The State of Overwatch
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This video is months old and hasn’t aged a day.
and that's where the [problem is, even Riot fixes things faster in league. It's an absolute disgrace, is Blizzard not seeing the game is bleeding to death????????????
@@danny7694 riot's making stupid fixes tho.
You're fucking right.
Ben I just got out of my placements for this season and 8 of my placements had throwers or hackers. I don’t want to play this game anymore it’s just not fun anymore
same man
*”I’m no longer looking at the gameplay, I’m just looking at what heroes my team are picking & choosing.”*
If this doesn’t sum up what it feels like to play Overwatch nowadays I don’t know what will.
chillinbrit mfff it’s been like this, obviously you want everyone to play a valuable comp, so making sure you construct one is part of the team effor..
Ctrl Alt Elite yes i KNOW its been like this and if you think your team will just switch when you ask youve clearly never solo queued. it’s a team effort, but you can’t always rely on your team to give you that effort.
I want a low elo player to say the the same things seagull said in this video and see how the overwatch community reacts to it.
I noticed it during the world cup at Blizzcon as well. You see the attacking team, at the beginning of the match, peeking what heroes the defensive team have, and then moving back to spawn instantly to change their own setup that better counters the defensive team. That's not fun.
This is like nearly every team game on the market these days. It's just the nature of competitive play. There will always be a best strategy and plenty of sheep to copy it, ain't no developer ever going to fix that.
It’s March 2020 and everything in this video still applies but with the addition of 10 minute plus queue times
buhahaha xD
Don’t play dps
@@elite4049 true, but I think after role queue and hero pools, overwatch became more fun than before. Sure it still have some issues but it's way better than before
And Echo
Personally I think the state of the game really has improved in the last month!
I was in one of Seagull’s latest streams and someone asked if he would do another State of Overwatch vid and he replied saying that his ‘State of Overwatch’ video still applies today, so I came back to check it out again. I would have to say... yes it still applies today.
I have to agree. 100%
Still true
Yep... Still true. God, I hope they really, really take his video into consideration. Please listen to your fanbase, Blizzard.
@@llw1508 actually that's the reason why the game is in this state
I didnt play overwatch for like almost 2 years now, and im shocked. I just saw this video. Does it still apply to this day?
You're not alone in how you feel
preach it brother
yea i totally agree with the rock paper scissors thing,i love playing tracer and brig seems unkillable at times
KAR Q!
Easy fix a lot of people won't like once you choose a character for a round that's who you use for that round
Brigitte is just like the genji deflect vs Bastion in turret-form but she counters nearly the whole meta
You forgot to mention that, half the time your team is having fun, the enemy team isn't.
Xochitl I mean yeah, that applies to every game. When you’re winning you’re having fun, in which game you have fun when you’re losing?
Diego no you idiot In other shooters like tf2 when your losing you can still kill other players and have fun in overwatch when your losing it’s just you and your team getting killed over and over
@@diegolh you can still have fun losing a close around where everyone gave his best
@@diegolh Honestly, most good FPS games are still fun even when you lose.
@@mcfucknugget2673 Agreed.
Overwatch 2019 - Shoot each other's shields.
Tf2: Skills, aim, movements, prediction,...
OW: Q and Rule 34.
Boring as shit
Barrier meta will die very soon.
Lucas now say that again rein and orisa is meta now rip overwatch
@@drainxl3673 I meant DOUBLE barrier meta. It died as it should.
Aged like fine wine
This is the voice of a man going through some shit
lol
Holy crap, this is way more accurate than it should be.
It's the voice of someone passionate about the career choice they have chosen and not wanting it to continue to decline. The thumbnail speaks volumes, because it's an accurate representation of the player base and its decline.
666 likes, not gonna ruin it
there's no more counterplay, only counterpicking
but counterpicking leads to counterplay doesnt it?
@kahrs do you feel outplayed when your getting constantlyed ccd by characters like brig?
Rosance
TF2: (has an annoying scout, how do you deal with him?)
-Changing weapons
-Changing Strategy
-Mainly learning how that scout plays and knowing how to deal with him whilst still playing your prefered class
OW: (has an annoying tracer, how do you deal with her?)
-Changing to a different hero...that's it
You can counter every ult in the game with certain heroes (not even including supports) or just smart moves. Except tracer ult on top of u. Every hero in this game is annoying to play against if player is good.
And yes. Counterpicking is great cos u have to be smart to win. There is hundreds of videos like "dafraan 200iq" for a reason. If u dumb a f thats not the game problem
@@yellowtunes2756 counterpicking is not fun. it leads to a game death. if only certain character can counter certain character's ability then it's become very sad, because that means you don't have freedom to play what you really want, instead you have to listen to your team whole time like a slave, you becomes a slave to your team and to the meta. same thing in paladins. used to play it but paladins became more counterpicking so i left it. but in tf2 you can counter any class with any class. you just have to be smart with your strategy and change your class weapons. that's it.
"Ultimate abilities are too powerful Seagull says!"-blizz
Here's baptiste, his regular abilities are much stronger than ultimate abilities.
That's one character.
Thats where the game died to me, too much meta shaping bullshit, too many stuns , instagib, dive deathball, and some youtubers are just like a parasite to the game at a point they will say anything to save OW ( youroverwatch ) and not to share the “fix the game” mentality,it’s so bad games now cannot stay the same for over 3 months lol, “insert batman quote about being the hero/villan”
ermac was here that character is picked on most of my matches
Baptiste, yeah he he can make his entire team immortal,
That’s such a cool ultimate!
That’s not an ultimate that’s his ability, but he can healing everyone around him almost instantly including himself.
That’s his ability? He’s like a Lucio meets Brigitte that’s so cool
No no, that’s his other ability, his ultimate is a tiny square that no one on your team will shoot through and you wont even use, waiting for a perfect moment for 75% of the game, oh and any shield it’s immediately useless.
What the f$&%
Idiot with a computer and an internet connection like your name bro
This video hasn't aged a day
I'm sure these issues will be addressed once Overwatch is released on mobile.
MechanoidWarhead “do you guys not have phones???”
Ben Yang are there gonna be plans for a overwatch 4?
Of course since then it will be pay2win and your ability to win won't be determined by how well you play but how much money you can dump monthly to get the new shit.
@@holygrandpas1141 Overwatch: Immoral
That really can't come soon enough. God I cant wait to play my old favorite games like OW, good old Diablol...
I feel ya man. I honestly go full weeks without playing the game just because I can't be bothered logging in just to get tilted off the face of the earth
I have been playing competitive games religiously for 7 years now. Overwatch actually pissed me off so much last season that I bought Cities Skylines and have been loving it. So thank you Overwatch, for being so fucked that you let me discover other great games
Same. just come to check out updates like reworks and thicc new characters
I also agree with your points
@@JGunn ROFLMAO
@@loulei9339 I got it through humble bundle (aka really cheap). But it's one of those games that can get really expensive if you get all the dlc, check out some videos before buying if you're curious,
As a casual player in general, I just feel like Overwatch isn't a game where you can play and have fun. I feel a lot of that has to due with how Overwatch seems less reliant on player skill and more about who just happens to have picked a certain hero. I want to play as Winston? Too bad, there's a Reaper on the other team, so I better switch if I don't want to feel absolutely useless.
In games like Team Fortress 2 and Titanfall 2, the skill ceiling seems so much higher. A Scout should be ripped apart by a Heavy, but a skilled Scout player can win without getting hit once. In Titanfall 2 the grenadier weapons like the EPG should be at a huge disadvantage with all the hitscan weapons, but a skilled player can fly through the environment to get quick, airborne kills with it.
Here's some words from Robin Walker, the co-creator of Team Fortress. It's taken from an article titled "Threating the Needle: The Making of Quake Team Fortress" on Shacknews.
_"Fundamentally, we had a design for 32 people who don't know each other-and who probably won't know each other again after this game-and they're all going to have their own individual goals, and a small view of everything going on. Our goal was to make it so that as they all individually and locally optimize for their experience, optimization at the team level falls out of that."_
_"They could look left, look right, and see teammates doing some stuff and go, 'Man, we're working well as a team,' even though we started with the base assumption that they were all ignoring everyone else, because it turns out that's the way most players work."_
_"A medic is an obvious class to build if you're trying to have people care about each other. But this is the core problem of multiplayer game design: You're trying to get a bunch of people to work together as a team, but they want someone else to play Medic; they want someone else to defend the base."_
_"The Demolition Man had a tool we used in a bunch of maps that let him alter the map. He had a big bomb, he could go put it somewhere, if it blew up before the enmy stopped it, it would destroy a wall and his team could get through."_
_"We didn't keep that concept in TF2 because we kept finding that it was a perfect example of everyone wanting someone else on the team to do that."_
_"At a design level, you were constantly torn between providing enough value to that type of scenario so that when someone does it, the team is rewarded and happy, but not such that everyone feels like 'We're screwed if someone doesn't do it, but I don't want to do it, so I'm going to jump into Demoman, do it, then flip back to the class I actually want to play.'"_
_"We didn't like making players make that kind of choice."_
@@HyperShadic0 I think what I dislike about the decisions made for Overwatch from a design standpoint is that it functions more like a MOBA than a shooter. The heavy reliance on abilities being available to be useful works in an overhead game like say, DOTA 2, but just doesn't feel nearly as good when you have full movement in a shooter.
Team Fortress 2 strikes a very good balance between teamwork and individual skill, while Titanfall 2 is still unmatched in the freedom it's movement system offers, giving it a very high and rewarding skill ceiling.
Titanfall 2 is really slept on. I mean, the Titan v. Titan combat is what Overwatch should have become. Using your abilities and your skills in tandem to take down an opposing titan is the best feeling ever. Abilities aren't overpowered nor are the weapons.
As someone who really likes playing widow, as soon as I see the enemy team has genji/Winston I just run back into spawn. Trying to play against a Winston as widow is just horrendously unfun with 0 counted play.
Even gold Winston’s know to spin around when jumping you so you can’t headshot them mid jump. Throw down shield, take 80% of your HP, you grapple away, their jump is already nearly off cooldown, and they jump you again before you can get healed.
Where’s the fun in that? And try to complain about it anywhere? “Just switch off widow idiot lol” ok but I want to play widow. A counter is supposed to make your job difficult, not impossible.
I wonder if the people in this comments section realize how pathetic they sound using sr as an insult. You're all wearing your insecurities on your sleeves. What you're doing is akin to screaming "I have no life, friends, or confidence," into a speaker.
their's more overwatch porn than players these days!
@@AnymMusic lol
@@AnymMusic so damn true
The porn is straight up just better in every way
God thats not gud
@@TonyWitDaChoppa True. Very true. It's nice to see where Big Companies fail, Artists are there to pick up the pieces.
I wanted to leave a witty or insightful comment, but honestly, I don't have anything to say other than this is exactly what I've been feeling for the past few months. I used to be able to sink hundreds of hours into a single competitive season and play all the time, but now I just feel so powerless at times that I can barely play more than 4-5 games at a time.
Overwatch has always been interesting to me because of the fact that despite there being strong counters, there was always a way to outplay. No matter what, you could've always done something to prevent your "counter" from countering you, which felt amazing. That's what makes so many players not enjoy playing against Brigitte, Doomfist, Sombra, etc. Especially as a main tank player, my gameplay has gone from mental games versus the enemy's main tank, trying to bait ultimates and set up big plays with our positioning, to simply holding w and not getting angry when control is taken away from me. For most heroes, that definitely feels like the case as well; you don't have so much counterplay as you do hard counters.
I really do love Overwatch, I spend hours and hours thinking about this game and making content for other people to improve and find the enjoyment I have from playing, but now honestly its getting more and more difficult. I realize that I've spent more time creating content in one week than I have playing comp in 1 month, which really scared me and made me realize that I don't enjoy Overwatch anymore.
I just wish Blizzard would come out and say, "We realize we haven't had our priorities straight, we're going to start focusing more on the part of Overwatch that the community cares about, and we're going to start by doing _____". It feels like something drastic like that would at least help some of the lost content creators and community members to return, because more and more each day I want to play less and less.
But either way, my comment kinda just feels like I'm repeating what you said in the video, but after all I just wanted to leave my remarks here. Much love from BG
Wise words, as a player in plat, i dont have those problems
I remember when they would bring on pro players to give tips on how to outplay certain hero counters like tracer vs McCree or Widow vs Winston and they would actually be extremely helpful and they made it easy for players all across the ladder to practice and perform in actual competitive games but now there is absolutely nothing players can do because they just keep putting hard counters in the game making overwatch a game of playing what's meta rather than picking a hero you like and getting really good and succeeding
its hard for them to come out and say that when we would ALL AGREE they have been beyond on top of things. if anything they've almost created a perfectly balanced game with constant tweaks and community input. Jeff is a shining image for other companies with his video updates. so i doubt after all their tweaks... changes.. balances... big hero overhauls. that they will finally also come out and say HEY alert, alert, alert. everything is gonna change bc its just WACK! we hear ya! the numbers of players is going down the tubes so heres our wild plan to appeal to everyone! *makes very boring update that does make seagull's wishes come true but no one really cares or notices*
then their esports has teh potential fail in this new meta
Blizzard Guides Anyone who learns tracer past season 8 probably agrees, as fo my self
Blizzard Guides i want to watch this video in 2-4 months and say yeah, im glad this is over!
Getting countered in TF2: You're at a disadvantage, but you can still potentially win/escape with some good aim and maneuvering, or by changing your loadout if necessary.
Getting countered in Overwatch: Die faster so you can respawn as someone else.
Or get a random crit
does tf2 even have hard counters? i cant remember to ever get into situations in wich my loadout was so bad that i had to change more than one thing.
@kingmark210 probs better than competitive ow imo
@@Irobert1115HD in comp most get banned but in casual or non ban comp you have things like razorbacks that hard counter the spys backstab or the spycicle which counter pyro for a few seconds.
@@Irobert1115HD Yes it does, for example, engineer hard counters scout, sniper eats heavies for dinners and pyro rapes spies.
Just revert OW back to right when Ana was released. Boom perfection.
I went back to TF2 after quitting for 2 years. OW is just downright frustrating nowadays.
Wow i miss those days
Orthane tf2 is broken af too
@@danielzhang877 Not really. The lagbot crisis has been snapped from existence.
Regarding TF2, I hope the current round of exploits from the source code leak get fixed. Cheers
Fixed ;)
This has aged like fine wine.
definitely
I wish it didn’t apply still
@@bluestitchgaming3390 That means it aged like milk then
Wow Seagull... You could not have hit the nail more on the head.
lol theres the same phrase in german, but i didnt know its in english too xD
Seagull ty for the video, we all feel the same ... i hope blizzard listen to you
BlessRNG
dont worry they wont
but what can they do now?
Tru. U just said aloud what we all was thinking of but don't speak. As for me i just thought that this how the game was all the time and i wasn't feeling this before only because i have a poor expirience.
Sorry for my bad English D:
They do have phones don't they?
Tragic you bring up the ultimates being too powerful with Echo being a character now and able to just spam ults of any kind.
She has many counters such as sombra mcree solider Ashe reaper and dva if u counter her she sucks
@@ambience8400 this video literally talks about Pharaoh, yes hitscans counter her, but you can work around it. With echo, she's Pharaoh on steroids, more maneuverability, more burst damage, and her ult is amazing if not broken if used right, she doesn't suck
@@ambience8400 echo. the character that can really easily stay in the air, gets countered by Reaper? excuse me? and Sombra, even if she hacks Echo, Echo can stil burst her down if not boost further away during the hack. mcree, soldier, ashe, and maybe d.va ok. those are counters to Echo. Reaper and Sombra? are you serious?
@@AnymMusic i can see why Sombra but Reaper is not really the best counter
@@whyhe11othere agreed between those two, Sombra is the biggerone
"Good games are really good and bad games are really bad" SO TRUE
Hmm, yes, the floor is made out of floor.
You miss 100% of the buses you dont take
This game is so oversaturated with stun. Tf2 is a more casual oriented game yet they still nerfed down the sandman which was the only stun weapon in the game
HashSlingingSlasher you mean besides the huntsman the ubersaw and basically the Natasha and airblast in general? Believe me tf2 has a lot of even dumber ideas as well as the same problems this game has. They’re just hard to notice through rose tinted glasses
@@Neogears1312 Got to love the TF2 fanbase. The pyro sucks at everything and life but his situational airblast is to powerful even though he is supposed to excel in close combat when the scout can do it better.
It's not the only stun weapon
*TF2 is better*
CC is not fun..
The only thing keeping this game alive is the porn.
But it's good porn.
WeeWoo Pharah is still the best girl 😇
Yeah, everytime.
Another reason for that, is that I can't really play this game because it's P2P, since I played 1000+ hours of F2P games like TF2 and CS:GO (it's now F2P since 2018)
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Oh Yeah, you're on the right track. Altho it's sad in a way too.
4 years later nothings changed 😂
Fans: the game is dying overwatch!!!!!!!
Overwatch: we have an ace up our sleeve..
*soldier is gay*
Yea. it's just stupid SJW pandering. Tracer wasn't going to be gay in her initial design.
Igglyy • wait, wut? I don’t follow overwatch news, since I haven’t bought it.
what is with soldier gay?
@@andrewh2699 they made soldier gay for sjw pandering because game was dying.
Cleit
Waaa....
Blizzard=EA
@@cleit1802 Nah it's wasn't pandering. The way they handle it was quite nice. It was sutle and they didn't make a big deal out of it, something that is way better than Hollywood is doing rn. Plus 98% of the story was more focus on Ana.
We have 7 tanks
We have 6 supports
We have 16 DPS
How many DPS do we have in a 6 player META?
69 dps
SexySparta 4 according to my experience on ps4
Nice to see you here Sparta.
Never enough apparently
Brigitte DPS lol
i don’t even play overwatch
why am i here
same
loll same here too m8e.
yeah... idk why. same.
😎
Same I only play League online :P
Blizzard has legit become blind because of the OWL.
True
OWL is dying too, because of GOATS. Nobody wants to watch anymore. Audiences booing when the usual 3-3 comp shows up, every game.
@@PaulaJBean well they nerfed goats at what cost. the normal player experience has become hell now and they want to please the top 1% that can master 3-3.
I remember how much i loved this game.
when this came out, I really wanted to play this game.... I didn't watch comp, I watched the channel now known as Shootski, I fucking loved watching it, not only because of gameplay, but because of him and his friends, and I thought I could have the same experience, little did I know I had basically had no friends that played Overwatch. Just a fun story. Breaks my heart to see this game die because this had the potential to be the best game of the last decade (this reply was made in 2020)
@@electrorage4158 😔😔
I would play it up to 4 a.m
I feel this on a spiritual level
Oh hey
Oh hey glitch, I see you’ve found this depressing too.
What did he say? I'm not watching a 20 minute rant video. tldr?
big fan
@@damidnightgolfer Basically there shouldn't be hard counters. There should be some kind of finesse that allows one character to beat another. And that until brig came out Dive was played so much in the higher elos, but after brig, dive became almost unplayable. So he said that Dive meta, although it was everywhere, was much more fun than brig meta and that there are so many cc (crowd control) abilities that it makes the game unfun. I think at some point he may have mentioned how brig doesn't take much skill to play, but don't quote me on that. He also said that ults are too powerful and fights become "who has more ults"
Also, Hi Glitch :)
Thank you for voicing these problems on your platform!
I used to love this game, played for thousands of hours and even with most pros. Stoped played a month ago and feel about better about life. I miss the game and the season one feels, but I think this game is done. To many hero’s ruined it. To all who know me this is Treesus. It was fun playing with you all.. including Seagull and PvP.
U made me the goat junk i am today 😊
DON'T YOU GUYS HAVE PHONES!?! meme aside, during the blizzard quarterly thing they said they were planning on "monetizing" and getting all of their IPs involved in mobile gaming. we've just gotta be sure to give em the big FU when anything mobile comes around not let up till they get the message.
This game will be dead by next year
@@jackiechan3599 People said that on release lol, the game isn't good, it's just addictive in how it gets people emotionally charged.
crazy how this is from november and everything is still the same as always
And they freaking add another unkilable hero, but you can actually kill him if you pick that or this hero. BLIZZARD WHY?
I quit after Ashe. What did they do now?
@Jugo Sorry i didn't understand.
@@Sirveaux Add one or two heroes and that's it, wich means nothing.
@@TheLastEgg08 But Baptiste is pretty easy to kill, his immortality field is more of a short quick save. Its easily destroyable
what killed overwatch is simply removing the viability of having a "main". you cant fall in love with a character and their kit, and get ludicrously good at them, you cant go into a lobby and see someone maining a character and be like "that's an amazing _____ main" because the game has become rock,paper sissors, you have to play certainc haracters in certain matchups, and that just drains all the fun people originally got from overwatch, and thats why its dead. its sad, just genuinely sad how the game went from a fun chaotic collection of interesting characters in an interesting world andsetting to a meta that encourages complete adherence to counters, that encourages toxicity to anyone who plays the game for fun, or mains a nonmeta character. im posting this in july of 2020 and not SINGLE thing , not a single problem he's mentioned here has changed.
They added role queue which makes teammates and compositions less of a coin flip
Unfortunately its all about counter pick and not counter play anymore
on top of that creates an issue with the idea of having a main too, what if someone takes your main and you dont know how to play any other heroes so now you just are useless to the team unless you take the time to learn other heroes to be as good as your main
True bunbun, I love maining things in video games, I mained Mcree for about a year or 2 and the day I realized that I couldn't play Mcree just because of the counters and meta is the day I didn't feel like playing that game anymore.
Tell me about it. Pretty casual player here, struggling to get my last 100 SR to get into gold. From my perspective, even having a ton of time on my hands, it is EXTREMELY difficult and asking too much of the player to practice so many different heroes. I want to use the one or two that I excel at and and natural grow as a user of them, but there are always where if I stay that character I'm throwing. So I'm forced to switch, but here comes another problem: I don't have much practice with said other characters and that causes me to just not live up to my full potential in a match, and the whole thing is just really agravating.
Soldier 76 allways said it “bring back overwatch” but they never listen...
"Whats the point?"
Thank you both for your contributions to lols.
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That means its intentional design choice to turn into LoL
They are baiting people for that $60 fee and cosmetics and if u wanna leave they dont care, you served your purpose.
Remember when Mei was the only problem..
i rememberries... also pepperidge farm remembers..
I remember those days like it was yesterday.
glad i quit ages ago, i still love Mei, man the game is in shit state now
Now we have Ashe
Member when Genji actually moved like a ninja
its july 2020 and the state that game is in, is still the exact same
lmao I thought this was a 2020 video for a phat min.
I almost climb diamond and then i started to have a lot of bad matches and now I leave the game for a week and I don't know if it's a good idea get back
@@diegolechuga8782 don't I used to play the shit out of the game and once I switched to a different game It felt so nice
Diego Lechuga if we’re playing overwatch in 2020 we either have nothing better to play or we’re just hoping for the sequel
@@itsatomic0389 As confusing and weird as the announcement and explanation of the sequel was, I'm still looking forward to it. This game was and still is one of the only team shooters I play, and yeah it definitely has a lot of frustrating garbage. I hope that whatever it actually is that they're trying to accomplish with Overwatch 2 turns out well, whatever that may be lmao.
Imagine winning because you and your team is good, that would be silly
I think... it's time to come home. :)
COUNTRY ROADDDDD TAKE ME HOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TO THE PLACEEEEEEEEEEEEE I BELONGGGGGGGGG
We'll be waiting with open arms :,)
"Well, I guess that'll do"
"You were good son, real good. Maybe even the best."
After five years on the East Coast, it was time to go home
The whole reason I started playing Overwatch was because specific characters appealed to me.
I remember seeing early promotional material for the game and I didn't care about it at all. But then I saw the Junkrat & Roadhog trailer, I loved how different they were. Right up my alley.
And the cast is DESIGNED to appeal to people like that. But the freaking gameplay doesn't allow you to actually play the characters that resonate with you. It's basically team comp the game. I've completely lost interest in Overwatch as a result. If I can't play the 5 or 6 characters I actually enjoy I'd rather play something else.
I just don't understand why they designed such a wide range of characters with such unique gameplay that's obviously going to appeal to different demographics... then make the gameplay unbelievably strict with team comps
I think the worst part is the fact that you almost never will get a team comp that involves your main, since people can't get around these winning strategies.
It's like "oh, you're still playing reinhardt/mei/mercy? Poor obsolete soul! Now go back to bronze while we demolish the game with broken heroes..."
Kinda felt the same thing about LOL, played for 5 years then just stopped. Adding new things just to keep the game fresh, but no real thought behind it, gotta sell skins, gotta make the game more flashy, dynamic.
It has become 'team comp' based due to the pro scene. All games with a pro scene become 'this meta because OP'. It ruins any chance of playing that one trick effectively. Not Blizzards fault.. shit happens
@@Toto7788 i played for... 6(?) years, and I gave up on league after they removed Alistar's skillcap. I play games to pull off insane plays and 'master' shit. What is there to master in OW? Once you get a hero to be as fluid as breathing, they will nerf them or buff other heroes and create a mets your hero sucks in.
I love playing junkrat too, and I’ve gotten into playing reaper (I’m not great at DPS so I decided to choose one that seemed more fun at the time), but they’re not “meta” right now and it’s not fun playing a game where everything has to be the right choice. Slightly off topic, that’s why I stopped liking CoD, if you didn’t have one or two guns (or in some cases, those variants of the guns), the game was miserable to play. When variety is presented but unusable, why bother?
This video is over a year old and it's still true. The state of Overwatch is the same since early 2018. Tilting and generally toxic.
yeah they actually kept doing the same shit even after this vid became popular til like fucking 2020
@@HarshNerf Kind of glad/sad to hear I haven't been missing much...
This video is 2 years old, and it is still the most correct video about the current state of "overwatch". The reason why I say it in parenthesis is that this is not really overwatch anymore. It's really just a echo filled, throwing filled cesspool of players that are either happy and ready to win, or the opposite where they are tilted at a 90 degree angle and don't have the mental capacity to be a good teammate or play well even if they had a bad game. I intentionally came back to this video to comment this because look. It's been 2 years and what has changed? Many people will say that the meta has changed and therefore the game is better or that their are new characters so that makes it more fun. No it doesn't, in fact I would rather be still playing dive in comp as a competitive comp as opposed to echo and Bapiste (don't even get me started on echo). They did add new OP hero's to give the competitive aspect of the game a refreshing new look. But look what they did. Echo is basically just the Pharah of 2021 as opposed to 2017-2018. And now I'm sitting here typing this, frustrated that OW 2 won't be out till 2022 and sad that my favorite game is going to be classified as a "dead game" pretty soon here. What's left of the OW community by the time OW2 will be only really dedicated players , and I'm not sure if I'm in that community or not.
That is the one thing TF2 gets right. There is no such thing as hard counters in TF2. There are soft counters but if a player plays his cards right he can overcome the disadvantage and win. Spy is Engineer's counter for example, but that does not inherently mean game over for the Engineer when a spy shows up. If he plays his cards right he can kill the spy, save his buildings, and keep going as if nothing ever happened. You don't get that in Overwatch, running into your counter means game over.
Overwatch's game design makes it to where having the classes that counters the enemy team's classes is priority number one. It creates a Rock, Paper, Scissors type of gameplay where character choice is more important than skill. You should never lose a fight just because you had scissors while the enemy had rock, but thats business as usual in Overwatch.
Honestly the only gameplay/balancing issues TF2 has is that inherently Demoman and Soldier are way more flexible than the rest to the point where if you have 3+ soldiers or demos, you can still easily win the game...similarly in competitive, more than one engineer is unbalanced and unfair. I used to play Valve competitive and wanted to like it but having no class limits or item bans really hurts the quality...speaking of which, if an enemy or allied medic has a vaccinator in comp, he is Satan and deserves to be called an absolute dick. The final nail in the coffin for valve comp was the wait time and frequency of cheaters...and they decided Turbine was competitively viable...lord have mercy. (Sticking with prolander seems much better here)
Exactly. Like, I’m a pretty big spy main (Judge me if you wish). If I see a phlog or backburner pyro (or someone with a flamethrower in general, but those two use the flame part the most in my experience), I know I don’t need to switch usually. Sure, I’m gonna die a few times, but I can do stuff. I can use alternate paths so I don’t become predictable, I can hide in new areas, I can wait for the combat to start before going in for a stab or two, and obviously there’s the myriad of trickstabs I still have no idea how to do, after a year of playing and nearly 50 hours (I’m a casual scrub). Whereas overwatch, where I main Genji, if I want to do anything I need to switch heroes because Brigitte is on every team out there. Which sucks, because there used to be a time where Genji and Tracer and counterpicks in general were able to be played against. You find a McCree? Deflect the flash bang, right click head and dash through him. You meet a Pharah, dash towards her and right click at the peak of height. You meet a Winston... well there you usually just die, but the point still stands. There used to be so much counterplay. And its sad to see that the game has just become Rock Paper Scissors
Brandon Music i can help ya out
Ghoffman91 I haven’t played competitive TF2 in like 5-6 years but when competitive was run through 3rd party websites. TF2 only allowed one of each character. So no matter what you were countering someone. And someone was countering you. It was switching it was being mindful of how you played and where you were. It could have changed tho as again I haven’t played competitive since they added it to the actual game.
MaphenG the good comp games are still hosted via 3rd party sites
i actually started studieing for uni instead of playing and getting tilted again.
feels unnatural pls make ow fun again
Best comment here.
Maybe try a little harder in that English course?
Studying*
Looks like you need to study a lot harder bud
Same..
Two years later and this video holds up. I truly believe that if Blizzard did not add any heroes after doomfist, this game would’ve been saved. They started adding hero’s that everyone hated to play against, with bullshit abilities like immortality, where you feel absolutely useless with zero control over how the game goes
I almost completely agree, last time I played was before the sigma nerf and I really thought that he was fairly balanced but like you said the majority of new characters were extremely hard to fight against and the only way to enjoy the game was playing comp and even then you had to play 222
I kinda disagree, more hero release could have save the game but the issue is that the recent heroes has too much CC
any hero after sombra* as well as sombra.
Reflecting after 3 years or so, imho “hate to play against” heroes is the reason I left
I completely stopped playing overwatch
I quit exactly because of these reasons. This video really tells what’s going on with Overwatch these days. Good job Seagull.
Quit to play what? Games are ass in 2018
Overwatch is an unbalanced piece of shit. Doomfist LITERALLY is one shooting every single character with 200hp. D.Va despite being TANK got better mobility on the field than Mcree for example and on top of that her ult is FUCKING RIDICULOUS.
This game is a piece of shit, you can't have a good game here, either your team is snowballing like crazy or you are being raped like a little turd. Fuck this shit I will never play in any hero shooter game, its bullshit, I am going back to normal FPS games where everyone is equal and the only difference between players are their skill, and not HP Pool and ridiculous abilities
@@GabrielaOW1 blops IIII, best cod game since ages
@@senjusan6359 Normal FPS games are just boring to me. Not enough variables. Sure, some games are awful.. but theres plenty of fun games. The average casual player shouldn't get so serious about a game lol. I just sense a lot of salt in your comment. D.va's ult isn't even ridiculous. It's just a space maker. It's pretty easy to get out of range.
logged in just to say "same"
Blizzard focused on OWL instead of improving the actual game
There is the money feelsbadman
OWL was at the cost of both the game and the lore. Aside from the lore being a half-thought mess constantly running into corners and incapable of settling on tone, it's been a while since the last OW comic. But it's all got soft surfaces and bright colors so the commonly administered advice is "Don't think about it so much, it's just a game that's fun with friends."
And of course Mercy gets buffed because she has disproportionate league-level usage, all other skill levels be damned. Talking hard counters, you either Play Mercy, Kill Mercy or Beg for Mercy." I wonder how many more years Overwatch will act like it's a work in progress, or does it expect to be that way throughout its entire lifecycle? I never got on board with this game because so much of it feels mailed in, and it's pretty clear where Blizzard's priorities are. Whether we're insisted to "Stay tuned for more updates" or early OW were just simpler times, the time for the game to be enjoyable conveniently never involves the present. All indicators show it's probably not going to get better.
And yet still OWL is a shit show cringefest.
This is why I only play quickplay and custom games. It's so much more relaxed! You can usually pick a bad team comp because the other team will probably have a bad team comp. You can actually play what you want to play most of the time.
Feel like it’s a double edged sword. If they focused on gameplay rather than OWL people would still be upset
Am I the only one that plays this game since 2016/2017 and still finds it fun and enjoyable?
Retr0 I mean most people who play like to play a couple of hero’s and when hard counters are in the game it’s just not fun for most people
all I play now is tank and support coz I don't want to sit in queue for 15 mins out of the 1 hour a day I can play. now my friends just play apex instead
update:i've dropped overwatch for apex/warzone
Karan Harsh Wardhan same here haha I play only Modern Warfare and Apex now
This game is the perfectionist's addiction, creates high levels of stress and changes the people who don't keep it casual. Blizzard's design of its games is intended to create that addiction, only in this game, the toll is probably the highest. I'm at peace with my past now.
Sums up Blizzard games pretty well.
Could u explain this "addiction" further lol
@@BS-qe3wc I mean, all that says more about you and your life than the game....xD
0:39 F in the chat for that winston
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I'm glad someone huge talked about this. Thanks guy.
same its about time
Too bad Blizzard is gonna see it and keep ignoring the elephant in the room
U calling my boi Seagull fat?
The biggest tilting factor for me is no matter how good you perform if your team sucks, throwers etc you still get punished and lose SR even if you were the back of the team and hard carried you still lose SR
Just sorting comments by new to see how well the video aged even today
Same
Yep
Fans: Blizzard! Please fix your game! it's not fun anymore!
Blizzard: Okay we're going to fix it
Fans: Thanks Blizz-
Blizzard: Soldier 76 is gay now
Fans: ...and?...
Blizzard: That's it, we fixed everything, enjoy our game
Fans: why
true
TF2 version
Fans: please patch this part
Valve: ok
*6 months later*
Valve: we fixed it
Fans: ok, that’s good but can we get some content?
Valve: Dude we have like 6 developers working on TF2- slow down
Fans: can we get more people working on TF2 then?
Valve: dude- TF2 came out in 2007
Fans: ...and?
Valve: we’re working on VR- do you seriously think that people would want to work on this 12 year game
Fans: can’t you just hire more people?
Valve: ehhh...
Fans: *why are you like this*
Because they dont actually care about the players or the game
They’re like Epic
Blizzard: reaper is immortal now, your welcome!
This is how you get blizzards attention. And it’s honestly sad. It’s going to take more people like seagull speaking up before they take this problem seriously.
they do take this problem very seriously, but tell me, what would you do that is easy and fast to do, and doesn't have to do with deleting characters?
@@jortmanshanden6722 Nerfing most abilities honestly, whether it be potency or cooldown timers, make the game more about shooting (or punching, swinging, whatever the character does) as much most people won't wanna hear it, Destiny had the right track as far as abilities go, they shouldn't be the "cure all, destroy all" for most of the fights
I do think that a huge part of the community wouldn't like that, maybe if they read it here, but not if they actually play it that way. This is because a lot of people don't like fps's that much, or aren't that good playing it, but love overwatch because of the combinations of genres it is.
@@jortmanshanden6722 Well, the way I've seen throughout this time is that Overwatch mixes the strategy that MOBAs bring, adds the variety/style of TF2, and allows the skill of an FPS (or at least that's how it seemed to attract people for me). But recently, the strategy part is way too dominant leaving the other two behind.
You can't play certain ways because of certain characters and that deletes the variety aspect to it. You can't just be good at shooting since there're easier and better characters that do your job. In the end, it just feels a little empty or not what I originally started playing for. And for the ultimate part, I mean, look at MOBAs like LoL or Dota; ultimates are part of the game and can turnaround fights but they have NEVER caused such a black and white situation (I mean perhaps, but thatd be too situational and specific). And this comes from an idiot that has been playing since its first season. The only time they had been too strong was during the first season and they were quickly tweaked. Ultimates spice up the gameplay but never really ruin it. To focus more on the non-ultimate gameplay would, personally, be a better change and have them be more of a "I get to do something cool/useful/flashy" sort of deals and not "this ult plus this ult means gg" sort of checkmates.
@znushu /r/Overwatch has always been a lovely, dev jerking echo chamber
With the recent changes and 2-2-2 being introduced, I think papa seagull should make another of these
Role queue made this game even worse.
@@hmmmhmmm9766 UGHH DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ABOUT THE QUE TIMES🥵🥵🤮🤢🤢🤕🤕
@@majestik7107 hahahhahahahha. jeff kaplan should be deported to iraq for that one. he made something to nerf goats but at what cost. he is prioritizing owl which is dying anyways. he is trying to please the top 1% that could master 3-3 and the rest of us are stuck with 10 minute queue times or a loot box for playing mercy
@@vinayb642 lmao
"Support ults need to make players invincible"
So like a charge. That superpowers a player to make them immune to damage. An ubercharge if you would.
Take this one away, he knows too much
Ultimates in overwatch can just recharge on their own. just saying, But I do get the joke
I approve of your profile picture.
Übercharge*
Please do more serious videos like this.
Edit : Seagull I do want to remind you that some of your most viewed twitch highlights are about you sitting in lobby talking about the game. I loved this game and I want it to capture that again. You're probably the only person with the influence and knowledge to affect change, both with the devs and the community.
Hey, it's okay guys, Soldier 76 is gay. This changes EVERYTHING
It changes NOTHING
@@evgenkhersonets880 what are you talking about? The meta's gonna be all about how gay he is now. It's gonna be wild, my dudes
Soooooo. Who’s gonna do it to this guy ?
Wing Dancer alright it doesn’t bother me that he’s gay it’s just that companies feel that that’s a major characterization device. It’s never: This is soldier 76, he’s a vigilante, mercenary, and former overwatch member. It’s always something like: This is soldier 76 HES GAY DID YOU KNOW HES GAY HES REALLY REALLY GAY DID I MENTION HES GAY!
The gay people I know agree and say that it’s better when a character is gay and not built around being gay or retconned to be gay for publicity
@@chrishansen9852
The drank the SJW kool-aid. They live and breathe identity politics so they think what defines a character is their sex, race, and sexuality.
I was playing Fallout New Vegas. That game handled it best. You would never know a character's sexuality until they make an off the cuff statement or you had the correct sexuality perk to flirt with them. An example would be Arcade Gannon. You can flirt with him to have him be your companion if you were a guy and had the perk that increased dmg to men and unlocked gay dialogue. Or you can just talk to him and he'll talk about how he's not a people person and then make an off-the-cuff remark about there being no guy to sweep him off his feet.
But nope. Blizzard went the tumblr fanfic route where a character is only an amalgamation of arbitrary traits they were born with. So they think it's meaningful character development when they reveal something stupid like the Soldier being gay.
Never watched this video till now, every issue still exists 1 year later but now with echo cucking me from the skies
For real makes me sad 😔
The problem is that a game of Overwatch is won in the hero select screen.
I quit this game a while back and the sad part is I don't regret it one bit. This game is another example of Blizzard being excellent at making a gripping and fun game but not knowing how to maintain it, just look at WoW.
I agree. I played this game pretty consistently for about a year, but then I started playing a lot less. I kinda miss playing, but 8 just can’t get back into it when I come back. I really hope something happens to return Overwatch to its golden days.
jacking the black thing wow lasted years and is still very much alive today. Are you a fucking idiot?
It's so alive that more than half the servers are empty, they stopped reporting subscription numbers and no one talks to one another because everything is within reach of pressing a button, yet he is the idiot.
Dear god children calm down.
@@prezthebutton8876 Careful, you'll have all the Blizztard Fanboys on at you if you aren't careful.
I stopped playing competitively because the games were either a land slide win or a crushing defeat. I get more tense games on freaking quick play rn
I get the exact opposite. QP is almost guaranteed to be a Hanzo, Widow, and 2 or 3 other DPS. I jump on healer until it becomes apparent that the DPS on my team aren't killing anyone and no matter how much I heal them, they will die without killing anyone. And then once in a while I join a game where our team actually tries just a little bit and we roll over the enemy team (which is probably a Hanzo, Widow, etc...).
My teams in comp games (with randoms) usually at least try to put together a good comp. There's still more landslide than I'd like, but no where near as bad as QP.
umm can you tell me your email and password for it i want to play it but im poor I play the free for 3 days and its was really fun but now its gone
Briap Deum dude, I get it’s not cheap but that’s some private shit your asking for
@@TheChris2hill but but
im already tracer
True
My computer had an issue so I fix it, after that I reinstalled overwatch, and I still crying with the intro of Winston, I really love this game but I have the same filling about the game. Blizzard is killing the game.
And I’m over here having fun watching overwatch’s death
This is what overwatch needs:
More, faster content / simpler characters / less stun and health / focus less on OWL and more on... you know... your actual game?
Seriously blizzard, if you have enough money to run OWL, you have enough to hire more people to work on your actual game. At least if people stop playing the game because of lack of content and support, running OWL will start losing them money. That will force a close down of the league. Then they will have nothing to do but work on the actual game and not just people watching it as they stopped playing because of the absolute shit show of the “real” competitive.
I honestly suggest the idea that people should stop watching OWL to protest against blizzard’s disinterest in their game. Or else, there will be no game TO watch.
Conclusion: Blizzard, stop focusing on OWL, animated shorts (although they are good), cakes, Lego, and fucking CEREAL, and start doing something about the game that got you all of that shit.
Bro simpler characters ? So you insist on more heroes like Brigitte Moira and other braindead heroes designed for zombies ?
@@sirdank2899 i think he means as in what their kit brings as brigs kit is simple but overloaded and does way too many things
I feel the same i love playing the game but there are some times that things get frustrating at times even if i play with my friends
i agree - even with people that dont throw we are unhappy being able to play our mains. what do u think about a ban system?
Same for me. That's why I quit the game. I loved playing Tracer, but with Brigitte or Doomfist in every game that just was impossible
i often thaught about that but there are not enough champs.
@@bennetd Tracer was oppressive at lower levels before brig came out. Brig needs some nerfing, but we absolutely needed something to counter the heroes diving back line supports and killing them before anyone could peel and then blinking out like nothing happened.
we had ana and mccree, we did need a flank counter, not a support-dps-tank psychopath
I think an interaction that well represents how things are now with Overwatch is Genji vs McCree, and Genji vs Brig:
The Genji and the McCree both have essentially their own little mind game between themselves, both trying to predict each others abilities, and It's exhilarating!! As both a McCree and a Genji player I never felt like I was at a disadvantage because of my hero choice in that fight. It's a level playing field - the player that outsmarted their opponent won.
But with Genji vs Brig it's just, "I picked Brig so if you come near me you die", which has no real counterplay.. You switch or avoid Brig for the whole game (and if you're going to do that you might as well switch anyway). That is very far from what made Overwatch so fun in the first place and it's very unfortunate that it's ended up this way..
I remember when I used to play Overwatch so much. It was before and during Sombra's release. I can remember the feeling of hitting a Genji deflection headshot on a Mcree, so satisfying. And whenever I got headshot with my own bullet as Mcree, I knew I just was getting a little too spammy with my shooting and not keeping the Genji in mind enough. The interactions between heroes in game promoted further learning and diving deeping into the game. I wish that hadn't gone away.
Can't agree more!
I agree with your point. To analyse even further, I think the real problem in this case is that Brig is to easy to play. There is no risk involved for her to come near you and go for that stun + instakill, whereas mcree can also get close to you to land his stun, but he takes a huge risk of mistiming and actually dieing to you.
i disagree that mccree and genji is on even footing, mccree's ulti is extremely rare that they can get much value out of, while genji ultimates win team fights really hard more often than not.
when it comes to 1v1 genji can double jump which makes it a nightmare for a mccree to aim at a genjis head at those crucial moments in time where as genji have 3 things to do, when to deflect against flashbang, when to just swiftstrike combo him to death and when to just double jump and throw shurikens until he dies, all while mccree knows that the genji will kill him if he doesn't flash bang correctly more often than not because how difficult it is to aim at someones head who is double jumping on yours all while when he can kill you at approximately in the same amount of time you normally can kill someone with 1 headshot and 1 body shot, or a full FTH.
the biggest indicator on how the 1v1 actually is, is just looking how their ultimates work against each other if they activate it at the same time, genji can deflect while in his, but he can also choose to slash you and kill you immediatly, while mccree is stationary and just have to figure out if genji is trying to slash him or deflect him and all this in like 1 frame of seconds because genji could possibly just dash and slash while mccree is charging up or deflect a little later when he knows he's under deadly fire.
but as a game genji has the upper hand just because of the importance of mobility.
Well I agree but F genji. He needed a harder counter than winston or sym.
They made a first-person shooter, but somehow made it playable and winnable without needing to aim. If that isn't an obvious red flag, I don't know what is.
It's sad this game kinda became a moba brawler, but ironically everyone just wants to play dps and shoot things.
It's almost 2020 and this video hasn't aged at all.
its now 2020 and it still hasn't
@@user-je4rh6bb6z console actually isn't that bad and I think Overwatch has gotten marginally better
Now we wait and see how Blizzard handles this................
*Two* *Years* *Later*
BlizzCon 2020: "Thank you all so much for your feedback, nothing brings a community together like Overwatch! We heard about all of the issues in the competitive scene and have finally come up with a major plan that fixes everything. So we are proud to announce Overwatch on Mobile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
this is low hanging fruit, you can do better lol
DONT YOU HAVE PHONES?
Honestly, I feel that is where developers go for their game to die off
BATTLE ROYALE MODE LOL
Dr Chopstick
And they just make everyone Soldier 76 lol.
0:40 lmfao at that Winston
lov your vids dude
the Winston is the pro player OGE btw
That's OGE, his former teammate on Dallas Fuel lmao
P R O F E S S I O N A L
Love your shit man. Only place I can hear some godlike WC3 soundclip-memes.
Overwatch? Wasn't that name of the half life 2 soldier
The Overwatch was just a departement of the Combine, but yeah, it was
Why did they add moira
Because they can’t balance supports so they add new ones
Bryan Nastawa Your comment makes me smile knowing how true it is. And my friend has a pic of him with ALL GOLD MEDALS as Moira in COMP
Cus they needed to cater to the sjw trans community
Moira basically dores good for the team just for existing
I agree with every point in this video with a burning passion. Overwatch is the only competitive game I've every considered myself good at. And over the years my play time has only gone down. I used to play ranked matches everyday and it was fun but nowadays even thinking about playing a ranked match makes me ridiculously frustrated. I love Overwatch so much and I only hope the best for the community and the competitive scene but with the way the meta has changed the game play so much the game now feels like a chore to play and thats just no fun. I swear sometimes i think the next overwatch character is just going to have the ability to pull out a crowbar and break a characters legs so they cant move for the rest of the game lol.
Calamity BREAKING NEWS! DC Comics has just announced a partnership with Blizzard Entertainment to bring you this BREAKING NEWS! It's just been leaked that the next hero for Overwatch will be........ THE JOKER!!!!
So they get Jason Todded
Saiko crowbar, a little more crowbar, just a bit more crowbaaaaar aaaaaaaaaaaand DYNAMITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol that would be great to see, you just lighten my day with that crippled legs and crowbar hero
@@BenFilley wait really?!?!
THANK YOU! I can't fuking take the number of bad games I have. For every good game I've had, I've had at least 5 horrible games... It's not like flipping a coin, it's like rolling a dice and trying to roll a dice and needing a six! I don't think I wanna play this game anymore... I have played this from day 1, but I legit don't think it's worth the headache anymore... So sad to leave this game
@@KadruH lol that's how I dropped from diamond to 2500 SR last season and this season #feelsbadman
You said it.
Feel like this is one of the few games I still play where instead of winning or losing, and feeling like I played an actually fun game I leave it feeling underwhelmed or frustrated.
Sad this video still holds up. RIP OW
A world from far far away
*Kazotsky Kick theme plays*
*conga intensifies*
Basically, you just said you want Overwatch to be more like traditional, well-balanced FPS game with abilities and less like light version of MOBA game with overpowered abilities and only some shooter elements.
I can't agree more. This game needs more deepness in core gameplay mechanics of each hero and more viable strategies. As for now, match flow is to simple and predictable.
What I took away from this is that you shouldn't balance around competitive play.
As much as TF2 is compared to OW at nauseam, I think in this scenario it's fair. You basically described what TF2 already is, not a lot of overpowered things and multiple viable strategies with deep core gameplay. If you don't use the meta, that's okay, because even trolldier can be played very effectively if you have reached a high enough skill ceiling. You can always improve, always get better, no matter if you have 1 hour or 10,000 hours.
I think if they just scooped out ults altogether, replaced them with alternative weapons for each character that changes their playstyle drastically, and balanced the other aspects of each character properly, it would throw some people off and maybe make them not play, but given a couple months that kind of a game would more than make up for its weight in salt.
I think your missing the point the point was the game relied too much on winning for the player to expereince fun
While the other end losing also removed that fun
The point of the video is that the game is co plex already
The point of the video is that the game is not fun anymore
The video want the game to make the losses less painfull and more tolerable
While making it so that the players have more fun even if they are losing
@@cherokeehernandez9748 ...that's basically what he said, just indirectly...
Ждем от Дрю разбора почему овервотч немножко в дерьме? :^)
All I play anymore is the Arcade Random Heroes.
Mensrea same here, it’s less annoying to fight the occasional brig/doom/sombra than it is to work around them for an entire game.
I place in competitive simply to get my CP at the end of the season. I refuse to solo queue in even QP nowadays bc the game is so reliant on having good teammates and on console it’s a real struggle to have comms. I have like ~1,300 hours on the game but I’ve not enjoyed myself since about season 6.
I hate Arcade so much. The free Lootbox system is so frustrating if you don't enjoy Arcade.
@@XRAYElementz console omegalul
Same. I just play mystery heroes over a span of a few days a week, and i ultimately stop playing overwatch for that week once i get the 3 lootboxes.
@@jackedens3757 neckbeards like you give the PC master race a bad name. lose some weight
This video is years old and hasn’t aged a bit
why is this still relevant to today
Blizzard sees this video, entire design team sits down and really contemplate what Seagull has said, Jeff clicks his fingers “I’VE GOT IT!”
Blizzcon 2019: “Hey guys it’s Jeff from the Overwatch team, I’m happy to announce a massive fix to all of our problems to Overwatch with our upcoming game *Overwatch Immortal* “
overwatch in phone! what we need!!!
OH NO
okay, this is epic
Coming to the Nintendo Gamecube
Do you guys not have phone?
So many games are lost at the hero select area
You mean Hanzo and Widow in attack don't win games?
Sorry mate I'm already Tracer.
Try dota.
That is why I no longer play LoL
@@Death_Korps_Officer I guarantee that if you personally play well in LoL in every game, you will win more than half the time.
This video was released around the time i quite the game. And today is july 2020. And i’m still waiting for overwatch to be playable.
It’s funny how this video is still relevant in 2023
I agree. I use to play the game religiously, but now I barely ever do. We need change.
Matthew J. Killion sadly same here. Put at least 4 hours a day into this game and in the past two months I put maybe 4 hours total..
@@JC-dc7eb I can say the same exact thing. Seasons 3 and 4 were my heyday in this game and I loved it, but one day I suddenly just stopped playing so competitively.
I quit in season 11, after I finally had enough. And I can say for sure I'm a much happier person now, no regrets.
Same I use to take the game very competitively but now I don’t think I have played overwatch for a good 2 months....really sad actually.
same here, i remember five days last summer i spent 9+ hours a day grinding up to diamond (i got to 3100 solo queuing as a dva main and i rarely joined vc). and now i am mid silver and nothing can motivate me to try anymore. because almost everything is a loss. game needs change and balance.
What went wrong... Blizzard focused on making the game "Fun for everyone" rather than balanced, End of story it's over blizzard won't fix it. It's about making money off of loot boxes.
Geez all the peeps be here if you dropping in to my dude.
Blizzard can't balance competitive games guy... They've struggled to do it since warcraft and when they try to fix balance they often go far overboard and ruin the game. It also seems like they took a cue from WoW by adding far far far too much cc.
Truth
@@Papa_Tin "Over half of Activision Blizzard's $7.16 billion yearly revenue came from microtransactions"
yeah sure
and activision barely make profit off of yearly releases of CoD
@@Ethel173 Still amazes me that they continue to make more and more money each year.
October 2019, and:
-Still exist hardcounters like Sombra vs. Hammond, Mei vs Hammond, Winston vs Reaper, Winston vs Bastions.
-Still the same recycle events,
-More new non-fps heroes with CC.
-Worst CC than before, and now with shields included.
-Same Toxicity, even with 2-2-2 role queue.
-And less OW Twitch streamers than before.
At least they delete old Briggita.
- More balanced games
- CC is more balanced
- Epic Community creations that you can play with
- A brand new Shield tank/Talon tank
-Hard counters are nerfed
- A Meta that does have some counters
- Another great healer
- New Lore in the works
- DPS are now finally being used by pros
- Sigma's feet
Well Brigitte was nerved...
She has got a paper shield now. I actually pick here sometimes just because I like the play style.
She works well if you got a good genji/doom which you can constantly boost with health plus some other shield char.
Otherwise Moira is definitely more effective
@@themasterofdisaster1 I totally prefer new Briggite tbh, she is actually a new hero right now with a more passive gameplay and less survability, but at the same time managing her shield's hp and aiming carefully her shift to trigger her passive it's mechanically interesting and super fun imo.
Name Surname actually people do care for the workshop it doesn't only have to be competitive also yeah the lore is slow but insulting people who play it?looks like the fans aren't the toxic ones the game is still pretty good
I know for some, bringing up Paladins is a joke to a lot of OW people. But no matter how OP some characters are... no matter what character you are or what point you have.. whether Damage, Support, Flank, Defense or whatever... if you learn the game and spend time with your champions... you can do be more than what you are labeled as. And in that way, as support...you could do as much as someone who is specially made for damage and killing and even vise versa with some Champions. To me that adds more variety to the way you play and how your games go.
Ow fans are blind sheep that's why i left the game
Tyra Too OP I honestly prefer Paladins to Overwatch in terms of fun right now. I play someone like Mal or the owl sniper guy and I can do decently and have fun doing my job without tilting. OWV is just me getting CCed to death over and over and getting tilted because of it.
well in overwatch same thing like look at zenyatta yeah he's mainly a healer but he can also be pretty good for attacking
Paladins is just so much fun right now. The meta is stable and the game doesn't suffer from the balance issues ow does. The thing is that ow fanboys are so blinded by the graphics and the fact that they paid for the game, that they think the money makes it automatically better, ignoring the fact that Paladins is far better regarding balance and meta.
Overwatch was the first FPS I'd ever played on PC, and I remember when I would just play the game day-in, day-out, having so much fun with it along the way. Once I'd finally gotten used to using a mouse and keyboard over a controller, and got used to playing Ranked after quelling my horrible anxiety issues, it opened up many opportunities for me to have even more fun with the game; building comps, communicating with teammates and making fantastic plays, both solo and with teammates...there was just something completely unparalleled within the context of the game that made me have so much fun with it.
I ended up getting to around mid-Masters, and playing at that elo for quite some time, and where I loved the thrill of playing at a high level and the games could be incredibly fun, a lot of the issues you talked abut started to plague the experience, resulting in the decline of anything to do with a sense of fulfillment and enjoyment in the game. I wanted to climb, and I wanted to push myself further, to see how far I could get; I'd made it this far, and I knew I could practice and become even better at the game, but the game became littered with aspects and ideas that caused me to stray further away from it.
The various new hero releases created issues in themselves:
-People picking new heroes for the first time in Ranked, because they never play Quick Play, or use the PTR, and ruining team comps and any semblance of communication.
-Heroes like Briggite, Moira and Doomfist, presenting an overwhelming amount of scenarios with very little counterplay.
-Non-traditional design philosophies to the newer heroes, focused less on being these dynamic and layered FPS-style characters, and instead focusing around being something taken straight from a MOBA.
-Due to this point, team compositions had to be so water-tight that you couldn't even have one component out of place, meaning every player had to be on the same page, and it's so easy for plans to fall apart - in a solo-queue environment, that's just a recipe for toxicity.
I could carry on going with that list, but I think the idea starts to become obvious.
Not to sound like a broken record, but Briggite was the final nail in the coffin for me when I put down the game, and I haven't picked it up on over a year, simply due to her existence. Briggite was everything the game didn't need, and was both over-designed and under-designed at the exact same time. Here's what I mean:
When you look at the original cast of Overwatch, and even some of the additions thereafter, what do you see in these characters? Look at D.Va, Winston, Tracer, Reaper, Zenyatta...even someone as bland and "Call of Duty"-esque as Soldier: 76. Each character had something unique and inspirational about their design, as well as wide and interesting backstories that was written into their character and personality, appealing to everyone, giving people the opportunity to find a character that meant something to them, and someone they wanted to play. You could attach any of these characters alongside the name of "Overwatch", and you'd instantly see the appeal and unique characteristics of such a game - A giant monkey with a tesla gun? An angel with a healing staff? A gun-slinging Clint Eastwood-looking guy with a bionic arm yelling what time of day it is? Yes, please!
Meanwhile, when they shoveled Briggite in and made her the practical poster-child for the game (as she was attached to almost every piece of promotion and E-sports when she went live in Season 10), what could you see in her? Well, she, uh, is a really generic-looking Swedish girl, clad in armour, swings a tiny rocket-powered flail, which isn't even all that unique in terms of rocket-powered weaponry, and has the personality of a cardboard cutout. She's completely under-designed, in this regard, as there's just nothing appealing about her. At all.
But, on the other hand, counting her abilities, she has a total of 6 abilities, counting her ultimate, giving her the most abilities in the game, and touting the moniker of "Support", she has enough DPS to one-combo a 150-200 HP hero, and win a literal melee range fist-fight with Reinhardt, yet out-healing and out-sustaining Zenyatta and Lucio by a country mile, making them borderline irrelevant, and is the only other character that can grant armour to her allies, yet does it infinitely better than Torbjörn could ever hope to do. I shouldn't need to break down why that's an issue.
One of the more ironic things about her release, and the amount of abilities she has is that this was shortly after the time of the Mercy rework,, and the installation of the Micro Rockets ability on D.Va and I specifically remember that the lord and saviour Jeff Kaplan himself stated how they wanted to balance and iron out some of the older heroes to give everyone an equal amount of abilities, putting everyone on a level playing field, yet here we get a shoddy, unimaginative and frankly boring engineer with twice as many abilities as a robot that has transcended humanity through religion.
Also, you mentioned team comps, and I couldn't agree more on your statements. When I stopped playing, we were in the meta of Grav-Dragons, and every single teamfight came down to that. It was so boring, and so painful to play in, as I was basically forced into getting good with Zarya, despite not enjoying her, as nobody wanted to play her, yet people would yell and demand that someone did, whilst people with the mentalities of children would argue over who got to pick Hanzo, claiming that they were the better DPS; people would literally insta-lock and not say a word, just so they didn't have to play Zarya.
I think this video is well-needed, and I'm glad you've posted something like this. It shows you're strong and passionate about a game you love, coming to terms with its flaws and laying them out for all to see. You can only really grasp how bad a situation is when someone of such stature with the game brings up these issues, and so I'm so glad you've spoken up about them. I want to return to this game at some point, but I also want it to be fun, when I do, so I hope they take these issues on-board, and we can finally find ourselves enjoying Overwatch again.
Keep up the awesome work!
I could have literally written this comment myself. This is identical to me, from moving to console to PC for overwatch, playing in mid masters ect ect. This game meant so much to me I really hope they can fix it
I do think the game needed something like Brigitte - people were really fed up with dive, and she counters dive, and also is the only support that can really hold her own against a good Tracer. I just think they released her a bit overtuned so she ended up being completely op and unfun to play against, plus with her and doomfist in the game, it's rare to have control over your own character anymore since u are permanently stunned
A former controller player getting such a high rank on their first PC fps shows how little skill Overwatch takes to play at a high level, lmao. Play Quake or Unreal Tournament or something.
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Honestly, same as Brian. First game on PC, played religiously, had so much fun. Then the CC creep happened, and although I'm still playing, I can get in like one or two games a week until I get tilted enough to leave. The only main differences I have are: I'm still "playing", and I've been hardstuck plat -because I suck- because the matchmaker hates me.
I think the issue is that overwatch has strayed from its original design principle, "everything must be fun". Ever since they released sombra, it feels like every hero features anti-fun abilities. All these heroes have anti-fun cc abilities that limit player agency. Somewhere along the line, the devs lost track of their design philosophy and it really shows in the way the game has evolved since 2016.
I agree. Fun really is the thing that should be prioritised over everything else. Being hacked isn't fun, nor being stunned. Shield Tanking isn't fun anymore, but glad they are finally fixing it with the Brig nerf. It goes back again to Mercy, it wasn't the fact Mercy was a must pick every game was the biggest issue, it's the fact the majority of the player base didn't want to play her. If she was a must pick, but everyone loved playing her, few would care. I think the developers became overly obsessed with balancing out pick rates, rather than making sure the enjoyment of the game isn't affected. Balancing out pick rates is important, but should never come in the expense of fun.
This has been what I've been thinking for a long while now. Overwatch just has so many ways of shutting down people and making them feel powerless that it's hard not to feel frustrated. You could go through each and every hero, and almost all of them have a "stop what you're doing, no more fun for you" button- some notable exceptions being soldier, maybe lucio. Basically everyone else has an ability that might as well slap the controller/mouse out of the other person's hand and leave them without agency for some time. It's literally robbing people of their fun, of their ability to outplay their opponent.
And that's just covering 1-on-1 fights. Like Seagull said, there's a million other things that go into Overwatch being so frustrating to play, and it's coming from every single angle of the game. It sucks.
That's weird, because from day1 Mei was considered anti-fun.
@@Firesights Mei's wall is a symmetrical effect which requires proper timing to execute (affects both teams), ice block is easily punished either with the correct hero, or by dogpiling, and most heroes can do something to mitigate the damage from the freezing, at the very least looking away and down to avoid the headshot. By comparison, anti-fun abilities now are asymmetrical, are encouraged to be spammed, and most of the new heroes have at least some one-shot capability with little time to react.
@B H Mei's "anti-fun" took time and at least a little aim to pull off.
The Freeze ray is short range, avoidable, and blockable, so it wasn't such a big deal.
Stuns, Knocks and Hacks are INSTANT and for the most part, unblockable, so it's really difficult to accept it.
The only good Stun is McCree's flashbang, because that took skill to outplay and hit someone.
All the new CC has been very frustrating in the sense that you just have to stand there and take it.
All the preparation in the world doesn't matter for shit because you can't block it without a Zarya bubble or Fortify.
I dont even play overwatch and this video makes me feel sad about this game
My first video game I ever played was Overwatch. I had picked out the game from the shop shelf because I had never seen such a colourful and creative looking game. I probably invested 3000+ hours and became actually pretty decent. I had so much fun and met amazing people. Now its been almost a year I haven't touched it at all. I quit playing when they added Brigitte. I tried playing it again, but, it's just not the same anymore. This game will always have a special place in my heart but it makes me so sad that I can't find joy in playing a game I loved so much. I know I'm incredibly late but this video still perfectly reflects reality.
Question: how do you find TF2? What do you think about overwatch now? Did you played both in recent times?
The main reason that I prefere to play tf2 rather than overwatch is that the quality of my experience in tf2 is not dependant on the other members of my team.
Agreed. It doesn’t matter how bad your team is, you can still dick around and have a ton of fun.
Yeah even R6 is more fun because there's individual potential. Even with all it's own set of problems
Austin Gilcher I disagree with Siege. Half the damn time I get tk’d, which takes me out of the game for sometimes nearly 5 mins. Your team has a huge impact on your experience there.
How is that of the team is not a big deal?...
Unless you're a medic, the masochistic leaders of tf2
Super agree with this game needing a stats board.... It's very blinding.
It's funny. In trying to be not "toxic" (even though people misuse that word for anybody who is slightly rude on the internet) they made a frustrating atmosphere for real toxicity to be in the air
Finally somebody with some experience says it, can't say that on the blizzard forums though. They'll just say you want an excuse to be toxic.
Agree 100%. If you have an off meta hero on your team and check the stats and they are dominating, then maybe it would cool the jets of ppl who tilt at off meta. It would also highlight obvious team issues like where is your dmg coming from, are your healers healing etc.
I took a 2 year break from this game and the main reason was because there was too many shields. At that time, everyone ran the triple tank meta and put their giant shields everywhere and my team always got melted. Now that I’m back and it’s only 2-2-2 it’s great and fun
It’s so sad because whenever I play this game I feel like I’m only playing for loot boxes, skins etc. there’s nothing to fun anymore and arcade doesn’t even work because of queue times which was the only thing that could keep me playing because it was so unique. I remember when I started playing ow and it was so fun but now the experience has died out (I’m only level 116 and I started playing 2018). I came back to play some more only to realise all this.
I’m just so sad and can’t wait till ow is free so queue times will speed back up and I’m so excited for the ow2 campaign because then I’ll have something to do when I’m bored.