Pete, this is why I love and support your channel. I know of no other channel that puts in this level of work in the best interest of paint gun consumers. Great video and info! Keep them coming.... can't wait to see the Porphis vs. FLG5.
Hi Boss, and thank you 😊 As you know, I like going into what the physical differences are between these guns as well as performance, part of my engineering background, I guess 😅 It's the sort of thing I would want to know before buying something, so I'm always looking at it from the guy or girl buying these things point of view, certainly with the R500 and YT160 the manufacturers figures given are way out, essentially they have the same air consumption although the claim is one uses 3 time more than the other. Appreciate it as always, buddy 🙏
Very informative video. The price difference between the Iwata and the likes of the R500 is massive though. I got an R500 recently as a primer gun and I'm knocked out by it. At the price point the results are amazing and it's far better than my previous LVLP gun at transferring material effectively.
Hi Angus, Yes, I agree there is now a huge price difference between the Iwata and the rest. I was trying to illustrate a few things. First was the air consumption that varies widely in the promotional literature, is, in fact, all wrong, they, as you can see, all consumption more or less the same. The second point was trying to show that if you are prepared to buy a quality gun, you can in fact us less air than these so called LVLP guns, the fact that they need 2.5 bar to operate at the same level that the Kiwami4 does, people are guided towards these by claims of low air consumption which to a degree is correct but you can get better results with lower air consumption from a mainstream gun. Glad you enjoyed the video, I actually rate the R500 higher for HB primer in 1.8 than the Kiwami4 BA4J, its base and clear in the 1.4 and 1.3 range that the Kiwami4 BA4J in superior, cheers mate, appreciate the comments 👍
THANKS PETE,I GOT IT NOW,I WAS JUST HOPING THAT THIS GUN WAS SO MUCH BETTER,FROM WHAT THEY ADVERTISED, ADVERTISEMENT IS NOT ALWAYS TRUTHFUL,BUT THANKS TO YOUR REVIEWS,WE GET THE REAL DEAL❤❤❤
You're welcome, Lesli, there is a lot of false claims about these and their air consumption. Hopefully, this video will give people an idea of what to expect, cheers, mate 👍
Sir, your videos are the most informative, helpful, on youtube - the best information for a DIY'er, hobbyst - so much detail - most of us have small compressors and we need to find the right gun to match the compressor - thank you from the Philippines*
Great video Pete with lots of good and reliable info, I got my Rongpeng R500 from ali along with all the available tip sets after seeing a few good reviews on it and while it sprays WoW primer and basecoat really well I was disappointed with the clearcoat results as it was quite peeley but didn't know at the time that it needed more air pressure, I keep meaning to try it at 2.5bar which I will do at some point👍 As for the air consumption the stated figures are way out as like you I could tell by the sound of it and how soon the compressor cut in that it's far higher than the 4CFM that was in the listing for the gun, it's similar to my GTI ProLite🙄🤭 Thanks Pete👍
Hi John, Yes, very odd. These 3 Chinese guns are all the same in air consumption, but the figures given are between 4 & 12 cfm! The reality is they are in the middle 🤣. Give yours a try at 2.5 to 2.7 bar for clear, and the results aren't too bad considering the guns cost 40GBP all in. Thanks, mate. I appreciate it as always 👍 PS, can you send me another Fuji as I managed to flog yours pretty easily 🤣😅😉
Yeah I don't know why they don't get their figures correct as all they are doing is making a bad name for themselves where people buy these guns expecting them to work on small compressors but they don't, they probably give them a bad review then send them back🤦♂🙄 I'll try mine again mate at a higher pressure, I hope it is better as it's not a bad gun otherwise👍 Hope you got a good price for my MP-V8 Pete, I'm sure it's worth about £10, I'll get the other one packed up then send it out to you mate...... NOT!!! 🖕🖕😝🤣 Cheers Pete👍
Really good test Pete. I have the R500 and the A610. The R500 sprays pretty good if you crank up the pressure. I dont care for the A610. The best gun I have is my Bellaria. Sprays metallics with ease at around 1.5 bar and my MS clear a little higher at 1.7-1.8 bar so I reckon it probably uses less air than the R500's. Its my go to gun these days because its so easy to get good results and I like that it has no seals to wear out. I also like my FLG5. I really love my NTools 4000B. Its sprays beautiful and has a nice pattern but it likes the air and my current air supply cant keep up. I woud love to see you revisit it and maybe compare it to others spraying on fenders. Cheers
Hi Mate, you have reinforced what I was trying to get over about these gun, they do offer excellent value for money but aren't particularly LV, which is what they are sold as. Because you need to use these around 2.5 bar so 26psi to get a reasonable finish, it's using more air than a Bellaria or Kiwami4, so it is less suitable for smaller compressors. I haven't used the Ntools 4000B much in comparisons of the more affordable guns, that simply because it does use more air, around 12 cfm at 29psi, so I'm trying to compare similar if that makes sense but rest assured, it will be out in future videos. Cheers buddy, hope alls well 👍
Hi Pete, thanks again for another video😊, I am trying to compare and decide between ani r160 compact and infocraft druzzle d1(which is the same line of r500 and a610), and I am looking for feedback for both guns. Since you have been using both guns, which one you like better per your test (pattern and air consumption, build quality)? Thank you Pete!
Hi Mate, it's quite difficult to compare the two really, the ANI is still only a mini gun, a very capable mini gun, yes, but not a full-size gun. It really does depend on what you want to do. Let me know, and I'll try and help
Well both would work fine, the ANI uses around 6.5 cfm for clear coat and the R500 type guns use around 8.5 to 9 cfm, of the two I would go with the ANI, simply because it's a proper gun and you can get a spare parts kit for it, it's more expensive though
These days, they are about the same, worth keeping in mind. These tend to like a bit more pressure to get a good clear coat finish. Obviously, with that come more overspray
HI PETE ,I ENJOYED THE VIDEO,BUT A BIT CONFUSED,BECAUSE, ALIEXPRESS SAYING 360L/MINUTE, ON THE AEROPRO SITE SAYS 110L/MINUTE, SO IT NO WHERE CLOSE TO 360L?
Hi Mate, their figures are all over the place , in reality all three of these Chinese guns are the same, which is around 7.5cfm at 29psi so 215ltpm at 2bar, however, to get good results you need to use these, for clear coat around 2.5 bar so they will use around 270ltpm, those are my guess as I have no way of measuring it but having used lot of different guns it's a pretty good guess, hope that helps 👍
Can you tell us what is the best choice for a small compressor? I bought a610 and it uses way too much air for the compressor I have. When I try to spray I lose pressure
Hi mate, are you losing pressure at the gun ? , it could be that you need a diaphragm regulator, depending on your setup, this may help, the second half, ruclips.net/video/m2-zPsv7oG0/видео.htmlsi=ONuPDdG_S01-OnYV
Hi Mate, this one, 👍 www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123429797496?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ECrBiOqaRCW&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=v5EZyL9iR9-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Hi mate, that doesn't surprise me, so they are effectively exactly the same guns apart from the colour 👍 I actually prefer the A610 original version for some clear coats. The smaller wetter patern speeds it up nicely, not so forgiving for newer painters, though, and it does depend on the clear coat. Thanks, buddy 👍
@@dropbear9526 after I saw @paintsociety A610 review video I noticed the cap was different from the older one. I bought a A610 after that and it was exactly the same as the video(yt-160 style air cap) . I dont know which one is better though 💁
Hi Mate, Yes, it's this one here, they are pretty generic really, lots of different colours and names but they are mostly the same. I normally have 2 of these linked together but in this I am only using 1, cheers 👍 www.sgs-engineering.com/sc90b-90-litre-air-compressor-14cfm
Hello mate, r500 is rated as a 2.8-4cfm lvlp, your compressor, i believe is a hvlp minimum (7-12cfm), i asked because i am in a hunt for a compressor, and a 90l for 25s, i can estimate how long a 50-60l can last. They say the size of a hose can alter you psi.... But that is another story..... Thanks Mate!
I'm a hobbyist, and your compressor is like for a pro level, initially i was looking at a 24l 2hp 7cfm (for a beginner), but then it will only take +- 7s (might take longer when compressor is running :) ) So the hunt is for a 50-60l.... For motorcycle fairings
Hi Buddy, The R500 is nothing like 2.8 to 4 cfm, I know the specs say that but it's not true, that was the reason for making this video. At 29psi so 2 bar, I estimate the R500 uses around 6.5 to 7 cfm, at 2.5 bar, where it needs to be for clear coat for a good finish, it's more like 8 to 8.5 cfm.
The tank size is just a reserve. The output CFM is more important . Definitely look for a 50L tank and something around 9 to 10 cfm to use these guns. They really do use much more air than is quoted 👍
Hi mate, I've found the YT160 and 610 caps will interchange, but I couldn't quite get them to secure properly on the R500, although some say they will. I hope that helps 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 Yeah, I did know they're all pretty much the same gun. Actually, prior to you making a video comparing the R-500 with the A-610, I thought other than appearance, they were Identical. I have an A-610, I'm pretty happy with it so far, considering the price. Trigger Man made a video saying they are a much better gun it you use the Eastwood R-500 cap.
@dropbear9526 I thought the same before I got one as people had told me they were, seems like they are all the same now as people seem to like a bigger pattern, I prefer the original A610 to the R500 for clearcoat, the original A610 had it's pattern styled on the Wider4 pattern which is completely different to the Kiwami4, simply by changing the cap
![Aeropro R500 v A610 LVLP Spray Guns, Great Value Chinese Spray Guns [Rongpeng]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/m-LthIGaX-w/mqdefault.jpg)
Pete, this is why I love and support your channel. I know of no other channel that puts in this level of work in the best interest of paint gun consumers. Great video and info! Keep them coming.... can't wait to see the Porphis vs. FLG5.
Hi Boss, and thank you 😊
As you know, I like going into what the physical differences are between these guns as well as performance, part of my engineering background, I guess 😅
It's the sort of thing I would want to know before buying something, so I'm always looking at it from the guy or girl buying these things point of view, certainly with the R500 and YT160 the manufacturers figures given are way out, essentially they have the same air consumption although the claim is one uses 3 time more than the other.
Appreciate it as always, buddy 🙏
Very informative video. The price difference between the Iwata and the likes of the R500 is massive though. I got an R500 recently as a primer gun and I'm knocked out by it. At the price point the results are amazing and it's far better than my previous LVLP gun at transferring material effectively.
Hi Angus, Yes, I agree there is now a huge price difference between the Iwata and the rest.
I was trying to illustrate a few things. First was the air consumption that varies widely in the promotional literature, is, in fact, all wrong, they, as you can see, all consumption more or less the same.
The second point was trying to show that if you are prepared to buy a quality gun, you can in fact us less air than these so called LVLP guns, the fact that they need 2.5 bar to operate at the same level that the Kiwami4 does, people are guided towards these by claims of low air consumption which to a degree is correct but you can get better results with lower air consumption from a mainstream gun.
Glad you enjoyed the video, I actually rate the R500 higher for HB primer in 1.8 than the Kiwami4 BA4J, its base and clear in the 1.4 and 1.3 range that the Kiwami4 BA4J in superior, cheers mate, appreciate the comments 👍
THANKS PETE,I GOT IT NOW,I WAS JUST HOPING THAT THIS GUN WAS SO MUCH BETTER,FROM WHAT THEY ADVERTISED, ADVERTISEMENT IS NOT ALWAYS TRUTHFUL,BUT THANKS TO YOUR REVIEWS,WE GET THE REAL DEAL❤❤❤
You're welcome, Lesli, there is a lot of false claims about these and their air consumption. Hopefully, this video will give people an idea of what to expect, cheers, mate 👍
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP PETE,YOUR GREAT
@lesliwells5433 Yeah, I know 🤣😅👍 , you're most welcome, buddy 👍
Sir, your videos are the most informative, helpful, on youtube - the best information for a DIY'er, hobbyst - so much detail - most of us have small compressors and we need to find the right gun to match the compressor - thank you from the Philippines*
Hi Buddy, Thank you 😊, It's good to hear you enjoy the videos, cheers 👍
Great video Pete with lots of good and reliable info, I got my Rongpeng R500 from ali along with all the available tip sets after seeing a few good reviews on it and while it sprays WoW primer and basecoat really well I was disappointed with the clearcoat results as it was quite peeley but didn't know at the time that it needed more air pressure, I keep meaning to try it at 2.5bar which I will do at some point👍
As for the air consumption the stated figures are way out as like you I could tell by the sound of it and how soon the compressor cut in that it's far higher than the 4CFM that was in the listing for the gun, it's similar to my GTI ProLite🙄🤭
Thanks Pete👍
Hi John, Yes, very odd. These 3 Chinese guns are all the same in air consumption, but the figures given are between 4 & 12 cfm! The reality is they are in the middle 🤣.
Give yours a try at 2.5 to 2.7 bar for clear, and the results aren't too bad considering the guns cost 40GBP all in.
Thanks, mate. I appreciate it as always 👍
PS, can you send me another Fuji as I managed to flog yours pretty easily 🤣😅😉
Yeah I don't know why they don't get their figures correct as all they are doing is making a bad name for themselves where people buy these guns expecting them to work on small compressors but they don't, they probably give them a bad review then send them back🤦♂🙄
I'll try mine again mate at a higher pressure, I hope it is better as it's not a bad gun otherwise👍
Hope you got a good price for my MP-V8 Pete, I'm sure it's worth about £10, I'll get the other one packed up then send it out to you mate...... NOT!!! 🖕🖕😝🤣
Cheers Pete👍
@JohnWD40TC02 Well, you can't blame a man for trying, can you mate 😀
The R500 pattern is beautiful, very similar to billaria 👍
Hi buddy, yes, that's exactly what they styled it on 👍
It's such a good gun at the price point. Unbelievable really.
Great video again Pete. Very informative!
Hi mate, thanks for watching. It's always much appreciated 👍
Hey Pete that was a very interesting video for everyone, it helps a lot ,Thank u.
Hi Ian, thanks mate, good to hear you liked it. I appreciate the kind words, cheers, buddy 👍
Really good test Pete. I have the R500 and the A610. The R500 sprays pretty good if you crank up the pressure. I dont care for the A610. The best gun I have is my Bellaria. Sprays metallics with ease at around 1.5 bar and my MS clear a little higher at 1.7-1.8 bar so I reckon it probably uses less air than the R500's. Its my go to gun these days because its so easy to get good results and I like that it has no seals to wear out. I also like my FLG5. I really love my NTools 4000B. Its sprays beautiful and has a nice pattern but it likes the air and my current air supply cant keep up. I woud love to see you revisit it and maybe compare it to others spraying on fenders. Cheers
Hi Mate, you have reinforced what I was trying to get over about these gun, they do offer excellent value for money but aren't particularly LV, which is what they are sold as.
Because you need to use these around 2.5 bar so 26psi to get a reasonable finish, it's using more air than a Bellaria or Kiwami4, so it is less suitable for smaller compressors.
I haven't used the Ntools 4000B much in comparisons of the more affordable guns, that simply because it does use more air, around 12 cfm at 29psi, so I'm trying to compare similar if that makes sense but rest assured, it will be out in future videos.
Cheers buddy, hope alls well 👍
Hi Pete, thanks again for another video😊, I am trying to compare and decide between ani r160 compact and infocraft druzzle d1(which is the same line of r500 and a610), and I am looking for feedback for both guns. Since you have been using both guns, which one you like better per your test (pattern and air consumption, build quality)?
Thank you Pete!
Hi Mate, it's quite difficult to compare the two really, the ANI is still only a mini gun, a very capable mini gun, yes, but not a full-size gun.
It really does depend on what you want to do. Let me know, and I'll try and help
@@peteshobbies5383 thank you for your reply, I am looking to do jobs like mostly of what you are doing, sometimes a go with bigger jobs
Well both would work fine, the ANI uses around 6.5 cfm for clear coat and the R500 type guns use around 8.5 to 9 cfm, of the two I would go with the ANI, simply because it's a proper gun and you can get a spare parts kit for it, it's more expensive though
@@peteshobbies5383 thank you for your help
Thank you for your help Pete!
which one produces less overspray? r500 or a610?
These days, they are about the same, worth keeping in mind. These tend to like a bit more pressure to get a good clear coat finish. Obviously, with that come more overspray
HI PETE ,I ENJOYED THE VIDEO,BUT A BIT CONFUSED,BECAUSE, ALIEXPRESS SAYING 360L/MINUTE, ON THE AEROPRO SITE SAYS 110L/MINUTE, SO IT NO WHERE CLOSE TO 360L?
Hi Mate, their figures are all over the place , in reality all three of these Chinese guns are the same, which is around 7.5cfm at 29psi so 215ltpm at 2bar, however, to get good results you need to use these, for clear coat around 2.5 bar so they will use around 270ltpm, those are my guess as I have no way of measuring it but having used lot of different guns it's a pretty good guess, hope that helps 👍
HI MATE,IF BE POSSIBLE, DO A VIDEO PORPHIS PRD 717VS PORPHIS PRD 715,THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE 2 GUNS?❤
Hi Mate, it's already done. It's just a matter of editing voicing it up, hopefully won't be too long, cheers buddy 👍
@peteshobbies5383 YOUR THE BEST MATE
@lesliwells5433 Cheers mate 👍
have you tried the InoKraft D1 LVLP? I heard it used a lot more cfm then advertised... im not sure
No, not used it, but it looks the same, and more than likely it is, as the A610 or YT160
Can you tell us what is the best choice for a small compressor? I bought a610 and it uses way too much air for the compressor I have. When I try to spray I lose pressure
Hi mate, are you losing pressure at the gun ? , it could be that you need a diaphragm regulator, depending on your setup, this may help, the second half,
ruclips.net/video/m2-zPsv7oG0/видео.htmlsi=ONuPDdG_S01-OnYV
Which plastic cup did you use on the yt160?
Hi Mate, this one, 👍
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123429797496?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ECrBiOqaRCW&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=v5EZyL9iR9-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
The newest A610 now is coming with the same YT-160 air cap 👍
Hi mate, that doesn't surprise me, so they are effectively exactly the same guns apart from the colour 👍
I actually prefer the A610 original version for some clear coats. The smaller wetter patern speeds it up nicely, not so forgiving for newer painters, though, and it does depend on the clear coat. Thanks, buddy 👍
I just checked mine after reading your comment. I got mine about a month before the YT-160 came out, and it has the YT-160 cap.
@@dropbear9526 after I saw @paintsociety A610 review video I noticed the cap was different from the older one. I bought a A610 after that and it was exactly the same as the video(yt-160 style air cap) . I dont know which one is better though 💁
It seems the YT160, R500 and A610 are all the same now, and they don't fill them full of grease anymore, cheers guys 👍
They are effectively the same now
Can you link the compressor you used here?
Hi Mate, Yes, it's this one here, they are pretty generic really, lots of different colours and names but they are mostly the same.
I normally have 2 of these linked together but in this I am only using 1, cheers 👍
www.sgs-engineering.com/sc90b-90-litre-air-compressor-14cfm
Hello mate, r500 is rated as a 2.8-4cfm lvlp, your compressor, i believe is a hvlp minimum (7-12cfm), i asked because i am in a hunt for a compressor, and a 90l for 25s, i can estimate how long a 50-60l can last.
They say the size of a hose can alter you psi.... But that is another story.....
Thanks Mate!
I'm a hobbyist, and your compressor is like for a pro level, initially i was looking at a 24l 2hp 7cfm (for a beginner), but then it will only take +- 7s (might take longer when compressor is running :) )
So the hunt is for a 50-60l.... For motorcycle fairings
Hi Buddy, The R500 is nothing like 2.8 to 4 cfm, I know the specs say that but it's not true, that was the reason for making this video.
At 29psi so 2 bar, I estimate the R500 uses around 6.5 to 7 cfm, at 2.5 bar, where it needs to be for clear coat for a good finish, it's more like 8 to 8.5 cfm.
The tank size is just a reserve. The output CFM is more important . Definitely look for a 50L tank and something around 9 to 10 cfm to use these guns. They really do use much more air than is quoted 👍
Do you know if the caps are interchangeable?
Hi mate, I've found the YT160 and 610 caps will interchange, but I couldn't quite get them to secure properly on the R500, although some say they will. I hope that helps 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 that's perfect, thank you!
@grayman5271 You're welcome, buddy 👍
What is the R500 made of? Is it Chinese?
Hi buddy, yes, from China, made by a company called Rongpeng but sold under different names
I just received my YT 610 AND IT DOESN'T spray! In coming pressure is 30psi.Its going back. To china!
What do you mean by doesn't spray? , does it work at all?
They have a newer version now. The Inokraft D1 "Drizzle".
Hi mate, I hadn't seen that one. It's the same gun as you say. There are lots out there, all made in the same factory by Rongpeng
@@peteshobbies5383 Yeah, I did know they're all pretty much the same gun. Actually, prior to you making a video comparing the R-500 with the A-610, I thought other than appearance, they were Identical.
I have an A-610, I'm pretty happy with it so far, considering the price.
Trigger Man made a video saying they are a much better gun it you use the Eastwood R-500 cap.
@dropbear9526 I thought the same before I got one as people had told me they were, seems like they are all the same now as people seem to like a bigger pattern, I prefer the original A610 to the R500 for clearcoat, the original A610 had it's pattern styled on the Wider4 pattern which is completely different to the Kiwami4, simply by changing the cap