Jordan Peterson | Identity Politics and the Marxist Lie of White Privilege (FULL LECTURE)
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Jordan Peterson aka: 🐸🦂🐍🐉💊, talks about the DANGERS of Identity Politics and the Marxist Lie of White Privilege.
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How can it be, that some people dont see the wholeness in Jordans speaking, acting, truthfulness, compassion and respect. These people must be in dark places, blinded be the sun. He is like a new Prophet, to open our eyes to clearity and spirituality in the highest senses. Good talk Jordan!
Because to postmodernist, he's part of the white patriarcal hiarchy that destroyed the world. Those who don't agree with this philosophy are those who can actually LISTEN to what he has to say, consider all variables, and change their minds based on new facts and evidence.
@@concerned1 Typical response from one side of the spectrum, being too blind to see their ideological drift, so onesidedness gets normal. Thinking others are spoon-fed, but being full of unelaborate ideology of a herd. Concerned am I;)
Well… because a fool will claim to know everything where a wise person accepts what they don’t know. The people that hate him have already made up their opinions on him and don’t actually listen to what he is saying.
I´ve listened to this so many times I should know it by heart by now.
Jordans the man, he always makes sense.
When you think of the Indian philosophy, which states that there are four faculties of the mind, named; judgement (intellect) - memory - identity - perception.
As Dr. Peterson says, we don`t know anything about perception.
It`s the one faculty that remains when one is meditating. For proper meditation one has to leave the other three behind. And the remarkable effect of meditation is a growing identity!
I agree when one says that small identities can lead to war but it`s interesting to see how all those faculties interfere.
I don`t know if any studies are done that way.
Somebody can help me?
Finally a nice quote for some peace of mind by Sadhguru;
`Everything that`s not logically correct is going to collapse in the next twenty-five years time, watch it.`
Hmm... I wonder how this will turn out.
I just said earlier today to a group of friends that the 90s was probably the best era to live in, as we reached equality in every aspect, with women and black alike. In the same rant (let's call it a rant), I also said that we went beyond equality, that now things were skewed in favour of women and PoC's, that in today's society, you'd be better off being born a black woman than a white man (simply put), and that were were dangerously approaching a point of breakage (simply put). Basically, I see the political spectrum as a circle, the center being in the middle at the bottom (or the top, you choose), and right and left where they should be. But since it's a circle, going too far left is basically the same as being too far right. The best example I have is Hitler. He was deemed a far right leader, but when you read Mein Kampf, you realize that in just a few pages, you can draw many parallels between him and the far leftists of today -- censorship, mass control, or dictatorship being tactics used by both extremes. So we're dangerously approaching the far right by being too far left, and we'll need something as powerful as the far left movement to offset said far left movement... I told them "if you think Trump is bad, keep promoting the far left ideologies and I guarantee someone far worse than Trump will be elected."
By the 25-year reflexion you've quoted, we're not too far from the collapse. The 90s were between 20 and 30 years away (lets say beginning of 2000 too). So this era was between 15 and 30 years ago.. within the next 10 years, according to this quote, we should witness the fall of the far left (I hope), but at a great cost (not looking forward to this one...)
Let's wait and see.
@@lucyluca6602 well as far as i can see we're rapidly approaching the waterfall now...the plunge will be when we start sterilizing children and mutilating them into freaks...wait...it's happening right now. ...CHILDREN....sheesh.... here we go *PLUNGE*
THEY ACT LIKE THEY DO BECAUSE THEY ALL DIE! his sense of humor is subtle but HARSH and funny...not even sure he meant to be this funny during this talk, but he did it. very well done
This is going on right now.
i'm still floored by how this man can talk for hours and rarely if ever refer to a single note... oh sure, i'm sure he HAS notes, or his lectures would be 5 hours rofl but his articulate common sense wonderful speech flows naturally and you can tell this man is used to speaking to groups , and you can almost hear a pin drop while he talks, this is accolade enough for any man. they don't believe in biology, well, they act like they do but they ALL DIE. i wonder how many pink hat wearing crew cut wenches actually heard that one...and then "what time is it? oh i should stop then...." this alone shows that he could go on for HOURS more and never run out of words, isn't that amazing...just amazing.
raining down firey truth smashing the lies love it!
“There’s a fair amount of corruption, but not so much that the lights go off.” - Unless you live in California.
well the east coast have nuclear energy...you have what? dams? blackouts, pools filled with water while there's desert land...indian reservations....and gambling...hollywood corruption, and sexual perverts.... go figure.
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Is he smarter tban AOC? Is he?
That a bus would come at the time it was advertised to come at a bus stop is overwelmingly proof of this that that and the other, but maybee I'm old, busses in San Francisco aaaaare pretty good. One tends to end up relieing on them.
“A little history lesson. Back when America was "great," this man couldn't buy a house in my home town of Wakefield, Massachusetts. He bought one in Reading, next door, where one night a band of Americans broke in, stole his valuables, smashed his trophies, and pooped inside the covers of his and his wife's bed. Yes, pooped on his bed. And every game, he stood stoically for the anthem, looking around at thousands of white faces as they boasted of the "land of the free and the home of the brave."
I could live in Wakefield. But Bill Russell, the greatest player in the history of basketball, the man in this picture wearing his Presidential Medal of Freedom, couldn't.
Don't let anyone tell you that there's no such thing as white privilege. Don't let any politician, especially Trump, tell you or anyone else when it is appropriate to stand, sit, or kneel in protest. And most of all, don't fall for this MAGA crap.”
You should watch this video
I guess standing up straight and cleaning your room does not help with not becoming a drug addict!!! #JORDANPETERSON #DRUGADDICT
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what about a RECOVERING one? short bus
I often agree with Prof. Peterson, but I find his view of identity politics absolutist and absent nuance. I first of all do not agree that leftists originated this condition. Absolutizing virtue on one's side and evil on another goes back in history as far as we can look. War has the tendency to reinforce these views and I need not remind you of the uncounted wars humanity has engaged in.
Identity politics has become 'classifying as one's enemy, one's mere political adversary'. I am old enough to have seen the Cold War. I saw people demonizing the Russians and denying their humanity. When communism fell, I saw extreme disorientation on the part of these ''tribals'' I knew. I saw this disorientation last until, in America, right wing radio pundits began trying to reawaken this enemy-needing trait and directing it toward Democrats, liberals, progressives. From my observation, all of the most deeply negative tribalism in the US can be traced back to that effort by right wing radio.
While there certainly was some tribalism on what people inaccurately refer to as the''left'', modern identity politics did not originate or emerge from the university left. That fire was set by the right wing, who have fed those tribalist flames every day since.
You are ignoring the fact that we have the ability to objectively and empirically evaluate the results of given political ideologies and thus can make moral and qualitative judgments regarding them. Doing so shows conclusively that all tyranny, by definition, is the result of collectivism governed by generalized egalitarianism. This is what was "demonized" during the cold war. The left has always straw-manned anyone criticizing socialism by claiming such criticisms are "xenophobic" and "racist" against the citizens living under tyrannical regimes. Not to mention the abjectly grotesque slander of senator McCarthy of whom the Venona communications completely vindicated: ruclips.net/video/wljpYZ8wejA/видео.html.
Also, Democrats, liberals, progressives are the ideological decedents of the embedded Marxists who infiltrated government, education, and society after WWI as evidenced by all of the supporting evidence I've linked to in this post. However, such extensive evidence is not required as a cursory comparison of their policies, both social and economic, with the communist manifesto/Das Capital, clearly show their ideological bent. Even many on the right support socialism through government funding of the MIC, social programs, and government controlled policing agencies and armed bureacracies. This is an empirical matter of fact not to mention verified from "the horses mouth" itself vis-a-vis Yuri Bezmenov: ruclips.net/video/zgmg2VFX058/видео.html and Norman Dodd: ruclips.net/video/YUYCBfmIcHM/видео.html&list=PLDYo2mCHvADQyn8zCTas4TSe6E-yWtvoI&t=1066.
Also, it would help if you would substantiate your claim: "That fire was set by the right wing, who have fed those tribalist flames every day since". I will politely ignore the fact that this last statement is an example of your first statement: "Absolutizing virtue on one's side and evil on another goes back in history as far as we can look."
@@EnFuegoDuo ...You claim ''all tyranny, by definition, is the result of collectivism governed by generalized egalitarianism''. That is absolute hogwash. Are you really claiming that all tyrannical monarchs and dictators of history have been collectivist? Please. Read a history book.
Do I agree with Peterson on the dangers of Marxism? Certainly, but for the reason that over centralization is inherently dangerous (as America's Founders warned). Too much centralization is too tempting for dangerously ambitious men (like Stalin). This is precisely why over- centralization of power in any forms of government too easily lead to tyranny, not just''collectivist'' forms.
If you support what McCarthy did, your credentials as a loyal American are suspect. We are supposed to be free to choose our own politics in this country, including communism, if that is the choice. I may find such a choice terribly mistaken, but a real American knows that McCartyesque suppression of uncomfortable ideologies is the act of a frightened, insecure and unamerican people.
By the way, given the fact that sources can be found supporting anything, your providing links means absolutely nothing.
I state again, modern American political tribalism has been created and maintained almost entirely by right wing media. These propaganda organs are the creation of wealthy right wingers. Their goal is money - lowering their taxes and increasing their subsidies. They promote this tribal hatred to an audience who they wouldn't associate themselves with. You are the marks in a big con. Congratulations.
@@frankhoffman3566 Your response is unsubstantiated and illegitimate as you failed to refute any hard data I provided. Not to mention you seem to lack any understanding of the definition collectivism. You are not a serious person, but rather an ideologue in search of confirmation bias. I have no interest in irrational nonsense and ad hominem. If you ever do decide to educate yourself I would be happy to discuss however, I have my doubts given the intellectual dishonesty plainly on display here.
@@EnFuegoDuo ... Right wing patsies ALWAYS construe disagreement as evil and dishonesty. The propaganda organs, so similar to the soviet style media outlets, train you to see things that way.
Likewise, although you lack knowledge in politics and history, you are programmed to declare your adversaries lacking in that knowledge. This is limbaughist nonsense in its essence. This overweight, college flunkout junkie tells you that he is educating you, and you are foolish enough to believe it.
The tough minded conservatives of old are gone. Today's right wingers are the group most easily conned in American history. There is no wack job conspiracy that you won't believe. You never hear right wingers say ''talk is cheap'' any more. It's been probably a half century since you heard a conservative say ''I'm from Missouri. Show me''. Have fun with your hatreds and conspiracies. Science tells us you experience them as pleasure. I thank God I do not.
People are uncomfortable with the term “privileged."
"If you are a white person in America, you were born privileged. That’s just a fact. It’s nothing to be ashamed of. It’s not anybody’s fault. There’s no need to get defensive about it. The best thing to do is just acknowledge it."
The fact that white people are privileged in America doesn't always mean you have the "Best," life. Its has nothing to do with coming from wealth or that you always get what you want.
Obviously being white doesn’t give you a pass to be lazy and shiftless. Obviously it doesn’t automatically guarantee you success. Having white skin no more relieves you of taking responsibility for your life, working hard and thinking smart than it does for people with dark skin, not at all.
But it does mean that you have a head start over the dark skinned humans.
White privilege means that you were born with an inherent advantage (Your skin color) over every other race of people. The whiteness of your skin alone allows you to leave the starting gate quicker and to run the race with fewer obstacles. White skin comes with certain other perks, too, many of which are taken for granted.
I mean, just look at American culture itself, it's white-centric! Just think about the fact that, if you were an African-American, you'd rarely find makeup that matches your exact skin tone. That’s just an inconvenience, though. Other issues require much more attention.
If you were born white, you are likely to earn more money than an African-American or Hispanic co-worker who does the same work. You are more likely to be considered for a promotion than a racial minority who is just as qualified. Just in case.( www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2018/03/19/594993620/forget-wealth-and-neighborhood-the-racial-income-gap-persists )
Again, let me reiterat. This has nothing do with a person’s actual level of intelligence. It has nothing to do with how talented or untalented someone really is. It has nothing to do with the kind of human being someone is. It is all about perception.
But the perception many white people have about other white people - whether it is conscious or subconscious - is that they are smarter, more ambitious, more dependable and harder working than African-Americans. Do you think the statement is true? Commit to an honest reflection and ask yourself if you think like this
“Privilege is hard work and sacrifice. Then when paid for this hard work … others who do nothing get jealous and bring race into it,"
Not so!
Black and brown people have no reason to be angry with white people for being born white. We don’t buy into the adage that because someone happened to be white, they are smarter than the rest of us. Nor do we believe that every white person seated at the head table deserves a space there.
What we do understand is that white skin opens doors that often slam shut in the faces of dark skin. That’s what we have a problem with.
It is EASY to blame the staggering unemployment rates among African-Americans and Hispanics on their lack of education, training or individual initiative. In America, we like to think that the "dream" can be achieved by anyone who works hard to attain it. But that simply isn’t true.
Source:
www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-met-white-privilege-dahleen-glanton-20180328-story.html
What you, and so many other people around, fail to understand are these 2 very important points:
1. "White" wealth in North America was built through 300 years of working. You don't take into account heritage. If you were born to a familly that made its wealth through decades and maybe centuries, of course you'll have a headstart. It doesn't make it racist, nor does it make it a privilege, and it will take some time for people of colour to build the same wealth as their presence here is very recent. And this goes for people who were born to not so old families, or families that could not thrive. I'm white, and oh god did I not have a headstart in life. I worked for what I have earned, trust me, and I'm not even the one who's worked the hardest. I'm faring worse than black people whose familly have established themselves 6 generations ago and worked to get to the top. If that black person was born in the right familly, they'll have a headstart too.
2. We are a predominantely white culture, because -- I reiterate -- we've been here for centuries. We've reproduced, we built a civilisation essentially made of white people. Of course products are adapted to the culture that make up their customers, of course TV shows target an audience and hire people that form the culture, of course it's "white centric" as you call it. Visit South Korea for me please. Tell me how many whites you see on TVs, and by white I mean European, because if anything, Koreans are whiter than Europeans. Go to the Congo. Tell me if you see any white on TV, or if you'll find tons of make up for white people in stores. Or if you read a story that has a white character (that is not a bad motherfucker).
it's too easy to play the race card and blame the bad white man. But take these 2 points into consideration, and I certainly hope that you'll change your mind. It's a damn lack of respect for those who worked their arses off and sacrificed themselves to build their wealth and give their children the best life possible. Give it time, give it TIME and more and more people of colour will live in North America, and with that, you'll see the rise of products offered to every type of skin, TV shows that have PoC characters. It will eventually reflect an heterogenous civilization. Right now, the percentage of PoC in the US is still not 50%. So. Give it time, instead of blaming the bad white people -- and just think a little too.