The Devil and Karl Marx | Dr. Paul Kengor | EP 455
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
- Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with author, historian, and professor of political science, Dr. Paul Kengor. They discuss the lifestyle, writings, and religious ideations of Karl Marx, how communist dogma evolved through modern day, and why equal outcome is wrong on the level of malevolence.
Paul Kengor, Ph.D., is a professor of political science at Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania, and editor of The American Spectator. He’s a New York Times bestselling author of more than 20 books, including “The Devil and Karl Marx” and “The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism,” which is the basis of the new movie “Reagan,” starring Dennis Quaid. Kengor is a renowned historian of the Cold War, communism, and Reagan presidency.
This episode was recorded on June 7th, 2024
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:26) Intro
(2:16) The Devil and Karl Marx
(4:08) The dark poetry of Karl Marx
(7:43) Goethe’s Faust, Mephistopheles and anti-being
(16:47) How Marx lived: disorder and disgust
(18:52) Marx’s nursemaid, to refuse your own child
(23:27) Marx wouldn’t bathe: boils and rage
(25:30)The Communist Manifesto
(28:33) Slogans over substance
(29:55) Why was an atheist writing about Satan?
(35:59) Marx’s ethnicity and early religion, how this influenced his work
(37:59) Why did the biographers ignore Marx’s poetry and faith?
(39:14) Why and when did Marx become an atheist? Professor Bruno Bauer
(47:03) How Marx was described by those who knew him
(51:40) Was Karl Marx a Satanist?
(58:41) Presentism and the arrogance of Leftism
(1:12:00) Religion is not the opiate of the masses
(1:19:12) Dostoevsky, the fundamental flaw with communism
(1:21:11) Modern Marxism: far from economics
(1:24:59) Cain and Abel: the first victim/victimizer narrative
(1:32:21) How deep has the communist infiltration gone?
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This conversation needs to be expanded into a semester-long course and offered to all first-year college students in the US and Canada!
My son took his semester course
I agree 100%.
The spiritual battle would be hard if that course became a reality, by the way.
Seriously.
@@ulysses_grant The spiritual battle is hard without this imaginary course being a reality. Also, Satan is loosing this battle. I really believe that it is the end game for Satan. Once a critical mass wakes up to the fact that the Devil exists and it is acting through humans who have lost their humanity or compliant with humans who lost their humanity, the mask will fall off and it will be over. We, as a collective, have started to confront it.
Its a class called "Marxism" taught by Dr. Kengor at Grove City College. I have taken it.
As an ex-communist of reasonably high rank inside the Academy for years in the areas of Philosophy and Politics, I have to say what is clear now to me: the battle was NEVER communism vs. capitalism. It was always communism vs. Christianity.
To be thorough, it's Satan (capitalism + communism) vs. God
@@evenguyen2106Satan isn’t real. He’s not even in the original version of the Bible. It was made up to keep the Romans paying their taxes.
You are probably neither, 'cause if you still believe in god, after all you've learned about the materialistic world that surround us, and that spirituality doesn't exist, it means that you probably didn't learn anything.
Always Christianity vs …
Always the genuine vs the counterfeit.
@@evenguyen2106 Property rights is literally in the 10 commandments "don't steal".
God gives Talents. He commands us to use them and expand his Kingdom as it is in Heaven.
In college, I was somewhere between a Nietzschean and a Marxist. My life was a chaotic, stressful wreck.
20 years later, I'm a Traditional Catholic convert, Philosopher, Historian, Conservative, married, semi-retired, large family, good life.
Marx should be taught as a warning, never a philosophy.
what's wrong with being a Nietzschean?
Not just Marxism. We should always warn against ideologies. Ideologies always seek to be all encompassing and force everybody to follow their tenets. They share that with religions.
Amen to that, Brother. The only success and joy I've had are from sound traditional catholic concepts. My faith and family give life purpose and meaning true joy.
@@nicholaswilson2155The dignity of all mankind, the true love of others, forgiveness and repentance. That is anti Marxist and what brings this world together in a true peace that we have never witnessed because it goes against our selfish desires and we reject it. That is why we sin.
Shifted the locus controle to God, so it has to be easier.
It's a scary thought if JP's brilliance remained limited to 50 college students, and was never introduced to the world for this kind of content. The radical left gifted him to us.
Thank you, Cathy.
Yes ..almost a bit of a divine plan...he will certainly be able to show the Lord how he used his allotted talents
Very.
@@LouiseDay-bd4qi-And yet he just can’t accept Christ because as a scientist the Fact of his death and resurrection is beyond his “reasoning”. I also am saddened that he’s aligned himself with the RINO Shapiro and his gang of satanic zionists.
As Paul's thorn in his flesh mentioned in his second letter to the church at Corinth did for him, "...my power is made perfect in weakness"
"Hatred of the good for being the good." The purest definition of evil.
This should be on a T-shirt!
Is it a secret wish to be good? is it a feeling of the opposites? there must be both in the world, the wise man walks the middle path. mephisto hates his lott, he cannot change his fate, so he lashes out at reality. why do satan and his angel fall? was it ever really their choice? hard to say..
@@alexanderc3467 Good pont. My opinion is its the desire to be better than good. The desire to create utopia. The quote is from Ayn Rand, who had personal experience with communism. Whether you believe in God or evolution, the world is the way it is, not the way we would like it to be. In a changing and imperfect world, all men must work to adapt and prosper. To believe that there is a better way is to change the world as it is. Utopia does not exist, it is a dream in men's minds, as depicted in the garden of eden or heaven.
K@@thegeneralist7527
KARL MARX WAS ALSO A SATANIST!!! HE WAS DEEPLY INTO THE OCCULT!!! COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM ARE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN!!! SHALOM AND AMEN!✝️✝️🛐🛐😇🌟🤗🙏🙏🙏🇨🇦🇮🇱♾️🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🗽🦅‼️
Something the Christ said that we all need to hold to: By their fruits ye shall know them. Just hearing about the state of Marx's life lets me know that I shouldn't do anything he ever advocated for.
Agreed. Mohammed is another one.
I hope you hold Trump to the same standard
@@janstone2365found the liberal
@@janstone2365 yea I hope you hold sleepy pdf file joe to it too
Indeed. Someone told me recently that sometimes you can be a person's only hope. A few nights ago I observed something that startled and sickened me. It was a live sexual predator stalking a young woman. It was clear the young woman was going out of here way to avoid and get away from that Boogeyman we all heard about. For a moment it brought to mind a mouse trapped in a terrarium and I had a front row view of what happens next. There were people around of course and yet it felt like I was the only one aware. I was left with hyper vigilance. I just kept an eye on things until I was sure the young woman was safe. The next day I happened upon that weirdo again, but at a public park. We actually startled each other this time. Except, I spooked the Boogeyman this time. I pulled up on his bumper inadvertently. Meaning, I popped up behind him and he got spooked. I had a chance to take matters into my own hands. Just in case ya know? That idea would be short lived however. An older white man came up to the predator face to face and begin to engage him. They started arguing about who was there first. The old man told him he had been watching him all morning and saw when he first arrived. That made the predator uneasy and defensive. He also became aggressive towards the old man and looked back at me realizing there's no escape if things go down. The old head then shot me a glance as if to say, I know. I wanna get that SOB too. But, not like this. I breathed a sigh of relief, thanking God that somebody else noticed that creep too😎
Our culture needs so much more educating on what communism and Marxism is.
THats difficult because the right left education to these people. Our tax money pays for Marxists to brainwash your children in the namecof "education." The number one threat yo America is the Teachers Union and the Board of education
Like what? Marxism is a failed viloent oppressive inefficient philosophy that's self evident and beyond any refutation.
We have the same problem with people that say they have read "The wealth of nations" while they have barely read past page 100 - and simply don't know what Adam Smith wrote about a social safety net.
Agreed
We should know how it looks, what it sounds like, and how to spot it.
But instead they’ve been doing the opposite in schools
Man, the majority of americans cant even name the continents ... they dont have the basics in chemistry, math, history... maybe bebause you are too deep into ancient myths instead of the real world
It is a very rare conversation that I can listen to and forget I'm a spectator. Great job, Doctors. Thank you for letting us enjoy it
Fr 👏
Marx needed JP advice " clean out your room, before thinking to fix the world, man!"
😂
Take a bath!!!!!
Shave your beard
Yep, although it seems like Marx wanted to destroy the world not fix it, and he did destroy himself and his family first and made a lot of "progress" toward the other.
100%
25:44 “Marx never set foot in the field or factory” 🫳🎤
Neither did Fidel Castro. The dude never worked for a living. His Father and father in law both paid all the bills, rent, food. Once he spent a whole monthly allowance in a book set, Mussollini Biography.
Unbelievable that a guy who never even worked had the balls to change the course of human history by claiming to be for the people who worked their asses off.
Yep, like all socialists!!
Most of the high ups in all the regimes never did. Most of them were of the aristocracy. They were rich kids who were able to sit around and philosophize about fixing the world, when they were completely out of touch. They didn’t know how the actual world worked. They wanted to be perceived as virtuous, just like the kids of today. That’s why I’ve always insisted Marx didn’t write for the working class. If you ever read his stuff, it’s obvious he’s writing it for the educated aristocracy. Very few men of that time period would be able to read that and really grasp what he saying, unless they were properly educated. Which most working class men at that time had very rudimentary reading skills, if they were able to read at all. He wasn’t writing to the working man. He was writing to the rich. That’s why he wrote about vanguardism and getting the most “class-conscious” to lead the sheep because he essentially thought they were too stupid to know what was good for them. Most of them thought and had very low feelings for the working class and particularly the peasantry. If you look at it objectively, without passion for a utopian world (which is what it does perfectly-it preys on people’s weaknesses and false hopes with a bunch of nice sounding rhetoric), their solutions don’t really make sense, and are even contradictory a lot, unless you look at it from an aspect of power.
Don't think it had anything to do with sympathy for workers
It just happened to be the cause that could be exploited for the end goal of destruction..
I used to know a lot of hard core Marxist/communist/radical punk/hippie/crusty types when I was a young metal head kid and it’s CRAZY hearing you dissect their psychology because I have distinct memories of things they would say or how they acted that just fit this pattern described of Marx so neatly. And finding out Marx was filthy, of course he was… so were all these people! Almost like their ideology informed their very existence.
Chaotic and toxic people that blamed everyone around them for their failings but couldn’t exert any effort towards cleaning themselves up and trying to make something out of their lives. A lot of them really identified with dark characters like Loki the trickster Norse spirit and they were obsessed with playing out these demonic narratives of themselves as misunderstood heroes. A lot of them also really toyed with the idea of burning everything to the ground, or that humans were a plague, etc etc
Fascinates me how certain psychologies just collect around certain ideas
Yes. I've had these types in my life... work, school, neighbors... They are typically weak in character, and will never admit their inadequacies, but instead try and mask them in some false Virtue. Like, I don't believe in violence because I'm a pacifist... in reality - No. You're a pacifist because you're a Coward, and it just sounds better to say it your way.
f'ing well written, my friend. thank you!
Thank you for sharing this
This is the most Jordan Peterson podcast yet.
Seriously good timing and topic🌝
@@ReshonBryant glad I could inspire it. While you do nothing but provoke.
You will lose.
@@ashleywalker1411 Jesus doesn't lose honey. I'm at the apex for a reason 🐻
@@ReshonBryant you are in a fake spiritual battle.
But you will encounter the REAL one soon.
Enjoy.
@@ashleywalker1411 okay you still haven't provided evidence that I'm not King David's descendant tho👻
Incidentally my favourite author is Ivan Turgenev. He and Karl Marx were both 1818-1883. I just looked at their dates of birth and death and found that they both lived for 64 years and 296 days. One producing beauty and one sewing havoc and cruelty.
Character Bazarov (Fathers and Sons) embodies this rigid and materialistic approach to life. Humanist Turgenev gave him an infatuation with a beautiful woman and a slow death, to help reflect on his radical views.
It’s fascinating how being given the same amount of days and years to spend can yield utterly irreconcilable outcomes.
Sowing
@@ProdigalSon684I believe both spellings' are correct. Sew typically refers to fabric while sow refers to the farming act of planting but I've read sewing applied to farming as well.
Turgenev was incredibly intelligent and perceptive and saw exactly where all this shit would take us. While writing some of the most beautiful novels in the Russian tradition.
Wow I'm definitely going to reference this video when I'm talking with people who think Marx was a hero.
Same!
Saving on my phone.
Stunningly pitch black? That’s your synopsis? Marx was a possessed lunatic. That’s the correct summation. And unfortunately his work is still championed by Artists and intellectuals alike. I’m thankful for people like Jordan ridding and debunking this parasitic ideology.
Anyone who thinks Karl Marx was a “hero” is not educated on his ideology.
Same! Too many people have no idea!
That letter that marx’s father wrote him is heart breaking. Definitely a plea from father to a son to be happy and let go of the childish rage that his son posses.
Marx was to poetry, what Hitler was to painting.
Yes .I thought the same they can not create only destroy. Frustrated creative impulse inverted.
Both were of Jewish descent, but Hitler worked and sold some drawings.
TIL failed artists turn into genocidal intellectuals.
Marx wasnt a poet lol wtf. He was a writer/philosopher.
@locosbarbas So the poems about death were gathered from a Cherrios cereal box? Perhaps cracker Jack's?
currently listening to his book. Karl Marx is more revolting than i thought. My stomach was turning on my drive home hearing about how he treated his family.
Does he address the fact of Marx being a racist that no woke person would tolerate (Or... would they)?
Because he definitely was.
You mean karl how he treated his family?
yep
we need to learn about cook before we eat his meal
Why people teach woke?
Woke American culture has nothing to do with the original Soviet/Russian communism and socialism. For gods sake gays were illegal in the Soviet Union while in USA now all comunists are gay wtf.
I prefer Groucho. Karl’s jokes never land.
*honk honk*
Honk honk.
Karl's best joke was The Money, though...
Karl Marx is funny but not funny ha ha.
Groucho tells jokes, Karl is a joke.
God uses the foolish to shame the wise, and the weak to shame the strong
I love this comment
You are a fool
Everything's polarity. Balance.
By God do you mean Satan ? 👺👹💀☠️💩✌️
@@smartypants4571 1 Corinthians 1:27
but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong,
Wow, now I am realizing how much impact in my life this man had. When I was influenced by post modern philosophy and marxism (I read nothing but I was under the influence anyway) I was exactly like that. More filthy, disorderly, my life was a mess, and I was ungrateful with my parents despite I was asking for money all the time
Ahh, classic. Not really but somehow being adjacent on a book shelf to unread Marx made me do it. Ironclad. Careful of those people with that genocidal slant in their house clutter.
Respect! That you now can see and formulate your errors and try to do better. That shows true greatness.
Marx was an admirer of spite, Cain style. And despite the fact that I live in a post-communist country, the "Pitesti Experiment" country, I have yet to meet a communist who admires even one virtue, they all hate work, humility, the good of others and all other aspects that are related to the principle of sacrifice.
I’ve worked with lots of former communist era people. There’s definitely something missing from them.
Vai ce prost esti, stai la tara.
I just finished reading "Red Horizons." Watched the film of Ceausescu's final stand here on RUclips. One thing that haunts me is Pacepa's claim that the structure of the Communist state remained even after the fall of the regime. What's your thought on the culture/political structure of Romania today?
@@franklincormorant8312The complete removal of all communists from leadership or administrative structures is an absurd claim.
The fact that Romania, today, is first and foremost an Orthodox Christian country, a member of NATO and a member of the EU, speaks for itself about the fact that despite all the difficulties encountered after the removal of the Ceaușescu family, Romanians are gradually healing their wounds and heading, at a optimally pace, in the opposite direction to totalitarian regimes, but this process needs to be generational and as a little over 30 years have passed since then, it is obviously insufficient and this insufficiency is felt here and there.
I am not worried about the cultural and political structure in Romania, I am worried about the activism and ideology in Canada, USA, UK, France, Germany, I am worried about the fact that there is a communist Pope, etc.
@@franklincormorant8312 The complete removal of all communists from leadership or administrative structures is an absurd claim.
The fact that Romania, today, is first and foremost an Orthodox Christian country, a member of NATO and a member of the EU, speaks for itself about the fact that despite all the difficulties encountered after the removal of the Ceaușescu family, Romanians are gradually healing their wounds and heading, at a optimally pace, in the opposite direction to totalitarian regimes, but this process needs to be generational and as a little over 30 years have passed since then, it is obviously insufficient and this insufficiency is felt here and there.
I am not worried about the cultural and political structure in Romania, I am worried about the activism and ideology in Canada, USA, UK, France, Germany, I am worried about the fact that there is a communist Pope, etc.
You know, Dr. Peterson, I studied a bit of Marx in university. And I had a classmate who insisted I was WRONG about Marx and Marxism. It makes my blood run cold to think of it. I connect Marx in my thoughts with the Man of Sin in St. Paul’s second epistle to Thessalonians, who opposed and exalts himself above all that is called God, sitting in the temple of God showing himself that he is God. And I was taught that the Man of Sin is the physical embodiment of the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet and Our Lord.
Being that this is a more difficult podcast it will have to wait until my kids, worn out from a day of swimming and catching frogs and playing on their scooters and going for ice cream, have a (HOPEFULLY) early bedtime.
With so very very much love from
Ruth Anne
If you don't have time, note that you can listen at a higher speed. I regularly listen at 1.5 speed. The control is in RUclips itself.
@@kellyw8017time isn’t the issue, it’s that some of the things Dr. Peterson is discussing in this podcast are a bit mature for my kids. They’re elementary school age and I don’t want them overhearing some of this.
@@afringedgentian5426wireless headphones are the best
Why are our higher institution praising Woke/LBGT whatever? Same deception!
@@afringedgentian5426 Makes sense.
My wife used to critisize this stuff as demonic, and I never took her seriously. This conversation was very enlightning and helped tie up some loose notions about marxism that I couldnt really make sense of.
Listen to your wife!
Same with feminism. Check it out
Sometimes the ladies get it right! Wish mine did ☹️
I am not inherently political in nature, but I always sensed that it was seriously abnormal and deranged. I did not go on to the conclusion that it was Actually demonic - which it definitely is.
Trust in her. She knows, she feels it, she understands. You love, trust in her ❤
I'm very observant of negative energy & evil entities , some people are very receptacle to energies (good and bad) we will always try to protect those we love the most
I consider myself more educated than before I watched this. Thank you.
Never knew this about Marx, how come none said this before.
..probably this information was intentionally hidden...
Propaganda. The devil is a propagandist. Marx represents the intellect of the devil on Earth. It's used against God, love, humanity. You attack life with a narrative. You choose destruction of the intellect too. God's intellect is superior. God is not a propgandist. Marxism is a brain disease, a hypnosis.
This is a common knowlege in free world and i am not sarcastic.
If you’re in the US like me, we already live in a socialist democracy. The powers that be would rather not let us know that we are already living in a dark country. I thought communism was a scary word before.
@@VladZ972 American who using logic? Rare breed. Nice to meet you Владимир.
I say this as JP fan since 2015.
JP is getting better at letting the guest speak, but still some room to improve. Speaks over the guest too often. At times, it's warranted but i would prefer if he interruptes them less. Timing is everything. Thanks for what you do JP
JP is incredibly impressed with himself, and deservedly so.
I do agree sometime as early in this interview we missed a line that Marx idolised and JP knew what it was and commented on it bit we missed what the line was.. by Faust, if I spelled that right
I dunno I kind of like when he interrupts - he’s usually when he’s connecting ideas and I think his best insights come out. But I guess it’s just personal preference. He plays intellectual tennis with his guests and I really enjoy watching it.
@@Zoeread19 yew I do agree but when we missed the line Kengor was talking about because JP knew the line and then went on to comment about it we didn't actually get to hear the line. Doesn't stop this being a brilliant interview though.. just something that slipped through the cracks, that's all.
@@Zoeread19He is usually ahead of everybody, intellectually speaking, probably he is not even aware of it.
Wow. This is why history is so important and why we need to study it not to make the same mistakes twice or not to go down the wrong path again.👍🙏
Uh yeah but the problem is the public education system was created by satanists ... Rockefeller...
These men are a lot alike. This is so interesting, I'm more engaged in this conversation than I was in any class I've taken, ever.
Wake up people! Cry out to God, who alone can save from this Madness!
The comment about Marx's hatred of his father made me curious if there is a correlation between paternal hatred and communist belief structures. It seems correct from anecdotal evidence from my interactions with people growing up. Anyone else experience a similar trend?
This would be good to explore. Great observation.
Mao also hated his father and spoke in front of others about his fantasies of torturing him. (his father was dead by then I believe)
I hate mine because they are woke communists 😢
@@peterlynley As did Hitler. Not a communist obviously but nevertheless.
Sure children belong to the state Hitler, Trudeau Stalin we heard it
Swapping out my front headlights while listening to this discussion. Time flew by and I almost got it done. (some asshole worked on them previously and hid some bolts in my front bumper to hold it up flush with the lights and I want to find him now to tell him how much I loved his work on my car) Thanks Dr.Peterson and Kengor!
Really. Swapping out headlights? I wished I thought of doing that!
JP's podcast is one of the few that i can actually watch and listen to all of the way thru without getting distracted or watching something else.⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️. And im not exactly some genius with undivided attention.
Satanism is not worshiping the devil, it is worshipping yourself: Atheism. The devil knows how a man destroys himself. The “Satanic Bible” reads: There is only one commandment: Do what you want.
The surest way to complete misery is to think and feel about yourself all the time. Very good point.
Satan means adversary, it’s anything which rivals god but all roads lead to the same result.
Biblically the earliest form of satan worship is the worshipping of pagan gods such as Baal and Moloch.
The rituals are described as bargaining with self harm, human sacrifice etc secular history shows many cultures also performed sex rituals and taking primitive concoction’s (drugs).
Satan means adversary, it’s anything which rivals god.
The earliest form of satanism was pagan worship of baal and moloch.
All roads lead to the same results.
Six is the number of man, and to repeat it three times is like to uplift it to holy status. It is the mark of pride in one's self like the individual ego becoming a Tower of Babel. And it eventually falls like that tower. That is the fate of men that pretend to be gods.
That is one interpretation of the mark, and the one that I use: 7 signifying God's perfection. 6 being short of it and next to God. "Holy" is repeated three times in Revelation chapter 4 when the living creatures worshiped God. So to repeat 6 three times is a mark of ultimate pride. It is worshiping the self.
I continue to hear that , it’s the worship of one self that’s akin to evil , and that that was what turned satan against god. Trippy stuff man.
Please have him again. Excellent discussion.
This is one of the most important interviews I’ve seen on RUclips.
This is like PhD ping-pong. They read each other's mind and finish each other's phrases. It is a wonder to behold.
30:
I appreciate it as well.
Reading the comments about it from perspectives much more central to the traditional me me, is rather daunting.
Intelligence feeds intelligence.
Similar to how when you see someone yawn, you may find yourself yawning.
Well said.
PhD Ping Pong - that’s a great phrase… P3
9:40. 9:40 Wasn’t it Winston Churchill who said, “The inherent vice of Capitalism is the unequal sharing of its blessings, while the inherent vice of Communism is the equal sharing of its miseries?”
Depends on what we mean by comminism.
Goes well with the well-known motto of Socialism "If we can't be rich let's all be equally poor".
Except that the powerful do quite nicely in communism.
@@christophersnedekercan’t really imagine that there are any variations really when it comes to Communism, so I’d imagine he meant, communism communism, nothing to get confused about there.
@christophersnedeker I'm glad that you recognize that there's a lot more nuance to communism than most people acknowledge. There's many forms and they all have their own specific faults.
Marx has so much to answer for it seems. The woke culture today is straight out of Marx's early philosophy!!
Herbert Marcuse and the Frankfurt school, reimagined marx ideas with psychology, making social justice with it's leaning on shame based progressivism.
Just keep believing this nonsense instead of solving real world problems
Yes and that's terrifying. Satan is having a good run.
Then it’s the woke who should answer for Marx’s sins.
It’s those who enact these ideas who have responsibility to thus day.
Excellent discussion . "You can vote communism into power, but you can't vote it out" - Trevor Louden
That's what happens with all ideologies. They are always intended to be all emcompassing and will attempt to force everybody to adhere to their tenets when they get strong enough. Ideologies like communism is always presented as a quick fix and when you first say yes - you are caught in a net of misery.
Or to be less clever by way of referencing the thing we know you get triggered by: you can vote a future authoritarian ruler into office, but once he's in and takes all the power, you don't get to tell him what to do. But sure, it only actually is applicable to communism....Soviets are gone....China doesn't even have universal healthcare or limited social programs like Medicaid and massive wealth disparity.....where is the communist state you're mongering the fear over again?
I find this conversation so astonishing and beautiful. Well at the same time sad and heartbreaking
In the recent Darkhorse podcast Heather Weinstein said: Utopia contrasts with biology. She read a text comparing the prison of Utopia with how human beings are more inclined to seek adventure and the discomfort it brings
On March 14th 1883, Karl Marx made his greatest contribution to the world, HE DIED.
What an extraordinary conversation. This would rank as my all time favorite from JP.
Everyone needs to read Dr. Kengor's book. I had to stop reading about 2/3 of the way through. I was just too sickened to continue.
The was such a rich and interesting conversation. Very little now a days can hold completely undivided attention. Bless you both and thank you for the conversation.
Everyone should watch this and Jesus Christ is King ❤
Hail Satan
@@Antidoton God bless you ❤️
Keep chasing a Jewish ghost.
I always love JBP's interviews, but this one was really memorable, will be watching it again. Thanks so much
Thank you JP. It is a treat to have such smart and informative people on your show, promoting essential readings, offering insightful opinions and viewpoints, and all of this for free
This is a bit weird. I just randomly pulled Faust off of my bookshelf today and now this popped up. Coincidence?
...Almost certainly
I did the same thing, although it was a few days ago.
There’s no such thing as coincidence.
No.
I think NOT! 😄
Jung would call it Synchronicity.
"Communism represents the most radical, conceivable rupture in traditional relations." Until Queer Theory.
It is the Same Cr@P, just with a different name and costumes.
Queer Theory is actually about questioning and tearing down all norms, all boundaries, forever. It is the exact same destructive agenda.
But Queer Theory is marinated in Marxist dialectic already. It's the endgame, if not close to it.
Disrupting, or even only mocking personal, life-giving relationships, which are the foundation of society, is pretty destructive.
@@virginiacharlotte7007 Well I don't know if it's "the same crap" - but it certainly IS cr@p.
I have been digesting this talk for about 6 hours.
Wow, such an enlightening conversation. I'm grateful for it!
Love Dr. Kengor! He was a great guest on Pints with Aquinas, too!
Dr Kengoor sounds very interesting and sounds closer to the truth than those who view Marx as a fair guy looking out for the best interests of the many. Thanks for the heads up, I'm definitely going to check out the Pints with Aquinas interview.
Having lived decades in Communism, and years in USSR, I find myself that I speak to moving walls in Canada when I try to explain why we are repeating this ugly history and why we should be careful on vague promises, such as "let's help this disadvantaged group". Nobody is asking why, how, and especially "for how long?". For how long do we need to preach that we are a "multi-cultural" country, when this is so obvious? "Are we there yet?", was also a question in Socialist countries about whether we have reached the Communist "heights". How long until a specific identity group is "satisfied"? Is anyone measuring this? And why do we need to create special departments in large financial and public institutions that deal with "Diversity and Inclusion", which aim to cater to specific identity groups and preach to the other non-special ones? Communists also had Party cells in each factory to sing songs about how the "leading working class" needs to continue to lead over less important class of intelectuals. Only workers were promoted to better positions, much like the stated need by businesses in Canada to fill positions by special identity group members as they have to implement the Employment Equity Act of 1995. We are creating a culture of mediocrity, hatred, secrecy and envy in Canada. Wait, it is already here...
Amen. As I Canadian I am worried about the future of our country. Glad we still have sensible Canadians such as yourself that are not afraid to speak up…
@@canadianninja1756 Thanks friend. I am fed up with being explained at my age what "diversity" means by some Canadian apparatchiks. You learn basic concepts from you parents when you are young. Canada is an Orwellian realm. Look at all rainbow flags shown at banks. What does sexuality have to do with banking? This is all insane.
Love the energy of this exchange. Two very knowledgeable people who sharing fascinating ideas with each other.
The one conversation that literally everyone should watch.
Dearest Dr. Peterson, I was wondering if, when you are able, when you feel up to it, you might be able to update how your Dad is doing. I think I speak for all of us who watched your podcast with him when I say many of us tucked him away in our hearts. He reminded me so much of my own loved ones who have gone on before. I wanted to ask you how he was when I saw you but did not want to cause you pain because I know how worried you have been and how you needed to be strong for the remainder of the tour. I care, so very dearly, and so much more dearly for having met you face to face.
Your faithful
Ruth Anne
His father passed away. JP was recently back in Alberta for his funeral.
@@NightLetterLondonhis mum passed away and his father was in hospital, that is the latest from Dr. Peterson.
At 46:33 the quote he is looking for is “The emancipation of the Jews, in the final analysis, is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism.”
Dang. And meanwhile Jews fought to keep their religious practices despite the fatal risks of living under the Soviets. And I know some of the descendants of those who fought to keep their faith alive. They survived and thrived while the Soviets fell.
My family kept the faith in Soviet Russia, despite the risks.
I'm not a fan of Marx. But to be fair, one should also add that this text about the "Judenfrage" was also a text about the possibility for the emancipation of the jews. And that the problem he (and Bruno Bauer) saw was the problem of the Jews always separating themselves from the people of a given state, and especially so from a christian state. In a way, they both were arguing (with Feuerbach) that both religions, judaism and christianity, should be replaced by a form of humanism. And this humanism would reach its utmost height by understanding / critiquing the material / economic basis of a given society.
Thus, Marx concludes, the thing we (!) jews have to learn is to give up judaism, so that we can be emancipated into a state of humanism. This is what he says. And in this sense, the quote above was an almost hegelian and dialectic critique of the kinds of contradictions, which exist and result from the encounter of the jewish people with a christian society / state. That is what I would like to add, because it was not spoken of within the interview.
Marx Jew alinsky Jew bolsheviks jew makes you wonder
@peterpedersen3988 yes I've heard this argument before. Sadly it is naive and giving up the Jewish identity has never worked out for us.
Thanks for taking the time to share this dialog. Very insightful.
I was so enthralled with this discussion. The enthusiasm for ideas and history expressed by these two learned men is contagious. I hope they can get together again soon for another captivating discussion. Thank you. ❤
I had no idea that Marx was so detestable in so many ways. This is like a college course. Thank you.
Excellent conversation gentleman, thank you for your time ❤
What a brilliant discussion. So absorbing!
I just keep learning more and more with JP.
Jordan needs to interview FR. RIPPERGER about this topic. To know the faith point of view about Communism.
The Devil will pull your rug.
YESSSSS!!!
Can't wait for that movie!
One of the best podcasts I've ever liatened to.
A very interesting discussion. I've read a few of Paul Kengor's books and, after watching this discussion, I look forward to reading more of them.
Brilliant ! This should be taught in school so the young easily swayed blockheads , will learn something
Yeah, but the schools are controlled by MARXISTS!
Been waiting for this! Yesss!
You are no snake, snake.
What a great discussion! Amazing depth of analysis.
It’s disgusting how many commercials are pre-ordained for this video. Great job DW
Admiration from Brazil!
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Another video from JP❤❤ You're a blessing Dr. Peterson
So excited for you to hit the 8 million!! The world needs you!
Jordan Peterson...you rock. Love learning through you and your guests. Thank you for sharing. Stay Great!
Esteemed Doc. Peterson I highly recommend you in a religious-Traditional perspective Schwerpunkt's videos about the Soviet Union. It would be excellent if you interviewed the guy. We very much need the strengthening of Transatlantic conservatism, especially as far as military history is concerned.
Conservatism of the left or right?
Thank you 🤍🤍🤍
This conversation needed so much Jordan! Also Albert Pikes' life work should be explained by you guys. James Lindsay and Paul Kengor always make this podcast sensational! 👌
Yessir, good idea
This was one of your most useful conversations to listen to.
You should get Shayne Smith on. He's so interesting. From a childhood of terrible abuse, to gangster, to comedian with a wildly popular Dry Bar episode to a "Purity" Heavy Metal guy to a major conversion to Christianity...he's super insightful and kind of just meandered his way out of the darkness through some good sense...He's a poster child for the modern man who grew up in this world and found it wanting. Very interesting to a psychologist. Now he and his face tattoos hang out with conservative church-goers. He's such a positive and joy-filled guy. He also has some really insightful things to say about humor and comedy and the whole human condition.
I gotta check him out. You ever watch Roseanne’s podcast? BION, she gets spiritual about culture and comedy
If only devout religious people were as devout as atheists are.
What are we supposed to be devout to exactly? The thing that doesn't exist? I mean of course, naturally, every Sunday, sing to the void about my deep passionate boy band lyric-esque love of it.
Faust is one of my favorite stories and i love how Peterson brings it up so much!
Imho your best interview yet. Absolutely riveting stuff. Bravo aux deux !
At times I was enthralled.
I’m currently reading this book. Marx (and Lenin) is an absolute PSYCHOPATH in every sense of the word.
What a great guest! Really engaging. I enjoyed this one a lot 👍
Thank you both for giving clarification and insight into what so many of us sense in these actually dangerous and potentially very dangerous times.
Thank you for this Dr. P, this episode felt like a free lecture. Learned a lot, God Bless You!
Good conversation. Needs to be spread broadly.
Karl Marx was a sloth
All commies are
Excellent discussion. Thank you both. God bless you!
This is my favorite Peterson conversation ever. What a relevant and fascinating topic!
Democratic Socialists in Shambles on Reddit right now
I agree. Both Peterson & Kengor are spot on, useful, and clear in this exchange. Terrific.
praise God
Love your age of empires picture hehe. Makes me want to play
I can't tell which of the two is more excited 😊😅 this was a very rich conversation!
This was an exceptional discussion. Thank you.
Thanks to you both
Dr Peterson if possible get James Lindsay to talk about gosticism please.
Wish you only the best!
No. Get a Christian theologian to discuss this.
@@Danboy0001 Get the pope!
JP spoke to Lindsay, it's in the archive, they speak exactly about gnosticism.
@@nuqwestr Thank you
@@ToriZealotwe aren't sure the pope is or was Catholic...from a catholic
This was a superb discussion, I knew a little about Marx but nothing about the creative writing. He was clearly a disturbed individual, he'd probably be diagnosed with a mental illness if he were alive today. He clearly broke one of Dr Peterson's 12 Rules For Life in that he didn't set his own house in order before criticising the world. It would have been better for humanity if Marx had died early of one of the 19th century maladies such as tuberculosis or syphilis. But he lived, and over 100 million people died because of Communism. Thanks to Dr Kengor and Dr Peterson for this fascinating and thought-provoking discussion, Dr Kengor will definitely need to sit down with you again to discuss his other works. 👍👍👍
Dr Peterson.. Please continue these interview discussions. This was amazing. You gave your guest time to speak and you both dug into a topic that's informing many. Beautiful.. Please continue this style and topic stream.
Wonderfully intriguing!! Good show 👍