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Best Subwoofer under $500 for music and movies. RSL Speedwoofer 10s MKII Review.
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
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RSL Speedwoofer 10S MKII: rslspeakers.co...
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Speakers Used:
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Dynaudio Special 40: www.dynaudio.c...
Preamp & Power Amplifiers
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Kinki Studio EX-B7 mono blocks: www.kinki-stud...
Source: Bluesound Node 2i
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(all music is hi-res streamed from Tidal)
DAC: Denafrips Ares II or Venus2
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Speaker & Power Cables: Maze Audio Ref4
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Interconnect Cables:
Analysis Plus Oval One RCA
Oyaide Tunami Terzo XX V2 XLR
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Everyone keeps asking about how it compares to the SB1000 Pro, It's fairly staright forward: I love the SB1000 Pro and it is in fact my favorite SVS subwoofer, it has a ton more features by way of the cell phone app and is much smaller so it's great for anyone with a major space constraint. While both are great subs the RSL being larger will have more output overall. SQ between the two is similar enough. I suggest you choose based on physical dimensions or features if you need them.
Literally was gonna be my question. After the video. What about a used sb2000?
@@EDCAssociate hey bro, that's a tough one, I've never had both subs here at the same time. My memory is a little hazy but I want to say the RSL still has a thicker bottom end because it's ported while the SB2000 Pro had a little more in room extension and a slightly cleaner sound. I really couldn't say with any confidence which one was outright better but if my memory is service me well the SB2000 pro should take the edge. Really take this with a grain of salt though.
So are you saying that this sulfur is not as good as the SPS 1000 Pro? And I believe this would be the subwoofer you and I were discussing previously? I’d like to review a lot thank you for sharing
@@rjzlwop3153 Yes this is the one. No I'm not saying either is better, it's just like it says at the end: I suggest you choose based on physical dimensions or features if you need them.
@@NemoPropaganda thank you very much
I had the best experience with the RSL folks. Fantastic customer service.
Same here. I thought I had a technical issue with my unit and the OWNER of the company called me over the weekend to address my concerns. Turned out to be a non-issue BTW
The owner actually writes emails and has specific recommendations for every customer that inquires. What an awesome business!
Great review as always. I have a MkI and a MKII, also have dual SB2k’s and two lower end Elac 10s for the bedroom, have had some Polk junk.. have listened to many over the years and I will concur there is absolutely nothing that comes close to checking all the boxes: construction, power, depth, control, size and not least, customer service as a RSL. When they did the preorder the website crashed and when I called late in the day they were all sold out. Whomever answered the phone said they anticipated that and put a few away for customers that couldn’t order online. Absolutely stellar.
Out of all reviewers I was hoping to get a review of this new RSL sub from you and you came through. In fact you're the only person to review this so far that I know of. It looks like RSL did it again. Wow! I bought the older model based on your review. This is a great company. It's a crime that they are able to sell these for the price they're going for.
Thank you for the kind words Anthony, I totally agree!
I used to go to their showroom in Canoga Park back in the 80's. They had a couple of sets of JBL's on their wall of sound and in many regards the JBL's sounded better but the RSL's sounded pretty damn good too- especially since they cost much less because you bought them directly from RSL. After that showroom closed I assumed they became extinct like ADS or Boston Acoustics.
@@billmcginley yeah I do believe they did sell the company off to someone else and bought it back from what I heard. But they are an amazing company. I wish I could have seen that showroom.
I wanna add something here about the company. I bought the 10 MKiis when they were brand new models, and one of mine was an early model amplifier wise, and it recently failed. Took about 5 minutes on the phone with an actual person (owner of the company) and a brand new warranty amp will be here in 2 days. Very impressive, no fuss, customer service. This is the kind of company you can trust.
Well I finally took the plunge and just setup my new RSL10sMKII. I had to put in in a corner, but with a really low gain setting, (a pinch off of, off), WOW what a difference. I'm no electrical engineer, but there has to be something about 400W making such an improvement at such a low gain.
Don't just buy for the quality...RSL's customer service is top notch. Joe Rodgers answered my email's promptly, and helped with some mounting solutions for my bookshelves (CG-23's).
Starting out with speakers crossed over at 90hz, and SW a touch over..."Shine on You Crazy Diamond" is sounding magical...what more could a guy ask for?
I owe you a few bones for all your review help...see you next payday!
I have one of these on order. Should receive early next month. I thought I was going to get the SVS SB 1000 Pro.
Never heard of RSL, but somehow ran across their site researching for a nice entry level sub.
I wanted to raise the level of my modest 2 Chanel system. A PS Audio Sprout100 with a pair of Elac UB5’s. I rebuilt a vintage Pioneered turntable and the system sounds pretty good. But as usual, looking for that next level…. It never ends.
Anyway, nice to hear very good reviews on this subwoofer. Thanks for taking the time to review…
have some patience getting it dialed in and I think you'll be happy :)
Dual subs are the way. I have 2 RSL Speedwoofers in my music system. Adding a sub was one of the best sound quality improvements I ever made.
excellent choice!
Love your Camry analogy. Thank you for the review. Nailed it. I just shared your video to my audio related facebook groups.
Much appreciated and glad you enjoyed it!
The Speedwoofer 10S MKII I got a week ago is an awesome sub! If you didn't see the size of it and just listened, you would think it is a larger subwoofer. I am just running it in a 2.1 configuration. I have the Bose Companion desktop speakers (with built in amp) and the Speedwoofer 10S MKII connected to the RCA outputs on the back of a 2017 Vizio 48" TV. I'm very impressed! The A/V Reciever I want is out of stock. Beings it sounds this great with a stock TV, can't wait to here it connected to a high quality reciever! You helped me make a decision to go with this sub. It is everything you said it is! Thanks for doing a detailed review on this Subwoofer! You now have a new subscriber!
thank you for the feedback my bro! I'm glad you're enjoying it :)
so you have rca in and rca out to the powered speakers? is the rca out have passthough WITH crossover or do the speakers still play full range?
@@vilmfilm Using RCA out to the input of the powered Bose desktop speakers that have their own crossover built in. So, Yes full range.
Love your straightforward reviews. Like your style. Tell it like it is. I’ve done a lot of research. So much my friends make fun of me. I came to same conclusion about RSL Speedwoofer. The best VALUE for my money! Plenty of low end w/o breaking one’s budget. I want mine for a dedicated 2.1 music rig. Thanks for honest, no bullshit reviews.
You got it bro, don't get me wrong there certainly is better out there, just not for $449. The next real upgrade is the Rythmik L12 at $629 but that represents a 50% increase to the budget.
@@NemoPropaganda I understand. The title said …under $500. I’m trying to keep it at $500 max for a small bedroom 2.1 channel music only rig I’m putting together. At that price point, RSL Speedwoofer is best quality all around imo. The most “Bang for Buck”!
@@normanham6142 100% agree. RSL is impossible to beat at it's price.
Just like Nemo says and I have stated on AVS forums, this new model has that extra little "throb" that the original didnt. Pretty impressive given the fact that they only charge around 20 bucks more now for more power and lower extension.
Bought a rythmik F12 based on your review! Big upgrade for me! You the man!
oh nice!!! that's on another level compared to this sub. Great choice!!
@@NemoPropaganda emailed rythmik and let them know you're the reason. Thanks for the practical, no bs reviews that is fully for the consumer. My type of content 👍🏼
@@bryanmorgan758 oh you didn't need to do that but I appreciate it! What sub did you have before?
@@NemoPropaganda the Rythmik is my first! Paired with my celestion 7s and sounds incredible!
I passed on a used PB-2000, half because I could not be sure about the unit's abuse history, but also half because I haven't heard anything negative about the Speedwoofers. I prefer the output of a 12" woofer, and if RSL ever gets a 12" to market I would definitely be hopping on the train for one. I'm really looking forward to hearing some really clean punchy bass again. My old 12" has seen much better days, and I've no real use for low frequency extension as it'll be in a 2CH setup.
Thanks for the review, I haven't seen a MkII review pop up before yours. :)
if you don't need the extension a pb2000 would be overkill, it's greatest strength is it's ability to rumble!!! If you're looking for more SQ and don't need gobs of low end extension look at the REL TX range.
13x 19 feet listening area here! Even though I have 2 of them, I’m just auditioning the 10s mkII. And just so you know, this little Beast is freaking impressive! I can’t wait to turn on the second one! Opening scene on Terminator “dark fate” !… don’t care how grumpy you can be, it will definitely put a smile on your face! More to come. Thanks Nemo for the awesome review.
Nice man! The pair should be killer in any room, you certainly can get better subs, not without spending more money though!
I’m excited. I just ordered two on 9/21/22. My plan is to get two more when the next sale comes for a total of four. Hopefully 4 will do the trick. I’m going to put each one a quarter of the total wall distance
excellent choice!
Just picked up my 10S MkII today! Got it barely used for $300. Receiver comes in Wednesday and I can't fucking wait.
congrats! that's a great deal!!
I thank you very much for bringing attention to these.
I just ordered one within minutes of them being purchasable again.
Gonna ship to Germany for $86 and a friend will bring it to my country.
I dont usually buy audio new, because I'm trying to get best value, but this Sub is pretty much too good to be true.
man $86 is a great shipping price too!! good choice brother, enjoy!!
I had been shopping REL but you really have my attention with this sub. Can you speak to the quality of output, especially for musical listening? This seems like it really checks some boxes.
I've been watching your reviews and appreciate your time and effort, you're doing a great job here!
it depends what you value and what your budget is. If you value output & extension then the ported RSL will be the easy choice. If you're not so worried about max output or extension and are instead more focused on having the best fidelity & sound quality then something like the REL T/X range is an easy choice. They're both really good but also very opposite.
I just like listening to you talk. 👍
Thank you for making comparison’s with 2x RSL’s. But now I am curious what 4x would compare too! 😂
you're a mad man and I love it! :D
As of right now, test driving this sucker! Nemo you were right on! This thing is serious! No way you can go wrong with duals. I have the outgoing model as well…but I’m just testing the mkII,… bro! Even if they charge you $700.00 this thing is worth it! I’m loving it!
I'd expect a nicer finish at $700 but I hear ya :)
Ok first of all I want to let you know that you are one of the most articulate, knowledgeable sub woofer reviewers I’ve ever heard of or seen,keep up the great work brother! So here is my question, I do have an RSL Speedwoofer 10s. I also have 2 Velodynes spl 1000 in immaculate condition a little while ago I did a little test at more than reference levels on both Velodynes and they still impressed me, then I turned them off and decided to test the RSL Speedwoofer…. And to be honest I think the RSL Speedwoofer almost kept up with 2 Velodynes spl 1000, like I said these are in immaculate condition. Do you think 2 RSL Speedwoofers would tell me about to forget about the ol skool spl 1000’s? By the way I’m talking about 15 years old subs, but if you know about subwoofers, these little things were the shiet back then. Will definitely appreciate your honest response.
Hey Luis, so the SPL range from Velodyne was good for the time, tons of output in a small package but they were very monotone. Changing the freq knob almost has no impact on the overall sound. The subs tend to make the same sounding bass just at different volumes. Personally I'd buy another speedwoofer and sell the old Velodynes.
I have 2 of them for 5 years now on bass platforms about 16 inches high. They go down to 24 hz are rated for 475 watts & integrate very well using MINI DSP. Total cost of $700.
My buddy's sb-16ultra stomps all over them but at more than twice the cost. I really thought they were garbage @ that price then I went to a LAN party & heard them properly set up.
It's really worth looking into. Highly doubt they beet RSL but they are not bad if you don't overdrive them. Thanks for your efforts sir.
Hey Craig, I feel like I'm missing some context here, I don't know what subwoofer you're referring to?
Another home run review, and home run from RSL! I love that value is winning and driving the industry! The Mk1 is still the easiest integration I've ever dealt with. Sounds like the Mk2 is even better.
Thank you bro!
I'm not sub shopping but am searching for a preamp. Can't wait to hear your comparison of that denafrips sitting on top there compared to the kinki pre
The denafrips review is a bit far away but it will be done :)
Awesome bro I was hoping you'd review one of these. I only heard the original but it integrated better than any ported subwoofer I've ever heard, I did have 2 though. I really enjoyed the sound I just wanted it to dig a bit deeper. I imagine the MK2 is an awesome sub.
if you still have them make sure the phase is perfect! That will make a big difference in how deep they dig but at the end of the day they're not that big so you might just need bigger! :D
@@NemoPropaganda I have 2 original Predators now. 😁
@@Slickman2006 ah, that is a substantial difference :)
found one of these new in box on craigslist for $300. coming from a Dayton 800 I got for $80, oh my god. what a great upgrade
wooo, that's a massive upgrade!
Thanks for the content! I've been doing some searching, at first was gonna go with an SVS sub and than found your review on the REL and that seemed like the perfect subs for me, the HT 1003 or 1205. I'm glad I found RSL, I'm heavier into music than home theater, the price is icing on the cake. Can't wait to see them back in stock. Also very curious how will it pair with Klipsch's The Fives, juicy.
I have not heard the Fives so I couldn't really say. But I'm guessing it'll be great!
I got mine connected wirelessly, very convenient when trying to integrate. Still working on getting it seamless. Small room 10x12. Considering getting another just to save me the headache.
Only problem I'm having is that the sub doesn't shut off when using wirelessly.
I'd email RSL about that and see what they say.
That shouldn't happen....what's your source unit ? All 3 of mine shut down after around 15 minutes of inactivity.
It's connected to my Earmen Tradutto DAC.
@@kevinusta7534 If you have a multimeter, check the output jacks for voltage after the unit has been shut off for say, 15 to 30 minutes.
So I finally got around to reaching out to RSL. Apparently this is normal..
Per RSL. Since it's a class D amp, the power consumption is nominal.
The amp stays warm, so I prefer to keep it off.
Your 100% right and keep up the great job! 😎👍
How does it compare to the SVS PB-1000? Seems to be at a similar price, but also considerably larger
Hey bro. I have not heard pb1000 but I expect pb1000 to play louder with a larger sense of scale due to its larger size. Just a guess though.
Much anticipated review Nemo and first I've seen of it! Love how 1uick and to the point you are getting to the meat and potatoes! Do wish the comparisons we're a little better like maybe throw and SVS or more detailed comparison to the L12. I also wanted to hear if the rear port had any issues close to the wall? A rear port is pretty odd to see in subwoofers. Looking forward to your thoughts!
Rythmik L12 is a big upgrade over the Speedwoofer in terms of SQ & nuance detail. The sb1000 pro has a ton more features so if that matters to you that might be worth the extra $160 but the RSL is a little larger and a ported 10" outperforms the smaller sealed 12" in this particular comparison. The RSL is hard to beat.
Always dig your honesty and frankness - no bullshit with you b - that's appreciated big time.
Quick question - since the port is on the rear, placement becomes an issue, so how far from the wall to keep it from becoming muddy?
Thanks again Nano!
Hey brother, thank you! It's going to depend on the room a lot, I pushed it as far back as I could and in my room it never got muddy unless I had the crossover & gain up too high. Of course very affordable subwoofers like this really have to be setup perfectly to sound their best.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for the tip - gonna try to order one up right now my brother.
So happy you reviewed this, Nemo! I've had mine about a month so far. It's almost too much output for my tiny apartment. We talked previously about the R100 vs. R200 and you recommended the 200. Well, I threw caution (and wallet) to the wind and ordered R700s that arrive in 2 weeks. I read the R700s come close to full range, so I'm curious to see if I feel the need to keep the Speedwoofer after some A/B testing.
P.S. I almost went with the SVS SB-1000 Pro over the MKII, as it seemed to be the common recommendation for a mid-tier sub, although they recently bumped the price to $600. How do you feel the MKII compares to the SVS, Nemo? Thanks for the honest and straightforward review.
I love the SB1000 Pro, it has a lot of features and it's great if that's what matters to you. It is also much smaller than the RSL so while both are great subs the RSL will have more output overall.
Well I think I’m sold on getting another Rsl Speedwoofer (new version) since I have the 10s for 2 years with no issues whatsoever, I love this little guy. My question is, since you mentioned that cabinet,driver and sound quality is pretty good, How much this subwoofer is worth? To be honest I’m going to put it around $700.00 bucks based on reviews and my own experience. Oh by the way, hope the folks at RSL won’t consider this comment,cause I want to get my 2nd one at the same price it is now…lol
ahahaha, for what it's worth a long time ago they told me they are very happy with the price and don't want to raise it. They're honestly really good people over there.
How about the Monoprice THX 10? The monoprice is $150 more so about the same price. Thanks for a great review!
Sorry I have not heard monoprice. Next upgrade from here would be Rythmik L12.
Hello from Nigeria again. You're the best. You endorse it, I'm buying it.
Hope you enjoy it!
I upgraded from an AudioEngine S8, to this Speedwoofer MKii, and it's way better, and it hits good enough for my desk top setup They're plenty loud, plenty deep, and look nice too. I'm a bass head, and listen to mostly hip hop, 70s rock, and Mexican Corridos, and this great for all of those generes. I also own two PB3000s too, and they sound much louder, deeper, and cleaner, but obviously the price, but if I were to redue my purchases I would've just gotten two of these and that would've been more than enough for my space. I still wish (Persuit of the perfect system never stops) would've tried a REL and Rythmik, but buying and returning just seemed like too much hassel and just stuck with the RSL.
oh yeah man, that's a huge upgrade, I'm happ you like it :)
I’m having a hard time picking a new sub. The rsl is very tempting. Everyone raves. The only thing that worries me is that I’m usually a sealed subwoofer guy. It will be strictly for music. I’m down to 2 of the rsl or one rhythmic. I would love how articulate a rhythmic would be, but dual subs would give a better imaging. Tough decision. Thoughts????
hmmm, I understand your position, before I give my thoughts I'm curious, why are you considering vented subs now if you normally prefer sealed? Are you looking to change something?
I was anticipating a comparison to a Rel Tzero MK III, considering the price similarity. Especially since you said such good things about this Rel and how it brought out so much more bass detail in other speakers that already had pretty good bass.
Nemo, can you comment now?
Hi Jerry, I think you should watch my Tzero review again, it should be pretty clear why I did not make the comparison. The Tzero isn't really a subwoofer in the traditional sense. It's a 6.5" driver that slightly thickens the sound and helps bring out some nuance detail. The Speedwoofer is a proper subwoofer capable of shaking your windows. The two cannot be compared to eachother. Even 2 Tzero cannot compete with 1 speedwoofer.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for the clarification.
I went a whole different direction with 4 of my subs. I bought car subs and crown amps. two 10s and two 12s and two crown amps. sounds incredible for the money. That RSL looks pretty cool though I must admit
Nice dude! I hope you didn't use a ported car audio enclosure, the port tuning frequency in car audio is very different than home theater.
@@NemoPropaganda I used a paradigm 12" box that I bought for $10 with a blown amp and sub. I already had another 12" box from an old home sub.
The two 10s are in a car audio box tuned to 30hz. The two 12s and two 10s shake my living. Not an idea setup but man they sound so good.
@@jorgem50 nice, 30hz ain't too bad!
Appreciate your reviews dawg Thoughts on MKii vs a SB 2000 non pro version for $500? The SVS Subs got 500 watts.
I have not heard the non-pro SB2000.
I'd spend another $150 and get the HSU VTF-2 MK5... But for $500 or less, this is indeed the best. The BIC America Acoustech PL-200 II, comes right after this
the hsu is $190 more but yeah you can always spend more and get more, personally I think the next upgrade from here is the Rythmik L12. BIC... ugh, that's kinda just swap meat junk in my eyes.
@@NemoPropaganda review the BICs I guarantee they'll shock you and you might recommend them.... They were designed by Dr. Hsu
@@JamaicaSocial I don't know anything about Hsu besdies the fact that they don't respond to my emails so that doesn't really help.
Does it us CLASS D Power?
yes.
Speedwoofer 10mkii or Rythmik L12? Which way would you go? Small room, to be paired with Polk R200.
if you have the extra budget for sure the L12 all day long!
Hmmmmm, RSL Speedwoofer . . . REO Speedwagon . . . coincidence??? :)
Excellent tip, thank you! Didn’t even know these existed. Nemo for the win!
thanks Carl.
I'm a Real fan, but I loved your review. Would you go with REL T9 vs RSV 12" bass system for large bedroom. 80%TV and 20% for music. Klipsch Chorus speakers and Yamaha 450
RSL 12s is roughly 5x the size of the T9x, if you don't mind a sub that big for a bedroom I say go for it.
I have a SW MkII and I really like it. Very musical. Thinking about adding a second one. My question is… how do you feel about a sub behind a large chair at right angles in a corner? Since it is non-directional would it make a difference, other than needing to increase the gain? Great review, BTW.
A few guys in my discord have their dual subs setup like that, I've never done it but feel free to hop in there and ask, link is in the description of most of my vids.
Just wanted to say, Emotiva has new subwoofers from 8" to 15" coming out. They're calling it the XS series, so hopefully it's a more affordable variation of the RS line. Please get one for review, however you can! I'm in the market for a sub but may wait to see how they perform. Although I don't think they've said anything about a release date. They just unveiled them at the Schiit/Emotiva Texas Round Up event they had(well, it's actually going on today, 7/23, also).
Now that has me EXCITED!!!!!!!!!
Between rhythmik l12, speedwoofer 10s or rel t7x...music only with wharfedalr libtons. Thoughts?
the FAQ section of my free discord has all your answers: discord.gg/nemopropaganda
Thanks for a great review. You mentioned Emotiva se8 but you've also spent a lot of time with the se12, can you offer a comparison between se12 and 10smkii? And the important question, two se12 or one 10smkii?.
I love Emotiva and the SE12 is good option for anyone who doesn't want to wait for an RSL to be back in stock but if both are in stock the RSL is the better option. Its bass is stronger & cleaner sounding overall.
@@NemoPropaganda ok great, thanks!
Good review bro. I was contemplating on upgrading from the old.model.to this one .
mmmm, I wouldn't do that, while this is an upgrade it may not feel like a big enough upgrade for you.
I appreciate the honesty brother . Keep up the great work on the channel 👏
@@anthonyalvarado1635 anytime man, the next upgrade from the Speedwoofer is the Rythmik L12 in terms of sound quality.
Thanks Nemo for another great review. How does it compare to the REL HT 1003? Both 10" and seems great for HT. The REL is only $100 more MSRP on sale right now @ $549. If it was your money, which would you buy if you can only choose 1?
I have not heard the 1003, only the 1205. Vs the 1205 the ported RSL has a more pronounced bottom end and should have more output overall, that's no surprise as a ported 10" generally can outperform a sealed 12" all things being equal. The RSL is the easy choice if output & extension are primary concerns (theater) on the music side of things the the lighter weight moving mass and fast filter set of the 1205 will make it an easy recommendation as it can blend in with damn near anything and integrate amazingly well.
RSL speedwoofer 12S coming out this month. big ole honking sub so not sure about the size and packaging compared to 10S mk2. The 10 is a pretty sweet price in comparison.
oh yeah, it's looking pretty monstrous!
Great review I had missed watching! Got me intrigued and I have a question for you: I replaced a B&W ASW608 sub with a REL T5x. difference is huge and I love the integration of the REL to my system, the speed and texture the bass has! All awesome, but I have a serious issue with the REL. The transformer is noisy and I am able to hear it even 9ft away!! Drives me nuts! hearing that very faint "humm" in my bedroom convinced me I need to get rid of it! By the way, REL changed the transformer for a new one but I still can hear the "humm". Do you think this RSL would be a good option? or does the Rythmik L12 would be a noticeable improvement? or any other suggestion under $800? It would be used exclusively for music in a bedroom setting. Definitely more interested in quality of the bass than quantity. The speakers are a pair of KEF LS50 meta and the amp is a cambridge CXA81. As always, THANKS!
No this RSL would not be a good option, while its very good and capable of a lot more bass output and extension than the t5x the sound quality difference is too far away from the T5X. Hmm, that's unfortunate that you're experiencing transformer hum, if the plate amp has been replaced and its still doing it theres a good chance its something in the home electricity or your sound system. Your high level cable isn't all coiled up is it? Have you tried swapping to low level to see if that makes any difference or disconnecting signal all together? If you disconnect all signal and it still does it then try a different power outlet, try a different room, try using a power strip, etc... this will help isolate what the problem actually is. Anyhow I digress. The L12 will be on par in terms of sound quality and is a very reasonable alternative that will offer up tremendously more extension.
@@NemoPropaganda Hey thanks so much for your prompt response! a-p-p-r-e-c-i-a-t-e it!! tried absolutely everything as I love the T5x! different outlets, different rooms, power strip, have been in touch with REL customer support (great customer support by the way) and they changed the transformer but informed me the REL T models do have a tiny bit of noise coming from the transformers. For me, it's unacceptable... it's just too loud. should be dead silent. will check the L12 as I've really given up on the Rel.
@@themastroiannis that's a bummer but I understand, mine hums ever so slightly but I can only hear it when I'm up against the subwoofer making adjustments to it and my ear is like 1ft away but I also have a fairly well damped room. The L12 is the cheapest sub that has similar SQ, I think you'll like it a lot.
Great Review,. Against SVS 1000 or 2000?
I love the SB1000 Pro, it has a lot of features and it's great if that's what matters to you. It is also much smaller than the RSL so while both are great subs the RSL will have more output overall.
How about against SB2000 Pro?
Nice review sir. I am surprised you didn't mention the BIC AMERICA F12. At $300 it does really well. I hope you can get 1 in for review.
The BIC F12 only has 150 watts rms and doesn't list a proper extension spec, it cannot compete with the RSL Speedwoofer 10s MKII.
looks like the Bic marketing department is active in these comments
@@Lou-li3lb god I hope not, that would be so shady!
@@NemoPropaganda 😂
Nice video. I have the older model SpeedWoofer and I am happy with it. How do these compare to the SVS Micro 3000?
Micro 3000 is about having big bass in a small package, if you have a space limitation or just want a really small sub then go for Micro 3000, otherwise a bigger sub like the RSL or even SVS's own SB1000 will have more output.
Hey Nemo! I was finally able to order one today, last time I tried they were all gone… anyways I’m very excited. The question is “Will I have any issues pairing the new 10smk2 with the outgoing model? Btw, my Velodynes spl 10s are going to a nice shock proof box. Lol . Any answer will be greatly appreciated.
mmm, hard to say bro as I did not have both MK1 and MK2 at the same time, you might need slightly different phase settings but you might not. Setting up dual subs is highly room dependant.
Great video. Thanks!
How it stands again the Rythmik L12 sub for SQ in music?
I know the L12 is more expensive, but not much.
L12 has a lot better sound quality overall.
Try the BIC PL200 II, has a sledge amp. Best bang for your buck Subwoofer. Going to be more of an SPL sub but not bad for music.
looks to be bash powered with 250w RMS, I don't think it can compete with the speedwoofer.
I've ordered a 10S MK2, but the shipping would be about $100. If I calculate the VAT on top of that, which I have to pay for importing it, I'd be at around $630. At that price point, would I be better advised to get a $600-650 sub that is locally available? If so, are there any that you'd recommend?
I've tested the SVS SB-1000 and PB-1000. The while the SB I don't like soundwise, the PB are just too large.
it's hard to say, I don't know what's locally available to you but if you didn't like SB1000 Pro I'm not sure you will like the Speedwoofer either. You may want to consider something drastically different like a REL T5X.
The cabinet has a slot opening, but it is more accurately called a mass loaded transmission line. Which is why it has better qualities than most ported subs.
I don't mean to be that guy but this is not a mass loaded transmission line. T-line enclosures are much larger, the air mass acts as the spring (like a sealed enclosure) and the low end roll off is 12dB (like a sealed enclosure). What we have here is a a slot shaped port tuned to whatever RSL decided (maybe 26hz or so) with your typical 24dB low end roll off and the port loading acting as the spring.
@@NemoPropaganda It is not a "classic" TL, to be sure, but the diagonal baffle inside, it is a variation on a "new style" TL. The driver is located about 1/3rd of the way away from the closed end (the triangular space near the driver) and then there is the second triangular space the begins the open end of the TL, and then the fairly long slot that is the terminus opening. These are definitely not "just" a ported design.
The added mass of the moving air in the open end of the TL *lowers* the fundamental frequency of the system, and since the air in this part of the cabinet is moving in *unison* with the driver - it does not act as a spring. Only the air in the closed end does this.
I have designed MLTL speakers, and the "new" style designs are able to be be smaller than the old school type. They have lower distortion, as well. What goes on with these designs is far more complex than meets the eye. The distance on the outside of the cabinet, from the center of the woofer, to the center of the terminus opening causes cancellations of a series of harmonic spikes, and when done correctly, the total output of the system is quite smooth, and the output of the terminus opening is in phase with the driver.
All the volumes and dimensions of the spaces on the inside are important. In particular, the volume of the last section inside the slot allows the tuning frequency to be pushed lower than the Fs of the driver - which is not the case with typical ported designs - and certainly not with sealed designs.
@@NeilBlanchard interesting, I will admit my experience with T-Line is very limited and I have not read up on the topic in a long time. I do know cabinet design can be fairly complex and can have a huge impact on the sound. Thank you for sharing that.
@@NemoPropaganda I use a program called Hornresp, which has been refined and improved for decades. You put in the full Thiele/Small parameters for your driver, and input the areas at the key sections, and the distance at the centerline between them. Hornresp is doing calculations at all frequencies between 0-1000Hz - many thousands of not millions of calculations to produce the predicted response. It includes the path distance on the outside of the cabinet between the center of the woofer and the center of the terminus opening, and it has an accurate model of polyfil, as well.
It can tell you the velocity of air at the terminus opening, and cone excursion.
The key innovation in the new design is, as I mentioned - moving the woofer from the closed end, to about 1/3rd the way away from the closed end. This can essentially eliminate the strong dips that were almost always present in the old designs.
And tapering the section down smaller than the driver Sd has the effect of making the TL act a lot longer. This is the mass loading - the cone is acting a lot like an open baffle at higher frequencies, but it progressively adds mass as the frequency drops. The results are much better than it would seem possible.
Since the terminus opening is outputting a range of frequencies, and the slope can be controlled, when you get the room lift, you can avoid "room boom" and get lower extension, as well.
@@NeilBlanchard well I certainly seem to learn something new everyday, thank you for explaining all that.
Great video! I have a question how would this pair up with my Klipsch RP600M? I'm concerned the 400w would over power them.
it doesn't really work that way. Your speakers don't know how many watts your subwoofer has, you'll be fine.
I just picked up a SVS SB2000 for $500 that is arriving tomorrow and now I come across this video and feeling FOMO haha. Thoughts? I listen to both music and watch movies.
I never heard the SB2000, only the pro model but my understanding is they sound the same just the pro gets a cell phone app. Anyway, the sb2000 is a solid deal at $500, I wouldn't worry about it.
Great lil sub. Not gonna lie…really strong value proposition here
Captain obvious
Great review sir. Looks nice (to me) except I don't like the "Speedwoofer" label across the front. Picky, I know.
ahahaha, little picky but it's okay, I'm picky too :)
Nice review Nemo but I was expecting you compare this to SVS sb-1000, as it's in same price category (∼$450)... How do they compare? On paper - extension is same and value proposition too
extension may be the same but output at those extensions is very different. The RSL should take the easy win. The SB1000 is a great sub but it is much smaller overall.
FYI the SVS is $600 so 33% more money. If you’re in that range, based upon Nemo’s other comments, you may think about the Rhythmik L12 for $650
@@ryanw8664 i think he's talking about the older non-pro sb1000 sold on amazon.
@@NemoPropaganda Ah, I didn't realize there was such a thing. Here I am, new to this hobby, acting like a know things, ha! I'm actually curious about the L12, since you mentioned in other comments that it's in another league than the Speedwoofer. What would one gain by jumping from the MKII to the L12?
@@ryanw8664 the l12 will have better sound quality overall with better handling of nuance detail & delicate passages though I have a sneaking suspicion the Speedwoofer may play louder at maximum volume since it's ported and the L12 is sealed but I have no way to confirm that as the L12 is no longer here.
Nice review.
Given the size isn’t that much larger than Kef 62 and price 8s much lower, is there any reason not to buy this vs the kef?
Thanks
tons of reasons, maybe you want a tiny sub, maybe the money is inconsequential to you, the KC62 extends lower but only at lower volumes. Or maybe like me you plan to put it on top of a media console. The RSL would look rather funny atop a media console :).
I have 3 Speedwoofers now...2 MK1's and 1 MK2....couldn't do better for around 1200 bucks.
that sounds epic
Thanks for your review! I'm looking for a good sub for music, how do these compare to the REL TX series or from which price point do you think you can get a better sounding sub? (for music)
Speedwoofer has more output and extension than any of the T/X subs but all the T/X subs have better bass fidelity overall by a fair amount. As far as the next logical upgrade from the RSL it would easily be the Rythmik L12 which brings more bass fidelity to the table.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you for this information, unfortunately because I live in Belgium it is difficult to obtain Rythmik subwoofers. I find the DIY kits from Rythmik particularly interesting though. (also big thanks for your RUclips content)
speedwoofer or open boxed svs pb1000pro for same price, which one would u recommend?
PB1000 pro is a good bit larger and should take the edge in terms of output and extension for theater. If it's for a theater only I'd lean pb1000, mixed use or music only RSL for sure.
@@NemoPropaganda thankyou. ive just made purchase on a pristine pb13 ultra for same price as brand new pb1000 pro.
delivery in 2 days, hopefully ive made right decision. looking on utube could only find 1 review, any thoughts?
@@navkang7606 I never heard the old PB13 Ultra but Jay's friend Thujan had one and when I talked to him about it he said it had incredible output!!!
@@NemoPropaganda your a star. keep up the good work.
Been loving the reviews... appreciate what you do. I'm comparing R100's, Denton 80th's and DBR 62's at the moment and would like a sub to match. Wondering if you wouldn't mind imparting some advice? Looking for a SQ, that offers a little thump but won't pound the house down. Something with a fast tight sound over boomy. Main focus is music, not really interested in home theater. I was sold on the B&W ASW608 after watching your vid, but then read your comments and saw the recommendations for newer products... so figure I would ask you instead of guess. Smaller is better, but not opposed to any suggestions under $500. I kind of feel a sub like the Emotiva SE8 would fit the bill more so than the RSL, but I have no reference since this is my first real sub... could also be way off and the RSL might be the perfect sub :)
I think you will be happy with the SE8, it has a little more fidelity in it than the RSL but the RSL can extend much lower and play louder. SE8 stops right around 30hz, if you want more extension and even better SQ you'll have to step up to something like the Rythmik L12.
@@NemoPropaganda Really appreciate it. The RSL just seemed like overkill for what I think I'm looking for, even though I love a great value. Any other options you would recommend for SQ, over the SE8 (or is that basically the best in its class)? A used Rel HT1003 possibly?
@@colinchang1543 ASW8/10 have a little better bass fidelity but the they've been in production for something like 14 years so buying used runs the risk of buying 10+ year old electronics, personally that's too old for me. As long as you're okay with the limitations of a small sub like the SE8 (extension below 30hz non existant) I think it's pretty darn good for the money and I'm not sure theres better out there, especially since its 10% off right now so about $300 flat. I say go for it!
@@NemoPropagandaThank you so much for taking the time out to help. Good call on the used B&W's. Yeah, hard to pass up the discount on the SE8... think it'll be the one. Thanks again :)
@@colinchang1543 do it! treat yourself! you deserve it :)
I'm referring to the BIC AMERICA F12. There are a ton of reviews for it on RUclips but your insight with subs might give a more polished & useful opinion.
oh okay, please reply to the previous comment bro or I get mixed up with all the comments :). The BIC F12 is not a 475w sub though, it's got 150w rms, that's it. The rest is marketing bullshit. They also don't list roll off frequency context.
They are either making pennies or taking a loss on this product! As a guy who does a lot of DIY in audio, electronics, speakers, and subwoofers, I do not think that I could make a DIY subwoofer that would make any major improvements on this product for the same price. That, plus you get customer service from RSL which is top notch, and a professional finish on the product.
Just the parts for a sub like this:
Comparable plate amp: 200.00
Driver: 160.00
Enclosure materials: 80.00
That already puts you at the cost that they are charging, then you have to factor that they are shipping it to you, providing customer service, providing their expertise and designing the product, paying someone to manufacture it. I know that they are getting their parts for cheaper than I can get my parts, but it is still an absolutely ridiculous value.
oh yeah, without the economy of scale it would be rather difficult to build one on your own around the same price, and that's assuming you have all the tools, glue, finishing materials etc...
I swear you spend more of my money than anyone else. Turns out emailing is very effective, I have 2 on the way and you can't get em on the main page lol. I picked these over the REL HTs. I have to try this monster 10. For my near field setup. Emotiva 8's get set aside now.
That's gonna be a great upgrade!!
@@NemoPropaganda yeah, and the two were damn near the price of one REL 1205!
Love ur vids. 1 t9x or 2 rsl speedwoofer 10's for 2 channel use?
I'd easily rather have 1 T9X though the pair of speedwoofers is capable of a lot more output and extension.
HI
great review as always
do you think this sub will be good for ls50 meta ,only for 2 Chanel music ?
or sealed box is better choice ?
At this price nothing is better. There is better bass quality available but you'd have to spend more like the Rythmik L12. REL 1003 MK2 is also a very nice option if you want something more compact.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks you 🔥
Last question what about polk audio hts 10 only for music...
@@820SHAY thats really a theater only sub in my opinion.
Folks at Rythmik tell me you are reviewing a G22 sub. I am interested to see how this would compare to the E22 for a large room with some Klipsch La Scala speakers for music only. These would fit my budget better than the REL 212.
Yes sir! Review is going live this Sunday! I have not heard the E22 but they should be nearly identical with form factor being the biggest difference. I think you will find the review very helpful in choosing the right Rythmik sub as that is a topic I tackle in the video!
Another great review. Thank you!
I have a question for you on the MKII (I apologize if you already addressed this-I didn't see it). The MKII seems to have a new LFE DSP mode. When you set the crossover to LFE (knob switched ccw), the DSP increases low range gain and extends bass. With LFE switched off, the MKII is supposed to behave more like its predecessor in so-called "music mode." And if you low pass from your preamp, you just max the cutoff frequency on the sub. for "music mode," i.e. LFE switch off on sub.
My question is did you compare these two modes at all? And would the "LFE mode" only be appropriate for HT? I'm mostly interested in stereo music listening and 2.1ch TV watching. I have an Emotiva USP-1 preamp and was thinking of using its bass management to blend Arendall 1961 bookshelf speakers with the Speedwoofer, since MKII is just within my budget (if I can get my hands on one!). Then I start thinking to myself, maybe I should wait and save up for a Rythmik L12. Cheers!
my preamp doesn't have any bass management so if I set any sub to LFE it just plays full range so I I was not able to test that. I do also use my system like you for music and 2.1 TV. With the arendal 1961 you will need to blend high and the L12 has a much better midbass region than the 10s so I do suggest saving a few more shillings and going for the L12 instead.
@@NemoPropaganda Makes sense. I was thinking a sealed servo is going to do better with these little speakers. Should be a sweet mashup though. Thanks, man!
I really love your reviews, and they have really helped me narrow down my choices for a HT/Music sub. I mostly use my current sub for movies 60% with about 40% for music. I'm in a fairly small room, approx 10' x 15' with sloped ceilings on front and back wall. I prefer articulate bass but I do like to "feel" .1 soundtrack of movies. Between the RSL Speedwoofer 10S MK2 and the REL HT/1205 (v. 1), is there one you would recommend over the other?
Hi Ron, thank you for the kind words, what sub are you using now?
@@NemoPropaganda A crappy BIC F12 that was purchased a few years ago. Truly terrible!
@@rong.5004 oh god, yeah okay so its like this: Speedwoofer is not the final word in bass fidelity but perfectly serviceable at its price point and offers up serious output/extension for the money. The old 1205 V1 is gonna give you better sound quality overall but can't match the speedwoofers output. Since you're mostly on the theater side of things I'd lean towards the RSL because it's sound quality is good for the money and its output is great for the money. If you want the best of both worlds you'll have to dig a little deeper into the pockets and go for something like the Rythmik LV12M which is going to be larger than the speedwoofer and +$280 more. If you can swing it buy once cry once. You won't regret it. If the RSL is at the top of your budget though it's literally the best sub under $500 and can't go wrong.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you so much. I'm gonna save a while longer and go for the Rythmik LV12M. I really appreciate your help here. It makes a difference when you have a trusted reviewers opinion to give some guidance.
@@rong.5004 anytime bro, the mod in my discord has a pair of lv12m and posted a review if you want to check it out its a free server: discord.gg/nemopropaganda
Is the Rythmik LV12M worth the extra $250 over the RSL 10s MKII? I have the 10s on the way and doubting my decision. Can afford $700, but was able to convince my wife $450 was a good deal 😂 Using for 50% movies, 40% music, 10% games.
Each one is a leader at its price. A couple hundred bucks may not seem like a big jump but the LV12M costs 55% more money, that’s a big jump, as is the performance.
Why not a 10 inch and a 12 or 15 inch? Would they not compliment eachother?
Sorry bro I don't understand the question, can you please ask a different way?
3:10 cracked me the hell up lol
omg you watched one of my vids lol!!!
@@NemoPropaganda yes sir!
no BIC PL-300? pretty sure it was out at the time of this video. its a little better than the RSL the lower it goes. above 60hz, it starts to fall off, but its not meant to play those freqs by design.
You work there huh?
@@NemoPropaganda no, but you could read the audioholics review instead of being a snarky asshole and releasing useless videos without any kind of actual measurements whatsoever.
I have a small 13x13 room for dedicated for music only. Would pick 2 rsl 10mk2 or 2 svs sb3000
music only? Keep in mind all subwoofers have a sweet spot, if you have them turned down too low because the room is too small for them it's like driving a sports car at 5mph. Theater doesn't have this problem because their dynamic swings are much more extreme. With that said I would not run dual SB3000 in that room, those subs sounds best at louder volumes. Vented subs on the other hand tend to have a wider sweet spot and are happier at a wider range of volumes so the RSL 10s would get my vote however if you have dual SB3000 money why not get a pair of Rythmik FM8 or REL T7X or on the cheaper side REL 1003 MK2? Personally I'd want a pair of smaller subs in that room since positioning will be so important.
I don't see much comparison to Klipsch ref 12" but are about same price and with a larger cone. Thoughts??
most of the under $500 subs are fine values when they go on sale, great for entry level home theater or in regions where RSL is not available but the RSL brings a level of sound quality to the under $500 category that most subs are missing.
GreatVid.
What about the SVS in this price range?
I love the SB1000 Pro, it has a lot of features and it's great if that's what matters to you. It is also much smaller than the RSL so while both are great subs the RSL will have more output overall.
Is it fair to say that, considering the law of diminishing returns, this is the most optimal sub purchase for the non-audiophile?
in a way yes but that's more of a value question which can be very personal. If you can easily afford the more expensive Rythmik L12 even non-audiophiles will hear a difference but if $450 is the top of your budget you literally cannot do any better than the speedwoofer.
I was comparing this to the rel t7x or t9x. I've been thinking about running it hi level directly to my center to make that channel full range, no Lfe connection. I have other subs for that. Which one would you guys choose?
for center channel? T7X would get my vote, of course it may be a good idea to contact REL with your room size and related equipment to see what they think.
Hmm wondering if these would pair well plug and play into my SVS Prime Pro.
I'm sure it would!
I have an RSL Speedwoofer 10s MKI and the Klipsch R112SW my main speaker are Kef R11.
What would be better to add a Speedwoofer 10s MKII and take out the R112SW and at some point have four RSL Speedwooofer. Or would an SVS SB16 Ultra would be better for movies and music. At some point have two SVS SB16? Is it okay mix the new Speedwoofer with my old speedwoofer?
My room dimensions are 20'x19' ceiling height is 18'
Hi Terry, I didn't demo the speedwoofer mk1 and mk2 at the same time so I recommend asking RSL how they mix, I'm guessing the port orientation difference would require slightly difference phase adjustments but that shouldn't be too hard a problem to solve. As far as grabbing an SB16 instead, I've only heard one in a dealer show room so I can't really comment on that, maybe someone in the discord could answer, its free if you want to hop in there.
sorry if this was discussed already. Which one? 10s or REL HT1205 or Rythmik L12? Much appreciated
that's a bit more of an in depth question and I can't answer that without knowing your goals so this would require a lot of back and fourth which is why this channel has a free discord, I'd hop in there so we can help you get the right sub. Link is in the description.
What are your thoughts about these RSL Mk II's compared to the SVS Micro or a REL t5x to pair with planar speakers?
The RSL is much larger than those subwoofers, I wouldn't bring them up in the same conversation. If you need extremely fast bass you want to look at REL, Rythmik, or JL Audio.
For 2 ch music mainly rig (80% music/20% HT) and with current sale REL HT1205 v1 is same price of $450, would you get two REL 1205 or two RSL 10s MKII? Or pay a bit more and get two Rythmik L12? Thanks
the 1205 V1 is better for music than the RSL, between the 1205 V1 and the L12 the L12 is better, only you can decide if the L12 is wroth more money vs the savings the of the 1205 V1.
Been waiting for this one, my only query is why they put the port on the back?
I didn't ask them but I'm sure RSL will be happy to answer the question if you email them :)
I know it's not an apples to apples comparison, but would you take the sb2000 pro or rsl speedwoofer? I'm about 70/30 music and home theater.
In a mixed system the cell phone app of the SVS would make it really easy to switch between music/movie settings so it always sounds its best and thats a huge plus but then again you can also have a pair of Speedwoofers for that price so its a tough call. Personally I'd grab a Rythmik F12-400 if I was shopping that price range.
You mentioned the Rythmik L12 is the next step up for the Speedwoofer 10s MKII. I'm guessing it's because of the sound quality. If I mostly listen to music from RUclips and RUclips Music, does it matter that much? The subwoofer will be connected to Klipsch the Fives in a 16 x 15 bedroom. I don't have hi-fi audio source. Thanks.
Hi Kevin, I think the difference will still be noticeable but if $450 is the most you want to spend on a sub the Speedwoofer is amazing.
Ok perfect, that answers my question. I have an L12 and I like it. I guess I should save money for the F12.
How would you compare this to the rythmik l12 and which is best for mostly music? It's for a smaller room and I'm looking for more sound quality.
The L12 is the next step up. If you can afford it for sure get the L12 instead.