RSL Speedwoofer 10S MKII: Best Subwoofer Under $500?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- The tremendously popular RSL Speedwoofer 10S has recently received a redesign to take advantage of modern innovations in audio technology, and we received a review sample of their new sub, the Speedwoofer 10S MKII. All aspects of the sub has been improved: amplifier, driver, and cabinetry. That all poses the question of how much better is the MKII over the original?
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In this livestream, we discuss the details of the Speedwoofer 10S MKII with reviewer James Larson. We ponder the question, could this possibly be the best subwoofer you can get for under $500?
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They are using a variation of a transmission line design, essentially. Which is a good thing.
"It uses a Kevlar reinforced paper cone with an anodized aluminum dustcap. It connects to a cast aluminum basket via a Nitrile rubber surround and a Nomex spider. It has a 2” copper voice coil set inside of a 1 ⅜” double stack of magnets that have a 5 ½” diameter."
By the way, if their cabinet is a tuned mass loaded transmission line, then there may be only some/minimal DSP needed to get the smooth response.
Thank you both for this video. One tip... Review the review report before you do the video, or at least have it handy for quick reference.
I got this sub right after it came out. Using with a Denon X4700 now. Took a little time to play with placement and settings, but I really like it. Outperforms for a 10”. Outstanding after room correction. Huge steal at the price.
Joe at RSL is incredibly helpful in my venture into getting the right product for my home theater set-up. A real professional! Unfortunately missed getting the latest version as I picked up the previous model earlier to this year, but am very pleased with the performance of two RSL subs in my family room theater.
I have a mtx sw1 & sw2 power subwoofers, I upgraded the woofers with a mtx 5510 & 5512 plus used multi zone foam for treatment.
Night and day defense!
I wonder how truly good RSL's line of speakers were back in the 80's.
I hope you do a review on the RSL home theater speakers. They are made more for the modest home theater but says it gets high marks.
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Would love to see a head to head with this vs the SVS PB-1000 in the under $500 category.
The PB-1000 Pro is $800.
@@Audioholics Yup. I meant the old PB1000 they still sell at $499.
The PB1000 pro is more expensive and far far bigger. It isn't it's competition.
Completion for this is SB1000 Pro, and maybe SB2000 Pro
I watched before your video and wrote comments on the RLS 5.1.❤️
Thank you for the lesson
when are you doing the 10E?
James Larson kicks ass baby!!!!!
Just received mine two days ago. Wow! Very pleased with the results. Still fine tuning. 2 Chanel system for music only.
Will get another for my movie system sometime the future.
Highly recommended….
I'm using it in 2.1 setup. In what level output do you have your knowledge volumes? Mine is around 60%
@@eduardmc 50%, maybe just a touch under….
@@racerex100 alright thanx
How does this compare to the emotiva xs10 it's very similar specs wise for 50 dollars less
So they are saying that this will hit 16 HZ under 86 DB volume? Cuz my average listening level is 50 DB to 70db. Can anyone clarify? If that's the case I'm going to buy this
Thank you for the great review!
I ordered 1 today after watching this review last night. Also Joe from RSL is excellent to deal with. I'm going to use it with my Magnepan 1.7 🙂
so what's your take on it.... did you end up getting and whats your take?
I also have the maggie 1.7i. Looking at dual subs to pair with them and considering Rel T7x, Rythmik F12, and the RSL 10S Mk2. Just wondering which integrate best with the maggies?
@@aceofspades6667 r e l are great too but i never heard the other sub. Before . Note ....
you hardly ever see used rsl subs for sale.
@@garylethbridge6220 are you happy with the RSL? Did you get a pair or a single? Do you find the speed good enough and integrates well with maggies?
@@aceofspades6667 worked well. Only 1 should have 2.
But I already gave 2 SVS PB3000 so didn't want to spend the money
statistically this seems to rival the SVS 3000 Micro
The driver reminds me of an Eclipse car audio subwoofer from years ago.
That's a far better constructed driver than you will ever see at this price point.
Agreed!
would love to see you guys go over the 12s
Been using a BIC F12 since 2013 ... Saw Erins measurements video on 12" budgets shootout and poor response and what I was missing with it's "A" curve. I didn't know.
Just ordered a Outlet SVS PB-1000 Pro for $600. Think I will be able to tell a difference ? Thanks Audioholics for the reviews!
When you get the pb 1000 pro don’t forget to come back here and let us know what you think
I’m sure the info will help other people in your shoes 👍
I bought a Bic F12 about ~5 years ago for a simple bedroom sub and it always worked ok, but a few months ago I got a great deal on an American Bass XD 1244 driver and after running it's t/s parameters through WinISD the ideal box specs were pretty close to the already built Bic enclosure, so I decided I would replace the cheap driver in the Bic with the much beefier AB driver wired with it's dual 4 ohm coils wired in series to get a nominal 8 ohm load, and honestly, the difference is pretty stupid, I never thought a driver upgrade could make that much of a difference.
Edit: Corrected driver model name of the AB, it's an XD, not DDX. lol, my bad.
@@matilija Wild. The driver gets along with the 150 watts okay?
@@Selene_M3 Yeah, technically the driver is about 2 db at 1 watt less efficient, but it can be driven right up to just before the amp clips, where as the old driver would bottom out at ~60%, so the new driver is gaining at least 8db in overall volume due to being able to handle the power without any issues, but the real key, is that the old bic driver might have been able to hit ~110 db at 50hz, the new driver can hit that same 110 db at 30 hz, and it's easily over 100 db at 20 hz too, so yeah, I'm genuinely impressed.
The only downside, was that I had to grind out about an extra 1/8 inch around the sides of the subwoofer opening on the box to get the new driver to fit flush as the gasket is about 1/4 inch larger in circumference than the old driver....but it was worth the effort in the end.
@@matilija My car audio brother from another mother. I have an F12 that has been going strong for over 8yrs and want to upgrade. It's my first and only home sub. I've been itching to do a Fi sub or maybe even an IDMax in a properly built enclosure for shits and giggles. I might try this. Thanks!
It’s always a good day when I see you guys drop a video! Looking to sell my Klipsch SPL 100 and get two other subs. This might be on my shortlist with Rythmik. I really like the Rythmik offerings and was going to go that way but I’ll definitely check this out as well. The new def tech subs also look pretty promising. Looks like I’ll be rereading and comparing your reviews on that as well. :D
I wonder if it would be worth spending a little extra and getting the Rythmik LV12M? Would be an interesting comparison.
I was trying to decide between this and the Monolith M-210 v2... went with the Monolith. Thank goodness I did, this thing is astounding.
I also want to know if I should spend the extra for the Rythmik. I want a pair of subs in my 3800 cuft living room for music only.
@@GSP-76 That thing is a beast. But at 3x the price of the RSL 10, it should be.
Gene dear friend. This Speedwoofer 10s or Monolith V2 10 inch THX? Your recommendation. I want to buy a 10 inch today for a setup I have not heard any of these subs yet
Starke Sound 15” on sale goes for 5 and some change and has XLR.
Which would you choose between the RSL MKII, SVS 1000 PRO or the Klipsch R-112SW at $450, $600 and $380 respectively?
have you made your decision yet?
got mkii and it delivers the goods, RSL sales rep said 12s coming January 2023 and rsl customers quite possibly could trade up! not concrete but it was discussed with me at length. customer service rocks, svs or RSL can't go wrong! no go on Klipsch imo
@@fredfrederickson4566 hey Fred. Is a 12” really going to happen or is this just rumor/hearsay or speculation?
The diagram has the bass vent at the front, but later shown from the back, and the vent is on the back (and not at the front when shown from the front). Or is it behind the plastic bit at the bottom at the front? And the clearly seen hole at the back isn't actually the bass vent. Just appears like it is.
The original model had the port at the front. With the MKII they moved it to the rear.
Can you add this sub to sennheiser ambeo soundbar or do I need an amp to make this work with the soundbar
I'm more of an audiophile than a moviephile.
I would imagine that having 4 of these, 1 in each corner would give you a pretty good party system however for movies with content down to 20 Hz you'd miss a bit of chair shaking bass. How many movies have content that low? Is flattish down to about 26 Hz going to be good enough for movies?
26hz is lower than many can even hear. there's energy you'll miss, but...4 of these in a medium to large room with a minidsp would be better bass for the price than a similarly priced single sub, certainly.
@@Bluecrabsandsushi, to add to this, with four of these and room-coupling from corner-loading and cabin-gain, you're looking at flat down to 20 Hz with no real issues at nominal levels.
@@TokeBoisen yes I forgot about corner loading. It may need a bit of DSP to flatten out a hump but I think there's potential for some incredible bass for not that much money.
An audiophile wouldn't use subwoofers bro, they would buy full range speakers instead...I know I did...
@@bryanp4827 that's what old time audiophiles used to do.
I have four speedwoofers try four you will
Like it very much.
ok after watching the first 28 mins of this, I am now torn between the Arendal 1723 1V, which is $1900, and this.. is the arendal worth the extra $$$ or would you just go with RSL Speedwoofer 10S MKII?
Fairly certain 4 of the MKIIs for less than the price of 1 Arendal makes the most sense. I cant see the ROI in 1 $1900+ sub that hits 20hz vs 4x for $150 less. You can argue that 4 or 2 Arendals will outperform 4 or 2 RSL 10S MKIIs but at a much higher price point.
Looks pretty rad. New to the brand myself.
I have a sb2000 pro. and just got this. mostly for music at 2.1 setup. all I can say that my sb2000 pro is going on sale today
doesn't seem right, you probably don't have it tuned right
Seems right, I had the original 10s and it was awesome. It integrated with my speakers perfectly, I had just wished it had more output and that's exactly what the MK2 brings.
@@Slickman2006 i actually returned it and decided to keep the sb2000 pro for a few reason. Sb2000 pro i cannot return so i have to sell it off market, looks and build wise the sb2000 is alot better plus it has the bluetooth dsp. Still have 4 year warranty with them. The s10 is better not buy much but if u play close attention you can hear the difference. Willl say equal but s10 winning on a richer fuller lower hrz (30-20hz). Really love it but i would have lost much just trying yo get rid of the sb2000 pro. If i do need another sub you’ll bet this will be the one
To small for my set up, pushing 400watts per channel into my Cerwin Vega D9's in a large 25'×25' room.
For usage in a smaller home studio, would this work better than a Yamaha HS8S? The goal is just to have access to the low frequency range so I can hear it when I'm mixing / producing music :)
Bruh literally same. I just want to use it in my room with my JBL monitors for music production and just fun bassotronics and other bass music lol. Currently I have a krk 8" subwoofer and it's amazing tbh but it rolls off around 30hz and I want that 20hzzzzzz. Have u bought the RSL yet and is it easy to hookup to speaker monitors? Are you using an audio interface? Sorry for the questions but I just want to make sure it's possible
So how does this compare to the BIC PL-300? They are the same money. I see that James gave them a good review. I'd like to hear his thoughts on what he thinks between the two.
We have an article and youtube video in the works. Good question.
@@Audioholics based on what he said on both reviews I'm going to guess that he'll say if you want more mid bass go with the RSL and if you want more low end go with the BIC.
Of course the top of the line Panasonic looks and is awesome but it cost so much. I own a Sony x800. I'll use it till it falls apart then maybe look for hopefully a good deal on a Panasonic. 😮👍
What is the actual port size? So how wide and tall is the slot? Also, I wonder what the actual tuning frequency of the enclosure is (without DSP). I can't see that from the measurements without an impedance sweep
Slot port moved to the rear? That would be helpful in my room (corner placement) since I like pipe organ music.
Thanks for the video!
Is it good for music (2 channel) in a multi sub setup?
HELL YES!! Try it out for 30 days like I did!
@@docwho10th88 how big is your room?
@@bigmike5785 sorry about the late response. The room is 16x21x8
I have a set of Maggie 1.7i along with Anthem STR integrated amp that has dual sub outs and ARC room correction for bass management. I'm considering dual RSL 10S mk2, dual Rythmik F12s, or dual Rel T/7x's. This will be 90% for 2 channel audio and 10% for home theater. Do you think the RSLs are competitive with the costlier Rythmik and Rel options? I'm less concerned with excursion and pure output and more concerned with speed, accuracy, tightness, and control of bass.
don't know if you've made a decision yet, but I endorse 2 Speedwoofers and 1 Rythmik, or 2 Rythmiks
But most importantly, I think RSL would do good for themselves to develop a 12" speedwoofer.
I like 10". A compromise between brute size and transient response.
@@Justwantahover You can have just as much transient response from a 24" sub as you can a 10". Keep in mind that the larger the cone the more air it can move with less excursion. Provided you'll probably need a higher power amp and a larger cabinet to fully realize a larger driver which adds cost but end of the day driver size =/= transient response.
@@Justwantahover 12" is the sweet spot for cabinet size vs performance in a standard room, 10" works for a small room. Look at the distortion of this thing below 40hz, not that good.
@@snoopyboobs I have never heard distortion in mine! I have pushed it hard also with the Onkyo TX RZ-50
@@SixMeter the distortion is there but often subwoofer distortion is not that objectionable. if we had the same level of distortion at 3k the speaker would be unlistenable.
I want to use the LFE input but my Denon's lowest crossover point is 80hz. I have towers and I don't want to send 80hz to the sub. 50 would be just fine. Any suggestions ?
Denons have two settings for bass. Check to see if what you are adjusting is your Low Pass filter setting. The LPF for LFE setting determines what frequencies the Subwoofer Channel on your Denon will have available to output to your sub. Generally Denon sets a LPF at 120hz. This doesnt mean that your crossover is 120hz. You will want to adjust the crossover setting individually by going into Speakers then selecting crossover. You can set this as low as 40hz. hopefully this helps!
Why did James not know what the knobs are? He tested it.
In the video, he says he can't see the labels.
REO Speedwagon? No! RSL Speedwoofer!
I personally can't recommend enough the use of duel subs in a near-field situation. I have a 10" sub firing into either side of my main listening position.
That's exactly what I've been considering recently. I have a very large open living area in the middle of my house where the living room is connected. Everyone I talk to recommends massive subwoofers due to the volume of the room, but that often means thousands of dollars.
Also I wanted to add that I've been to people's house where they have a sound bar and a tiny 8" wireless sub next to their main listening position. It sounded much tighter than my giant sub sitting in the corner of the room, and I think the key was near field placement. I was surprised how good it sounded because it was completely hidden.
@@Smellslikegelfling having your sub/subs right next to you lets you keep their gain down, lowering distortion.
Dual, not duel.
for near field why two? i’m mixing, trying to research on it; thanks for any insights.
It would have been nice to see the impedance response. Does it say what frequency the box is tuned to?
If you look at the distortion measurements and the graph showing the individual outputs of the driver and port, it seems to indicate the port is tuned somewhere around 26 Hz, with the port-output peaking and distortion dropping around that point
I think, I think...:D
The only thing that I think edges it out is the original SVS PB1000 as it has a bit more output at 20hz but those are harder to get new since they are discontinued.
how does that pb1000 perform better than this at the 20hz range with less amp power than the rsl
@@demonreturns4336 power isn't everything. Also keep in mind port tuning and cabinet size play a role as well. At 20hz most of the output is coming from the port. Rsl has a very small slot port compared to the relatively large port on the SVS. Also lastly Brent Butterworth (edit: fixed name) from the wirecutter did cea2010 measurements of all 3 rsl and the SVS pb1000 with the pb1000 having more output at 20hz. SVS is 107.2db, mk2 (in lfe mode) is 102.4db and mk1 is 101.5db His numbers are 1m ground plane vs audioholics 2m so you need to subtract I think 6db if you want to compare. However I don't really like comparing across reviewers if I can help it as stuff such as microphone calibration can skew the numbers.
@@TylerStout got it Tyler, thanks for the detailed info 👍
what sub you got now?
@@demonreturns4336 I have a pair of HSU vtf2-mk5 but originally I had a SVS PB1000 but it wasn't enough for my room size but I probably could have got by with it had I got a second one. My biggest upgrade was getting the umik-1 and figuring out that placing my subs in opposing corners provides significantly better frequency response over how I originally placed them. The vtf2-mk5 is comparable to the SVS pb1000 pro however SVS gives you more output at 25hz and less at 16hz which I'd say is probably better since a lot of movies roll off their bass around 20hz so that's what I'd pick today at their higher inflated price points especially since SVS has the app.
I thought about changing my theatre room subs recently, but given my two Klipsch Sub 10's are running about half gain and offering huge bass, there is simply no need for me, but the Speedwoofer would have definitely been on my short-list...
Looks pretty rad. Great vid. Love to see some home theater testing
SVS PB1000 499 EURO
SVS is getting rekt because they spent too much money on putting DSP in their subs when everyone already has room correction
Please this subwoofer does not have low pass filter. Stop misinforming us.
It does have a Low pass filter 40-250hz. It just doesn't have a high pass.
The TESLA sound system. A great BIG super heavy sub and 5,000 satellites.
And would never exist outside vaporware
noooooooooooo😂!
Have you guys checked out Starke Sound SW12? It's a sealed sub, about the same price. I've really been enjoying it on my PC setup.
www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/starke-sound-sw15-and-sw12
How is your PC setup set UP. Do u produce music or have an audio interface with powered monitors? Or do you have an amp with a sub out?
Why would you want a sub playing in the 100-200 Hz region???? LFE mode response extends too far into the lower midrange. Am I missing something?
Yes. You want the sub to be linear beyond just 80hz so you don't have excessive attenuation at and slightly below the crossover region you select in the bass management of your AVR.
This cat needs to refer to his papers.
My RSL is sad because it's lonely... I should have splurged on two.
Next day recap: definitely getting a second.
@Steve Boatman did you get a second? How big is your room?
@@bigmike5785 I actually didn't get a second. Life happened... but I'm waiting for a 12 now. Fairly large. Open floor plan not acoustically optimal for sure. Lots of echo.
10:24 in I stopped watching. Your expert is fumbling around and doesn't know what knob does what, unimpresive to say the least.
@Steveostones then it's your loss. James Larson subwoofer reviews are benchmark in the industry.
@@Audioholics OK
I have a bic coustech pl300. its terrible. I'm SURE this is better.
So what you're saying is we definitely want a review?
You lost me at "360 degrees out of phase."
You lost me with a comment we never said.
20:50
@zounds13 maybe james meant 2 full cycles.
this james dude must lay off the wacky backy.
dementia overload.
what's that??? another sub w/ NO XLR? -fabulous
Check out @taz comment. Starke has a good sale on subs with XLR outs
Which $450 sub has XLR?
@@ytj22 keep in mind I never said there were so many with XLR-- I said yet another without XLR-- so there are plenty without XLR and But we need more with XLR.
@@ytj22 Starke Sound SW10 10" Subwoofer on sale $399 right now. I own 2 of the Starke SW12"s that were 450 each on sale and couldn't be happier.
@@Audiojunkabus I will check it out, thanks.
I think cosmetically it could be better. I just can't get past the looks .Sorry It's ugly!