DRY PACK SHOWER PAN For Beginners --- The Easy Way!!!
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- Опубликовано: 16 янв 2022
- Dry Pack mortar or Deck Mud, as it is called in California, is an important step in the construction of a tile shower pan. For professionals it looks easy, but only because they have been doing it for so long. Often times beginners or DIY's struggle with low spots, crumbling, or uneven slope. That is why I have created this video that shows how to do it. By using these simple instructions there is almost no way to mess it up.
This video shows how to mix dry pack mortar, and create a ledger to screed off of to ensure proper slope and a solid smooth surface to waterproof and install tile on top of.
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Scares me how many "tile guys" are yelling "DON'T SCREW INTO THE SHOWER PAN!" As an installer we should know that there are different methods available now and should be able to recognize that he's using a top sealed method with no pre-slope or pan liner. I understand the average diyer not being up to date with our practices (Isaac is doing his best) but come on installers, we need to do more to educate ourselves within our trade.
That being said. Yes if you're using a pan liner or hot mop this method is not for you lol
Just a homeowner and diyer here, just commented under someone else's comment who was doing just that, I felt the need to make sure other homeowners understood this, scares me that I would see that and a "professional" wouldn't😂
So is this a method without using vinyl sheets over the walls and floors? How do you seal everything? Is there a website describing this method? We are trying to fix our shower and contractors are scarce. The ones who are answering are super expensive, as there is apparently a lot of demand in Florida. This training wheels method is the best we have found for getting the proper slope on the floor and we would like to try it. Do we do this over the vinyl sheets or do the vinyl sheets go over this? Lots of questions.
@@isaacholzwarth Thank you. Wandering around the TileCoach vids, I found where he sealed the deck mud with Hydro Ban to make it waterproof. Now I'm looking for an answer about how to put cement board on the walls will a concrete floor. Apparently, that is a bad idea, but no one says what to do where the cement board and concrete floor meet.
@@steveaustin2686 hmmm. I'm not certain about that, I haven't heard that. I do know that depending on code in your area you can use drywall behind kerdi (and I believe the others like hydroban as well) although I've never loved the idea. That's why I'm going to use go board instead, it's already waterproofed so I don't have to use kerdi, and it's really light. Good luck with your project!
I’m not a full time tile guy but I’m a remodeler and have been doing tile/showers for many years. There must be a hundred ways to do a shower. I have changed my technique over the years changing with the new methods. Every time I watch one of your videos and see yet another way to do it, I think “maybe I should do it that way?”
Nice to learn something new/different. Never seen anyone mix deck mud that way.
Contractor in FL here. That mixing technique is genius!
Sand cement and tradition! Thanks again for the awesome content coach. You've been a tremendous help these past 2 years doing tile. Ive learned the basics, I learned wall floating, now I think I'm ready to try floating a pan. I hope to make a living one day off of this, I am very passionate about it and I only want to do jobs right and they have to look pretty. I finally have tools, budget and the confidence to start a company! I want to give you my greatest gratitude as you are such a concise, chill, well spoken person and really shine a light on the raw talent and drive tradespeople have. Much love from one (former) addict to another (been cali sober 6 years).
This was so helpful I just completed my dry pack shower pan successfully because of you! Thanks :)
Love the mixing tip! Most of the time it's a huge mess. That works great!
I LOVE this method. Thank you so much for taking the time to impart your knowledge to those of us who really want to learn. Bravo, dude. Bravo.
Thank you so much for the work you do in putting your videos together and making them available. I have found them to be an invaluable resource for the DIY community! I completed my shower base today using this method and am happy with the results. Is it perfect? No... but I think it is better than what I did 20 years ago, and certainly good enough! It's got the proper slope and darn near perfectly level all around. Thank you again!
I really appreciate all the information you put out there I’m a general contractor north of you in Oregon Washington. I am not a tile guy, but I have been doing tile for quite some time. I have learned a lot from your videos. In fact, I went down to Eureka California did a shower for a friend of mine. He was actually my roommate in college and I think I may go back and pull the bench out. They haven’t had a problem but I don’t want them to have a problem in the future and I think I may have done something wrong so I may just go pull it out make sure and re-tile it I don’t want them to have a failure. The pan liner was done right I know that because I watched your videos and make sure it was done correctly so I appreciate all the information to bring love to learn new things. I really don’t wanna do tile it’s not what I do but it’s another skill to put in the toolbox big jobs I sub out to my tile guy. We only do the small jobs. Appreciate you
Sooo glad your channel came up on my screen! I have watched several dry pack videos for showers but yours is by far the most useful to me as a DIYer with no dry pack float experience. I'm subscribed and next will search for a video of yours on sealing the dry pack and laying in the tile. Tx, Mike
I am about to do this step this weekend. I have watched this video close to 20 times and I feel confident I can do this. Thank you SO much for this tutorial. You are a wonderful teacher!
Why is dry pack better than wet and set?
@@1969wareid Excellent!
@@lokivato I would guess wet and set would be difficult to get a fall on.
Hope you didnt follow this guys lead.. what a fool teaching people to screw through the pan liner.. how many repairs ive done over the years due to this type of install..😳🤢🤮
@@reloadrefine lol you're old school then, not knocking the pan liner method if done correctly it still works, but he screwed only into the Hardie backer, those holes then get filled with thin set, and then the waterproofing comes after by means of liquid membranes (redgard, mapei aqua defense, latricrete hydroban) or roll membranes (schlutter kerdi, laticrete hydroban), no pan liner here bud. keep watching him, maybe you'll learn something new
I learned how to do dry pack in the 90s. Those guys were really good and pretty fast too. I was never fast but if you take your time you can get those pans pretty perfect. Tile guys have gotten away from this but I firmly believe in what the old timers taught. You should know your craft and this is part of it.
This is the best DIY I have found for a custom shower base. My husband and I are very handy, but neither of us have ever done a custom shower base. Most of the DIY just show bits and pieces or use high cost prefab, but don't actually show it being done old school from start to finish. Thank you. We DIY because we cant afford to hire someone.
thanks so much for all,God bless you and your family,Watching from Canada.
Thanks for all your videos man. I am a contractor in Ky but I always like learning new ways to do things
I have been doing tile for years.. This is so helpful. Thank you.
I used this process over the weekend, and I can recommend. I didn't think the "mix in bag" would work, but it was great and mess free.
Been doing tile for years now and this is actual how I learned it first cause like you said, people that have done it for years use feel, screed lines, levels.
Ordered my flow fx drain and will be using this method soon. Thanks so much for making this video. Never done a dry pack or shower pan before so I’m sure I’ll watch this video three more times lol.
As always informative video. I am a DIY'er and I will be using this method in a few weeks, glad I saw it today. I will be adding a 45° angle to the screed notch out to get cleaner edges. Thanks for your knowledge and for sharing it with the world. God bless you and your family
Thank you so much. Great video I’ve done lots of tile work well pretty much every type of work do you do when a house. But I’m doing my first shower and I was pretty nervous about how to get the slope done correctly. So awesome job really appreciate it
Thank you for this video. I've been stressing for weeks over how to do this cuz I've never done it before, and what I've already done I have to rip back out because it's totally wrong. But now that I've seen his video I know exactly how to do it thank you so much
Bro! This is exactly what I needed. I’m going to try this on my walking-on shower when my house is completed (cookie-cutter track). Thanks a lot!
Awesome video, you make me feel confident that I can do this job. Love your unique techniques!
simplicity comes with knowledge and experience. thank you bro
I wish that I would have found your videos sooner. But you are making it so much easier for me now.
I use this method after seeing this mock up....perfect every time....thanks for sharing this method!!
Thank You! This video was SOOOOO helpful to me. I've watched many vidoes but, yours is by far the most useful to me as a DIYer. Again, Thank You I've learned so much from you. This is exactly what I needed.
I always enjoy watching masters at their craft. You are one of those 😀
This is the video I needed, thanks for sharing not just your skills and knowledge, but also your ability to teach.
One of the best shower pan videos I have seen.
Beautiful!!! You can finish concrete any day of the week for me. Who needs tile with that finish!!! Thumbs Up Isaac.
Hey Coach, THANK YOU for this tutorial. I learned 3 new things, most efficient was the mixing the dry pack in a bag. Simple yet genius. THANK TOU & new sub…I may schedule some one on one, I’ve got a huge job ahead and a small window to get it done! TYVM
Thank you so much for all your videos. I've learned so much. Today i did this method for my shower remodel. It worked great. After all it is my first time ever doing a mud pack. My wife enjoyed the video so much she even jumped in and helped out. Thank you again.
Awesome video, thanks! I used a foam substrate on my last remodel, but this give me confidence to try dry pack.
Great video. I’m going to be doing this in a few weeks. You just relieved me of a tremendous amount of anxiety and stress. I’ve be watching your videos for a couple of months now and they are very helpful and educational. You are blessed with two great talents, your trade and teaching. Thanks.
Glad I could help! I am blessed to have great viewers too!
@@TileCoach Thank you for doing this from Canada. I'm looking to build a small shower over concrete slab and this series of videos have been really educational. Really appreciate the work you've put into these. I'm not sure if it was mentioned anywhere, but how far down should the cement wallboard go down relative to the ground? If water does penetrate the membrane, is there possibility for it to wick up the wall into the framing?
@@TileCoach Very interesting to see how tradesmen in other countries do jobs, here in England when l did wetrooms l used to get an old guy in who was an old school plasterer and floor layer who could also do fancy plaster ceiling cornice work like you would see in stately homes, when he laid the wetroom floors he did it pretty much like you showed here but usually over a bigger area, ie the whole bathroom floor.
Don’t do what this guy does, he’s not a tile guy!!! You’ll have problems for sure
@@johndentice5501 what problems would you run into?
Sir your video very helpful for me. After starting watching videos. I made almost 20 new showers. Thanks
Bro. The bag method for mix made my day. Been doing buckets. So simple and obvious but a game changer. Thx.
GLad it worked for you
Hey Coach - I just completed my shower pan using pretty much exactly your process. I had no major problems and I think you would approve of the job I did. All thanks to your excellent instructions in this video! Thanks.
WHAT if your drain is at EITHER end 3x5 pan ant ideas
I hate to say this, but I hope you didn’t screw them boards on like he did at that low of a level that’s against code and it will ruin your shower pan and make your shower pan leak that is if you put a shower pan which I hope you did not trying to ruin any Wednesday or call someone out just looking out for the interest of everyone watching and thinking that this is the right thing to do when is not
My man , you are the MAN !! Wouldn’t be able to feed my family without this knowledge . Thanks Man keep up the good work !!
Like others have said, I am so glad you made this video. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Loved the thought and detail you gave to creating the process. Great for DIYers. So much knowledge and experience wrapped into this video. MDF is inexpensive and easy to work with, drawing reference lines and putting down ledger boards, making jigs for screeding, using a bag to mix deck mud, showing your technique and explaining why you do things - Brilliant! Btw, your method isn't "dummy proof", it's a method that is inexpensive, efficient, and repeatable - its a great method & process! Keep up with the great work and content!
Que pasó,? Con your liner?…..
That,
EPIC FAILURE!! Nailing through a shower pan 🤒🫣
Dude! watched this once and was able to finish a 4x3ft deck perfect, to fit full tiles all the way up to the shelf/knech. thumbs up for this easier way!
Yes!
Mind blown brother 🤯thank you for the content , love the screed rail system you got. Totally putting this in idea in my pocket. Much love ✌🏽 ♥️
You are a wonderful teacher!
Thank you for caring so much!!
Skills! Very informative. I wish I had seen this video before I started my DIY project. I was using a thin metal float and constantly cutting into the cement. I could not get it a smooth as you did. Your videos have been a guide through out bathroom reform, thanks
I just used this method and it worked great, thank you!
Excellent video and "training wheels" technique. Like all trades, working is all about feel for the material. You definitely have the touch. Thanks for the demonstration, it is appreciated!
Thank you Isaac. I like to think I'm a pretty good DIY'er. I have flipped several houses but installing a mud bed shower pan felt a little out of my league. I watched around 100 of your videos which are the best on RUclips. This one in particular caught my attention. Installing a new bath at my house, I used my laser level to scribe a level line at the top of the curb and followed the directions in the video. In my case, the FlowFX drain ended up being 1-inch above the floor and the perimeter line was at 1.75-inches. I was extremely nervous being my first time and as I was by myself and didn't know how much time I had to work the mud. I also didn't know if I had enough deck mud. I mixed 4-50 lb bags and hoped for the best. I had made 2 screeds, 1 short for the sides and one long one for the corners. At first I was freaking out because it is definitely not as easy as I thought it would be. I took a few breaths and went to work. The first thing I realized I wasn't very good with the wood float. It just seemed to make a mess when I tried to make circles. But the closer I got to correct level, I started to get the feel for it. I worked at it for a while using the screeds. Flattened with the wood float, and then final finish with the steel trowel. As it turned out, I used the full 4-50lb bags. There was less than a handful left at the end. The final outcome was fantastic and I look forward to installing the waterproofing and tile. My only recommendation is to make sure you have enough mud. Way better to have too much then find out you need more. Thanks again for your fantastic videos.
Once again Issac great stuff. I have always done dry pack we usually do big showers,, I know there will be some to say I'm behind times but it has always worked for me so I say why change its the same with my custom stick framing on homes we do, not knocking the other methods. Wish someone had showed me this back when I first started. Again great stuff man.
You are a gifted teacher! Thank you
I really appreciate your videos. I am not a pro. I have done a few tile showers with no problems, so far. However, you have provided excellent and useful advise for my next upcoming shower project, soon to begin.
Beyond that, I want to complement you on the professionalism that you offer in a humble way. You seem like a genuinely good man. What's more, you are, both a technician and an artist at heart. It is a marvelous combination. Keep up the fantastic work in this wee corner of the world.
Thank you! Where are you from?
@@TileCoach I live in Massachusetts and Maine.
@@TileCoach Central Coast of California
One of the better instructional videos I've watched. Thanks!
Just wanted to thank you for the tremendous amount of effort and thought you put into these videos to teach us the easiest ways to achieve great results. The amount of time you take to make everything perfect says a lot about your work ethics and the pride you take in your skills you have learnt through years of experience. I haven't only learnt about tiles from you but also learnt how to do the job the right way how to be proud of the finish product at the end. It's not easy to find great people like you so thank you.
Thank you. Keep it going!
Very cool mixing technique, thank you for sharing!
I did this before watching the video and I like this method. First I put waterproof sheets and waterproof cement. After I put this sand mix cement for levelling. The results of the mosaic tile became wonderful.
I’ve done one of these before, gotta do another and stressing over it. This really helped. Subscribed to pick up more hints. Ill be buying some merch to thank you and promote your channel. Thanks
As a DIY'er, I sid a couple showers with a quick pitch style method with the weep style drain. The problems I had with the screening off the old plastic stick method was irregular shapes of wide spacing. I would create dips or humps and of course not being straight horizontally at the wall when tiling. This time I upgraded to this flofx drain and this method for making a pan.. I feel much better with the results even with a now larger shower and irregular shapes. It was cheaper, easier and allowed me to have a lower curb. I'm happy I bought my drain and tile leveling tools from your store.
This is the best DIY I’ve seen this year - big fan of your instructions, feedback and ideas
Thanks so much 😊
I couldnt watch the whole video,, but this is a very unique way of installing a shower base 😂 I personally make every curb (if there is one) out of dry pack. And I always use a shower liner,, as an added level of protection
Mixing the mud in a bag ?! Ingenious!
Great video thank you! I'm planning on using your method however, I'll be putting the mix in dry, slope/level then add water.
OMG. That drypack in the contractor bag trick. I was getting ready to buy a bucket auger... not now.
Yes! For up to 3-4 bags its great.
great tips....ive tiled alot of walls but always been never attempted this ...this is a surefire way
Just the video I needed! Thanks for taking the time to make this! Great fool proof idea.
Outstanding video on step-by-step dry pack shower floor base thank you 🙏 for showing us this process A+
GENIUS! Why reinvent the wheel? Great tips and technique. Thank you, well delivered too!
That's some great out of the Box thinking great job brother. It's awesome that you think about the new people who are trying tile.
Thanks Vlade! I appreciate that
Best tutorial I’ve seen so far, you know your stuff bud.
This is going to be my 3rd successful mud pack tomorrow let you know how it turns out many good tips thank you
Watching from France. Great tutorials. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the video it really helps how long you have to wait before you pull your liner on.
Thank you , thank you , thank you. Just what I needed! I can't afford to hire a contractor to so I have to do it myself.
Isaac, these are great!! You definitely have a talent for teaching what you know. I can’t thank you enough for all you do. These are the best videos with content and production value. (Just need you to move to TEXAS now!! 😉). Have a Grest 2022!
I do like the way you mix the deck mud though. I'll have to try that on my next project.
Thank you so much! What a great teacher. Great videos!
You made this look so easy - thank you so much!
Great idea! trying to do it from just a marked line is very difficult.
Thank you, buddy! This is the first video after which I see light in the tunnel. Some weeks ago I saw the mud is made as 3 to 1, instead 4 to 1, as you suggested. Please, specify the cement and sand quality next time, so all info in one . Thanks again.
Yes we used to buy a bag of Portland & always 4/1
Soo helpful. I'm like apprenticing. Getting ready to tackle shower, Thanks
This is great. I'm an old slow mover and this looks like it will make the dry pack faster and a little easier.
I wonder if some time you'd show us how you'd do the dry pack for a trench drain. I've never done one and I have one coming up. I'm trying to visualize how to keep the perimeter level at the drain end when the slope is very short. You'd have a similar challenge when replacing a tub and keeping the drain location.
Thank you for all the great info.
Hahahaha love it I thought I was the only one who mix In trash bag! Works great of bathroom is upstairs
Fantastic video! Very informative. Keep up the great work 👍👊
Very cool. I am going to do my shower in the next day or two. It is a 3’x6’ shower. I like the training wheels.
Issac🔥Nice job brotha! Best part of this vid is the ledger board & screed board! Simple but ingenious
Appreciate it!
That's some nice mud, smooth like butter
I've done similar by cutting hardi board around the perimeter as a ledger and just leave it in there. I cut it big enough it wedges in so not nails. But I like this idea better gonna give it a try. Great video thanks
I’ve watched this video 3 times…. Great work brother
Chase is the man! Best drain around!
yet another very clear and so helpful video - thank you so much Doc!
My pleasure!
Excellent video! Very informative. Thank you
Must have watched this video 6 times and finally did the job yesterday. A few pointers:
1. Get the drain packed in solid first. Had my drypack move wile trying to make sure it was level. See #3
2. don’t be afraid to pack down as you go. I ended up having a low spot a few inches outside the drain b/c the drain was packed but the rest wasn’t.
3. If you’re attaching the flow fx to an existing stub out, add the thinset to the drain flange first then do the pvc/abs glue. Makes it a lot easier to level.
The sakrete sand mix I used says to let it cure with plastic over the top, so that’s what I am doing. Seems like keeping it moist longer will aid in Hydration and curing. Probably going to wait 72hrs before applying hydroban.
Thanks Issac for your guidance here!
Every one of your videos is awesome tile coach. Thanks
Very thorough video. Thank you my friend 🙏🏼
Looking forward to the next video as my shower now just has dry pack and blue tape over the drain. ;)
Stay tuned!
nice video
i usually use hot mop on slabs and go about 2 ft above the floor. for walls i go with plywood, felt paper 30, hardie backer then tile.
This is a membrane system.
this technique is very smart let's thank JEOVA only he allows this knowledge
What?
Love your videos. I am confident I can do this.
I’m going to use this method. I saw Sals it is a good method and it’s similar but this is better because I don’t want to leave the board down in the dry pack afterwards.
Top video bud. Going to use this soon on shower re mod
1st time watching u- i like your stuff n helpful lil hint’s👍🏽.. Keep up the great work-