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Honestly giorno didn’t even feel like a JoJo part 5 felt like “what if stands were real” I say that because the characters felt real to me So yes the more a part lacks a JoJo the better Unless your part 2 7 and 8
@@bootybandit9245 i mean its rather than the main character being less (as giorno is mostly the character that fights just not as much as the others) is rather the other characters being there more
@@METAsMETAs so no mcs = better part because, no jojos = better part and less jobros = better part so what is the least amount of jobros possible, 0 and with no jojo the total = 0 so no protags is best
The fact that they focused more on the gang rather than just one single Joestar character made me reallllly love part 5 since the backstories of the characters really made me feel bad for them as well as all the emotional moments hit so much harder than it did in other parts for me. The first time I ever watched part 5 I didn't feel like there was not enough Giorno honestly and despite him not doing much, he's still my most favorite Jojo (next to Johnny)
@@dagtheking5739 Yeah Giorno takes a backseat while Jotaro steals the spot light so in that sense yeah they are polar opposites 😅. But they are quite similar at the same time. Both are extremely cunning and clever. They stay calm under pressure. They have quiet and reserved personalities, They both have a strong sense of justice using their stands as judge, jury, and executioner against those who do evil.
The only highlight moment you can remember is his fight against Bucciarati?? What about 7 page muda or gold experience requiem fucking up Diavolo? Those are massive. Not to mention all his fight against minor villians.
Tbf i also forgot most of part 5, the only minor fights i somewhat remember are ghiaccio, man in the mirror (only cuz i watched a leitmotif of it), and the little feet fight (again, leitmotif).
@@smallss7197 Yeah idk, I just never got the hype for it. Most of the fights didn't stick in my head and it felt like Giorno would just sometimes pull abilities out of his ass. I just like the consistency of having only 1 or 2 abilities that other jojo's have
To add my two cents, I think that Giorno is an interesting character. He's just pretty underutilised. He did have some moments of subtle character, but it wasn't exactly enough to *characterise* him and make him stand out more.
To be fair, Araki was still experimenting with different stories, settings etc. Where in Part 1 we get a basic shonen heroic story, Part 4 with a more slice of life feel to it and Part 5 being more focused on the side characters rather than the MC. Sure its JOJO's Bizzare Adventure, but its also Jojo's BIZZARE Adventure, Araki tried out different things for these different parts and then eventually making a MASTERPIECE of Part 7 after working on the flaws of every previous part.
My problem with giorno is that he actually started out as an interesting character for me but as soon as he joined brunos gang, I cared less and less about him. Sure there are highlights ( my favourite one being his fight against chiocolatta but even here it would've been way more impactful if he fought fugo instead) and I know that he's supposed to support buccis gang and lift their spirits but I always felt it limited his character and potential to the point where I just couldn't relate to him anymore. Early giorno started out as a cunning, charismatic smart kid with a sense of justice but who was also willing to steal from people to serve his own needs. Even subtle things like his dialogue with bruno and how much we could discern from his character during this interaction. or him getting surprised and even panics at certain events without having an immediate solution at hand. All of this makes him feel more like a fully realized character. He felt more like a teenager who was minding his business on the streets of italy and yet was aware of the situation that was going on in his town.But as this part went on he got less interesting to me which is kind of a shame. He doesn't even interact much with brunos gang outside of the fights, he never felt fully involved. The closest he was friends with is mista. The rest not so much. Yes they respect him and see what he's capable of but it's more like them respecting him like their future boss than an actual friend.
Pretty sure the whole point was to show a gang of characters instead of a single joestar. Yes, he could've used a little more development but I enjoyed how it was focused more on the gang or the others
I personally don't feel like Giorno _needed_ to change in a drastic way in the part in my opinion. Why? Because flat character arcs exist (where the character changes the world around them in the story, rather than themselves change in a drastic way) but i agree that I wanted to see more character interactions with Giorno and the gang.
but for a flat charachter arc to work i really need to believe one charachter has a strong impact on others the likeablity of such a charachter comes from his greatness a charachter with a flat charachter arc is already great and makes other people great with them i dont feel giornos greatness i dont feel his charm i dont see him as inspiring i see him as nothing
@@almogz9486 I can't change how you feel but you're wrong that Giorno doesn't have any j soiring qualities literally every character in Part 5 except for Abbachio was absolutely by Giornos actions and charisma time and time again
@@waqasomar8272 in theory but I didn't see it in action really alli saw is giorno sees problem giorno solves it by sacrificing a limb or getting hurt and someone being inspired by it yeah sure in universe narancia and mista and trish were inspired by giorno but I didn't feel it at all it seemed to me like the story told me he's inspiring but I never saw him do something really inspiring everyone was already a self sacrificial badass before ecountering giorno so it didn't seem that giorno changed them
@@almogz9486 I mean sacrificing a limb putting yourselves in harm way and being able to assess and deal with situations brazenly is a pretty big thing I understand that if you don't feel that way about Giorno but objectively within the story his actions are inspiring to all his comrades
@@waqasomar8272 yeah but I don't see him as inspiring maybe because of his personality outside of combat which is non existent maybe it's because he can regenerate limbs so his limb sacrifice looks like just another move instead of a sacrifice
"Giorno feels insignificant for the plotline" I disagree with that statement, everyone says that part 5 has some of the best developed cast of characters in the series but everyone misses the fact that girno is a trigger for everything thats happening and each of their developments even thought giorno is not the most charismatic joestar I still do enjoy his role in the story and what he represents for its themes theres a lot more I could say about giorno but I dont want to make this long so thats it.
Exactly, giorno is what pushes the entire group, if anything he is the only jojo of the first 6 prts that actively chase their goals rather than get thrown into a situation like the other parts
Golden wind definitely brought the part 5 hype back full fold to the west especially with elements like kellen goff as English diavolo Va The animation in 2018 made it very intriguing And we were able to really understand seeing the shitty translations from the 90s were now fixed with an adaptation
Kellen was god tier as diavolo, they’ve nailed all the main part villains with the dub so far Dio in both of his part were glorious with Patrick seitz voicing him Wamuu and Kars were great Albert wesker as Kira was great And pucci’s va is doing a good job so far, can’t wait to see more, especially made in heaven
I don’t get the ‘Fugo never got to voice how he sees Giorno’. Fugo did give his insights on Giorno, after he took the antivenom Fugo said what he’s learnt about Giornos resolve and how much he now respects him.
whenever the enemies are talking about giorno like “oh this new guy seems like trouble” this is a high light for me because even though he’s not doing much he’s still feared
Finally, someone said it, I was honestly disappointed that Giorno didn’t have that much chemistry with Narancia and Trish, when Fugo left, he could’ve been the one to guide Narancia and shit while with Trish he can relate to her because they’re the same age and grew up not knowing their fathers, I’ll even go out and say they can start to have feelings for each other but Araki did say romance was never the focus of part 5 which I agree
My only real problem with golden wind is that Giorno being DIO's son is completely underutilized and I would sometimes even forget he is the son of DIO.
That was my main issue. It's like it was brought up that he was Dio's son then dropped and never brought it up again and hearing Muda several times doesn't count. It's actually why I despised the fanbase and ignored the series until two years ago (keep in mind that I do like the series).
The reason I like Giorno so much is strangely exactly for this exact reason, I like how he has a flat character arc and how he feels like a background character most of the time just helping the rest of the gang win their fights as I feel it fits very well with Part 5s themes of fate, as Giorno the son of DIO is symbolic of a christ-like figure leading people (the gang) to their own fates, so I think being less involved and having less development matches up with this interpretation of him, though I also do wish he was in the part more and must say that the anime did take out some of his characterisation rom the manga, like how he also shakes when he is sacred or sad in the manga a call back to his backstory,
"The only highlight Giorno moment is the fight against Buccellati." Black Sabbath fight, Baby Face fight, White Album fight, Cioccolata getting seven paged, and Gold Experience Requiem: Are we a joke for you? Okay, joking aside, Giorno is my favorite JoJo, so obviously I disagree with most of this, but I think the part I disagree with the most is the one about how it would have been better if we got the gang members individually building up trust on Giorno, because... that's exactly what happened in the part? He proved to Abbacchio that he's trust worthy in the Soft Machine fight, then got Fugo's respect in the Man in the Mirror fight, got Mista's trust in the White Album fight, then got Narancia's trust in the Clash and Talking head fight, and I really don't think we should ignore all of those moments just because it is never stated through dialogue. Giorno doesn't get as many solo moments as Jotaro for example, but he is actually involved a lot. I really don't get why people act like he just didn't do anything in the part. Also, I really don't understand how Giorno was "very minor" in the White Album fight? He was there through the entire thing, Mista would literally have died multiple times if he wasn't there, and Giorno even got the finishing blow. I honestly feel like you're underestimating how important Giorno was in that fight.
This is an issue I’ve noticed with the JoJo fanbase as a whole (not to say you can’t enjoy the series how you want) but each part has a very specific theme that almost perfectly reflects the main JoJo’s main goal or the narratives theme. And it seems like whenever someone is talking about their favorite Joestar in comparison to another it usually that they weren’t ‘enough of this or more like that’ when to compare the characters in this way almost defeats the purpose. I think it’s an interesting commentary and it’s something I’ve noticed the most with Giorno.
@@jonesyxperia7 yeah, me too. It’s a very dangerous game we ALL play in trying to evaluate what a character *is* vs trying to graft what you *want* a character to be onto something
This dude forgot about the 7 page muda and the final fight with Diavolo for combat, the fight with Grateful dead for interactions, and he said Giorno only helped Mista get the win but Giorno is the reason why they won against Ghiacco
Unlike all the other parts, giorno's reasoning is not selfish. What i mean by that is like for example part 3, they only fought against dio to save holly because she might die if the curse isn't lifted. His reasoning is to stop the corruption in his city, he has nothing to do with it yet he still did it, even losing the life of some of his comrades. Just for that reason.
I think I disagree that Giorno didn't have much focus or a role to play. Even the group starts to realize how important Giorno is over time. Plus he had that major fight with the mold guy too
Nobody said it but for me giorno is lack of character building/motivation. I don't know what the thing that make him change his profession from guiding tourist (I don't really understand what his profession at this time) to become a gangstar leader, it feel like his favourite phrase " kono giorno giovanna ni wa yume ga aru " come from nowhere, it's coming from his dream during night? I don't know and it doesn't make any sense. While all other gang member have solid motivation to join passione (the most solid were bruno).
I feel like if Giorno was in brunos position of having his heart betrayed by the organization would be a lot better motivation than just, "oh well I have a dream and I saw a kid do drugs so imma try and take down an entire mafia family, even though I now know that they're all probably stand users considering the first one I ran into from there (after luca) was a stand user. But it is what it is
Jojo part 5 felt like my play throughs of Halo CE where I fought to protect my Marine squads. Keeping the band together let the gameplay speak back to you like you had a gang. Master Chief and Giorno aren't exactly the most interesting characters despite the implications of their backstories, but hook of thr story was never about the hero, it was the gravity of the mission.
Golden Wind is probably my 3rd favourite part too, I definitely agree with the issues with Giorno, despite being the main character he’s just there. My take however is Giorno effects the people around him and that’s kinda the point of him, much like his Father he has so much Charisma that people just want to follow him for some subconscious reason. One of the themes I see in Golden wind is how you can effect those around you.
EDIT: Hoooly crap this comment is long I think the one thing Giorno needed to really solidify him as a character (aside from more screen time, of course) was a genuine moral dilemma that he can't solve on his own. We've seen that he's supposed to be the perfect mixture of Joestar and Brando character traits. His whole motivation is to take over the mafia - a vicious criminal organization - by any means necessary, and then reform it into something that, in theory, protects the people of Italy rather than exploiting them. That's an inherently gray conflict. But despite the fact that his goals, actions, and philosophy (hell, even his very existence) depend on those moral gray areas, Giorno's mentality is surprisingly black-and-white for much of the story. He is very quick to judge people as being "good" or "evil," and will treat them accordingly. Just think about his fight with Buccellati, and how quickly he switched from stone-cold executioner to charismatic friend over a single moment of hesitation. This is even more jarring when you think about how humanized the minor villains of Vento Aureo are, how they clearly care about each other, and how some even have their own miniature development arcs. Part 5 is the first arc of JoJo where good and evil truly begin to blur at the edges, but the narrative had not yet come to terms with that fact. One of the biggest complaints I've heard about Giorno is that he has no flaws. Well, here's the potential for one that solves two of the arc's greatest issues: he sees the world in extremes. He combines Joestar righteousness with Brando ruthlessness, containing the best and worst of both sides. He treats his friends with the gentleness of Jonathan, and his enemies with the cruelty of DIO, and this disparity makes him dangerous. This is shown somewhat in canon too, but what if it went a step further? Maybe a member of La Squadra who once caused a major hindrance or harbors some truly despicable traits offers to help Buccellati's gang, and he chafes against them. Maybe a member of Buccellati's gang goes through with an unethical plan, and he has to grit his teeth and go along or risk losing everything. Maybe he takes a little longer to come to terms with the fact that given time, he might have ended up just as broken as the rest of Passione is. I noticed Giorno has a tendency toward self-sacrifice; maybe the only way to defeat one enemy is to allow someone else to be harmed or even killed in his stead. Maybe he just takes a minute to really sit with the death toll his "glorious dream" is causing. Maybe he falters due to his own perceived imperfections, and needs to be encouraged by the others (this is why White Album is one of the best fights in the arc; Mista inspires him instead!). Or maybe we get a variation on the scrapped arc where Fugo betrays the team, but with a twist that makes the traitor far more sympathetic. What if he sees his own past reflected in this figure? How, then, would he react? Giorno has often been compared to Jesus in fan analysis, but the story we got skips to the resurrection with no Gethsemane. He is a well-written character with far more nuance than many (including the writer himself) give him credit for. But what he needed to elevate him from good to great was something to cement those disparate elements together: doubt and resolve, brutality and empathy, divinity and humanity, Brando and Joestar. It doesn't even need to be a radical shift in perspective, just the full utilization of what's already there. His interactions with the world around him - and how they refine his viewpoint - would have been just the thing to push him over the edge. But yeah. More dialogue with the gang would be awesome. Bonus points if we play up the lowkey sarcastic politeness, like he had with Leaky-Eye Luca. That was pretty great.
Holy shit, I would give an arm and a leg to read more of your writing. Maybe you'd be interested in a fanfic where all these incredible ideas are realized?
personally i didnt have a problem with giorno as a team member rather than the usual OP main character, it was quite refreshing. his strength came from being a ray of hope and a morale booster. also i feel it fit the arc as the theme was gangs, each memeber of a team has their role and a team can only work when everyone fufils their roles, so i felt this was perfect for the plot. my only gripe for this part was dropping fugo entirely as i felt if you kept him as an ally or villain he couldve made for a interesting fight.
I like that part 6 finally changes it up. We actually got an incredible and entertaining jojo who got plenty of focus. We haven't really had that since p2.
@@mr.escalante4605 Sorry but... wheather Report got most development and he have more backstory too. The only thing we know about Jolyne is that she had daddy issues and overcome it. We don't know not even her hobbies or what she likes. And i hate it
Lit. A proper critique on Golden Wind compared to most others. I still may disagree with some points but I’m glad you’re able to explain your thoughts better.
If I could play avvocato del diavolo, while it does put more emphasis on la squadra di tortura, the story passive shows giorno's journey from the very bottom of passione to the top through the other characters. At the start, everyone in la squadra di tortura hate giorno for being the new guy and only tolerate him because bucciarati commanded them to and their loyalty to him was strong enough for them to be willing to die for him. If don diavolo showed up in episode 5 and conveniently, both bruno and diavolo died then and there, no one would accept giorno as the new don. If anything Abbacchio would take the role as acting squad leader and signor pericolo would become acting don due to being the effective 2nd in command to don diavolo. However, if you pay attention, almost every battle in vento aureo had one of the members of squadra di torturo with giorno (with the exception of Narancia). In every battle where they had to work with giorno, they slowly realized "bruno got further because of giorno" or "we won this battle thanks to giorno". Their loyalty slowly shifted from bruno to giorno because not only of giorno's own ability, but also the hightened ability he brought out in others. Even as bruno was slowly dying, he admitted, even in guido's presence that the one to replace diavolo as the don, wasn't himself but giorno. The remaining members of the squad, were giorno, guido, and unofficially trish, and they both accepted him as the leader. Guido could get claim due to seniority and trish can claim due to being of direct lineage of the previous don, but giorno became the leader, not just because he got the arrow or because he defeated diavolo but because they both experienced how much giorno sacrificed of himself for the both of them and showed his determinazione. What made the group dynamic interesting was that bruno was actively narrated while being a passive character while giorno was passively narrated while being an active character. If anything, my issue was that there was only a little bit of focus on giorno being a brando and absolutely no focus on being a joestar. He is the son of both the vampiric dio and the hamon user jonathan. They could have given him hightened strength, durability, or agility due to his father being a vampire and maybe having jonathan's blood filled him with hamon, resulting in him being a day-walker. More on that, this would have been a great way to bring back hamon momentarily since air supplina island presumably still existed. Napoli was also the home of caesar zeppili, so they could have done a callback. Like what if caesar fooled around a bit and had a great-grandson show up in vento aureo, so you would have a cast of stans users and 1 hamon user. Imagine how hamon could compliment gold experience's ability. More importantly, the fact that both dio and diavolo both saw themselves as king of kings, they could have played more to giorno being chosen by the arrow because he was the son of the truer king.
Kinda wish Giorno was more like Dio. Long victory speeches, badass one liners and a huge ego. But show him care for his friends. Have him hold his crew in the same regard as Dio did himself would be pretty funny. Seeing Giorno talk madshit about how good his squad is and that it's muda to go against them.
I actually really like Giorno character. He has those weird Jesus parallels going on that make his unknowable side and ass-pulls better in my opinion. No one can really pin him down but he has as aura about him that makes people trust him and somehow always knows what to do. Of course this could be me writing a story in my head that author never did but characters like Jotaro make me think there's so much more to Giorno then most give him credit for
My biggest gripe with Giorno is that he's DIO's son, but Araki does absolutely nothing with that concept. The whole reason Jotaro was interested in Giorno was because he was DIO's kid, and it felt like that was gonna be some major plot point, maybe having Giorno be a bit more sadistic than previous JoJos or being more arrogant. But after the first couple chapters/episodes this is completely forgotten. He might as well have been the son of some Joe Schmoe with how little he connected back to DIO. It just felt like he was DIO'S son so Araki had an excuse for him to say Muda and Wryy
My opinion of why part five is pretty low on my favorite part is the whole hitman squad never gets a kill, Sometimes I root for the hitman squad because they really aren’t the “bad guys”. There friends got killed by the boss and they wanna find and kill the boss. La squadra is super strong but they never take out anyone plus they are super cool with great character design. I mean risotto would have killed the boss if not for arrowsmith like la squadra caught so many bad breaks. Fugo or someone should have died to la squadra or a minor villain. It feels like as the series goes on the side villain become less and less impactful. Like part 3 avdol did 2 times to minor villains.
I love those guys to but let’s not forgot that they without a doubt are bad guys. They wanted to take out the boss even before their friends were killed and let’s not forget they wanted to kidnap Trish and would kill any innocent lives around them even if not necessary.
@@lonewolf9578 They really couldn’t have. They wanted to take down the boss like the group but people seem to forget what the Hitman’s goal was. They still wanted to keep doing what Pasion was doing, they just wanted to be the top dogs. That completely goes against what Giorno and Bruno wanted so the two groups couldn’t work together at all.
@@Solverse_ I said allies, not friends Think of it as an “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. The two groups (or rather just risotto) would work together to help take out the boss, leading to him getting killed along the way to help defeat diavolo
@@lonewolf9578 I… never said you said friends? So I have no idea where you got that idea. I know what you meant and it still wouldn’t work. You honestly think any of Pasion would work with the hitman squad? With how paranoid they are about trusting people like that, the Hitman team’s goal, and the fact they’re people willing to kill innocence without a second thought? If you really think they would even consider being allied with people like that then I have to say you don’t know their character. Even if it was just Risotto that wouldn’t change anything for how the group would react towards him. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be interesting to see, but that would go against the group’s characters.
Bro literally without giorno bruno woulda died trish woulda got folded by her dad and then the rest of the gang prolly woulda also died on top of that giorno plays a huge roll in healing the team and providing his reslove to keep going and on top of that without giorno they wouldn’t have really figured out how mirror man worked like when he used himself as bait like he did on the boat fight. To say giorno is insignificant in this part would just be plain ignorance and clearly ignoring character feats
The fact that Giorno has both bloodlines thar are fated for battle against each other has something to do with it. Part 5 always feels like a side mission (still amazing) to me because it doesn't effect the any other part really. I realize that other parts have an effect on it but it's not the same.
I think what people mean by "Bruno is the jojo of part 5" is that he shares the protagonist role with Giorno. This is because they are deutragonists, you can see this by Mista always accompanying them in their fights.
Personally I enjoy Giorno as a character, I never really saw him as lacking, but thats because I never expected him to be anything more than what he was, although i dislike thinking about how he could have had a lot more badass moments that showed more of his drive and personality
A big contribution for Giorno is that he killed Polpo which led to Buccellati becoming a Capo and getting the mission immediately to escort Trish. Basically starting the entire main plot of Part 5 from that small chain of events. It may also go underappreciated but he is the only reason Buccellati stayed in the series after his fight against the boss. Even though he wasn't shown to interact much with the gang, the main narrative point was to show that he is someone that Passione should have as their boss. At some points we get to see the other members of Team Buccellati agree with that when his actions inspires and leads them down the right path without having to also coddle or bail them out of every situation. He just made them into better people with his charisma, dedication and intellect. From a character POV what I remember most is the juxtaposition of how he treats individuals. The same guy who would buy an extra ice cream for a little kid would also mercilessly impale, or toss an evil person off a roof - fully knowing they are human and not some supernatural threat.
I just finished part 5 and I’d say I liked Giorno as a character. He didn’t have to do anything major in character growth for me to like him as a whole. His personality was fine to me, and liked how it affected the others around him. As others would say he’s a flat character that changes other characters. His interactions with other characters to solve their problems was interesting to me. Plus how much can someone really grow on a specific mission in such a short amount of time? We know his motives and his goals. I don’t really even remember the other main jojo characters before this even going through such a growth arc, it’s always the people around them that changed anyway.
Okay so.. I didn’t like this part as much has it was hyped up by people and that’s mainly because of how it confused me with every second it showed. Diavolo’s stand abilities kept making me overthinking his abilities despite knowing it’s a villain with time manipulation (with it being skipping 10 seconds), The Rolling Stones stand plot wasn’t even necessary at all, the short span of time like this is all supposed to be taken in 8 days when it doesn’t feel like it and so on. Giorno is interesting to me in terms of who he is but after he joined, it shifted to the crew (which I do like the gang more) even though I still wished they tried to be friends with him throughout the part. Abbacchio is one of my default points of friendship struggling to have since his backstory made him hard to trust people like Giorno but he could’ve at least been more friendly to him after a while. He even showed it for the end of saving Fugo from the mirror but then he went to being “stand over there, Giorno. I’m not letting you see Moody Blues”. And the worst offender I mentioned earlier was that the whole story took place in 8 days. I had to count the days of each fight with one of the days having at least 8 fights nearly back to back within the time itself (Man who makes people deflate to White Album’s defeat)….
Wow. Looks like people forget that there’s more than one way to present growth. This was one of the best “learning from others” stories I’ve ever seen. Giorno grew up alone and with just an aspiration towards a gang leader. He grew up on the streets as a thief, but only through the gang that accepted him did he grow to be a proper leader. Each one represented a facet Giorno never learned properly. As an example, thanks to Fuugo did he learn loyalty. There is more than one aspect of loyalty out there, and thanks to Fuugo leaving did he get to experience that. Golden wind is a story of a self made man, but one that learned from others- unlike his father. Giorno isn’t the focus of this part- he’s the lesson we should take from others.
There may be more than one way but that doesn’t mean people will approve. I do think Giorno was underutilized but if that’s your take I can see that though I would just prefer he’d be a more prominent figure in his own store especially if he was gonna end up with an op stand like GER
I think Giorno had highlights but in a more quiet matter similar to his father. He gives off Dio vibes not Joestar vibes. He got few highlights but really good highlights.
I can understand this. I never really minded it though, it’s a nice change of pace when the star character isn’t just the ultimate problem solver in every situation, especially after that’s been like 95% of the battles in Parts 3 and 4 which isn’t a problem, it just adds to why Part 5 was a breath of fresh air in my opinion. I disregarded Parts 1 and 2 there cause that wouldn’t have been fair, Jonathan and Joseph are a lot more front and center in their own parts than the later Joestars in their own parts.
I simply wished to see more Giorno, but not less gang members. Basically I want everything that happened to still have happened, but also more Giorno focused fights and drama.
I like to think Giorno was the character that orchestrated the events of golden wind, killing of popo, delivering trish knowing the boss would betray trish, and then killing the boss
Yeah that's honestly what made it harder for me to get invested in part 5. Even Part 7 and 8 have connections to their roots while being in an entirely separate universe
Honestly, I think Golden Wind's focus on the gang as a whole rather than just focusing on Giorno and treating everyone else like his friends/sidekicks/partners in his mission is a double edged sword. On one hand, it fleshed out almost all of them as fully realized characters, which is why I, and Im sure a lot of the other fans, liked almost all of them (Except Giorno... at least for me) On the other hand, Giorno ironically feels like one of the weakest links of the Golden Gang. When we see him in the beginning, swinging it solo, he is actually pretty interesting, but once he joins Passione and has to become a team player, almost every other character keeps taking the spotlight while he just plays the support. This causes his character to not get explored as much as it should. I am fine with the main character not being given a lot of attention, heck, Josuke competes with his own dad for my fav JoJos despite him not being given the kind of attention most MCs would. The thing is, he did, at each point of the story, have his moments of highlight where we get to see his character, getting to know him as a prerson and letting his traits shine. Giorno just doesn't get those same kinds of opportunities to shine. This becomes even more of an issue when the finale hinges on the question of who is worthy of the Requiem arrow, and it lands straight into Giorno's hand, when the entire part felt like it was saying "Bucciarati is worthy of the arrow" and he dies before he can even get a chance to grab it. I like the ending, but it just doesn't hit me the way it should cuz I just can't feel that the story hinted at Giorno being special enough to carry that power. Being a support acting from the background just doesn't suit a guy aiming to lead an entire Mafia with huge influence over an entire country. I honestly think that after Bruno's fight with Diavolo, he should've slowly started to let Giorno take charge more often, letting him become a de-facto leader of the team, with everyone (except Mista cuz of the White Album fight) initially skeptical of his growing influence, but then Giorno consistently proves to be an amazing leader, similar to Bruno in some ways, but having his own, unique traits that make him an effective leader, and everyone slowly starts to see why. This even lines up with how others (most notably Mista, Bucciarati, Narancia and Trish) were influenced, inspired by him in the story, but he as a person didn't change, and this will also show us how he is worthy of both the arrow and the Passione. Girono did not need a character arc, he needed character development. Character arc is a change in character, Character development is just taking a deeper, wider look at the character as is, maybe adding more in it, but not messing with whats already there. Static characters like Josuke and giorno greatly benefit from character development, and in case of Giorno, he needed it.
While I love Girono, he felt like the background character in his own part kind of like Jotaro was. Bruno was always mostly front and center in everything, I adored that but it would've been nice to see more of Girono's thoughts and feelings
Koichi is the joestar of part 4, Polnareff is the joestar of part 3, Gyro is the joestar of part 7, and Yasuo is the joestar of part 8. Araki loves to have the main character be a more secondary character so that they appear larger than life.
The protagonist is NOT the character with the most screen time. The protagonist is the person who carry the *main theme* of the story. A protagonist is just a *title* give to the character who carry the theme of the story It's NOT the protagonist role just to have all the lines and fights As far as i know part 2-6 was about Jonathan's decendents overcoming their fate. So makes sense the *Joestars* be the protagonists even not having much screen time. And in the end it's *their decisions that change the plot* don't matter how cool the jobro is
The fact that it hasn't gotten an Italian dub yet. Netflix obviously has the rights now due to Stone Ocean, and since that had an Italian dub, assuming we'll eventually get it, probably will shadow drop too.
Granted I only watched the anime, however I think he did that to show the difference between Giorno and Dio. They’re both aspire to be leaders, but they go about it different ways. I liked your review though, it did point out valid facts.
I haven't gotten to Stone Ocean and onwards, so I won't put them in my personal ranking of favorite Jojo parts. In order my ranking is 2,5,1,4, and 3 in last place. I wish I could give more than my gut feeling on the parts.
I love this part but I must agree but I kinda like that its a little different it gives us more of those character driven moments I felt part 4 missed. Maybe they should have just had more of those downtime moments with girono he seems too serious sometimes. Edit: also his ability is sick so thats cool
I actually liked the character development but yeah, I definitely see the lack of GioGio in part 5, it's also hard to keep up with Giorno's power fluctuating between the starting chapters and him basically being very specific with creating life in later chapters
Giorno doesn’t have any major acts in the story? He defeated Green Day and Diavolo, achieved Requiem, revived Bucciarati, beat Baby Face? These aren’t things?
Nah dawg you trippin imo, giornos got crazy moments. That like 3 page muda muda, combining his stand with mistas against white album, hell when he turned polpo's banana into a banana clip. Giornos best moments are series highs to me
Do you guys think Giorno is DIO’s son or Jonathan’s? It was Jonathan’s body, but at the same time, Dio’s cells were mixed in. So... He’s kind of a hybrid
So.... Melone, Choccolata,Notorious B.I.G Hand Sacrifice, Leaky's Dented Dome, Black Sabbath and the Tree, And BREIFLY REANIMATING BRUNO!... mean nothing?
Giorno was Dio if he cared about the people around him. He made people around him better through his personality and presence. I didn't see him as a JoJo ever anyway because as soon as he hit puberty his body went full Brando.
I didn’t read the manga so my opinion might be mute but Giorno was always the one saving everyone or figuring out the enemy stands ability’s and coming up with life saving plans. I didn’t think he was in the background just there.
i think its cause giorno isnt actually a JoJo hes a GioGio, part 5 isnt about giorno its about good vs evil, giorno by himself would probably lose a lot of his fights by himself, his stand is a support type of stand, its destructive capability isnt the point, he is just the glue that keeps everyone in the gang together
I have another problem with this part. Being the main villain is probably the weakest in terms of plot Don't get me wrong, doppio is such a cool character,however, diavolo's personality is just boring; it's like he is dio 2.0. I like dio because he was like this, diavolo on the other hand wasn't intriguing or interesting at all.
Now thinking about it “lack of jojo=better part”lol
Part 7 & part 8?
@@ziaulabedin1912 less group=better part
Honestly giorno didn’t even feel like a JoJo part 5 felt like “what if stands were real” I say that because the characters felt real to me
So yes the more a part lacks a JoJo the better
Unless your part 2 7 and 8
@@bootybandit9245 i mean its rather than the main character being less (as giorno is mostly the character that fights just not as much as the others) is rather the other characters being there more
@@METAsMETAs so no mcs = better part because,
no jojos = better part
and less jobros = better part
so what is the least amount of jobros possible, 0
and with no jojo the total = 0 so no protags is best
The fact that they focused more on the gang rather than just one single Joestar character made me reallllly love part 5 since the backstories of the characters really made me feel bad for them as well as all the emotional moments hit so much harder than it did in other parts for me. The first time I ever watched part 5 I didn't feel like there was not enough Giorno honestly and despite him not doing much, he's still my most favorite Jojo (next to Johnny)
Exactly the gang is the main character not Giorno
@@Rdc_Dom Jotaro is polar to Giorno.
@@dagtheking5739 what do you mean? As in polar opposites?
@@Rdc_Dom Ja, genau.
@@dagtheking5739 Yeah Giorno takes a backseat while Jotaro steals the spot light so in that sense yeah they are polar opposites 😅. But they are quite similar at the same time. Both are extremely cunning and clever. They stay calm under pressure. They have quiet and reserved personalities, They both have a strong sense of justice using their stands as judge, jury, and executioner against those who do evil.
The only highlight moment you can remember is his fight against Bucciarati?? What about 7 page muda or gold experience requiem fucking up Diavolo? Those are massive. Not to mention all his fight against minor villians.
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO TYPE THAT AND I AGREEEEEEEEEE
Tbf i also forgot most of part 5, the only minor fights i somewhat remember are ghiaccio, man in the mirror (only cuz i watched a leitmotif of it), and the little feet fight (again, leitmotif).
@Christina Azarian what does them having more panels have to do with the 7 page muda?
@@c9k984 really? Golden Wind isn't even my favorite but it is the one ik the most
@@smallss7197 Yeah idk, I just never got the hype for it. Most of the fights didn't stick in my head and it felt like Giorno would just sometimes pull abilities out of his ass. I just like the consistency of having only 1 or 2 abilities that other jojo's have
To add my two cents, I think that Giorno is an interesting character. He's just pretty underutilised. He did have some moments of subtle character, but it wasn't exactly enough to *characterise* him and make him stand out more.
To be fair, Araki was still experimenting with different stories, settings etc. Where in Part 1 we get a basic shonen heroic story, Part 4 with a more slice of life feel to it and Part 5 being more focused on the side characters rather than the MC. Sure its JOJO's Bizzare Adventure, but its also Jojo's BIZZARE Adventure, Araki tried out different things for these different parts and then eventually making a MASTERPIECE of Part 7 after working on the flaws of every previous part.
My problem with giorno is that he actually started out as an interesting character for me but as soon as he joined brunos gang, I cared less and less about him. Sure there are highlights ( my favourite one being his fight against chiocolatta but even here it would've been way more impactful if he fought fugo instead) and I know that he's supposed to support buccis gang and lift their spirits but I always felt it limited his character and potential to the point where I just couldn't relate to him anymore. Early giorno started out as a cunning, charismatic smart kid with a sense of justice but who was also willing to steal from people to serve his own needs. Even subtle things like his dialogue with bruno and how much we could discern from his character during this interaction. or him getting surprised and even panics at certain events without having an immediate solution at hand. All of this makes him feel more like a fully realized character. He felt more like a teenager who was minding his business on the streets of italy and yet was aware of the situation that was going on in his town.But as this part went on he got less interesting to me which is kind of a shame. He doesn't even interact much with brunos gang outside of the fights, he never felt fully involved. The closest he was friends with is mista. The rest not so much. Yes they respect him and see what he's capable of but it's more like them respecting him like their future boss than an actual friend.
Bro that’s way too long to read so I’m just gonna say OK
@@METAsMETAs bruh
Cioccolata
Nah I don’t agree with Fugo being the traitor so I’m glad Giorno didn’t fight him.
So because the gang made him a better person internally he became "boring". That's what I got
Golden wind has its faults but I enjoyed it alot next to stardust crusaders
I’m honestly enjoying it more than SC so far
Pretty sure the whole point was to show a gang of characters instead of a single joestar. Yes, he could've used a little more development but I enjoyed how it was focused more on the gang or the others
I personally don't feel like Giorno _needed_ to change in a drastic way in the part in my opinion. Why? Because flat character arcs exist (where the character changes the world around them in the story, rather than themselves change in a drastic way)
but i agree that I wanted to see more character interactions with Giorno and the gang.
but for a flat charachter arc to work i really need to believe one charachter has a strong impact on others the likeablity of such a charachter comes from his greatness a charachter with a flat charachter arc is already great and makes other people great with them i dont feel giornos greatness i dont feel his charm i dont see him as inspiring i see him as nothing
@@almogz9486 I can't change how you feel but you're wrong that Giorno doesn't have any j soiring qualities literally every character in Part 5 except for Abbachio was absolutely by Giornos actions and charisma time and time again
@@waqasomar8272 in theory but I didn't see it in action really alli saw is giorno sees problem giorno solves it by sacrificing a limb or getting hurt and someone being inspired by it yeah sure in universe narancia and mista and trish were inspired by giorno but I didn't feel it at all it seemed to me like the story told me he's inspiring but I never saw him do something really inspiring everyone was already a self sacrificial badass before ecountering giorno so it didn't seem that giorno changed them
@@almogz9486 I mean sacrificing a limb putting yourselves in harm way and being able to assess and deal with situations brazenly is a pretty big thing I understand that if you don't feel that way about Giorno but objectively within the story his actions are inspiring to all his comrades
@@waqasomar8272 yeah but I don't see him as inspiring maybe because of his personality outside of combat which is non existent maybe it's because he can regenerate limbs so his limb sacrifice looks like just another move instead of a sacrifice
"Giorno feels insignificant for the plotline" I disagree with that statement, everyone says that part 5 has some of the best developed cast of characters in the series but everyone misses the fact that girno is a trigger for everything thats happening and each of their developments even thought giorno is not the most charismatic joestar I still do enjoy his role in the story and what he represents for its themes theres a lot more I could say about giorno but I dont want to make this long so thats it.
Exactly, giorno is what pushes the entire group, if anything he is the only jojo of the first 6 prts that actively chase their goals rather than get thrown into a situation like the other parts
Golden wind definitely brought the part 5 hype back full fold to the west especially with elements like kellen goff as English diavolo Va
The animation in 2018 made it very intriguing
And we were able to really understand seeing the shitty translations from the 90s were now fixed with an adaptation
I think Kellen did the best of any English JoJo va, he does such a good job
Kellen was god tier as diavolo, they’ve nailed all the main part villains with the dub so far
Dio in both of his part were glorious with Patrick seitz voicing him
Wamuu and Kars were great
Albert wesker as Kira was great
And pucci’s va is doing a good job so far, can’t wait to see more, especially made in heaven
I don’t get the ‘Fugo never got to voice how he sees Giorno’. Fugo did give his insights on Giorno, after he took the antivenom Fugo said what he’s learnt about Giornos resolve and how much he now respects him.
true, but he never does anything after that
whenever the enemies are talking about giorno like “oh this new guy seems like trouble” this is a high light for me because even though he’s not doing much he’s still feared
Bruno and Mista are the ones carrying part 5 in my Opinion
Finally, someone said it, I was honestly disappointed that Giorno didn’t have that much chemistry with Narancia and Trish, when Fugo left, he could’ve been the one to guide Narancia and shit while with Trish he can relate to her because they’re the same age and grew up not knowing their fathers, I’ll even go out and say they can start to have feelings for each other but Araki did say romance was never the focus of part 5 which I agree
Exactly.. golden wind has like the second best fights in the series but the story has some wasted potential and because of that it isn’t my favorite
My only real problem with golden wind is that Giorno being DIO's son is completely underutilized and I would sometimes even forget he is the son of DIO.
That was my main issue. It's like it was brought up that he was Dio's son then dropped and never brought it up again and hearing Muda several times doesn't count. It's actually why I despised the fanbase and ignored the series until two years ago (keep in mind that I do like the series).
The reason I like Giorno so much is strangely exactly for this exact reason, I like how he has a flat character arc and how he feels like a background character most of the time just helping the rest of the gang win their fights as I feel it fits very well with Part 5s themes of fate, as Giorno the son of DIO is symbolic of a christ-like figure leading people (the gang) to their own fates, so I think being less involved and having less development matches up with this interpretation of him, though I also do wish he was in the part more and must say that the anime did take out some of his characterisation rom the manga, like how he also shakes when he is sacred or sad in the manga a call back to his backstory,
Golden Wind definitely had its flaws but it was still good at the very least......
"The only highlight Giorno moment is the fight against Buccellati."
Black Sabbath fight, Baby Face fight, White Album fight, Cioccolata getting seven paged, and Gold Experience Requiem: Are we a joke for you?
Okay, joking aside, Giorno is my favorite JoJo, so obviously I disagree with most of this, but I think the part I disagree with the most is the one about how it would have been better if we got the gang members individually building up trust on Giorno, because... that's exactly what happened in the part? He proved to Abbacchio that he's trust worthy in the Soft Machine fight, then got Fugo's respect in the Man in the Mirror fight, got Mista's trust in the White Album fight, then got Narancia's trust in the Clash and Talking head fight, and I really don't think we should ignore all of those moments just because it is never stated through dialogue. Giorno doesn't get as many solo moments as Jotaro for example, but he is actually involved a lot. I really don't get why people act like he just didn't do anything in the part.
Also, I really don't understand how Giorno was "very minor" in the White Album fight? He was there through the entire thing, Mista would literally have died multiple times if he wasn't there, and Giorno even got the finishing blow. I honestly feel like you're underestimating how important Giorno was in that fight.
I myself don't dislike or love Giorno, but you make a really good and well thought out counter argument.
I feel like golden wind was more about how giorno affects the gang rather than how the gang affects giorno.
This is an issue I’ve noticed with the JoJo fanbase as a whole (not to say you can’t enjoy the series how you want) but each part has a very specific theme that almost perfectly reflects the main JoJo’s main goal or the narratives theme. And it seems like whenever someone is talking about their favorite Joestar in comparison to another it usually that they weren’t ‘enough of this or more like that’ when to compare the characters in this way almost defeats the purpose. I think it’s an interesting commentary and it’s something I’ve noticed the most with Giorno.
@@jonesyxperia7 yeah, me too. It’s a very dangerous game we ALL play in trying to evaluate what a character *is* vs trying to graft what you *want* a character to be onto something
This dude forgot about the 7 page muda and the final fight with Diavolo for combat, the fight with Grateful dead for interactions, and he said Giorno only helped Mista get the win but Giorno is the reason why they won against Ghiacco
Don’t count
I think it’s suppose to symbolize what a mafia family is like in that the boss is the one that stays back and gives the orders
Unlike all the other parts, giorno's reasoning is not selfish. What i mean by that is like for example part 3, they only fought against dio to save holly because she might die if the curse isn't lifted. His reasoning is to stop the corruption in his city, he has nothing to do with it yet he still did it, even losing the life of some of his comrades. Just for that reason.
I think I disagree that Giorno didn't have much focus or a role to play. Even the group starts to realize how important Giorno is over time. Plus he had that major fight with the mold guy too
Nobody said it but for me giorno is lack of character building/motivation. I don't know what the thing that make him change his profession from guiding tourist (I don't really understand what his profession at this time) to become a gangstar leader, it feel like his favourite phrase " kono giorno giovanna ni wa yume ga aru " come from nowhere, it's coming from his dream during night? I don't know and it doesn't make any sense. While all other gang member have solid motivation to join passione (the most solid were bruno).
I feel like if Giorno was in brunos position of having his heart betrayed by the organization would be a lot better motivation than just, "oh well I have a dream and I saw a kid do drugs so imma try and take down an entire mafia family, even though I now know that they're all probably stand users considering the first one I ran into from there (after luca) was a stand user. But it is what it is
Jojo part 5 felt like my play throughs of Halo CE where I fought to protect my Marine squads. Keeping the band together let the gameplay speak back to you like you had a gang.
Master Chief and Giorno aren't exactly the most interesting characters despite the implications of their backstories, but hook of thr story was never about the hero, it was the gravity of the mission.
Golden Wind is probably my 3rd favourite part too, I definitely agree with the issues with Giorno, despite being the main character he’s just there.
My take however is Giorno effects the people around him and that’s kinda the point of him, much like his Father he has so much Charisma that people just want to follow him for some subconscious reason.
One of the themes I see in Golden wind is how you can effect those around you.
But the interesting thing is, people are still confused about me
Fun fact: I am not
@@lime1680 Fun fact: that's interesting
I just wished they explored more of him being DIO’s son, imagine Polnareff’s reaction
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EDIT: Hoooly crap this comment is long
I think the one thing Giorno needed to really solidify him as a character (aside from more screen time, of course) was a genuine moral dilemma that he can't solve on his own.
We've seen that he's supposed to be the perfect mixture of Joestar and Brando character traits. His whole motivation is to take over the mafia - a vicious criminal organization - by any means necessary, and then reform it into something that, in theory, protects the people of Italy rather than exploiting them. That's an inherently gray conflict. But despite the fact that his goals, actions, and philosophy (hell, even his very existence) depend on those moral gray areas, Giorno's mentality is surprisingly black-and-white for much of the story. He is very quick to judge people as being "good" or "evil," and will treat them accordingly. Just think about his fight with Buccellati, and how quickly he switched from stone-cold executioner to charismatic friend over a single moment of hesitation. This is even more jarring when you think about how humanized the minor villains of Vento Aureo are, how they clearly care about each other, and how some even have their own miniature development arcs. Part 5 is the first arc of JoJo where good and evil truly begin to blur at the edges, but the narrative had not yet come to terms with that fact.
One of the biggest complaints I've heard about Giorno is that he has no flaws. Well, here's the potential for one that solves two of the arc's greatest issues: he sees the world in extremes. He combines Joestar righteousness with Brando ruthlessness, containing the best and worst of both sides. He treats his friends with the gentleness of Jonathan, and his enemies with the cruelty of DIO, and this disparity makes him dangerous. This is shown somewhat in canon too, but what if it went a step further?
Maybe a member of La Squadra who once caused a major hindrance or harbors some truly despicable traits offers to help Buccellati's gang, and he chafes against them. Maybe a member of Buccellati's gang goes through with an unethical plan, and he has to grit his teeth and go along or risk losing everything. Maybe he takes a little longer to come to terms with the fact that given time, he might have ended up just as broken as the rest of Passione is. I noticed Giorno has a tendency toward self-sacrifice; maybe the only way to defeat one enemy is to allow someone else to be harmed or even killed in his stead. Maybe he just takes a minute to really sit with the death toll his "glorious dream" is causing. Maybe he falters due to his own perceived imperfections, and needs to be encouraged by the others (this is why White Album is one of the best fights in the arc; Mista inspires him instead!). Or maybe we get a variation on the scrapped arc where Fugo betrays the team, but with a twist that makes the traitor far more sympathetic. What if he sees his own past reflected in this figure? How, then, would he react?
Giorno has often been compared to Jesus in fan analysis, but the story we got skips to the resurrection with no Gethsemane. He is a well-written character with far more nuance than many (including the writer himself) give him credit for. But what he needed to elevate him from good to great was something to cement those disparate elements together: doubt and resolve, brutality and empathy, divinity and humanity, Brando and Joestar. It doesn't even need to be a radical shift in perspective, just the full utilization of what's already there. His interactions with the world around him - and how they refine his viewpoint - would have been just the thing to push him over the edge.
But yeah. More dialogue with the gang would be awesome. Bonus points if we play up the lowkey sarcastic politeness, like he had with Leaky-Eye Luca. That was pretty great.
Holy shit, I would give an arm and a leg to read more of your writing. Maybe you'd be interested in a fanfic where all these incredible ideas are realized?
For me giorno is just a walking plot convenience
personally i didnt have a problem with giorno as a team member rather than the usual OP main character, it was quite refreshing. his strength came from being a ray of hope and a morale booster. also i feel it fit the arc as the theme was gangs, each memeber of a team has their role and a team can only work when everyone fufils their roles, so i felt this was perfect for the plot. my only gripe for this part was dropping fugo entirely as i felt if you kept him as an ally or villain he couldve made for a interesting fight.
My main problem with part 3-5 is that most of the side characters get more character development than the Joestar, mainly with the Jobro.
I like that part 6 finally changes it up. We actually got an incredible and entertaining jojo who got plenty of focus. We haven't really had that since p2.
@@ramimoussi7438 jolyine is just really good character, but i am afraid that people won't like her.
@@mindblower8774 oh I think many people will like her. But we'll see.
@@ramimoussi7438 I really like how she gets the most character development in the part
@@mr.escalante4605
Sorry but... wheather Report got most development and he have more backstory too.
The only thing we know about Jolyne is that she had daddy issues and overcome it.
We don't know not even her hobbies or what she likes. And i hate it
Lit. A proper critique on Golden Wind compared to most others. I still may disagree with some points but I’m glad you’re able to explain your thoughts better.
If I could play avvocato del diavolo, while it does put more emphasis on la squadra di tortura, the story passive shows giorno's journey from the very bottom of passione to the top through the other characters. At the start, everyone in la squadra di tortura hate giorno for being the new guy and only tolerate him because bucciarati commanded them to and their loyalty to him was strong enough for them to be willing to die for him. If don diavolo showed up in episode 5 and conveniently, both bruno and diavolo died then and there, no one would accept giorno as the new don. If anything Abbacchio would take the role as acting squad leader and signor pericolo would become acting don due to being the effective 2nd in command to don diavolo. However, if you pay attention, almost every battle in vento aureo had one of the members of squadra di torturo with giorno (with the exception of Narancia). In every battle where they had to work with giorno, they slowly realized "bruno got further because of giorno" or "we won this battle thanks to giorno". Their loyalty slowly shifted from bruno to giorno because not only of giorno's own ability, but also the hightened ability he brought out in others. Even as bruno was slowly dying, he admitted, even in guido's presence that the one to replace diavolo as the don, wasn't himself but giorno. The remaining members of the squad, were giorno, guido, and unofficially trish, and they both accepted him as the leader. Guido could get claim due to seniority and trish can claim due to being of direct lineage of the previous don, but giorno became the leader, not just because he got the arrow or because he defeated diavolo but because they both experienced how much giorno sacrificed of himself for the both of them and showed his determinazione. What made the group dynamic interesting was that bruno was actively narrated while being a passive character while giorno was passively narrated while being an active character.
If anything, my issue was that there was only a little bit of focus on giorno being a brando and absolutely no focus on being a joestar. He is the son of both the vampiric dio and the hamon user jonathan. They could have given him hightened strength, durability, or agility due to his father being a vampire and maybe having jonathan's blood filled him with hamon, resulting in him being a day-walker. More on that, this would have been a great way to bring back hamon momentarily since air supplina island presumably still existed. Napoli was also the home of caesar zeppili, so they could have done a callback. Like what if caesar fooled around a bit and had a great-grandson show up in vento aureo, so you would have a cast of stans users and 1 hamon user. Imagine how hamon could compliment gold experience's ability. More importantly, the fact that both dio and diavolo both saw themselves as king of kings, they could have played more to giorno being chosen by the arrow because he was the son of the truer king.
Part 5 is the best part for me
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"My biggest problem with golden wind"
All of it
Kinda wish Giorno was more like Dio. Long victory speeches, badass one liners and a huge ego. But show him care for his friends. Have him hold his crew in the same regard as Dio did himself would be pretty funny. Seeing Giorno talk madshit about how good his squad is and that it's muda to go against them.
I think Giorno works as he is as a mix between Jonathan and Dio
He has Jonathan’s honour and the ruthlessness of Dio
I actually really like Giorno character. He has those weird Jesus parallels going on that make his unknowable side and ass-pulls better in my opinion. No one can really pin him down but he has as aura about him that makes people trust him and somehow always knows what to do. Of course this could be me writing a story in my head that author never did but characters like Jotaro make me think there's so much more to Giorno then most give him credit for
@@gantz332Giorno has it the most since he's the True Son of Dio (God) and that he brings Life.
I feel like part 4 had more of this problem for me
My biggest gripe with Giorno is that he's DIO's son, but Araki does absolutely nothing with that concept. The whole reason Jotaro was interested in Giorno was because he was DIO's kid, and it felt like that was gonna be some major plot point, maybe having Giorno be a bit more sadistic than previous JoJos or being more arrogant. But after the first couple chapters/episodes this is completely forgotten. He might as well have been the son of some Joe Schmoe with how little he connected back to DIO. It just felt like he was DIO'S son so Araki had an excuse for him to say Muda and Wryy
My opinion of why part five is pretty low on my favorite part is the whole hitman squad never gets a kill, Sometimes I root for the hitman squad because they really aren’t the “bad guys”. There friends got killed by the boss and they wanna find and kill the boss. La squadra is super strong but they never take out anyone plus they are super cool with great character design. I mean risotto would have killed the boss if not for arrowsmith like la squadra caught so many bad breaks. Fugo or someone should have died to la squadra or a minor villain. It feels like as the series goes on the side villain become less and less impactful. Like part 3 avdol did 2 times to minor villains.
I love those guys to but let’s not forgot that they without a doubt are bad guys. They wanted to take out the boss even before their friends were killed and let’s not forget they wanted to kidnap Trish and would kill any innocent lives around them even if not necessary.
@@Solverse_ true, but they could have (at least risotto probably could) become allies with the main group after they decide to take down the boss
@@lonewolf9578 They really couldn’t have. They wanted to take down the boss like the group but people seem to forget what the Hitman’s goal was. They still wanted to keep doing what Pasion was doing, they just wanted to be the top dogs. That completely goes against what Giorno and Bruno wanted so the two groups couldn’t work together at all.
@@Solverse_ I said allies, not friends
Think of it as an “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. The two groups (or rather just risotto) would work together to help take out the boss, leading to him getting killed along the way to help defeat diavolo
@@lonewolf9578 I… never said you said friends? So I have no idea where you got that idea. I know what you meant and it still wouldn’t work.
You honestly think any of Pasion would work with the hitman squad? With how paranoid they are about trusting people like that, the Hitman team’s goal, and the fact they’re people willing to kill innocence without a second thought?
If you really think they would even consider being allied with people like that then I have to say you don’t know their character. Even if it was just Risotto that wouldn’t change anything for how the group would react towards him. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be interesting to see, but that would go against the group’s characters.
Bro literally without giorno bruno woulda died trish woulda got folded by her dad and then the rest of the gang prolly woulda also died on top of that giorno plays a huge roll in healing the team and providing his reslove to keep going and on top of that without giorno they wouldn’t have really figured out how mirror man worked like when he used himself as bait like he did on the boat fight. To say giorno is insignificant in this part would just be plain ignorance and clearly ignoring character feats
He is a only the plots tool, a deux ex machina.
The fact that Giorno has both bloodlines thar are fated for battle against each other has something to do with it. Part 5 always feels like a side mission (still amazing) to me because it doesn't effect the any other part really. I realize that other parts have an effect on it but it's not the same.
Bruno's Bizarre Adventure
I think what people mean by "Bruno is the jojo of part 5" is that he shares the protagonist role with Giorno. This is because they are deutragonists, you can see this by Mista always accompanying them in their fights.
And in their character designs. Like Johnny and Gyro
and the saddest thing is he will never show up in a next jojo parts.
Personally I enjoy Giorno as a character, I never really saw him as lacking, but thats because I never expected him to be anything more than what he was, although i dislike thinking about how he could have had a lot more badass moments that showed more of his drive and personality
A big contribution for Giorno is that he killed Polpo which led to Buccellati becoming a Capo and getting the mission immediately to escort Trish. Basically starting the entire main plot of Part 5 from that small chain of events. It may also go underappreciated but he is the only reason Buccellati stayed in the series after his fight against the boss.
Even though he wasn't shown to interact much with the gang, the main narrative point was to show that he is someone that Passione should have as their boss. At some points we get to see the other members of Team Buccellati agree with that when his actions inspires and leads them down the right path without having to also coddle or bail them out of every situation. He just made them into better people with his charisma, dedication and intellect.
From a character POV what I remember most is the juxtaposition of how he treats individuals. The same guy who would buy an extra ice cream for a little kid would also mercilessly impale, or toss an evil person off a roof - fully knowing they are human and not some supernatural threat.
I just finished part 5 and I’d say I liked Giorno as a character. He didn’t have to do anything major in character growth for me to like him as a whole. His personality was fine to me, and liked how it affected the others around him.
As others would say he’s a flat character that changes other characters. His interactions with other characters to solve their problems was interesting to me. Plus how much can someone really grow on a specific mission in such a short amount of time? We know his motives and his goals. I don’t really even remember the other main jojo characters before this even going through such a growth arc, it’s always the people around them that changed anyway.
Okay so.. I didn’t like this part as much has it was hyped up by people and that’s mainly because of how it confused me with every second it showed.
Diavolo’s stand abilities kept making me overthinking his abilities despite knowing it’s a villain with time manipulation (with it being skipping 10 seconds), The Rolling Stones stand plot wasn’t even necessary at all, the short span of time like this is all supposed to be taken in 8 days when it doesn’t feel like it and so on.
Giorno is interesting to me in terms of who he is but after he joined, it shifted to the crew (which I do like the gang more) even though I still wished they tried to be friends with him throughout the part.
Abbacchio is one of my default points of friendship struggling to have since his backstory made him hard to trust people like Giorno but he could’ve at least been more friendly to him after a while. He even showed it for the end of saving Fugo from the mirror but then he went to being “stand over there, Giorno. I’m not letting you see Moody Blues”.
And the worst offender I mentioned earlier was that the whole story took place in 8 days. I had to count the days of each fight with one of the days having at least 8 fights nearly back to back within the time itself (Man who makes people deflate to White Album’s defeat)….
Felt that same, needed more Giorno
Well it was GIO GIO's bizarre adventures.
Wow. Looks like people forget that there’s more than one way to present growth. This was one of the best “learning from others” stories I’ve ever seen. Giorno grew up alone and with just an aspiration towards a gang leader. He grew up on the streets as a thief, but only through the gang that accepted him did he grow to be a proper leader. Each one represented a facet Giorno never learned properly. As an example, thanks to Fuugo did he learn loyalty. There is more than one aspect of loyalty out there, and thanks to Fuugo leaving did he get to experience that. Golden wind is a story of a self made man, but one that learned from others- unlike his father. Giorno isn’t the focus of this part- he’s the lesson we should take from others.
There may be more than one way but that doesn’t mean people will approve. I do think Giorno was underutilized but if that’s your take I can see that though I would just prefer he’d be a more prominent figure in his own store especially if he was gonna end up with an op stand like GER
The last episode always bugged me out but I'll always be pretty fond of part 5 and 4
I think Giorno had highlights but in a more quiet matter similar to his father. He gives off Dio vibes not Joestar vibes. He got few highlights but really good highlights.
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bro, are you zhonin also??? voice sound hella familiar
I can understand this.
I never really minded it though, it’s a nice change of pace when the star character isn’t just the ultimate problem solver in every situation, especially after that’s been like 95% of the battles in Parts 3 and 4 which isn’t a problem, it just adds to why Part 5 was a breath of fresh air in my opinion.
I disregarded Parts 1 and 2 there cause that wouldn’t have been fair, Jonathan and Joseph are a lot more front and center in their own parts than the later Joestars in their own parts.
Giorno a background character in his own show
I agree, but I didn't mind at all, I just kinda never thought of that myself
I simply wished to see more Giorno, but not less gang members. Basically I want everything that happened to still have happened, but also more Giorno focused fights and drama.
Yo the Ghiaccio fight?? Babyface?? The freaking final finisher against Chiocolatta??? Did you even watch Golden Wind???
I like to think Giorno was the character that orchestrated the events of golden wind, killing of popo, delivering trish knowing the boss would betray trish, and then killing the boss
I only wish that Giorno was more, like, connected to his legacy, I guess.
“Insert mandatory muda muda muda and wrryyyyy comment here”
@@djsangry5751 Yeah, that's why I said "more" and not "at least a little"
I guess, but there are not many directions you can take that idea without changing up the story far too much at least from what I can think up.
@@zachcoats4849 you're right. But you could change it for the better.
Yeah that's honestly what made it harder for me to get invested in part 5. Even Part 7 and 8 have connections to their roots while being in an entirely separate universe
Honestly, I think Golden Wind's focus on the gang as a whole rather than just focusing on Giorno and treating everyone else like his friends/sidekicks/partners in his mission is a double edged sword.
On one hand, it fleshed out almost all of them as fully realized characters, which is why I, and Im sure a lot of the other fans, liked almost all of them (Except Giorno... at least for me)
On the other hand, Giorno ironically feels like one of the weakest links of the Golden Gang. When we see him in the beginning, swinging it solo, he is actually pretty interesting, but once he joins Passione and has to become a team player, almost every other character keeps taking the spotlight while he just plays the support. This causes his character to not get explored as much as it should.
I am fine with the main character not being given a lot of attention, heck, Josuke competes with his own dad for my fav JoJos despite him not being given the kind of attention most MCs would. The thing is, he did, at each point of the story, have his moments of highlight where we get to see his character, getting to know him as a prerson and letting his traits shine. Giorno just doesn't get those same kinds of opportunities to shine.
This becomes even more of an issue when the finale hinges on the question of who is worthy of the Requiem arrow, and it lands straight into Giorno's hand, when the entire part felt like it was saying "Bucciarati is worthy of the arrow" and he dies before he can even get a chance to grab it. I like the ending, but it just doesn't hit me the way it should cuz I just can't feel that the story hinted at Giorno being special enough to carry that power. Being a support acting from the background just doesn't suit a guy aiming to lead an entire Mafia with huge influence over an entire country.
I honestly think that after Bruno's fight with Diavolo, he should've slowly started to let Giorno take charge more often, letting him become a de-facto leader of the team, with everyone (except Mista cuz of the White Album fight) initially skeptical of his growing influence, but then Giorno consistently proves to be an amazing leader, similar to Bruno in some ways, but having his own, unique traits that make him an effective leader, and everyone slowly starts to see why. This even lines up with how others (most notably Mista, Bucciarati, Narancia and Trish) were influenced, inspired by him in the story, but he as a person didn't change, and this will also show us how he is worthy of both the arrow and the Passione.
Girono did not need a character arc, he needed character development.
Character arc is a change in character, Character development is just taking a deeper, wider look at the character as is, maybe adding more in it, but not messing with whats already there.
Static characters like Josuke and giorno greatly benefit from character development, and in case of Giorno, he needed it.
I'm scared... part 5 fans (i like all the parts) please hold my hand
What's Ur fav parts
Giorno highlights in my opinion tbh:
Bruno vs Giorno
Killing Polpo
Babyface vs Giorno
Ciocolatta vs Giorno
and for some reason he is my favorite jojo
I dislike part 4 more for this reason. Part 4 has a lot of Koichi without Josuke. Part 5 at least has Giorno there all the time
While I love Girono, he felt like the background character in his own part kind of like Jotaro was. Bruno was always mostly front and center in everything, I adored that but it would've been nice to see more of Girono's thoughts and feelings
Koichi is the joestar of part 4, Polnareff is the joestar of part 3, Gyro is the joestar of part 7, and Yasuo is the joestar of part 8. Araki loves to have the main character be a more secondary character so that they appear larger than life.
I agree expect Gyro being the jojo because johnny is an amazing character
The protagonist is NOT the character with the most screen time.
The protagonist is the person who carry the *main theme* of the story.
A protagonist is just a *title* give to the character who carry the theme of the story
It's NOT the protagonist role just to have all the lines and fights
As far as i know part 2-6 was about Jonathan's decendents overcoming their fate.
So makes sense the *Joestars* be the protagonists even not having much screen time.
And in the end it's *their decisions that change the plot* don't matter how cool the jobro is
The fact that it hasn't gotten an Italian dub yet. Netflix obviously has the rights now due to Stone Ocean, and since that had an Italian dub, assuming we'll eventually get it, probably will shadow drop too.
Granted I only watched the anime, however I think he did that to show the difference between Giorno and Dio. They’re both aspire to be leaders, but they go about it different ways. I liked your review though, it did point out valid facts.
2:00 why does bruno and mista look like there about to kiss
I haven't gotten to Stone Ocean and onwards, so I won't put them in my personal ranking of favorite Jojo parts. In order my ranking is 2,5,1,4, and 3 in last place. I wish I could give more than my gut feeling on the parts.
I love this part but I must agree but I kinda like that its a little different it gives us more of those character driven moments I felt part 4 missed. Maybe they should have just had more of those downtime moments with girono he seems too serious sometimes.
Edit: also his ability is sick so thats cool
I actually liked the character development but yeah, I definitely see the lack of GioGio in part 5, it's also hard to keep up with Giorno's power fluctuating between the starting chapters and him basically being very specific with creating life in later chapters
Why a lot of people seems to hate part 6?
Giorno doesn’t have any major acts in the story? He defeated Green Day and Diavolo, achieved Requiem, revived Bucciarati, beat Baby Face? These aren’t things?
i think giorno's childhood made him solidify his personality really early on
Gyro Zeppeli is the Joestar of part 7
Probably because he is also half Dio i guess
can someone tell me the dislike count cuz i cant see it
Yeah, I know when he joins the gang we barely get to see him.
Nah dawg you trippin imo, giornos got crazy moments. That like 3 page muda muda, combining his stand with mistas against white album, hell when he turned polpo's banana into a banana clip. Giornos best moments are series highs to me
Do you guys think Giorno is DIO’s son or Jonathan’s? It was Jonathan’s body, but at the same time, Dio’s cells were mixed in. So... He’s kind of a hybrid
Well jonathan's body is practically dio's now otherwise "the world" would just be a head
So.... Melone, Choccolata,Notorious B.I.G Hand Sacrifice, Leaky's Dented Dome, Black Sabbath and the Tree, And BREIFLY REANIMATING BRUNO!... mean nothing?
Giorno was Dio if he cared about the people around him. He made people around him better through his personality and presence. I didn't see him as a JoJo ever anyway because as soon as he hit puberty his body went full Brando.
I didn’t read the manga so my opinion might be mute but Giorno was always the one saving everyone or figuring out the enemy stands ability’s and coming up with life saving plans. I didn’t think he was in the background just there.
i think its cause giorno isnt actually a JoJo hes a GioGio, part 5 isnt about giorno its about good vs evil, giorno by himself would probably lose a lot of his fights by himself, his stand is a support type of stand, its destructive capability isnt the point, he is just the glue that keeps everyone in the gang together
Giorno is just a mini Dio, get strong friends to succeed.
Giorno is the son of dio, father like son don't do anything until the last boss show up
Araki fixed giorno but creating Jodio....
I’d be happy if there was less of parts 1-6, I want more 8 it’s so much fucking better
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Terrible take dude, wow, I'm in shock by this honestly
I have another problem with this part. Being the main villain is probably the weakest in terms of plot Don't get me wrong, doppio is such a cool character,however, diavolo's personality is just boring; it's like he is dio 2.0. I like dio because he was like this, diavolo on the other hand wasn't intriguing or interesting at all.