White's MP is my favorite service boot. It doesn't have the most detailed finishing or stitching like a Viberg 2030 or something, but it's close enough and built on the superior Barry last with great arch support. Do you really need perfect stitching on work boots that are meant to be thrashed in the woods? It might be the best service boot out there in my opinion.
I fully agree with you Joshua. White’s really nails the pattern, it a perfect blend of form and function. I find the Barrie/mp last to be way more comfortable than 2030. Who needs a high spi out sole stitch on a military service style boot anyway?! I know it’s controversial but I think it looks better than a Viberg service boot, there I said it.
You know what I did with my laces, I pulled the strands out of the 550 paracord, emptying it ya know and then when some starch wax and and iron I ironed them real flat and BAM! I got some nice flat olive laces
I actually size down a half size in all my Whites and Nicks boots. I may have been able to have gone a whole size in the MP but my 11.5D MPs measure out the same length as my Red Wing Iron Rangers and Alden boots in 11.5D.
@@trinityhandmade3864 Yeah - my first of many MPs were an 11.5 and they do seem plenty roomy in the toe box but like I said, they measured pretty much the same length as my Iron Rangers and Alden. I might have been able to go down a whole size in the MP but my left foot is a little longer than my right......I just wish makers would actually size their boots correctly and not have to do the trial and error of getting the right size. Like in the Wesco boots, they told me to go down a 1/2 size but they were too short. Had to get my normal 12 size.....Same with Truman boots.
I have a pair in black CXL with dainite sole. I liked them so much I bought another pair in British tan with half soles without the cap toe. I have quite a few boots but for me and my foot the MP are the most comfortable boots I own. My size on a Brannock is 13.5 D and I wear a 13 D in just about everything.
Man I love these things! Waiting on a pair I ordered from Baker's to get in. Unfortunately for a few years now I've been sizing incorrectly so I need to unload a ton of boots, but I'm starting my collection over in the correct size with these and the swashbucklers from the nicks and noblemans apothecary collab!
@@trinityhandmade3864 yes I've already received the swashbucklers and they are amazing! And my brannock is right between 10-10.5D but my right foot is wider with a higher instep than my left. So usually I would wear a 9.5D in most boots, but have realized that moving up to 10D is alot more comfortable for me. My nicks are 10D and fit great, and for the whites MPs I ordered I talked to Kyle and I think we decided on 9.5EE so when I get them in we will see how they fit! Like I said now I just have like 12 pairs of boots that are too small, so time to unload 😂
Sounds like we are about the same size, now! Too bad I’m not your old size haha. I highly recommend the Stitchdown premium discord. The marketplace is amazing and stuff sells quickly. It’s a really good community and much easier than any of the other selling platforms. If you don’t want to join I can help just shoot me an email trinityleatherco@gmail.com Kyles sizing is spot on and that sounds like exaclty what I would recommend based off your brannock and description for the MP last. You’ll love these!
That is great to hear! I'd love to join the premium discord, how do I go about that? And that's awesome, I'm definitely in the market for some new boots since moving up a size!
No it doesn’t, some people think that when an unstructured toe collapses it molds to your foot better and it’s more comfortable. Some think the leather touching your toes is uncomfortable so they opt for the Celastic toe box to keep the leather from collapsing. It’s also a very different look aesthetically
@@trinityhandmade3864 i think your boots look really beat up in a good way... i read somewhere that owner of horween suggested that we use VSC on waxed flesh leather and they themselves use it to wax them in the first place..
I really like these boots and am trying to understand how the Cinnamon Waxed Flesh patinas over time. It seems like over time, with normal wear and tear, they will lose the cinnamon color and the very light brown, natural rough out, will show through. Is that accurate? Is there any way to keep the cinnamon color, or will the boots patina to the very light brown rough out?
Hey GK! Actually if you did natural waxed flesh they will turn into a light colored rough out yes, cinnamon actually has a yellow hue to the rough out that I’m not really a huge fan of. I keep it covered up on the toe to retain the cinnamon color. It’s quite easy, there’s a few different products you can use but basically any thick liquid conditioner with wax in it will do. Venetian shoe cream works well, just apply a thick layer and let it air dry, it will re cover the rough out and you’ll retain the color. Hope that helps. Dm me on Instagram and I can show you what these look like under the wax my Instagram is @nerdin_with_boots
Yes much more than that! But nowhere near what the 55 last arch ease has to offer. Mp is the equivalent of putting an arch insole in your Allen Edmonds
I've got the MP-M1. Your sizing advice is pretty spot-on. I'm a brannock 10.5D and based on my tracings, Kyle suggested 9.5D. I opted for 9.5E to have a little more room in the toes, however, White's accidentally made them 9.5D, though I didn't realize this until a little later. Thankfully, they fit pretty well. They're very snug but not uncomfortable to walk a couple miles in. They've been breaking in well after 15 or so wears. I think 9.5E would definitely have been comfier off-the-bat, but I have a strong feeling the 9.5Ds will eventually fully break in to be a Goldilocks fit. Additionally, it's very convenient to have a wide range of sock thicknesses to compensate for these things. White's widths are in 1/8" increments, for anyone wondering.
Yes it is, the toe box on the MP is pretty flat to begin with. If you like the look of a collapsed toe I’d say go for it. Are you doing a cap toe or a plain toe?
@@trinityhandmade3864 i’m going for a plain toe and natural waxed flesh leather. If you were me will you go with celastic or without celastic toe? I just need to get this right at the 1st time because i live in south east asia that is very far away from US and the price is very expensive.
@@jaynern have you looked up photos of each? It’s more noticeable on a plain toe when it’s unstructured, I don’t find the comfort to be all that different between the two so really it comes down to personal preference. Celastic if you don’t ever want that toe to change shape, non if you want it to collapse and looks even more worn and patina.
@@trinityhandmade3864yes… i’ve seen both with celastic and without celastic on reddit and here on your channel. I preffer the look without celastic but i need a few more days to be certain. thank you because you willing to spent time to reply to my question and stay safe.
Yes I am, for the first year I was into boots I had some AE Higgins mill, OSB trench boots, and Truman Java. They all had low block heels so I got really used to that before I got anything with a taller woodsman or dogger heel. I now prefer the latter but I don’t notice anything weird switching back and forth. What about it for you is hard to get used to?
@@trinityhandmade3864 well for me it’s trying to roll to the ball and toes, it’s so stiff it’s just like a heel, to toe smack, there’s now being able to roll. Ya know.? Maybe it’s me Idk😅
What sole is on the boots you’re talking about? These flex pretty good because they are just a half sole, but on stiffer full rubber soles they won’t flex as well at the ball until they are fully broken in. Also, I fully expect Nicks to use thicker and stiffer leather mid sole and heel stack than White’s
My first pair of White's getting built now. Sherman 1/2 sole with toe cap and brown Chromexcel ordered through Baker's Boots. So stoked to be getting these boots and very optimistic from what I hear about fit, that these are extremely comfortable. Just a classic service boot.
Please consider doing on feet if you can
Will do, I definitely need to find a good and easy way to edit.
White's MP is my favorite service boot. It doesn't have the most detailed finishing or stitching like a Viberg 2030 or something, but it's close enough and built on the superior Barry last with great arch support. Do you really need perfect stitching on work boots that are meant to be thrashed in the woods? It might be the best service boot out there in my opinion.
I fully agree with you Joshua. White’s really nails the pattern, it a perfect blend of form and function. I find the Barrie/mp last to be way more comfortable than 2030. Who needs a high spi out sole stitch on a military service style boot anyway?! I know it’s controversial but I think it looks better than a Viberg service boot, there I said it.
Love the cinnamon waxed flesh, the patina potential of the leather is tremendous. Great review, cheers
Me too, waxed flesh is among my favorite leathers! Thanks for watching.
Satchel and Page makes a trucker style jacket in that style of leather. Can't wait to get it
They were out of Cinnamon Waxed Flesh when I ordered mine on Black Friday.
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You know what I did with my laces, I pulled the strands out of the 550 paracord, emptying it ya know and then when some starch wax and and iron I ironed them real flat and BAM! I got some nice flat olive laces
Oh dude that’s genius. 550 is great for a lot of things, boot laces I’m not so sure.
I actually size down a half size in all my Whites and Nicks boots. I may have been able to have gone a whole size in the MP but my 11.5D MPs measure out the same length as my Red Wing Iron Rangers and Alden boots in 11.5D.
Interesting! I’m half down on everything except MP personally which is full down. I’m sure I could still wear .5 down on mp fine. Thanks for watching!
@@trinityhandmade3864 Yeah - my first of many MPs were an 11.5 and they do seem plenty roomy in the toe box but like I said, they measured pretty much the same length as my Iron Rangers and Alden. I might have been able to go down a whole size in the MP but my left foot is a little longer than my right......I just wish makers would actually size their boots correctly and not have to do the trial and error of getting the right size. Like in the Wesco boots, they told me to go down a 1/2 size but they were too short. Had to get my normal 12 size.....Same with Truman boots.
I have a pair in black CXL with dainite sole. I liked them so much I bought another pair in British tan with half soles without the cap toe. I have quite a few boots but for me and my foot the MP are the most comfortable boots I own. My size on a Brannock is 13.5 D and I wear a 13 D in just about everything.
I bet those British tan boots are beautiful! That’s my favorite cxl
Where’d you get the laces and kilties. I’ve got a pair coming in natural cxl. Need some matching kilties.
Love your review !!
Thanks KT. After re watching it, it was more of just a 6 month update and showcase than a proper review haha. Oh well, I’m glad you still liked it!
You are on fire dude 👍🏻 review after review! Good stuff
Thanks!
Man I love these things! Waiting on a pair I ordered from Baker's to get in. Unfortunately for a few years now I've been sizing incorrectly so I need to unload a ton of boots, but I'm starting my collection over in the correct size with these and the swashbucklers from the nicks and noblemans apothecary collab!
Cool! I like those boots Angel did with Nicks they look great. What size were you and what size are you moving to?
@@trinityhandmade3864 yes I've already received the swashbucklers and they are amazing! And my brannock is right between 10-10.5D but my right foot is wider with a higher instep than my left. So usually I would wear a 9.5D in most boots, but have realized that moving up to 10D is alot more comfortable for me. My nicks are 10D and fit great, and for the whites MPs I ordered I talked to Kyle and I think we decided on 9.5EE so when I get them in we will see how they fit! Like I said now I just have like 12 pairs of boots that are too small, so time to unload 😂
Sounds like we are about the same size, now! Too bad I’m not your old size haha. I highly recommend the Stitchdown premium discord. The marketplace is amazing and stuff sells quickly. It’s a really good community and much easier than any of the other selling platforms. If you don’t want to join I can help just shoot me an email trinityleatherco@gmail.com
Kyles sizing is spot on and that sounds like exaclty what I would recommend based off your brannock and description for the MP last. You’ll love these!
That is great to hear! I'd love to join the premium discord, how do I go about that? And that's awesome, I'm definitely in the market for some new boots since moving up a size!
www.stitchdown.com/join-stitchdown-premium/
Follow the link and download the app. Go to the marketplace and buy! Haha
I never let mine age I always wax mine again but those look awesome
I do like the cinnamon with the wax on it
very nice looking boots
Thank you! I love them
@@trinityhandmade3864 No problem.
Does the celastic toe affect comfort?
No it doesn’t, some people think that when an unstructured toe collapses it molds to your foot better and it’s more comfortable. Some think the leather touching your toes is uncomfortable so they opt for the Celastic toe box to keep the leather from collapsing. It’s also a very different look aesthetically
@@trinityhandmade3864 I see. But would double celastic toe affect comfort??
No I don’t think so, I just don’t think it’s necessary unless you are using them for work and kneel on the toe a lot.
Agree, People should size down 1 full size.
rewax them with venetian shoe cream..they will look like new again trust me
I’ve done that on the toes a few times but don’t mind it wearing off everywhere else! Saphir also works it’s just more expensive haha.
@@trinityhandmade3864 i think your boots look really beat up in a good way... i read somewhere that owner of horween suggested that we use VSC on waxed flesh leather and they themselves use it to wax them in the first place..
Thank you! Yes I’ve read that as well, if you want to keep them looking fresh that’s a good way.
This is true, I've done it.
I really like these boots and am trying to understand how the Cinnamon Waxed Flesh patinas over time. It seems like over time, with normal wear and tear, they will lose the cinnamon color and the very light brown, natural rough out, will show through. Is that accurate?
Is there any way to keep the cinnamon color, or will the boots patina to the very light brown rough out?
Hey GK! Actually if you did natural waxed flesh they will turn into a light colored rough out yes, cinnamon actually has a yellow hue to the rough out that I’m not really a huge fan of. I keep it covered up on the toe to retain the cinnamon color. It’s quite easy, there’s a few different products you can use but basically any thick liquid conditioner with wax in it will do. Venetian shoe cream works well, just apply a thick layer and let it air dry, it will re cover the rough out and you’ll retain the color. Hope that helps. Dm me on Instagram and I can show you what these look like under the wax my Instagram is @nerdin_with_boots
Would you say the MP last offers more arch support than your typical dress shoe? Like say, an Allen Edmonds?
Yes much more than that! But nowhere near what the 55 last arch ease has to offer. Mp is the equivalent of putting an arch insole in your Allen Edmonds
I've got the MP-M1. Your sizing advice is pretty spot-on. I'm a brannock 10.5D and based on my tracings, Kyle suggested 9.5D. I opted for 9.5E to have a little more room in the toes, however, White's accidentally made them 9.5D, though I didn't realize this until a little later. Thankfully, they fit pretty well. They're very snug but not uncomfortable to walk a couple miles in. They've been breaking in well after 15 or so wears. I think 9.5E would definitely have been comfier off-the-bat, but I have a strong feeling the 9.5Ds will eventually fully break in to be a Goldilocks fit. Additionally, it's very convenient to have a wide range of sock thicknesses to compensate for these things.
White's widths are in 1/8" increments, for anyone wondering.
I'm a 10D brannock and wondering if 9E would be best for the 5050 last. I too want room for my toes.
@@Sandblstr Not sure, but for the record, mine are MP lasted.
Is it celastic toe box or not? Am still not sure wether to order with celastic toe box or not.
Yes it is, the toe box on the MP is pretty flat to begin with. If you like the look of a collapsed toe I’d say go for it. Are you doing a cap toe or a plain toe?
@@trinityhandmade3864 i’m going for a plain toe and natural waxed flesh leather. If you were me will you go with celastic or without celastic toe? I just need to get this right at the 1st time because i live in south east asia that is very far away from US and the price is very expensive.
@@jaynern have you looked up photos of each? It’s more noticeable on a plain toe when it’s unstructured, I don’t find the comfort to be all that different between the two so really it comes down to personal preference. Celastic if you don’t ever want that toe to change shape, non if you want it to collapse and looks even more worn and patina.
@@trinityhandmade3864yes… i’ve seen both with celastic and without celastic on reddit and here on your channel. I preffer the look without celastic but i need a few more days to be certain. thank you because you willing to spent time to reply to my question and stay safe.
@@jaynern I wouldn’t stress over it, you’ll probably end up with both eventually anyway!
Where did you get those false tongues? I like the raised part in the center where you lace through
I have a business and I make them myself. Search me on Instagram either “Trinity handmade” or @nerdin_with_boots
Are you used to that block heel yet. I have nicks Americana’s and the block heel took some time getting used to for me.
Yes I am, for the first year I was into boots I had some AE Higgins mill, OSB trench boots, and Truman Java. They all had low block heels so I got really used to that before I got anything with a taller woodsman or dogger heel. I now prefer the latter but I don’t notice anything weird switching back and forth. What about it for you is hard to get used to?
@@trinityhandmade3864 well for me it’s trying to roll to the ball and toes, it’s so stiff it’s just like a heel, to toe smack, there’s now being able to roll. Ya know.? Maybe it’s me Idk😅
What sole is on the boots you’re talking about? These flex pretty good because they are just a half sole, but on stiffer full rubber soles they won’t flex as well at the ball until they are fully broken in. Also, I fully expect Nicks to use thicker and stiffer leather mid sole and heel stack than White’s
@@trinityhandmade3864 it’s a vibram 430 I believe
Ah it shouldn’t be too stiff after a break in. Are you past 100 hours of wear on them yet?
My first pair of White's getting built now. Sherman 1/2 sole with toe cap and brown Chromexcel ordered through Baker's Boots. So stoked to be getting these boots and very optimistic from what I hear about fit, that these are extremely comfortable. Just a classic service boot.
Congrats’ you will love them
I'm getting a pair of MP's, 1/2 sole in the Brown Chromexcel also!
@@erichagen8053 Congrats Eric. After patiently (?) waiting about 10 months, mine are being shipped now. Really looking forward to them.
@@trinityhandmade3864 They have arrived! YES!!! So good. I don't want to take them off.
is it heavy?
Yes
is the interior lined?
Only the vamp is, so “half lined” just in the toe area.