I got a 7" MTO Hendrik last year and mine are definitely higher than yours. Mine were crafted incredibly clean, and came with two green cloth bags to store them in - seems they stopped doing that. Also my stitching is very clean and I have Nick's and White's and the Wesco are the cleanest. IDK maybe Covid affected them and are cutting corners because that whooopsie on a $700+ boot is absolutely unacceptable.
I definitely don't blame you for returning them. I'm not ultra-picky, either but there were just too many issues with them to ignore- especially in light of the price and wait time. I have a pair of Wescos and they are great, but I guess a dud can slip through once in while.
I have to say, I worked for a cobbler and we did a lot of repair work on a bunch of PNW boots. From wildland firefighters to construction workers to ranchers we got a nice range of boots in with pretty heavy use. I have to say that the Wesco boots I saw and worked on failed before any other boot (mainly because of leather quality and stitching quality). Also, not to beat a dead horse, we also had a retail boot shop who sold Wesco's and it was known in the shop not to order boots from them. Sizing was usually off, lead times were redonk, and I saw first hand a couple of cut corners on their production end. I am sorry you don't seem happy with your boots. Its frustrating I am sure. Hopefully you get it sorted out.
Man after owning Nicks and White’s I am not going to argue with anything you just said. Luckily I was able to get refunded for these without issue. Won’t be going down the Wesco road ever again sadly.
@@trinityhandmade3864 I’m glad you got your money back! I would recommend Frank’s Boots. That’s what my boss (master cobbler) wore most. He said they leave the boots on the last longer than any other company. They’re sizing is a half size down for me compared to whites but yeah I throw a recommend to them for sure if you’re interested in another pair.
Like most quality things, in time they show it's worth. I'm sure those boots will look great in about 3months with dark brown laces. They gotta break In to look good.
Thank you for this! I'm hype,, i got some barely used Wesco custom Jobmaster ordered today on ebay.. only 350 shipped and look like new,, these look real nice.. the shape of this n Johannes are so unique n stylish.. I'm mainly wanting a Whites bounty hunter ornament toe cap black CXL and a Nicks urban logger 100 lug but came up on nice Wesco.. had to.. cause i won't do their wait times.. and most the used ones ppl get are either engineer or lace to toe, or real thick Jobmasters and i don't like any of those styles
I think I'll probably use Wesco's builder to design.... And go to Frank's again to build the engineer boots of my dreams😂. Thanks for the video, between the mess ups, and everything in the comments this just saved me from ordering from them in the future.
They look awesome man! I'm not too picky when it comes to my casual footwear but it doesn't look like they took any pride in the finish of those boots, what a shame. I don't own any Wesco's boots yet, they've definitely been on my radar. Thanks for sharing it!
I’m usually not either, White’s are known for their hit or miss finishing quality but these weren’t even as good as my worst pair of White’s and for $300 more. Very underwhelmed.
Wesco measures their shaft height from the ground up. Whites/Nick's measures the true height of the shaft starting right above the heel, this does not include the heel height of the boot on the measurement. This means a 7" Wesco actually has a 6" shaft. If you want a true 7" shaft then you have to order an 8" Wesco.
I dunno. My jobmaster is a 6" on the invoice, it has 8 overall eyelets. I get 5 inches above the heel, close to 7 inches ground up and finally 6 inches just in front of the heel, bottom of sole to the top. This seems to follow on my technically 10" jobmasters w/12 eyelets. 9" above the heel, 11" from the ground up and finally 10" from bottom of sole just in front of heel to the top. Just fyi.
I would send those back. Considering they are a custom order and not off the shelf that boo boo from the sander and the inexact stitching are unacceptable. I think your choice looks great otherwise. For lace ups I prefer brown, the chromexcel. I like a Vibram sole and low stacked walking heel. For Wesco I would go with the Johannes but after seeing these, I’m going to order Nick’s Women’s Urban Drifter. Definitely in my price range which unfortunately the Role Club Underdogs aren’t. Nice video. 👍☮️🌞🌟🥾❤️
Thank you! I actually did end up sending these back and getting a full refund. They did not question it at all and I did not have a replacement pair made. Sadly not a great experience for me. Good luck with your boot journey!
Sick boots, be interesting to see the leather in some different lighting too. charcoal seems interesting. Too bad Wesco seems under the pump, sounds like the current state of play for PNW boots makers
White’s has not let me down 6 pairs in, but I know that’s not everyone’s experience. Nicks is also solid, probably the most well made pair of boots I own.
i have Mr lous in black horween horsehide and their harness boots in horween navy waxed flesh. waited for months but i did love them. Mr lous are quite sleek with the dr sole keeping a low profile; the harness boots are big, heavy, and boxy and benefit from an insole. the construction was clean and solid in my case. wish they would invest in a better website, kinda ridiculous how outdated it is. i don't see enough problems to return it, but i'm getting a drift that part of the boot collecting game is to be quite severe in judging imperfections. sounds like some people do returns frequently, but perhaps that scrupulosity would become apparent to the makers so they might raise the bar in order to stop hemorrhaging money.
I had a pair of Mr Lou’s and I can say they were absolutely perfect construction and fit wise, I just didn’t love them on me personally. Can’t say anything bad about those boots or the boss 7500s I had too. If you had seen either of those pairs and this pair of over $700 MTO boots side by side there’s no way you would think they were from the same maker.
700 or 800 dollar boot with oppsies not acceptable on a mto order boot . Hopefully they gona give you a discount on these or next order . I'd do a Hendrick 6 inch all black horse hide with eye's and hooks I own horeshide lace to toe 6 inch platinum lined with brass hardware eye's and hooks jobmasters waxed laces and paid 100 dollars Canadian from a guy who paid 880$ and wore them twice so yeah I got a smoking deal and will definitely be ordering more wesco boots
You have me absolutely terrified. I ordered a pair of Hendriks on the MP last because I need EE width but those boots, although stunning, do not meet my criteria for $700+ boots. I have a pair of Grant Stone Ottawa boots that are half the price and the finishing is much better. I guess I'll have to wait and see.
Man I totally agree. I mean I have like loads of White’s that have all been finished better than these. Alden’s including rare shell all better than these. Nicks were better. Everything I’ve gotten from Indonesia has been better too. As one of the most expensive purchases I’ve made as far as boots go they are amongst the worst finished I’ve seen. IMO they are not worth the price. Good luck friend! Luckily they have a no questions asked return policy and supply a shipping label.
I don’t know man, those QC issues trouble me a bit, not cause I care, for example that chunk missing in the heel might not be visible after you wear them a little, but the welt stitching was pretty sloppy and that one will be noticeable forever, specially on a stitchdown. I think I would wear them anyway but I would at least write and tell them, paying that much and waiting that long and then they come back looking like they were rushing to stitch them makes you question what were they doing for 8 months if they rushed to stitch my boots in 20 minutes? Anyway that’s my opinion 🤷🏻♂️
wescos are really nice boots. measure you other 6inch boots and compare the height..if they are not 7inch return them.. it may bother your especially if you paid full price..my problem is that all of these PNW makers are not finished to a high standard...trickers,many crockett and jones boots are in the same price category and they are really well finished with great attention to detail.. indonesians and chinese are in another league..
For sure! I own a few indo boots and flame panda on the way as well. I’ll agree with you those European makers are higher finishing but you just can’t get some of these patterns with them. I did check with Wesco and this is their 7” boot they measure from the bottom of the heel up LOL. I did end up returning these. Thanks for watching!
i think that they are good looking boots, but it's not cool that they did not send you the boots you ordered. A six inch boot is just not a seven inch boot. Especially with the thick V100 outsoles that missing inch of height would for sure throw off the balance that I would have been expecting
They must have made those on a Friday because the guy/girl looks like they forgot to read your 7" height spec and the gouge on the heel midsole should not have passed QC.
Wesco are usually pretty good from a QC standpoint; of the boots I own I'd put mine above my White's, but just below my Viberg's. Those ones though, definitely shouldn't have got past QC. The height is fine, because Wesco measure from the ground up, but the heel looks like the guy sneezed unexpectedly while he was sanding it, and that outsole stitching looks very wonky. In fact, there are currently some boots on the Wesco seconds page that have been discounted due to 'irregular stitching' on the outsole that look better than your pair, so how yours made it out the factory, who knows? It's a real shame, particularly after such a long wait. And it's making me very nervous for my second pair, which should be shipping to me any day now. Fingers crossed!
I had two pairs previously, both engineers. The Mr. Lou’s were objectively perfect as far as QC goes. Higher than my Vibergs but those are just rough out Boondockers with the old spi so that’s not really fair. Of the 6 pairs of White’s I own these were worse than any of them easily. I agree, at over $700 and nearly 8 months I was kind like wtf am I looking at and why is it this bad haha. I did find out after filming this that the height was correct but for the other reasons and also then being nearly a full size too small for me I had to return them. Thankfully their return policy was very good and also quick. They offered a $300 credit and had they fit I probably would have kept them. I was told by them to take my same size as Mr. Lou and that was definitely not the move. I think it’s a combination of a lot of things, maybe even some new staff idk. I’ve seen some seriously uneven toe caps, like almost by an inch from the latest run of axe breakers. Unlike Wesco for sure, hopefully they get it turned around and hopefully your pair comes out ok!
@@trinityhandmade3864 interesting that these fit smaller than the Mr Lou. They're both supposed to be on the MP1339 last, so it sounds like that wasn't done right either.
I know you said these were MTO; just to clarify, did you do the measurements on your feet and submit them? Even though you returned them, so glad you posted this vid. Very educational indeed. Thanks!
I got a 7" MTO Hendrik last year and mine are definitely higher than yours. Mine were crafted incredibly clean, and came with two green cloth bags to store them in - seems they stopped doing that. Also my stitching is very clean and I have Nick's and White's and the Wesco are the cleanest. IDK maybe Covid affected them and are cutting corners because that whooopsie on a $700+ boot is absolutely unacceptable.
I definitely don't blame you for returning them. I'm not ultra-picky, either but there were just too many issues with them to ignore- especially in light of the price and wait time. I have a pair of Wescos and they are great, but I guess a dud can slip through once in while.
Absolutely, none of the companies are immune to a dud haha! Thanks for watching
Cool built sorry they didn’t come out as ordered. Thanks for uploading! It was helpful for me to see the lowered heel.
My pleasure thanks for watching
I have to say, I worked for a cobbler and we did a lot of repair work on a bunch of PNW boots. From wildland firefighters to construction workers to ranchers we got a nice range of boots in with pretty heavy use. I have to say that the Wesco boots I saw and worked on failed before any other boot (mainly because of leather quality and stitching quality). Also, not to beat a dead horse, we also had a retail boot shop who sold Wesco's and it was known in the shop not to order boots from them. Sizing was usually off, lead times were redonk, and I saw first hand a couple of cut corners on their production end.
I am sorry you don't seem happy with your boots. Its frustrating I am sure. Hopefully you get it sorted out.
Man after owning Nicks and White’s I am not going to argue with anything you just said. Luckily I was able to get refunded for these without issue. Won’t be going down the Wesco road ever again sadly.
@@trinityhandmade3864 I’m glad you got your money back! I would recommend Frank’s Boots. That’s what my boss (master cobbler) wore most. He said they leave the boots on the last longer than any other company. They’re sizing is a half size down for me compared to whites but yeah I throw a recommend to them for sure if you’re interested in another pair.
Glad I found your channel. I am now convinced to stay clear of Wesco. An absolute shame to wait that long for a disappointing experience.
Can’t go wrong with White’s or Nicks!
Like most quality things, in time they show it's worth. I'm sure those boots will look great in about 3months with dark brown laces. They gotta break In to look good.
Stitching, strike one. Sanding, strike two. Boot height, strike three. Send those puppies back.
Haha! I did but mostly because of fit.
Thank you for this! I'm hype,, i got some barely used Wesco custom Jobmaster ordered today on ebay.. only 350 shipped and look like new,, these look real nice.. the shape of this n Johannes are so unique n stylish.. I'm mainly wanting a Whites bounty hunter ornament toe cap black CXL and a Nicks urban logger 100 lug but came up on nice Wesco.. had to.. cause i won't do their wait times.. and most the used ones ppl get are either engineer or lace to toe, or real thick Jobmasters and i don't like any of those styles
I think I'll probably use Wesco's builder to design.... And go to Frank's again to build the engineer boots of my dreams😂. Thanks for the video, between the mess ups, and everything in the comments this just saved me from ordering from them in the future.
Not a bad idea Thomas!
Got to love the square g shock!!!
Haha! Old school is the only way to go. I love that cheap watch.
They look awesome man! I'm not too picky when it comes to my casual footwear but it doesn't look like they took any pride in the finish of those boots, what a shame. I don't own any Wesco's boots yet, they've definitely been on my radar. Thanks for sharing it!
I’m usually not either, White’s are known for their hit or miss finishing quality but these weren’t even as good as my worst pair of White’s and for $300 more. Very underwhelmed.
dude these are amazing, great content as always. they remind me of the truman steel predators!!!!!!!
They are very similar, might even be the same leather who knows!
Look like 5 in boots from counting number of speed hooks
They are in fact 7” boots, Wesco measures from the ground up whereas most makers measure from the heel up. Weird!
Wesco measures their shaft height from the ground up. Whites/Nick's measures the true height of the shaft starting right above the heel, this does not include the heel height of the boot on the measurement. This means a 7" Wesco actually has a 6" shaft. If you want a true 7" shaft then you have to order an 8" Wesco.
Does wesco say that?
Yup! Found that out afterwards, these are indeed a 7” boot! Thanks for watching.
@@StolenAlias yes they do
I dunno. My jobmaster is a 6" on the invoice, it has 8 overall eyelets. I get 5 inches above the heel, close to 7 inches ground up and finally 6 inches just in front of the heel, bottom of sole to the top. This seems to follow on my technically 10" jobmasters w/12 eyelets. 9" above the heel, 11" from the ground up and finally 10" from bottom of sole just in front of heel to the top. Just fyi.
I would send those back. Considering they are a custom order and not off the shelf that boo boo from the sander and the inexact stitching are unacceptable. I think your choice looks great otherwise.
For lace ups I prefer brown, the chromexcel. I like a Vibram sole and low stacked walking heel. For Wesco I would go with the Johannes but after seeing these, I’m going to order Nick’s Women’s Urban Drifter. Definitely in my price range which unfortunately the Role Club Underdogs aren’t. Nice video. 👍☮️🌞🌟🥾❤️
Thank you! I actually did end up sending these back and getting a full refund. They did not question it at all and I did not have a replacement pair made. Sadly not a great experience for me. Good luck with your boot journey!
Thanks for doing the video. I’m now convinced not to try Wesco boots!
Damn. I know this is old but man I feel the disappointment looking at the poor QC.
Those are 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Sick boots, be interesting to see the leather in some different lighting too. charcoal seems interesting. Too bad Wesco seems under the pump, sounds like the current state of play for PNW boots makers
White’s has not let me down 6 pairs in, but I know that’s not everyone’s experience. Nicks is also solid, probably the most well made pair of boots I own.
i have Mr lous in black horween horsehide and their harness boots in horween navy waxed flesh. waited for months but i did love them. Mr lous are quite sleek with the dr sole keeping a low profile; the harness boots are big, heavy, and boxy and benefit from an insole. the construction was clean and solid in my case. wish they would invest in a better website, kinda ridiculous how outdated it is. i don't see enough problems to return it, but i'm getting a drift that part of the boot collecting game is to be quite severe in judging imperfections. sounds like some people do returns frequently, but perhaps that scrupulosity would become apparent to the makers so they might raise the bar in order to stop hemorrhaging money.
I had a pair of Mr Lou’s and I can say they were absolutely perfect construction and fit wise, I just didn’t love them on me personally. Can’t say anything bad about those boots or the boss 7500s I had too. If you had seen either of those pairs and this pair of over $700 MTO boots side by side there’s no way you would think they were from the same maker.
Yessss
700 or 800 dollar boot with oppsies not acceptable on a mto order boot . Hopefully they gona give you a discount on these or next order . I'd do a Hendrick 6 inch all black horse hide with eye's and hooks I own horeshide lace to toe 6 inch platinum lined with brass hardware eye's and hooks jobmasters waxed laces and paid 100 dollars Canadian from a guy who paid 880$ and wore them twice so yeah I got a smoking deal and will definitely be ordering more wesco boots
I agree, not acceptable. I returned them
You have me absolutely terrified. I ordered a pair of Hendriks on the MP last because I need EE width but those boots, although stunning, do not meet my criteria for $700+ boots. I have a pair of Grant Stone Ottawa boots that are half the price and the finishing is much better. I guess I'll have to wait and see.
Man I totally agree. I mean I have like loads of White’s that have all been finished better than these. Alden’s including rare shell all better than these. Nicks were better. Everything I’ve gotten from Indonesia has been better too. As one of the most expensive purchases I’ve made as far as boots go they are amongst the worst finished I’ve seen. IMO they are not worth the price. Good luck friend! Luckily they have a no questions asked return policy and supply a shipping label.
@@trinityhandmade3864 thanks for the well wishes. If these don't match my White's Mps quality bare minimum, I will definitely be raising a stink.
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Hendrik - 8" - Black Horsehide/Tobacco Lining - Dark Brown Midsole - Brown Bootstitch, White outsole stitch - Half Sole - Brass Hardware - Lowest Heel - Dress Cap
Moto Patrol - 12" - Burgundy Waxed Flesh/Tobacco Lining - Nordic Brass Rollers - Double Midsole in Natural - Half Sole - Min Heel - Wine Bootstitch/White Outsole Stitch
Awesome! Enjoy!
Great looking boot but definitely look like a 6 inch boot.
I don’t know man, those QC issues trouble me a bit, not cause I care, for example that chunk missing in the heel might not be visible after you wear them a little, but the welt stitching was pretty sloppy and that one will be noticeable forever, specially on a stitchdown. I think I would wear them anyway but I would at least write and tell them, paying that much and waiting that long and then they come back looking like they were rushing to stitch them makes you question what were they doing for 8 months if they rushed to stitch my boots in 20 minutes? Anyway that’s my opinion 🤷🏻♂️
That’s 100% how I felt, I returned them for a full refund and they didn’t even question it.
wescos are really nice boots. measure you other 6inch boots and compare the height..if they are not 7inch return them.. it may bother your especially if you paid full price..my problem is that all of these PNW makers are not finished to a high standard...trickers,many crockett and jones boots are in the same price category and they are really well finished with great attention to detail.. indonesians and chinese are in another league..
For sure! I own a few indo boots and flame panda on the way as well. I’ll agree with you those European makers are higher finishing but you just can’t get some of these patterns with them. I did check with Wesco and this is their 7” boot they measure from the bottom of the heel up LOL. I did end up returning these. Thanks for watching!
PNW boots are working boots made for the outdoors. If you want dress boots look elsewhere.
Robert williams. Charcoal.
i think that they are good looking boots, but it's not cool that they did not send you the boots you ordered. A six inch boot is just not a seven inch boot. Especially with the thick V100 outsoles that missing inch of height would for sure throw off the balance that I would have been expecting
That long for those…. I’d be livid
I was haha, they were returned with no issue.
They must have made those on a Friday because the guy/girl looks like they forgot to read your 7" height spec and the gouge on the heel midsole should not have passed QC.
This is why I am so hesitant to pull the trigger on 6 700 dollar boots.
No extra laces, shoe bags, and cards shoved in the boot like that??? What a disappointing experience.
Pretty weak for $700 and 8 months eh? You get a better experience from $200 boots made overseas
Wesco are usually pretty good from a QC standpoint; of the boots I own I'd put mine above my White's, but just below my Viberg's.
Those ones though, definitely shouldn't have got past QC. The height is fine, because Wesco measure from the ground up, but the heel looks like the guy sneezed unexpectedly while he was sanding it, and that outsole stitching looks very wonky. In fact, there are currently some boots on the Wesco seconds page that have been discounted due to 'irregular stitching' on the outsole that look better than your pair, so how yours made it out the factory, who knows?
It's a real shame, particularly after such a long wait. And it's making me very nervous for my second pair, which should be shipping to me any day now. Fingers crossed!
I had two pairs previously, both engineers. The Mr. Lou’s were objectively perfect as far as QC goes. Higher than my Vibergs but those are just rough out Boondockers with the old spi so that’s not really fair. Of the 6 pairs of White’s I own these were worse than any of them easily.
I agree, at over $700 and nearly 8 months I was kind like wtf am I looking at and why is it this bad haha. I did find out after filming this that the height was correct but for the other reasons and also then being nearly a full size too small for me I had to return them. Thankfully their return policy was very good and also quick. They offered a $300 credit and had they fit I probably would have kept them. I was told by them to take my same size as Mr. Lou and that was definitely not the move.
I think it’s a combination of a lot of things, maybe even some new staff idk. I’ve seen some seriously uneven toe caps, like almost by an inch from the latest run of axe breakers. Unlike Wesco for sure, hopefully they get it turned around and hopefully your pair comes out ok!
@@trinityhandmade3864 interesting that these fit smaller than the Mr Lou. They're both supposed to be on the MP1339 last, so it sounds like that wasn't done right either.
I think they look good but, imo, they’re very close to the look of a RW IR in charcoal r&t. And the RW is half the price.
I will politely disagree that these look anything like an iron ranger, but your point about price is right on!
@@trinityhandmade3864 That’s fair. Wesco is definitely in another league.
I know you said these were MTO; just to clarify, did you do the measurements on your feet and submit them?
Even though you returned them, so glad you posted this vid. Very educational indeed. Thanks!
I did not do tracings, I talked to Chris on the phone and we decided on a 10 but I wish I had don’t tracings because they were way too small.
Ugly job for 30 weeks of waiting time, return and get your money back
Wow thats quaite the "oopsie"... And the wrong height as well.... Yikes.
That’s not a great way to delivery your boots in my opinion, even the poor way they packed them !, I bet slightly deflated
Yeah like literally thrown in a box haha. I was pretty bummed about it
are they heavy??
So heavy
did you get an exhange?
Ended up just getting a full refund
How did they fit?
Too small they were returned
I’d send them back, ask for a full refund and go to Nicks boots !
I did exactly that!
Wow, not impressed at all with Wesco.
I stick with franks
Haven’t tried yet but their stuff looks great!
They are so easy to work with. I have two pairs and both came nearly flawless.