Harley Quinn: The Fantabulous Birds of Prey POSTMORTEM
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“Birds of Prey and The Fantabulous Emancipation of one Harley Quinn” under performed so badly that even following its release, the title was changed to emphasize that despite the title, it’s really a Harley Quinn solo movie with some guest stars.
In this postmortem, @AndreEinherjar will explore how it could end up performing this poorly, and what effect that will have upon both the future of DC on film, and the industry as a whole.
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“BIRDS OF PREY (AND THE FANTABULOUS EMANCIPATION OF ONE HARLEY QUINN)” was so successful that WB rushed a sequel into the theaters called “Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey” the very next week.
Soft reshootless reboot.
Amazing!
At least Sony did not get that idea with Ghostbusters 2016. Dodged a bullet there...
😆😅😂🤣
This film is an insult to the inmates of bedlam- on every level it fails. Funnily, it suggests that incompetence and lack of talent can make it to the top. Funny that.
Harley wasn't the break out star of Suicide Squad, her outfit was
That's what guys want to see, her breaking out of that outfit.😉
Minus the neck injury i agree she is a cringe harley
@Seth Hultkrantz you've got some real problems.
@Seth Hultkrantz Wow thats pretty psychopathic.
I didn't like her portrayal one bit. She's trying too hard and lacks Harley's charm and coolness.
"You bunch of misoginists, watch my movie and learn to respect women!" Said the guy who cheated on his wife and his two daughters.
@Seth Hultkrantz He CHEATED his wife and therefore, betrayed his daughters too.
exactly this!! yet no one mentions it
@@cristobocarrin1746 So he did ef his daughters, right? 😃
@Seth Hultkrantz
Hahaha.
As usual it's the people who virtue signal the most who are the one's with something to prove because of their actions and true attitudes they're trying to cover up.
Let's see how many Halloween costumes are based on Harley Quinn this year. My money is on them being recycled from SS, not modelled on BoP.
Mike Stanmore the costumes in BoP look nothing like the comic book accurate character costumes they are supposed to wear. One of their big mistakes is making them look like they all raided a thrift store from LA.
Because women want to look sexy and feel attractive. Who knew eh?
@@amfitness5598 Yeah, the least they could have done was read one of the comics.
@@AdamNigelDark Yeah, I'm as shocked as you are!
I'm hoping for sexy scarlet witch to catch on.
BoP: RT 80%
Joker : RT 60%
As if RT had any credibility left...
You mean "as if critics had any credibility left", right? RT is nothing more than an aggregate that puts all the reviews in one place and spits out a percentage based on the data. The critics decide that number.
@@crazydud3380 TBF, RT actually froze the ROSK audience score so it's not like Rotten Tomatoes is not guilty of tampering with the number.
@@crazydud3380 Not applicable to BOP in particular, but I find RT aggregate style really confusing. It consider anything beyond the middle point positive and gave the % of "positive". If a movie has 70% of its viewers rated it 10/10 and another has 80% of its viewers rated it 5/10, RT will list them as 70% and 80% respectively, giving the illusion that the later is better.
But yet on RT, Joker has a 7.2/10 Average Rating while Birds of Prey only has a 6.8/10.
RT score is how many critics liked it, not how good it is. Joker was divisive, some critics really liked it and some did not. BoP was liked by more critics, but generally not liked by them as much as those who liked Joker.
The problem isn't RT's credibility, the problem is people not understanding what the scores mean.
"Hollywood is starting to notice".... I dont really think so, to be honest,
Once these companies start losing massive amounts of profit.
They're going to pump the brakes on this SJW bullshit Real quick.
They will be called nazi, so they will have to continue making bombs just to save face. And to virtue signal
They KNOW they're losing money, the thing is that they DON'T CARE, for them social engineering and pushing their politics is more worth while than making money. At least for Disney, they don't mind to "invest" a couple of Billion dollars to indoctrinate a new generation. Trust me they know EXACTLY what they're doing.
Golden globe awards didn't get the message. They should know, in a communist take over, these rich kulaks will be the first to go.
They'll notice once the Orange One is gone. Right now, its all about disappearing down the rabbit hole to Hell
"The sequel to Suicide Squad" is one heck of an albatross about the neck.
@Ray Caster over 700 million, not to mention that nu harley became the most popular character of the year
And yet it's nothing compared to the anchor of BoP's execution.
I got that reference.
@@acefromouterspace3813
Indeed. But they didn't indicate in the title that this was a Suicide Squad spinoff so I think they were burned by the bad critical reception of that movie.
@@Katarn84
Not at all the kind of guy you want to meet at a wedding.
Unless it's a GOT wedding.
He'd fit right in there.
People need to stop referencing Rotten Tomatoes, it's already obvious that they're bought and paid for. They're a joke
Captain Marvel... The protection that pile of shit received.
@@BigBossIvan 86% for SW ep 9. Nuff said. That site has zero credibility.
Decomposing vegetables aren’t exactly reliable for every situation.
Yep. I wish youtubers would stop propping up their legitimacy. Rotton Tomatoes was never good, because the rating isn't even based on the actual score it gets. All it means is that 80% of critics arbitrarily gave it red instead of green. Even if they gave the film a 5/10 score...
@@Dinoslay but it's a fruit.
If they wanted Harley to have her own girl gang, they should’ve just made a Gotham City Sirens then. After all, Catwoman and Poison Ivy are villains like her.
That makes sense.
HaremGodRance What comics are you reading? Because imo that’s still exactly who Poison Ivy is
I see the problem: she wanted to be a big star like (Arthur F. )joker in his movie, but then she wanted to be surrounded by other interesting actresses that could potentially be stars as well,
In short, she wanted a loner movie with many people for that loner to be with.
Guarantee they wanted to save Catwoman and Ivy for another big budget DCEU movie like the next Suicide Squad or even the next Justice League. But yeah Harley should of never been attached to the Birds of Prey.
Margot Robbie didn't want to be overshadowed by other stars and more popular characters.
She wanted to be in the spotlight and with Catwoman and Poison Ivy that would haven't happened.
Harley was "the breakout star" of SS because the other characters got zero development or screen time. Katana is a far more interesting character than Harley, but she's an afterthought in that movie.
No amount of screen time or development could make Jive Cortney interesting. He could make a biopic about the Dos Eqiis guy a snoozefest.
Most of the actors sucked in SS.
@@CowMaster9001
While all the hate for Jive? Just curious.
@@nerychristian Katana's actress did pretty well in the boys.
THIS IS KATUUHNAA!
I’m hearing that Margot’s extensive creative influence over this film really hurt it. The whole “Fantabulous” etc. subtitle was her idea for one thing. And that was changed after a week in release. The female director didn’t do the job. The female writer didn’t do the job. The marketing was incredibly misguided. Aside from being woke and anti-male, it seems the film was aimed at young teenage girls who couldn’t see it due to the R rating. Total sh** show all around.
Received wisdom in Hollywood: Don't let directory act and don't let actors direct. Sure, there are exceptions, but most people aren't Alfred Hitchcock or Quentin Taratino or Clint Eastwood.
Margot is full of herself. She's useless besides looking pretty for camera.
Plz link any video with more info.
I guess Jared Leto dodged a bullet on this one.
but for all the wrong reasons.
people hated his joker so they didn't want him back in the production
@@basteagui Oh, totally. Still, I can't help but imagining him getting a couple of chuckles out of this situation...
glad he dodges this mess he such an amazing actor these fucker don't deserve him
Its almost like villianizing 51% of your paying audience is a stupid idea, go figure!
Well they're NOT getting their money but that's okay they didn't want it anyway! 😄😄😄
they didnt tho.....?
So you can't watch anything that has a man as a villain?
How does it vilify men? I saw the movie, and you'd have to be a real thinned skinned pussy to be offended by it. Imagine if John Wick was a female character, you people would be saying his movies are angry, feminist, man-killing revenge fantasies. Give it a rest.
I don't think the movie vilifies men, the actual marketing did and that's what hurt it the most
I can just imagine the writer's room when they added the sandwich as a running gag.
"You see, it's an inversion of the old sexist trope of a woman making a sandwich for a man. Harley is instead going out into the world to get her own sandwich, as a form of female empowerment." "Yasssssss queen."
A sandwich as a running gag? That sounds like it would come out of a parody of feminist films.
😁
Ugh
It sounded to me that they were using a classic movie trope.
And I thought she bought them to bond with Cassandra while watching the pretty fine looking trailers.
The McGregor statements sealed the deal for me.
jim ray The feminist talk sealed the deal for me because I know that it was codename for misandry. A lot of modern day feminism has divulged into that and as a former feminist it sickens me. Hence, why I left. Also, McGregor was an idiot for saying that.
same. it's a bit strange that these people say those things and expect us to come to watch it knowing the other attempts beforehand did not help the movies at all. It's like they want us not to see these movies
McGregor could've just said "Women will love this movie" and could've been done with it. At least a statement like that leaves room for nuance but yeah, the verbal diarrhea just kept coming lol
It's cause he cheated on his wife. The same wife he has two daughters with.
Same. Pretty ridiculous that they let him not just say it once, but multiple times in interviews. Huge DC fan, but I will not support a film that wants to lecture the audience with political views, rather than good storytelling.
That Margot Robbie quote made me think “then why didn’t she go with Gotham City Sirens?!?!” Lol
My guess: Because then she would have to share the spot as the main star with 2 other actresses. From the trailers it doesn't look like the BoP are all that important in the movie.
GCS was the original plan,. and when she was researching it she came across the BoP. In that she saw a bunch of great female characters that aren't well known, unlike Catwoman and Ivy from GCS. So she switched over to BoP instead. So she wanted to use it as a way to introduce audiences to these new characters.
spawnfyre WB should’ve stopped her from that.
@@spawnfyre That's her lame excuse, cause if she cared about these new characters then why did they get so little screen time in the movie?
@@spawnfyre
If it had worked it would have been a good way to set up new characters. So I think it's an understandable decision.
If McGregor's words are not his own, then whoever told the philanderer to say them should be fired.
While I enjoyed Margot Robbie in Suicide Squad, that was the only enjoyment I got from the movie.
So I was already on the fence when it comes to anything that originated from Suicide Squad.
Then Ewan McGregor opened his mouth...
What did he say?
Personally I found her the most cringy part of an already bad movie. When Obi-Wan started spewing woke i was actually happy, that meant at least 2 weeks of youtube videos talking about how another femnazi movie is not bringing audience.
@@thecluckingassassin The usual "feel bad because you have a penis" spiel
Well, as a man, I would like to tell the studio and cast one thing:
My wallet, my choice.
So is Obi-Wan's biggest failure Vader or poisoning audiences against the movie?
Actually, he saved us! He told us to stay away with Force code language. He has regained the high ground... lol
Obi-Wan-na keep my job, so I will spew stuff regardless of how stupid it makes my character look.
Look at black mask, he turned into a women hating clown that barely wears his mask for more than minute for the final short.
That is how comedical the idealized fantasy of feminazis are.
This piece of shit didn't even need his help in convincing people not to see it.
🤣
A guy that tossed aside his wife and daughters like trash is the last person to lecture us on misogyny.
Andre, I would like to share your optimism that Hollywierd is beginning to get the message on "Woke Culture" but after what I again heard coming out of the Oscars....Im having a hard time sharing your optimism.
Actors are not the decision-makers. What gets made is determined by the people whose money is on the line. Get enough of them missing out on $100M+ each that they will change their tune real quick.
dMb You’ve hit the nail on the head!
@dMb still the "Actors" and "Directors " tend to be the mouth pieces of the culture itself. I would love to share the optimism but again..they continue slinging the BS...I'm prone not to believe it. If I start hearing more people like Ricky Gervais flapping their Gums in Hollyweird, then I would tend to be more hopeful. Sorry they seem to be willing to keep losing money hand over fist and yet they don't stop! In a sane world I would agree with you but at this point I truly question the sanity of those in Hollyweird!
Haven't seen the film, don't intend to. The only thing that bugs me is the hyena on a leash. Hyena packs are led by dominant females. Not sure what they're getting at having a human female keeping one as a domesticated pet on a leash. From what I understand hers is male. If they're trying to do a tamed viscious male metaphor a hyena is a stupid choice. So much for animal activist Hollywood knowing what they're doing.
@skylx08 No Hyenas were harmed in the making of this comment.
They used the wrong characters to group up with Harley Quinn.
In the comics Poison Ivy and Catwoman are her closest friends.
Poison Ivy even became her lover in the comics, I think.
They could have established the 3 (Harley, Poison Ivy, Cat Woman) as a satire of modern intersectional feminists [PI as Greta Thurnberg, HQ as a nihilistic tumblerina, and CW as some kind of "eat the rich" champagne socialist] in one movie, then show how their antics make society worse for everyone, incuding women, through a conflict with the Birds of Prey in a sequel.
Yes, but Poison Ivy is a redhead, and Hollywood is anti-Ginger. Look at the redheads that were deliberately race swapped. Trish Merigold, Wally West and his aunt Iris West are three examples.
@@CowMaster9001 This is the movie I want to see :D
I believe there was going to be a Gotham City Sirens Movie at one point but they scraped it in favor of this movie.
be glad they didn't ruin those characters too
If they wanted to make a great Harley Quinn movie whilst simultaneously striking a blow at "da patriarchy" then they should have focused on Harley's escape (not break up) from The Joker. Her's is a classic case of a woman in love with an abusive man who'd just as soon kill her as kiss her depending on his mood. THAT should have been the story; Harley moving towards gaining her freedom, going through all the emotions that such a feat would entail, rationalizing his wickedness as all abuse victims do before finally seeing the light, seeing through his mind games and fighting through the withdrawal and learning to be her own person again. THAT would have been the ultimate emancipation of one Harley Quinn, not the trash fire they gave us.
Why does she need to be emancipated? Like at all. They separated her and Joker in the comics and its not good. Why did they think this would be any different?
Bingo! The problem with DC movies is not that they lack of good source material, it is that they don't have a master plan and a long term storytelling in mind. DC could have been restarted at Wonder Woman an Aquaman, get a new Superman, and more important to this case, a new Batman, present the new Joker and Harley, and how he abuse her and how she rationalized it, make a suicide squad movie we other villians that we already saw in other movies, and then we can have her escape from Joker and becoming a not-so-evil villian/anti hero that we would be rotting for.
Wolf Lord Bradley idk man..Harley has been doing well in the comics for years and she’s been separated from the joker for about 10 years now
Seth Hultkrantz No? Her comics have statistically been proven to sale really well. Year of the villain Harley sold 74K, Harleen selling 60K, Harley Quinn selling 30k, and Harley and Ivy selling 20K in December 2019 alone. The top comic of December 2019(Doomsday Clock)sold around 120k for comparison. Together that all translates to 184k of Harley sales
We can also go back in time to Nov 2013 where Harley Quinn #0 sold almost 120k alone or 2016 where Rebirth Harley sold well over 300k
@@kory7698 so your rationale that she sells well is lumping the sales of 5 different comics and comparing it to sales of 1 other comic? By the metrics you give, Harley Quinn comics have been on a downward slide as the numbers are one quarter of what you say they were three years ago. I admit I don`t know comic business very well, but you seem to be cherry picking the first released book in a new series. The first book always has inflated sales compared to any other release in the series. It's a well known marketing ploy to maximize the number of series revamped or created to take advantage of just this effect. If you have a better arguement for why Harley Quinn is successful, please present it as currently your stats seem to indicate the opposite
Just look at all of the promo material - a dull mess of tedium. Harley aside, the characters just look drab and bland.
This movie is just not for men. Nothing about this movie is for men.
Margot Robbie didn't want herself to be outshined by her co-stars. This is why actors should not be in-charge of franchise movies. She basically sabotaged the movie (and possibly DCEU)/
Gretel and Hansel and Black Christmas were also feminist films that bombed, don't forget them.
they didn't bomb though. Both movies made 3 times its budget.
@@jong9379 Good point, but it's worth noting both reportedly cost $5 mill each (minus marketing budget) and barely made $15 mill and $18 mill WORLDWIDE. After marketing costs I don't imagine much profit was made.
Forgettable movies were forgotten. Go figure. \o/
Sickens me that the name of of one of the best horror films of all time is now associated with that drivel.
Let identity politics movies die, outside of appropriate historical ones.
Why do I see a vivid image of Jared Leto's JOKER dancing down a flight of stairs?
Just imagined if Sonic makes more money.
Which is most likely gonna happen, that's gonna be a kick in the balls for DC & Warner Bros. in general ☠️
Noah Whatley Plus, even if the Sonic is likely not going to be good, I’m generally hoping it does well due to the filmmakers accepting fan criticism and redesigning their character.
"Sonic may look terrible, but not THAT terrible."
- Everyone that skipped Birds of Prey
It will. I'll help.
It will.
Remember when they were making Alien?
And how they decided to change Ripley from a male character to a female character?
Remember all the men and MSM complaining about this gender swap?!
Yeah, me neither.
Alien wasn't established IP so I am not sure of your point. Alien is a classic Final Girl movie so I don't know who would be complaining. Ripley and Sarah Connor are how character arcs should be developed. Sometimes a swap out of existing IP can make sense. I think Nick Fury was a very successful swap.
OK then.
Remember when they remade Battlestar Galactica
Remember all the male fans were angry that they made Starbuck a female character instead of following the classic male role played by Dirk Benedict
Remember that the writers actually wrote the character well and didnt shove their agendas into fans throats
Remember fans then liked this new female Starbuck.
Ellen Ripley is always my best example of how to do a great "Strong female character".
A strong character. Who is female.
It's not fucking hard.
@@bigo93 Hell, no one even cares that Dr Watson in Elementary is a Chinese woman. And why people don't care? Because:
A) It's not made a big deal of, and
B) They're not trying to convince us she used to be Edward Hardwicke.
I remember watching terminator and wondering how this girl would be the mother to a general and then I saw her fucking destroy a terminator then I saw it
The funny observation I've made with these types of films is that despite how much they proclaim to be about dismantling sexism, racism and everything else is that they themselves are chock full of their own sexism and racism but of course, being the 'heroes' they will never admit that. We all know about the horrible 'gurl power' that they put out but there is another pattern that a lot of people are just know picking up on, specifically with how this movie made the same massive mistakes as Captain Marvel did in handling certain other heroes and characters.
These movies really are just White feminist self-insertion fantasies. Anyone who knows the Birds of Prey origin story as well as the members already know that the group was VERY diverse in the heroines that were in it but with the 'Harley Quinn' version of the team, it doesn't hide that it's Margot wanting to place herself on the top of the position as being the White savior to a bunch of 'diverse and underutilized' token (at least in the film) minority characters that SHE has to lead and that SHE has to inspire to be hero....ines.
This is exactly what happened in Captain Marvel concerning Carol's relationship with Monic Rambaeu and her mother Maria. Both Monica and Maria did not know and had no connection with Carol at all but the movie made it out that Maria was a single mother and that Frank, her husband and Monica's father, was out of the picture. This was not the case in Monica's comic origin as she was the FIRST female and first Black CAPTAIN MARVEL before Carol and became so as an adult. She had no idea who Carol was until later and both her parents, her father especially, inspired her to be a hero but this was all erased in the so-called name of girl power and to elevate Carol to a position that was only done to make her look even more like a White savior than she already was presented as.
The same has happened with Harley Quinn. She was NOT a member of Birds of Prey as Black Canary and Barbara Gorden were the first and original two members before many other female characters got in. In terms of an anti-hero being in the team CATWOMAN was in. A speaking of Black Canary, her (half) race-swap was done as a means to pretend that they cared about Black characters when there is an actual and PROMINENT Black woman in the group and her name is VIXEN. Black Canary herself is a horrible mishmash of the two characters as her outfit is not inspired by the original or classic Black Canary look but rather a take on Vixen debute outfit sans the mask that she used to have. The Black Canary in the film is neither character but the makers assumed that because BLACK is in her name, she had to be at least HALF Black to fill up the quota and yes, it is quota filling. There is also the issue with how they treated Huntress and Casandra, with the former being especially dropped in that Cain is supposed to be a super fighter. She is the next Batgirl but you'd never know that with how she's presented as a dumpy-looking, cowering mess who once again needs White Savior Harley to save her.
The biggest irony of all of this is that the male counterparts of these films that feminist hate never go out of their way to discourage people from going, even if the main stars of them are White nor do they even come this close as flagging around so much White Saviorism as feminist movies do. Male-led action movies are what they are and they don't try to hide it which is possibly one of the advantages they have over feminist movies. They are not ashamed of being macho, they are not ashamed of being fictional, they are not ashamed of anything which is why first and foremost they always advertise the plot of the film itself and not the agenda behind it. They know they have to sell the movie on it's merits and what will interest the audience first because they know politics don't sell. Feminist movies like this sell the agenda first, most often than not because they know their movies are weak on story to begin with. They keep trying to sell to that so-called audience of gurl power ladies that never show up to these films which lead to it tanking. They sell the movie on gaslighting, antagonizing and just flat out being dismissive towards the people who will eventually pick up the tab for the projects but this seems to be the personality of the people who are making these films. Wonder Woman and Alita did not do this and while Alita is considered a cult film by this point, it is still much more liked and respected than anything you're going to get from Ghostbusters 2016, Captain Marvel, Charlies Angels and Terminator whatever.
tl;dr- there was never a goal of diversity in Hollywood. A bunch of untalented White feminists wanted to take over while shifting the blame on men and pretending to give a fuck about minorities.
I will laugh if Sonic the Hedgehog ends up making more money than Birds of Prey.
UPDATE - Dan Williams laughed...a LOT!
Great video, and I’m so happy you mentioned the Misandry (man bashing) that this film does. Too many films just say “girl power” but it’s basically women being massively mean to men and it needs to start to be called out for what it is. Misandry. It’s why this film failed. Sure women may love watching men getting beaten up, but news flash, doing it in such a mean spirited way turns men off. Shocking I know. Lol
Fun times ahead as all the woke stuff flops.
Absolutely agree. Misandry is the male analog of bigotry. Who in their right mind would openly promote bigotry?
Not all ladies like that attitude. Males have mothers. Mothers don't like their kids being shamed like that.
MFlax I know and actually I have hope that longer term this will be what kills the anti-man message. All these feminists will grow up and have sons who are then shamed and called out as evil etc.. and these mothers will then fight to get their sons cleared / be up in arms for the way they are being treated “my son isn’t like that” etc. Women will have to do this as men are now at a level that they can’t say anything without being attacked / accused of “mansplaining”. Interesting decades ahead.
@@richardmattocks I guess that many of that SJW ladies are not willing or able to get kids. Or they will get them to change their gender. Those ladies might be terrible mothers.
MFlax true.
I used to like Ewan McGregor, but being involved in this film had done him no favours.
I wasn't interested because in this film, Harley looks like a five year old who dressed herself in the dark.
Her Suicide Squad costume was unusual, but cool.
This time, they dropped the *cool* and turned the *unusual* up to eleven.
Harley's hot pants were not empowering? But I thought the SB halftime show was empowering.
I'm so confused.
They are only empowering if a woman chooses to wear them (and if she is not a victim of internalized misogyny). A sexy costume is supposedly disempowering if a woman is made to wear it by a male director (I don't know what the politics are if a female director wants a woman to wear "problematic" outfits).
I hadn't realized actors were allowed to choose their clothing when playing iconic characters in major movies but there you go. Maybe the next Batman will wear jeans and a T-shirt because that costume looks pretty uncomfortable too.
Harley is white. Not empowering.
JLo is Nuyo Rican. Empowering.
Its empowering if the ass filling the hot pants is old, fat, and men don't want to look at it, its objectification if the ass is extremely attractive and capable of holding the male gaze. Near as I can tell that is the rule of thumb Hollywood is using.
It's simple: woke activists piss double standards because their 'issues' are just personal gripes and contrived media slogans.
Crankgorilla oh fuck off
Times do indeed change fast these days, best advice for Hollywood is STOP TRYING TO BE POLITICAL!!!
I love how outlets tried to spin the movie as being amazing when everyone could smell it from home.
5:09 "Birds of Prey Wasn´t the right movie to make" the Right movie to make was either Batgirl, Gotham City Sirens or a Real Birds of Prey (Batgirl, Katana, and Black Canary)
Honestly at this point, the DC movies should just use Flashpoint to soft reset and bring everything into one canon where we can have multiple realities, like in the comics.
At one point, they were going to do that with the Flash movie. Bringing in the infinite earths concept would allow them to reboot without having to remake and start all over again, since they obviously want to keep this canon's Wonder Woman and Aquaman!
Given Amber Heard's problems, I think the WW/Mera solution may make for a great opening salvo in the movie. It is kind of like the comic plots are just there waiting to solve an actor problem (see Carol Danvers and Rogue).
And here I am still waiting on MoS2...
The fact Poison Ivy wasn't in this never made me sense to me. So I was never interested in watching it.
I think some of this comes from living in a bubble and being told how wonderful you are. One loses one's objectivity in that environment.
Ewan, Margot, i'm looking at you.
You know what would probably sell as a movie? “Get Woke, Go Broke” the movie…
rotten tomatoes is playing games. Check the score on Metacritic. 58% audience score. RT played the same game with ROS. They keep the audience score high for the first few weeks.
Reviews from Fandango (RT's owners) ticket holders only, and nothing less than 3.5 (70%) stars count. Nothing fair about this system at all. If anything, it allows positive bots to thrive.
Mister I cheated on my wife Mcgregor.
I used to think he was obi wan. Now I think he's just a hypocritical POS. Like Mark Hamill.
@EmperorJuliusCaesar For all the "respecc whamen" talk, funny how he didn't respect his wife. Hahaha
So I assume your hands are clean of any misdeeds ever committed in your life? You know what they say about casting the first stone.
Cheating on your wife, and leave her for a younger one is a total Boss-Move. 🙌
with Mary Elizabeth Winstead
that ardiance score was at 81% before the film was released to the public so it smells a bit fishy.
Bots & Shills that cannot write or think: "I love how it was in modern day time." If that describes what is worth a 5/5 in this movie, then it is clearly not for adults.
I wish people would stop checking Rotten Tomatoes for scores. It just brings in more clicks and continues the life of a website that should be dead and buried.
@@ehellstrom7127 agreed
The moment they signed Margot for producer the movie failed
Harley never was a mayor part of BOP
IF they actually wanted to make a movie about girl power (not the nonsence they show in this movie), they could of done a movie about BARBARA GORDON, THE FOUNDER OF THE BOP
She's a woman that was abused and nearly broken in body and spirit by the joker, but even crippled, she didn't back down, and instead used her technicall skills to support other heroes and heroines
Have a movie about her hunting down the joker, and comfronting him, but rather than killing or torturing him like he did to her, she shows she's better than him by just turning him in, and not taking revenge
Then the Batgirl movie they have planned can serve as a prequel to BOP, haver her be a batman fangirl, who tried to imitate him, but went over her head, and ended up against something too large to go after on herself
Yes 👏👏
Why aren't you working at DC 🤯🤯 that sounds like a great movie 💯
Sadly, not gonna happen. If a superheroine isn’t kicking ass, shows any weakness or doesn't usurps a male hero’s name (Batwoman series) rather than admire them, it’s not empowering enough.
Subtlety isn’t something these movies understand.
Never make an activist actress a producer. It's the kiss of death.
I was wondering about that, from what I understand Birds of Prey is a bunch of superheroines, I believe it has Black Canary and Huntress, so what the hell is Harley Quinn doing there? Why does DC keep making these half-attempts at superhero movies, do they want to make these movies or not?
The failure is laughable here. The studio should have done their homework to make sure their product had an audience large enough to cover the cost of their investment...
No one wanted a feminist Harley Quinn.
Also the casting of Black Canary and huntress was blasphemy.
in the comics and cartoon Harley is dressed like pantomime style, in this move she dress like a man hating feminist
and cassandra too
r/inceltears
@Matthew Donaca SHE'S 13.
@Matthew Donaca SHE IS A LITERAL 13 YEAR OLD.
Minor point, she by all accounts was officially fine with hot pants
She accepted them but also made it clear she didn't like them.
From a 2016 NYT interview:
“"As Margot, no, I don’t like wearing that. I’m eating burgers at lunchtime, and then you go do a scene where you’re hosed down and soaking wet in a white T-shirt, it’s so clingy and you’re self-conscious about it.'
..."Should there be a “Suicide Squad” sequel, she said, half-jokingly and half not, 'I’m not wearing hot pants next time.”'
www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/movies/margot-robbie-suicide-squad-the-legend-of-tarzan-interview.html?_r=1
@HaremGodRance I was responding to the statement that said she was "officially fine" with the costume. I linked to an interview where she said she went along with the outfit, and the Wolf nude scene, because she felt she had to. At that point in her career, she was probably correct.
Since then, she has exploded in popularity AND proven she is a very talented actress besides being strikingly beautiful, and now she has the clout to refuse showing skin and is flexing that power.
I HATE the new Harley outfit and agree they could have found a costume less revealing AND more iconic and it would have been win/win.
@@BrianMillsMFA
I disagree with "strikingly beautiful". I find her face very unattractive.
Lensman let’s see your face
@@Lensman864 For me she's someone who's always looked 30 no offense to the actress but she's aging like milk. Maybe that's why they want to rush all the Harley Quinn movies.
Once I get even a whiff of wokeness from a movie I lose all interest
What's it smell like? Rotten fish & diarrhea that's what.
"Heads, Spikes, Walls" should be the punishment for those woke artist.
We need to keep getting woke movies more and more until stake holders realize what is being done, until the US film awards fall in disgrace, and good movies, art pieces, get finally done. Let them continue full throttle to their demise.
@bigevilworldwide1 Funny how people rave about this call people names all the time. Also you are angry people call "woke movies" who market themself woke "woke". I haven't seen anyone tag movies like judy or marriage story as "woke movies". I think people are just tired about movies that have potential to be good be ruined by agenda and "box checking".
She hated the hotpants? Well I'm sorry, your looks are your selling points Margie girl. But don't worry, you avoided all that male gazy money.
Harley looks tacky for some reason. I remember liking her design in suicide squad, somehow she looks trampy and caked on now. Not sure what it is.
Probably because she traded her "sexy in a demented way" outfit for a bunch clothes that look like they came from the section of a thrift store even the homeless won't touch.
I also liked her Suicide Squad design, and Harley looks like a slutty Ronald McDonald in Turds of Prey. She should have just worn an outfit similar to her Injustice looks (leather pants and jacket, with either a shirt or a corset underneath).
Here are the reasons why she doesn't look as good as she did in SS: Her hair, her clothes and The Wall
her OG outfit is better then any of this crap
@@Jennifer-yk3wc thefanboyseo.com/2020/01/26/suicide-squad-director-david-ayer-shares-look-at-alternate-harley-quinn-costume-with-margot-robbie/ This is what they were originally going with i guess if you compare it to that the daddies little monster one doesn't look as bad. I think her the suicide squad look is going to be the best one yet.
Remember, kids. This is NOT a sexist statement: "Women are *better* than men" ~Obama
This IS a sexist statement: "male programmers shouldn't automatically get discriminated because there's more of them. Perhaps there's just fewer women who are interested in the field" ~Damore
After the mess of suicide squad, I don’t blame people for not being hyped for
This
Everybody's way more hype for the Sonic movie
Main thing, who the hell wanted this? They should have just restart the DCEU. Henry is gone, Ben Affleck is gone, everything is in shambles.
I really wanted to see it, but after I heard Ewwwwwan talking I changed my mind to go see Sonic instead
I assure you that you will not regret it.
@@Invidente7 LOL, yes, I'm sure Sonic the Hedgehog will be the height of cinematic entertainment!
@@crazydud3380
From what I heard in reviews, the trailers have not given away critical plot points, so yeah it WILL be good!
@Seth Hultkrantz
And I'm waiiiiting!
@Seth Hultkrantz Yeah, I'll give you that. Hell, we all know Sonic media can go either way!
As a coroner, I know a corpse when I see 1. I've yet 2 see a zombie, however: a stillborn being resuscitated. "Birds of Prey" needs burying, @ the very least cremated.
Why always RT and never IMDB?? Stop showing Rotten Tomatoes.
RT is the woke movie rating site with all its selective control of its critics and accounts, so it's easier to poke at them when talking about woke movies.
Bruised Lee Translation: RT has very little credibility and is not above manipulating scores when it benefits certain films.
imdb is corporate controlled
Imbd isnt amazing either
Current MetaCritic score. Critics: 60/100; user: 5.8/10.
Andrei's videos are my favorites as far as entertainment news goes. He's so articulate and fleshes out points others don't touch on.
After Star Wars Ep9 had its audience score frozen at 86% to keep it looking popular, I dont trust anything from Rotten Tomatoes anymore. The site has no use if both scores are manipulated.
It started long ago when RT deleted any negative scores for Captain Marvel. They have since changed their system to be a little more "subtle", but not much.
>Rotten tomatos
>Legitimate
Pick one
They've already renamed the film. Watch for DC to release a PG cut of the film called 'Once Upon A Quinn'.
Harley Quinn is the most annoying character in DC and this movie is just stupid
I find the perspective that, in a way, this movie is an outdated product, to be very interesting. I hadn’t even considered that among the other reasons why it’s failing.
Midnights Edge I don't know if this is true or not but I heard this from a video a while back that inside info. The movie had a very small amount of pre production time (ala one of the reasons why the fight scenes feel poorly choreographed) and when shooting commenced, they had little to no script to work off of. Everyone was improvising. Margot and Cathy really wanted to make the Atomic Blonde/John Wick of DCEU movies but WB had no confidence in their vision, but yet gave them $90 million towards their production budget. So they threw them into the lions den to see what they could cook up and the initial cut was not very good. So they called the John Wick guy for reshoots. I would put blame on WB for giving them very little time to work on BOP but I would criticize Robbie and Yates for the final results as well.
You wanted a John Wick style character - maybe you should have gone with Talia Al Ghul instead.
@@exhaustguy just huntress. and the casting wasn't bad. that girl who plays huntress is really hot. but they made them look like crap for this movie.
Things this movie should have done:
- Rebrand Leto's Joker as Jason Todd/Tim Drake (or a combination of both) with the aim of him eventually becoming Red Hood.
- Being a fun Harley movie with special appearance from BOP.
- Dealing with the Harley/Joker dynamic and ending with Harley dumping him by the end.
- This would setup the Silence of the Lambs style Joker/Harley movie prequel or a sequel with Phoenix taking his place as the real Joker.
Things it did:
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Things it shouldn't have done:
- Going the misandrist route and making the movie as unappealing to men as possible.
Like I said during the premiere, this movie is a katamari of missed opportunities.
They suscessfully averted the male gaze, AND their MALE wallets as well!
Great idea!
That would have required actual talent on board to write and direct the film which they severley lacked
Well when you crumple into a ball at the site of a woman killing a man its not exactly hard to make it unappealing to you.
@@dirinc3478 Oh please, go back to your safe space. No one is 'terrified' of seeing a woman kick ass in a movie, Kill Bill, Alien, T2, Wonder Woman, so many successful movies loved by men and women. People are just sick of calling every man misoginistic and riding that wave of misandry that's all been too commenplace nowdays. No one is cowaring in a coner, sorry to burst your soy bubble
It wasn't made for me so....
Great reporting as always everybody. Love this channel so much.
When I saw the adds for this I thought oh god its a SJW version of a bad suicide squad. I have no idea if any of that is accurate that's just what I thought when I saw it
The ads are pretty misleading. It's just a crazy action movie. It's got comedy in it too, but it doesn't always work.
Harley Quinn’s character in Suicide Squad is the reason I didn’t go see Birds of Prey. They’ve made the Quinn character as dangerous or more dangerous than The Joker and put way too much focus on her.
The trailer looks so cheesy. . I even said it when I first saw it this movie is going to bomb.
Me too. I never go to the movies but saw the trailers when I went to see Joker a couple times. It had utter trash written all over it. Joker? THAT'S cinema.
The movie didn't become Birds is Prey till the last 20 minutes of the movie. It wasn't a Harley Quinn only movie and it wasn't a Birds of prey movie till the end.
I'm curious to know if you've ever heard Joaquin's name before? Even before the Joker movie came out, you could not escape someone talking about him. I probably heard his name five to ten times a week. It's "Wah-keen."
This channel and Rd Letter Media are the finest channels for actually good reviews and takes on movies.
"Harley loves interacting with other people."
Did she mean the motorcycle brand?
People are even falling for the 80% rating, when the true score for the film is about 6.7 from reviewers and 6.2 from top critics(check more info under the 80%). Mid 6's is barely above average if we're being honest. The ratings are not as high as some people think.
Shazam! certainly wasn't a disappointment, it made over 3.5x it's budget back; even adding marketing, that's a solid hit, man. Great videos tho! Just fact check stuff like that, please.
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It was a giant disappointment that barely made its budget back
Dillon Glazer how is making 360+ Million on a 90 Million Dollar budget "barely making its money back"? How is fantastic reviews a giant disappointment?
@@thareelhelloagain Rule of thumb is that a movie has to make 3 times its production budget to break even..As I said it barely made its budget back,huge gigantic disappointment.
Dillon Glazer the rule of thumb is twice it's budget, not 3 times. Look it up, my friend.
@@thareelhelloagain No it's not ....Shazam is a huge ass financial disappointment.Go read Forbes and deadline who knows better than you.They don't make movies to just break even.
It's so sad that Mcgreggor decided to give up his Man card.
"Remember Birds of Prey" is the new "Remember the Maine."
The problem is that the people who make these movies are living in an echo chamber and throw a fit when reality doesn't align with their expectations.
That anybody still considers Rottentomatoes as an indicator of success baffles me
Rotten tomatoes no longer matters. It has been shown many times that they manipulate scores, like for the Fall of Skywalker.
They should have focused on team dynamics and kept Harley as their Joker.
I don’t want neither feminism nor machism, just a story that doesn’t care about that whatsoever.
B.O.P fans are trying to ruined Sonic the hedgehog 2020 because their movie flopped.
They will fail, no sane person goes near twitter nowadays.
@@Invidente7you're right at least Paramount picture actually listen to the fans unlike Warner Bros shit on their fans.
They are claiming that Sonic has homophobic scenes and it was "disturbing" yet they admit to breaking the law by sneaking into BOP and enjoying it (A rated R film!!) Sonic isn't even rated R...
@@Invidente7 you mean I'm same? Hoorah. I was starting to doubt myself. :P Twitter sucks.
Phantom Stephens9029 But they aren’t because there aren’t any 🤣🤣
Some people are starting to listen in Hollywood, but the rest and plugging their ears and going "LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!"
I agree all these movies with agendas are going to start going down the tubes I won’t see him I haven’t seen Captain Marvel this movie or anything else that looks like man bashing I’ll keep my money thank you very much
I think that the issue is this: DC fans want dark, gritty, psychological movies. You can confirm this by the fact that C. Bale's Batman was very well received, as was J. Pheonix's Joker. Both movies were darker and more psychological.
If you look at Suicide squad, or Harley Quinn, the bright, humorous approach did not draw in the crowds. People turn to Marvel for the funny, bright stuff and expect something different from DC, who seem to only want to 'steal' Marvel's formula to make cash. Which is the wrong approach.
Instead of making their own mark on the world.
I hope to see that change in time, and DC making their own, unique movies. But for the time being... well...
can already tell, men will be blamed and shamed publicly, behind close doors they'll blame it on the main lead Margot Robbie, in truth it'll mostly be Warner ineptitude, the femenazi director,
and Ewan McDickbag
These studios live in a bubble. They strongly believe that EVERYONE thinks like them. And if something flops instead of looking within they have to blame someone else.
This movie makes me feel unwelcomed. But I also have a problem: this movie is just unnecessary. Maybe it's good but I feel like the story is so simplistic and uninteresting that I don't feel any attraction to it.
This story has been done before again and again.
And why do I need to see a movie when it doesn't want to appease me or my interest. It's a movie for women and feminists... no men needed... except it can't make enough money. So you get what you sow.
Nice video. Came here after I heard your name on doomcocks video and heard your name given credit
I enjoyed SHAZAM... but it should have been called CAPTAIN MARVEL because THAT'S HIS NAME! #1939
Too bad Marvel snatched up the copyright to that name back in the 60s.
Hence #1939. What a shame!
This is an excellent analysis. These types of videos you do always offer more info and complexity. 👍🏼👍🏼
I've literally never heard of Jonah Hex...
Neirter had I until the comparisons came out. Apparently it came out _before_ Green Lantern and despite costing "only" 47 mil, it only made 7 mil.
And Josh Brolin starred in it, he almost refused the roles of Thanos and Cable after this one bombed.
Jonah Hex had potential and they turned out a pile of poop. Take a nothing story, turn it into 2 stars 2.5 stars, OK, it is what it is. Take a story with potential and turn it into crap. That's unforgivable. They don't even have cult followings.
Why didn't I see this film?
1. I hated Suicide Squad
2. I have no idea who the Birds of Prey are and the trailers didn't tell me
3. The anti-male marketing propaganda
The Rotten Tomatoes score is meaningless. The advertising budget wasnt mentioned. Get woke, Go broke.
Ewan McGregor was in the movie? I've spent the past week wondering why the hell he was commenting on the damn thing at all.
I think Hollywood has already noticed that going woke doesn't pay off... because _Ghostbusters Afterlife_ is coming in six months, and director Jason Reitman promised us no agenda nor slant _except_ to please _fans._ Whether the film is successful in its own way or not, if the initial trailer in December is anything to go by, it looks like he is keeping his word at the very least.
Additionally, notice that #TheFandomMenace has received much credit and vindication due to the massive amount of leakage coming out of these studios long before these movies release. So, let me put it this way: if _Ghostbusters Afterlife_ was working _badly_ right now behind-the-scenes, don't you think we would have started getting _negative-sounding_ leaks by now...? Studios that perform their jobs well and produce quality content _don't leak._ And considering this is *Ghostbusters* we are talking about here, if _anyone_ behind the camera was upset about shenanigans, oh yes we would have heard _something_ by now.
Maybe they watched Cobra Kai. There are correct ways to bring back franchises. Continuing the story of beloved characters is one of them. They can grow but still be true to the source material. What GB2016 did to the actors from the original movie was an abomination (also not continuing the original story).
@@exhaustguy
Yeah, well, Disney HAD that chance up until Carrie Fisher died, and even then they could have let Leia die whe-- You know what I mean.
@@EVAUnit4AYes it would have been such an easy course correction. The fact they didn't do it speaks volumes as to who is running the franchise. When Leia hugged Rey instead of Chewie, we knew it was over.
Fantastic video as always!