The Investigative Judgement PROVEN!? Did This Doctrine Originate With SDAs?
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- Опубликовано: 26 окт 2024
- Is the IJ biblical? People like Allen Parr do not think so, attributing it to a SDA invented doctrine. Lets see if these claims are true, and if others before SDAs believed things similar.
0:40 - Intro
2:17 - Does The Bible Preach About A Judgement To Come?
5:48 - Are We Being Judged Now?
11:08 - Where Was The Ark Of The Testament Located?
18:04 - When Is The Cleansing Of The Sanctuary
23:52 - How Does God View Us When Our Sins Are Blotted Out?
26:25 - Church Fathers Who Believed Similar Things to SDAs
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Jay, the reason the investigative judgement is so hated is because it is a salvation message to prepare us for the final moments that God is using to turn our hearts to him. When we view the judgement in its right context we see a loving and merciful God finding every possible way to save His children. As pastor Myers said, what we do in life is what God is investigating and if we can see the Holy Spirit right in the center of it all, daily becking us and calling us to repentance so that God can have a reason to proclaim us just, we WILL indeed take up our cross daily and put self to death. This Sabbath my pastor spoke of the whole burnt offering and how we are to become like a whole burnt offering for God. There is no live offering, all had to die, even Christ. Satan already understands this and is preventing even those among us from coming to this understanding. Holy Spirit, please continue to intercede for us all
Hey guys, I love how u study the Bible .. it makes sense, and it shows God is actually sensible.. when you listen most of these Christians, they make God sound like he is crazy.
Wow, who would've guessed! Investigative Judgment IS Biblical!
It's just not in the Bible. But it is in your head,
It is totally biblical@@JamieElison
@@pattis2572it doesn't exist. Daniel 8 is not written to you! and it hasn't even started!.. you're not Daniel's people!. And it's got nothing to do with an investigation or a sanctuary in heaven!
@@jimbob1644
IJ is biblical my friend. If only you let someone explain it to you.
“Daniel 8 is not written to you”
🙄🥱😴 same old stuff. As if that is your call. lol.
Amen, regardless of what others call the Sevwnth Day Adventist understanding of the Investigative Judgemwnt, her position very affirmative.. If Christian churches understand the Hebrew Sqncuary as shallows to the Christ ultimate mission as the Savior of the world than we would appreciate every other teaching after the Christian dispensation. We cannot guest anything out of the blue but within the blue print of the century services which prefigures the whole gospel and the plan of redemption found in Christ alone.
Thank you AD.L. For God's truth will always come under attack just like the early christian church who went through persecution during the dark ages .
Everything that Adventist believ makes more sense that all these lies told by so many of the so called Christian churches on their sites against SDA..
MY GOD! this study was eye opening for me - thank you so much guys! im going to need these slides haha God bless ya'll ministry! looking forward to more videos and studies!
That was amazing. What a magnificent job, guys!
The Bible teaching of investigative judgement flies in the face of the false teaching that I fly off to heaven when I die and once saved always saved.
No one believes in once saved always saved. That's a lie and rumor of the SDA church. Neither does anyone believe in a "secret" rapture. This is proof, the SDA Church is guilty of breaking the 9th commandment. Thou shalt not bear false witness
MIC DROP 🎙🎙🎙!!! GOD IS A REVELER NOT A CONCEALER
What does God revel in?
Well, I believe God in his mercy wants to uphold the right to privacy. This is clearly demonstrated in the case of Mary Magdalena's accusers. Now, he gives us the opportunity to either value it or void it, at which point our sins become known.
Excellent. Praise God. Enjoyed it. Can't wait to make it my own.
I've come to an understanding that the problem is not the Doctrine in itself, but it's because "IT'S THE SDA PREACHING" .
Look at how people used to understand the Mark of The Beast (Luther), Second Coming and Baptism, Trinity...
Nowadays, everything SDA holds as fundamental doctrines are being attacked through every angle...
Good point.
“The MINISTERS must be CONVERTED before they can strengthen their brethren. They should not preach themselves, but Christ and His righteousness. A REFORMATION is needed among the people, but it should first begin its purifying work with the MINISTERS.” 1 T 469
It has often been presented to me that there should be LESS SERMONIZING by MINISTERSs, acting merely as local pastors of churches, and that greater personal efforts should be put forth. Our people should not be made to think that they need to listen to a sermon every Sabbath. Many who listen frequently to sermons, even though the truth be presented in clear lines, LEARN BUT LITTLE. Often it would be more profitable if the Sabbath meetings were of the nature of a Bible-class study. 21 LtMs Lt 192
“The church, ENFEEBLED and DEFECTIVE, needing to be REPROVED, WARNED, and COUNSELED, is the only object upon earth upon which Christ bestows His supreme regard.” EG White
@@bobreese4807 I like what you said. Very Mature view. This is how a Christian should be.
@bobreese4807 Well said Bob! SDA members! This is how a Christian should respond. In love ! The quote by EG White at end sums it up. People get comfortable in church and forget about the lost. No love but great at arguing.
Critics will be critics regardless of the evidence presented!
You mean like how the Catholic Church is criticized, regardless of the evidence?? 🤔
Catholics are lost. Ellen was a plagiarist
@@Luke-ch4exThe Catholic Church is The Only Church that can be traced for 2000 years, all the way back to Jesus. Look at historical fact
@@jfarrell2772 that’s the Catholic claim. Mormons claim to be the only true church too. Are the Mormons right?
@@Luke-ch4exLol, Luke. The SDAs fall into the category of Mormons. Because... The SDA Church was started by a faulty sinful woman in 1844.
The Catholic Church was started by Jesus Himself, 2000 years ago.
The Catholic Church was Started by Jesus Himself. All other Churches were started by faulty man. But worst of all, your Church was started by a faulty Woman
They have no understanding so sad they have ears and hear not, eyes and see not. Ever learning and never able to come tothe full knowledge of the truth...2 Tim3:7
So this isn't an SDA thing that some dude just pulled out of a hat??? 😂🤯🤯
He that hath an ear let him hear.
Other Christians have a contradiction in that the Bible clearly says the judgement happens in the last days, but if you believe that you go to heaven or hell at death it means you have been already judged and either found guilty or found innocent through the blood of Christ.
Thank you for thus powerful message,Just love the way you explain.God Bless in Jesus name Amen
i wonder if he has that disgust on his face when he deals with Catholicism
They learned little in the catholic church
Great study! Keep giving people Bible truth 🙏
True there is judgement because there is a lot of false worship due the sin problem
Yeah the false worship is SDA they don't have Jesus
So in reality, SDA is top of the list of false worship, making EGW an authoritative source and interpret the Holy Scriptures. Very SAD indeed!
the look on his face is troubling. Since what he is hating about what we teach is so biblical.
Whose is "his"?
@@NextLevel-k9ono I didn't block anybody ..I never do! that !(uploaders do that!
@@JamieElison
That guy wasn’t talking to you. Lol.
And the uploaders dont block anyone. YT is what causes some comments to be hidden. Someday you will learn that you are not important enough for the owners of this channel to pay attention to you enough to take the time to block your nonsensical comments.
@@JustAMessanger-o7gam I important enough
@@JustAMessanger-o7gwho was he talking to you? it's got my name attached to it. Once again, you can't read, can you? that's why you can't interpret Bible either.
Hey brother's this is a great study you are doing a great job keep doing what you are doing I am learning and will be sharing
God bless those who honored His word.
The judgement of God will take place very soon.
I'm glad that our God give me so many beautiful prophetic songs.
I'm from Mexico, but live in the Philippines. My first language is Spanish.
That's why all my songs are in Spanish.
But here I let some titles of my Spanish songs.
1, Los Juicios de Dios. the judgement of God.
2, Quien cambio la ley de Dios.who change the law of God.
3, Estallo la Guerra en El Cielo. War in heaven.
4, Evolution o Creacion. Evolution, or Creation.
5, lebantence los que duermen. Awake those who are sleeping.
6, Hombre de pecado. Man of sin.
7, Escrito Esta. It is written.
And so many more.
This songs are available in my page of RUclips.
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First! 😎😀
IJ is biblical everyone!
Several examples in the Bible of God using that principle prior to handing out a final judgment. Sodom and Gomorrah is a very clear example.
@justamessenger4577 Now one saying you can't have have your view. I and many others have my view as well. It's not a salvation issue. Either zchrist blood paid it all or it didn't. Doesn't mean free Grace.
@@craigmartin8242
His blood did pay it all, otherwise we would be under the penalty of death.
“Doesn’t mean free grace”
Not sure what you mean by that.
And what is your view?
@justamessenger4577 I believe his blood paid it all. I think a person gets on slippery slope if not. Because he died for us and we are by nature's wretch, s we should naturally want to good. I believe if a person thinks they have any righteousness without Christ they are sadly mistaken. The heart is deceitful wicked.
@@craigmartin8242
Ok. What does that have to do with my original comment?
The guys hiding the comments! Did you figure that out yet? Why would a Christian do that?
I am an Adventist in EU and I am studying for pastor, I have watched a lot of your videos and love them. I am very proud of you for standing up for Adventist faith in the face of critics.
While I wholeheartedly agree with the idea of Investigative Judgement. We see it throughout the Scripture as you pointed out in this video, however, the investigation is ALL the time, it starts with the Fall and ends with the Second Coming. There is no logical conclusion for 1844 to be the start of a Judgment, since God has judged and "investigated"; "searched" the world MANY times in Scripture. The historicist approach has its flaws and I think we as Adventist have made a mistake in using it for every single "time period" in Daniel, I would really love if I can be a guest or talk sometime in a brotherly manner and have an open discussion about those ideas with you.
Also, my main point of contention is this:
John in the final moments of his last vision, Revelation 21:22 "22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple." This goes to show that the Earthly sanctuary represents God/Jesus or the sacred space. It's needed here on Earth because we are in the "wilderness" of the sinful nature of Earth.
However, in heaven, there is no need of a temple (sacred space) because God IS sacred and heaven has not sinned.
The cleansing of the sanctuary in Daniel can only point out to the cleansing of the sin in other words Earth. That's what Yom Kippur represented, and WHEN the High Priest went into the tabernacle NOBODY could repent of their sins it's before that.
In the final analysis, we see that IF Jesus went into the Holiest of Hollies in 1844, nobody can repent of their sins anymore, and that's not what we teach, but that's what the High Priest entering the Most Holy place means!
I am a proud man and wouldn't want to stand against my own faith, but I have to be objective, and the Bible doesn't lead me to 1844 as the day of atonement.
On the contrary the Bible makes it VERY hard for us to believe that God would make a prophetic prediction for 1844, because that would mean, that we kinda "know" the day and the time when God returns, or at least we know that he WON'T return before 1844, and that's anti-Christian theological thinking. Jesus said that we don't know when was the day and time, and I think that He meant it.
What 2300 means is for us to understand in the future, in my honest opinion that's a prophetic time for the people in the end of time, it is LITERAL days, and they would point out to the end. Like a final countdown. That's why Daniel prophecies connect so much with Revelation, they point to the final moments of the Earth. I know you might not agree, but it's my humble opinion.
The 2,300-day Prophecy is connected to the 70-Week Prophecy.
If the 70-Week Prophecy connects to the time of Jesus then the 70-Week Prophecy must be years starting in 457BC. If the 70-Week Prophecy is years starting in 457BC then the 2,300-day Prophecy is years starting in 457BC and ending in 1844.
The Bible is clear that something related to the Sanctuary is happening in 1844. The only Sanctuary standing was the Heavenly Sanctuary that Jesus is the High Priest of.
More evidence to consider is that Jesus said that the Abomination of Desolation would be after His time. The power that sets up the Abomination of Desolation is the same power that casts down the place of God's Sanctuary.
Compare Daniel 8:9-12 with Daniel 11:31-37. The Little Horn is the power that cast down the Sanctuary and sets up the Abomination of Desolation that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15-16. Therefore Jesus was speaking of a future event.
As an Adventist, do you reject this crucial Biblical view of the church?
The Revelation 22 verse you quoted was on the New Earth. The was no need for the Sanctuary because the work of erasing sin was completed by then.
Complete your study first one step at a time or else you put yourself into confusion that leads to your self destruction.
Your critical error is that Revelation 21:22 is in the New Heaven, there is no need of a temple there. Paul clearly says the earthly temple was made after the pattern of the heavenly. I can also tell you clearly didn't watch the video because they specifically talk about the temple in heaven for several minutes. Revelation 11.
@EyesFireable with All respect you remind me of Dr Desmond Ford.
Be careful your view point OPPOSES Biblically prophetic view which gave birth to SDA movement.
@@garikayiwamambo We don't have ALL the knowledge and we might have made a mistake. It's nothing foundational. I mean our whole movement starts with a mistake, and then the pioneers are working through it :)
"Be careful" is not a way to treat your fellow believer, like I am attacking my church which I serve. We are exchanging ideas and are working through problems, the thing that gave birth to SEVENTH DAY Adventist is the SEVENTH day. I think it's very evident from the name.
The Body of Christ, His true holy and Apostolic Church is the Sanctuary in the new testament. Daniel's "Cleansing of the Sanctuary" refers to what will happen in the end times, last 6 years, to His Church on Earth. Jesus said the wheat will be separated from the tares. The tares will be bundled and thrown into the fire, Thus, cleansing His Church
Question: was John Tillinghast also correct about the views he obviously would have held on the Sabbath/ Sunday issue and other SDA doctrines that some of his writings clearly would not agree with? Why not quote him about the other issues as well? There are many many more established and respected bible scholars, historians, theologians and researchers who've written contrary to John Tillinghast on the interpretations of this particular subject of the 2300 evenings, mornings on which he's being quoted.
The IJ is a man-made doctrine, created by Hiram Edson and ORL Crosier, to soften the impact and fallout of the great disappointment, which was the result of a false interpretation of Daniel 8:14. It is the only doctrine that have been birthed in a cornfield through a sky opening up vision. ORL Crosier eventually admitted that the IJ was not biblical and that it was a concoction of theological novices. William Miller himself rejected the submission of this alternative interpretation of the text. The majority of honest bible scholars in the SDA church knows quite well that this teaching cannot be authenticated supported by the bible without text twisting and theological gymnastics. You literally have to ignore contextual application of the scriptures in order for the doctrine to fit. The church over the years have invested great resources to find anything that can be twisted and manipulated to make this doctrine fit. The church will always have to do such, because the questions WILL NEVER GO AWAY. Hopefully, the church will come clean someday and tell the truth about the IJ, along with all the other dangerous untruths that have been masterminded by persons who were not skilled in solid biblical understanding.
Now to be fair to those who started the faith, I personally believe that their intentions might have been good, and they might have been genuine and faithful in their beliefs, just like all those Catholics and people from other faiths who really believed that what they believed was true, but with the increase of knowledge and understanding, SDAs should have rejected and moved on from this false teaching by now. We can bend it, twist it, ignore textual context, spin it, pad it, try to re-define it, ignore historical facts, ignore the everlasting Gospel of Christ all we want, AN UNTRUTH WILL NEVER BE THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH WILL NEVER BE SUPPRESSED FOREVER.
THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGEMENT IS AN ABSOLUTELY FALSE DOCTRINE, AND THE LEADERS AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF THE CHURCH AND THE WHITE ESTATE KNOWS THAT IT IS FALSE. One of the main pillars of a remnant people MUST BE FULL HONESTY, especially intellectual honesty.
Gentlemen, I in no way am questioning your honesty and integrity, because I believe you guys are genuinely doing what y'all think is right. Blessings...🙏
The only reason to bring up John Tillinghast was to show that SDAs were not the only ones to conclude that the 2,300-day Prophecy was about years and concluded sometime in the 1800s.
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@@thatnicekid04 AI
@@earlysda yup. Deonte is really good at using it.
@@thatnicekid04 I think it's great!
Sunday worship when it becomes law is the mark of the beast God commands us to keep Saturday/sabbath day holy it’s His day check Isaiah 58:13 Satan said he will be like the Most high in Isaiah 14:14 so he got his day Sunday read Daniel 7:25 google who changed Gods sabbath day ur reading but don’t understand y because psalms 111:10
ADL: Aaron foreshadowed Jesus (see around minute 16).
BIBLE: “called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.”
Hebrews 5:10 KJV
“If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.”
Hebrews 7:11-16 KJV
The fact that God investigated before giving judgment is proven in Genesis 3 . Here we see God investigating Adam and Eve’s sin before rendering judgement and states in verse 15 that the sacrifice of Jesus will provide hope for all humanity .
Genesis 3:8-15 KJV - And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
All that you said is God doesn't know anything. Ahead of time! That is your (god! not mine!
@@JamieElison No. I stated a fact that God held a formal investigation of what occurred even though he knew . God is transparent in his justice so there is no doubt and God was highlighting the plan of salvation ( death of Jesus in humanities place ). If you deny the investigation of Adam and Eve you are rejecting God’s word . So what God is your God ?
@@darrenharriott2120 so why are the sins never removed for SDA people?! As opposed to a Christian? Why does Isaiah 43:25 never happen for an SDA person?
@@JamieElison It is not true that sins are never removed . Who told you that inaccurate statement.
As I stated in Genesis 3:15 is clear in the fact that Jesus will stand in our place so our sins may be forgiven .
1 John 2:1-2 KJV - My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
@@darrenharriott2120 the verses you have written are true.. but your confession of faith says (that's not true..)..the sins are never removed for you..( by your own confession) of Faith )...the sins are placed on the devil of Leviticus 16:10 ..doing your atonement!! that is your confession of faith!.. you can't have it both ways.. you're saying the first Goat of Leviticus 16.. is all that's represented on the cross!.. the first Goat bears no sins!.. if that's the case there cannot be any sins in Jesus Christ !!(1 Peter 2:24!.).. because you've got the sins( on the devil on the same day!) That's how the levitical sanctuary worked the same day!. But the second Goat is Jesus Christ !(and you said He's the devil for your atonement!). Do you realize what that means?
According to Revelation. When are the books opened? Is it between Jesus' resurrection and the second coming? Or is it after the 1000 years?
It's between the first and second resurrection
@@thadofalltrades Revelation 20:12. After the 1000 years, when ALL the resurrected dead whoever existed are standing before the Great White Throne
I think you are trying to say that there can't be an investigative judgement because the Great White Throne judgement is later. You aren't considering the context.
1. Revelation 20:6 is the first resurrection. So, there are no righteous dead by Revelation 20:12. How are the righteous determined, dare I say judged, to be worthy of being part of the first resurrection in Revelation 20:6? That's the investigative judgement. When the time comes for Jesus to return, he looks at the book of life and sees the names of the redeemed there and they are judged worthy to be part of the first resurrection.
2. Paul says the righteous will judge angels and the world.
3. The Great White Throne is after the 1000 years.
4. This is the sequence: A) Prior to the first resurrection there is a judgement to determine who will be among the redeemed when Jesus returns. B) During the 1000 years the righteous are able to review the books to understand why some people they thought would be in heaven are not and to prove to the righteous that God is just. C) The second resurrection happens, and the Great White Throne judgement happens. Now the wicked get to see the books, which prove that God is just in judging them as lost as the redeemed as righteous. D) All traces of sin are eradicated and a New Heave and New Earth is created and all pain, sorrow, etc cease forever.
@@thadofalltradesplease read the other comment i sent to ADL regarding the Investigative Judgement, and answer that one.
The Investigative Judgement denies the biblical teaching that Jesus cleansed our sins at His death and resurrection
@@thadofalltradesYour sequence is taken from SDA Doctrine. What does the Bible say specifically?
The High Priest goes to the MOST HOLY PLACE, immediately first and foremost, on the Day of Atonement.
The sequence, according to the Bible:
1: High Priest goes to The Most Holy Place and sprinkles blood on the Mercy Seat
2: The High Priest moves to the Holy Place to sprinkle blood on the Altar of Incense
3: The High Priest moves back to the Courtyard to pour blood on the Earth and put hands on the Scapegoat
In Heaven Christ:
1: Cleansed our sins upon ascension (went to the Most Holy Place to sprinkle blood on the Mercy Seat)
2: Is in The Holy Place, at Altar of Incense and in the candlesticks, and at the table of shewbread, where He is interceding for us, working through His Church, and abiding in us through His body and blood. (Altar, candlesticks, table of Shewbread)
3: He will pour His wrath on this Earth, (bowls of blood being poured on the Earth- the 7 last bowls) and will come to judge the living and the dead.
Now the SDA Sequence:
1: Christ ascends to heaven where He goes to the Holy Place first, and performs ministrations
2: in 1844 He moves to the Most Holy Place to perform the cleansing of sin, (The Investigative Judgement) where He is now.
3: He comes again, where Satan becomes the scapegoat.
Do you see how this is a reversal of the Biblical teaching?
Is this in the Bible? Or kind of Executives Order from God to EGW THRU JESUS?
So judgement started in 1844. That’s just silly yall. Who taught you that? Ellen White
Bible
@@thatnicekid04 Ellen
@@Luke-ch4ex this video has not one mention of Ellen. The Bible is enough. Refute the verses.
@@thatnicekid04 SDA is Ellen. This video is SDA
@@thatnicekid04 SDAs follow Ellen.
ADL, I sincerely hope that you csn answer to God how you ha 15:42 ve mislead the flock. The only people to be investigated are the wicked. Judgement is in favour of the saints.
Does the Bible Teach that Jesus already cleansed us from sin upon death and resurrection?
Revelation 1:5-6 New King James Version (NKJV)To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen
Does the Investigative Judgement teach that Jesus already cleansed us from sin upon death and resurrection?
The 2300 days are literal days because the Bible uses the words "evening mornings", which means literal days.
The Angel told Daniel, the 2300 days refers to the time of the end, therefore, the 2300 days could not have began in the century of 400 BC.
The Holy one asked how long is the time frame, specifically speaking of the Antichrist and the taking away of the daily sacrifices. Therefore, the 2300 days is the timeframe of when the Antichrist is revealed, the daily sacrifices are taken away.
The Cleansing of the Sanctuary, in this context is not referring to The Day of Atonement in heaven, because it refers to the time of the end. In this context, The Cleansing of the Sanctuary refers to the wheat and tares being separated, in the end times.
God blots out our sins, through the Holy Eucharist, which Jesus said, His blodd is for the cleansing of our sins. Therefore, our sins are being cleansed on a daily basis "daily sacrifices", when we partake of the Eucharist, as He commanded, until He comes again. That is what Jesus meant when He said His Blood is the New Covenant. Through His blood, in the Eucharist, is the means that He abides in us and cleanses us from our daily sins, until He comes again.
The 2,300-day Prophecy is connected to the 70-Week Prophecy.
If the 70-Week Prophecy connects to the time of Jesus then the 70-Week Prophecy must be years starting in 457BC. If the 70-Week Prophecy is years starting in 457BC then the 2,300-day Prophecy is years starting in 457BC and ending in 1844.
The Bible is clear that something related to the Sanctuary is happening in 1844. The only Sanctuary standing was the Heavenly Sanctuary that Jesus is the High Priest of.
More evidence to consider is that Jesus said that the Abomination of Desolation would be after His time. The power that sets up the Abomination of Desolation is the same power that casts down the place of God's Sanctuary.
Compare Daniel 8:9-12 with Daniel 11:31-37. The Little Horn is the power that cast down the Sanctuary and sets up the Abomination of Desolation that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15-16. Therefore Jesus was speaking of a future event.
@@thatnicekid04 it's right there in Daniel. The 2300 days refers to the time of the END. If you say the 2300 days began in 457 BC, Then that's not referring to the "time of the end". Which is what the Angel told Daniel. ADL, I think counts on all their listeners to just believe them, without reading the Bible for themselves
@@jfarrell2772 the time of the end is anytime after 1798 according to the 1260 day Prophecy of Daniel 12.
1844 is included in the time of the end. The end of the time Prophecy takes us to the time of the end, not the beginning of it.
@@thatnicekid04where do you get that the time of the end is starting in 1798?
@@thatnicekid04if the Angel tells Daniel that the 2300 days refers to the time of the end, how could it start in 457 BC?
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Why you post this twice?
@@AdventDefenseLeague: What is it to you how many times I post my response?
I don't want critics spamming the comments section on my channel, thats what it is to me. You made your point as annoying and irrelevant it is. No need to post it more than once. Ok?
@@AdventDefenseLeague : Don’t worry I’m a critic but I will not spam your page.
@@clarkent61 good
ADL, I'm telling you in sincerity and love, brethren, you and EGW Have gotten the sequence wrong. I've told you at least two other times, and you did not answer my question.
On the Day of Atonement, the High Priest went first and foremost into the Most Holy Place to Cleanse by sprinkling blood on the Mercy Seat. THEN, the High Priest would go into the holy place and make Atonement in the holy place. THEN, he would go back out into the courtyard.
The Bible teaches, Jesus, as our High Priest, went into the Most Holy Place first and foremost to Cleanse us from sin, upon His Ascension. This is what the Bible teaches. Christ already cleansed us from sin, by the time John has the vision in Revelation.
Now, Christ is interceding for us, in the holy place, which is where the altar of incense is.
According to the SDA Doctrine, the sequence is reversed. EGW Says Jesus went into the holy place first, and THEN, in 1844, He went into the Most Holy Place.
This is a reversal of the sequence
Man you follow a pope. How can you say anything to them about following a thief like Ellen?
@@Luke-ch4ex Classic example of how you parrot the false witness of the SDA Church.
We don't follow the Pope, we follow Jesus. The Pope's job is to defend the teachings of Jesus. That is his duty, given by God. But the Bible says, in the end times that "seat" The seat of Peter, will be taken over by the Antichrist, according to Thessalonians. THEN...WILL BE THE CLEANSING OF THE SANCTUARY. You don't understand truth, only the lies that SDAs tell you about the Catholic Church
@@Luke-ch4exAND You didn't even acknowledge my question about the IJ. Because you don't have the answer. Neither does ADL
Because your foundation is Catholic not Christ I reject it. It’s not personal just theological
@@jfarrell2772why did your people destroy more of my people.. then got destroyed in world war2.?. In the 1500s and said it was okay. I am the direct descendant of those people and it's still okay ..and you're going to do it again in the near future. and you don't know it Revelation 17!
The misunderstanding of the Biblical Day of Atonement, has led to the false doctrine of the SDA version of the Day of Atonement and the IJ
I can't listen to this. Their explanation needs challenging. I need to call these people and explain what is right before their eyes but they can't see.
What do you disagree with?
Yes challenge them by Bible verses
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**The Human Will and Divine Judgment: A Perspective**
The concept of human free will is a cornerstone of Protestant theology. Within this framework, the individual is granted the agency to choose whether to follow Christ or to reject His love. This decision is not trivial, for it is the very essence of our earthly existence-a decision that shapes our eternal destiny.
Jesus' Parable of the Sower (Matthew 13:3-9, 18-23) underscores the significance of human receptivity. The seed, representing the word of God, is sown indiscriminately, but its growth is determined by the condition of the soil-symbolic of the human heart. Just as some seeds fall on rocky ground and fail to take root, so too do some souls resist the transformative power of the gospel. The parable implicitly teaches that the soil, or the human heart, must be prepared, cultivated, and ready to receive divine truth for it to bear fruit.
The motif of stones in the Bible further elucidates this idea. Christ is described as the cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20), upon which the church is built. The church, composed of believers, is metaphorically depicted as "living stones" (1 Peter 2:5), each one shaped and fitted into place within the spiritual edifice. This imagery is reminiscent of the construction of Solomon's Temple, where the stones were meticulously hewn and prepared before being brought to the site (1 Kings 6:7). The analogy here suggests that human character must be formed and perfected before one can take their place in God's eternal kingdom.
In the New Testament, particularly in Ephesians 2:19-22, the heavenly sanctuary is portrayed as being built from the saved members of humanity. These "living stones" are not merely passive recipients of salvation but active participants in the divine plan. This process of sanctification-of being shaped, tested, and refined-is central to the Christian experience.
The concept of judgment, as discussed in Scripture, does not necessarily preclude the possibility that this judgment involves human participation. Indeed, humans are called to discern, to choose, and to take a stand. The judgment before Christ's return, often referred to as the Investigative Judgment, can be viewed as a period wherein each individual must decide which side they stand on-whether they align themselves with Christ or with the forces of darkness. The parable of the ten virgins (Matthew 25:1-13) and the separation of the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:31-46) illustrate the stark reality of this choice.
The significance of 1844 in Adventist eschatology, often associated with the beginning of the Investigative Judgment, marks a pivotal moment in human history. From this point onward, humanity has been living in a time of decision, a period in which the final verdict of each soul is being determined. As Ellen G. White linked Daniel 8:14 ("Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed") with Malachi 3:1-3, which speaks of the Lord's coming to His temple and purifying the sons of Levi, we understand that this is a time of purification and decision. It is a time when the worthiness of God and Christ is being acknowledged and upheld by the faithful.
To suggest that humans play a role in this judgment is not to diminish the sovereignty of God, but rather to emphasize the responsibility placed upon each soul. Christ's atoning sacrifice, His infinite selflessness demonstrated on the cross, is the foundation upon which all judgment rests. Yet, the end times herald a final decision-humanity must choose, once and for all, whether to accept this divine gift or to reject it.
**Ramifications of This Perspective**
This interpretation of the Investigative Judgment shifts the focus from a purely divine decree to a collaborative process, where human free will is integral to the outcome. It emphasizes the necessity of personal responsibility and the ongoing process of sanctification. The ramifications of this view are profound, as it underscores the urgency of the present time. The year 1844 is not merely a historical marker but a call to action, urging every individual to make their decision while there is still time.
By understanding judgment as a cooperative endeavor between God and humanity, this perspective also encourages a deeper engagement with one's faith. It calls believers to actively participate in their spiritual formation, recognizing that their choices have eternal consequences. Moreover, it affirms the importance of Christ's role as both Savior and Judge, whose selfless sacrifice demands a response from every soul.
In summary, this perspective on the Investigative Judgment highlights the interplay between divine sovereignty and human agency, urging believers to recognize the critical importance of their decisions in these last days.
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**The Human Will and Divine Judgment: A Perspective**
The concept of human free will is a cornerstone of Protestant theology. Within this framework, the individual is granted the agency to choose whether to follow Christ or to reject His love. This decision is not trivial, for it is the very essence of our earthly existence-a decision that shapes our eternal destiny.
Jesus' Parable of the Sower (Matthew 13:3-9, 18-23) underscores the significance of human receptivity. The seed, representing the word of God, is sown indiscriminately, but its growth is determined by the condition of the soil-symbolic of the human heart. Just as some seeds fall on rocky ground and fail to take root, so too do some souls resist the transformative power of the gospel. The parable implicitly teaches that the soil, or the human heart, must be prepared, cultivated, and ready to receive divine truth for it to bear fruit.
The motif of stones in the Bible further elucidates this idea. Christ is described as the cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20), upon which the church is built. The church, composed of believers, is metaphorically depicted as "living stones" (1 Peter 2:5), each one shaped and fitted into place within the spiritual edifice. This imagery is reminiscent of the construction of Solomon's Temple, where the stones were meticulously hewn and prepared before being brought to the site (1 Kings 6:7). The analogy here suggests that human character must be formed and perfected before one can take their place in God's eternal kingdom.
In the New Testament, particularly in Ephesians 2:19-22, the heavenly sanctuary is portrayed as being built from the saved members of humanity. These "living stones" are not merely passive recipients of salvation but active participants in the divine plan. This process of sanctification-of being shaped, tested, and refined-is central to the Christian experience.
The concept of judgment, as discussed in Scripture, does not necessarily preclude the possibility that this judgment involves human participation. Indeed, humans are called to discern, to choose, and to take a stand. The judgment before Christ's return, often referred to as the Investigative Judgment, can be viewed as a period wherein each individual must decide which side they stand on-whether they align themselves with Christ or with the forces of darkness. The parable of the ten virgins (Matthew 25:1-13) and the separation of the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:31-46) illustrate the stark reality of this choice.
The significance of 1844 in Adventist eschatology, often associated with the beginning of the Investigative Judgment, marks a pivotal moment in human history. From this point onward, humanity has been living in a time of decision, a period in which the final verdict of each soul is being determined. As Ellen G. White linked Daniel 8:14 ("Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed") with Malachi 3:1-3, which speaks of the Lord's coming to His temple and purifying the sons of Levi, we understand that this is a time of purification and decision. It is a time when the worthiness of God and Christ is being acknowledged and upheld by the faithful.
To suggest that humans play a role in this judgment is not to diminish the sovereignty of God, but rather to emphasize the responsibility placed upon each soul. Christ's atoning sacrifice, His infinite selflessness demonstrated on the cross, is the foundation upon which all judgment rests. Yet, the end times herald a final decision-humanity must choose, once and for all, whether to accept this divine gift or to reject it.
**Ramifications of This Perspective**
This interpretation of the Investigative Judgment shifts the focus from a purely divine decree to a collaborative process, where human free will is integral to the outcome. It emphasizes the necessity of personal responsibility and the ongoing process of sanctification. The ramifications of this view are profound, as it underscores the urgency of the present time. The year 1844 is not merely a historical marker but a call to action, urging every individual to make their decision while there is still time.
By understanding judgment as a cooperative endeavor between God and humanity, this perspective also encourages a deeper engagement with one's faith. It calls believers to actively participate in their spiritual formation, recognizing that their choices have eternal consequences. Moreover, it affirms the importance of Christ's role as both Savior and Judge, whose selfless sacrifice demands a response from every soul.
In summary, this perspective on the Investigative Judgment highlights the interplay between divine sovereignty and human agency, urging believers to recognize the critical importance of their decisions in these last days.
RUclips or someone keeps deleting my posts.
ADL you amaze me. You have no fear of Judgement and falling into the hands of God. You have no fear that you will be held accountable for deceiving people.
Time is short. Jesus is coming soon
Titus 1:10-13 tells us to rebuke false doctrine:
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith
Why don't you brothers speak on Dr Fords position?? I think because other adventust will get underwear's ruffled
Do you have a recommendation or link to a video for ADL to respond to?
I don’t think so brother. The Bible and the Bible only is our guide.
The last day of the( building of the sanctuary)!. of Revelation chapter 11 (Day number 220).. when it actually gets built.. day number 221( is the first day of the 2300 )..you just don't know what it represents yet!. 220 + 2,300 is 2520 The 7 years of Daniel 9: 27. ..And halfway through the covenant of Daniel 11:21+22! (The prince of the covenant) of Daniel 9:27.... the daily sacrifice is stopped ..by the king of Daniel 8:23!.. why don't you learn what it really means? You didn't listen to Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:15!
Here you go... This proves the investigative judgement... Jesus said that this woman would rise in the first resurrection and condemn those pharasees . The only way she could do that is if she examined the books...◄ Matthew 12:42 ►
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The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, and now something greater than Solomon is here
John, This actually proves that the IJ is wrong, and that Judgement takes place after the second coming. According to Revelation, the first resurrection are those who are beheaded for the sake of Jesus, by not taking the Mark of the Beast. They will sit on thrones, and judgement will be given to them. This is what Jesus talked about and what the book of Daniel teaches.
There's a difference between Judgement and Jesus searching our hearts. They are not the same
@@jfarrell2772 actually that's not the investigative judgement.. the investigation is being done in heaven by the 24 elders and the holy angels for the just before Jesus comes for his people.. then the saved have to review the record also of the wicked... The books are opened not for Christ but for the citizens of heaven...
@@jfarrell2772 every word we have as spoken is recorded in the heavenly books.. the investigation is to reconcile every one that the judgement was righteous.. a jury of our peers..
@@John-vr5ycplease give the verse that says the judgement that takes place during the 1000 years is to see if the IJ was just? You are taking from the SDA Doctrine. The Bible does not teach that our sins are being cleansed in an IJ that began in 1844. The Bible teaches that our sins were cleansed when Jesus died and rose again.
I agree that Jesus searches our hearts, but that is different than the IJ. The purpose Jesus searches our hearts is to reveal to us what our sins are, so we can repent.
The IJ teaches that Jesus searches our hearts to see if we are worthy of His cleansing blood. It DOES NOT teach that He searches, so that we can repent. With the IJ, There IS NO REPENTANCE, only judgement whether or not you are worthy
@@John-vr5ycshow me the verse that says the 24 elders are judging us right now? If you believe that, then you have to believe that souls are in heaven and know what's going on. The SDAs reject that also
Dr Desmond Ford , was a friend of family. I believe he has a more balanced view on this topic. I'm adventist but don't believe in investigative judgement. I believe there's sanctification process but I think it's a vulnerable dogma.
I would like to know exactly what Desmond Ford said just out of curiosity.
What specific part about the investigative judgment do you find difficult to believe in?
I find Dr Ford’s understanding to be confusing. What is his soteriology? It’s a weird mix of OSAS, Calvinism, and Arminianism. Most Adventists are Arminians. The more I learn the more I lean toward Reformed Arminianism.
Arminianism logically leads to an IJ of some type.
So basically, many of us are asking the wrong questions because we don’t know the starting point. First one needs to clarify their understanding of salvation.
Blessings.
1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing
2 Timothy 4:1
Most of the misunderstanding around the IJ is the issue of atonement. The claim is that somehow the IJ detracts from Christ's work on the cross. That is just simply not true.
ADL, you are not completely honest about the Investigative Judgement? You make it sound or place emphasis that it's about God searching our hearts, when it's deeper than that, whether you know it and are trying to deceive, or you don't know, I'm not sure.
The Investigative Judgement has to do with the Day of Atonement. When the High Priest went into the Most Holy Place, to sprinkle the blood on the Mercy Seat. This action signified the Cleansing of ALL sins of the congregation of Israel. Whereas, the Daily Sacrifices were for the forgiveness of sins, but NOT the cleansing. The Cleansing ONLY happened on The Day of Atonement.
The Investigative Judgement began in 1844, When Jesus, as our High Priest in Heaven went into the Most Holy Place to begin the CLEANSING of Sin, as in the Day of Atonement, According to this SDA Doctrine. This is when Christ searches our hearts and those who truly love Him and obey His Commandments are found to be Cleansed by His blood, in the Most Holy Place. This is the reason it's called the Investigative Judgement. Christ is investing us, in the Most Holy Place and placing a judgement whether those who claim to love Him are true or not.
This IS the big lie. Revelation says, when Jesus ascended into heaven, our sins were cleansed. All throughout the new testament it states, our sins were "cleansed" by the Blood of the Lamb, when Jesus died, resurrected and ascended into heaven.
I ask again, have you no fear of the Lord by teaching this false doctrine? You will be held accountable. Repent, while there's still time
Exegete 2 Cor. 5:10.
You guys dont even see that u guys rationalize everything through ellen white , whould really look into her more , and im a fellow sda hated for my view
Absurd claims
Can you post the time where she was spoken of or quoted once in this video? All I saw was the Bible.
What was the ratio of Ellen White quotes to Bible verses shared in the video?
It's not about being quoted , it's cemented in ur head the way to rationalize the bible , let me gove an example when we read daniel and revelations all we see is how 1844 happened and how that back it all up woth the prophecy of the 3 angels message
Guys, just answer me one thing. when did christ finish his work when did he go to the holies of holies to intercede with us, because the bible doesn't say 1844 and the prophecy of daniel is misinterpreted
Des Ford was your last chance to repent. Now eternal hell is your destiny
Really??? 😂😂😂
@@smangelenondonga1241 you will not post childish emojis when Jesus tell you to depart from him because He doesn’t know you.
@@rayray4192 The fact that you believe people are going to hell because they don't share the same belief as you is baffling to me. And i thought the Bible teaches that people who have not accepted Christ sacrifice on the cross will be the one's who perish ...
@@smangelenondonga1241 you don’t know what I believe. You bear false witness. Adventists go to eternal hell because they are idolators who have fashioned a false Christ, and because they are cursed by God for their false gospel.
@@smangelenondonga1241 When you make assumptions about people who you don’t know you make an ass of yourself. It’s not about a different belief; it’s about being your own God and being in rebellion to God. Christians are humans who have submitted their will to God. That’s the bottom line. Christians have slightly different views on peripheral issues but they are united on the core issues of the Christian faith. Humans are hopelessly lost as narcissistic self absorbed beings who have a sin problem. Jesus died, was buried, rose from a tomb, appeared to his disciples, and many more, and ascended to His Father.
You can embrace Christianity by choice, but you will not because you like sinning. Humans choose to sin and they like to sin.