2 Corinthians 3 EXPLAINED! Were The Commandments Done Away With?

[@berylcunningham1328]

2 Peter 3:16 says that the unlearned and the unstable WREST (distort the meaning or interpretation of something to suit one's own interests or views) as they do also other scriptures unto their own destructions. Hebrews 3 & 4 say that we will not enter God's rest if we Harden our heart against His word. Satan is a lier and a deceiver and his job is to deceive God's people. His days are coming to an end hence he is like a roaring lion seeking to devour God's people. Let us pray for each other as we travel this journey to the promise land. God bless.

[@kayrush9834]

Good stuff wow wee! It boggles my mind that they find the word of God so hard to understand.

[@ThePreparedAdventist]

In other words, if God's law, the transcript of His character, is glorious when it is written upon stone, how much more glorious it will be when it is lived out in the life of regenerate Christians in the glorious New Covenant?

[@AdventDefenseLeague]

Powerful summation. Posting it in the group 🙂

[@jayzee61]

Someone needs to help out the jack hibbs guy and other lost Protestants when it comes to prophetic interepretation.. I just looked at one of his videos about the mark of the beast.. and all it was was guesswork at best.. after learning the 7th day adventist teachings the scriptures become clear as a bell..

[@thatnicekid04]

0:00 - Intro
0:32 - The Accusation
2:54 - Jesus not destroy the Law
4:58 - Added words to the text
6:08 - Context of 2 Corinthians 3
9:39 - The 10 Commandments Are Written in the Heart
10:34 - The Holy Spirit Writes the Law
12:30 - Why does the Letter Kill?
17:37 - The Ministrations
21:38 - Was the Law abolished?
23:03 - Summary

[@wally8224]

Great message brethren. Blessings to those who hear and understand.

[@ThePreparedAdventist]

The letter kills if you are a sinner. If you are justified and sanctified by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, you have a new heart given to you, with the Ten Commandments written upon your heart. This is the New Covenant.
In both cases, the content is the same, the Ten Commandments.
The difference between whether it is a ministration of death, or ministration of life, is whether or not you have faith in Christ and the Ten Commandments written upon your heart by the Spirit.

[@reginaldmoore6272]

My understanding of these passages somewhat follows this example: give one group of people the 10 commandments written down and have them to just read them everyday, day and night, several times a day....another group have them to read the 10 commandments acknowledging the fact that God wrote them, all the while having them to continue during this time to pray and ask God to allow His Spirit to write them in their heart. Which group would you say is more likely able to be successful at keeping them and bringing glory and honor to God. John 14:15. BLESSINGS!

[@seanksutton]

From what I understand, the 2 covenants are experiential. This is what Jones and Waggoner taught as part of the 1888 message. The faithless and legalistic response to the Everlasting Covenant is the experience of the Old Covenant. A response of faith is the New Covenant. 2 Corinthians 3 is contrasting the responses of two groups of people: those at Sinai (“all that the Lord has said WE will do”-Old Covenant) and those at Corinth, who had the law of God written on their hearts through the Spirit because of their faith!
I highly recommend Skip MacCarty’s book “In Granite or Ingrained” for a detailed look at this topic. Paul Penny Jr. covers the issue of the covenants as it relates to the 1888 message in Adventism in his thesis “Calvary at Sinai: the Law and the Covenants in Seventh-Day Adventist History.”
Blessings!

[@AdventDefenseLeague]

I've got both those books! 🙂

[@Vladi.G]

In Granite or Ingrained is a must read.

[@NateH1984]

I have not read Paul Penny Jr's Thesis. Will have to get that or find it this week! Thank you for the recommendation. God bless!🙏☝️

[@AighEnoughAlready]

YES!!! For sure! I got both the book and the workbook a year or more ago but have been too busy only wasting time, I fear, chatting with former Christians and former SDAs to read them.
And I’ve started reading the first of three books by Helmut Haubeil, on the steps to revival, a must for every SDA. Check ‘em out!
Yeah. Thank you for the other recommendation. I’ll check it out too. And it’s Penno, not Penny.

[@rollinghillsslo]

Why do people think of the 10 Commandments as a strange thing? Especially on the 4th one? I was converted the first time I heard it. It's much safer to go by what the Bible says.

[@bop-ya-good]

The law is to bring you to Christ. Thats it, job done. Now you have faith be DEAD to the law!

[@rollinghillsslo]

@bop-ya-good That is true. So what does it mean, to be dead to the law which says "do not commit adultery"? What is the application of that?

[@bop-ya-good]

@rollinghillsslo so be dead to the law and live unto God!
Galatians 2:19 KJV - For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
So brother, now being dead seek not law to be led by but the spirit, that's the challenge.
Galatians 5:18 KJV - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

[@rollinghillsslo]

@bop-ya-good I agree. So do you still honor your parents? Is that the opposite of being dead tp the law?

[@bop-ya-good]

@rollinghillsslo you don't honor parents because of a law. You are dead to law. Galatians 2:19 KJV - For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
You are not led by laws brother, or under law. Galatians 5:18 KJV - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
So live unto God and be led by spirit and not law!.
What you are seeking is another righteousness.
Here, Paul describes what you are doing.
Romans 10:5 KJV - For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

[@michaelschneider4082]

REV 14: 12 Here is the patients of the saints: here are they that keep the COMMANDMENTS of God, and the faith of Jesus. Case Closed my Brothers and Sisters

[@normahepburn1643]

AMEN AND AMEN.

[@soniabambe741]

Thanks You guys very good lesson
Explanation very clear

[@OurSavior-xr3yc]

Excellent job going through that step-by-step.

[@OurSavior-xr3yc]

Thank you for the heart. I have several of your programs. Videos saved to watch and undo. Just notify me if you're gonna have anything brand new and while the either debate with anyone. In particular, I'm not necessarily looking for division more. Just hopefully someone's willing to open their heart to listen that kind of debate. But I watch regular debates too, but I'm more looking for people to hopefully come to God soon because. Time is running out. God bless all 3 of you, gentlemen.

[@ballenparks1231]

I had never seen this picture before listening to this video.
Moses goes up into the mountain after destroying the first tablets and advocates for the people of Israel and for God to postpone their destruction.
Moses asks for God to traverse with the children of Israel through the wilderness of sin. Moses also asks to see God's glory. God then proclaims his name and glory in Exodus 34:6,7 as being abundantly merciful, yet also just.
After coming down from the mountain, Moses' face is shining because he is reflecting the glory and name of God. He's shining so much that he has to wear a veil over his face to hide it from the children of Israel.
When Christ dies, the veil in the temple is ripped from top to bottom. Where the law, the resurrected staff, the pot of manna, the ark of the testament, and the glorious presence of God should have been was missing because it was now manifest on the mount of the skull. Christ the mercy seat and the glory; e.g. mercy and longersuffering covering the payment of God's justice, was on a hill lifted up for all of mankind to be made visible. He walked through the wilderness of sin with us when he took humanity upon himself.
To God be the glory

[@simonemal1025]

Great study

[@tellittotheworld857]

The question is this. What is the ministration of death "written and engraven in stone?"

[@larrybedouin2921]

The Levitical ministration of the law.

[@thatnicekid04]

That was answered in this video.
Paul speaks of 2 ministrations:
The Old Ministration was when the Law written on Stones and not the Heart.
The New Ministration is the Law written in the Heart.
Watch the video.

[@tellittotheworld857]

@thatnicekid04 an explanation was not given on what is the meaning of "written and engraving in stone" means.

[@thatnicekid04]

@@tellittotheworld857 it was.
The 10 Commandments were written on stone. When it was only on stone and not in the heart, the people failed.
But under the New Ministration, the Holy Spirit writes God's 10 Commandments, that were on stone, in the heart.
The purpose of this is so that people don't sin.
David said "thy law have I hid in my heart that I may not sin against thee".
The Holy Spirit is doing the work of the New Ministration. He is writing God's Law in the heart.
Ezekiel 36:
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
2 Corinthians 3:3
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

[@larrybedouin2921]

Now of the things which we have spoken this is *the sum* We have such an high priest, (of the order of Melchizedek; chapter 7) who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty *in the heavens*
A minister of *the sanctuary* and of the true tabernacle, *which the Lord pitched and not man*
For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
(His life; "no greater love"...)
For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests [Levitical] that offer gifts according to the law:
Who serve unto the example and *shadow* of *heavenly things* as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make *the tabernacle* for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to *the pattern* shewed to thee in the mount.
*But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry* by how much also *he* is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
*For if that first covenant had been faultless then should no place have been sought for the second*
For *finding fault with them* he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make *a new covenant* with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; *I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts* and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
{Hebrews 8:1-10} (Jer 31:31-33)

[@michaelschneider4082]

Paul is clearly stating what was written in stone (10 Commandments) by the Finger of God one could say directly from the Holy Spirit is now placed upon our hearts through the Holy Spirit AKA His Helper. Mat 5: 17-19 Jesus is perfectly clear that His Law is His Bond.

[@bop-ya-good]

The law is a curse to us today.
Thank jesus who came and fulfilled the law and removed the curse for us!!

[@AighEnoughAlready]

Yeah, love is such a curse. And fulfilled is such a clear synonym for abolished. Aigh. Or not. As if.

[@bop-ya-good]

Saved: In Adventism, being saved is a process, not a one-time event. It involves accepting Jesus' grace, repenting of sins, and living a life committed to following Him.
This must be as the sevy can be blotted out of the book of life at any time if unconfessed sin remains! Let's pray for our sevy brothers and sisters that no unconfessed sin remains on the book of life!

[@IvanMartinez-ld5mx]

The laws of God can only condem, just like the laws of man. And once you break the law you need a defense attorney and you are brought before the judge. Can the law dispense mercy. NO, only the judge can dispense mercy. But if you show no remorse or abhorance for your sin, will you receive forgiveness and mercy. No, No, No.

[@bop-ya-good]

Thank God we are no longer under the schoolmaster of the law.
Gal 3:25
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
We are led by spirit not laws!
Gal 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

[@bop-ya-good]

So the law is a curse to us today. So are Adventists led by the covenant ten commandments and achieve righteousness by doing?

[@bop-ya-good]

The law has one power, to condemn, not manage sin. The law is a ministration of death that now faith has come we do not use yo lead us.

[@vegacool1]

The text doesn't say he saw the ten commandments, if anything he could only see the mercy seat.

[@thatnicekid04]

What was in the Ark of the Covenant? Show Bible please. 🙏

[@vegacool1]

@@thatnicekid04 what was over the ten commandments? Please show. You are focused on the law, not the seat of mercy over the law.

[@Vladi.G]

@@vegacool1You cannot separate the two. The law of God, His character, is the foundation of His kingdom. That’s why the mercy seat is on top of the law. Every attribute of God is also the attribute of the law.

[@thatnicekid04]

@@vegacool1 I think you know that is inside of the Ark. But you don't want to acknowledge it because it points out your sin.
God sits on the Mercy Seat, but the context of Revelation 11|19 is about judging, and God uses the 10 Commandments as the standard according to James 2.

[@vegacool1]

@@Vladi.G Acts 13:39 ESV - and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.

[@michaelschneider4082]

We can also use this method with what was done away with on the cross. AKA the old administration was done away with while the new administration was set in place.

[@dennykatz157]

Hebrews8:10 replaces the old covenant law written in stone, with the new covenant law written in the heart and put in the mind!

[@joachimharazim3083]

Disobedience is the OPPOSITE to Obedience!! In obedience to the Father, Jesus kept the 10 commandments!! If you do not obey, you automatically disobey!!! there is no neutral ground!!! Therefore: Obedience is goodly --- disobedience (rebellion) is of the most wicked enemy.

[@AighEnoughAlready]

Yet the new way is older than the old way, all the way back to Eden older. And it was the real way the entire time that the old way was the “old” way.

[@bop-ya-good]

The ministration is the covenant ten commandments...

[@bop-ya-good]

Do adventists actually believe Noah and Abraham had the covenant ten commandments?
Is that a thing?
Gal 3:17
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
The law was ADDED!
Gal 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
We do not need a law to sin.............we do not need a law to stop sinning!

[@rupierichards1809]

Yes, you are right. However. The heavenly covenant and the earthly operated differently. If you don't have a good understanding of the Scriptures you will be misled. For example, God established the earthly covenant as an account of people's sin. (The Law was not made for the righteous but for sinners). The heavenly covenant is for the righteous (Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins). Because our sins are forgiven, we are declared righteous. Therefore, the righteous serve under the heavenly ministry: Love your neighbor as your self and Jesus being our High Priest, while sinners serve under the earthly ministry: Thou shall not kill; thou shall not steal etc. Which one do you serve under?

[@TheLukky12345]

Why do you guys block comments?

[@AdventDefenseLeague]

We don't. Unless someone curses. Did you curse? Otherwise hit the "newest" filter and it may reappear. You critics still haven't realized its a RUclips issue.

[@bop-ya-good]

Adventists actually dont know jesus is not talking to gentiles today in his earthly ministry.

[@bop-ya-good]

I hope sda's agree with paul, they are not under law!
Romans 6:14 KJV - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

[@jimijames7703]

Galatians 4:21-31

[@bop-ya-good]

To be free from sin you need to be DEAD to law…. not follow laws!
Rom 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
To be free from sin remove yourself from under the law….
Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
You can be righteous now with a present salvation, all without law keeping!
Rom 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested.

[@bop-ya-good]

The letter makes you die, lol...the law is the curse we are nonlonger under....dont go back to law but live by the spirit.

[@MaryMartinez-lm5tv]

What difference would it make if you kept the Commandments or not you don't have Jesus

[@Realnuff1]

Friend, it was Jesus who gave The Ten Commanments! 1 Corinthians chapter 10

[@MaryMartinez-lm5tv]

@@Realnuff1 yeah but it wasn't the 1844 Jesus that you have that you said is the devil for your atonement in the investigative judgment

[@MaryMartinez-lm5tv]

But it's not the 1844 Jesus that you claim you have and you said he's the devil for your atonement

[@MaryMartinez-lm5tv]

@@Realnuff1 but it's not the 1844 Jesus you claim you have and is the devil free atonement in the investigative judgment

[@MaryMartinez-lm5tv]

The uploader is not letting me respond to you why would that be happening because he's not Christian and he's breaking his promise to the people to be able to communicate

[@ChristlikeChrist]

John said “I saw the ark of the testament” he did not say that he saw the 10 commandments, you are inserting something that is not in the text… Paul declares that the law on stones are done away with, so is Paul and and John contradicting each other?

[@AdventDefenseLeague]

Hebrews 8:5 KJV - Who serve unto the EXAMPLE and SHADOW of HEAVENLY THINGS, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the TABERNACLE: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN shewed to thee in the mount.
Hebrews 9:1-4 KJV - Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; Which had the golden censer, and the ARK OF THE COVENANT overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the TABLES OF THE COVENANT.
According to these verses, the earthly ARK OF THE COVENANT was an "example and shadow of HEAVNRLY THINGS..." So, if the earthly Ark had 10 Commandments that were an example and shadow of a heavenly ark... what was inside of the heavenly Ark that John saw in Revelation11:19?

[@fournierro1]

Yes it is not clear there. Psalms 111 : 7, 8, 10. Is clearer on this. Exodus 20 : 1- 17. outline all ten of the Commandments that God wrote using His own hands.

[@mbrown6837]

Since you teach that only the 10 Commandments are in the ark in heaven were the other laws abolished, the dietary laws, tithing, incest, etc? Please provide the list of commandnents that you teach were not abolished
and the scriptural reasons why you chose them.

[@thatnicekid04]

We only go with what the Bible says. The ceremonial portions that dealt with animal sacrifices, physical circumcision, and forgiveness of sin were blotted out and dealt with by Jesus (Colossians 2:16; Ephesians 2:15; Hebrews 9:9-10). The Bible doesn't mention that the 10 Commandments were blotted out.

[@Vladi.G]

The 10 commandments encompass all other laws. His commandments are exceedingly broad (Psalm 119:96).
If you eat food that is unclean, you are harming your body (i.e. modern science shows that eating pork is terrible for our health) and thus you are breaking the 6th commandment by slowly killing yourself.
If you don’t give of your money for God’s work by tithing, you love money more than you love God and the 1st commandment says to have no other gods besides the Lord our God. You can’t serve both God and money (Matthew 6:24)
If you commit incest, you are breaking the 10th commandment as Leviticus 18:6-18 explains that these are not meant for you to uncover their nakedness. So by committing incest you would be coveting something that is not yours to have.
I say none of these things in judgement. God judges each according to the light we have received, but these are the principles behind God’s law. His laws are not arbitrary, but rather they are purposeful and full of wisdom.

[@mbrown6837]

@@thatnicekid04 Unfortunately the bible does not refer to sny commandments as ceremonial. That distinction was borrowed from the Roman Catholic Church.
Even circumcision preceded the formal giving the law/ the 10 commandments. Is that rite ceremonial?

[@thatnicekid04]

@@mbrown6837 it does.
Ephesians 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, *even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;* for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
The word ordinance in this verse means ceremonial in the Strong's Concordance.
Strong's Definition: From the base of G1380; a law (civil, *ceremonial* or ecclesiastical): - decree, ordinance.

[@mbrown6837]

@@thatnicekid04 :
Have you ever really studied this Greek word "dogma", to check to see if it was EVER since the 2 - 3 century BC used for any of God's laws of commandments? Or are you just repeating something you heard?
Let me share the following with you, which shows your "1" supposed source of evidence that there are "ceremonial laws" (of which neither the Hebrew nor Greek nor Aramaic original text will confirm your position) is patently conjured up by your teachers.
The LXX Septuagint text is online and you can check if you choose but note the following:
The word ordinances (or decrees) in Col. 2:14 is translated from the Greek word dogmasin, a form of the Greek word dogma (Strongs # G1378). ( [1380 (dokéō) is the root of: 1378 (dógma),
God's laws, ordinances, instructions, and commandments are mentioned many, many times in the the Greek Old Testament (the Septuagint) that was used by Greek-speaking people of Paul's day. But how many times does the Septuagint use the word dogma (or any of its forms) when referring to God's laws or instructions? Never. Every occurrence of dogma in the Old Testament refers to man-made decrees or rulings. Usually it's the decrees of pagan rulers.
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So to prove your point that there are ceremonial laws, shouldn't one of the original languages in which the OT was written support your claim? Vs having to use a Strong's dictionary, which does not state that any of Gods laws are "ceremonial", (but the definition includes man made laws) a title you will NEVER in the entire OT nor NT.
If God, or any of the Prophets or Jesus or His apostles wanted up to call any of His laws don't you think we would have a text that clearly states this fact? But NO you have no such evidence. As mentioned, your position, your categorization, of a so called Moral Law, vs Ceremonial Law, comes from the Roman Catholic Church.

[@bop-ya-good]

The covenant ten commandments was a covenant between god and israel alone. Fact
Laws increase the knowledge of sin and have no power to stop sin.
Today be dead to the law or be under its power to condemn.
Today obedience to the law has no part in our position before god. Righteousness is now not of doing but believing! Today we have the gift of Righteousness apart from law! Praise god we stand only in his righteousness not our own!

[@BrettRakau]

The bible doesn't or will never contradict itself. Ecc. 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." You get rid of the law, your duty is controlled by the devil. Stop kicking against goads people! It is foolish and futile to resist God’s will (10 Commandments).

[@bop-ya-good]

Are Adventists dead to the law or bound to the law.

[@vegacool1]

SDA: 2 Corinthians 3:17 ESV - Now the Lord is the LAW, and where the LAW of the Lord is, there is freedom.
Blasphemy?

[@thatnicekid04]

Why are you changing what the verse says? Did someone say that the Law is the Spirit?
The video says that the Spirit writes the Law in the heart. That is the New Ministration.
If you are arguing something atleast argue against what is being said.

[@AdventDefenseLeague]

Strawman fallacy

[@vegacool1]

@@AdventDefenseLeague your argument exist because Ellen White saw a halo around the 4th commandment. This is no strawmen. You have to defend the old covenant law, the ten commandments, or throw her out.

[@barryford1482]

A better translation is the sin dept is nailed to the cross

[@savedbyjesus318]

You are quoting scriptures but twisting their applications to suit your narrative!. No one can keep the law and not be condemned. Thank Jesus for what he did for you.

[@vegacool1]

The adventist position has to defend the old covenant terms of the law because Ellen said she saw a halo around the 4th commandment. You are in a bind. Your starting assumption allows you take no other position.

[@justoker4275]

The best you can do is to accuse the children of God

[@Vladi.G]

You’re confused on what difference is between the moral law (the 10 commandments) and the civil and ceremonial laws are. Study the Bible and notice that one is written with the finger of God and placed inside the ark and the other is written by Moses and placed next to the ark. Colossians 2 tells us that the civil and ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross.

[@vegacool1]

@Vladi.G what part of the law was Abraham?
Galatians 4:21-22 ESV - Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman.
Galatians 4:24 ESV - Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.
Two covenants
Galatians 4:30 ESV - But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.”
Galatians 5:1 ESV - For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
Abraham is in the law. Throw out Hagar. The covenant from Sinai.

[@Vladi.G]

@@vegacool1 You don’t understand Galatians. Hagar is the representation of those who live by the flesh and whose law keeping cannot save them. Sara is the representation of those who live by the Spirit whose faith that leads to law keeping will save them. That’s why circumcision took place… to show that we must not live by the flesh (the foreskin), but that we must live by faith and that even with a mutilated flesh God can still save us by faith through the promise.
Hagar doesn’t represent the law… she represents the yoke of slavery of those who stand condemned by the law because they live by the flesh. This is what I shared with you from Romans 6:16-18 earlier.

[@vegacool1]

@Vladi.G I understand the romans reference. Paul calls Hagar the covenant from Sinai.
Exodus 34:28 ESV - So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

[@rupierichards1809]

I don't understand you. You criticized the man by saying he was adding to the Scripture. He was quoting the Scripture and explaining it at the same time. The very thing you have done. Same on you!! However, your explanation is not according to the Gospel.

[@thatnicekid04]

It is adding to scripture to say that the ministration of condemnation is the 10 Commandments.
It isn't. That was adding to scripture.
The chapter is about 2 ministrations. One is when the 10 Commandments are in stone and the other is when it is in the heart.

[@rupierichards1809]

@@thatnicekid04 I don't think you get it. The Ten Commandments embody the whole operations of the Old Testament system. Everything the priests and the Jewish people did was based on the Ten Commandments that determined their righteousness or unrighteousness. Therefore the ministrations of the Old and New Testaments speak to the governing authorities of both ministries under which the people function in God's presence. Think about it: If sin is the transgression of the Law, this speaks not only to our sinful nature but to anything that contravenes God's Commandments. Therefore, the Ten Commandments are broader than what we think.
The New Covenant that is placed into our hearts and minds speaks to a different ministration than the ministry of the Ten Commandments that God wrote on stones. SDA seems to be equating both of them in the same manner. The Old and New Testaments' administrations are different. If we don't fully understand the difference, we will likely teach or preach a different gospel.

[@thatnicekid04]

​@@rupierichards1809 SDAs teach that the 10 Commandments are broad. But we still are to keep them.

[@rupierichards1809]

​@@thatnicekid04You are trying to keep them! Jesus died for you because you could not keep them. Are you despising Jesus' death and sufferings? You don't seem to understand the Scriptures. That which you are trying to keep is not for the righteous but for sinners. Or unless you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your savior. I am sure you don't understand the Scriptures. My guess is you are too focused on the order of the flesh (the Old Testament) and not understanding the way of the Spirit (New Testament). Remember: Christians are not under the Law but under Grace. This is a very common Scripture. I am sure you have often read it. I am also equally sure you don't understand it. If you did, you would have never said you are trying to keep them. God commanded us to love each other. Love fulfills the Law. Place the emphasis on love.

[@larrybedouin2921]

​@@rupierichards1809
"Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

[@vegacool1]

SDA: now that Jesus has come, you are under the ministry of death, carved on stone.

[@thatnicekid04]

Watch the video. We are under the Ministration of the Spirit: The Law Written in the Heart as the chapter says.
Refute what is said instead of making false accusations.

[@vegacool1]

@@thatnicekid04 the law of the Spirit. The law of liberty. The law of Christ, yes. But not the terms of the old covenant.

[@Marcus_Thomas_]

What makes it the ministration of death is a life of practicing sin. When we reject the free gift of salvation and refuse to walk in the righteousness of Christ, we place ourselves under the ministration of death. But God's Son has met the demands of the law by his life on earth by overcoming the world. The ministration that is available today is the ministration of life, which happens to be also the same law that brings death. It brings life to those who accept the merits of Christ for their sin and who choose to walk according to God's will.
Paul says in Roman's 7:10- "And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death."
Why did he find it to be unto death? Because he saw God's law in a new light, he never knew before. Because in verse 14 of Romans 7 "For we know that the law is spiritual." Paul only looked at the external part of God's law but did not understand at the time that the law is spiritual. He was righteous in his own eyes until the law of God pointed to his heart sins and that was what broke him and made him realize he was void of the righteousness of Christ, which God's law reflects. The law of God is not the problem because Paul says, "The law is holy, and the commandment holy, just and good." We will be judged by God's law in the judgment, which is the standard.

[@thatnicekid04]

@@vegacool1 read 2 Corinthians 3:3. The thing that was written in the stone is now written in the heart. That is the New Ministration. No longer having the Law on stones only, but placing that Law in the heart of God's people. This is the New Covenant.
Look what the Holy Spirit does when He changes our hearts.
Ezekiel 36:27
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

[@MaryMartinez-lm5tv]

They picked up the law and got rid of Jesus Christ in 1844

[@vegacool1]

You can't keep the commandments, if you broke one, you broke them all. There is no way you can exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees. Jesus obedience is the only thing that counts

[@Vladi.G]

I can’t keep the commandments, but God can do it in me by writing them on my heart and causing me to obey them (Ezekiel 36:26-27). When we submit to God’s Spirit we will obey His law. Finish reading the passage you are quoting and see how James tells us to speak and act as those who are judged by God’s law.

[@vegacool1]

@@Vladi.G Romans 5:19 ESV - For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.

[@Vladi.G]

@@vegacool1Yes, Christ’s obedience is ours by the Spirit. Are you suggesting that because Christ was obedient that we can now willingly disobey? What do you think it means to have Christ live in us by faith (Galatians 2:20)? You think that Christ would live in us differently than how He lived in Himself? Is God changing?

[@vegacool1]

@@Vladi.G shall we sin that grace may abound, God forbid.
Acts 13:39 ESV - and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.

[@thatnicekid04]

​@@vegacool1do you believe this verse?
Ezekiel 36:27
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

[@bop-ya-good]

Saved: In Adventism, being saved is a process, not a one-time event. It involves accepting Jesus' grace, repenting of sins, and living a life committed to following Him.
This must be as the sevy can be blotted out of the book of life at any time if unconfessed sin remains! Let's pray for our sevy brothers and sisters that no unconfessed sin remains on the book of life!

[@AighEnoughAlready]

Yyyeah. As if mere forgiveness, especially one-time forgiveness, could make God’s holy presence safe for a habitual sinner, or a habitual sinner forever safe for and forever able to enjoy His pure and holy home.
As if Jesus resisted all three types of temptation for His health, or said with us it’s impossible, but WITH God it’s possible, for His health.
As if He was confused, didn’t get the memo, or didn’t really mean it when He told the woman to go and sin no more, or lied to or mislead the lawyer and the rich, young ruler about the key to eternal life, or at least left them wondering, or when He said in Matthew 5:18, “until Heaven and Earth pass away.”
As if a rare sin would endanger God’s pure and holy home. As if it isn’t a habit / cherished sin / a divided heart that would endanger Heaven.
Thus as if it isn’t one’s trend of life that determines one’s fitness for Heaven, not an occasional sin.
Besides, as if a godly Christian would fail to confess and repent of the rare or occasional sin. Dream on.
As if it’s safe to overlook that phrase and 19-20, as if they aren’t even there. As if there won’t be a price to pay for doing so.
What a rude awakening you’ve got coming, oh, the egg, oh, the crow, oh, the humble pie if you don’t up your quality of Bible study and due diligence before it’s too late.

[@simonemal1025]

The mosaic law (the sacrificial system) was done away with at the cross, because Jesus was the sacrificial lamb that died for us at the cross. John 19:30

[@Lamech212]

The Ten commandments are the pillars of God's government and can't be done away with. It's rather the system of keeping the Ten commandments of the old testament which are done away with. Jesus has nailed All those requirements for keeping the Ten commandments on the cross.
Now we keep the commandments of God through Jesus Christ, not through sacrifices, or festivals etc.