Israel and Palestine | Middle Ground Roundtable
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:43 I have lost someone in the war
15:32 I rely more on the information that I get from social media than the news
33:22 Our children should not inherit this conflict
51:52 Both sides have lost the war
1:03:56 It's possible to be both Pro-Israel and Pro-Palestine
1:18:17 I empathize with people on the other side
1:25:54 Outro 
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"America doesn't support Israel" - what are they talking about? That's simply incorrect. It wasn't until recently that Palestine got the kind of media attention it has today.
They cant grt over their bais, its only this year that mainstream media had somewhat started being truthful about the occupation.
True
I expect they’re referring to the fact that Biden lifted sanctions on Iran that directly funded the Hamas attacks on Israel. He did this twice in the last two months.
@@JackFran4193 He is doing that because of Oil and that Iran does not join the Brics countries totally because Saudi Arabia is acting up. It has nothing to do with supporting Hamas because Isreal needs Hamas to hide their aggressive attacks on Gaza. Neta said it himself.
America litteraly two days ago declined the ceasfire in palestine and it was the only country declining that ...
Please get a fact checker. You used to provide facts at the bottom as text so we could read them. This episode needs it desperately.
They did it in purpose
@@Nat-cf6nmand the purpose is that they are not even there, can you provide the valid facts? all information from this war are all BIAS, no place for neutral. just remember that!
Who started it?
7th - 1168 deaths, 600 civilians.
Preceded by
2008, "cast lead" operation, - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440.
2014, "protective edge" operation, 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492.
2008-2022 162,000+ Civilian Casualties.
your username feels ironic even though I know it's from Alien.
No body agrees. This is a super complex issue, and what one side accepts as facts, the other denies.
I think it would’ve been better to bring actual Israelis and Palestinians together for this debate. Americans can’t really speak for either side.
but it still doesn't invalidate their views and opinions.
50,000 in the streets of Texas supporting Palestine says otherwise.
I guarantee all of new york supports isreal. @@Nyabennah
fr they only saw things from the news and then they say that the news is not a trustworthy source
they already did a video 5 years ago. a new one with other people and prompts would be nice tho
Imagine hearing someone talking about how a loved one was treated in prison and then responding "that's actually not true"
Do you condemn Hamas?
@@chrisdawson1776Nope!
@@sylviesaurusrex6132 According to Islamic law, which is largely enforced by the Hamas authorities, a women's testimony is worth half that of a man's. The laws of adultery are also codified according to gender; an adulterer is punished with six months in prison, while an adulteress is jailed for two years.
@@sylviesaurusrex6132most of the Palestinian people don’t even support Hamas nor want them running the country
She said what she heard from the parents of her ex husband. Thats not a FACT
I want to be empathetic with the Israeli advocates, but it's hard when they have none themselves. Saying throwing rocks at tanks is terrorism is laughable and you cannot be taken seriously from then on.
Very true
This whole conversation is exhausting to me. The victimhood of the Israel-sympathizers is insane when we're comparing David to Goliath: Israel receives billions of dollars in military aid from the U.S government. The Palestinians have nothing. The devastation between both sides is incomparable. Ariel admitting to partying on the beach when people are being murdered in an open air prison mere miles away says it all.
Facts
seriously. I am open to hear both sides, but that dork goes ahead and says something so inhumane.
Very difficult to sympathize with them after that.
I stopped engaging after that.
is no one gonna mention the fact that they said that someone throwing a rock at a tank was terrorism and they derserved prison even if they were children. Why is everyone brushing past that, that absolutely disgusted and infurated me.
Dude, SAME! I've been scrolling and I've only seen a couple comments saying crap like "well you didn't throw rocks", "fafo", and "rocks are so dangerous!" 😐...🤦♀️
Exactly.
Martial law. Even In the u.s you throw a rock at a lapd officer. You will get thrown in jail for attempted assault do a peace officer. 6months to 1 year in jail for a first time offense.
Because it is terrorism, there have been numerous soldiers/civilians who have died by being struck by these rocks in the head.
It’s easy to talk about it out of context but very complicated when you see the result of some of the blunt force trauma a “nonviolent” item like a rock can do to a person.
@@PerriElias Throwing a rock is terrorism? Where is the proof that civilians and soldiers died by the rocks?
This Israeli woman says she prefers to get her news and experiences form people she knows personally but also accused Reema of lying about her husbands experience in Israeli prison because it’s just a personal experience- their refusal to accept truth is astounding and terrifying
Actually, the guy accused Reema of lying not the woman. But I Dont think thats what he meant. I think he was accusing her lying about the generalization that there are no trials. Either way, even if thats true Reema explained herself well enough after. I think even if thats what he means, thats not the takeaway from the whole video. Obviously there are statements that both sides said that many people will not agree with.
You’re not paying attention lmao
Do you condemn Hamas?
Well said
@@mariamsleiman3499 Do you condemn Hamas?
"If you throw a rock, you're a terr*rist"
WTF !?
You don't no the situation than be quiet
@@Arbelshshut up
@@Arbelsh If you don't know how to spell simple english words, use a dictionary or auto-correct. :)
@@ArbelshI'm curious, what would you do if you were in the place of the Palestinians?
@@shaimael-elaimy590I often (try to) look at conflicts by putting myself in the other persons shoes and it is really helpful and I totally agree if I was a Palestinian I probably would throw rocks at the tank, but you also have to think about what you’d do if a whole village starts throwing rocks at your military vehicle. You either flee the area or arrest them there’s not much other choice
Sorry but it's still so absurd to me that none of the Israelis were willing to admit Israel's continual occupation and oppression of Palestine. Gus is absolutely correct in saying that this conflict doesn't end until the occupation ends but if the other side can't even admit that occupation exists then there's still a long way to go to finding a resolution.
The thing is that, like Shaani said, there have been so many peace plans offered and yet they were all rejected. The only reason that displacement occurred was that there was a war and the Palestinians lost. Palestinians who decided to stay were given Israeli citizenship and are full Israeli citizens to this day, they make up 25% of the Israeli population.
Tomer said it as slip, then tried to correct himself
time stamp?@@habibihousepodcast
@@luther9678that's because the offers weren't even a meaningful change from the status quo. Israeli police, no borders, etc, it wasn't an actual offer.
And the Palestinians can’t admit that Hamas is for the extermination of Jewish people and complete eradication of Israel. What’s your point?
Jubilee you need to fact check what people say in the videos just like you do with every other middle ground video. Objective truth can be found here even if it proves someone wrong.
As soon as they begin to do that, people on either side of the issue will immediately see bias. Fact checking isn’t as easy as just saying “true” or “false”
Especially the guy that kept using the argument of beheaded babies, that was debunked by even Israeli sources
@@Basil_in_the_Wildthey literally did fact checking when it was a debate between scientists
@@stinkygremlin267some facts Re harder to verify especially when its a topic filled with misinformation
The problem with that was discussed during the prompt about news sources, both sides have biases and both sides who are living through the same timeline have two different stories of the same event, it’s nearly impossible to fact check this imo
23:12 she mentioned how they're not getting to hear first-hand experiences from each other online, but I'm sorry when the blond lady gave first-hand experience, she was completely shutdown and told that her ex-husband's experience is not true, that 's not what happens
First, she said her husband had to go to prison without a trial. When the Israelis said that couldn't be the case, she changed her words and said he didn't have a fair trial. So I think the correction was important. To say that people are in prison for years without any trial is in fact a lie that has been exposed thanks to the objections of the Israelis.
That's wut always happens
@@DeviYim fair enough I didn't catch on to that
Yes, I caught that too.@@DeviYim
@@DeviYim maybe she meant in total a "fair trial" as any kind of trial. it doesn't matter if it applies to her husband but as a whole this happens to thousands of Palestinians. You can google how many Palestinians are in Israeli prisons without trial, the number will surprise you. (spoilers: 4450 indefinitely incarcerated without charge, some of them are children)
calling literal children "terrorists" is truly baffling to me.
Do you condemn Hamas?
if you can indoctrinate children into commiting crimes, no matter their age, they are terrorists unfortunately
@@chrisdawson1776 why are you under every comment section asking a braindead question. Of course everyone condemns hamas
@@qcabone Do you condemn Hamas?
@@chrisdawson1776do you condemn IDF war crimes
as much as it’s interesting to see regular people having this discourse, i think having actual historians and people with first hand experience would’ve made the discussion so much more educational, there wasn’t any fact checking in this which i feel it’s crucial for a conversation of this matter.
Please don't tell me you're going to a jubilee debate for education on this issue
That’s not really the point of middle ground. At least not in this prompt.
Not the point of this at all. Go find a universo lecture for that.
As others have mentioned if you want more of the same you have plenty of options and have come to the wrong place. Everyone here who’s directly affected deserves a voice, even moreso than the same redundant “historians” all over RUclips have have zero experience in this nor are actually affected by it. I think you should have just appreciated those of us who are currently mourning losses and directly affected by it giving our time to this and sharing our perspectives.
i love how people are getting pressed over me asking for more discussions like these but with other people 😭
Hearing the personal stories of everyone was powerful, but still I would love to see an episode with real experts, historians etc. on this topic
Lots of great videos like that here on RUclips! Son of Hamas is one
There are many try IDG channel or Mohammed Hijab history of Jews which is 1h long
Only the racists refuse to because he's not white enough for their tastes even with his multiple PhDs
The problem with listening to the vast majority of actual historians is that Israel would look very terrible. Which it is, it's an apartheid state. Jubilees vids don't exist to educate.
norman finkelstein would be PERFECT! & BEN SHAPIRO cause Norman would obliterate him in a debate.
please no experts anymore
It’s funny how the Palestinian supporters kept giving time for the people israeli supporters to tell their stories like about the guy partying on the beach but when they try to tell their stories it’s shut down with arguments or snarky side comments like just grow up
Do you condemn Hamas?
Well when you think about it israel has more logic behind their arguments. Palestine has more strength in emotional stories rather than fact
I'm sorry, all you got from that story was he partied on a beach, not that his whole world got turned upside down when he literally watched terrorists storm the beach he was on to slaughter and rape his friends and family.
@chrisdawson1776 do you condemn Israel?
@@chrisdawson1776 do you condemn israel?
Imagine if any of the Paly people said their loved ones died as combatants, there would be uproar, and no one would validate their loss. I am genuinely sorry for the Paly reps who have to sympathize with the Israeli reps over the loss of their soldier friends that actively target them day in and day out.
I agree and I see the silence of the Israeli ones when they were listening to the loss of life on the Palestinian side. Or a single word of sympathy. But that’s the mentality of a coloniser.
@@geegeeh.6118 Are you joking? They literally showed sympathy and said "I'm sorry for your loss" in the FIRST TWO MINUTES.
Stop lying.
@@geegeeh.6118 Do you condemn Hamas?
@@geegeeh.6118 word.
@@sharoncohen318 oh and what about the "thats not true" response to that one woman just describing her ex husbands trauma?
They should have a middle ground with actual facts and analysis
We have that, the thing is that more or less only academics watch it. People don't actually want that. You want your ideas to be validated by someone better at manipulating the audience than these guys.
@@domerame5913do we have something like that?? Do you know what it's called or where I can watch it? I'm actually very interested in seeing that
@@domerame5913where?
Jubilee doesn’t really care about that
The facts and analysis go against the israeli agenda
Remember when Jubilee used to put information and their sources on the screen when people would make quasi-anecdotal statements, to either confirm or fact-check blanketed and bias statements? I don't mind seeing people disagree but moderate more. At some point its just a third of the prompt's time is people talking over one another.
Yup! Was just going to say this!
Some peoples "facts" are misinformation or bias, so id rather they not. Let the audience do their own research.
@@Momo-po5tnon the other hand, if they put their sources up on the screen and in the descriptions you can still do your own research. Sometimes Jubilee presents a bias in their videos and it would make it easier to determine if they are doing so
Asterisks would be everywhere if they had to advise discretion & post a caveat every second.
@@FactStormYya its super complicated like Israel shut off the water but it was 1 pipeline and there wouldve been btr pipelines and cleaning units if hamas hadnt used the pipes for missiles but then u can argue some of the outreach from Israel wasnt fair enough or diplomatic enough and shutting off the water is complicated too some ppl say its collective punishment but Israel says it was to make hostage negotiations faster cuz they hav a responsibility to defend their citizens and citizens of their allies LIKE DUDE even in a 100 years if we survive that long ppl r still gonna be arguing which side was worse or didnt do enough- imo Islam makes it impossible for Israel to take down the walls or allow btr visa traffic into their country and the world hates Jewish ppl and theyve been persecuted forever so they need a homeland but the settlements r messed up and should be abolished and Hamas 100% needs to be destroyed bfr any diplomatic decisions can be enacted cuz they pose an existential threat to every Jewish person in Israel
I appreciate the attempt of these extremely difficult conversations. May all of our humanity be Blessed. Thank you to everyone sharing. ❤
Do you condemn Hamas?
@@chrisdawson1776 Do you condemn the Zionist m**der machine?
That’s made me cry! As an Israeli citizen I really wish that people from both sides can come together and have a real peace. For a moment it gave me a hope that I wish would grow into something real.
Do you condemn Hamas?
You guys gotta have a moderator for these conversations, you also gotta have people who are experts in statistics and verifiable facts in these conversations instead of just those who come from personal trauma
YES
Correct
No. We are in an active war. Such a thing as ''fact checking'' is almost impossible in such a short period of time.
These conversations between average everyday citizens from each sides of a debate is important to have without experts, professionals, etc bc it is a mirror reflection of everyday discourse of their lived experiences. Watching these Middle Ground series gives great perspectives of everyday people in the absence of experts
Anybody with a will and an open google browser would be fine too
Comparing a rock to a tank is crazy.
it is in their playbook
What's even crazier is calling someone a terrorists for throwing a rock at a tank! Secondly, the tank is not in Israeli it is in occupied West Bank.
What was the comparison?
It’s called war
@@oc5297 So this happens before the "war".
I'm American and 44:15-51:48 had me in tears. If corrupt governments would just get out of the way people would live in peace as that is what most of us want. Sad that there are those who stir up hate and division just to gain power. Even sadder is how many people allow themselves to be manipulated by such people.
Unfortunately, Zionists wouldn't allow it
@@realdeal7074 per usual blaming zionists, aren’t you tired
@@str4wb3rrychuu I only speak truth.
@@str4wb3rrychuuit’s the truth tho
@@sumaiya-ey5zc Hamas are terrorists, that's the truth.
They say pain blinds people.
The panelists are all in pain and are talking past each other, blindly.
No some of them are just blind like how they just bury their head in the sand and scream and scream and scream that Israel bombed this hospital
Do you condemn Hamas?
@chrisdawson1776 Do you condemn Israel?
@@KennethAnimates Why would they condemn Israel. This doesn’t work as a comeback because whether Israel is doing something bad is debated while refusing to condemn Hamas is universally seen as bad. Hence we can reasonably assume Hamas is worse than Israel
@@KennethAnimates Do you condemn Hamas?
It would've been REALLY great to have some older participants as well. When everyone is within 15-20 years of each other, even being on separate sides, it's hard to not feel like the group as a whole is missing some perspective.
Yes i wish they would have had older people on both sides that didn't just grow up in america.
That generation can't see past their rage. Peace belongs to this and future generations.
It's the young who are fighting the war though
@@mgs85 No it's the grown ups fighting, the elders watching, and the new generations experiencing it
@@mgs85 True, but the war has been going on (and off, and on, and off) for decades. We could benefit from perspectives of older veterans or others affected by the conflict.
“If you were born Jewish you would’ve been me. If I was born Palestinian I would’ve been you.”
So powerful. We really are all just fighting for peace among humans. It’s deeply unfortunate that a handful of unempathetic greedy politicians get to determine the state of the world.
kinda shows how racist israel is and how much apartheit exists there tbh , that was a selfreport.
It doesn't make any sense. Two millions of Palestinian arabs live in Israel as citizens, some of them serve in IDF at this very moment. This clearly shows that it has nothing to do with ethnicity and has everything to do with culture, to assume otherwise is racist.
@@dieauferstehung Palestinians are not Israeli citizens
@@Firstname_Surname💯👍🏻
@@dieauferstehung there is literally no apartheit. you just proved that you are purposly uneducated. there are about 2million arabs in israel. all of them are citizens of israel. they have equal rights like any other citizen of israel. there are arab parliament members, arab judges. and there was a famous case an arab citizen put an israeli prime minsiter in prison. so if that is apartheid i wish every country in the world would be like that.
The white guy shutup real quick when homeboy brought up him living in LA😭 I can't all love
Do you condemn Hamas?
@@chrisdawson1776 lol do u condemn genocide
@@chrisdawson1776 do you condemn genocide?
@@chrisdawson1776do you condemn genocide(3)
@@Humblefudge Do you condemn Hamas?
These questions are too agreeable for both sides. There were no questions about the actual state of the war or either government.
Do you condemn Hamsa?
11:51 This is insane. She literally described how her ex husband was imprisoned, tortured, starved, and beaten for throwing a rock at a TANK and this dude is just like "not true"
Wasn’t it before she even knew her husband? Sounds like there’s details missing
She was lying, she didn’t even know her ex- husband at that time. She doesn’t have the fact
@@zeyv4551bro YALL all need to watch that part again, yes she said that all of that happened BEFORE she met him or even got married, she knows that happened to him because HIS family told her about it and how HIS FAMILY noticed he was different after the experience, she deadass says that In the video
@@Maranatha371he told her
The funny thing is that is a regular occurrence in the West Bank. Shows how little that guy actually knows about Israel.
Craving a version of this between Armenians and Turks/Azerbaijanies. So many places are going through decade long wars and it's really disturbing how much we don't hear
Thats because there are major countries who are interested in that area. Also arabs have 40 something seats in the UN. there are so many un resolutions and actions about israel palestine but crickets about whats happening in other places pf the world.
Sadly people don’t care as much about those conversations because they aren’t showing up on their “for you” pages. Everyone now has strong opinions and is a historian and activist for this issue because it boosts their social credit score, as crazy as that sounds.
Well I wouldn’t say the Turks have suffered like Armenians and Azeris have… they are the majority and they’re huge and very powerful. America is their ally and they’re the cause of so much grief. I wouldn’t respect a Turk who sat on this panel and defended their country for all the tragedies they’ve committed and continue to commit. They’re a bear squashing ants(us Armenians). There’s no fair fight or argument there.
@@terraguttierez2996 Wrong. Russia has been involved for years since the fall of the USSR. But since Nagorno-karabakh was invaded by Azerbaijan, Russia betrayed Armenia by doing nothing to help. Now they are actively seeking alliances with Western countries instead.
@@unmastered6154 women and kids getting beat by IDf this conflict is not like others if you follow the videos that come from there and im not from that region
My mum was refugee in Austria during Bosnian war. Two weeks ago I have heard from her that at that time since she escaped till 6 months later she did not know anything about her family 😢
@@chrisdawson1776this comment wasn’t even about Hamas 💀
@@fortnitefishygaming4632 Do you condemn Hamas?
@@chrisdawson1776 Do you?
@@fortnitefishygaming4632 Do you condemn Hamas?
@@fortnitefishygaming4632 No.
Shawni is fueling my rage. Thinking Zionism is the answer is baffling. And then Ariel also being so completely disrespctful.
Yea he is the worst
@@arielein-gal4221 Ariel 💀
Disappointed seeing Jubilee not fact-checking any of the information stated in this video. This is something they have done for every debate ever posted on this channel, except this video... how convenient.
Agreed, some of the stuff that's been said even Israeli media have backtracked on saying it was false
@@Whirlbeeeverything the Israelis said is a fact. Nothing they said was proven ‘false’ by Israeli media or any.
@@user-ig7lm6zt5i Haaretz has published about investigations around it, even the IDF & Israeli PR have said there were never beheaded babies
@@user-ig7lm6zt5i40 babies…yet it was actually 2 and they admitted this.
@@user-ig7lm6zt5iYou’re so brainwashed not even the israeli media convinces you? Lmao
“There are human beings who are not sociopath who don’t tap into their empathy, because it takes intention to be empathetic”
Additionally when religion is involved you have codified behavioral structures that make dehumanization much easier. Especially the Abrahamic religions which were essentially evolved to be effective war vehicles to secure resources & social power for the relevant in-groups.
Religion has little to do with it. This is settler colonialism, Europeans came to Palestine in the early 1900s and created a state at the expense of an already existing population.
@@Skapo Religious trauma is crazy
That's why we need to get back to the reality that we need to remember were all humans.
@@Skaporeligion is like fire, u cannot survive without it u need it but u can easily abuse it for your evil drives. So what we need is wisdom
What was the need to mention American Black presidents. Just because one person got into a position of power does not mean racism goes away and that there aren't systematic issues. That guy saying that honestly says a lot.
Do you condemn Hamas?
Hearing the personal stories of lost loved ones, even from the people I disagree with. It’s deeply painful. You can see the pain on each face.
Amen and Ameem. May we one day all know peace.
This here is the reason why you all keep fighting. How can you not assume that each one of those people who have died in ANY fight do not have 1 person that will miss or loved them?
@@joshuaw9009I don't see them saying that, you're assuming that about them. They were simply saying that it's painful to see it on these people, you can know of tragedy and have empathy, but when you see it it's much more impactful.
It’s telling how the conversation got toxic the moment the people who had not lost anyone joined the table.
What would you say you disagreed on and which people?
Jubilee has the potential to be a really great channel, but their debates are always incredibly hard to follow because they DO NOT MODERATE!!! If they had a moderator who was capable of actually doing the job these videos would be so much better. People screaming over each other is not a debate. It’s a grating shouting match.
Edit to clarify: Many people have been commenting that they don’t want a moderator because they want everyone to have the chance to speak - I agree. That’s exactly WHY you need a moderator, whether it’s a proper debate or simply a heated discussion. I want everyone to have an equal opportunity to talk and not have to constantly say “Can you please stop interrupting me?” “Can I please finish my statement?” “Can I please answer the actual prompt?”
They shouldn’t have to fight to speak. A moderator isn’t there to censor, (when done correctly) they’re there to ensure that everyone on the panel has an equal opportunity to speak.
Also they clip so many conversations down to the most basic statements. It’s not even interesting sometimes bc it’s clear they edit out the actual debate parts of some questions. They should release unedited footage.
Debate is like war. Let it be and see who wins in this game.
@@Justin-yt7piNo it’s not. Debate SHOULD be about analyzing the facts (they also URGENTLY need a fact checker) and critically assessing the opinions expressed, without people talking past or yelling angrily at each other. War is the last thing everyone needs.
the topics/talking points seem so vague and are just blankstatements instead of statements that can be debated. "i have lost someone in war" these just seem like agreeable statements. of course both israel and palestine supporters have lost people, how is that a talking point? what can be debated? these topics aren't even starting the conversations that could potentially lead to a middle ground. seems like we are purposely avoiding the harsh conversations for feelings sake. if we want each side to truly attempt to understand each other we have to push boundaries and stop being scared to debate.
They clearly moderate and edit out the moderation. They do this on purpose to have the effect of humans sitting around a dinner table and being able to talk.
"Objective truth doesn't have two sides. Objective truth is truth."
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
Do you condemn Hamas?
Out of all the middle ground topics and episodes jubilee should have moderated, this should have been one they needed to.
Yeah they moderate other middle ground episodes but not this one
no need for moderation, people can speak for themselves, all of them were wonderful
people can speak for themselves
@@radio-dadathe isreal side was constantly talking over and interrupting wuesitons
@@aidantarango5158 only because the palestinian side was invalidating everything the israelis said
Jubilee, you need to have someone fact checking things because we won't come to any conclusions at this rate.
Well guess what many historians who're themselves Jewish like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein are a nightmare for Zionists. Surprising how we all listen to Noam Chomsky on everything but reject him on this issue
Who started it?
7th - 1168 deaths, 600 civilians.
Preceded by
2008, "cast lead" operation, - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440.
2014, "protective edge" operation, 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492.
2008-2022 162,000+ Civilian Casualties.
Jubilee shouldn't be responsible for peoples own "research" jubilee are jsut interviews but may have misinterpreted what you said.
@@mznxbcv12345 it anything I'd say neither side started it. It would be either the UN for giving the land away or the neighbouring nations attacking israel on ints formation
@@mznxbcv12345 , the further you go back in history, the more muddled the righteous truth becomes. That's the problem.
I'm a Black christian dude from midwest USA. I feel like I don't really have a dog in the fight but, as a global citizen, I won't just dismiss this as something that is "just happening on the other side of the world". I want to understand both sides and not just accept what others tell me to think or ride on any bandwagons.
I've looked into this and it is pretty clear to me that Hamas is the issue and the Palestinians throughout their history don't seem to want to cohabitate peacefully with Israel and the Jews idk if it is because of religion or resentment but you can't be the aggressor then play the victim when Israel responds
@@joe2times381bro israel legit stole the land of the palestinian people.
It’s interesting cause black freedom fighters in the US have historically sided with Palestine! I believe that the issues they have gone through are similar to the plight of black people across the globe.
@@joe2times381it's because Zionists stole their land in1948 and kicked them out of their house. Google the Nakba
There are palestinian christians whose voices are ignored by west christian. Learn about Shireen abu akleh. Learn about her death and her chaotic funeral. Wallahu a'lam
1:00:40 Listen to this part and then look this up:
The ratio of civilian-to-military deaths in
1. All wars.
2: Israel/Gaza since October 7
This conflict has shown to me that people who have no idea what they're talking about really shouldn't speak. So many people think that they're so certain of a long term conflict because some influencer weighed in on their non historian opinion.
Thank you! I'm pulling my hair out because people are mind numbingly ignorant of history as they keep calling for genocide. Many of which don't realize that's what they are calling for. Even a little bit of reading on wikipedia would add so much context, but they can't be bothered to even do that much and just keep doubling down on stuff that they have no understanding of.
Doesn’t require a brain of newton to just be against ethnic cleasing genocide and colonialism ❤
And mostly it's leftists in the west who claim to be israel/palestine experts
Not really , the truth is Islam should be abolished no matter the cause
I'm not reading all that tbh Israel better js free Israel 🇮🇱🙌
interesting how women are labeled as "too emotional" to be leaders or whatever, yet here women were the ones most ready to listen to the other party while the men were bickering
I thought the women were incredible all around. And of the men, talal was great. It especially touched my heart when he mentioned that both Jews are Muslims are descendants of the same prophets and are brothers.
No one says that😂
@@JXekil_Ithere’s no need to lie. The few women that have been in power of a country have been scrutinized brutally for their presumed lack of emotional regulation before displaying anything to justify such a statement.
@@Duckduckobtusegoose wdym lie, I’m not lying😂. Can you give me more than one example where people have acted in such a way? I’m not a liar, maybe I’m just uneducated, but you can determine that by proving me wrong.
@@JXekil_Ijust because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t real, the world doesn’t revolve around you
That was so amazing. Thank you so much for bringing this together! 🙏
Do you condemn Hamas?
maybe a one state solution where the government isn't ruled by religion and people have freedom to practice any religion they want, the land can be named the holy land, obviously easier said then done
While this discussion was very interesting and complex, the moderation of this debate was nonexistent. I was genuinely confused with everyone speaking at the same time during certain prompts.
I think that they didn’t moderate so as not to, whether consciously or subconsciously, indicate a bias. Any moderation would have taken away from the free-flowing exchange and made it seem as if the media outlet had a specific perspective.
yup I was surprised the moderator just let that happen
@@juliekennedy9891 They do it with every other video though
@@juliekennedy9891 Asking people to talk one at a time, instead of at the same moment, isn't showing bias. It's called taking turns, we learn this as adolescents.
That’s what I liked about it. Imagine if Shawnee and talal could be the leaders of Israel and Palestine, life would be beautiful.
The "according to the law" discourse doesn't work. It's used to try and protect Israel, but it's never followed. Greatest example is all the international laws that Israel has violated against Palestine. If the international laws aren't being followed, how can you say your national laws are?
yup
lol oh its international law you say?? hamas is great at international law huh??
@@estabanfiesta3806why is it that we should condemn hamas but not the IDF?
Human shields?
18000 palastenians died only 100 of them were members of hamas
That means every 15 hamas fighters hide behind 2700 civilians....weird ratio isn't it?
we in argentina have a saying which goes ''made the law, made the trick''
@@estabanfiesta3806 But isn't Hammas the evil people, with your logic then the IDF are just terrorists like Hammas!
I like how civil it was until the people who hadn’t lost anyone showed up.
Do you condemn Hamas?
@@chrisdawson1776 do you condemn your motha
@@kenaluk557 Grow up
@@chrisdawson1776 you first
@@stonecoldattitudeera You have no soul.
I am from Europe. Understand the struggle from both sides. But this video is so powerful! It explains very well that both sides individual persons are hurt…
I wish to all off you all the best!
And I always wondered; why is nato not blamed for the root problem? 🤷🏼♀️
Do you condemn Hamas?
Not sure if people here can relate, but we need an episode with Indians and Pakistanis. I’m sure a lot of the south Asians would be interested to see that.
That would be interesting to me and I'm from the UK and mixed white and black.
I agree wholeheartedly.
No we don’t need an Indian and Pakistani episode 😂 pls I’m an Pakistani and pls don’t put us next to Indian. We don’t want anything to do with yall indian, leave US PAKISTANIS ALONE.
Nah 😂 u can’t compare Israel Palestine with Pakistan and india . Very different and we Pakistanis don’t want anything to do wit y’all Indians
Include Kashmiris in there too to be fair in that
Without any fact checking or moderation in discourse, how would Jubilee ever breakthrough anything substantial with topics like these? I hope they see the feedback and take that into consideration!
Who started it?
7th - 1168 deaths, 600 civilians.
Preceded by
2008, "cast lead" operation, - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440.
2014, "protective edge" operation, 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492.
2008-2022 162,000+ Civilian Casualties.
The goal isn’t to break through to find any truth. The goal is to get views and comments, which is precisely why they don’t moderate. And hey, it worked, here we are.
lol for real, and that one girl says she can't go on facebook daily because she will see lists of people dying... like HOW. its in the statistics@@mznxbcv12345
@@mznxbcv12345so are you suggesting hamas was justified on October 7th because of something that happened TEN YEARS earlier? If so was Israel justified because of something In 2005?
2008-2022 162,000+
numbers of the 7th was a statistical error lol save porcine tears for someone else.
This is by far one of my favorite Middle Ground Episodes, it helped me to see both sides of the story. It totally humanized both sides. Thank you to all that spoke on this issue. Amen to all people and all peace.
Do you condemn Hamas?
@@chrisdawson1776 Is this a joke to you? Have some humanity
@@almahi1773 If you have humanity, you will condemn Hamas.
@@chrisdawson1776 well obviously, but you kinda sound like you’re cynical about it, instead of actually mean it
@@almahi1773 Is English your tenth language?
I just love the ending, thanks everyone sitting on that round table for embracing empathy. I hope this conflict ends soon. Sending love to everyone reading.
Do you condemn Hamsa?
@@chrisdawson1776 Do you condemn Netanyahu 🤡
Thank you all for telling your stories, despite how hard it looked to do so. I pray for an end to this conflict and peace for your families
its not a conflict its genocide
if only it were a conflict
@@muniramajor7597this word seems to have been watered down over the past couple months.
And yet you still dont get it@@Liyyaxx
Nga idgaf Israel better 🇮🇱🙌
When Ariel said that Hamas are monsters, terrorists and ANIMALS, but Netanyahu’s government are just people… That just made my jaw drop. Dehumanization at its finest.
Exactly. He was hugely hypocritical.
Yesss the hypocrosy
Netanyahu doesn’t order his soldiers to film themselves raping people at Gaza concerts
Hamas are TERRORISTS! They are no different from U/S Gangs like the crips and bloods. Snap out of it!
That’s not what majority of Israelis feel - and I speak of that as one and who lived in Israel
Just wow! Absolutely incredible conversation. Thank you.
Do you condemn Hamas?
My search for 'What is Zionism?' brought me here, and I must say that I was thoroughly engrossed.
I'm a London born Nigerian that has always heard about Israel, Palestine, Hamas, Zionism (all other buzzwords included in this topic) but never looked into it (because I never had to).
But watching this really made it hit home why this is such a passionately debated topic on both sides.
Just a view from an outsider looking in, even before the vet mentioned *we are puppets* , I was asking 'why are they arguing amongst themselves when it seems to me western inclusion is the problem?'
It was even more confusing when the question about 'relying on social media and news' came up and no one sat down. I was telling myself 'but news outlets are run by those that fund this and want to see both factions at war, so at least one person should sit; but also a few of you mentioned that you communicate via Whatsapp groups (aka social media) about what is happening, so you should rely more on social media as at least you have control of the info you get, as opposed to being drip fed bias rhetoric from news outlets you cannot control'.
That was just my oversimplified thoughts in which I meant no harm with.
May peace be upon all the innocent involved.
This was stressful 😅. Wish everyone could’ve seen more than just 30%~ (we spoke for over 4 hours easily). Unfortunately, there were so many important points and discussions that people are not going to get to see. Either way, I appreciate the opportunity to share my life perspective and experience. Thanks to all of the people spreading love. ❤
I’m glad you had the opportunity to talk about your side’s perspective. I may not agree with everything everyone said, but watching this video helps me develop a better understanding of where everyone is coming from. It’s great to watch you in this video.
I don’t understand why they would not just upload the entire episode, maybe in two parts or something. This is such an important conversation
They need to release the full video!!
@@WickedWestCreations I’ll make a RUclips video about it soon!
You were really trying to be patient and it is understandable. The amount of trauma the Palestinians went and still are going through till this day is unimaginable. The fact that one of the Israelis mentioned partying (seems like parties and music festivals are a frequent thing over there) while Palestinians are barely living a stable life just says it all. It is clear from this interview and after seeing other interviews with Israelis (in parks, the beach and mall) that they're living a much more privilaged life with many of them not knowing anything about politics or history.
Sending hope, strength, love and support from Jordan
Not directly related to the topic, but I think it's nice that there's a table that people can sit at now. It's different than the other videos but it's nice to see people relax behind a table and it's literally going with the phrase, "a seat at the table".
It’s a start for sure
Even in the Israeli-Palestine Middle Ground video from 5 years ago, they all sat at a table and then shared a meal at the end. It was beautiful
I can't believe that the second question ended with a statement riddle with such misinformation. "We have always offered peace but you have always been the aggressors."
They have, but they want more than just the gaza strip for obvious reasons
@@zerog1037 Do you condemn Hamas?
When they all hugged at the end, it made me cry.
Do you condemn Hamas?
@@chrisdawson1776 no
@@user-rw6fj5qc8k Why?
Its odd to say Israel isnt more supported in the west when our government just recently equated criticizing Zionism to antisemitism.
Smart people support Palestine. Idiots support israel
Chanting 'by any means' for sure does sound antisemitic to any reasonable person
amongst the people, there are alot of people on either side.
@@Chugor8361 I said more supported not completely. I'm not denying the existence of antisemitic people in the west or in the pro-Palestinian movement but its certain not the majority of protesters and they should still be given the freedom to criticize a government thats committing atrocities just like people are free to condemn Hamas without it being anti-palestinian.
Yeah our government has a relationship with Israel, but the media and prominent figures are more supportive of Palestine.
Ariel was completely wrong about his comment on Palestinians standing a fair trial. Palestinians of the occupied West Bank, are not citizens of Israel. Thus in Zone B, or Zone C, where the Israeli military has legal and de facto military control, when the military arrests Palestinian Arabs they are arrested and treated like military subjects. And thus not awarded the same legal rights as an Israeli citizen, who would be arrested in Israel. It is estimated that there are over 1200 Palestinians, who are held in Israeli prisons without trial.
This video was full of bios.
Hes an insane person for saying that. At least she was like "that is the rule of the land but maybe not the reality". Palestinians constantly protest this. Families speak to outlets all the time about their loved ones being taken away.
could you give me your source for the last your last statement
I have some facts below, and have cited sources, although it is up to you if you want to believe them:
“500-700 children are detained by Israeli Forces every year. Around 13,000 have been arbitrarily detained, interrogated, tried in military courts and imprisoned since 2000, with thousands detained before this date.”
Source: Defence for Children International - Palestine.
“Research by ‘Save the Children’ found that Palestinian minors in Israeli detention endured physical, emotional and s*xual abuse. These children were often arrested at night and blindfolded with their hands and feet tied. 86% said they had been beaten, 69% said they had been strip-searched. Children reported being interrogated at unknown locations without a lawyer or parent present.”
Source: Save the Children.
“Israel allows minors to be prosecuted in military courts, which may accept confessions obtained by coercion or torture.
500-700 children are tried in military courts in Israel every year, the most common charge is stone-throwing, which can a prison sentence of up to 20 years.”
Source: Defence for Children International - Palestine.
To maintain some of the autonomy, Palestinians have their own legal system that handles all crimes that are not security-related. For security-related crimes, Palestinians are trailed by a legal entity under the Israeli military.
If you judge Palestinians in Israel's normal justice system, this is de facto annexation of the West Bank. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want Israel to annex the Occupied Territories?
This is not done to hurt Palestinians, and being trailed in military court doesn't mean you get an unfair trial. This is simply done to avoid annexation.
1:01:08 why should we risk our lives is a crazy statement…. The people in Palestine are risking their life just breathing and living there on a daily basis.
There are agencies in Canada selling West Bank homes to any bidder and the Palestinian home owners have no Idea their homes are for sell....How bad can it get?
Do you condemn Hamas?
Why do the Israel advocates keep saying “anti-Jewish” instead of “anti-Israeli”
Read the Hamas and PLO/Fatah Charters!!! Then you'll understand!!
they conflate the two constantly
@@shainazion4073 Have you?!
@@shainazion4073 i read the charter and it clearly talks about zionists u need to read em instead of parroting
@@hypatiaalex Polly want a cracker?
Ive Never been this nervous clicking on a Jubilee video
💣 🔪 🔥 😂😂😂
Usually I’m expecting a mess but this is not the mess I want to see
and somehow this was the most mature conversation that has taken place from the other ones i did watch out of interest
Its insane to me how these people really think they are just "defending themselves" and are never the aggressors.
They are just obvlivious to the decades and decades of nonstop aggressive Israeli policy. They really believe they are the ones getting attacked. Its so sad and frustrating.
Because we are getting attacked and the fact that you are denying it is what makes some of us extremists.
And what policies would those be?
sooo what is the purpose of this episode if your not going to show the statistics and the sources of what both sides were stating? ur not giving the audience any opportunity to understand the depth of what they are talking about and the FACTS /TRUITH
Do you condemn Hamsa?
It’s showing how people that aren’t politically involved talk about this. You can fact check 😭😂
we need a video with pro-palestine and pro-israel jews! it would be so interesting.
Followed by a video with pro-Israel Arabs and pro-Palestine Arabs.
and one with arabs
Yes! That would definitely be an interesting episode
Plsss😊
It would be boring a convo between nationalists and traitors
Jonah’s comment to Talal while they were hugging in the last few seconds of the video during the b-roll saying “if you were born Jewish you’d be me, and if I were born Palestinian, I’d be you” was probably the most simple, insightful and empathetic comment I’ve ever heard.
There are/were Jewish Palestinians too
That point of view is the best place to re start these kinds of conversations. I don't expect the governments to do that, but someone has to.
All the Palestinian supporters here were Arabs and all the Israeli supporters in this are Jewish. Just two sides trying to protect their families, as simple as that
You mean Israeli, not Jewish
Not true real jews are pro palestine its against their religion to have a country called israel
All they have is hamas hamas and 1400 ppl recently died. not considering the much larger ratio and 75yrs of oppressing coming from them.
You call it oppression but when every single resource sent to Gaza is then stolen and used to fund and support a terror campaign against Israel you tend to want to limit what goes in. If the aid was used to legitimately better the lives of Gazans instead to being taken and used to fund terror there wouldn't be an issue.
The direct question that I did not hear: “What would each side do to heal the other side? “.(Solutions)
It’s also interesting that Biblical brothers Ismael and Issac were mentioned. Abraham their father gave them both separate lands because he knew they would be at odds. Separate but equal nations.
If youre not willing to listen, you shouldnt be on this show. Many people seem to be here not to listen or find middle ground, but to instead convice the other side. Regardless of who you support, always be open to discussion and facts.
I agree, they shouldn't be allowed to speak over each other either, it's a blatant lack of respect. Ariel repeatedly interrupted everyone else, even when he didn't really have anything to add to the conversation other than 'I don't believe that'. If I was organizing debates like these I wouldn't allow people to interrupt each other from either side, maybe there's one microphone, and each person takes turns, perhaps politely raise their hand to speak next if they have something else to add. Its a respect issue and it's a practical issue. This is supposed to be a discussion, and I can't understand anything being said in the moments where there are 2,3, or 4 people talking over each other, all at once.
You can't fecking get middle ground when people are debating genocide.
@@andysplants I agree, Ariel and Gus from the Palestine side kept interrupting. They weren't there to find middle ground.
@@stinkygremlin267My thoughts exactly, sometimes one side is just wrong
@@andysplantshe was insufferable the entire time.
Anyone from the Palestinian side: “kids are dying…”
Ariel: NO. NOT TRUE. KHAMAS! KHAMAS! My goodness.
I would also want to see Non-Israeli and Non-Palestinian people to talk about same topic in order to see the effect of media. Also thank you all for sharing your personal experiences it really helped empathizing with all of you.
Yesssss I totally agree
That is exactly what all of them were agreeing we DO NOT need! There are already too many non jews, non Palestinians, people who have no stake in this, people who have no education in this, giving their two cents. It is not needed.
No, really unnecessary and childish. They have nothing to do with the war
@@almog7337 what do you mean? There are millions of non Palestinian people who support palestine. What's childish about that
This already happens in media and there is a lot of it. You have jordan peterson, Owen Jones, Peirs morgan ironically with all the RUclipsrs reacting to his interview clips, and many more examples.
As a Californian, it's extremely offensive to listen to an israeli talk about how my taxes funded their desal plant while my state has been in a drought for 15 years.
"American media is not anti-palestinian" they said hind was a woman....
As I see people hating on one another, I understand why this problem keeps recurring generation after generation. Family members are passing it on.
Do you condemn Hamas?
How is she saying Israel doesn't control the water situation, when their government itself openly state how they shut it off?
The PWA (Not PAW as she said), only provides 6% of the water in Gaza as far as I can see when I search it up. And the PWA buys it from Israel, so that is not in any way an argument to suggest Israel doesn't control the water supply to Gaza.
The main thing PWA does is allocating the water that is already in Gaza, they don't control how much is able to get into Gaza. THAT is what Israel controls
Many sources any be in Hebrew (for Israeli sources) or Arabic and that may be a reason you can’t find more information on it and the speaker in the video was able to find more information.
Aybe ask yourself why dont they have water in first place? How do they have missiles, weapons, tons of tunnels and money for all the above, but not basic infrastructure? They want israel to help? Then ok they help.
But its not their responsibility especially not in war
@@user-vp8cr2uh4k They have missiles because they smuggle them in and/or built them in Gaza. They probably have smuggled some food and water into Gaza, however Israel controls the entire strip. Every money that comes officially to Gaza, has first to go through Israel. Every food that comes to or out of Gaza has to be approved by Israel. Egypt also follows Israel commands.
Even crazier before oct 7th, Israel had controlled the calorie intake for the population and limits entry of imports to below average needs for humans. Obviously Gaza also provides some of the food for their people, but generally they have to rely on Israel, because they control their every border.
As an occuppying force, they are also obliged to keep the occupied party nourished or else it again is considered a war crime under international law. They obviously can lift the almost 20yr siege of Gaza and let them get food and water from other sources.
Also did you know that Israel steals the water from the west bank and sells a limited amount back to them? Israelis have approx. 4 times the amount of water than the people in the west bank.
Gaza receives the most aid out of anywhere in the world. They get hundreds of millions of dollars every year. Where is the water infrastructure, where did the money go?
@@user-vp8cr2uh4k Its not a war in the first place Its a genocide
He legit said throwing a rock is terrorism 😂 y’all can’t be fr. A child throwing a rock is terrorism.
😂 my reaction says it all
They’re insane
After he said that, I couldn’t take him serious
They're taught that arabs and palestinians are their natural enemy..
😂 exactly!
That former Israel soldier always complaining about how tough and horrible it was to be deployed Gaza. How does he think the oppressed people living in Gaza feel. 😑
Do you condemn Hamas?
@@chrisdawson1776 loser get a life
Much better than he does that's for sure.
They are oppressed by Hamas, whom they voted for.
all you guys and girls, kudos to you all,, you all were biting your tongues and still had respect for each other.. you all have something to say, but i respect you all for your kindness, no one on that table is nasty. your all human and showing the love from both sides,, its a hard debate, but i like the way these shows are made and it shows other countries an insight to the real feelings from the people, rather than the mainstream media news showing there division of hate,
Jubilee should really fact check everything that's being talked about
No need. Everything has been said here is already out there and everyone knows about it
Jubilee can't manage to be objective. They've tried before, but it ends in footnotes at the bottom of the screen that HEAVILY favor one side and mock the other, that are usually not needed at all.
@@ImGonnaFuckaPokemon69 what I’m saying is, they should put the unbiased facts on screen, like they’ve done in some of their other middle ground videos
The problem is a lot of fact checkers are owned by the media that only pushes propoganda . I’ve seen them take a fact and screw one small detail to then say it was false. They are very manipulative. I almost feel like people on the ground are more accurate than all media.
@@dimbulb2959 He answered you. when they try to fact check they often end up putting up footnotes that favor one side. It's hard to be objective so they just give perspective.
which I think is fair enough
I respect the way Jinan kept her composure even when she was constantly being interrupted. I don’t think I could have been that patient 👏🏼
I totally agree, that was frustrating.
same with shawnni every time she was trying to speak she would only be given 2 seconds before someone would interrupt her and it infuriated me just let everyone have their time to speak their part before everyone just jumps in.
@@kalebowman3649shawni literally told lies on top of lies
@@mystery8207 same w Ariel 😭 like 40 beheaded babies isn’t even true. And the babies in ovens were actually Palestinians.
@@kalebowman3649no she was the one who spoke the most she even went on for a whole minute and lied about Israel not controlling Gaza’s water supply
"If you were born Jewish, you would have been me. If I was born Palestinian, I would have been you."
probably the most important thing to have been said in the entire video, yet it's only in the end. Goes to show how important it is to have these conversations and to truly see how human these so-called "enemies" are. We're all just brothers in foreign clothing.
Palestinians: "We feel like we're being ethnically cleansed."
Israelis: "We feel like the main characters in an action movie."
Abhorrent.
I'm trying to understand why so many people are dying and suffering, and why people are actually supporting war. It's all for land?
the guy saying “nah that’s not true” when she was literally telling a personal story?? At 11:56 like how dare you ??
What proof does she have? People lie, especially Muslims.
especially lol. Which Muslim country have you lived in? What Muslim friends do you have? Do you have personal evidence? I lived in malaysia, saudi, UK, and Qatar. Get to know Muslims in real life, not media. My American teacher lived in Qatar for 7 years and she said Muslims/ Arabs are one of the kindest people. She expected to stay for only 1 or 2 years but she stayed for 7 @@Nollic15
Crackhead was lying
People lie, especially to prove their point. She can be lying... who knows. He is saying there are laws in place, people don't just go to jail without proper reasoning.
@@naylisyazwina6836 How are UK and Malaysia relevant lol? They aren't fully Muslim countries like Saudi or Qatar.
I'm so glad Jubilee released another video on this. The biggest takeaway I have from this video is that empathy/compassion should be at the forefront, and that education is power. I'm going to be doing a lot more independent research and critical thinking about this situation because I have to take ownership of my education.
I completely agree with you. I feel that alot of the information being spread is one sided, so you can't fully take a standpoint if what you are taking in is already provided in a state of bias. I will definitley have to do more research to fully be able to undestand the situation at hand. But even so I believe I could not take one side because both have their reasons, as shown in the video, both sides feel wronged so we cannot deny those feelings. Hopefully this situation gets better. best wishes to both sides.
there last round table on this was ridiculously offensive
how so?@@jackpumkinhead9583
@@soulyelos It a thousand-year-plus history beginning with the birth of Jacob and
Ishmael (which they mention in the video). It is a very very complicated history. Even when you know the history, it doesn't at all clear up the truth of it all.
@@sueblack5794Its so annoying when influencers try to take a stand on this when people with phd's dont even know everything. its a very long history
Really enjoyed this. We need more of this. Obviously there was much animosity here but it was heartwarming to see they could agree and empathize with each other on many things. Really thought Jinan and Shawnni were the most level headed and willing to talk and listen of the group.
Do you condemn Hamas?
Why don’t we get Israelis and Palestine people that were ACTUALLY in the war?
All of the Pro-Israeli side except Jonah are Israelis. You can hear it in their accents as well
Can you try keeping a speakers list in future episodes? I get that you might not want to actively moderate certain discussions because they're so heated that you want to avoid the perception (or reality) of bias. A speakers list is a widely used tool in meetings that ensures only one person speaks at a time but still allows everyone the chance to speak.
You mean like only the person holding the ball can talk kinda situation?
@@Random-sk6hmpretty much but more professional
Speakers list isn’t suitable for debates that invoke emotions connected to personal tragedies and self determination. It’s fine for e.g a climate debate, not this
Last time I checked throwing a rock should not be grounds for terrorism I mean that's ridiculous I mean if you think that way you are immoral and ignorant
exactly! Israel is also the only country in the world that punishes children in military court.
I was like whattttt the F*
Yeah like what ??? That's not normal
@@lybakhan6246 because those children are carrying bombs and stabbing people.
the way he just called her a liar to her face too...
That dude trying to disqualify someone else based on how they grew up is completely disingenuous.
Whether many wanna believe it or not … that land belongs to the Jews. They were exiled for a period of time and returned after that time while other groups were living there. Still … still the land belongs to the Jews, it’s their inheritance.
The history of that land is all laid out in the Bible.
You must never use the Bible to justify crap ever again. Dont
to say american media doesnt have a israeli bias is ridiculous. there has always been an israeli bias
💯
Pro Israel people are so delusional about western countries media.
just like there has been on the other side... like, im almost sure that both sides agreed on that...
@@luismartins1713 you can't have bias on both sides. there is more favoritism for the israeli side in american media
That is so not true! The American media keeps reporting things that are unbiased and apologising for their mistakes. They always rush to blame
I know this discussion is about how the two sides see and experience the situation, but I still think it would have been important to have a fact checker go over many statements. They could have just put a little fact check banner on top with a source every time someone made a broad or strong statement. For example I don't think Shawnni deliberately lied about anything but I'd like to read more about the water issues in Gaza.
I couldn't agree more
But who's facts because even then they'll say oh that not true especially if it is someone from Palestine
Then the video will magically be removed from youtube and Jubilee will suddenly be pushed into oblivion.
Facts are not allowed where zionists are involved.
some things can't be fact checked
@@Robzabest25if you have two people, one who is saying that it is raining and the other who says it isn't your job is not to quote both but look out the window, there is picture, video and personal stories proving how Israel is in control of how much water is allowed into gaza, and they provide less then the bare minimum requirement
I think this needs to be broken up a bit because it is such a huge conversation and at the moment everyone is at loggerheads and also have a discussion of what they want the future to be. What does their ideal future look like in terms of Israel and Gaza? Are both still there? What do they want the end of the war to look like?
There is so much hurt on each side. To get to a middle ground they need to talk about what the future is going to be not how much they hurt. Which is so hard because it is still going on and it is traumatic on both sides. They have seen horrible things and there is so much pain and anger.
To be truthful the war will not stop until both sides agree on a ceasefire, which won't happen until all hostages are released and they talk. Israel won't stop until they get all their people back and Gaza won't stop fighting Israel until Israel withdraws from Gaza which won't happen until they get the hostages. It's a viscous cycle that won't stop until people on both sides stand up and say enough.
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