Trans Conservatives vs Trans Liberals | Middle Ground
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0:00 intro
0:28 It is a safety concern for trans women to share a female restroom
16:46 I support the transgender military ban
32:11 Schools should include trans conversation in sex ed
32:24 It's okay for minors to get top surgery
45:51 Non-binary should not be considered under the trans umbrella
59:06 Doctors are manipulating trans medical care
1:11:07 Gender-affirming transition is suicide prevention 
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Unreleased prompt only on Patreon: bit.ly/MGpatreon Schools should include trans conversation in Sex Ed -> Agree or Disagree?
Ok
Well I think we all know how that convo went lol
Weak representation, shame on you.
I don’t even think sex Ed should be a thing
Over my dead body.
"Do not interrupt a black trans woman when she is speaking" Says the person who interrupted everyone else and was always condescending
Talking about privilege 🙄
Also guys check her history, cnn city hall black transwoman coach blossom interrupts mom and body checks her son in passionate intense speech- that's the title I ain't making it up
Well ironically her and blaire were speaking for years 💀. She was making sense in the very beginning then spiraled.
The entitlement is INSANE
I found the video under the title "Transgender woman makes passionate point at CNN Equality Town Hall." Blossom was certainly annoying but I didn't see anybody body check the kid in the video@@en2p187
Dear Blossom, it’s not your gender, it’s not your race… it’s you
Ugh blossom is the absolute worst. Blossom should for everyone's sake please go away, far far away.
That's usually what you like to excuse racism as. She got heated and was a bit emotional, but Blaire was the mean witch here.
@@truthbearingpsychonautjubilee shouldn’t be making these videos if they’re just going to platform conservatives and racists.
@@truthbearingpsychonaut Blaire has never been racist 😂 being black just has nothing to do with the debate and topics being discussed. Just pulling another victim card to feed her narcissism. You see it in the libs in all of these debates. Can’t debate with facts and logic so they gotta pull something out to make it about them.
She’s willfully ignorant and is a bully just to support her own point. Any statistics or valid counter arguments that’s brought up, she denies it. It’s almost gaslighting
"blaire, have you ever worked with trans people?"
saying it like she's not a trans women herself, absolutely disgusting.
I actually have a load of respect for Blair’s, even though trans is something that I struggle with personally.
"He's"
I can't believe I'm agreeing with Blaire White
Being one and working with others whom are, are two different things. I don't believe they were negating her personal experience, but asking if she had worked with others directly who were dealing with issues that she may not be dealing with, in order to have empathy and see the diversity of other people's views and experiences that are not her own, while being of service to others. She may be helping others in a different way, as she expressed, by her content and conversations on her social media platform.
Blair should have said naw 😂
Blossom and Alexander actually think they won the debate. Lol. Completely delusional
Exactly they were both the most delusional and combative
was literally a debate between 6 level headed people and 2 delusional people
I literally hate that Blossom can interrupt anyone but no one can interrupt her
And the “moderators” let it happen. I actually couldn’t finish this garbage “debate”
You mean him. He does not give off any feminine energy
Total narcissist
I wouldn't feel comfortable with "blossom" using the female bathroom.
She’s Black !!! Let her speak !!! She’s so oppressed she went to the White House !!! Can’t u see ??
Blossom thinks people treat her badly because of her skin color, honey it’s YOU. It’s your personality.
THIS comment !
I'm a black women no trans and it is her personality not her race
You said it ! Blossom was insufferable!
i’m a black woman and i 100% agree.
THIIIIIIIS
"I'm supposed to refrigerate it?" had me CACKLING
My favorite part of this video
It’s at 26:53
Dropping out of highschool is not the same as getting a BODY CHANGING surgery. U can always go and finish school you cant always change a body modification
THIS.
I was just thinking this
I was actually yelling this at my phone that comparison was made😵💫 I’m glad I’m not the only one that thought it was ridiculous.
@@sandy80334LITERALLY!!
Awh… I cried at “I choose to use the men’s room to protect women.” The sadness in her voice when she says she knows she doesn’t pass. Protect her at all costs.
To me jessica does pass. Sarah too! There are women who look like that. The non binary dude I absolutely do not want in the women's bathroom. Home is a cross dresser plain and simple.
*him
She may not pass but bc her attitude gives me ‘this is a woman’ vibes!! And i generally wouldn’t mind sharing a space with someone who is considerate of her bio female counterparts. THESE are the people i went to protests to support
@@radubraduplease don’t
If the ''non-binary'' one enter the restroom with me with my little niece here in my hometown , i will definitely walk out. I will be really rude and confront him
i’m not even conservative but this was CRAZY. The liberals were so aggressive 💀
same
They usually are aggressive! Look at all the crazies protesting in NYC against Israel. The LGBT community is siding with Palestine and they must have forgot Muslims are anti-gay BIGTIME and Israel is welcoming/accepting!
Seriously.. all feral for no reason lmao.. like we’re adults , let’s act like it and have actual debates that aren’t toxic
Time to switch over? We have cookies.
What's new?
People like Jessica are the reason I still do respect the trans community. I know the media makes it out to be awful, but trans women like her still exist. She’s willing to suffer consequences because of her lifestyle, instead of bringing women into the equation. It’s a very brave and noble thing to do. And maybe she doesn’t pass physically, but her demeanor and mannerisms are the most beautiful thing. It’s closer to feminism than any costume you can put on. She understands real femininity compared to all the other “passable” ones in this panel.
True
That’s what I thought too!! Jessica is very feminine in nature. Her demeanor. Her body language. Her more gentle and quiet personality. A lot of these trans people are very masculine. Like Blossom.
@@HaileysHealthhonestly, blossoms demeanor made me feel like she hasn't let go of the sense of entitlement that boys grow up surrounded by
Is Jessica the one that said she doesn't pass? 😔
My husband who is not a fan of any part of this subject actually stopped and sat down and watched this. He felt very sad for the tall blonde that kept putting herself down. He spoke up and said she should walk through life as a woman she seems genuine and really is trans.. she's doing her best . Not every woman WOMAN NOT CIS ANYTHING is tiny and beautiful. We come in all packages..
That’s a genuine question: I don’t understand how a non-binary person can also be trans? To be trans, literally, you have to have a binary vision of gender identity, no?
non-binary ppl aren’t cis and therefore they also fall under the trans umbrella.
Yes, and thats why does not make any sense
A lot of people identify trans as "not identifying with the sex you were born"
Exactly. Non-binary is not trans by any definition.
No, "transgender" simply means that you don't identify with the gender that you were assigned by society at your birth. Non-binary people were not perceived as non-binary at birth which means they are transgender, not cisgender. You can specify binary trans people if need be depending on the context.
As a liberal, this was definitely embarrassing for the trans liberals. Ya'll literally said nothing persuasive, it was all just subjective, personal arguments or just straight up incoherent.
Sameee. It was more personal attacks than actual personal stories.
It would have been waaay more embarrassing if they hadn’t edited out much of the threats and screaming.
Yesssss, especially the on in black with glasses that looked down at all times lol every time he spoke in that raspy voice he tried to sound smart but all those big words meant nothing together 😅
But this is how they’ve always been lol this is why most normal people despise the liberal LGBTQ movement. They don’t have a problem with conservative trans people like Blair white though.
@@PrincessanafpdShane I think is his name, true but I do think he has a point. Top surgery for 16+ year olds should be ok. I mean you can learn to drive at 16 so why not be able to remove your breast if you believe it will damage your body.
There are plenty of other ways to feed a baby were they to have a child
You can tell who is here to talk about the safety of the trans community and who is here for the safety of their feelings.
Yep
💯Best comment I’ve seen in comments
This needs to be the top comment. Spot on
Preach! 👏🏿 😂
💯💯💯
Alexander came in LOOKING for a fight, Blair looks away and ur like "look at me!!" Like she doesn't OWE you attention. 😂
Sara was the most respectful and educated in this group in my opinion. Hats off to you Miss!
When Blossom can’t win the victimhood argument based on “I’m trans” she goes into the “I’m black” argument.
From trans-baiting to race-baiting within seconds.
Blossom being trans and black, automatically, makes anyone who talks to her privileged and therefore she has struggled a billion times more than anyone in the entire existence of time and space.
we call her fart blossom
This is typical of her interviews. It's ok to share the experience, but when your whole conversation boils down to that point every time, it's redundant and seems off-focus.
@@ManaBunz The sad part is Blossom probably went through struggle.
Her constantly bringing it up, devalues those difficulties and invalidates the strength it probably took to be where she is today.
Jubilee allowing bullying on set is absolutely unacceptable
They call it debate, but you can best believe their agenda comes first.
Yup that non binary and blossom were unhinged
@@kellybuzby4752"that non binary"
@@SGN30 Or, that ''waste of inclusionary space'' fit better for you? Or would you prefer dismantler of trans rights?
Ngl I want Blaire to bully me
It’s funny that they want to be a woman but have no respect for women. Blaire is so respectful and well spoken.
blaire is also trans just letting you know
@@airflistrawberry5425 Was it said otherwise that she wasn’t?
Blaire is very well spoken and generally respectful, but she does interrupt people numerous times throughout this video, and in some cases she acts quite high and mighty when those people react negatively to being interrupted. not exactly respectful behaviour. though she's certainly not the only one interrupting, I think she and Blossom did it the most (Blossom more than Blaire)
Ew
She was not respectful
Sara and Blair are the only two that can have a productive discussion
And jessica
and Andrew
And some others as well💯
They were by far the two most intelligent on the panel. Give credit to Jessica, Andrew and Sasha. The other three liberals (Blossom, Alexander and Shane) were embarrassing af.
As a black person I can say that blossom isn’t treated bad bc of her race or bc she’s trans. ITS YOUR PERSONALITY GURL😂
She’s so entitled and is a bully
So true. U can tell who became trans and who is trans... Blossom just a play ground bully with boobs. U would rather bully women out our safe spaces than fight your own battles in ur own bathroom.
wasn't she already in the last video and a lot of comments found her to be quite annoying? :X why was she invited again?
I mean... at 1:19:40 when she's straight up ignoring the entire point of the issue to talk about Black people - and that people need to understand that's where she's coming from... that wasn't the issue being talked about, so why self insert so heavily into it...?
Hyprocrisy, rudeness, and ignorance is a pretty darn bad cocktail of personality traits.
FACTS 🤣😂
The fact they wouldn't let Sara speak for so long during the military discussion was unacceptable. She had the actual experience.
I liked how Blair stopped and said that Sara should've talked first about the military debate bc of her experience in the military
I agree!
She is also smart
That's probably why they didn't want her to speak on it.
So frustrating that they won't let her speak. Someone who was in the military.
I love how they all occasionally look at Blaire for any kind of affirmation, especially liberals
I legit noticed the same thing 😅
Which is wild because the last person I would need any affirmation from is Blair. She’s a loon.
@@thegohmez6816 Blaire is anything but a loon
@@thegohmez6816Blair is gorgeous. She’s considerate as well which I love. She tries to see the world from women’s lense. Yes a dude in a dress is scary af in a bathroom and I’d 100% call the cops. You can like it or not, see yourself this way or not, from my vantage unless you appear as a woman if you’re appearing as male you’re a safety threat . can’t take risks where children are vulnerable. Safety is key. Just because you see yourself as a woman doesn’t mean anyone else does.
I think they were just counting on her to check blossom bc she was the only one who could truly check her
I could not agree more with the trans conservative side of this debate. As a woman, Blaire made me feel very seen and heard and it’s amazing how she’s standing up for women having a human lens and not just a trans lens.
Rule number one: If you want to be respected, show respect to other people.
It is not possible.
The problem is, both Blossom and Alexander's definition of respect is messed up, it doesn't align with reality, and when we speak facts, it comes out as rude and disrespectful, but fact should be spoken openly.
Liberals are re-inventing and re-define words to make it meaningless. What is a woman anyway? Anyone who identify as a woman? Ah yes the floor is made of floor
Some people don't show you respect even when you respect them. If they don't respect you, don't show respect back
@@schiffer2386that was OPs point...
@@frickfrack7075 not really cause that doesn't always work
How dare you cut out the part where Blossom is screaming at Blair White with the director not letting Blair defend herself? She keeps screaming over and over again about Blair’s “whiteness” being an attack on Blossom’s blackness. That’s disgusting Jubilee. Shame on you.
They showed this in the patreon cut?
where can you find the uncut bit?
@@Deletedspidey1999blaire talked about it on her channel
I don't care olif Blair talked about it on their own channel, the fact that Jubilee cut this part to defend the other side had NO EXCUSE.
If they react like this in public when filmed, how I can feel safe with them in our spaces?
@Deletedspidey1999 there are plenty of people who cannot afford to see the unedited cut. It's pretty disgusting that a company that is liberal that wants to acknowledge its privileges is using a pay platform to protect someone's vile behavior.
The Liberals in this video were absolutely insufferable . The non binary dude shouldn’t be here , Sasha was just some random LA kid that said “Like” , “vibe” , and “I feel like” wayyy too much , Blossom was an absolute embarrassment , and then that last dude was just arrogant and provided nothing but air without substance.
The fact that they have me on the conservatives side for most of this video is APPALLING
Why are they asking Blair if she ever took care of a homeless transgender person before? This is ridiculous.
That part was like a comedy sketch. So un-self aware
Innit! It's like asking a pediatrician have they ever gone and taught in a school because otherwise they aren't helping children. It's the anger at her social media presence that they go for the attack because she is not 100% victimising herself to fit the narrative of "prioritise the trans community rights, or else its bigotry"
It's ridiculous...there are people that help homeless people in general...trans aren't special.
They were waiting for that the moment they heard she was gonna be in the debate.
being an influencer and talking about trans stuff is not social work, social work is social work
As a black person i really cringe when black people use race to excuse their bad behaviour and double standards. "Don't interrupt a black trans woman" but she's been interrupting everyone
factsss me too
aS a BlAck peRsoN, I cringe when a "black" person need to specify their race to say something about black people.
@@yonce2347 I don’t, because a lot of these lunatics will jump on you if you’re not black speaking about a black issue.
@@yonce2347People will then question if you're black, as in "allowed" to speak about the issue, if you don't state your race on certain topics. Why? Because first of all I'm behind a keyboard so you can't see my skin color. Second, we shouldn't even be asking race but here we are. Read the room, friend. Look at how people behave before you complain about precautions that have to be taken to avoid a heated argument.
@@hinachan70 If you don’t feel like it’s to okay to say something if you were white, why do you think it’s okay to say it if you’re black? Is that not Blossom’s issue? It ends up making you sound even more pathetic, especially to black people.
Yall edited parts out. We all know you did.
They didn’t. I was there. This was most of it but silence.
@@carlostorres6114 You expect me to believe a guy with 4 subs, who plays roblox, and who's name never got mentioned in this video was actually there? Stop being an attention seeker
@@Cassie_KJ lol this is a burn account. You’re letting the characteristics of a RUclips account formulate your opinion. Idc if you believe or not only silence was filtered out.
@@carlostorres6114 I watched your playlists, read your bio, you joined 9 years ago. I can tell you are still a minor, sweetheart. You do not scare me and you do not convince me of anything. They cut parts of Blair out. You have no evidence you were there. So ok lets play your game, where were you? Which one is you?
Even with the heavy editing, the liberals looked like clowns ☠️
The dude in yellow hate CLEARLY has a chip of Blaire on his shoulder 🤣
Using your race as an excuse to be a belligerent narcissist is a new low. She should transition into being a better person.
best comment award!
I 100% AGREEE!
it's hardly new lol
👌 blossoming like a cactus
im dying omgg
As a black person im so embarrassed by Blossom bringing up the race card out of nowhere, and accusing everyone of white privilege.
Don’t be embarrassed. Just because one black person does something does not mean it represents us all. Blossom is not my representative nor are they yours. We as individuals represent ourselves
@@Mysteriuminiquitatis1998 so very well said ❤
I was embarrassed the 1st 5 times... after that I was just annoyed 🤦🏽♂️
She really is making her community’s look like crap
You shouldn't be embarrassed. Blossom doesn't speak for you or all black people. She's out for herself.
I feel like nonbinary people should have their own video bc they have very different issues and pov’s
Blaire was on point when she pointed out that if trans ppl are 1% of the population and want to be heard and not disregarded, why do they totally disregard the 1% of detransitioners?
Valid point!
Agreed!
My favorite argument of the whole debate. Always so quick to invalidate detransitioners experience while screaming that everyone is invalidating theirs. It's the hypocrisy for me
I had never thought about that until she said it. Very insightful.
And then they used the excuse of ‘Well if happens’. Like BRO it happened in ur community and you just glossed it over as its some kind of ‘mistake’. I dont mind them being protective of the community but like why is it that they dont give the same energy with thr detransitioners
Cause trans people are not harming the 99% of cis people. And trans people do feel for detransitioners but they are not gonna allow something to harm the 99% of trans people to save 1% of detransitioners. There are ways to help detransitioners without harming trans people. Alot of these detransitioners did not follow the correct wpath guidelines and went to bad doctors. But if a doctor commits malpractice you go after the doctor u don't go after the surgery that helps people.
Imagine being so privileged that you can actually say "don't interrupt a black trans person" and expect that everyone will stop interrupting you
Because she is the most oppressed, didn’t you get the memo? 😆
I feel as though that usually flies in their own echo chamber but the common sense portion of the world doesn’t exist there so when we see it the cringe and “wtf” thoughts form.
Word. Literal entitlement.
But people DO cowtow to her. Everyone is afraid of being cancelled or thought of as a "bigot". (Pot calling the kettle black, much?)
Blossom and the rest of the libs are ruining it for themselves and aren’t even realizing it
I’m a lesbian and I find it a little baffling that some of them were talking about how they don’t feel safe which is why they want to use the female bathroom, but they don’t give a crap about the women and children who don’t feel safe with trans women in the bathroom. They’re just thinking about themselves and want everyone else to adapt. I’m a petite woman and can’t fend off men how some of these trans women would be able to, let alone poor children.
Exactly, it boils down to their own feelings. They don't give a crap about anyone.
So, since I absolutely cannot fend most men, do I get a pass? How does this logic work?
@@Baasudei That becomes your problem if you decide to transition. It should not now become everyone’s problems. And kids especially cannot defend themselves. It’s selfish!!!
@@courtneysdani Girl what are you on.
I would think that the best case scenario is that no one is in danger, correct? So why is it expected that I do so? Clearly OP did not agree as she brought up the potential to fight back.
No idea what kids have to do with this. I'm a danger to kids because I, like any human, happen to have to pee? That doesn't sound very logical.
What you do in the sack is your problem and should be in your private bedroom not in our face day after day and that goes for all of lgbtqa and other
The clown can call Blaire offensive but when she calls him offensive, suddenly Blaire is offensive?
It's these people who are ruining the community.
I burst into laughter when she pulled the "trans black woman" card. That's hysterical. Literally no one brought up race at all. It's so extra.
Same I laughed too
It was gross!
"give me extra better treatment..because!"
Every single time.
Oh yeah they were going to pull every damn card.
Trying to argue over the veteran trans woman about trans people in the military is HILARIOUS
That too by someone who also never transitioned.
That’s what I’m saying. 😂😂😂Props to Sasha also for being willing to listen to the conservatives great points, unlike his shitty team of idiots
😂😂
Like the trans women that argue with women about being a woman. The entire identity for some is based on delusion.
You see how one side is more so presenting their arguments with emotion rather than logic and reasoning.
"Let's not underestimate the power of these kids today", sounds like it comes from the same vine as, "You're so mature for your age".
Can we please ban Blossom from these debates? Brings no value and all she does is play victim.
As well as screeching over everyone else and dominating the conversation.
Can we ban CIS people like you from commenting??? please?? how does this really affect you. Let TRANS people speak.
She just starts drama
She seems very mentally unstable and should be in a mental hospital instead of given a platform to spout nonsense
Blaire and Blossom both detracted from the civility.
As a black person I’m so tired of ppl bringing race into an argument that has nothing to do with race as a deflection tactic 🙄
Trying to be a victim and bully in the same breath....disingenuous....she knows she can get away with that shyt around white people....did you see her CNN clip?
So true. We gotta take accountability
"as a black person" you hate when people bring up race? but you just did the same thing? Why is it ok when you use race to qualify and distance yourself, but she can't use it to empower? make it make sense please.
Some black people said asking about gender is racist.
@@aplaowattanakul7760no that was a white person. 😂😂. They said if they got asked their gender it would be racist
"Wait I'm supposed refrigerate it?" -I love him
The conversation was so heated and the random "I'm Suppost to refrigerate it?" was funny to me
Crazy how Blossom wants trans people to be safe but thinks it’s ok to openly threaten Blair with violence, “the bodyguards are outside, keep it real cute”, in a debate.
its also funny bc blossom said that she didnt threaten blaire (on her ig) and im like.....more than a million ppl heard u said that u had bodyguards waiting outside for her...like....is she fr
very lady like behavior
A FULL RIDE thru Med School - Vocabulary, Mentality & Attitude of a 5th grade BULLY 👎👎👎 SAD & disturbing to watch!! PLEASE tell me she is not an actual physician that works with PEOPLE! 🙏
This happened at 29:30
@@heidinguyenphuoc7911 I think she was talking about Blaire's friend she brought being her bodyguard, but I think he just came to be supportive. He wasnt being paid to protect her or anything.
Regardless, Blossom was implying violence when she mentioned the body guard - like he was the only reason she wasn't going to get violent.
Blossom out here talking about how transwomen should be safe and look out for each other but then threatening a transwoman 💀
yup. it's called ✨entitled✨
@@jjtrejo4125it’s called ✨innate behavior✨ blossom is just doing what biological men are programmed to do..be territorial and aggressive lmao
Blossom is the most privileged out of everyone
With that big ole linebacker 6 foot 6 body or however tall “she” is 💀 gtfoh
And doesn't give a sh*t about sis women. I'm not sure any woman would be comfortable around Blossom who is extremely aggressive.
Blossom is EMBARRASSING….. using race to justify your nasty attitude and behavior is NASTY WORK‼️
Blair LOVEEEEEEE HER
YESS MAAAM
Sara is so based. She came ready to roll with all the knowledge
Jubilee needs to hire some actual neutral mediators for these debates. They way they go now, especially this one, is NOT a debate. It’s bullying and incredible rude.
I agree. Shouting and insult matches dont get us no where. They should definitely start doing this
they need to hire someone else to edit these....
Lol they also need to hire real editors. They don’t cut things out from the truth. They also need to hire real therapist to get some of these people help that they desperately need. Also security to take care of the cowards that threatened to cause physical harm to the other guest.
I would like for people to actually finish their points before another person starts talking. So annoying.
@@carla.c exactly, but unfortunately woke people don’t have respect or common sense. They always have to argue if someone disagrees and have to physically or mentally harm someone.
For someone who hates being interrupted, Blossom sure does love to talk over people. Loudly at that.
Hypocritical
And she is so real for that
@@MrSharks-ox4jrno she isn’t 😭
@@MrSharks-ox4jr no…
@@MrSharks-ox4jrEWW NO WAY
This was a horribly done “debate”.
If young women in their 20s/30s cannot have their Uterus remove because they can change their minds on having kids, it should not be allowed either to have sugery when minor. The same reasons apply. Maybe its a stretch but its still a choice and it still a surgery and still our bodies...
That was actually a great point. My mom wanted to get her tubes tied after she had my brother around 20, the doctor asked her to take a little time and think about it. She was so great full for that because if he would’ve did it, she never would’ve had her daughter (me). She’s very grateful for that analysis
@@lialia2268 exactly! I dont think it should be the same age! But at least to be major to choose that’s all. Doesnt change the fact that some could regret it after but it surely helps on some points 🤷♀️
@@DaphneGauthier I most definitely agree. No child should be able to make such a dire decision
blossom using her trans-ness and skin color to make her voice heard over others and use it as an excuse to interrupt others while ridiculing others for interrupting her is absolutely disgusting
The worst part is that it must have worked for her in the past
@@oooon222 yep. how disappointing.
It's people like blossom that are the reason we will never see change or be taken seriously.
He couldn’t be anymore liberal
@@oooon222 The dude is obviously used to terrorising weak progressives into white guilt paralysis.
Blossom uses the “I’m a black trans person” as a way to say “I’m the biggest victim out of all of you therefore my point is the only valid one”. Which is an obnoxious mentality to have.
Blossom has been to the White House, and given a free ride through med school. If anyone has had any REAL privilege it's her.
Specifically a racist mindset to have
@@mynameisraybeing mixed only really affects you if you physically look like your non white race.
@@mynameisraywhat is she mixed with
@@mynameisrayshe definitely looks Latina IMO but yes race shouldn’t matter and it has 0 place in this debate
“Me as non-binary person”… Wait a sec, I thought it was trans debate 😅
The term trans means that someone is not identifying with the gender they were assigned at birth, so it does include binary trans people (mtf and ftm) AND non-binary people (people who don't feel like men or women, so they do not identify with the gender they were assigned at birth)
As a black woman and a conservative. I wouldn't let Blossom within 50 FEET of my or ANY children. Dispicable. Go Blaire!
As A Biological Black woman I will say that Blossom does not represent us in ANY regard. Not everything is about race. Truly an embarrasment.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thankyou, she didn't need to interject that
I second this as another biological black woman. We as black women get a bad reputation enough, and she just made it worse.
I as well!
@@jasmineduran6731Right.
The fact that the "non binary" person on the panel questioned more than once "whats the obsession with other people's kids" is a point blank representation of how egocentric and apathetic he is towards other people he cant relate to. Children MUST BE PROTECTED. If I see a child being abused in ANY capacity I WILL speak up. I will never turn a blind eye to children suffering abuse or manipulation.
I respect and somewhat agree with your opinion, it is very important to make sure children have the support they need. However, you can state your opinions without disrespecting Alexander as a nonbinary person. THEY deserve respect just as you do and everyone else even if you dont agree with them... please use the correct pronouns... kind regards
@@algs4882be quiet and stop being an AH.
Who’s “he”?
they*
@@blarty HE. I'll use it in a sentence so you can understand: "HE wears clown make up and has a d*ck, so HE is male". Got it babes?
I have allot of respect for conservative trans people for going against the narrative.
Yes, these are trans women I would be cool being around, the liberal ones I’d be afraid of at least the ones trying to be women. They’re still very masculine and it’s a bit too much for me.
I agree
The fact that this wasn’t even in order tells a lot of Jubilee. They should present the whole talk in real time and order.
The way he respectfully said “Don’t come for my privilege, I was raised by drug addicts, I have HIV.” 👏🏻
But we have to remember “she’s a black trans woman” so no one has it worse than her.🙄
Agreed. I know many black people who have far provides that I could possibly imagine
I literally teared up. Blossom assuming every white person is privileged IS RACISM.
Timestamp?
Timestamp pls
As somebody who's pretty liberal..I was EMBARRASSED. They didn't win any arguments, just derailed valid points. Blossom really thought she ate by bringing her race into this 😭
Were you actually surprised that he brought race into it?
I mean, that's how most "liberals" talk on the internet and in the West, so I wasn't surprised. It's the woke culture.
My family is pretty liberal, but I turned conservative because there are far too many extremist "liberals" nowadays. The scream for "tolerance" but can't even tolerate that some people have different ideas that don't agree with them.
The only liberals I am thankful for are real liberals whom I can actually have normal conversations with and don't have to always walk on eggshells.
People don't always have to agree on things. What matters is how we treat each other and not just call people "Bigots" every time they disagree with you.
As a liberal, there are a subset of liberals who try to bring race into everything, and it's really annoying.
yeah, same. I think Shane was the only liberal who raised strong, supported arguments against the conservative side, he didn't really get any help from the other liberals tho. I think Blossom was actively hurting the liberal side the whole time by, making herself the Liberal stereotype
@@idk-mz3ys I liked Shane until I found out he went on a podcast with Blossom to talk about how they "won" the debate 😭 I thought this was a channel to reach a middle ground, not arguing.
Blossom's whole personality is: I suffer cause I am a black Trans woman, when she is actually a Privileged trans woman, this video shows that the production was on a side the whole time and not on the truth side
How can jubilee allow blossom to threaten blaire???
Everyone is talking about Blair but SARA is the real star. She really educated everyone without getting upset and fired up. She justified everything with real reasons and experiences
she didn´t get fired up because people weren´t out to get her the way they did with Blair. i assure you them knowing Blair was going to be there was their gold opportunity to shine by dragging her. there´s a huge portion of the trans community that hate her just because of not being delusional. That being said, i agree that Sara was fantastic and if people weren´t so focused on blasting Blair, we could have listened to Sara and everyone else more
Sara made great points but they didn't try to cut Sara's throat like they did to Blaire. The director told Blaire she had to speak last and blossom screamed at and threatened her, all of which was edited out according to blaires reaction to this video
I think the opposing side didn't pay much attention to Sara, although she was obviously very well read and very smart, she knew what she was talking about and made excellent points. They were focused on Blair bc they saw her as a threat and not Sara
sara wasn't being threatened like blaire was off camera and cut parts
I definitely agree with this. The non binary person is just a joke
Ironic how Blossom pulled the race card every chance she got and used it against Blaire when she's literally mixed race herself
always does in any RUclips or media appearance,
Just create a third space🤷🏽♀️
That just means she is a little higher on the oppression ladder. Gotta feed that victim status
Agree
That is what ppl do when they have nothing to say.😊
Blossom really needs to listen to understand and not listen to respond. I’m not even eight minutes in, and I already have a headache.
SAME 😭😭
Blair and the other conservative trans folks here are proof that simply having someone “on your side” is enough to wildly sway your views. “Trans” was exclusively a liberal movement and I, being a conservative, was vehemently opposed to the entire topic. But having Blaire in the conservative isle really opened me up to the conversation.
She’s done more to sway my views on the trans community than anybody else on earth.
Agree. She has a great outlook and accountability standards. Even the bathroom debate like that makes the most sense to me.
Always remember that they're going to find the most obnoxious and extreme person for sound clips and examples, its more attention grabbing. Most Trans women are like Blair, while I don't agree with her on everything she said. Me being open and honest with conservative people I work with when I came out had them supporting me fully. Most people aren't looking to grab attention, they're trying to survive.
Also, most of us can't get all the plastic surgery she clearly had (not a dis) making her so passable. I pass, with no surgery, and I was as shocked as anyone. Most people do not.
I'm a liberal and honestly disappointed to see the treatment Blaire received from Blossom. There's absolutely no excuse to yell at someone during a debate. There's quite alot of Blaire's thoughts that I disagree with but she actually makes plenty of valid points and deserves respect as much as anyone else in the room
I think she was also very disrespectful as well but Blossom definitely was out of pocket too
I have seen a lot of debates on this channel and never have I seen them allow anyone to call someone disgusting up until this point.
@@spicycorndogs4619agree
@@spicycorndogs4619 I agree, not a fan of the eye rolling and faces she came up with at some points. But Blossom took it to a whole other level.
@@thatvampigoddess926 that was straight up bullying
Blossom: attacks everyone
Also blossom: I AM A VICTIM
As a black victim.
She should read the book Secret.
One creates his own reality. She projects her victimhood mentality everywhere and is responded regardingly.
Not just a victim a black Victim 😂
Relax.
She’s a self-victimizing narc
Isn't plastic surgery for 18 and older? If so. shouldn't changing your gender be the same?
I'm glad Sara was there. She explained things very calmly and, above all, objectively. She was a real asset. While the non-binary person was actually really rude, I think. I mean, you don't have to like each other, but calling people disgusting is just not ok
There needs to be a black trans conservatives vs black trans liberals. Bring Blossom back, and see how far she gets without being able rest her points on “being a black trans woman”
Even better, bring Flame Monroe and Kat Blaque.
@@len-1768second on Kat, she’d excel here
Yes because she goes off when she knows people aren’t combative.
Yes!!!! I agree with you!!!!! Blossom is so use to using her race as a stepping stone to get sympathy and support. Pathetic.
@@len-1768yesss lol, they can read her to filth & they’ll stop the bullcrap from her before it even starts😂 they aren’t disillusioned with what they really are & what life is.
Shame on Jubilee for Copyright Striking Blaire's reaction video to her experience on Jubilee. I'm not even conservative, and y'all were totally bias. Your audience deserves a redo!
Because she doesn't fit their narrative and of course they have to be petty 🙄
You are not liberal either so
Wtffff jubilee SHAME ON YOU
That's messed up. That makes me more invested to watch it.
Sooo true this is really sad to see these double standards
To the woman in the light orange, you pass honey 🥰
She passes the vibe check she reminds me of one of my aunts 😊
Alexander really likes to point out that he doesn’t care about kids
Its crazy that jubilee tried so hard to make Blair look unhinged and crazy with their editing, and she still comes across as a buddhist monk when compared to Blossom.
The producers are pathetic
A Buddhist monk broooooo☠️☠️
😂
Blossom and Blaire were both being insufferable.
@@WattPheasantBlaire was constantly attacked from the beginning. This video isn’t chronologically edited, the first question they actually had was about trans military. When they sat down, blossom and the others immediately attacked Blaire about not being grassroots & saying she’s done nothing for the community. Then threatened her, that’s how this panel STARTED.
To compare dropping out of school to cutting off a body part is insane. You can always go back to school, you can't grow back a body part.
Exactly what I was thinking!
Not only that, but it makes sex change operations sound like a bad decision just like dropping out of school would be.
You can go back and get a GED literally whenever
I totally and utterly agree. That really annoyed me
But I get what he's saying though. He was put in positions where was forced to be an adult before he wasn't an adult and yet he can't make decisions on his body like an adult. So the system picks and chooses when it sees minors as minors.
I like the one in all black...why do women and girls have to be uncomfortable to make you comfortable. SAFETY is a priority...if you can't use the womens bathroom, is that a safety issue?
She's Blair White.
How can you allow these people to be so disrespectful?
Who
Who else?
@@zipper2741bloosom? She was the most disrespectful one out of all
Spectacle
@@emilylee5620andrew was definitely a lot more hostile
The “Don’t interrupt a black trans woman while she’s speaking.” statement made me cringe so hard; and im black trans woman myself lol
Thankyou beautiful lady, I definitely raised an eyebrow hearing that said.
And I love you for that
You got a boyfriend?
@@Detsubkrod Silence.
She talks about privilege. Who is the one behaving like she thinks she has privilege by telling Blair not to interrupt her even though Blair is trying to respond to her.
So dropping out of high school is like getting your weiner cut off? You can go back to school, ya can’t grow it back.
Race had nothing to do with it, it's BLOSSOM THAT'S THE PROBLEM 😂
Blossom is really a joke! Im a black trans woman myself and never would I use that as a weapon to basically walk all over people the way she does. The whole, "Never interrupt a black trans woman when she is speaking," was just insane! How people take her seriously as a trans advocate/activist? I'm confused myself.
Blossom's a horrible representation of black trans community. Full stop. They should stop inviting them to these debates with as much toxic masculine energy they exuded at certain points was more than palpable.
Thanks for saying that. Blossom is acting like they represent EVERYONE and I think they actually represent nobody in the process
Hopefully I wasn't interrupting you as a black trans woman 😂❤
Sounds like you're a more well rounded person.
Why are you trans?
To compare minors getting surgery, to being able to drop out of school at 16, is just a false equivalence. You can always go back for an education at any age. You can’t come back from sex reaffirming surgeries. It’s just not the same.
I agree!
Exactly my thought when hearing that.
Lol I’m honestly surprised no one called it out. It was such a ridiculous comparison.
Exactly thankyou, someone who understand logic.
And more importantly... He says why am i allowed to live alone at 16 but not top surgery?
Bro.... You were abandoned. You never had a choice. No one would agree that u should live as an adult at 16.
And thats the answer.
Alexander never answered the question "what is your dysphoria?"
agreed, he totally dodged the question
Because he doesn’t know what does that actually mean 😂
Blossom and Alexander were so unbearable
Is Alexander the Dude in the Clown IT style??
"What is your dysphoria?" being asked respectfully and earnestly, not being answered, but given "You don't know my life" is wild to me.
Haven't got there yet. But yeah. Sounds wild. Ppl won't know if you refuse to answer. Smdh
My mouth was literally hanging open at that point!
@@fernking9586for me it was "why do you care?" As an answer to medical malpractices harming children.
@@theahulkushwah my friend, my mouth hanged for that part too. Then I had to pause it to rant to my girlfriend about how absolutely insane that statement is. Like. A 10 minute rant. That was infuriating.
They were really rude around here 51:10 I was shocked
@jubilee Please do not have Blossom back on here…as a Black Woman myself, her being allowed to verbally attack other women and men because she disagrees with them is very disgusting. I thought this platform was inclusive I used to think highly of it but now…I don’t understand how you all can allow someone unhinged like that to be apart of this important dialogue showcase.
she somehow turns every conversation into a full blown argument and talks over people. it’s annoying. its called middle ground, you’re gonna to hear opinions you don’t agree with, that’s the point.
Then turns everything into a race war if losing the argument. Professional Victim
Because it helps expose assholes as well.
This
She never let's anyone else talk.
Blossom: I’m speaking…
Continues to interrupt others lol
You dont just get to decide "Oh this place is more safe for me if I identify as a male" and then the next day "oh this place is more safe for me as a female" or they, them, wtf ever. YOU'RE ONE OR THE OTHER!!!
Just finding excuses because Blossom doesn’t have any valid argument literally 😂
If you don’t want to be interrupted don’t do it to others. Being black has nothing to do with it.
The definition of "Wokness"
Blaire also interrupted throughout this entire debate btw
@@erenjaeger1738The word wokeness, where does it come from? It can also be seen as bullying to use that term.
Yes I agree. So cringe when statement was made
@@octavialafontaine7090 the progressives who invented this term for themselves, as they consider themselves to be the ones with their eyes open, but little by little conservatives turn it into an insult because of the amount of stupidity coming from progressives.
"cis women have dysphoria about their breasts". Its not dysphoria its dysmorphia, those are 2 different mental disorders
Thank!!!
he doesn't even know what gender dysphoria is and claims that he is 'trans' LMAO
@@idfkwtr yep, that was kinda the point I was trying to make. He's trying to say he's something, that he doesn't even fully understand
I said the exact same thing lol! It’s them mixing dysphoria with dysmorphia haha wow that’s rich 😂
No, cis women can have dysphoria about their breasts. I’ve known women myself who had dysphoria because they felt that their breasts were so small that it made them feel like a boy. Not in the trans sense, but it made her feel less of a women.
Since that involves your perception of your own gender, it is dysphoria
i was SO into watching Jubilee’s videos until this debate….what they allowed to happen in this debate is downright disgusting
They keep saying I don't know what's it like to be a nonbinary person, but isn't that sort of the point that the conservative side is trying to make? That's it's a different experience than their own?
But that's why they're transgender men and women, and they're trans non binary. All the trans women and men will say they're men and women, just not cis men and cis women.
As a liberal the conservatives showed more class and educated points. Can’t imagine acting like that on camera and not being embarrassed
I agree.
I’m also a “liberal” (I’m Canadian tho so it’s a bit different, I’m not a liberal in that I support the current government bc I really don’t lol don’t worry Canadians I also hate Trudeau), but they were so emotional, angry and ready to fight or oppose whatever the conservatives said, it’s embarrassing. You have to learn to listen, if they didn’t want to actually DEBATE with people who have a different opinion, then they should stick to making online videos screaming into the void. You can’t debate people by not listening, not being respectful and acting like you DESERVE respect and TIME during the “debate” is extremely selfish, arrogant, and delusional.
that's generally how liberals act though (like spoiled children with feelings...)
One of the liberals kept staring at the floor and wouldn't look at anyone while speaking. That's rude.
I completely agree it was a missed opportunity for an actual debate with liberals that are actually open minded and can have a conversation with people with a different opinion than theirs rather than just attacking them for it.