They have had my $2500 since unveiling ha. My daughter and her BFF will love third row. Son and buddy in the middle. Tesla called to say I could get the 5 seater today. Told them I already have it in the 3 don’t call again till my 7 seat Y is ready for pickup. Or me Cybertruck HA!
Can't use the rear view cam and the nav at the same time yet, though if not for a Model S/X. Maybe in the future it will be possible but for now it's not a really viable option
I don't know why this isn't available on all vehicles. I wish I could use my backup camera pretty often even though I'm moving forward or sitting neutral.
Yes, but IMO very incomplete. Alex is testing the cars for 90's era. He actually said Volvo will have "more featuers" than Tesla. This ignores the Infotainement, Autopilot and other software (Dog mode, Sentry Mode, Games centre) and constant OTA. They are a paradigm shift for auto industry. Analysing Tesla without focus on its software is missing a huge part of magic of Tesla's.
I appreciate that your range test spent considerable time at 72 MPH. The majority of my miles are driven at 75 MPH, so it's good to know realistically how much range to expect from the Model Y in my situation.
The claimed EPA range is using standard regen setting. And that's the default setting. Changing to low setting with no regen on brake pedal may hurt the range.
As a Model 3 owner for 2 years, I wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone who tries to get into an EV. There are a lot of advantages when it comes to Tesla, the phone app that allows you to heat and cool the car remotely, the super charging network, the minimalist spaceship interior all set it apart from competition. :D
Remote heating and cooling isn't new. The Hyandais and Kias have a larger battery than the base model 3 and gets closer to the rated EPA range than the tesla in addition to the longer range. 99% of the time you would not be using the super charging network and that itself is bad for the battery.
@@AFlyingCookieLOL it's not just about the size of the battery, the chemistry and tech innovation also play a huge part in battery competition; not to mention Tesla is projected to announce its one million mile battery in its upcoming investor event which further sets the bar. Further more i dont think your statement of the kia model having more real world range or closer to epa range compare to tesla can be backed by evidence. I would interested to learn more if you can provide them, the few articles i have read all concluded that model 3 and S are king of range. Sources:www.whatcar.com/best/best-electric-cars-2020/n17000 www.greencarreports.com/news/1126906_real-world-highway-range-uk-test-lauds-kia-niro-ev-tesla-model-3 www.motor.no/artikler/elbil-rekkeviddetest-direkte-sommer-2020/ Sentry mode, over the air updates, auto pilots are all major selling point btw
Roger Smith if you drive a Tesla, you will realize the other cars are crap. Yes others can heat/cool. But they don’t have autopilot, they don’t have the power/performance, they don’t have all the features like a movie theater in your car with Netflix, they don’t have the wide supercharger network which is much more reliable than electrify America.
@@AFlyingCookieLOL this guys test is wrong on range, he needs to use Max regen and hold mode to get the correct range as epa. He is driving it like ICE cars.
Seats are straight from the Model 3, but in the Y they are on risers, so if you are tall your knees are not up so high. This also leaves room for rear passenger feet to fit under the front seats.
Model Y is a great because of all the knowledge Tesla learn from their previous cars. The pace of innovation from this company is out of this world! 🚀 ⚡️
I seem to be an outlier--prefer a car in general and M.3 in particular but i usually drive alone, handling/performance is my priority, not acceleration so much as all have plenty but range, efficiency....
I think it is more that the sedan Model 3 would not have sold as well. And Tesla needed the model 3 to sell well to fund operations and the design of the model Y. Also, having the Model 3 out first meant they had a platform from which they could take learn how to manufacture at larger scale, and use parts from the Model 3 for another high volume car, namely the Model Y My guess is the Model Y will strongly outsell the Model 3 in any market where they are both sold.
Don't think you looked at all the astresks for the Mach E. The price tag you displayed is the lower range 75kw version and will have a range under 240 miles. The 99kwh version is similarly priced as the Model Y LR AWD
At this time, I’d pick Model Y mainly for the charging network and years of making EV. Ford still hasn’t made a single mass produced EV. I’ll reconsider after Ford makes a 2nd mass produced EV at the same time.
Agreed: fast charging infrastructure is a deal-breaker for any other EV except Tesla. Try to visit grandma 400mi away in anything else. In dead of winter / summer.
@Grizzy Bear That's a very good start. At least VW has some experience making EV for a few years. The Golf EV was quite nice but limited range and limited market (compliant vehicle) prevented it from being widely accepted. However, the charging network is more useful than people realize. Tesla has made charging more user friendly and seamless allowing long travel with EV much easier than other EV. I wish they all come together to build one giant charging network,
Grizzy Bear Yeah they’ve also teamed up with something called electrify America, but so far neither of these companies have produced an EV comparable to a Tesla whether we’re talking about the model 3, the model Y, the model S or the model X! So as far as I’m concerned, if you’re not driving a Tesla than you’re not driving the future! Tesla has delivered the future & they own the EV space & everyone else is playing catch-up & if they don’t get their heads in the game & get serious about competing in this space, not only will they go out of business, but they will be left on the side of the road as roadkill & no amount of money will be able to resuscitate them! The only place you should be able to see an internal combustion engine is in a museum! The future is electric! Game over!😱
@@theodorehaskins3756 I appreciate your view of Teslas, but many people simply cannot afford to buy a Tesla. $4,500 Down and $755 a month to buy a Model Y is tough to out of reach for many, regardless of their love of the environment. Plus the increase in insurance and yearly license renewal. I realized I would have to buy TSLA stock to be able to afford one.
@@ntphan Do True, When Tesla started planning and building the Supercharger network, they approached the other OEM's suggesting a joint venture/partnership and were laughed out of the room. Now pride prevents any sort of mutually beneficial collaboration
I'm interested in this car but the overall fit, finish, and panel gaps are really bad. Waiting for the next year model when they work all of this out. You can tell this was rushed into production.
Most of the reviews say that panels are much better than m3 in 2018. Paint though is a weakness. Although I will say that just about every bmw and Mercedes comes with gap issues yet nobody seems to mention them.
Tesla has had similar problems on ALL models for about a decade, so if you are going to make that a major issue, forget getting a Tesla. On the other side, word of mouth is amazing, which means overall quality is at least pretty good, or else owners wouldn't be recommending it to friends and family
In US for fast charging, Teslas support only Chademo via an adaptor they sell (believe it goes upto 50kW). As of now CCS version is default for Europe only. Also there is a CCS adaptor for older vehicles shipped to EU but that doesn't seem to work for US version vehicles, software locked by Tesla. The adaptor that comes with the vehicle is a J1722 adaptor for L2 AC charging.
Alex. Great review as always! I currently own a LR AWD Model 3 with performance upgrade and will be receiving my Y in a couple of weeks (for my wife) so this review is very timely. I reallllllly liked the Jaguar IPace, but as you pointed out, the infotainment system rivals the Acura in how poor it is...the lag is like death by a million razor blade cuts. I drove one for a few days and couldn't take it anymore despite having CarPlay available. Also, it's a Jaguar...the values are currently plummeting because they can't get rid of them...seeing 20k off of new ones. My local dealer had a slightly used one with 5k miles on it for almost 30k off. I almost bought it, but we weren't in agreement on FMV. While TESLA quality is arguably not any better, they hold value much better overall. Plus, really hard to pass up the improvements as you own it, which I think is HUGE now that I own a 3. It's almost an entirely different car from what I purchased a year ago. Last point, to make the other vehicles on the comparison chart on an even plane (for me) you need to bump their stereos up to the Burmeister or Bowers & Wilkins, to get it to sound as good as TESLAs...that's a minimum of 3-5k on some of the competition. Was hoping to like the Volvo XC60 T8 but disappointed that Volvo has forced folks to add options to get some safety that should be standard. Really Volvo?? Plus, that 4 cylinder engine does sound terrible when you push it, even if it's pretty quick...All that and the TESLA won out for me. But I would still love to tool around in the others.
@@Jbiglin I would also like to re-emphasize Alex's rating on the seats...while they look rather plain in comparison so other luxury seats, I'm shocked how comfortable they are. I had a hip replaced and bath arthritis in the other, so seats are right up there for me along with responsiveness and sound system in my cars. My 3 previous cars before this were a Porsche Boxster with standard seats, Audi Q7 Prestige (all but massaging function on them) and the BMW X5 with the 21-way adjustable seats, so I was very concerned about the Tesla seats. I have absolutely no complaints. For me, I don't even think about the seats, which is how you want them. I've had cooled seats before and they never live up to the hype (both cooled and vented types - make sure you know the difference!). I agree with Alex though, a thigh cushion extender would be nice, but for me not necessary. I would also prefer a heated steering wheel and wish Apple CarPlay was integrated. But, as it is a TESLA, there's always tomorrow's update that might add these things! Other than that, couldn't be happier.
@@KU-yo9ds Yes, but quality doesn't help if you ever think about going on a road-trip. It has an absence of long range and a dedicated fast-charging network. Also being able to afford a car, also depends on resale values, something which Audi isn't really known for
Alex, when will you review the Model X?? I can't wait. By the way, there's no one on the planet that knows how to review cars thoroughly like you. Excellent job!
If they aren’t going to give you an instrument cluster, then they could at least give you a heads up display! My wife has a model 3 and I hate not having a front instrument cluster!
Small corrections: 1. Adapters are available that will allow Tesla cars to be charged on other networks. You just plug the adapter onto the charging cable on the non-Tesla charging station. 2. There's a setting in the controls that allows you to adjust how sensitive the steering is and how forceful the feedback is, between Comfort, Standard, and Sport modes.
You can use the J1772 adapter to get level 2 AC charging at many charging stations, and there's a Chademo adapter available, but they don't offer a CCS combo adapter, so you can't do level 3 CCS DC fast charging.
There is no CCS adapter for any USA market Model 3. In Europe there is, but the connector on the car in Europe is different. The steering modes do not adjust the steering ratio, only the level of assist. The only steering rack with user adjustable ratios is the steer-by-wire rack in certain Infiniti vehicles.
Alex we like your reviews but I think your calling 121 mpg a "B" is not fair or correct., it's an A+++. I also think you should also compare the Model Y versus similarly priced ICE vehicles. I like the quick steering myself as well as a firmer ride so these are just personal preferences. We are awaiting our Model Y delivery so guess we'll see for ourselves. On the whole, I think you underestimate the virtues of Tesla and overstate the problems but I do appreciate your thorough reviews.
I was at a Honda dealer once with my Model 3 and a salesman asked me what MPG it got. I said about 120 and he thought I was joking. Most people don't understand the massive divide between even hybrid and EVs when it comes to efficiency. When comparing the Model Y efficiency to "2-Row luxury CUVs", it's definitely an A. Alex totally missed the forest for the trees.
B is fair for a vehicle that failed to get the advertised 121 MPG. In our testing the Model Y is less efficient than the Model S or Model 3. I can't give a vehicle an A when it failed to meet the window sticker numbers by this far.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide thanks for the reply but we'll just have to disagree. To me, all Teslas get an A++ for getting over 100 mpg, even if it's 80 mpg, it's far better than a Prius which is a smaller vehicle, rated at 55 mpg and I bet you would grade them an A on fuel economy. Your dissatisfaction seems rooted in the fact you haven't gotten the advertised range but even given that fact, the mileage is excellent especially considering the performance.
Now that we've had our Model Y, I wanted to update my comment. On the range, we are getting about 80-85% of the range. For us in Washington state, this means that the energy cost to power the Y is 6-10 times less than comparable ICE cars so I still maintain the efficiency in the market is the best of any crossover vehicle, ICE, hybrid or electric by a wide margin. Overall, I think this is the best car currently on the planet, we love it.
If you want an EV, one of the biggest arguments for the Tesla is their super charger network. Ford has none which means you would have to rely on other 3rd party charger stations which are not as capable, reliable or as well populated as Tesla's. So I would choose the model Y over the Ford in a heart beat on just that alone (I think there are many other arguments in favor the Y but that one alone is good enough).
This is tricky, because CCS chargers outnumber Tesla connectors by about 2:1 nationally and 4:1 in California. Now, not all of them are as fast as a SuperCharger station, not as easy to use, but "well populated" is a tricky statement since the number of cars to charge plugs ratio is actually much better currently for CCS than the Tesla connector because of the large number of Teslas sold. The layout of CCS connectors is quite different however since there's a plug here and a plug there rather than 20 in a bank.
Alex on Autos supercharger network is built in to the Tesla nav. You know exactly where they are, how many are available (in use) and functional. With third party chargers reliability is spotty at best and a pain to plan a trip around. When range anxiety is such a big thing with EVs, this is important.
That's what I keep saying to people. Tesla doesn't strip the interior because "minimalism" works better, they do that to be as cheap as they can be. To cover that, they word the hell out it to affected tech snobs who think buttons are so "passé".
I was the same way at first. Came out of a Porsche that had a million buttons and I loved it. But, I have to say, I love it. Not on every car, but it works on the TESLAs. They did it right. No different than using my iPhone or any smart phone.
LOL. did apple save lot of money by removing buttons from iPhone? Its a different design philosophy. And almost all Tesla customers likes it once they use it a little. Voice recognition has gotten so good that you can do most of the "things" buttoms used to do while driving.
I completely agree. The thing that bothers me the most is that there's no speedometer right in front of my eyes. But I think if I mounted my cellphone on the dash in front of the steering wheel and fired up Waze, that could do the trick (though I'd prefer a much larger font for the speedo in Waze so perhaps someone else makes a simple gps-based app to calculate and display the speed in giant font...?) Whadayou say people? Is there already such a thing? Or does someone feel like creating an app like this?
Just took delivery with a family member on a Y. 14 months ago I took delivery on a 3 and it was perfect. The MY, though a wonderful car, was delivered with numerous defects. No other manufacturer would survive with such careless production and delivery issues. Both cosmetic and safety. We, who care about Tesla and their future, need to put pressure on corporate to mature as a mainstream vehicle manufacturer.
Hi Rick, I think your comment would be more meaningful for other prospective owners if you listed the numerous defects. Especially safety related ones. If you have a chance, please post an update.
The Y was pushed out earlier than scheduled to meet the 2nd quarter numbers, hence the bad build quality. Thanks to the early adopters, TSLS stock went up astronomically.
well, you know what you are getting on a tesla. My m3 has the same, weird panel gaps and uneven surface from one panel to the next. I would still buy this car again, just amazing tech.
Speaking from experience, the build quality is probably better on a low cost Toyota. Build is inconsistent, and paint is very soft for the first few months, as if it's not fully cured. However, even knowing what I know today, I would still buy the Tesla. Just set your expectations accordingly and decide if minor imperfections are a deal breaker for you. We all wish it was better, but it is what it is.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide The frunk lid is actually adjustable. There are two knobs on the inside of each side of the frunk lid, you can see them at 12:21. You twist them to adjust how tight the front trunk lid closes. If you make it tight, of course the panel alignment with look out of place.
I know. People would have ripped on Hyundai 10-15 years ago if their build quality was half as bad a Tesla's, now. Yet, somehow this is acceptable because it's an EV, it has an all glass roof, and it looks like an Apple Store on the inside.
Well for one the roads are worse, and cars have much bigger wheels and tires with less sidewall. I like controlled better than floaty personally but I get your point for sure.
"70% of components sharing" statement should be taken relatively i.e. with 2019- Model 3 production and not with M3s before. Biggest difference would be Heat pump, octavalve, related thermal system, the casting, sheet metal etc. But the motor upgrade is the front induction motor which now uses an Aluminum Squirrel cage rotor instead of copper from before. This upgrade made its way into M3 in 2019 production year. Aluminum is cheaper, lighter but not as electrically/thermally conductive as Copper, but with some alloy mixture it can be made comparable enough.
Another great review, as always. So the real question: in the Model 3 review, you said you would have purchased and kept a Model Y if it were available at that time. Now that you have driven one, are you planning on buying a Model Y for yourself?
Great video... the white does look great. I am glad you went in the back to simulate the row. The first and second row has so much space. I was amazed by the space my self.
Don't go at all 5 years from now you will be able to buy 100% more for half the price. Never buy that new TV when it first comes out. These E-cars are the same.
everything I've read so far on the Mach-E on pricing says and I agree that it will be just like a traditional 3rd party dealership model for pricing.... meaning that Ford won't really be controlling the price. The dealers will. It's almost certain the price will be pumped up to meet with the demand for the vehicle....It even says in the fine print when you've placed your reservation that it reserves the right to change the price as they see fit. I doubt you will ever see a "sticker priced" Mach-E... Thats the advantage with Tesla selling direct to the consumer...no price gouging. BUT that's just my opinion. :)
Don't forget the Significant advantage of the Tesla Supercharger network! I would buy the Tesla over the other options on this point alone. ...I have the Cybertruck Tri-Motor on order. That 500 mile plus range will be a game change. I feel the new battery day reveal will see that range increase to as much as 700+ miles (assuming Elon was not already building that future tech announcement into the Cybertruck's specs at launch), should see a 42% or greater increase in energy density.
The SC network is about location, location, location. However, this advantage is eroding slowly which is why I didn't spend time on it in this video (we cover it fully in others). CCS plug and stations outnumber Tesla SC connectors 3:1 nationally and growing. SC connectors held a huge advantage on interstates for longer distance travel but that advantage has diminished over the last few years and there is significant CCS presence on interstate routes at this time. In addition, cars per charge plug is much denser with SC now due to the sales success at Tesla. The main remaining advantage to SC at this point is that the stations are generally better maintained and average faster charge rates vs most CCS plugs.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide That is really good to hear. One other thing Tesla has though is the ability to check in advance how many chargers are functional or occupied. AFAIK the other networks do not provide this functionality quite yet. I am sure they will at some point in the future ofc.
Agreed on the value SC network provides. Having it built into the navigation makes it dead simple, it shows availability and reduced service locations to avoid, and there are no RFID cards, fobs, account logins - you just plug it in and charge - a major convenience.
@@OniMetsuki Electrify America, EVgo and others have online status using the mobile app. Use PlugShare.com to evaluate chargers on the planned route and then switch over to the appropriate app to check specific chargers.
Thanks for your review. It is nice to get thorough reviews while waiting for my bank stuff to process. I haven't been expediting the process because I wanted to see more reviews like this one. One surprising figure you gave was that the towing capacity was lower than the model 3. It kinda makes me think I should go model 3. However, I won't be towing that often. I would check out the Mach E... However, it doesn't exist yet, and... the big one... The charging network. If any of the legacies want to have a chance at competing with Tesla they must either build out their own network like Tesla's or swallow their pride and approach Tesla for a license agreement.
Even if the motors are updated, it wouldn't matter because that would mean the current Model 3's have those same upgraded motors. Tesla doesn't only upgrade their models once every few years like other brands, they upgrade every day.
We don't know that for sure. Tesla does have different motors in production simultaneously. For instance it took a while before the S got the upgraded 3 motors and the X still doesn't have them. They may have volume contracts on specific designs or need to amortize costs over a longer period.
One of my biggest gripes too but maybe rear cam display OAU (Over Air Update) will mitigate that one day soon...still window views are crucial I don't want to rely on a functioning screen to drive properly.
Elon already said other car companies can use Tesla super charge station with an extra charge of 4-5 c a Killawatt. It's coing to be less and less of an issue going forward.
Good review, BUT when you review electric car you must also talk about max Ah charging and also that Tesla have the worlds best charging grid in the world. Thank you.
Alex is a cerebral reviewer. He addresses questions you are likely to have. Tesla does lack necessary physical controls. I'm afraid it may cost them some sales. I had aspirations regarding the Y, but I am also waiting for the Nissan Ariya, VW ID.4 and maybe, the eTron. Reason? A needlessly austere cabin. It also needs to pay attention to quality, and not too much to FSD. Not many governments have said it is okay to drive on their streets without a human behind the controls. I would continue to work on FSD, but not as a priority. OTA updates are impressive, however.
I am still not in to pure electric vehicle, but if I am to choice one, I will go for the upcoming Ford Mustang Mach-E. I like the design of it and like the looks of the dash and instrument layout.
Excellent review as usual. I find your comments interesting on the steering's being somewhat twitchy. We have a 2020 Model 3 LR AWD, and for me, the car drives like it is on rails, but my wife drives like you describe...constant, small corrections. We both have the steering set at the least sensitive of the three settings in our driver profiles.
I love the quick 10:1 steering ratio of Model 3. It just means the driver need to make smaller movements, not more movements. The only time it causes a problem for me is when driving fast on bumpy highways, when bumps cause unwanted steering inputs. This only seems to be a problem when steering is set to Sensitive.
Maybe I missed it but I did not hear about Tesla's supercharging network which is 2nd to no none. Every other EV is essentially a local drive car only. And then Over the air updates and continuous software improvement updates?
What is your definition of "local"? People have already driven from East Coast US to West Coast US in Chevrolet Bolts. It's not as convenient as doing so in a Tesla because they _do_ have a superior charging network, but putting down other EVs only hinders EV adoption.
@@sonicbhoc What tesla is doing is to make it proprietary like apple to force buyers. Once more public chargers are around it would be pretty much none-issue. Tesla fanboys = Apple fanboys
Nerium Oleander wrong. Teslas charging network was open to all manufacturers, but they ALL refused to help Tesla build it. So now they get to use slower pain in the azz systems as a result of their incredible stupidity. It’s number 1 because not only do the Teslas accept the higher charge, but the adapter is far superior than the clunky mess everyone else is building. Pulling out a credit card is as ancient as cash and super pointless. You sound like a fanboy of slow charging networks and clunky interfaces - doesn’t make you look good to cling to nonsense while calling fans of vastly superior tech fanboys. Teslas range and quick charging ubiquity are why they are absolutely slaughtering every other EV maker in existence. Bolts charge too slow and the range is a joke. Nice try though.
@@rickkay9548 how slow is "too slow"? Do you soak for every person who is considering buying an EV ever? How much range is "enough"? Do you know the needs and use cases for every driver on the planet? There are people who for one reason or another will want a car that isn't a Tesla, and putting down other brands will likely just make those people not buy an EV at all. If I couldn't have gotten a used Leaf I probably wouldn't be driving electric myself.
@Charles Christie I drive a 2019 Bolt and live in SE Iowa. High speed charging availability is very very poor. I could not make it to St Louis from Jefferson County Iowa. Driving to Kansas city looks borderline risky. Heading East to Indianapolis is very zig zagy and slow in if one charging station is out, then practically impossible. Heading West to San Diego--getting to and through El Paso and Las Cruces looks iffy or impossible. So yes the Tesla Supercharger network a huge difference. Regardless of what Ford and Chevy marketing PR may suggest--in the midwest High Speed charging stations are too sparse and are expensive.
I don’t think the federal tax credit should be applied to the vehicle car cost for comparisons because it is a non-refundable tax credit. It only applies to a tax liability. If you owe no additional tax when you file, then there is no additional credit according to the IRS.
It’s fun to compare the Y to the Mustang, but since the Mustang doesn’t exist yet, I don’t really see the point. Maybe one should wait until you have an actual Mustang to drive/look at before making any comparison.
One more thing to consider is the charging network. Tesla's can charge at Superchargers as well as ̶C̶C̶S̶ Chademo stations with an adapter. No other brand offers such a broad choice of charging options. I would buy in this order: 1:Tesla Model Y - the sweet spot of price, size and innovation 2: Audi - the best interior and build quality 3: Volvo XC40 EV - Not yet available, looks promising 4: Mercedes EQC - Not yet available in US, not a "clean-sheet" ev 5: Ford Mach e - Not yet available, good dealer coverage 6: Jaguar I-pace - Expensive, woefully inefficient, nice interior on upper trims 7: Volvo XC60 PHEV - burns gasoline, nuff said
@@naarealy CHAdeMO is an abandoned technology in the USA really. Kia left the party leaving Nissan's Leaf the only full EV with native CHAdeMO support. CHAdeMO is considerably slower than CCS/Tesla and there are fewer plug out there vs CCS. At the moment adding CCS into the mix isn't really a major selling point IMHO. Going forward we see around 100x more planned capacity for CCS vs CHAdeMO and all major brands but Nissan have pledged CCS support (Even Tesla in a way since they have CCS compatible models in the EU.)
@@AAutoBuyersGuide I agree that CCS will become the dominant standard. I'm on the east coast, almost all the CCS stations also have Chademo. I believe in order to get state grant money, they are obligated to make it accessible to "everyone".
you don't talk about the Tesla supercharger network which is unmatched by the competition, also not having the regen at max, means you are losing out on efficiency, using the traditional breaks is wasting energy. Otherwise great and solid review
We've spoken about the SC network in the past, it is less of a competitive advantage at this point as CCS has been growing rapidly and now outnumbers SC connectors in the USA by 3:1. In our range test the regen setting has no effect since 90%+ of the stopping events are regen only and there is very little stopping in the range test. (check out the video)
Would bankrupt All other car companies if they release this. I think they're holding back on purpose. They're colluding together to help each other out to survive. Current battery technology can definitely go 500 miles for sure
How about an additional efficiency test using the default "Hold" regen mode? It seems like this might make a difference since you note having to use the friction brakes more.
@@normt5463 Tesla doesn't have to try and own the whole market, different people have different taste's and needs, there is room for many others who can satisfy the demand from those who want different to what Tesla offers
The steering has three options in the touchscreen: Comfort, Standard and Sport modes, did you try other modes? As far as your mileage efficiency, if you had used the full regen mode (that most Tesla drivers to include myself use) than your kilowatt per mile would have been much improved. The Model Y was the first Tesla to incorporate a heat pump, which is much more efficient than the Tesla Model 3, X and S, this also greatly improves range the range in the Tesla Model Y. Tesla has added the side view cameras when backing up and will be adding the *Birdseye* view in a OTA software update. Thank you for your informative review.
Teslas do not have adjustable steering ratios, the "quickness" of the steering is ratio based, not effort based. This is not a steer-by-wire system like in some Infiniti models where the ratio can be adjusted.
You tested the range using the light regenerative mode instead of normal? Knowing the brake pedal doesn't regen you didn't put enough power back into the battery and that's why you only have 225 mile range! Yes it still would not have 315 mile as claim but not that far apart when using normal regen as designed.
The regen setting would not have made much difference. In the EPA test cycle, any regen only improves things by 5%, or less of an impact than running the A/C. Second, all our decel when stopping in this video was largely within the regen abilities of the Model Y in standard mode, we didn't use the brake pedal much at all. Even being as liberal as possible with estimates, in this test it is unlikely to have made even a 1 mile difference in range.
@@kevinchung1492 In our Model 3 (we no longer have it) it made no difference at all , we tested it both ways. If you were in lots and lots of stop and go, then it would make more difference, but in our drive route, zero.
According to the manual and the car's option menu regen setting in HOLD mode is most efficient and will slow the car to a stop and apply the brakes. The stronger regen is often more efficient in my experience unless you keep a very long following distance to ensure you never use the brakes.
Mach E isn't released yet so all we know about it is what Ford wants us to know. It might be a worthy Model Y competitor, but we won't know until it's here. Also, isn't the Polestar 2 coming out at around the same time with roughly the same price point?
Polestar 2 is a sedan, more of a model 3 competitor. As to the Ford, I’ve driven it, it exists. It’s not on same however like the SR and 3-row Model Ys aren’t on sale yet.
Hi @Alex on Autos, so model 3 SR and this Y seems to have the same ride score of C-. Will you say ride on the Y is jarring and not comfortable ? Is it more comfortable compared to the 3's you were in ? Assuming you had 45 PSI all around for this test. Also others opinion is Y is quieter, did you feel that ?
You can find some pretty substantial discounts on the i-Pace and e-tron at the dealerships. I won't be surprised if Mercedes lowers the MSRP on the EQC or offers significant discounts.
I'm surprised you've never reviewed a Model X, I was looking here to see how you'd rate compare its quality to other luxury SUVs since you've reviewed so many of them
Excellent, thorough video as usual, Alex! The one thing I think you ignored in your comparisons, to the detriment of the value calculation, is the existence and availability of Tesla Autopilot. Although lacking in some features I really want (ventilated seats, more comfortable bolsters, matte options, etc.), I’d still buy a Tesla over the near competitors due to the ability to get and use Autopilot. I want a car that can take the workload off of me more than I even want an electric car. This makes Tesla more attractive than some of the other options, even if they cost less. That’s my only complaint with the video. Thanks for your hard work, as always!
Alex on Autos Yes, I’m very aware, which is why I called it a system to reduce workload rather than a self-driving system. Still, having used it, it’s a huge boon to the value calculation of any Tesla.
I saw a Jaguar I-Pace for the 1st time yesterday which was driving along beside me. Got a good look at it from several angles, including directly behind. The I-Pace didn't do a thing to stir my interest in checking one out further. Based on their dismal sales, it appears that the general public largely agrees. The Porsche Taycan IS a beautiful car BUT the price is exorbitant for a device to move your butt from Point A to Point B. Now Byton is apparently dead and Volkswagen appears to be having major software challenges. Keep bringing those Tesla killers on!
Well an honest review. Wish you had touched on where the 3rd row seat, seat belts would attach? Seems like it would be very awkward. Secondly, nitpicking a little, you kept referring to your 4.9 second 0-60, whereas you you used the competition's time as posted. You should have used Tesla's official number. That said, I will get my Long range Model Y early Oct, 2020. And no, I would not even consider any of the other EV's you listed. Mostly because of the number of charging stations and over the air updates, not to mention the full self driving availability. The others are miles behind. So I realize the Tesla is not faultless, but the good outways the bad by a long shot.
Looking for the full range test? It's here: ruclips.net/video/p9D55YZE86Q/видео.html. As to the ever popular "why don't you cover" questions: The video is 29 minutes long. Covering more would have made it an hour. We have to draw a line somewhere. SuperCharging is covered in other videos, the software (OTA) and AutoPilot as well. Frequent watchers will notice we don't spend time on charging networks in other EV reviews and we don't generally comment on hands-on semi-autonomous driving aids like AutoPilot, Pilot Assist, Pro Pilot, etc.
Any thoughts on doing an efficiency test in the default "Hold" regen setting, aka one-pedal-driving? Tesla increased their EPA rating when they added that mode, and the heavier Model Y may benefit more from stronger regen.
How much a month to operate if you charge at home? 1,000 miles a month, insurance for a 45-60K car? plus, there really are maintenance costs, not cheap. I pay about $150 a month to drive my 6 speed manual 17 Civic Si 1,000 a month and it's paid off.
Wakey Wakey. Model 3 and Y are both mass market numbers. New production strategy. Model 3 demand big enough to test the production machine but not as much of an ordeal as the Y with 3 to 4 times the demand. Elon may be bold but he sure ain't stupid.
A 300 mile range Mustang Mach E prices out at $56,000. Tesla Model Y with 316 mile range $53,000. (Choosing bigger wheels on the Model Y will cost you range miles.) Soon Teslas should have a range increase to 400 miles.
Alex: My WAG on why they didn't build the Y first is due to a few factors. #1, building to the best product. If they started with the Y, I don't think TESLA had the capability to produce the numbers they would have needed to in order to meet the demand. Hence, start with a low volume product as your first one. And, price, if you are going to start with a low volume product as you first one, you need to make $$$$$$ on them in order to fund the continued growth toward mass production. The S was ideal for that. Followed by the X which would be a higher demand vehicle than the S, and help do some proof of concept testing before making mass market cars. I think most startups work this way, no?
Alex I don't think you would choose the Mustang over the model Y. Why ? Because the Tesla Supercharging network has no comparison and that is very important. If you decide to take the "5" to LA and you lock the cruise in at 65mph you probably will get a 300 mile range.
Alex, too much speculation on the Mach-E and a third row seat. Please wait until the real things are available for test. I'm looking forward to the VW ID.4, but wait till you can drive one before you talk much about it. I think the reduced cargo space and poor rear view visibility in the Model Y for the sake of a small improvement in wind resistance is going to silly extremes. I'd rather have a RAV4 Prime; enough electric range for average commute, unlimited range with 5 minute fill-up, and much better cargo space. 🙂
I didn't think the third row discussion was overly speculative. He only talked about what was in the reveal photo and what he could discover by physically sitting there himself.
as far as the visibility/aero tradeoff, that's the great thing about lots of vehicle options! I too would be more likely to have a rav4 prime. while I would rather drive the Tesla, the Prime is SO DANG CHEAP.
@@bob15479 The tesla for a luxury brand, the interior is filled with cheap materials. The M3 is a cheap trash interior and has no heat pump while other vehicles that are cheaper have it. All the stuff had already existed and tesla only markets it better. Panel gap issues too for a price tag that large.
It looks not much roomier than a sedan. Disappointed. And, I'm glad you talked about towing efficiency. Every video I've seen of people towing 2000 lbs with a Tesla reduced their range by 2/3's. Towing with an EV is an exercise in frustration.
Like most manufacturers, Tesla doesn't give separate EPA ratings for optional wheels. I wish the EPA would close this loophole so buyers knew what to expect. Real world range will of course be different. I expect Model Y will be similar to Model 3, where the optional larger wheels reduce range by about 20 miles. So factor that in when designing your Model Y.
The claimed EPA range is using standard regen setting. And that's the default setting. Changing to low setting with no regen on brake pedal may hurt the range.
@@kevinchung1492 Watch someone do a real world road trip in a Model Y Long Range here ruclips.net/video/7a6z0a6RyhQ/видео.html I think there's something not right about this particular Model Y Long Range that Alex on Autos has been testing.
No, since there is limited stopping in the range test it has essentially no impact on the numbers. Regen braking even in ideal settings has a very minor impact on range.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide - not sure that is correct on regen. There is reason that heavier regen is called "Normal" on the Tesla. It is to bias you to use it to "normally" drive the car. Also, electrek.co says people are seeing 30% range difference with and without regen. electrek.co/2018/04/24/regenerative-braking-how-it-works/#:~:text=Model%20S%20drivers%20have%20reported,to%20132%20miles%2C%20for%20example.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide I don't think those two understands. If you are regening all the time every time you let off the pedal you are losing energy and using energy to accelerate again. That is why Kias and Hyandais are better in this regard because of the option to change regeneration on the fly in addition to stronger regen. The same reason why other reviewers have also gotten longer range on Kias or hyandai EVs when compared to the base model 3.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Who would've thought that regenerative braking has a minor impact when there's limited stopping. It's almost as if regenerative braking works when you slow down and come to a stop like regular driving, the more you know
Charging, self driving and regular over the air updates/ improvements are huge differentiateos in favor of Tesla. Reviews must consider these aspects of an ev when comparing to Tesla. Winter range is also diminished by the effect on batteries of lower temperatures-not just hvac.
Just an FYI about the regen braking... You'd mentioned the regen only slowing or working to a certain point and that was all you'd get... I'd be curious to know what stopping mode you were using? If you have it set to "hold" the regen will take you all the way down to 0. That combined with normal regen and you'll never have to use your brake pedal but in quick stopping situations. Also curious what your efficiency #s you would have gotten using the "normal" regen mode. I'm sure their ratings take "normal" regen into consideration, not just light regen like you prefer to use.
In highway travel regen is a non issue because you're not braking. Also, in general terms coasting is more efficient than regen, so rather than keep at 45 until the last minute and regen, coast a long way back and that's more efficient. What I mean by the braking being "thats all you get" is that when you press on the brake pedal you don't get additional regen as you do in most EVs.
I bought TM3 dual motor. I’m retired and couldn’t qualify for federal (false) incentive but did get the $5,000 CO incentive. Overall from Tesla-fi I get over 100% efficiency, as high as 178%. I got the FSD package at $6,000 due to some vision impaired issues, however I’m legal to drive. I cannot tell if light is green or red so not able to drive at night. When they activate full stoplight functionality where I don’t have to step on peddle when green. I love it, keep back seats down 90% so I have superior rear mirror viewing. Costs 11 cents per kWh or about 2.8 cents a mile. Only negative is I was promised the 2 year free charging for taking delivery in second half of last sept and Tesla took it away and after several promises never applied it. It’s not a big $ deal but truly hurts Tesla’s integrity which hurts Musk’s integrity and image with broken promise.
Not sure I would even buy a full EV . . . I believe the sweet spot is an efficient plug-in hybrid with 30-40 miles of range on the battery pack. That would work well for me.
Alex, Thanks for the extensive review. I’m not sure Volvo fits into this picture (this brand often seems to be your go-to when discussing competitive options) just my opinion. I would go with the Model Y due to Tesla’s supercharger network. I heard nothing but poor reliability stories regarding Electrify America’s emerging network. Tesla appears to have at least figured out most of the common reliability issues assuring a higher level of stability for long-range driving. Rivian’s recent decision to build their own network seems to indicate Electrify America’s platform may not serve their clients well, thus negatively impacting their brand. I think competitors who use this platform will suffer a similar consequence.
Volvo is the only one in this segment that has a high-output PHEV, so for folks thinking about PHEV vs EV it's the most logical luxury brand as they have a PHEV version of nearly every vehicle.
Alex, Great review. So much useful information. Question: You say in the video that a more realistic range is 230 - 250 miles, quite lower than the 300+ reference range. Have you experienced or would you expect a similar reduction in realistic range vs the reference range for the EV competitors (E-Tron, IPace etc.)?
The biggest impact to range is speed. The faster you go, the more electrons used. If you have a lead foot, you will never get the advertised range. But there are many out there that come pretty close to the EPA range. Rain and wind can also decrease range, sometimes significantly. Still, I love my 2015 Model S85D!
H T, The model S is a big car. That said, mine does 0-60 in about 4.5 seconds (advertised is 4.2 seconds). I would not say it drives like a boat. Not at all. Mine is not a performance, but all my friends that have driven with me are amazed at how fast it is. I got a chance to drive mine in some mountain roads in California and it is a hell of a lot of fun to drive. That said, the 3 is smaller, lighter and more nimble. Still, I would not trade my S for a 3, I love my S. Reliability, I’ve had mine for 18 months and only thing that broke was a dead FOB. Tesla Ranger came to my house to fix it under my 4 year warranty (bought used from Tesla).
Alex, any reports on folks who have taken a tesla across country. Is it recommend to take a spear tire of one goes a road trip to perhaps national parks, etc.
Alex, you get bonus points for hopping in the back to show us the the third row room!
I got claustrophobic just watching him do that :O
They have had my $2500 since unveiling ha. My daughter and her BFF will love third row. Son and buddy in the middle. Tesla called to say I could get the 5 seater today. Told them I already have it in the 3 don’t call again till my 7 seat Y is ready for pickup. Or me Cybertruck HA!
@@heinekenswordfish After riding in the third row of an audi the other day, I can say that one actually looks pretty good.
Note: the rear camera can be left on at all times, giving a great view.
Yes sir! I use the camera in my Model S all the time. In my opinion, it's much better to see what's behind you and the quality is awesome.
Can't use the rear view cam and the nav at the same time yet, though if not for a Model S/X. Maybe in the future it will be possible but for now it's not a really viable option
Aloys Garnier de Kermerc'hou learn your directions then. You driving somewhere new everyday ?
I don't know why this isn't available on all vehicles. I wish I could use my backup camera pretty often even though I'm moving forward or sitting neutral.
@@Mike-wc3jo it's a matter of UX.
No flame suit required, your review is fair and objective as always!
Yes, but IMO very incomplete. Alex is testing the cars for 90's era. He actually said Volvo will have "more featuers" than Tesla.
This ignores the Infotainement, Autopilot and other software (Dog mode, Sentry Mode, Games centre) and constant OTA. They are a paradigm shift for auto industry. Analysing Tesla without focus on its software is missing a huge part of magic of Tesla's.
The comparison summary vs. competitors from Jaguar, Ford, etc. omitted Tesla’s ace in the hole - the supercharger network.
@@readyplayer2 The main reason for buying a Tesla for me. My Y is waiting for me to decide if I want a car payment!
I appreciate that your range test spent considerable time at 72 MPH. The majority of my miles are driven at 75 MPH, so it's good to know realistically how much range to expect from the Model Y in my situation.
in fact, I can't recall finding ANY hard touch plastics at all. Not even on the side of your leg where your leg touches
Well, you won't get great range if you drive with low regen mode, use the 20 inch wheels and basically drive without autopilot.
The claimed EPA range is using standard regen setting. And that's the default setting. Changing to low setting with no regen on brake pedal may hurt the range.
@@shankhadeepshome3982 Regen would matter 0 when discussing driving at 75mph. It's the drag from air that is exponential with speed
First time watching one of your videos.... Your depth, attention to detail, and delivery are superb. Wow. Thanks for the great review
As a Model 3 owner for 2 years, I wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone who tries to get into an EV. There are a lot of advantages when it comes to Tesla, the phone app that allows you to heat and cool the car remotely, the super charging network, the minimalist spaceship interior all set it apart from competition. :D
Remote heating and cooling isn't new. The Hyandais and Kias have a larger battery than the base model 3 and gets closer to the rated EPA range than the tesla in addition to the longer range. 99% of the time you would not be using the super charging network and that itself is bad for the battery.
@@AFlyingCookieLOL it's not just about the size of the battery, the chemistry and tech innovation also play a huge part in battery competition; not to mention Tesla is projected to announce its one million mile battery in its upcoming investor event which further sets the bar.
Further more i dont think your statement of the kia model having more real world range or closer to epa range compare to tesla can be backed by evidence. I would interested to learn more if you can provide them, the few articles i have read all concluded that model 3 and S are king of range.
Sources:www.whatcar.com/best/best-electric-cars-2020/n17000
www.greencarreports.com/news/1126906_real-world-highway-range-uk-test-lauds-kia-niro-ev-tesla-model-3
www.motor.no/artikler/elbil-rekkeviddetest-direkte-sommer-2020/
Sentry mode, over the air updates, auto pilots are all major selling point btw
They all have this. please know what your talking about
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Roger Smith if you drive a Tesla, you will realize the other cars are crap. Yes others can heat/cool. But they don’t have autopilot, they don’t have the power/performance, they don’t have all the features like a movie theater in your car with Netflix, they don’t have the wide supercharger network which is much more reliable than electrify America.
@@AFlyingCookieLOL this guys test is wrong on range, he needs to use Max regen and hold mode to get the correct range as epa. He is driving it like ICE cars.
Seats are straight from the Model 3, but in the Y they are on risers, so if you are tall your knees are not up so high. This also leaves room for rear passenger feet to fit under the front seats.
Model Y is a great because of all the knowledge Tesla learn from their previous cars. The pace of innovation from this company is out of this world! 🚀 ⚡️
just a mediocre car based on all the reviews
My Vote is for the Tesla Model Y. After owning two Tesla Model S's, it's hard to image life without autopilot, software updates, or that acceleration.
If they'd built this first, the rest of them wouldn't be nearly as good.
Very true
It’s made out of panel gaps from all of the Model S, X and 3.
I seem to be an outlier--prefer a car in general and M.3 in particular but i usually drive alone, handling/performance is my priority, not acceleration so much as all have plenty but range, efficiency....
I think it is more that the sedan Model 3 would not have sold as well. And Tesla needed the model 3 to sell well to fund operations and the design of the model Y. Also, having the Model 3 out first meant they had a platform from which they could take learn how to manufacture at larger scale, and use parts from the Model 3 for another high volume car, namely the Model Y My guess is the Model Y will strongly outsell the Model 3 in any market where they are both sold.
actually if they would have built this first the rest would have been better from the mistakes they learn from this
Don't think you looked at all the astresks for the Mach E. The price tag you displayed is the lower range 75kw version and will have a range under 240 miles. The 99kwh version is similarly priced as the Model Y LR AWD
At this time, I’d pick Model Y mainly for the charging network and years of making EV. Ford still hasn’t made a single mass produced EV. I’ll reconsider after Ford makes a 2nd mass produced EV at the same time.
Agreed: fast charging infrastructure is a deal-breaker for any other EV except Tesla. Try to visit grandma 400mi away in anything else. In dead of winter / summer.
@Grizzy Bear That's a very good start. At least VW has some experience making EV for a few years. The Golf EV was quite nice but limited range and limited market (compliant vehicle) prevented it from being widely accepted. However, the charging network is more useful than people realize. Tesla has made charging more user friendly and seamless allowing long travel with EV much easier than other EV. I wish they all come together to build one giant charging network,
Grizzy Bear Yeah they’ve also teamed up with something called electrify America, but so far neither of these companies have produced an EV comparable to a Tesla whether we’re talking about the model 3, the model Y, the model S or the model X! So as far as I’m concerned, if you’re not driving a Tesla than you’re not driving the future! Tesla has delivered the future & they own the EV space & everyone else is playing catch-up & if they don’t get their heads in the game & get serious about competing in this space, not only will they go out of business, but they will be left on the side of the road as roadkill & no amount of money will be able to resuscitate them! The only place you should be able to see an internal combustion engine is in a museum! The future is electric! Game over!😱
@@theodorehaskins3756 I appreciate your view of Teslas, but many people simply cannot afford to buy a Tesla. $4,500 Down and $755 a month to buy a Model Y is tough to out of reach for many, regardless of their love of the environment. Plus the increase in insurance and yearly license renewal. I realized I would have to buy TSLA stock to be able to afford one.
@@ntphan Do True, When Tesla started planning and building the Supercharger network, they approached the other OEM's suggesting a joint venture/partnership and were laughed out of the room. Now pride prevents any sort of mutually beneficial collaboration
Ground Clearance comparison chart ftw, thank you!!
Thanks for the good review. I appreciate your detailed exp in ride, cabin noise, and real life range which I think a lot of reviewers gloss over.
I'm interested in this car but the overall fit, finish, and panel gaps are really bad. Waiting for the next year model when they work all of this out. You can tell this was rushed into production.
Keep in mind there's no "next year model". Just continuous improvements. Tesla doesn't go by model years.
Most of the reviews say that panels are much better than m3 in 2018. Paint though is a weakness. Although I will say that just about every bmw and Mercedes comes with gap issues yet nobody seems to mention them.
LOL you think it will improve next year 😂
@@InternetDude Yawn.
Tesla has had similar problems on ALL models for about a decade, so if you are going to make that a major issue, forget getting a Tesla. On the other side, word of mouth is amazing, which means overall quality is at least pretty good, or else owners wouldn't be recommending it to friends and family
"Can't charge on CCS"... it can be, with an adapter, like all other Teslas.
In US for fast charging, Teslas support only Chademo via an adaptor they sell (believe it goes upto 50kW). As of now CCS version is default for Europe only. Also there is a CCS adaptor for older vehicles shipped to EU but that doesn't seem to work for US version vehicles, software locked by Tesla.
The adaptor that comes with the vehicle is a J1722 adaptor for L2 AC charging.
Alex. Great review as always! I currently own a LR AWD Model 3 with performance upgrade and will be receiving my Y in a couple of weeks (for my wife) so this review is very timely. I reallllllly liked the Jaguar IPace, but as you pointed out, the infotainment system rivals the Acura in how poor it is...the lag is like death by a million razor blade cuts. I drove one for a few days and couldn't take it anymore despite having CarPlay available. Also, it's a Jaguar...the values are currently plummeting because they can't get rid of them...seeing 20k off of new ones. My local dealer had a slightly used one with 5k miles on it for almost 30k off. I almost bought it, but we weren't in agreement on FMV. While TESLA quality is arguably not any better, they hold value much better overall. Plus, really hard to pass up the improvements as you own it, which I think is HUGE now that I own a 3. It's almost an entirely different car from what I purchased a year ago. Last point, to make the other vehicles on the comparison chart on an even plane (for me) you need to bump their stereos up to the Burmeister or Bowers & Wilkins, to get it to sound as good as TESLAs...that's a minimum of 3-5k on some of the competition. Was hoping to like the Volvo XC60 T8 but disappointed that Volvo has forced folks to add options to get some safety that should be standard. Really Volvo?? Plus, that 4 cylinder engine does sound terrible when you push it, even if it's pretty quick...All that and the TESLA won out for me. But I would still love to tool around in the others.
Pete Galindez That is a lot of great information that helps me avoid doubting my Model Y order (after seeing this review). Thank you for sharing that.
@@Jbiglin I would also like to re-emphasize Alex's rating on the seats...while they look rather plain in comparison so other luxury seats, I'm shocked how comfortable they are. I had a hip replaced and bath arthritis in the other, so seats are right up there for me along with responsiveness and sound system in my cars. My 3 previous cars before this were a Porsche Boxster with standard seats, Audi Q7 Prestige (all but massaging function on them) and the BMW X5 with the 21-way adjustable seats, so I was very concerned about the Tesla seats. I have absolutely no complaints. For me, I don't even think about the seats, which is how you want them. I've had cooled seats before and they never live up to the hype (both cooled and vented types - make sure you know the difference!). I agree with Alex though, a thigh cushion extender would be nice, but for me not necessary. I would also prefer a heated steering wheel and wish Apple CarPlay was integrated. But, as it is a TESLA, there's always tomorrow's update that might add these things! Other than that, couldn't be happier.
J Biggs Go try an Audi Etron. Real quality car...If you can afford it (you seemingly can) it's a nobrainer.
@@KU-yo9ds Yes, but quality doesn't help if you ever think about going on a road-trip. It has an absence of long range and a dedicated fast-charging network. Also being able to afford a car, also depends on resale values, something which Audi isn't really known for
K U meh....have experience with both. I’ll stick with Tesla.
Alex, when will you review the Model X?? I can't wait.
By the way, there's no one on the planet that knows how to review cars thoroughly like you.
Excellent job!
If they aren’t going to give you an instrument cluster, then they could at least give you a heads up display! My wife has a model 3 and I hate not having a front instrument cluster!
Small corrections:
1. Adapters are available that will allow Tesla cars to be charged on other networks. You just plug the adapter onto the charging cable on the non-Tesla charging station.
2. There's a setting in the controls that allows you to adjust how sensitive the steering is and how forceful the feedback is, between Comfort, Standard, and Sport modes.
You can use the J1772 adapter to get level 2 AC charging at many charging stations, and there's a Chademo adapter available, but they don't offer a CCS combo adapter, so you can't do level 3 CCS DC fast charging.
There is no CCS adapter for any USA market Model 3. In Europe there is, but the connector on the car in Europe is different. The steering modes do not adjust the steering ratio, only the level of assist. The only steering rack with user adjustable ratios is the steer-by-wire rack in certain Infiniti vehicles.
Alex we like your reviews but I think your calling 121 mpg a "B" is not fair or correct., it's an A+++. I also think you should also compare the Model Y versus similarly priced ICE vehicles. I like the quick steering myself as well as a firmer ride so these are just personal preferences. We are awaiting our Model Y delivery so guess we'll see for ourselves. On the whole, I think you underestimate the virtues of Tesla and overstate the problems but I do appreciate your thorough reviews.
I was at a Honda dealer once with my Model 3 and a salesman asked me what MPG it got. I said about 120 and he thought I was joking. Most people don't understand the massive divide between even hybrid and EVs when it comes to efficiency. When comparing the Model Y efficiency to "2-Row luxury CUVs", it's definitely an A. Alex totally missed the forest for the trees.
B is fair for a vehicle that failed to get the advertised 121 MPG. In our testing the Model Y is less efficient than the Model S or Model 3. I can't give a vehicle an A when it failed to meet the window sticker numbers by this far.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide thanks for the reply but we'll just have to disagree. To me, all Teslas get an A++ for getting over 100 mpg, even if it's 80 mpg, it's far better than a Prius which is a smaller vehicle, rated at 55 mpg and I bet you would grade them an A on fuel economy. Your dissatisfaction seems rooted in the fact you haven't gotten the advertised range but even given that fact, the mileage is excellent especially considering the performance.
Now that we've had our Model Y, I wanted to update my comment. On the range, we are getting about 80-85% of the range. For us in Washington state, this means that the energy cost to power the Y is 6-10 times less than comparable ICE cars so I still maintain the efficiency in the market is the best of any crossover vehicle, ICE, hybrid or electric by a wide margin. Overall, I think this is the best car currently on the planet, we love it.
If you want an EV, one of the biggest arguments for the Tesla is their super charger network. Ford has none which means you would have to rely on other 3rd party charger stations which are not as capable, reliable or as well populated as Tesla's. So I would choose the model Y over the Ford in a heart beat on just that alone (I think there are many other arguments in favor the Y but that one alone is good enough).
This is tricky, because CCS chargers outnumber Tesla connectors by about 2:1 nationally and 4:1 in California. Now, not all of them are as fast as a SuperCharger station, not as easy to use, but "well populated" is a tricky statement since the number of cars to charge plugs ratio is actually much better currently for CCS than the Tesla connector because of the large number of Teslas sold. The layout of CCS connectors is quite different however since there's a plug here and a plug there rather than 20 in a bank.
Alex on Autos supercharger network is built in to the Tesla nav. You know exactly where they are, how many are available (in use) and functional. With third party chargers reliability is spotty at best and a pain to plan a trip around. When range anxiety is such a big thing with EVs, this is important.
I'm sure there was a lot of money saved by going button-free on the interior, but I really don't like it.
That's what I keep saying to people. Tesla doesn't strip the interior because "minimalism" works better, they do that to be as cheap as they can be. To cover that, they word the hell out it to affected tech snobs who think buttons are so "passé".
I was the same way at first. Came out of a Porsche that had a million buttons and I loved it. But, I have to say, I love it. Not on every car, but it works on the TESLAs. They did it right. No different than using my iPhone or any smart phone.
LOL. did apple save lot of money by removing buttons from iPhone? Its a different design philosophy. And almost all Tesla customers likes it once they use it a little.
Voice recognition has gotten so good that you can do most of the "things" buttoms used to do while driving.
I completely agree. The thing that bothers me the most is that there's no speedometer right in front of my eyes. But I think if I mounted my cellphone on the dash in front of the steering wheel and fired up Waze, that could do the trick (though I'd prefer a much larger font for the speedo in Waze so perhaps someone else makes a simple gps-based app to calculate and display the speed in giant font...?) Whadayou say people? Is there already such a thing? Or does someone feel like creating an app like this?
Jeff A there’s lots of aftermarket HUDs that plug into the port under the steering column
Just took delivery with a family member on a Y. 14 months ago I took delivery on a 3 and it was perfect. The MY, though a wonderful car, was delivered with numerous defects. No other manufacturer would survive with such careless production and delivery issues. Both cosmetic and safety. We, who care about Tesla and their future, need to put pressure on corporate to mature as a mainstream vehicle manufacturer.
Hi Rick, I think your comment would be more meaningful for other prospective owners if you listed the numerous defects. Especially safety related ones. If you have a chance, please post an update.
Did Tesla really assemble a perfect vehicle?
The Y was pushed out earlier than scheduled to meet the 2nd quarter numbers, hence the bad build quality. Thanks to the early adopters, TSLS stock went up astronomically.
@@CoralSea we call those paying beta testers!
Excellent review as always. In fact no one else comes close to the depth and quality of your reviews IMHO.
dat panel alignment on the frunk tho
Yep. It was pretty bad...
well, you know what you are getting on a tesla. My m3 has the same, weird panel gaps and uneven surface from one panel to the next. I would still buy this car again, just amazing tech.
Speaking from experience, the build quality is probably better on a low cost Toyota. Build is inconsistent, and paint is very soft for the first few months, as if it's not fully cured. However, even knowing what I know today, I would still buy the Tesla. Just set your expectations accordingly and decide if minor imperfections are a deal breaker for you. We all wish it was better, but it is what it is.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide The frunk lid is actually adjustable. There are two knobs on the inside of each side of the frunk lid, you can see them at 12:21. You twist them to adjust how tight the front trunk lid closes. If you make it tight, of course the panel alignment with look out of place.
I know. People would have ripped on Hyundai 10-15 years ago if their build quality was half as bad a Tesla's, now. Yet, somehow this is acceptable because it's an EV, it has an all glass roof, and it looks like an Apple Store on the inside.
Why does everything have to such a firm ride these days? I miss the 2000s; mainstream cars were much more comfortable.
Well for one the roads are worse, and cars have much bigger wheels and tires with less sidewall. I like controlled better than floaty personally but I get your point for sure.
I use to like cars floaty like an old Cadillac but now I like a more controlled stiff ride!!
Not everything does. Tesla decided to make the 3 and Y ride firm for whatever reason.
The irony is roads are worse today, so it's a double whammy.
Cars are heavier. Simple as that. As car companies head bigger and throw on more options, cars put on weight. More weight = stiffer suspension.
"70% of components sharing" statement should be taken relatively i.e. with 2019- Model 3 production and not with M3s before. Biggest difference would be Heat pump, octavalve, related thermal system, the casting, sheet metal etc. But the motor upgrade is the front induction motor which now uses an Aluminum Squirrel cage rotor instead of copper from before. This upgrade made its way into M3 in 2019 production year. Aluminum is cheaper, lighter but not as electrically/thermally conductive as Copper, but with some alloy mixture it can be made comparable enough.
Another great review, as always. So the real question: in the Model 3 review, you said you would have purchased and kept a Model Y if it were available at that time. Now that you have driven one, are you planning on buying a Model Y for yourself?
Ah, the $20,000 question. Since I'm not in the market now, no. But in 2 years.... It depends on what's out there...
Those RUclipsrs buy a 3 or Y to do a review and then sell it!
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@@AAutoBuyersGuidegiven what’s out there, along with current Model Y discounts, would you still get the Model Y?
Great video... the white does look great. I am glad you went in the back to simulate the row. The first and second row has so much space. I was amazed by the space my self.
Model y for sure. Supercharging is the key factor, as well as software updates and self driving is much better than anyone else.
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I would go for a Tesla.
Don't go at all 5 years from now you will be able to buy 100% more for half the price. Never buy that new TV when it first comes out. These E-cars are the same.
everything I've read so far on the Mach-E on pricing says and I agree that it will be just like a traditional 3rd party dealership model for pricing.... meaning that Ford won't really be controlling the price. The dealers will. It's almost certain the price will be pumped up to meet with the demand for the vehicle....It even says in the fine print when you've placed your reservation that it reserves the right to change the price as they see fit. I doubt you will ever see a "sticker priced" Mach-E... Thats the advantage with Tesla selling direct to the consumer...no price gouging. BUT that's just my opinion. :)
Yep, we really don't know how it will go. Expect discounts shortly after peak dealer markup however,
Alex on Autos oh...dealerships are doing their disgusting tactics.
electrek.co/2020/06/23/ford-dealers-marking-up-mustang-mach-e/
You're the best. No other reviewer physically evaluated a potential third row.
Don't forget the Significant advantage of the Tesla Supercharger network! I would buy the Tesla over the other options on this point alone.
...I have the Cybertruck Tri-Motor on order. That 500 mile plus range will be a game change. I feel the new battery day reveal will see that range increase to as much as 700+ miles (assuming Elon was not already building that future tech announcement into the Cybertruck's specs at launch), should see a 42% or greater increase in energy density.
The SC network is about location, location, location. However, this advantage is eroding slowly which is why I didn't spend time on it in this video (we cover it fully in others). CCS plug and stations outnumber Tesla SC connectors 3:1 nationally and growing. SC connectors held a huge advantage on interstates for longer distance travel but that advantage has diminished over the last few years and there is significant CCS presence on interstate routes at this time. In addition, cars per charge plug is much denser with SC now due to the sales success at Tesla. The main remaining advantage to SC at this point is that the stations are generally better maintained and average faster charge rates vs most CCS plugs.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide That is really good to hear. One other thing Tesla has though is the ability to check in advance how many chargers are functional or occupied. AFAIK the other networks do not provide this functionality quite yet. I am sure they will at some point in the future ofc.
Agreed on the value SC network provides. Having it built into the navigation makes it dead simple, it shows availability and reduced service locations to avoid, and there are no RFID cards, fobs, account logins - you just plug it in and charge - a major convenience.
@@OniMetsuki Electrify America, EVgo and others have online status using the mobile app. Use PlugShare.com to evaluate chargers on the planned route and then switch over to the appropriate app to check specific chargers.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Overtime CCS DCFCs will out number Tesla SC. Already Tesla SCs are overloaded not only in Ca but in some areas of the east coast.
Alex has a thoroughness that is almost incomparable.
Thanks for your review. It is nice to get thorough reviews while waiting for my bank stuff to process. I haven't been expediting the process because I wanted to see more reviews like this one. One surprising figure you gave was that the towing capacity was lower than the model 3. It kinda makes me think I should go model 3. However, I won't be towing that often.
I would check out the Mach E... However, it doesn't exist yet, and... the big one... The charging network. If any of the legacies want to have a chance at competing with Tesla they must either build out their own network like Tesla's or swallow their pride and approach Tesla for a license agreement.
Having owned both fords and Tesla’s over the years, I’m sticking with Tesla.
Ditto!
Even if the motors are updated, it wouldn't matter because that would mean the current Model 3's have those same upgraded motors. Tesla doesn't only upgrade their models once every few years like other brands, they upgrade every day.
We don't know that for sure. Tesla does have different motors in production simultaneously. For instance it took a while before the S got the upgraded 3 motors and the X still doesn't have them. They may have volume contracts on specific designs or need to amortize costs over a longer period.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide I'll give you that 🙂
When looking out the back, I kept thinking of that old movie "Up Periscope".
One of my biggest gripes too but maybe rear cam display OAU (Over Air Update) will mitigate that one day soon...still window views are crucial I don't want to rely on a functioning screen to drive properly.
Alex, you forget the big ace-in-the-hole: Tesla Supercharging Network. Ford is 3-5 years behind at least.
Elon already said other car companies can use Tesla super charge station with an extra charge of 4-5 c a Killawatt. It's coing to be less and less of an issue going forward.
Light regen will educe your range as well
also use hold mode to take you to a complete stop.
Very thorough review.
Good review, BUT when you review electric car you must also talk about max Ah charging and also that Tesla have the worlds best charging grid in the world. Thank you.
Alex is a cerebral reviewer. He addresses questions you are likely to have.
Tesla does lack necessary physical controls. I'm afraid it may cost them some sales. I had aspirations regarding the Y, but I am also waiting for the Nissan Ariya, VW ID.4 and maybe, the eTron. Reason? A needlessly austere cabin. It also needs to pay attention to quality, and not too much to FSD. Not many governments have said it is okay to drive on their streets without a human behind the controls. I would continue to work on FSD, but not as a priority. OTA updates are impressive, however.
The y hands down. But I'm waiting until March of 2021 to get one hoping they work out the bugs/designs.
I am still not in to pure electric vehicle, but if I am to choice one, I will go for the upcoming Ford Mustang Mach-E. I like the design of it and like the looks of the dash and instrument layout.
Excellent review as usual. I find your comments interesting on the steering's being somewhat twitchy. We have a 2020 Model 3 LR AWD, and for me, the car drives like it is on rails, but my wife drives like you describe...constant, small corrections. We both have the steering set at the least sensitive of the three settings in our driver profiles.
I love the quick 10:1 steering ratio of Model 3. It just means the driver need to make smaller movements, not more movements. The only time it causes a problem for me is when driving fast on bumpy highways, when bumps cause unwanted steering inputs. This only seems to be a problem when steering is set to Sensitive.
Dilbert, is that you?
Best car reviews!
Maybe I missed it but I did not hear about Tesla's supercharging network which is 2nd to no none. Every other EV is essentially a local drive car only. And then Over the air updates and continuous software improvement updates?
What is your definition of "local"? People have already driven from East Coast US to West Coast US in Chevrolet Bolts. It's not as convenient as doing so in a Tesla because they _do_ have a superior charging network, but putting down other EVs only hinders EV adoption.
@@sonicbhoc What tesla is doing is to make it proprietary like apple to force buyers. Once more public chargers are around it would be pretty much none-issue. Tesla fanboys = Apple fanboys
Nerium Oleander wrong. Teslas charging network was open to all manufacturers, but they ALL refused to help Tesla build it. So now they get to use slower pain in the azz systems as a result of their incredible stupidity. It’s number 1 because not only do the Teslas accept the higher charge, but the adapter is far superior than the clunky mess everyone else is building. Pulling out a credit card is as ancient as cash and super pointless. You sound like a fanboy of slow charging networks and clunky interfaces - doesn’t make you look good to cling to nonsense while calling fans of vastly superior tech fanboys. Teslas range and quick charging ubiquity are why they are absolutely slaughtering every other EV maker in existence. Bolts charge too slow and the range is a joke. Nice try though.
@@rickkay9548 how slow is "too slow"? Do you soak for every person who is considering buying an EV ever? How much range is "enough"? Do you know the needs and use cases for every driver on the planet?
There are people who for one reason or another will want a car that isn't a Tesla, and putting down other brands will likely just make those people not buy an EV at all.
If I couldn't have gotten a used Leaf I probably wouldn't be driving electric myself.
@Charles Christie I drive a 2019 Bolt and live in SE Iowa. High speed charging availability is very very poor. I could not make it to St Louis from Jefferson County Iowa. Driving to Kansas city looks borderline risky. Heading East to Indianapolis is very zig zagy and slow in if one charging station is out, then practically impossible. Heading West to San Diego--getting to and through El Paso and Las Cruces looks iffy or impossible. So yes the Tesla Supercharger network a huge difference. Regardless of what Ford and Chevy marketing PR may suggest--in the midwest High Speed charging stations are too sparse and are expensive.
My very first electric SUV!! Good job Alex.
I don’t think the federal tax credit should be applied to the vehicle car cost for comparisons because it is a non-refundable tax credit. It only applies to a tax liability. If you owe no additional tax when you file, then there is no additional credit according to the IRS.
I would generally agree, however Tesla was a big proponent of listing prices after tax credit so it seems fair here.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide OK, good review, it helped me scratch the Model Y off of my list of EVs to consider this year.
It’s fun to compare the Y to the Mustang, but since the Mustang doesn’t exist yet, I don’t really see the point. Maybe one should wait until you have an actual Mustang to drive/look at before making any comparison.
I've driven the Mach E already and it is already in production.
Well...put up your test on the Mustang then. We would love to see that one.
Most thorough review on Y I have seen including competition details.
One more thing to consider is the charging network. Tesla's can charge at Superchargers as well as ̶C̶C̶S̶ Chademo stations with an adapter. No other brand offers such a broad choice of charging options.
I would buy in this order:
1:Tesla Model Y - the sweet spot of price, size and innovation
2: Audi - the best interior and build quality
3: Volvo XC40 EV - Not yet available, looks promising
4: Mercedes EQC - Not yet available in US, not a "clean-sheet" ev
5: Ford Mach e - Not yet available, good dealer coverage
6: Jaguar I-pace - Expensive, woefully inefficient, nice interior on upper trims
7: Volvo XC60 PHEV - burns gasoline, nuff said
There is no CCS adapter for the Model 3 or Y in the USA.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Whoops, meant Chademo
@@naarealy CHAdeMO is an abandoned technology in the USA really. Kia left the party leaving Nissan's Leaf the only full EV with native CHAdeMO support. CHAdeMO is considerably slower than CCS/Tesla and there are fewer plug out there vs CCS. At the moment adding CCS into the mix isn't really a major selling point IMHO. Going forward we see around 100x more planned capacity for CCS vs CHAdeMO and all major brands but Nissan have pledged CCS support (Even Tesla in a way since they have CCS compatible models in the EU.)
@@AAutoBuyersGuide I agree that CCS will become the dominant standard. I'm on the east coast, almost all the CCS stations also have Chademo. I believe in order to get state grant money, they are obligated to make it accessible to "everyone".
you don't talk about the Tesla supercharger network which is unmatched by the competition, also not having the regen at max, means you are losing out on efficiency, using the traditional breaks is wasting energy. Otherwise great and solid review
We've spoken about the SC network in the past, it is less of a competitive advantage at this point as CCS has been growing rapidly and now outnumbers SC connectors in the USA by 3:1. In our range test the regen setting has no effect since 90%+ of the stopping events are regen only and there is very little stopping in the range test. (check out the video)
I'm still waiting for an ultra long range (~600 miles) compact variant.
Would bankrupt All other car companies if they release this. I think they're holding back on purpose. They're colluding together to help each other out to survive. Current battery technology can definitely go 500 miles for sure
Thanks for another complete and well-balanced review. Tesla does offer a fire mitigation option in case of flame-thrower attacks.
How about an additional efficiency test using the default "Hold" regen mode? It seems like this might make a difference since you note having to use the friction brakes more.
Sandy Munroe (Munroe Live) has already taken one completely to bits and discussed it on their channel.
Improvement over 3 but not luxury.
@@normt5463 Tesla doesn't have to try and own the whole market, different people have different taste's and needs, there is room for many others who can satisfy the demand from those who want different to what Tesla offers
@@j.pgoodwin9020 luxury auto companies do not own the whole market. Tesla is more premium than luxury.
I think the Mach E is more appealing, because at least it has a Dash Board, and a little style...
The back end is too mustang for me in that car.
Direct copy of the Tesla one screen philosophy.
The steering has three options in the touchscreen: Comfort, Standard and Sport modes, did you try other modes? As far as your mileage efficiency, if you had used the full regen mode (that most Tesla drivers to include myself use) than your kilowatt per mile would have been much improved. The Model Y was the first Tesla to incorporate a heat pump, which is much more efficient than the Tesla Model 3, X and S, this also greatly improves range the range in the Tesla Model Y. Tesla has added the side view cameras when backing up and will be adding the *Birdseye* view in a OTA software update. Thank you for your informative review.
If you want to see what's going on the back keep the rear camera on and as far as the steering what one of the three settings was your car in?
Teslas do not have adjustable steering ratios, the "quickness" of the steering is ratio based, not effort based. This is not a steer-by-wire system like in some Infiniti models where the ratio can be adjusted.
Alex on Autos My M3 has 3 Steering Modes COMFORT, STANDARD, SPORT and I can feel a difference between all three!
I picked a Y. Best car I've driven so far. It will keep getting better too, over time.
You tested the range using the light regenerative mode instead of normal? Knowing the brake pedal doesn't regen you didn't put enough power back into the battery and that's why you only have 225 mile range! Yes it still would not have 315 mile as claim but not that far apart when using normal regen as designed.
The regen setting would not have made much difference. In the EPA test cycle, any regen only improves things by 5%, or less of an impact than running the A/C. Second, all our decel when stopping in this video was largely within the regen abilities of the Model Y in standard mode, we didn't use the brake pedal much at all. Even being as liberal as possible with estimates, in this test it is unlikely to have made even a 1 mile difference in range.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Would still be nice to test the real world difference between low vs standard driving the same route.
@@kevinchung1492 In our Model 3 (we no longer have it) it made no difference at all , we tested it both ways. If you were in lots and lots of stop and go, then it would make more difference, but in our drive route, zero.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Ok thanks for the explain and testing
According to the manual and the car's option menu regen setting in HOLD mode is most efficient and will slow the car to a stop and apply the brakes. The stronger regen is often more efficient in my experience unless you keep a very long following distance to ensure you never use the brakes.
Mach E isn't released yet so all we know about it is what Ford wants us to know. It might be a worthy Model Y competitor, but we won't know until it's here. Also, isn't the Polestar 2 coming out at around the same time with roughly the same price point?
Polestar 2 is a sedan, more of a model 3 competitor. As to the Ford, I’ve driven it, it exists. It’s not on same however like the SR and 3-row Model Ys aren’t on sale yet.
@AlexOnAutos I currently own a T8 XC60. Curious as to which you prefer. Thanks as always for your reviews and thoughts!
Hi @Alex on Autos, so model 3 SR and this Y seems to have the same ride score of C-. Will you say ride on the Y is jarring and not comfortable ? Is it more comfortable compared to the 3's you were in ? Assuming you had 45 PSI all around for this test. Also others opinion is Y is quieter, did you feel that ?
No, it was less comfortable than the SR Model 3.
You can find some pretty substantial discounts on the i-Pace and e-tron at the dealerships. I won't be surprised if Mercedes lowers the MSRP on the EQC or offers significant discounts.
I pay $350 per month on my Chevy Bolt lease--only put down $1,700--which included the first payment..
I own one and I appreciate your video, a great overall review. Thanks.
I'm surprised you've never reviewed a Model X, I was looking here to see how you'd rate compare its quality to other luxury SUVs since you've reviewed so many of them
I would most definitely go for the Tesla, with the autonomous options
Excellent, thorough video as usual, Alex! The one thing I think you ignored in your comparisons, to the detriment of the value calculation, is the existence and availability of Tesla Autopilot. Although lacking in some features I really want (ventilated seats, more comfortable bolsters, matte options, etc.), I’d still buy a Tesla over the near competitors due to the ability to get and use Autopilot. I want a car that can take the workload off of me more than I even want an electric car. This makes Tesla more attractive than some of the other options, even if they cost less. That’s my only complaint with the video. Thanks for your hard work, as always!
Remember that Auto Pilot is a hands-ON the wheel system. The only hands-free driving aid at the moment in the USA is Cadillac Super Cruise.
Alex on Autos Yes, I’m very aware, which is why I called it a system to reduce workload rather than a self-driving system. Still, having used it, it’s a huge boon to the value calculation of any Tesla.
Waiting on your comparison of Y vs Mach-E. Especially on initial build quality.
I saw a Jaguar I-Pace for the 1st time yesterday which was driving along beside me. Got a good look at it from several angles, including directly behind. The I-Pace didn't do a thing to stir my interest in checking one out further. Based on their dismal sales, it appears that the general public largely agrees. The Porsche Taycan IS a beautiful car BUT the price is exorbitant for a device to move your butt from Point A to Point B. Now Byton is apparently dead and Volkswagen appears to be having major software challenges. Keep bringing those Tesla killers on!
Well an honest review. Wish you had touched on where the 3rd row seat, seat belts would attach? Seems like it would be very awkward. Secondly, nitpicking a little, you kept referring to your 4.9 second 0-60, whereas you you used the competition's time as posted. You should have used Tesla's official number.
That said, I will get my Long range Model Y early Oct, 2020. And no, I would not even consider any of the other EV's you listed. Mostly because of the number of charging stations and over the air updates, not to mention the full self driving availability. The others are miles behind. So I realize the Tesla is not faultless, but the good outways the bad by a long shot.
Looking for the full range test? It's here: ruclips.net/video/p9D55YZE86Q/видео.html.
As to the ever popular "why don't you cover" questions: The video is 29 minutes long. Covering more would have made it an hour. We have to draw a line somewhere. SuperCharging is covered in other videos, the software (OTA) and AutoPilot as well. Frequent watchers will notice we don't spend time on charging networks in other EV reviews and we don't generally comment on hands-on semi-autonomous driving aids like AutoPilot, Pilot Assist, Pro Pilot, etc.
Any thoughts on doing an efficiency test in the default "Hold" regen setting, aka one-pedal-driving? Tesla increased their EPA rating when they added that mode, and the heavier Model Y may benefit more from stronger regen.
How much a month to operate if you charge at home? 1,000 miles a month, insurance for a 45-60K car? plus, there really are maintenance costs, not cheap. I pay about $150 a month to drive my 6 speed manual 17 Civic Si 1,000 a month and it's paid off.
Wakey Wakey. Model 3 and Y are both mass market numbers. New production strategy. Model 3 demand big enough to test the production machine but not as much of an ordeal as the Y with 3 to 4 times the demand. Elon may be bold but he sure ain't stupid.
A 300 mile range Mustang Mach E prices out at $56,000. Tesla Model Y with 316 mile range $53,000. (Choosing bigger wheels on the Model Y will cost you range miles.) Soon Teslas should have a range increase to 400 miles.
Alex: My WAG on why they didn't build the Y first is due to a few factors. #1, building to the best product. If they started with the Y, I don't think TESLA had the capability to produce the numbers they would have needed to in order to meet the demand. Hence, start with a low volume product as your first one. And, price, if you are going to start with a low volume product as you first one, you need to make $$$$$$ on them in order to fund the continued growth toward mass production. The S was ideal for that. Followed by the X which would be a higher demand vehicle than the S, and help do some proof of concept testing before making mass market cars. I think most startups work this way, no?
Alex I don't think you would choose the Mustang over the model Y. Why ? Because the Tesla Supercharging network has no comparison and that is very important. If you decide to take the "5" to LA and you lock the cruise in at 65mph you probably will get a 300 mile range.
Unlikely. On US 101 at 65 the range was far less. Check out the range video. Also, CCS DC stations outnumber Supercharger stations at the moment.
Alex, too much speculation on the Mach-E and a third row seat. Please wait until the real things are available for test. I'm looking forward to the VW ID.4, but wait till you can drive one before you talk much about it. I think the reduced cargo space and poor rear view visibility in the Model Y for the sake of a small improvement in wind resistance is going to silly extremes. I'd rather have a RAV4 Prime; enough electric range for average commute, unlimited range with 5 minute fill-up, and much better cargo space. 🙂
I didn't think the third row discussion was overly speculative. He only talked about what was in the reveal photo and what he could discover by physically sitting there himself.
as far as the visibility/aero tradeoff, that's the great thing about lots of vehicle options! I too would be more likely to have a rav4 prime. while I would rather drive the Tesla, the Prime is SO DANG CHEAP.
@@bob15479 The tesla for a luxury brand, the interior is filled with cheap materials. The M3 is a cheap trash interior and has no heat pump while other vehicles that are cheaper have it. All the stuff had already existed and tesla only markets it better. Panel gap issues too for a price tag that large.
It looks not much roomier than a sedan. Disappointed. And, I'm glad you talked about towing efficiency. Every video I've seen of people towing 2000 lbs with a Tesla reduced their range by 2/3's. Towing with an EV is an exercise in frustration.
Like most manufacturers, Tesla doesn't give separate EPA ratings for optional wheels. I wish the EPA would close this loophole so buyers knew what to expect.
Real world range will of course be different. I expect Model Y will be similar to Model 3, where the optional larger wheels reduce range by about 20 miles. So factor that in when designing your Model Y.
Actual range and efficient really disappointed me, how about comparing Model Y with RAV4 Prime?
The claimed EPA range is using standard regen setting. And that's the default setting. Changing to low setting with no regen on brake pedal may hurt the range.
@@kevinchung1492 Watch someone do a real world road trip in a Model Y Long Range here ruclips.net/video/7a6z0a6RyhQ/видео.html
I think there's something not right about this particular Model Y Long Range that Alex on Autos has been testing.
@@hchchc22 Or there is something wrong with Alex ;-)
This is such a great car , no real competition exist !
Isn't the Ariya releasing soon as well? Would be interested in a comparison between the ariya and the y or ariya and the mach e.
Oh, you think Nissan won't go bankrupt? Interesting concept
@@BrandonWood44 Nissan isn't going anywhere anytime soon. But i am more interested in the I.D.4 right now.
I think your regenerative braking setting is affecting your range.
No, since there is limited stopping in the range test it has essentially no impact on the numbers. Regen braking even in ideal settings has a very minor impact on range.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide - not sure that is correct on regen. There is reason that heavier regen is called "Normal" on the Tesla. It is to bias you to use it to "normally" drive the car. Also, electrek.co says people are seeing 30% range difference with and without regen. electrek.co/2018/04/24/regenerative-braking-how-it-works/#:~:text=Model%20S%20drivers%20have%20reported,to%20132%20miles%2C%20for%20example.
Don’t think Alex understands Regen.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide I don't think those two understands. If you are regening all the time every time you let off the pedal you are losing energy and using energy to accelerate again. That is why Kias and Hyandais are better in this regard because of the option to change regeneration on the fly in addition to stronger regen. The same reason why other reviewers have also gotten longer range on Kias or hyandai EVs when compared to the base model 3.
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Who would've thought that regenerative braking has a minor impact when there's limited stopping. It's almost as if regenerative braking works when you slow down and come to a stop like regular driving, the more you know
Charging, self driving and regular over the air updates/ improvements are huge differentiateos in favor of Tesla. Reviews must consider these aspects of an ev when comparing to Tesla. Winter range is also diminished by the effect on batteries of lower temperatures-not just hvac.
Just an FYI about the regen braking... You'd mentioned the regen only slowing or working to a certain point and that was all you'd get... I'd be curious to know what stopping mode you were using? If you have it set to "hold" the regen will take you all the way down to 0. That combined with normal regen and you'll never have to use your brake pedal but in quick stopping situations.
Also curious what your efficiency #s you would have gotten using the "normal" regen mode. I'm sure their ratings take "normal" regen into consideration, not just light regen like you prefer to use.
In highway travel regen is a non issue because you're not braking. Also, in general terms coasting is more efficient than regen, so rather than keep at 45 until the last minute and regen, coast a long way back and that's more efficient. What I mean by the braking being "thats all you get" is that when you press on the brake pedal you don't get additional regen as you do in most EVs.
the exterior looks good but the interior.....looks very plastic....cheap ...i'm confused now
I bought TM3 dual motor. I’m retired and couldn’t qualify for federal (false) incentive but did get the $5,000 CO incentive. Overall from Tesla-fi I get over 100% efficiency, as high as 178%. I got the FSD package at $6,000 due to some vision impaired issues, however I’m legal to drive. I cannot tell if light is green or red so not able to drive at night. When they activate full stoplight functionality where I don’t have to step on peddle when green. I love it, keep back seats down 90% so I have superior rear mirror viewing. Costs 11 cents per kWh or about 2.8 cents a mile. Only negative is I was promised the 2 year free charging for taking delivery in second half of last sept and Tesla took it away and after several promises never applied it. It’s not a big $ deal but truly hurts Tesla’s integrity which hurts Musk’s integrity and image with broken promise.
Road noise and wind noise are very noticeable above 55 miles per hour on the Highway.
Not sure I would even buy a full EV . . . I believe the sweet spot is an efficient plug-in hybrid with 30-40 miles of range on the battery pack. That would work well for me.
Change the suitcase color to show a contrast against the black background of the trunk.
Alex, Thanks for the extensive review. I’m not sure Volvo fits into this picture (this brand often seems to be your go-to when discussing competitive options) just my opinion. I would go with the Model Y due to Tesla’s supercharger network. I heard nothing but poor reliability stories regarding Electrify America’s emerging network. Tesla appears to have at least figured out most of the common reliability issues assuring a higher level of stability for long-range driving. Rivian’s recent decision to build their own network seems to indicate Electrify America’s platform may not serve their clients well, thus negatively impacting their brand. I think competitors who use this platform will suffer a similar consequence.
Volvo is the only one in this segment that has a high-output PHEV, so for folks thinking about PHEV vs EV it's the most logical luxury brand as they have a PHEV version of nearly every vehicle.
Alex, Great review. So much useful information. Question: You say in the video that a more realistic range is 230 - 250 miles, quite lower than the 300+ reference range. Have you experienced or would you expect a similar reduction in realistic range vs the reference range for the EV competitors (E-Tron, IPace etc.)?
If you check out the I-Pace video you'll note that the fuel economy was horrific....
The biggest impact to range is speed. The faster you go, the more electrons used. If you have a lead foot, you will never get the advertised range. But there are many out there that come pretty close to the EPA range. Rain and wind can also decrease range, sometimes significantly. Still, I love my 2015 Model S85D!
@@rafacq Some people say the model S is fast but handles like a boat, is it true? Is it reliable?
H T, The model S is a big car. That said, mine does 0-60 in about 4.5 seconds (advertised is 4.2 seconds). I would not say it drives like a boat. Not at all. Mine is not a performance, but all my friends that have driven with me are amazed at how fast it is.
I got a chance to drive mine in some mountain roads in California and it is a hell of a lot of fun to drive. That said, the 3 is smaller, lighter and more nimble. Still, I would not trade my S for a 3, I love my S.
Reliability, I’ve had mine for 18 months and only thing that broke was a dead FOB. Tesla Ranger came to my house to fix it under my 4 year warranty (bought used from Tesla).
@@rafacq I'm thinking about a used model S too. It's funny that used model 3s are more expensive than new ones.
Alex, any reports on folks who have taken a tesla across country. Is it recommend to take a spear tire of one goes a road trip to perhaps national parks, etc.