their characters were lackluster. It just wasn't a Bridesmaids like laugh-out-loud quality that i was expecting, it was more a omg these jokes are not funny.
@@pluckypluckster It wasn't even written. Most of the movie was patched together from improvised scenes.
@@pluckypluckster I don't have a problem with an all-female cast (and I seriously love Kate McKinnon), the problem starts when you try to make other characters not named Peter, Egon, Ray and Winston, Ghostbusters. That's my point, I don't care for a new generation or all-female Ghostbusters, those will never replace or surpass the originals. We will never be able to see the four original actors together again and that's fine, people need to learn to let go and move on to new things.
"Passing the mantle" can be, just like any story mechanic, good or bad. It can also become overused. Batman passing the mantle is one of the better examples of this being done well.
Hollywood needs to follow the path of McDonald’s a few years ago. At one time McD’s was trying to be all things to all people. The internet was torching them for their unhealthy menu and wanted more healthy options. For some years, they offered a lot of items to appeal to this crowd. Their stock continued to drop. They realized they should go back to basics and scale back the overloaded menu. Stock went way back up.
My point is, you can’t please everyone. The loud, vocal minority is simply that. A minority. They make a lot of noise but ultimately don’t WANT to enjoy your product and don’t patronize your business. Make good movies and tv that people enjoy, without pushing an agenda. A movie isn’t good on inclusion and representation alone. If you happen to make a good movie that ticks those boxes, no one will even notice.
Absolutely! They should just accept that their main audience will always be male; just like romantic films will always have a predominantly female audience, those things will not change anytime soon.
well said
Kam 90 Yes, same here. I love the likes of Selene, Lara Croft, Wonder Woman, Sarah Connor and the list is endless. The problem is when they need to prop up female characters by making them flawless while making men incompetent or stupid.
Kam 90 Good point, sadly I think this is a direct result of everything discussed in the video. Anytime a female character or a POC gets announced it is labeled as woke. That said (and as a disclaimer, I don't live in the US and am not a white guy) the trend of race-swapping a character is lazy.
@Kam 90 the fandom menace is a lie.
The only problem with the analysis is that "wokeness" isn't as much a trend as it is a cult. The primary effect of Disney's "woke purge", for example, will not be an end to feminist and pro-LGBTQ "representation" (that is, preaching) in their movies, series, and comics. The primary effect will be the company coming down on employees and associates who "blame the fans". But the goal of transforming western culture via Critical Theory away from "whiteness" (that is, its Christian/Greek cultural roots) will continue apace. The people FINANCING Hollywood may be ready to move past wokeness, but the True Believers in wokeness who actually MAKE the product won't stop pushing identity politics. That's the reason many of them got into the film/TV industry in the first place.
Wrong. No one GOOD and who makes anything Good, wants to make schlock.
The people who are Woke are in a cult. The people who try to sell things to Woke people are simply misinformed about their trends.
Funny how those who advocate for "more diversity" are almost always the same people who don't go out and buy said diverse products.
"Toxic fandom" really is one of the dumbest phrases to come out of the internet in recent years or at least one that is abused to no end.
Most fans who take issue with your work are not toxic people who "don't like change", fans generally want your brand to be the best that it can be. People in charge of such brands really do need to know that there is a difference between legit criticism and actual harassment.
People saying "fans have become entitled" is kind of a redundant saying because as Zachery once said "you bet your darn right we're entitled". I work at a job that I hate, If I pay for something, I have an expectation of it to be worth my time and money. If it's of poor quality, then I'm gonna voice my displeasure. I don't pay for something I know is going to suck.
I along with many other people invest in stuff that I'm a fan of like 007, DC Comics, Star Trek etc. and have certain expectations or them. If I get more shitty products like "Die Another Day", "Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey", or "Star Trek: Picard" and less products of actual quality like "Casino Royale", "The Dark Knight" or "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine", then your primary target audience will go somewhere else to invest in.
That is nothing new. There are many jokes about black celebrities always going on about black identity and how great black people are and about "The Community", but none of them would ever hire a black agent or black accountant or black lawyer. When it comes to their money, they are all Jewish Supremacists, hehehe.
I especially agree with on the “toxic fandom” thing
It’s now just by used writers/creatives to describe and bash fans who criticize them and their work
Meanwhile you’ve got Steven Universe/She Ra fans going after artists for not “drawing certain marginalized characters *correctly* “ They don’t get publicly written off as toxic fans, especially in She Ra’s case
There’s no distinction now, it’s all just convenient ad hominems
@Kam 90 ...and another SJW pops out of the woodwork... the only reason that these so called "Creatives" are getting supposedly "Harassed" is because they are not working within the boundaries of, or continuing a long running story. These "Creatives" are merely stealing the names and franchises of these characters and making up their own completely different story that reads/plays like a third graders poorly written fan-fiction in which they substitute them selves for the main characters and are absolutely perfect and can do no wrong while denigrating any other characters as the reason the story is so bad and needs to be fixed. These "creatives" are being informed of their myriad errors and departures from the entire story and are "upset" because their crappy, inaccurate storytelling is not being appreciated... perhaps if they just wrote their own stories with their own characters, it might be "reasonable", perhaps even decent. It is the equivalent of going to a fine restaurant and being served spoiled milk and moldy peanut butter sandwiches. Of course the people paying good money for an expectation of good food are going to be angry. When people do not like something, they stop buying it, and if they have already paid, they usually want their money back. But of course, you couldn't possibly understand such a basic idea... otherwise you wouldn't have posted such a foolish statement.
I wouldn't call Craig's Bond to be of value....I'd say more of value like Goldeneye cus I think that's the last real Bond movie universally celebrated by most fans.....
Casino is okay but it's too.....IDK ultra modern yet trying to be in the past but they use cell phones WTF is this crap??
no gadgets, no tools nothing just get in there and kill em.....with a potato chip? are you mad??
that's basically how it feels to me that and C&B torture, the pointless destruction of a perfectly good 2000's car and goddamn what a long intro....wait it's over??
I'm saying Casino was the antithesis of the series, the deconstruction of it, and each on after was the same lolz
I agree with the rest though
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@Kam 90 And I am pretty sure I've made such differences clear in my comment in regards to the difference between legit criticism and actual harassment. The problem is that the entertainment industry has become so full of itself in its so called influence (despite how so few actual experts on the human mind finding any correlation and causality between entertainment and behaviour like sexism and racism).
That list of garbage movies in the beginning was awesome.
@Frost Did this movie do something to you? You have an irrational hatred for it!
I was number 50 👍
@@ironsoul80 what do want a cookie? I was number 1
Alan Moore, the master of how to do deconstruction the right way. Unfortunately Alan Moore despises Hollywood, and Hollywood clearly doesn't understand deconstruction.
Looking forward to watching Bill and Ted again. I've missed those guys.
@Professeur Râleur I mostly agree. There's a time and a place for deconstruction, and it's usually limited to one or two successes before people find themselves swimming neck deep in cynicism and are desperate for something wholesome and uplifting again. Evangelion and Madoka are good examples of deconstruction anime that came at precisely the right time to be a major success while many other shows that hit the same notes and sometimes do it better fall flat because they were late to the party and people are ready to reconstruct once more.
Nelson Smith short version not really woke
@@providencebreaker1558 Very good point, you don't do deconstruction simply to do it. There's also a time when deconstruction helps to you look back at something you've forgotten or taken for granted as being a certain way and then looking at it more a different way.
Evangelion was a great example, though technically Gundam itself was a deconstruction as well.
If you ask me, this B&T sequel is worse than the SW sequels or GB 2016. At least those woketastrophes didn't go back and edit the original material. Having Bill & Ted's famous song turn out to have been written and produced by their daughters, with B&T just playing guitar, is like Lucasfilm going back and saying that Leia actually escaped from her cell and deactivated the tractor beam on her own, then later decided the exact nanosecond to fire the shot that blew up the Death Star, with Luke and Han reduced to just flying the ship in each case. But hey, at least they'd still be "front and center".
I love Bill and Ted. I love Keanu and Alex but when I saw in the trailer it being mentioned a song by "Preston and Logan" I knew it would be their daughters that come up with the song. Look, if it had been vague in the previous two films as to who wrote it it would be one thing, but it was blatantly obvious in the first two films that the characters played by Alex and Keanu were the ones that were going to write the song to save the world/universe. This movie just take all that history and throws in a quote on a watch to try to make the TERRIBLE retcon of it being their daughters that write the song acceptable. I'm sorry but that's just bad writing. I enjoyed the movie, I really did. It was great seeing them again and they did well. Their daughters weren't over done either, but the ending throwing out the strongest plot point of the previous two films is just ridiculous and a lousy retcon.
@@creativeguy1138 aggree
Hollywood has systematically ruined every property I grew up loving. I can't watch Bill & Ted if it is woke.
"the woke agenda hasn't been a success at Disney (and all of Hollywood), it's claimed that Disney is going to purge all the SJWs and cater to the fans."
that is ending ....
SuperOmnicron let's hope so
Just think what us older viewers have had to put up with way before this. There hasn't been a remake or reboot of a beloved 60's television show, or pulp hero that Hollywood hasn't felt the need not to crap on, and this has been going on since the '80s.
Nelson Smith we’ll make our own and gatekeep this time
i was worried about the wokeness and all that too but was pleasantly surprised. if youre a fan you should at least give it a shot.
Don't forget...one of the biggest ways they pumped up a white captain marvel was to make a strong black Nick fury into a weak fool. Seems racist to me but guess I'm just not woke enough to understand the genius of ruining a black character to make a white one looked better
I took it more as a "stunning and brave" woman vs a man BS.
That version of Fury has always been nothing but a blackwashed, tokenized, shadow of the OG Nick Fury, anyway. Too bad the cat didn't kill him.
David Hasslehoff would have never let a cat take his eye.
It is double duty as Nick Fury was originally white, but changed to black for... reasons...
@@arndtdj that reason was because he was inspired by the black version of nick fury in ultimate marvel, and in the mainstream universe they showed that nick fury has a son called nick fury jr who was based on the mcu version. i'm hoping that they introduce the white version in the mcu as his father that would be cool
2015 is over. Didn't they get the memo?
I wish it was Dec 31 1979 again.......
so that we can relive the best decade all over again
@@darthXreven I don't know much about the 80s, I was born in 1988, so the 90s were basically my whole childhood
Anyone notice how much beardless, old Keanu Reeves looks like Allan Rickman?
Oh wow, yeah!
Face the Music isn't pushing a woke agenda, but it DID leave me with a sense it was poisoned by Hollywood to appease a woke multiculti and feminist agenda. Multiculti is hinted at with the wedding song, but can be seen with the historical musicians. All 3 of the Americans are black. There's a Chinese flautist unknown to western civilization. As far as feminism, I'm pretty sure the future counsel was all women. But this multiculturalism and feminist stuff didn't take the plot off the rails into 'i hate white people especially men' territory like woke films do. This stuff turns out to be background noise to the actual plot of the film. What impresses me is how the writers took the lemons handed to them with things inserted into the end of Bogus Journey seemingly meant to sabotage a 3rd movie and managed to turn them into lemonade with Face the Music.
I really wished the the drummer was replaced with someone historical.
Lemonade? Did we watch the same movie, shit the lemon tree died because of it.
@@nlawler12 yes we did. you missed the context of what I said. I wasn't saying Face the Music was a good movie. I said the writers did a good job having to deal with someone else's work. You did see Bogus Journey, right? Specifically the end credits sequence with the magazine covers/newspaper headlines saying Wyld Stallyns split up and the Grim Reaper goes solo and gets caught up in a music scandal. The writers Chris Matheson and Ed Solomon didn't put that in Bogus Journey, some other idiot did. The entire scene with Bill and Ted reuniting with Death in Face the Music is based off of this and it winds up being one of the better scenes in the movie.
@@theehhhnd5708 I was going to comment that the drummer had a throwaway line about being a generic Mongolian, but he clearly looked and acted like a caveman down to using bones as drumsticks. Racially he didn't even look Mongolian or Asian. He looked like a black guy with dreadlocks. And no I'm not talking about Dave Grohl.
@Frost was it good? no. was it terrible? hell no. definitely disappointing, but it looks like Shakespeare next to the politically woke drivel Hollywood has used popular old franchises like these for.
You got a typo at the 40 second mark, spelled concerns "concearns." Just wanted to let you know.
And at 6:34 as well. I mean, it is _one_ way to know people have watched the video right? :P
@@TheEmperorPigeon my bad
@@MidnightsEdgeAfterDark too late now
@@SFTaYZa No real excuse other than rushing
Are we still pretending that Captain Marvel’s box office numbers were legit? How many images of empty theaters and strange block purchasing of theater tickets do we need to convince people that the studio padded the numbers in a multitude of ways.
No but we don't have to to point out that it was woke
Cyril I don’t believe those numbers at all, they’re a bunch of bullshit.
Don't forget the campaign to raise money to send sick kids to go see it.
@@kronos6948 actually, that wasn't for sick kids, it was for young girls in low income areas who would otherwise not bother going to the movies.
Why does everything have to be passing the torch?
Because Hollywood can only do remakes do to killing off creativity.
@@mossing234 Well then, it's our job to make the change.
Because it gives the writers an excuse to copy and paste character attributes or even entire characters and call it something new. That's the case with almost every passing of the torch movie. Pre-existing characters have story baggage and require more originality and effort to write and allot of mainstream writters in Hollywood aren't that talented.
Because Actors age. It's not like a cartoon or a book where your characters can be the same approximate age for 40 years. Regeneration in Doctor Who was literally invented so they could keep the show going.
@@cylontoaster7660 So why not just end the story completely? They're only doing for the money yeah got that, but the way you make it sound is like it needs to keep going.
When holding an insurrection the theories vary but usually its stated that only 10% of the populace needs to participate if 20% are receptive. The woke barrage was a cultural insurrection -- Remember most people are in the 'leave me alone already' category till someone crosses a line. They came for so many hobbies that if your line was not crossed yet take preemptive action.
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@@Teeveepicksures You must be a true intellectual.
@@spec24 far from it. however, Im also not some angry loser idiot who cries about "cancel culture".
grow up, snowflake
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holy shit, just realized my comment was a year old.
seriously, kid. get out of the house and stop blaming others for your shit life.
"Male characters would be too redundant". I'd say that answers the question.
Maybe someone should tell them that gender is a social construct and girls are exactly the same as boys, if they even identify as girls or boys, or as humans.
yep, woke confirmed
No it doesn't, I can see that being a perfectly valid creative choice having nothing to do with wokeness. Don't let SJWs traumatize you so much that you start reacting to everything as if it's automatically woke. That's exactly what they want, it's how they are, they want to drag everyone down to their level. And trust me I get it, I've been dealing with this shit longer than most and it's affected every single area of my life, not just the entertainment I consume. SJWs are the worst people to have ever lived on this planet and everything they touch turns to shit. But I'm not going to let them make me resemble them in any way.
@@mattmark94 women = woke? Ur an idiot
well the girls are basically carbon copies of bill and ted so if they were boys it would be like they were their clones.bill and ted are still very much teenagers at heart and behave the same as they always have.the girls also love their dads and only ever try to help them throughout the whole movie they are support characters and most of the movie the audiance follows bill and ted.
there was a problematic moment at the end of the movie but it quickly repairs itself if you dont stop watching.mecharandom talked about it in her spoiler review.
You miss Frozen 2 and Toy story 4 gone woke in 2019.
How were those woke?
It's hardly a surprise that neither of those films were mentioned since both of them were critical and commercial successes, so mentioning them would compromise the "woke film = bad film" message that Midnight's Edge have been pushing for quite a while now.
The reason why it seems as though "wokeness" is ruining films is because, generally speaking, progressive films that are actually good don't get branded as "woke" to begin with. Wonder Woman, Alita: Battle Angel, The Boys, Captain Marvel and Birds of Prey all feature progressive/"woke" portrayals of female characters, but because the first three on that list actually did it _well_ people tend not to think of them as being "woke" movies/shows. Being socially progressive doesn't inherently make a film good nor does it inherently make it bad; it's all in the execution. If a film handles feminism well (like Wonder Woman) then people tend not to complain or think of it as having some kind of biased political agenda, but if a film handles feminism badly (like Birds of Prey) then it's held up as "yet another example of how wokeness ruins movies".
Mild Inconvenience it also depends what your definition of woke is. To some it just means any movie or show with a female or non white character (which is pretty dumb) while to some others (which I think is the more correct definition) is a movie/show that showcases misandry and/or anti white racism, shows females to be superior to males, makes choices in cast and crew by affirmative action, has diverse casts In places where it makes no sense (like The Witcher), etc
@@johnsmith651 In Toy Story 4, Woody is now a bumbling old fool given less attention by his new owner and when she makes a new toy that escapes, he goes on a journey to find him. Along the way, he runs into Bo Peep again who's now a strong female and he is now a wimp that needs her help.
Glad someone mentioned Toy Story 4, noticed right away that Woody spends most of the movie getting bossed around be women. Buzz is also turned into an idiot as well.
Frozen 2 also had the villains end up being the "evil white colonizers" who terrorize the poor innocent brown Natives. Source - I have young children
From now on we should be making news videos about things NOT being woke. Snce everything being woke is already the default state.
I recommend the devil all the time from Netflix. Not woke at all and hand a compelling story
I think de-construction can work, but not of a paragon, more a deconstruction of a premise. Return to Oz deconstructs the Wizard of Oz by leaving the once beautiful and happy land as a dirty, destroyed wasteland. The Empire Strikes Back deconstructs the premise of Star Wars by suddenly making the story about a man confronting his father, rather than a man confronting his father’s killer. Who Framed Roger Rabbit deconstructs the idea of happy, carefree cartoons by showing us a man who’s brother was literally killed by cartoons, and that cartoons themselves suffer horrible pathos because their existence constantly revolves around making others happy, even while they are enraged, depressed, and without hope.
You're talking about the literary theory of deconstructionism: literariness.org/2016/03/22/deconstruction/ This has been around for a long time. For example, Alan Moore initially became famous for applying deconstructionist concepts to comic books in the 80's.
The "deconstruction" mentioned in this video is actually a related but much newer concept called Critical Theory: andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/the-roots-of-wokeness The very simple (and probably inaccurate) explanation of critical theory is that it is an attempt to take the literary theory of Postmodernism (of which deconstructionism is a part) and apply it to the real world of politics and commerce instead of books.
What we're seeing in the last five or so years is the emergence into the mainstream of a culture that had been previously mostly confined to college campuses and taught as literary theory.
Holy shit, i will never be able to watch Who Framed Rodger Rabbit? The same way ever again. Those poor fucking toons!
@@jeremiahalexander5513 You want it even darker? Read the same in name only books. Roger faked his own death for one
Jeremiah Alexander yeah, another fucked up thing about Roger Rabbit, the plot is based on real life. Car companies conspired to get rid of public transit in major cities when Interstates were being built to force people to buy cars, and forced massive evictions onto minority neighborhoods to sell their property to developers for gas stations and other highway improvements.
2014 was the darkest year in Western Civilization - when the media actively demonized a consumer revolt over ethics in video game journalism. Hopefully we are about to put this entire period behind us.
You are not at all prepared for what's coming.
Start a vegetable garden and listen to music. It's enlightening. Unplug from the digital prison my friend.
@Professeur Râleur Trump won't do anything for you and Democrats don't need your vote since they're importing new voters by the millions. If you wanna rely on democracy as part of a shrinking demographic group, you already lost.
@Professeur Râleur Can't say I'm thrilled with the choice between egotistical incompetence vs. socialism. Trump really needed to be run against in the primary.
@Esben M Not Gamergate itself - but the reaction and this entire period that followed since 2014.
Abraham Lincoln once said, "you can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time."
The same basic truth of this quote applies to making people happy. The sooner we, collectively as a people, realize this, the better off we'll be.
"What fans want is a passing of the torch..."
Eh... _No!_
as Kylo Renn himself once said "let the past die..."
@@AzguardMike Kylo Renn was the most interesting character in that whole Cinematic abortion, and they killed him off.
You forgot to mention about Captain Karen's questionable profit. Empty theaters, mass sold tickets but never claimed, and Disney underhanded a broached to calculation profit. To name a few.
When all of these films are laid out in this fashion, even a conspiracy skeptic like myself has to concede that you make a compelling argument.
These films and shows are only the tip of the proverbial iceberg - the most obvious examples. Woke is all over everything when you start to pay attention to it.
Mydnight's Oblivion:
If you watch UK adverts you’d be mistaken in thinking that every couple/relationship/marriage here is mixed race.
Impossible when 83%-87% of the population is white.
@@thetalonsofwaynechiang exactamundo.
Robot in BATFTM: I'm all white, I fucked up the plan, I can't dance, my name is Dennis. Remove said robot, plot won't change much.
It's woker and woker the more I think on it.
Conspiracy skeptic? You don't need to be a skeptic when these very people are telling it to your face!
@@thetalonsofwaynechiang Same thing in the US. You'd think, by watching advertisements, that 90% of the population was made up of blacks, 5% Asian, 4% other, and 1% white.
Bill and Ted fan from the 90s that avoid all trailers!! I just saw it and even IF the daughters were sons it still would be JUST a remake! nothing more sadly
@Anon Sevenforsixfivesix It didn't really matter in the end if you actually watched the movie.
Good work Robb and team! That's an Excellent summary.
My wife and I were talking about B&T being "woke" didn't want to waste the $$$ to be lectured. After your hints, we'll rent it tonight. Thanks.
So, what did you think of the film?
@Frost Nah it's just an excellent movie dude
That scene in endgame was so immersion breaking
I have great "woke" radar and watched B&T last night.
It's only about 5% woke. There are a lot of male characters that have been replaced by females (4 main characters) but none of them are Mary Sues. There was a little black-washing, but nothing serious.
The movie was VERY dad-friendly.
There were NO woke messages that I could detect.
I watched the new Bill and Ted over the weekend... I agree with how I expected to see the daughters rise up and save the day and be better than their deadbeat dads, but the movie kept with the previous theme of Bill and Ted being the same as they were and the daughters help them achieve their goal. The daughters were just as quirky as Bill and Ted, kind of an extension as them really. It was refreshing to see a touching story about family and friends without destroying the original characters that some of us enjoyed and grew up with.
Yup. This was disappointing. SPOILERS
This would be like if a time traveler showed up and told Joseph that he was going to save the world at the last supper instead of his son, Jesus. How could you get this wrong with access to time travel?!?!?!
*EXACTLY*
MORE SPOILERS lol: Depends how you look at it. Bill & Ted were actually the ones who saved the day, and although the song was kick started by their daughters, the very closing actually states that in the end the song was not important. So I would argue that the idea that Bill & Ted would unite the world was true . I just want to see the bit after where they can now apparently talk to house hold pets lol.... right Rufus?
Also if you paid attention everything didn't completely sync until Bill & Ted started playing with the rrst
in the second movie their babies at the end were boys, were they gender swapped for the third movie? I thought there was some line like "little Bill and lttle Ted"?
The new movie literally addresses that in the first scene, where Ted's dad talks about how they used to call their daughters "little Bill and little Ted"
@@cylontoaster7660 they might have but it doesnt make sense, its a gender swap then, they also ignored the ending of the second movie. On the plus side it doesn't sound like they have gone down the man hating route and full on girl power so maybe lessons are being learned
@@cylontoaster7660 yes it is called a "retcon"
@@lmc4964 It's not a gender swap because they literally NEVER said their kids at the end of 2 were boys or girls. They just said "this is little bill and this is little ted" and showed 2 infants.
@Fork Handles but Bill and Ted occurs in neither place. More importantly the writer admits that they were originally planned to be boys but was changed because buddy movies have been done before. He also confessed to thought crimes and the need for atonement. So... yeah pandering
Somehow I was never worried with this one. When I saw that they had daughters in the trailer, I just "oh okay neat, damn does this look like a fun movie". I'm glad to hear my gut was right on this one, cause Bill & Ted is not about some stupid message, it's just about rockin' out and having fun, and that's all I wanted from this movie.
Cannot believe out of over 8,000 plus views my like is number 1,000! Thank you Rob, Tom, and Andre for your work and time!
Just the fact that you said they respected Bill and Ted’s character I want them to have all of my movie money even if it’s a shit movie
0:48 Actually “wokeness” actually began with Mad Max: Fury Road. Unlike all other movies since, it is the only great movie that actually told a great story with what later became a trend for “woke.” Everyone in Hollywood that tried to copy the ideas from Fury Road and ended up making films with a political agenda. It is sad that Fury Road doesn’t get any credit for being that one movie that entertainment today tries to copy
Except Mad Max: Fury Road isn't even woke. That's like saying the Batman: The Animated Series episode, "The Forgotten" (the human trafficking episode) was woke.
tl;dr
No, they didn't. And I'm so very glad.
Lovely and very good video. Thank you guys! ☺︎
The weird thing no one seems to remember is that at no point in the first two films is it ever said by anyone that Bill and Ted (or Preston/Logan) will write ONE song that will change humanity. Just one song. That’s a retcon from Face the Music that has somehow Mandela Effected itself into being part of the story since the beginning.
Exactly. Also, in Face the Music, Bill and Ted write a song that saves all of time and historical figures are shown jumping to different times as time folds in on itself. In Excellent Adventure, Bill and Ted write music (many songs) that bring people together, helping to end war and poverty, and bringing about universal harmony with alien life. The past was never in jeopardy, and if Bill and Ted failed their history report and they were separated, the future wouldn't have been destroyed; it just wouldn't have been the utopia that it became thanks to Bill and Ted. Face the Music gets the story all wrong.
Wokeness has been mainstream for a long time, just look at almost every sitcom where the man of the house is a bumbling idiot. It's only in the last few years that they've dropped any pretext to be subtle and have gone all out.
Disney Dad's...….That is all
It was an average film to be honest. Not really crazy woke or anything just bang average. The first 2 were a lot better.
Had the actual Ad for the bill and ted movie before this video! It raised some concerns even before watching your vid. ☹️
Yes,that new trailer put me off seeing it in the cinema. Go woke, don't get my money.
Same here, my wallet shuts down at the first sign of wokeness.
It's funny how your entire criticism is based on buzz words with no specifics. Almost makes you seem like a plant.
@@ApesAmongUs I've seen it and they owe me money. Shite.
@@ciaranmurren Again, no specifics. Not a single word that couldn't be written by a random person in a dark room in China with no contact with the outside world. Are you in a political prison somewhere? I know you can't speak freely, so post another empty criticism if you need us to send help.
@Dongs Wow, now 3 people criticizing without giving specifics. You'd think 3 whole brains working together would be able to remember one thing from the movie.
Loved the movie for the most part. It was like watching Endgame but for musicians.... I am one. When they got Jimmy, Louie, Wolfgang, and the flute lady I clapping and hootin’. It had the Endgame formula, definitely, but it had the heart from Coco marinated into it.
Just because a film or a television show has female leads that doesn't necessary mean its "woke".
You'll find that pretty much everyone on this comments section has a list of favorite strong female characters. Ripley from Alien and Sarah from Terminator are usually the two at the top. What we don't like are women who supplant established male characters at the expense of those characters, make the men seem weak and foolish so the women look stronger by comparison, or women who have unrealistic abilities (Kristen Stewart taking on a male twice her size in Charlies Angels) We get pissed and defensive when people like Tim Miller call us out as women hating fiends before we've even had a chance to see the movie (Dark Fate did end up being exactly what we thought) But strong, well written women aren't on our list of things to despise. They just seem to be in short supply these days.
Samara Weaving is one of my faves! She's just got a great energy in all the movies I've seen her in, very enthusiastic and fun.
Went to the Drive in to see this on opening weekend. Loved it.
Thank you for this Midnight. I was a little worried it might have been. It looks like the reviews are pretty good too. Can’t wait to watch it tonight.
Dongs actually the movie was pretty good. Not woke at all. The daughters were very fun to watch, but they were secondary characters AS THEY SHOULD BE!!! Bill and Ted are still very much the main focus. They weren’t degraded they are very much the same characters from years ago.
If this is the last time we see Bill and Ted again I’d be happy with it. They went out on a great movie.
I thought at the end of the film when they say its there daughters who come up with the song, bill and ted were just gonna watch from the side, but thank god they didnt, in the end it was all of them together, bill and ted still played the song, it was simply there daughters who came up with the idea and bill and ted themselves who played it with the help of the entire world, it was great
Yeah i thought that too, i was expecting the daughter's to say 'Dad's, we got this, we'll travel back in time and give everyone musical instruments so they can play along, then we'll return and jam away on our guitars to the song' whilst bill n ted were leaning on the phone booth saying 'that's our girls'..... Thankfully that never happened.
Also at the end of the film the daughter's say, it wasn't so much the song that was the key, it was everyone performing it at the same time. Which is where bill and ted really fulfilled the silly prophecy, they went back in time and gave everyone instruments, therefore everyone joined in at the same time(bill and ted time logic)and then arrived in time for the grand finale and rocked the night away with their guitar solo's. We then see the magic sparks fly off their guitar's as the world is united through song. It was still all about bill n ted, just they got some big help from their daughter's and young jimi hendrix etc.
I just don’t understand the “giving everyone instruments” part. It implies that every single person who has ever lived on Earth knows how to play an instrument.
Definitely plan to see B & T. Been looking forward to it since any rumor of it started trickling out.
I will have to wait to buy a physical copy.
I am convinced to watch it after watching 2 hrs and 30 mins worth of your review.
However, the country I currently resided in for work unfortunately do not have the movie.
Quit trying to BS everyone, this movie is woke
>next of kin just had to be females
>the daughters were the ones who made the world saving music
>bill and ted are just the back up players
Yeah they are totally woke
The fact that everyone on Twitter was loving it, should be an indication lol.
You are no better than any raging SJW. You just went on the opposite direction.
You're wrong they don't make any music and it's not even about the music it's about everybody playing it at the same time through space and time which Bill and Ted figure out
Maybe take your woke-glasses off. A movie isn't woke just because it has females in it.
The casting was great in this.
@JRPGFan20000 is that anything like the "not gays"?
The main reason to have a passing of the torch in a sequel is if further sequels are planned, and the original protagonists are too old to carry the franchise forward in the long term.
If the sequel is intended to be the concluding chapter of a story though, then you don't necessarily need a passing of the torch, especially if that story concludes with world peace having been achieved. In the case of this franchise, world peace was seemingly achieved at the end of the second film, so there was no need for this third chapter, never mind further sequels.
Having just watched it, Face The Music seems like a well-intentioned film, which isn't an attack on men or masculinity like some of the other movies you listed... but it does feel like a film that's trying overly hard to be inclusive in terms of race and gender, and one that reduces Bill and Ted's contribution in the climax in order to achieve that.
Hopefully Bill and Ted 3 and the real Ghostbusters 3 will be the upward projection to get rid of Wokeness and focus on quality stories & characters.
My theory? despite saying otherwise, this movie probably didn't get started writing until 2015. They shipped it around for a few years, getting more broke by the minute. then they figured out why it wasn't getting picked up, because hollywood was going woke. So, they played the game. They changed Rufus, the ruling council, and the sons to daughters and EVERYTHING else about the script remains the same, which is why it doesn't feel woke. all they did was change a few genders to get the movie made. that's what makes the most sense to me at least.
Sounds like a plausible theory. I don't think they were ever planing to make a woke movie, but they adjusted the script to make the woke police happy.
The script was done over 10 years ago. Hollywood didn't want anything to do with the movie because it wasn't woke enough
@@MidnightsEdgeAfterDark In your interview with Solomon he states that Bill & Ted's progeny were originally boys, but they changed them to girls because they liked it more that way.
Ok, so why are you pointing out in this video that the kids were played by girls in Bogus Journey? Seems like a redundant argument, no? Not to mention that toddlers aren't usually cast based on their sex, as no one can tell the difference anyway.
@@holdemagroin1167 That part is true but if you have seen some of the comments it seems it needed more clarification. It is a bit redundant but in the end it doesn't change that he's probably right, especially after seeing the film. I am not sure it would have worked with Juniors or super smart or super cool kids (which is what a lot of people were afraid of the girls becoming and over-shadowing their fathers)
@@MidnightsEdgeAfterDark The kids don't have to be super cool or super smart. You know that right? They could have easily been boys who are too smart for their own good and don't see the challenge in going to school, so they just hang around doing nothing. Then when Bill and Ted Sr. get into trouble and they're forced to go back in time to help their dad's that would end up proving that they aren't as smart as they think they are and that they have a lot of growing up to do and need to shape up their act since you know they're the SONS of the saviors of time and space. Boom. Better story than the woke crap we got. You succ tom.
NO. I DON'T WANT A "PASSING OF THE TORCH." I want to see the story play out. Not be repeated with STRONG WHAMENS. It's a mess.
Face the Music isn't a passing of the torch as much as we want Ghostbusters to be I think is what Robb was getting at more so
Say what you want about Rey's powers, but the description of Holdo's relationship with Poe is a gross misrepresentation of that Last Jedi subplot. Holdo did not "get most of her people killed by not sharing her plan with her senior officers." She shared her plan with the senior staff. The fact is, by that point in the movie, Poe was not a member of her senior staff. He had been demoted for not following orders - an act of insubordination that resulted in the loss of almost all the Resistance fleet's fighters and bombers to take out one Resistance dreadnought. Having not learned any lessons in leadership from that, he then repeated his mistake, organizing a mutiny because he couldn't accept being out of the command loop. Had he properly followed orders, there probably is no mission to Canto Bight, no recruitment of DJ and thus no way for the First Order to detect the cloaked escape ships. Had Poe followed orders, he would have brought Finn to Holdo with his intelligence about the tracking system, and Holdo probably would have told him his plan at that point. But because Poe refused to follow orders and instead organized a mutiny based on sending Finn and Rose on an unauthorized mission, he's the one more to blame for getting so many resistance ships destroyed in the escape to Crait.
This fact finally helps Poe learn the lesson Leia was trying to teach him about leadership, as in the Battle of Crait he's the one in the position of leadership ordering the troops to fall back to find a better strategy, and dealing with someone under his command (Finn) ignoring the order and instead pursuing the foolish attack. By the end, Leia is confident enough in Poe to essentially make him her replacement in the chain of command.
So, I guess you can call it woke if you think the presence of the female military officers is sending the wrong message, but ultimately it's a story about following the chain of command, following orders and being rewarded for it. Now, the random lesbian kissing in Rise of Skywalker, there's your wokeness involving female officers.
I'm hoping to see it with my younger brother. Bill & Ted, like Wayne's World, hold a special place in my heart for a time we grew watching the first two films in the 00s in the UK and loving seeing a Pre-Matrix Keanu and being introduced to Alex Winter and George Carlin as well as one of my favourite versions of Death. Hoping I can see Face The Music in the cinema after Ed Solomon's Twitter announcement with my brother some time next month. It will be EXCELLENT.
Didn't they already answered this question in the review they did
Kinda, not really though (since there weren't any spoilers there)
I've been looking forward to seeing this film for quite awhile. I'm glad to hear it's not woke but I didn't think Reeves and Winters would allow that to happen to their characters.
Oh no the latter 100% would do something like that. He is one of the biggest virtue signalers on the planet.
So did nobody notice the blink and you’ll miss it scene where Billie and Thea are holding hands?
the date fate is actually.... 'sarah C's chronicles' and should have been advertised as such a story without killing John C// thanks for the upload..
1. Sons are now daughters. 2. Female Rufus 3. Nearly all Female panel of authority figures in the future 4. Nearly all black music figures collected throughout history 4. The actress playing Ted's daughter is "gender fluid" This shit can't get woker.
This was interesting, so just a few thoughts. As to point 1, they were never stated to not be daughters and were originally played by little girls, so I agree with the director that if they had been sons, it would have been a bit redundant, just Bill & Ted clones. As for point 2&3, I do basically get what you're saying but I don't think it bothered me in the movie. The reason being, the fact they were female had nothing to do with the plot, it was never used as a devise to school the audience on diversity. I hate woke overloads and I barely noticed. It was just there to be noticed or not noticed but didn't detract from anything. I'm ok with seeing more women in cinema so long as they are not there just because they are women. As for point 4, I liked the selection of musicians, I thought it was a great choice if you're looking for musicians more than songwriters, so again it didn't feel forced or like it was detracting. The Hendrix / Mozart scene was amazing. As for point 5 , well, I don't really care about the actors' personal lives unless they are in some way criminal and I want to avoid supporting their pay. If she has some interpretation of gender that I don't agree with, that's her business and good on her for not letting it get in the way of making a movie like some would. Just my thoughts :)
@@BakaBroadcast I'll agree on the musicians up until the point of the drummer. That choice was unnecessary and made no sense, other than to appeal to wokeness.
Baka Broadcast the actual gender of baby actors isn’t important. Often babies that are just on set are used and dressed into the appropriate colours.
The fact that the directors are using this to justify a gender switch in the story proves to me at least that it was intentional political.
They were supposed to be boys. The fact that they didn’t outright put a disclaimer on the gender is because it was obvious.
They were called bill and ted ffs.
I know it offends the gender fluid woke brigade to be reminded that girls and boys act differently but it only becomes more apparent when teenage girls try and emulate teenage boys characters.
When Teds daughter lowered her voice and started to swagger around it looked like a bad cosplay.
Children are not carbon copies of their parents (as evidenced by bill and ted themselves).
They could have made the kids individual characters but instead they made them female copies.
They are doing it in a more subtle way (a few years ago they would just rebooted it like ghostbusters).
People aren’t stupid though and the woke undertones still poisons the experience.
Let these films continue to flop though it doesn’t matter.
I don’t expect anything better now from Hollywood and have personally started to watch more of the Korean film industry instead.
@@putitawo74 I kind of agree there actually, but that is a small enough point that it didn't damage the film for me.
@Bob Bobberson You make a fair point in essence, I mean, I really really am against wokeness being shoe horned in to films and I agree that there are decisions in here that I wouldn't have made, but I really wouldn't defend it for the sake of it. The truth is that none of these creative choices damaged the film for me. It is true that no one names their daughters "Bill and Ted" but the very way they did that actually to me was quite funny. I enjoyed that honestly as a joke. Would I watch a film of female Bill and Ted? Probably not no, but as supporting characters I really enjoyed them honestly. I also must say that I am not making excuses because I would be the first person to be angry if they genuinely were sacrificing a childhood great of mine at the alter of a fad I dislike so much in so many movies. I just genuinely didn't feel that way in this film. It is my genuine opinion.
So in your opinion it hasn't gone woke? I intend to do more research before I commit to seeing it but I feel a bit more optimistic now. Thanks for this video.
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I just watched it. They’re full of shit. It IS woke, just not in the aggressive way most other franchises have become. The Future Council? All women. Rufus replaced by his daughter. Bill and Ted’s SONS are retconned to be daughters. Bill and Ted spend the movie fucking everything up, while their daughters re-enact Excellent Adventure and put a POC band together. Oh and the song that “unites the world”? SPOILER..........all made possible by their daughters. But don’t worry, they still let Bill and Ted play guitar with their daughter’s band at the end, so dumb nerds like Midnight’s Edge are distracted by “the feels” while Hollywood yet again pulls the rug out from under them.
I love your analysis. I saw the original 2 B&T in 1989 and 1991. This is how to do a nostalgia type sequel movie.
The reason Bill & Ted work is because the writers are consistent with all 3 films. They know the characters and their ages aren't important.
I loved how the daughters genuinely had faith in wyld stallyns and set out to help while not overshadowing the main duo. They were raised to "be excellent to each other" and continued that trend. The movie just makes you feel good, giving everyone their time to shine without the need to tear down anyone else. Except maybe Dennis, but even B&T say "sure, come along" after he killed everybody.
I don't know. Just leave the originals alone. They're perfect. Even if this is quaint it's still retconning the end of Bogus Journey.
Yeah, Bogus Journey had a fun, uplifting, and solid ending. I wasn’t going to watch this new movie anyway primarily because we got an ending already. I’m good with that.
It doesn't really retcon the end of Bogus Journey. It undoes a good ending for a less good ending, but continuity remains intact for the most part
William Avitt you’re right
@@williamavitt8264 How does it undo anything? They still won the battle of the bands and did all of the things in the credits
@@MidnightsEdgeAfterDark The articles at the end says they played on Mars & The stock market crashed under rumours that Wyld Stallions had broken up etc. You know what those articles don't have? Them being 60+ years old in any of the photos.
I been thinking for a but what about the movie didn't make it woke and I think you got it. Bill and Ted weren't diminished by their daughters at all, who were blind to any of their failings. Plus the girls weren't the bestest evar you can tell they studied music all their lives and earned their talents
Thanks for the positive video, guys!
"Not worth the risk" basically sums up my view of paying for anything from Hollywood in current year.
Good thing Face the Music wasn't made by Hollywood
@@MidnightsEdgeAfterDark How is something produced by Orion pictures and distributed by United Artists, both of which are part of MGM, not part of what people normally refer to as "Hollywood"?
there’re favorite number is 69.
I am now very interested in seeing B&T3.
Thank you.
No. I watched the movie this morning and didn't think they went woke. The message of the movie was that peace is achieved by coming together. There was a subtle hint that their greatest creation was their children and not their music. But they really didn't pursue that theme and I think they missed out. They also missed out by not having their children write the song. There were a couple of missed opportunities with the story. Overall, I enjoyed it. It would have been interesting to see them go back and pick up the historical characters from the original movie, though.
I just watched it. I liked it. It was a good Dad story, I think that was what made it stand out. In a way it was like one of the older good season _Simpsons_ in that way when Homer was an idiot but not a complete idiot, and he was still a good Dad to Lisa
This is NOTHING like the Simpsons.
Two boys would be redundant? Sounds like woke bull.
I’ll continue not bothering with Hollywood movies.
Any sex or race change = Woke = Broke
Also notice how all the race changes involve only white people and the sex changes involve men.
Yeah, and apparently 2 girls who act just like their dads solves the problem and is super fresh. Riiiight... Stinks of bs to high heavens.
Except it's not a hollywood movie. I'm starting to feel like a lot of people just came here drop comments and didn't even watch the video
@@MidnightsEdgeAfterDark I agree with your video; to me, the gender of their children is an irrelevant issue. All that mattered was that the core values of the characters wasn't changed to fit some nonsensical agenda. And, according to you guys, it wasnt.
MEAD hasn't led me wrong yet, so I'll trust your opinion as I have done so from the first video of yours I watched. So long as you continue to keep your values as you have, you will continue to have my trust.
Thank you for everything thing you've posted thus far, and here's hoping you will continue to do so in the future.
@@MidnightsEdgeAfterDark See what you started? Congrats.
Thanks, guys! Very heartening news! Can't wait to be able to go back to the cinema again!
Ok I hated the ending till I watched this...hadn't thought of it like that. Thanks, you've kinda salvaged it for me.
I wasn't interested in seeing Bill and Ted until now, thanks Midnight's Edge!
I was pretty disappointed with Keanu's performance. Alex gave it his all and was great. I saw the "woke" twist coming and I groaned, but it didn't destroy my overall enjoyment of the movie.
thank you for defusing my fears. remember everyone, be excellent to each other.
A most excellent non heinous un-bogus video, party on dudes! 🤘
Not woke, but not a great movie. Yet. I enjoyed watching it.
Too bad you didn't enjoy it as much as others, but at least it wasn't because it was woke, right?
@@MidnightsEdgeAfterDark For sure, not woke for me - Thank you for all of your coverage of this movie - great job~
Maybe they could've gone with a son and daughter instead?
As long as they _didn't_ fall in love at some point that would've been interesting.
@@SchmokinJoe I like that idea and it would show if a guy and a girl are friends they dont have to end up together or bang.
@@nickblack2006 Agreed. Now I'm starting to wish they'd gone with that...
Could have but I don't think it would have helped with any of the questions or "concerns"
@@MidnightsEdgeAfterDark Hahah well yea probley woudnt of :)
0:40 & 6:35 there's an extra 'A' in somewhere in those cards...
sorry, my English teacher haunts me...
Your english teacher was the Fonz?!
@@GODCONVOYPRIME if only...
Ghostbusters 2016? must have forgotten that one haha
I honestly have no idea what Bill & Ted movie you watched. The one I watched saw our optimistic and capable heroes turned into fat failures who lie to and argue with past versions themselves over and over. The daughters manage write the song that saves reality by .... pointing to people...? The people brought to the present are almost all either women or POC or both. The only white male is Mozart who is portrayed as an uppity stick-in-the-mud. In the original B+T, all of the historical figures had flaws and value. What are Hendrix's flaws in this film? Or Armstrong? Or the Chinese floutist? or the African drummer? They have none. And thus, there is also no real comedy in those interactions -- or most of the film.
I could go on and on. This movie was a huge disappointment. Was it as overt as Ghostbusters or TLJ? No, not at all. But it also sacrificed a good story for the sake of shoe-horning in .... whatever you'd call what I described above. "Water-down woke"? I could easily stomach this amount of woke-ness if there was a QUALITY FILM underneath. But that's all that was there.... shallow woke-ness and nothing more. :-( Very sad.
Couldn't of put it better myself!!
Funny I remember when other series sucked, they just sucked for bad writing, poorly developed characters and poor vision. I guess if a series sucks that features diversity, we just blame it on diversity now.
Oh and I thought all the movies listed sucked except avenger endgame because come on that movie was legit. Just in case you thought I was defending all of them.
While diversity doesn’t make a movie bad, that doesn’t save it from the other issues you mentioned. While I do like Endgame, it’s not without criticism.
@@gianthand8130 that’s my point though. Instead of focusing on the issues, people blame the diversity. Ghostbuster 2016 was just a shit film no matter who the ghostbusters were because it’s poorly written etc. So my point is instead of blaming SJWs and woke and soy boys, why can’t we all come together and just be like “hey diversity in films is something we need to work on but we need to make sure that the film quality and character development is there regardless of what efforts are made to increase diversity”?
Watched this movie with my family last night. We all loved it. Not woke at all. Do your part and support entertaining and not woke cinema
Never saw the second movie and wasn't even aware there was an cartoon version.( not that I would have been interested) The first one was part of my cultural grungy/techno background in the '90ties. Loved it.
Anywho. I watched the latest edition, hoping it wouldn't suck. And it didn't. Its a fun ride with some very good scenes. Though for my tast it could have gone a bit more high value. I know the CGI effect are on par with the first movies, the booth was done cool but the rest .. we are 20 years later.. low budget 90'ties graphics, not cool then, not today. It would have helped with the world building. For Instance the future now feel unnesessary empty. Doesn't feel fun.
On the humor part, I feel a lot has been left on the table. Most of the jokes aren't fleshed out enough. Most of it is sweet. But a little more wouldn't have hurt at all. Most fans are beyond there 40ties... even Disney's jokes are more fleshed to suit there secondary older viewers.
Also didn't really like Killer Robot. Looks to me as a missed opportunity on the performance part. I didn't find him funny at all. Sorry if you did. Could have gone a bit further. A little more intelligently funny.
Mite be just me. So forgive me!
In any case, I will watch it again. That how I liked it.
Only looking forward to Dune, otherwise Hollywood is dead to me & won't be back.
After watching Hollywood ruin almost every beloved franchise of my youth in the past five years I pray that the Dune movie is good.
Nope. “Dune” is woke. They gender and race swapped a major character. It therefore gets no $$$ from me.
Still smells woke to me. Bill and Ted did not need to be made stupid, as they were stupid to begin with. They still had to gender swap the succeeding generation. The only thing stopping the woke rot here is that wokeness wouldn’t permit female characters to be stupid, so female characters are prevented from filling Bill and Ted’s shoes. The Woke Scourge continues, IMHO, until we see smart, capable male characters.
Not sure you watched the video
@archiving
If there’s a concern, raising that concern in a rational way can help!
Hollywood is so intensely Woke that it’s reasonable to assume most films will be Woke.
I won’t pay for Woke ... I won’t boycott Woke either (not even Amber Heard).
But flagging Woke is ok. I do not consider Bill & Teds 3 to be woke!
dude what? Bill and Ted were pretty much the same and their daughters were as ditzy airheads like them too.
It won't be bill and ted if they were not stupid...
@@sharpie1201 exactly. They're supposed to be airheads
Thank you! I've been terrified to watch it but you saved the day for me!
So where's the torrents for this movie