Should Men Have A Say? Pro vs Anti Abortion Teens | Middle Ground
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0:00 intro
0:26 I have had unprotected sex
10:26 I have had an abortion
28:33 I'd rather abort a child than put them through the foster care system
37:34 Parents should be informed if their teen is seeking an abortion 
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No matter where you stand on the topic of abortion, it’s a difficult and vulnerable conversation to have, and we want to give a shoutout to our cast for being brave enough to share their experiences in this episode ❤️
are these teens or ?? one of them said that they were married
@@cozypm I would say they’re young adults cause i think all of them are out of high school and in college
It is not difficult to understand that we do not decide for another persons body.
keep their legs closed and they wont need abortions
@@cozypm probably 18-20
For that woman to have no job and carrying a baby to talk down on people not wanting a child is INSANEEEE
FOR REALLLLL
Why though
@@NonStopParis because she doesn’t understand the mental and physical toll it takes on women who don’t have the luxury of depending on someone to take care of them while being pregnant . she has the choice to not work while some women don’t.
And then saying it’s okay cause they’ve created resources for young mothers. Girl I get what I think you’re meaning but that comes across as yea if teens wanna have babies they should and here is who will help
@@skyemadisyn163 yeah exactly it doesn’t matter how much help is out there and what people can give you, if you don’t want a child that’s it you don’t want a child.
Constance needs to realize not everyone wants a child, especially if they’ve been raped
and the rape victim who said that every raped victim should keep the baby.
Being raped is a horrible situation, but it's not the baby's fault whether the mother *wants* to bring it to term or not. The baby should still have rights in that situation. It's a terrible, dark situation for the mother: It makes my blood boil. They 10000% get the short end of the stick (to put it lightly), but there's no need to make it even more horrifying by ending the innocent baby's life.
She was so rude
Rape, incest are less than 1% of abortions. Look it up. Most of the time it’s just people who aren’t responsible. I will debate anyone who is pro choice and I will win because 90% of y’all aren’t educated you just listen to what social media tells you.
@@44EricRH44 The baby doesn’t have rights. The mother gets to choose.
The way Constance tried to guilt Alexandra about her abortion even after she stated she mourned that unborn baby's life by saying " You know it had a heartbeat." is so low.
I really don't think she was guilting her. Alexandra said her baby wasn't a living thing, and Constance pointed out that having a heartbeat is a really hard-to-argue point of being a living thing.
@@samuelleyimu8218 there are multiple qualities that a being must possess to be considered living. having a heartbeat is not enough.
@@salexxbrown1985that’s opinion, for me it’s conception, that happens after fertilization witch 96% of scientists agree on, it’s opinion, so ur point?
@@donutpete The point is it's up the woman herself. You think its a human at conception, they think its a human way later down the pregnancy. And you said it yourself, its an opinion, so they get to chose if they want an abortion or not. And you can't control someone's life. You may think it's human, but it's barely a human. It doesn't feel, doesn't think, doesn't see, or hear, it doesn't have emotions, it doesn't have a conscience, it doesn't have morals, and all these things define what a human is. And that clump of cells you have in your stomach at the beginning of pregnancy has none of it. So whether you think it's human or not, is completely irrelevant. Because at the end of the day, it's not YOUR BODY, so you don't get to control them.
@@guccimane8310so is a miscarriage not a person when it passed away ?
Hearing Wylan share that she was groomed and raped by a family member and then Constance responding with the phrase "people get into the situation of pregnant" is absolutely repulsive.
To me it came off as, she was a willing participant rather than someone who was r*****.
We throw that r word out there way too much. She wasn't r**ped. She said she was groomed but a willing participant.
@@KoolAidSquirt No she was groomed
@@gretawishnow8930 no I’m saying that she explained it that way. Not that, that’s what’s happened.
@@KoolAidSquirt And what's that you are adding to the conversation with that statement? That maybe when she was a child it didn't feel like rape because she didn't know better? What?
it literally sickened me how constance talked to alexandra. when she was describing her abortion, how she was grieving, and how it felt for her, and then constance cut her off and said “did you know that a baby has a heartbeat at 5 weeks?”. there was absolutely not respect towards her, which is just sad.
She just has little sympathy for child killers. She will understand nuance as she gets older hopefully
That’s just plain misinformation at 5 weeks if you are able to see a heart beat it is actually a group of around 200 cells and it is around 4-5 mm across, calling this a “baby” is wrong scientifically.
Constance probably somehow unconsciously regret her decision to marry so young and being pregnant so she talked down to the others to make her feel better
“did you know that the thing can fart at 1 week ?"
@@aidanaldrich7795aborting a fetus does not make one a child killer 😂
Constance shaming the other women is just absolutely tragic.
Constance the best.
It should be shamed
@@Lansso1You mean Cuntstance?
@@user-tn2pz7ze2oWhat should be shamed is deciding to have a kid, despite having no job and not being able to provide to that kid. EXTREMELY selfish and disgusting in my opinion.
So everyone should agree with you?
constance was genuinely insufferable and made this vid nearly impossible to finish 😭how can someone have so little empathy
That's the nucleus of the anti-abortion public. They lack empathy and they don't know better.
Womp womp
yeah i had to stop watching half way cus i couldn’t stand her
@@u235x00who
Because abortion is wrong. You can't really empathize with a mu-rder-3r.
The way Constance berated Alexandra after she told such a vulnerable story was so disgusting. You don't have to agree but she is still human and went through an incredibly difficult time. It shows more and more how anti-abortion people do not take into account the experience and well-being of the mother. I'm so impressed by how well spoken Alexandra was after being so disgustingly attacked because I would have been sobbing.
Ironically, the fetus was a person too. Imagine that.
having a vulnerable story doesn’t make you exempt from being wrong
@@mjlawnscapingllc3873 sadly a fetus is not a person ,kid , baby or a child .you have to prove personhood without it a fetus has no rights .
@@TrexGrimStud Humans are humans at whatever stage of life their at, life begins at contraception
Its so ironic that you call her human, when she won't even call the life she murdered that. Wow.
They should have a Pro Abortion Doctor vs. Anti Abortion Doctor episode
THIS.
This would be a great idea
I think it is a phylosophical topic rather than a scientific one. Therefore, that would be better to have two philosophers debating than two doctors.
@@marblepeaches did you have to switch to your alts to upvote yourself. sad.
We need Mama Doctor Jones on that one!
Pro choice is not pro abortion. It means that whatever you choose, I will support you.
...even if it's abortion. Which is why you are pro-abortion
@@aidanaldrich7795 respecting having a baby and respecting having an abortion can coexist.
But you are pro woman having the ability to have abortion legally. Therefore pro abortion. That doesn’t mean you are saying every woman should have an abortion just that you are perfectly fine if they do.
@@jmw8183it very much depends on the circumstances and reasons for having one, if it is the result of and to further one’s own promiscuity then I will have zero respect for you, and that is one of the more common reasons.
No it is absolutely pro abortion.
there whole convo about how “raped women’s children are the same as everyone else’s children” rubbed me sooo wrong . yes the fetus might be a normal kid, but you know how truamtizing it would be to be the mom seeing ur rapist face in ur kid every single day. i’m a firm believer on if you want to be pro life, be pro life for YOURSELF. you can still be pro choice and personally / morally be pro life.
That doesn’t mean he/she shouldn’t be alive
@@domg0714"shouldn't be alive"? No one believes that someone born of rape shouldn't be alive, obviously that's not on them. We just believe people shouldn't be forced to give birth to their rapist's babies. Those are two different things
@@pinkmama6077do you know every raped mother? Don’t speak for an entire group of people cause there are plenty of those who do.
And the fact of not having any choice there,like,you didn’t choose to be raped
Well not as much as seeing the rapist in the kids face because the face is the mothers too but it’s more like rape is traumatizing for a mother and that mothers trauma can reflect on the kid.
I feel like the people who say “there are resources” have never actually tried to get help from resources.
There are resources. Coming from a a mother who was struggling. There is a lot of help out there. You have to be willing to find it and do it.
women getting abortions dont try and look for help they use abortions as birth control
@@meganbrooks5332What if a woman still doesn't wanna give birth
@@12toroDon’t have sex
@@bethanyheyde805 Obviously I could say rape. But I wanna ask why should woman live there life in shame and never have sex for the risk of a clump of cells. That has less sentience that a pig.
I was shook when two of the teens immediately said they were married/engaged.
Religion lmao
Christians
They're adults...
@@Pumpkineata1 if there’s a “teen” in your age (for example: eighteen, nineteen) then you’re not really considered an adult just yet.
@@kayladrake9399 according to whom? In the eyes of the law and society, they are adults.
Constance had absolutely no empathy towards Alexandra while she was sharing one of her hardest experiences, on a public platform and she kept shutting people down dismissing their opinions. How rude
Why would she? Going through a hard experience doesn't justify her decisions and reasoning. That was her entire argument outside the usual silly bodily autonomy argument she made. Constance was immature but so was Alexandra, just in different ways. At least Constance made a couple solid points goinded in logic. Everything Alexandra said was grounded in selfishness.
It's really crazy that this country is arguing over a women's body.
@@milktocoffee They aren't, that is just the people who refuse to listen to the other side. Pro-life people are clearly arguing about not ending babies lives. To mention a woman's body is to say you aren't willing to have an honest conversation.
@@michaelrandall7667No talking* about a women’s health, body and righting into this conversation is to not have an honest conversation. I bet you lie just like that rude classless girl… making up stuff to fit your feelings😂
@@michaelrandall7667 no one agrees with you
The stark difference in the level of maturity and willingness to have an open discussion between Alexandra and Constance is like night and day.
When that guy said "im not in a financially stable situation to adopt." Bro was so close to the point but missed it 😭😭..
And the other group went, "OHHH!" I was kind of hoping they would circle back to that part.
Their reaction and the way they went "OHHH!" was so weird. It's not like he's the one taking the risks?
you could be the most cautious person in the world and still get r*ped. if someone chooses to participate in sex then that is their decision and the risk they chose to take. however, if you are r*ped and are not currently financially stable enough to take care of a baby, how is that your fault?
adoption is so so expensive though compared to having a baby naturally.
@@Crating are child victims taking a risk when they become pregnant?
People need to realize that basically NO ONE is "pro-abortion". Being pro-choice means the option to have one, thats it. If you don't want to get one, then dont.
exactly
If you have abortions that would make you pro-abortion.
Yeah , everyone aim is to reduce abortions.
except the pro choice needs to be before sex and not after you find out you're pregnant
In everything being pro something mean legalising it. You don’t need to own a gun to be pro-gun ownership. You don’t need to be an immigrant to be pro-immigration.
Constance is the kind of woman to get married straight out of high school, have a child, and not have an actual job🤣
Absolutely agreed like?
Being a mother isn’t an actual job? Lol.
@@sarahs.9678 It's a responsibility, but it's not an actual paying job. No.
Literally
@@sarahs.9678literally unpaid labor
Constance cannot have a conversation...she is so argumentative!
@@tigereye5272 There's a difference between an amicable debate and just rudely yelling over everyone.
In fairness, this is a group of teenagers, so it's not surprising to have at least one of them be incredibly rude, loud and disrespectful.
I have to agree. the repetitive talking (quite loudly but not screaming) over other people while they were trying to voice their thoughts just let me know I do not wanna be in a debate with her. All respect for her though for sharing her opinions, no matter how rude it personally seemed for other people.
@@tigereye5272 Exactly. There's a lot of cope going on in this comments section.
@@tigereye5272It’s not what you say, it’s HOW you say it. All of their arguments are valid, notice how they’re not being disrespectful to anyone else? She needs to take notes.
@@tigereye5272 That’s the point of this debate/discussion lol. For 2 opposing sides to bring up points they see as valid to support their argument 😭 Ofc they disagree, hence why they’re not on the same side on this topic.
"so are you going to adopt it? I assume you will" "no, thats not a fair argument-" SHE ATE THAT
The question was just to snap back at him. Because he was anti abortion doesn’t mean he’s going to adopt.
As an adopted child myself, I proudly support adoption. I wish more people would do it and embrace it.
And when he said “I’m not financially or mentally ready (to adopt)”
That was just the icing on the cake 😂
There are 36 waiting adoptive parents for every newborn. She "ate" absolutely nothing.
i keep seeing this number but i can’t find any source that includes an actual study. can you cite your source? other than a website that just uses this stat, an actual survey or study.
I was shook when that young woman told her story of being molested and that anti choice lady responded with "but there are resources"
The literally don't gaf
@@satellitestargazer2770you don’t gaf about the babies life. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@overlordfemto7523💯
@@overlordfemto7523nope
@@aprilroel the aborted one.
After hearing how irresponsible, ignorant human being constanse is... I'm seriously terrified for her upcoming child
Agree
How was she irresponsible? She was spitting facts the entire 45 mins...
@@tinytannia real
@@tinytanniai agree. I liked her
@@tinytanniabesides what she was actually saying it was just disrespectful to constantly(ironic lol) cut people off and the chuckling
OMG Constance is EXHAUSTING
Almost as bad as Blossom.
The woman version. A little less aggressive and annoying 😂😂
And irritating
Alexandra was a champion. She was so brave to share her stories. she delt with some others absolutely shading and bringing her down. She also helped the group stop arguing by like switching topics. I hope she’s doing very well.
More of a loser
its crazy how insensitive constance was. imagine a girl talking about her experience and getting teary eyed and then throwing the heartbeat thing in her face. smh
and when she told daphne about how she "starved" her fetus like HUH???
Don’t have an abortion and people won’t be able to make you feel bad about it. Simple
Constance doesn’t care about feelings it’s about science
Its crazy how someone can take an innocent human life. Especially when it's their own offspring
@@carsonmyers3216It’s a clump of cells, your 20 jerk off sessions a day are all potential children wasted too btw.
it’s so insane to me how you can listen to a harrowing story about someone being groomed, raped etc and still even have room in your brain to argue with them about why they had their abortion?!? literally has me thinking those people are psychopathic
Exactly like clearly you are lacking some empathy.
and then they have the nerve to talk about the inhumanity of abortions, ironic
Neither are wrong. There's truth in what both are saying. However, they are looking at the situation from totally different vantage points. One is looking at it as " I'll have to carry a baby by a person who violated me", and the other is looking it as "Though the child was conceived through ill means. It doesn't make it any less worthy of life than a child she actually wanted. Also, it wouldn't make the trauma from that experience any less than it already is". That's what I'm taking from what they're saying.
@@Jseagle1989if something dies it dies you call someone deceased once they are out of the belly but when the baby is in the belly they have different terms for when it dies why is that?
When I say different terms I mean stillbirth and miscarriage which depend on the amount of weeks it had lived
Braedons experience in the foster care system makes me definately feel I would rather have an abortion over putting a kid through that. His argument did the opposite of what he wanted.
The hypocrisy at 32:00 is INSANE. "It's a long process, I have the CHOICE to become a parent" is something insane to say while arguing against abortion
Exactly. You had the choice to keep your child. That’s what PRO CHOICE is. It isn’t “all people get abortions now” but it’s “you can choose to become a mother”
Okay but there is a difference. He isnt obligated because isnt with child. When your pregnant, there really shouldn't be looking for choices on being a parent or not. For him it didnt matter because getting a child or not doesnt harm one, were as abortion does.
@@sarapakhladzhyan2246I don’t think they get that part. The choice was made long before the child was up for adoption…. You had unprotected relations and got pregnant that’s your responsibility. Simple
they mean the choice of having sex
i'm actually apalled when wylan talked about being sexually abused at a very young age-young enough to not know what was happening to her body, and constance reponds with "what about the unborn child" without so much as thinking about how wylan *WAS* also a child in that situation! a child that could have been forced to carry ANOTHER child to full term. that is something that i genuinely feel is horrifying and was not even close to being made out to be as horrifying and gut churning as it is when it was over looked so quickly and insensitively instead of actually digesting it even when wylan implies she was very young.
They are both victim. Wylan and her own child. Both of them need a support. The abuser need to be punish. Simple as that
Pro lifers are not pro life, they’re anti-woman.
@@bogartmotomoto8222 agree, but Wylan ABSOLUTELY takes priority over her fetus, because how can we expect a healthy life for the fetus (if it does grow up) if Wylan herself is a child, still developing? It creates an unhealthy cycle.
@@xxaavviieerrrrrthere’s lots of ways to prevent an abortion even if you aren’t on birth control (because she was so young) plan b, you can have ur cervix scrapped (in privacy and don’t even have to inform police if you were assaulted… it’s more like if you are afraid of the person it won’t come back at you in a police investigation if you don’t want that), you can also have if caught early enough a lot of things done to prevent the process of pregnancy, by no means am i saying i want any young lady to go through this but that child inside her also deserves a chance if it’s late into the pregnancy, as you get older you can have your birth control and cobdoms to perform safe sex with these same options to prevent pregnancy’s caught…., it’s less expensive to get all these done then to have an abortion so it’s not even a money issue atp
There is no way this subject will ever come to an agreement. I don't like that they think abortion is health care.. Teens parents must be notified, because complications do happen.. Your a child you need your parents.
I want to make this clear: She didn't "put" herself in the situation of having unprotected s*x, she was groomed to be there.
well said
@@Jonjon25629 well your mother sure was... too bad she did
Women never take accountability. They complain about how difficult pregnancy is on their bodies to justify abortion, yet EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE WOMEN HAD UNPROTECTED Sx.
@@Jonjon25629 Theres actually no way you chose to respond to her comment like that, read it over, and still decided to post it, you are disgusting and you have never felt the touch of a woman.
Thank you!
I feel like Constance’s method of debating is just confusing people so they can’t even really argue against what she said because it doesn’t even make sense
I don’t think I could be someone on this episode without attacking Constance
Constance was a nightmare. That guy that compared abortion to slavery was just….I have no words
Very appropriate comparison. In both cases, people on the wrong side of history try to strip personhood and rights from living human beings
Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margret Sanger, actually founded PP so the African American population would decrease? She was an eugenic who called black people “weeds.” Around 80% of Planned Parenthood’s are located in minority led neighborhoods.
Are you really going to define something that can't feel hear see or make sound a human? Really?
@@aidanaldrich7795 what about enslaved women who were raped and forced to bring children into slavery ? i highly doubt they'd be against reproductive rights and bodily autonomy.
@@betty_3 so blind, deaf, and mute people aren’t humans? Do they have human DNA? Are they of humanity? Yes. So they’re human
i feel so awful for wylan. it's just so shocking that her parents were so disgusting that they were more worried ab people finding out that the baby was his rather than caring about her safety and well being
I know...they said she was lying for attention too. That was so heartbreaking. I wish nothing but the best for her.
@@_aasshhee same. some parents are horrible
I’ve met someone who was impregnated by their father when they were 13, and it depends on the person, of course, but she said she didn’t regret giving birth, she was actually upset that her mom gave the child up and her and her mom’s relationship is terrible now. My grandpa had two girlfriends whose parents took them to Detroit for an abortion unbeknownst to my grandpa, the girlfriends only going through with what their parents told them. Sad that parents can encourage their child to make such a life-altering, possibly world-altering, choice and even more sad that she felt she had to go through with it when one of them at least felt horribly about the whole experience. I’m tired of the lie that abortion doesn’t effect men, and I’m tired of the ridiculous argument that even if it didn’t, we shouldn’t have a say…
@@wyattcole5452 i mean maybe let's not endorse the idea of ppl giving birth to incest babies...
*disgusted
Ayla has been through incredibly traumatic things and I applaud her for being so strong, however that does not mean that every victim will react the same way and it is ignorant to expect that and or shame someone for not making the same decision as you
A mother should never be forced to carry a babu to full term if it is placing her life at risk
So true
literally
Literally like your personal experience are unique to you only not everyone else
I want to give Alexandra the biggest hug, she’s so well spoken and poised in the face of ignorance
32:02 made me spit out my drink "i am not in a financially stable situation to adopt a child". Neither are some of the people who decide to get abortions for that reason lmao
Well then don’t have sex 😂
It's not the same!
@@frozenboy712thats disrespectful
@@frozenboy712then why did you stick it in?
Well how about idk a woman decide to be careful about who she sleeps around with so who ever her partner is they are able to protect and provide for that child
Constance was the most immature, intolerable part of this conversation. Everybody else was so mature & let each other finish their thought and didn’t behave pompous & condescending. Someone should have put her in her place fr
She did fine? Everyone spoke over each other at some point. 💀
@@bananatitan3080naur she was very preachy & passive aggressive :/
I literally cringed every time she spoke
she just destroyed your side thats all. She spoke when it was a time most of the time.
@@debatingmusicyou don’t even know what side they’re on. They literally said EVERYONE else did fine except her, meaning she could just not like Constance.
The guy that went through abuse in foster care and yet hes still basically saying your kid should go to foster care instead like what?
I believe that perspective would come from : It's better to live and to suffer than to not live at all.
they can make squint faces girl PLEASE 🤣🤣😫💀
Literally delusional 😭
I was laughing so much when she said that 😂
MY CHILD IS LITERALLY GRIMACING RN 🙄‼️
My heart reaches out to Alexandra, that girl has more patience than anyone I’ve ever seen. She gave the floor to people, said to them “I think you had something that you wanted to say” fully let them say their piece, but when she tried to speak her piece was interrupted most the time. Wild how she was the only one willing to listen and have a mature debate about a tricky topic
When she has a kid she will be a great mom
She literally talked the majority of the time with the super long winded responses and then tried to cut people off
it's nice to know that u feel sympathy for child-killer Alexandra.
@@Kissmyass155are you serious 😂? Most the time she was patiently listening
@@KaydenzWorld when she was talking too long and people were trying to address each point her addressable points were forgotten. She kind of threw everything off to me.
Either the pro lifers are choosing not to understand Alexandra or they just aren’t smart enough to understand what she’s saying. Her points were very clear
No, she was doing strawman, she's comparing apples to oranges
@@oookoshka3734 time stamp?
@@oookoshka3734 elaborate 😃
Also wrong
@@oookoshka3734 based on this comment i think pro lifers are just choosing not to understand Alexandra
While i don't agree with Ayala's views, I genuinely appreciate her trying to understand the other side and trying to empathize with the other side.
Constance bringing up „science“ while denying science
Alexandra was so honest and powerful in this. Shame on the anti-abortionists, especially Constance, for disregarding her story
Powerful is such a great word to describe it 🥺
@@summer78946it really is!
Everyone has their own story. Alexandra just decided to share it.
She didn’t disregard her story. She challenge her thinking. Pro choicers take no accountability
shame on u for thinking that way. Alexandra is a disgusting child killer
hearing constance saying “i do not” over and over again made me want to pull my hair out
it made her appear pretty childish, to be honest.
the way i wouldve start yelling at her just for that
yes that was so disrespectful and annoying, she was acting like she was her mom or something
LITERALLY SAME 😭
especially the way she was interrupting others no problem, but when it’s her getting interrupted it’s different 😂
Luke mansplaining pregnancy to Alexandra was insane
You mean explaining? Wtf
explaining*
Constance had me laughing and in disbelief the whole time, like girl chill
Constance was very dismissive and rude it’s crazy that she is having a child rn with the lack of empathy and maturity she possesses that’s all I’m going to say on her.
Same way the pro abortion side cheer for her pregnancy but in the same believe a fetus isn’t worthy of life
She is very professional and firm, and I respect that about her.
@@ZacharyShank were we watching the same video how was she professional💀
@@ZacharyShankinterrupting someone and yelling at them IS NOT mature
She gives me strict parent vibes to the point her kids don’t like talking to her . Probably not the case I’m only seeing er in this video but she gives off those vibe’s heavily.
Alexandra was shy and timid at first but when she got comfortable- SHE WENT IN!!! I would love to see her on a formal debate stage!
she is silent yet so powerful
She is a disgrace
When the quiet people speaks up, listen.
She’s delusional
@@justinruck3334the anti abortion are delusional
The way Alexandra carries her words brought tears to my eyes. What a beautiful human being
"Are you going to stand here and say that children who are conceived in rape are somehow different than children who are conceived consensually?" this was one the most stupidest and insensitive follow-up questions asked, for the very reason that the discussion wasn't even about discrimination amongst babies but rather about the mother's mental health and the trauma she goes through after being raped
When the Pro-lifer Braedon said he wouldn’t adopt because he “wasn’t in the financial place to adopt, however he has the choice to become a foster parent” I laughed out loud. The hypocrisy is ludicrous.
The difference being he didn't put himself into the position and process of adoption or fostering kids and then back out. These women put themselves in the position to become parents and then they used abortion to back out. So the difference is pretty big.
@@blk5124 sex is a normal part of life and protection doesn't always work. Saying they put themselves in the position to become a parent is the same as saying that guy put himself in the position to adopt simply because he grew up and is now of age
@@denzellmovies the efforts would have to be equal and they're not. To adopt, you do through a long, draw out, expensive process. Sex is not a long, drawn out . . . I hope nobody is paying for it . . process. Sex is a much faster decision. It leads to pregnancy. Adoption never leads to pregnancy for those adopting but it does lead to baby and child care. So the outcomes eventually are the same but the roads to it are totally different.
Ask em about the draft, and you can generally watch the h.y.p.o.c.r.i.s.y roll.
Suddenly using their unwilling body for who the government deems more worthy is wrong. Unless it's the president they like, of course. 😂 Then of course the president they like should force you to get hurt. Honestly, a prolifers place in a country touting freedom is some astonishingly poor thought out logic.
Prolifers want the freedom to use your body, not for their body to be used.
@@denzellmovies Lets say I tell a Major League Baseball pitcher to throw a ball as hard as they can at me because it sounds fun. I cover myself in pillows, a helmet, and body armor because I don’t want to get hurt. If it ends up hurting anyway, it’s my fault for first, wanting a ball thrown at me, and also for not covering up with even more pillows and armor knowing that protection isn’t 100% effective.
i have so much respect for the two girls who shared their story of having an abortion. especially because of the fact that they knew people would of attacked them afterwards. it’s so hard to have people completely blindly attack someone for their situation.
exactly especially bcs they havent told their parents. it must take so much courage to share that
You do realise it was a debate so in order to establish your point you have to run the risk of offending the opponents
@@AlphaAbyss_ They are talking about the people in the comments. It is not at all justifiable to attack somebody personally because they disagree with you.
@@th0m4xs70 yeah you do realise what was said was entirely relevant
Lmao pro abortionists literally burn down crisis pregnancy centers but how dare a pro life person hurt her little fee fees the horror of it woo
Alexandra’s voice is so powerful and cut through the room like a knife when she speaks. Speaking nothing but facts with sound rationality and also experience. 👏
alexandra was so well spoken. constance berating her and everyone the whole time without listening to any of the pro choice people’s points is so disrespectful.
I HATE when people equate their personal experiences and compare them to everyone else. Your circumstances are unique to you and no one else!
Most abortions definitely aint unique. You have the huge amount. And the little outliers m
That’s what I’m saying. Personal experience doesn’t mean you get to force it onto others
Except when it match up with statistics. When you’re an outlier then yeah that’s specific to you.
Exactly! That's why the government needs to stay out of it.
@@jumpstreet2425 people’s reasoning FOR the abortion are different is what I mean.
Abortion wouldn't be so widespread, if we cared about women's maternity care, child care, and treating sex and relationships with more respect.
and had proper sex ed
No, there are abortion because of health risks that are not presentable and non viability, no, abortion is not because people have sex a lot or are polyamorous, you can have an abortion being married
@@angelaschone2847 he never claimed ALL abortions happened because of those reasons...
@@denzellmovies it doesn't matter, he is saying most of them are because of the reason he have, and that is not true
@@angelaschone2847 he lierally didn't say that, you're just making things up
Alexandra was so well spoken! I respect how she kept her composure and remained open to hearing what others had to say during this discussion
I was so angry when Constance was smirking while looking at the camera while Alexandra was pouring her heart out. No respect at all.
i don’t think i’ve ever seen someone with so little empathy and so much disrespect as constance. how dare you disregard someone’s trauma and grief because you believe your personal beliefs are better than theirs and provide a reason to guilt them.
No you're just frightened that she's a strong black woman telling the truth and expressing her love for humanity by standing up for the rights of The unborn.
Constance is a modern day civil rights leader and a hero 💜
@@TheEverFreeKingthe group constance is a part of (PAAU) stole 115 fetuses from an abortion clinic, some members took them back to their apartments and others displayed them in a box. So..yeah.
This was supposed to be a 'rescue mission'.
@@TheEverFreeKing hmm i dont think so
Does Constance really believe that any woman who is in sex trafficking and being forced to get an abortion will just not be forced to get an abortion if they are illegal? Sex trafficking is illegal… the abortions will then happen in secret. They are still going to happen.
If I was forced to have a child by my rapist, I’d mentally be a mess. That’s just me. If someone in my family did that, I’d never see them again.
Nah that's not just you, it's a completely normal to be traumatized by something so fucked up
Nah you should be the normal response like it's genuinely insane to me for someone to suggest having a rapists baby like girl bffr
I hope you're better now..
@@sadece-birisiit says if😊
Only 1% of abortions come from rape
I mean the women that came stood up when asked “who have had an abortion” sooooooooooo brave
33:50 THE ZOOM IN IM DEAD
Respect to all the teens that put up with Constance with such maturity, I would’ve lost it trying to speak to her.
Maybe because you're intolerant, not intellectual and don't like to hear opinions differ from yours.
your name says everything about you
She didn't lie once, though. And she was respectful for the most part. She did interrupt a few times, but sometimes people won't relinquish the time to speak.
@@44EricRH44 telling a rape victim directly to their face that they should’ve kept it after they shared their trauma is blatantly disrespectful
No kidding, almost everything she said was categorically false or misleading, and plain dismissive of the other's opinions and lived experiences.
props to alexandra--she really stood up for herself and completely shut down others trying to disrespect her and misinform others.
We must’ve watched two different videos bc she didn’t “shut down” anyone.
@@TheNewNationPodcast i mean “rebutted”
@@TheNewNationPodcast not even close
@@TheNewNationPodcast She shut down Candace dmbas multiple times😊
but her analogies were mostly faulty
Men being there arguing about woman’s bodies and their choices was already disturbing for me, but then Constance started talking and I am disgusted about the way she talks.
Something I purpose to anyone who sees this: why not value human life for simply being human life? Trying to come up with prerequisites such as consciousness, memory, development, impact on the world, etc. NEVER work, they always result in hypocritical slippery slopes. The ONLY consistent basis for valuing human life is to simply value human life for being human life. A living human organism with human DNA.
When you do this, things become much clearer.
You can say the same for the pregnant woman why cant it be her choice?
to the people who opened up about their personal experiences with abortion - thank you. you didn't have to have this conversation, but you did. thank you for your strength.
also: daphne, thank you for your compassion, vulnerability and honesty.
Agreed it takes a strong person to openly admit to doing something pretty horrible
What strength?
@@07foxmulder the strength to sit in a group of people and tell them about your trauma
@@manniefresh3425 lets get you back to bed grandma
Big hugs to Wylan for sharing her story at the start - I was flabbergasted when Constance started talking after her. Wylan just shared a story of CSA and Constance thought it was appropriate to start pitching for pro life organizations - how tone deaf.
the way Wylan just went totally silent for the rest of the vid too, i feel bad for her, Constance was so insensitive
I mean, do you think most girls know about what pregnancy resource centers provide? I thought Constance did a great service to expecting mothers in the US
@@aidanaldrich7795 Constance is part of an organisation that stole aborted fetuses, so that's fun, completely insane.
@@aidanaldrich7795 crisis pregnancy centers are never, and I mean never enough support. Children are incredibly expensive, and a mother will need more support than in just the first few months. It’s a fantasy to believe otherwise.
@@Kittles932 Enough support for what? They are just meant to get new moms on their feet
"Do you go to college or do you have a job?"
"I mainly do activism"
And she wants to bring a child in to the world?!
Her husband is probably the breadwinner
@@HunnibeeeatwrYeah the way it should be
@@peestrem31In this economy? That's a privilege and people who think that a woman's sole calling is to stay at home are privileged delusional idiots. To be able to heavily financially rely on someone is almost impossible. I would love to be a homemaker as it is my choice to make, but my household wouldn't be able to keep afloat.
@@peestrem31what if the husband dies in an accident? How will she bring the child up?
Alexandra is so well spoken for her age, light years ahead of Constance, who talks over people and repeats herself to get her point across.
I think Alexandra’s arguments were too advanced for some of the other cast members to even comprehend… lol. You could see them with confused faces as she gives the most well-developed, intelligent responses I have ever heard someone give regarding autonomy and reproductive rights. Alexandra for president honestly
Bro it's not that smart - anyone who has read or listened to anything small thing related to abortion knows the main arguments of the feminist pro-abortion movement.
@@isauldlc-qj5qe Que es cual?
So men can not be fathers if they don't want to be...? Consequence free evasion of court mandated child support is a thing?
agree
@@isauldlc-qj5qe They were smart because they used philosophical arguments, arguments based on rationality and reason. Whereas the other side only relied upon religion. The former being more complex and complicated than the latter.
People also forget that going through a pregnancy could be fatal and has side affects that some people don’t want to go through
Yeah, idk why people don't bring that up in arguments. Maybe because most women keep the horrible ordeal to themselves.
Then don't have sex
Yeah but the female body was made for pregnancy and is fully capable of it. And yeah, just don't have sex if you don't want to deal with the side effects of pregnancy
@@colonelsanders5278what do you suggest if someone gets raped
@@colonelsanders5278just don't push your beliefs onto other people wanting control over their own body
Pro choice doesn’t want to take away rights from anyone, we just want to be able to choose to have children or not. Pro life wants to strip the choice from women
y’all shoulda just scrapped this whole episode at the halfway mark due to Constance 🙄 not even gonna get into how apathetic she was, she was literally just flat out rude.
respect to alexandra, so well articulated in the face of others interrupting her & speaking over her
FR i would've gotten pissed and walked off the stage
@@judas7585 lol yeah most pro abortionist act like adult babies
YES! Nothing but facts and they weren’t even listening to her 🙄
that women had a rape baby … thats fucked
Pretty sure she’s just regurgitating things she’s learned from being a volunteer at planned parenthood.
Constance didn’t want to hear anyone else, but herself. There was no reason having her there. Also, just because some people had children under certain circumstances doesn’t mean everyone else should have to. Do what’s best for YOURSELF and let other people do what’s best for themselves!
& as one of the only black woman in the room come on? They should've sent me in there to advocate
The opinion of an ungodly woman sad what times we are living in
It’s not for themselves though! It effects ANOTHER human being.
@@matthewsisti4382it’s not a human
@@ellis1469 a fetus can only be called a human being AFTER it’s born
i just know constance did not expect this comment section and i love it
She def did Jubilee subscribers most lean liberal.
@@charlietatman3277It’s not about disagreeing with her beliefs, it’s the way she chose to state her beliefs and argue.
Notice how respectful the pro abortion people are from the anti abortions, they wouldn’t let the pros even speak yet they antis are speaking/yelling over people and demanding they be heard, but shouldn’t this be reciprocated?
Constance was rude, disruptive, and did not listen to the other side. Alexandra was amazing at coming back at her and giving calm answers.
I would have felt so frustrated if I were Alexandra. Constance was just straight up offensive at that point.
@@cornpeal8945 it’s like her goal was to try to get a reaction from the pro choice.
Constant completely destroyed their shitty arguments. The core point of alexandra and most pro abortion people (after they fail to establish a fetus as a parasite or a non human entity) is that
Y’all are such snowflakes 🤣 Of course the pro life side is going to be more disgruntled … CONSTANCE IS LEGIT PREGNANT. The protection of life has become so irrelevant to everyone
@@SuzyL35if u are so "protective" that u can't have a civil discussion, then don't participate in a literal discussion. I swear force birthers are so dense everytime 🤦🏽♀️
Alexandra is extremely well spoken and nailed everything. Props to her
Too bad she is a person who believes some people are lesser than others
@@aidanaldrich7795 you don’t actually care about the unborn clumps of cells, you care about controlling women’s bodies
@@aidanaldrich7795 the only person who believes that is you by saying that 🤔 as you are judging how she perceives based on a 45 minutes video only abt abortion.
@@queen_shake pro abortionists, just like slave owners, inherently believe some humans are less than others. Do you believe a fetus is less than a born baby?
@@queen_shake Abortion is literally the dehumanization of the most innocent and defenseless human beings for the sake of one's convenience.
Alexandra is a queen
Not really… 😕
Dannitaaa
@@Jack_Horneryes really ..😥
the whole slavery part, as a black woman, had me in a state of shock.
Comparing abortion to slavery is actually quite fitting. In both cases, a human life is denied personhood and rights. Thus, both the slave and fetus are legally at the mercy of the master/mother
@@aidanaldrich7795You are talking about people who were stolen and sold from their homes and being force to work into a foreign land for someone they have never met before and comparing it into a fetus that has no sense of awareness and surrounding is absurd. Those are not comparable.
@@hyucoh they are both innocent human lives. That's all that matters
@@aidanaldrich7795dude wtf is wrong with you
The hostility and the constant disrespect of Constance towards the other panelists primarily the pro-abortion*** individuals is crazy. She is literally the only one who is constantly trying to talk over and interrupt people.
real
Definitely giving Erin "Thats not Vegan" vibes.
exactly
She was stating facts though. While everyone else was stating their opinion. If you think about it I didn't hear any scientific facts stated on the pro abortion side... hmmm interesting
@@karendegraw4832alexandria literally did multiple times m. try again bud
i would have literally cried if i had to be around constance. the amount of ignorance and unwillingness to listen, and plain disrespect is so hurtful to even listen to on a screen.
You "would have cried" just being around her? 😂
You are a weak person
She’s self-righteous. Loves to hear herself talk and is prided by having said something, like a know-it-all teenager or a kid. Don’t let that make you upset, let it make you feel better that you don’t act like you have an underdeveloped brain as an adult.
Ima just wait till she hits 35 with nothing but a highschool diploma and her husband gets tired of her🙂
this is why more and more Americans support access to abortion - I don't think pro lifers actually understand how they come across
@katenoke1571 No. More and more Americans are supporting abortion because people care more about how easy their lives than respecting the rights of other human beings (such as the unborn)
I loved listening to alexandra, i really hope she has a successful life and goes far. Her wit and ability to come back from a rebuttal is amazing
When Luke said “if you don’t want slavery dont have slaves” and the camera zoomed on wylan side eyeing Alexandria and Constance. I fell out😂
Constance "I don't go to college" talking about all the resources out there at colleges for pregnant students is rich
Lol ok? You can still be educated without going to college.
@@DanielaL702how can a parent with an unplanned pregnancy go to school without childcare? How can that individual even give birth or provide for a child without insurance? Having a child will absolutely make going back to school, college, or even alternative programs harder. You can still be educated when you have a child, but the road will be miles longer and much harder.
But there are…it only takes a few google searches. Near my university, there’s pregnant/parenting housing and three different resources that help parents pay and care for their child.
@@hotinmybagsall you have to do is be a research freak and have goid memory
@@DanielaL702 I never said that you aren't. Constance is talking about how there are so many resources when she has never been to college, never had to use those resources, never experienced any difficulties at college, never tried to be pregnant in college, etc. She has no experience as to what she's trying to talk about at all.
I hope Alexandra is doing okay :( I can tell she’s hurting. I wish people realized no one wants to get an abortion…we need them as an option, ESPECIALLY if you have health issues…
Incorrect. There’s been many abortions parties.
No one needs an abortion unless it’s life or death.
Why? So you can be promiscuous?
As someone who has a serious lifelong mental illness I agree. I would never go off my medication and risk my own life in order to have a child.
Some people actually do. Lena Dunham does.
Granted she might be an outlier but she is one.
the prolifers are getting on my nerves so much that I don't think that i can even finish this video. all i would like to say is that Alexandra is so mature and handled the conversations so well
Why is this even a topic?? Your body, your decision. Period.
You can't own the body of another living human, which is what a fetus is
@@aidanaldrich7795 It's not owning the fetus. It's getting the fetus out of YOUR body.
@@AlphabetCookie It's dismembering a child.
@@ElioAurum And?
But it's a body inside the mothers body.
My oldest was conceived thru rape. My second was conceived thru poor decisions and unhealthy coping skills. I was 17 when my first was born. 19 with my second. I love them as much as the two I conceived in a loving, healthy marriage, but my experiences led me to be pro-choice. I know the toll pregnancy takes on a body, the emotional fallout after rape...and I can't imagine forcing (anti-abortion legislation or religion) anyone to give birth.
Accessibility to on demand abortion in all cases isn't a necessary requirement for access to abortion in outlier cases/exceptions.
I.e. the phrase exception(s) to the rule.
@@txbaca4861 so, if a couple is together, in a loving relationship and the pregnant person aborts without consenting their partner, that is wrong....but none of our business.
I’m so sorry that you had to endure that and I have so much respect for you.
Imagine someone being raped and being made to keep the pregnancy.
When this woman is raising this child, she isn’t capable of loving it and treating it the way you love your baby.
You are so strong.
You are very intelligent to realize that some women aren’t able to handle the situation the way you have.
No child should be mistreated but no woman should be forced to keep a pregnancy especially if it is the byproduct of rape.
Looking into that little innocent baby’s face, but all she sees is the rapist.
Any sort of anger or animosity could just become extreme.
You are a strong, beautiful, and intelligent woman.
I wish nothing but the best for you and your precious babies, sweetheart🖤.
Thank you for sharing.
@@bethlovelace7395 if it’s a couple, yes they should talk A LOT, but at the end of the day, it is only the mothers decision
@@leavemealone5130 true story! I also know there are always situations that are ....different....than anything we discuss in a thread. ...like abusive relationships...but, in my opinion, it's still none of my business.
I love the part where constance raised her voice to overpower alexandra so that she couldn’t get even a single word out.
constance just because you have pent up rage and resentment does not mean you have to be disrespectful. everyone was VERY respectful in letting you say what you wanted to.
If you want to talk about overpower I think that is what Alexandra did when she murdered her baby
She raised her voice because alexandra was interrupting her point
@@MarieJameson-ps9nqnah it wasnt
@@MarieJameson-ps9nqhol up what does that have to do with constance being a major outspoken prick who can't let others talk?? 🤔
@@MarieJameson-ps9nqIt was not even a baby
Alexandra was amazing. So calm and well spoken despite the FOOLISHNESS around her. You can tell she is well educated on the topic and is not speaking purely from personal anecdotes.
Alexandra is so sensible and intelligent. The way she argues is so well put together.❤
Constance is the type of "advocate" that I bet stands and shouts outside abortion clinics
Exactly like get a job girl 😭
she is part of the progressive anti-abortion uprising group so yes absolutely. Braedon and Ayala are also in the group too. paau has done some horrifying things that you might have heard of (not saying that any of these people participated but even being in that group is a big yikes)
Suffrageets did it.
I was thinking the same. She likes the sound of her voice for sure. It screams wierdo self-righteous asshat in front of the clinic.
fr
Constance was a sour spot of the conversation. Inconsiderate and willing to provide empathy to a concept of human, but not the people sitting with her in the room. Grilled on my nerves the whole time.
She was great. The sour spot was the one defending herself, not abortion, Daphne. She was invited to debate and she rolled her eyes and made faces faaaaaaarrrr more frequently than anyone else on the panel.
@@zacm9747THIS
Not a concept of a human, but a human being.
and Joey saying men shouldn't have an opinion on the slaughter of babies.@@zacm9747
All those people in that room have the privilege of life itself. She is empathetic to the unborn life whose choice is being argued.
Alexandra continued to sound collected and respectful throughout the entire episode despite being berated and slammed over and over again. props to her! cant say i’d behave the same.