I Broke Down NICKS, WHITES, JKs, and WESCO BOOTS | Is there a Difference?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In this video, Tobias breaks down many of the most popular American Stitchdown Boots to see if there is a difference. A comprehensive breakdown and comparison to many of your favorite boots.
This was a really great video man. Good to see Bordon hold their own!
I believe that Nick's no longer does that extra blake stitching anymore. So those must be a slightly older pair.
Are they cheaping out nowadays? Damn
@@kato2395 They said it was for comfort reasons. That some people complained about feeling the stitches on the insole. But I have a few older pairs with the blake stitch and I don't ever feel the stitches. I think, to be honest, that they did away with the blake stitch because that one less machine that they will need to maintain and one less step to worry about in the building process.
@@uncannyfox thanks for the info, my boot is on queue and I really hope nicks doesn't change their stance regarding quality even though they are getting more famous nowadays.
They dropped it during the pandemic partly because stitching thread was in tight supply
This is true. Go with Frank’s boots, they still have the Blake stitch as a standard for all their boots except for the Patriot.
Love it! Compared to Rose Anvil much more in depth on the sole construction. 👍
Great video. Very informative! Thank you.
Great video and very educational. Thanks for the content.
I'll be keeping my eye out for that Bordon rebuild video. I hmm'ed and haaa'ed over ordering their "Save the Ocean" limited boots one day too long. I went to order the next day and they were gone. Queque was closed.
I did the same thing but I just kept checking their website and one day the order button was back on there so I ordered them. It’s been a long wait though. I placed the order in early August and still don’t have them. They emailed me a couple days ago and said they were stitching on the outsoles, so hopefully I’ll get them soon
@@amason79Those boots look awesome. I have a pair on order from the March order window, which means I need to get them into my will in case I'm taking a dirt nap when they arrive. 🪦😮
I have always wanted to learn to be a cobbler. Restoring and improving stuff just be in my Scottish nature. Thank you for the education as well as just filming.
I really liked those Bordons and Nicks.
I'm having a pair of boots built since corks are a no go at this new sight.
Which is more durable of a sole between the Vibram V700 chevron & V43o mini lug?
We have cork infused soles. It’s available under The Alden package on our website. The 700 and 430’s are also available in cork in brown. Black with cork is scheduled for production by Vibram also. Hopefully it will be available soon. To answer your question about durability between 430 and 700. They are the same material, so it is just a matter of tread pattern preference.
*I can see why people don't like new boots torn down. I don't hate it at all lol 😅 lol! However, there are people out there who do that in order to have them more customized. It's so that they fit much more comfortably for their feet. Also, they may not like the sole that's on them, but they do like the uppers. So they'll have a different sole put on them. There's many more reasons why people customize their boots. I know not everyone is into that, but please do be aware that people will do it. The shop does it because it's what the customer wants. But hey, they do put the boots back together, and their results are always amazing and professional! Be happy that the boots aren't being thrown away in a landfill lol 🤣🤣! It's great people want to customize their boots to fit their needs. Completely valid and fine! It's their money, and their property after all 😊!*
*Also, in terms of a video, it's a good learning experience for many people. Whether that may be someone learning to be a cobbler, someone trying to figure out what they want/need for their boots, or just someone simply watching their videos.*
*It can help people better decide what they want in their boots for a future purchase, no matter what brand that may be. You get to see why the boots cost a certain amount of money. You also see why boots are built a certain way as well. So it's extremely useful in that regard!*
*Oh yea and as requested, Tony please clean up your boots lol 😅🤣🤣🤣🤣!*
So the extra stitch mostly just makes YOUR job tougher? But would have liked to see what's INSIDE those first two boots; already know the OT has no extra arch support, etc.
Yes, you can feel where you want it to be less flimsy after wearing for a while. Will have to see about getting those rebuilt likely long before they are anywhere near worn out and possibly before they even need a resole!!
Then I guess they will be stiff on the bottom and likely not have the half mid slip deal, but by then the vamp bits will have flexed in a bit and I don't know that this is really as much an issue anyway. I think it's the honey outsole vs. the black rubber ones that make them more comfy on pavement from the get-go?
You can see the arch curve on the underside of the White's Packers now.
No, I likely want to convert some Goodyear Welt ones TO stitchdown or at least replace the plastic welt, etc.
In extreme wear circumference, the second row does help hold the soles on better. It’s not just for looks or just to make our job more difficult. For casual wear, it’s simply for looks and does make our job more difficult. But, that’s just part of the job we do.
Nicks stopped using the blake unfortunately.
I really want a pair of skullsmasher nicks boots lol
Tony doesn't need to clean his boots, isn't that why he keeps you around? 😂
Those days of having him around for that ended long ago 🤣. He’s far too valuable to clean my boots.
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany Well you know, I can't miss such a ripe opportunity to give Toby a friendly jab. He sure is good at ripping them apart though and really that's the best time to clean them anyways hahaha! I bet your boots turned out great, and it was fascinating to see the difference in construction for each boot, which imo is the sort of detail that we need to make smart decisions about buying the right boot for ourselves and options for reconstruction when they inevitably need it. Great stuff as usual and love to see y'all sharing your knowledge and craft.
Call me biased. I like stitch-down construction.
Danner,?
We didn’t exclude anyone. We were only able to compare the ones we had in the shop for recrafts at the time.
More like there should be a pair of frank’s, Danners aren’t even in the same league. Danners would be in a video with say Red Wing
*_Obviously TONY is the only one who actually does any work there DUH.. LOL😂😂😂._*
That’s right!! 🤣🤣
jk half slip is pure genius. i wish they were built like my nicks with a half slip. but my jks are my go to still. im still breaking in the nicks.
Great video! Have owned 3 sets of Nicks over the past 40 years and still wear 2 of them. Just got my Iron Ranger Loggers from ya'll and love them.
Awesome! We are glad you are enjoying them!
Ranger Vapes??? yooo hah,, use to buy from your site.., awesome to see a fellow boot AND vape enthusiast.. there's just a few of us out there taking both to extremes lol
another great video! really excited to see the JKs in there. their bison OTs have my feeling all kinds of ways. love seeing yall pop up on my feed!
I own a pair of those Bison JK OTs great boots for my use case
It's cool to see that all those boots are well made...
Nicks doesn't do the blake stitch anymore.
Personally I only send my Wesco’s and franks to the factory
Theoretically the White's handsewn stitch down is more durable and Nick's leather is a bit heavier. Use that information how you will.
Really enjoyed watching this video. All quality boots. Looking forward to seeing Tony finish the Bordon's, one of my favorite brands.
Interesting, liked to have seen a set of Drews - if you ever get any in.
Wow this is probably one of the best vids I think you’ve made yet! Where else can you get this kind of review of these Brands all together, thanks guys!
I have owned a dozen PNW boots from these brands. Unfortunately, I fell out of love for Wesco and JKs. No arch support. I keep Nicks because build quality and nice W&C leathers. I keep White’s for their handsewn construction, I appreciate their effort in keeping a dying tradition alive. They also offer horsebutt and shell cordovan.
Cool video
Surprised the JK boot did not have arch support
Watched JK's breakdown on he O.T. and Forefront. That half slip is what they use for a lineman shank in other boots, it's what gives the arch support. The way they shape it creates the arch. That flimsy piece is just there to fill the void from the upper being tucked under.
A heel that low there should be no surprise
Great content and the music is awesome 🤘🏼😎
Good video, but I brought a pair of Julian boots ($800 boots, since we’re discussing prices) in to the Winston store a couple years back, and ended up with crooked (angled) soles after waiting a few weeks and the boots being resoled at the last minute. Had a pair of Oak Street camp mocs resoled at the same time and they were fine, but I felt a bit annoyed with the Julian’s.
This is the first I have heard about it. I will be happy to take a look at them and see what can be done about it.
Email me at: wyattndad@gmail.com
Thanks
Tony Wyatt
Are those Bordon's your dome boots?
JK, they're Santa's. Clean your boots, Tony
But…only 1 of those boots actually look good for casual wear…..
Which one?
Originally I thought just the Nick’s…but the Wesco’s kinda grew on me!
Wesco are made in Scappose, my daughter played lots of youth soccer against girls from there and then a lot if soccer with girls from there in college. It’s such a nothing town, so funny that world renowned boots are made there. The PAC NW is full of boot and clothing makers who are renowned for quality.
You have any that anyone should care about except Frank's. Love the video, as always!
If you have the money to afford it,more power to you,one of those reasons would be as an informational video,mine would probably be ,because I want to customize my boot,that I can’t find on the market,and I can afford it,simple!
Great job so you can do resole PNW and the price are on the website ?
Still working on adding these services to our website
PNW prices are not on the website yet. However, you can email us wyattndad@gmail.com and we will be happy to assist you with pricing your build
What is the negative of the half slip?
@@FlacomanXD JK considers the back half one to be the arch support
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany I meant like are there any drawbacks to it only being half. If the positive is adding flexibility, what is lost?
@@FlacomanXD oh. As long as you know that it is a lot more flexible, and that you plan to wear them as such, there is no drawback. The owner didn’t realize how flexible they would be when he purchased them, so he had us beef them up for him.
Cool video,great job camera man.
I wonder what red wing is Goodyear welt or other?
Most are Goodyear welted. Some are just molded soles
Have you looked at Franks boots?
@@frankgonzalez3822 yes. We just didn’t have a pair in the shop when we were shooting the video
Can you resole my franks boots. They have thick slip sole sole so they are not sewed the hole way through
Yes, we can do those
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany thanks. You guys did an amazing job on my red wing 1907 resole.
why does it sound like your reading the script at gun point?
😂
*I think bro was just nervous talking trying to keep up with the pace, with each boot shown in the video. He was trying to get as much info in, before the next boot was shown. It happens.*
JK will be my next pair of boots. Also their leather types and colors are just so nice looking.
Am definitely trading in my Carolina loggers for some Nicks 👍
I hate when people want brand new boots torn apart 🤦🏻♂️
Right?! Just crazy!
Why? Its to learn about them…
their money and property. all good in my book!
Your hatred is meaningless.
Rose Anvil is the only good one
Awesome. I'm glad I went for Nick's :) Thanks for your effort sir !
The jk ots do infact have good arch support, that was a completely incorrect statement lol. My ots have just as good arch support as my whites loggers, cruisers, and ramblers.
You’re not wrong. We did mis word that statement. It should have been more like “they don’t have a traditional leather or steel shank.
If you want to know how they’re made you could probably just get the info from the manufacturer, especially these smaller American companies, instead of ripping them apart.
We are a shoe repair company. We didn’t just rip them apart. They were all getting new soles. We just filmed the process for people to watch.
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany Gotcha, wasn't totally clear on that, especially since some of those soles don't look super worn.
@@ParhelionMedia some of them were new. We were customizing them for the owners new purpose. We post pictures on our Facebook and Instagram pages.
That JK doesn't have a rubber midsole...it has a rubber SLIPsole. I'm surprised you praised that.
Beyond that great video. Very well done.
A slip sole is a half sole midsole. The JK had a full length rubber midsole and, a half slip sole in the back half of the boots. The praise was for the bond created between the rubber midsole and the outsole.
@@WyattDadCobblerCompany a slip-sole is not a "half sole midsole".
A slip-sole is a full length piece of rubber between the midsole and the half sole. That JK is using 2 things improperly and/or partially to create a flimsy situation. First, they use a lineman shank as a partial midsole. Sure the material for a lineman shank and the material for a midsole are the same, & the thickness (Irons) are the same, but that doesn't make a lineman shank a midsole.
Then they are using a slip-sole as a midsole, and it just isn't.
Ask one of the other PNW builders building MTO's to make you a boot without a full length midsole, and they won't. Rephrase it and ask them to make you a boot using a slip-sole as a midsole and they won't. It'd be building a spineless boot. I give JK points for thinking outside the box, but that is a wimpy boot any PNW boot builder should be ashamed to offer. The fact that anyone is buying them is mind boggling. If you want light duty there are plenty of choices out there that are better all around.
@@cloveroak5492
slipsole
noun
slip·sole ˈslip-ˌsōl
1
: a thin insole
2
: a half sole inserted between the insole or welt and the outsole of a shoe to give additional height
Why on Earth would you do this video and not include Frank's as well as Drew's. That's tacky
Simply didn’t have those brands in the shop at the time. I’m sure they’re made just as well and in a similar manner as these.
Buy a pair of Franks and Drews, use them and send them it. Simple ain’t it?
Lame comment