I just don’t get the argument that the SEC doesn’t want multiple Florida schools. The conference now has two schools in a state in way smaller markets like Mississippi and Alabama even Tennessee comparatively to Florida. If I was the SEC I would do whatever they can to secure FSU to joining the conference.
If you notice, it’s mostly B1G fans with a superiority complex pushing the narrative that FSU wants to (only) go to the B1G. The B1G is extremely top heavy with 4-5 truly elite teams and from a fan’s perspective, adding FSU would add more fire power at the top. SEC is the logical and likely choice. And when they do (along with Clemson) the SEC will reign supreme as the best football conference in the country.
They aren’t accurate in the slightest lol. It’s pretty maddening as a Louisville fan. I’m content with the Big12, but other than arbitrary metrics like academics and location, we’d be one of the most attractive new members. The national media puts WAY too much emphasis on “market location” and academics, favoring schools like Virgina and Duke, who would otherwise have the door slammed in their face if athletic success was the most important metric(which it should be).
@@0165EM4971 The most important metric is viewership. Stanford didn't get in because their viewership and therefor value to a conference is below average. The networks want eyeballs and that is the only thing that they are willing to pay for. You don't even have to be that good so long as people consistently watch.
I was thinking the same thing. This doesn’t add up…. The only thing that matters is the national tv ratings. That’s who the B1G will be after, hence why they jumped on grabbing Oregon/Wash, and not Stanford/Cal.
Because there was/is only so much money to go around- remember, Washington and Oregon only came when the Pac-12 completely blew apart and those two were forced to take partial shares. For that matter, Stanford/Cal only got in the ACC in similar manner and only because ESPN was left with no west coast inventory Also, while I like Altimore's work in general, his numbers there inflate the value of success in non-football/basketball sports- that is actually where a lot of Stanford and Cal's value in his rankings come from. The issue there is the actual money is almost entirely based on football and basketball
@@willpsone I agree that there is only so much money which is why I think both the BIG12 and ACC die with the biggest schools teaming up for something new.
Glad to see someone cover the UNC-Duke to the Big 10 angle. Makes the most sense to me... powerhouse rivalry teams, academically in profile, and also completes a whole east-coast division with Penn St, Rutgers, Maryland. The culture and compatibility is there.
The Big Ten seems hot about this AAU accreditation, which neither Florida State or Clemson have. The ACC schools that do have it are Cal, Duke, Georgia Tech, UNC, Stanford, Pitt, Virginia and Miami. Is that a deal breaker for going after Florida State and Clemson? Of course not, but it does seem like a criteria the Big 10 are looking at.
It's about $$$. The B1G would take any university that had an academic profile that graded out where the AAU schools are if could increase their footprint in the south.. There are several universities in the ACC ranked ahead academically of some of the AAU schools in the B1G now that don't have AAU status. BTW Nebraska lost AAU status and they are still in the B1G.
@@DLTJR1959actually UofNebraska-Lincoln is in the process of merging with UN-Omaha, so they can regain AAU status as they have already been notified of the possibility of removal from the conference. Academics are still a big thing at these schools.
Stop giving credence to that attractiveness scale! The same person that created it believed there was no way the B1G would take Washington and Oregon ahead of Stanford and Cal. The ACC got the Bay area schools for half price. That wouldnt have happened if anyone else (besides the Big 12 and Pac 2) wanted them
STANFORD and CAL clearly don't have the Tier 1 value Tony and others have claimed, but CALFORD would take a partial for the ACC over a full for the BIG12.
@@jeffbeaver4419 "They dont being enough $$$$ fsu and clemson bring more than most of the rest of the acc combined!" First, you're wrong. Second, you're thinking in a P5 world rather than from within a closed ~48-team P2 world.
The six new schools to be added to the Big Ten should be Florida State, Clemson, NC State, Notre Dame, Texas A&M, and Utah. I believe all six teams would join the Big Ten making it the best 24 Team Conference with the best TV market. Do you really think the SEC will be able to increase TV market in the future by only being in the southeast. I don't think so. Advertising dollars will go to the conference with national TV markets. People will watch the BIG Ten because they will have teams within there living area and not really support teams that most have no chance of ever seeing. I believe it's as simple as that. Big Ten needs that big school in Texas.
The B1G has an escalation clause and it only has one school listed, that's Notre Dame, everyone else would need Fox to bump up the media deal, there is no guarantee that Fox would, but even if they did, they probably don't want to break the bank and if they passed them they would need to find another media partner. For a number of reasons I wouldn't expect anything more than what Wa/Or got last year.
I lived in chapel hill and i don't get the love for unc i would take notre dame, FSU, Miami, Clemson, Georgia tech, Louisville, SMU, Stanford over UNC all have atleast a better locations, fan base, big money donors, fits, history, big interest in football
One program that is being slept on is GT. They are in a major market, are AAU, and would allow the B1G to plant a flag in the south east. However, ND is the whale to the B1Gs Capt Ahab. That is the prize for them. They already have most of their traditional rivals in their conference, and the travel for their non revenue sports would get cut down significantly.
Duke-Carolina basketball rivalry is going no where. They will continue playing each year. Questions is 1 game or still 2. They are not tied together. UNC will be going to the Big 10 and Duke will eventually end up in the Big12. Big 12 seems headed towards an elite basketball conference.
Nah. First, UNC is now leaning SEC and will try and coattail DUKE. If that doesn't work, DUKE likely stays in the rebuilt Tier 2 ACC. Would likely go BIGEAST over the BIG12 if it came to that.
@@purpleivory2 BIG12 fans just don't understand how it's viewed from the perspective of prestige. Vs. the BIG12, the BIGEAST is a better option for long-term basketball relevance and DUKE's non-revenue sports could be maintained via private foundations. The BIG12 is already the worst P4 in non-revenue sports.
@@tarheel7406at this point you’re just projecting your personal feelings towards the Big12. The truth is, They will benefit greatly from the ACC’s crumble. The possibility is increasing that Duke is a legitimate target for the Big12 as well as Pitt Louisville VT and Miami (although Miami might be attractive to the B1G if they land FSU). The Big12 will be America’s conference should the ACC fall.
@@Rodkicks88 Nope... a) I do have a handle on the general perspectives of the ACC members. The ACC has also preemptively backfilled, one of the purposes being to avoid any members having to go to the new BIG12. The PAC had to actually collapse before any member reluctantly moved to the BIG12. Whether this view is justified or not, it exists. b) The BIG12 went deeper in its grave upon the death of the PAC and would again if the ACC completely scatters. The P2 gets stronger while the BIG12 treads water. c) Targeting and getting are different things. The BIG12 didn't really poach the PAC; it collected refugees.
There going too be two different groups, olympic sports & non olympic sports. The non Olympic sports like football will have mega conference while Olympics need to go back to regional conferences for travel reason.
Academics plays a huge role in Big Ten membership and I do not think they would be interested in any non AAU member schools. Nebraska is currently the only non AAU school in The Big Ten. Nebraska was an AAU member but lost their membership in 2011 after they had already been long time members of The Big Ten . As an interesting FYI ..... these are currently all the Division 1 schools by conference that are members of Association of American Universities American Athletic Conference - Tulane Rice U of Southern Florida ACC - Duke Georgia Tech Stanford Cal Berkeley Miami (FL) North Carolina Notre Dame Pittsburgh Virginia Atlantic 10 - George Washington Big 10 - Indiana Michigan State Northwestern Ohio State Penn State Purdue Rutgers UCLA Illinois Iowa Maryland Michigan Minnesota Oregon USC Washington Wisconsin Big 12 - Arizona State Arizona Colorado Kansas Utah Big West - UC Davis UC Irvine UC Riverside UC San Diego UC Santa Barbara Coastal Athletic Association - Stony Brook Ivy League - Brown Columbia Cornell Dartmouth Harvard Princeton Penn Yale MAC - Buffalo Patriot League - Boston U SEC - Texas A & M Florida Missouri Texas Vanderbilt
@@daveowens9849 INDIANA has not been basketball irrelevant for a long time. The most viewed college basketball games each year generally include either UNC or DUKE. There are UNC/DUKE watch parties all over the US. The games almost always deliver and have something on the line. No one cares outside of the B1G core footprint (if that many) about IND/PURDUE. Just silly homers.
@@tarheel7406 I agree that UNC-Duke basketball is bigger than Indiana-Purdue rivalry in recent decades, if only because they have both been competing for and winning ACC and national titles. At the same time, watch parties are held around the country for all kinds of games whether it is a regular game, a rivalry, or big game with something on the line by alumni clubs in distant cities and other fan groups for most major schools.
ND already said recently they were going to stay independent. You should be looking at Clemson and fl state.. they are making a fuss because they are either going to the b1g or SEC.
@@malcolmjones27 if you paid attention to any realignment news they (Miami) are most likely going to the Big12. Espn just released an article on ND March 28 2024. The new AD said “independent status is more valuable than ever”. Do some research before you chime in.
What does UNC's academic rep have to do with their athletic programs? Have you forgotten about their NCAA probe & academic scandal from a few years ago?
If FSU were not snubbed for Alabama in the previous CFP in spite of a 13-0 season with the ACC title, I would have agreed they would have been SEC bound at some point. But with ESPN having major influence in the CFP and the means of media production in the SEC now that they took over the afternoon game from CBS, FSU is not going anywhere near the SEC. As a matter of fact, the reason why FSU is going nasty in the courts right now against the ACC is because they don't want their home games on ESPN anymore. On top of other factors, the B1G has a much nicer media deal that I am sure would benefit FSU and many others. FSU will likely bring Miami with them to continue their rivalry as well as having a suitable travel partner. Secondly, the UNC alumni base is more interested in the SEC because that part of NC is more of a College Football dead zone and would help fill up the map for the SEC. UNC to SEC will also help NC State and Duke get in at least on a partial share that way the basketball rivalries will be maintained.
What about Nc State,Wake Forest,those particular schools I feel that the ACC should go after ECU, USF quite frankly those additions would be great …for the conference and let NC State BC,Wake Forrest be the anchors of the conference quite frankly ……
Tier 1 of expanded Big Ten, SEC, and Big 12. 24 teams each, for a total of 72 teams, 16 team playoff, each gets from 4-6 teams in the playoff. No conference championships because they’ll be in the playoffs. Award conference champions based on win/loss and tie breakers or shared co-champions. Tier 1 commissioner and commissioners office to work with the 3 on structure, players pay, rules, etc. Look, the SEC is interested in expanding its footprint to States they are not in, which is why North Carolina and maybe Virginia make sense for them. Big Ten is interested in Florida State, Clemson, Miami, of course Notre Dame if/when ready, maybe a Georgia Tech and Pitt. Big 12 picks up teams out of the ACC that don’t get invited into the Big Ten and SEC. The Big Ten may look to round out at 24 with another team or two out west, like a Utah as an example. Tier 2 will be the other Div 1 teams with their own conferences and own playoff.
The SEC has a lot of flagship institutions of each state it’s in. University of Texas University of Oklahoma University of Arkansas University of Missouri University of Mississippi (ole miss) Louisiana State University University of Alabama University of Tennessee University of Kentucky University of South Carolina University of Georgia University of Florida We would gladly take the University of North Carolina & the University of Virginia.
The State of Florida brings some of the best recruiting and TV viewership in the nation… the BIG10 would be THE National Conference if they grab them. And the conference would add BIG games… FSU vs OSU or Michigan… BIG draws… who cares about OSU vs Purdue or Rutgers or Indiana or Minnesota… get the picture?
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1np how do you figure schools like Boston College, Stanford, Cal, Wake Forest, SMU, etc aren’t going to still be in the ACC? They’re not going anywhere and, if they play their cards right, can only have 4 schools leave
@@brandonh5360 when FSU, Clemson and UNC go to the BIG and SEC, Louisville, Pitt, VT, NCS and Miami will go to the Big 12. Stanford and Cal would go independent in football and everyone else will be regulated to the AAC.
"My prediction for ACC is them adding SDSU, Colorado St, USF, and either Memphis or Tulane" Why? The ACC has already preemptively backfilled. Smaller regionals make better sense for a Tier 2. The ACC seems to be managing its decline to maintain its current branding.
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1np "when FSU, Clemson and UNC go to the BIG and SEC, Louisville, Pitt, VT, NCS and Miami will go to the Big 12." Why? The BIG12 would still be seen as a downgrade from the perspective of a ACC remainder.
Notre Dame needs to join a conference. This source you’ve pulled from show the tv viewership: 1) Ohio State 2) Alabama 3) Texas 4) Florida State. Your Chart is not about tv viewership. Market attractiveness, Academic Resources. *I hope AAU Status is not included in ranking. The AAU is a glorified Lobbyist group, that seeks federal funds. The AAU is like a country club, it is by invitation only & it is fluctuating where university’s may join & may be kicked out. It should never be used for the quality of education. Those are the words of a current AAU Member. Because, Stanford & Cal would not be planning to fly across the Country. FOX wants Florida State University above any others out there, I don’t know where the SEC stands? A reporter asked SEC Commissioner Gregg Sankey: Does the SEC have any interest in FSU & he answered: What conference does not have interest in Florida State? That is up from no. lol. Florida State University is a national brand. ESPN & FOX will most likely be the decision maker. 🍀
I'm sorry, but the University Presidents vote on expansion. Fox can agree to amend the media deal, but that's about it. These Presidents are academic types, who are probably less concerned about a schools TV ratings than they are about AAU status.
It’s been a bit of an open secret that the Big Ten has coveted Virginia, UNC and Georgia Tech. And now that Miami is an AAU school, it makes a lot of sense for the Big Ten, too. I expect when it’s all said and done, and I have no idea when that will be, those four schools will join the Big Ten along with Duke, probably, and perhaps Notre Dame. I expect the SEC to add NC State, Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech and possibly both Pitt and Syracuse. Cal, Stanford, SMU will then all get swept up by the Big XII, along with Pitt and Syracuse if they don’t go to the SEC, and Wake and BC get shafted like Washington State and Oregon State.
They would offer Stanford a spot before they would Duke imo Stanford probably has Duke beat in every category, except maybe attendance. Those Cali people don't show up for games.
@Depressed Ginger...The 'news' about Notre Dame not getting a bye in the CFP is nothing new. This was negotiated well over a year ago and Notre Dame was fine with never getting a bye, even if ranked in the Top-4. This was the concession ND had to make to maintain their independence in football. With their recent NBC contract extended (terms not disclosed) the dollar discrepancy between the Power-2 and ND has narrowed to a range that ND is comfortable with. That being said, if the ACC collapses, I could see Notre Dame entering the BIG.
B1G takes Stanford (=deal to Wash & Oregon) and ND (same deal as with ACC, FBall independent, all other sports). 6 B1G games in football with permanent opponents USC & Stanford. Rotate other conference games.
Let’s put the Big 10 wish list in a logical order 1: ND: Pretty obvious. 2: FSU; Noles are an easy second. 3: UNC: Although I suspect SEC. 4: Clemson: Same as UNC. 5: Miami: Likely FSU travel partner 6: Stanford: But Rejected already . 7: UVA: Public Flagship but Stanford “Lite.” 8: GT: They do have Atlanta and academics. 9: BC: But only their hockey team. 10: The rest of the ACC: They have no shot:
Conferences need to go away. The Big 10 is not ten teams and the B12 is up to more than 12. Why not just merge interested teams into one big affiliation of teams to maybe 50 or 60 teams? Set up the rules and scheduling format and stop all this nonsense about who gets which teams. If ND wants to be independent go play non-affiliated teams and do its own thing.
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I just don’t get the argument that the SEC doesn’t want multiple Florida schools. The conference now has two schools in a state in way smaller markets like Mississippi and Alabama even Tennessee comparatively to Florida. If I was the SEC I would do whatever they can to secure FSU to joining the conference.
The SEC #2s were all founders or added before the related flagship. FSU gets pushed down as an SEC priority due to other options.
Greg Sankey will not let the Big Ten come into our footprint of Florida. It’s too important for Tv ratings and receuiting
Absolutely correct
Big 10 don't want Fsu
If you notice, it’s mostly B1G fans with a superiority complex pushing the narrative that FSU wants to (only) go to the B1G. The B1G is extremely top heavy with 4-5 truly elite teams and from a fan’s perspective, adding FSU would add more fire power at the top. SEC is the logical and likely choice. And when they do (along with Clemson) the SEC will reign supreme as the best football conference in the country.
If these attractiveness scores are accurate then why didn't the BIG10 invite Cal and Stanford?
They aren’t accurate in the slightest lol. It’s pretty maddening as a Louisville fan. I’m content with the Big12, but other than arbitrary metrics like academics and location, we’d be one of the most attractive new members. The national media puts WAY too much emphasis on “market location” and academics, favoring schools like Virgina and Duke, who would otherwise have the door slammed in their face if athletic success was the most important metric(which it should be).
@@0165EM4971 The most important metric is viewership. Stanford didn't get in because their viewership and therefor value to a conference is below average. The networks want eyeballs and that is the only thing that they are willing to pay for. You don't even have to be that good so long as people consistently watch.
I was thinking the same thing. This doesn’t add up…. The only thing that matters is the national tv ratings. That’s who the B1G will be after, hence why they jumped on grabbing Oregon/Wash, and not Stanford/Cal.
Because there was/is only so much money to go around- remember, Washington and Oregon only came when the Pac-12 completely blew apart and those two were forced to take partial shares. For that matter, Stanford/Cal only got in the ACC in similar manner and only because ESPN was left with no west coast inventory
Also, while I like Altimore's work in general, his numbers there inflate the value of success in non-football/basketball sports- that is actually where a lot of Stanford and Cal's value in his rankings come from. The issue there is the actual money is almost entirely based on football and basketball
@@willpsone I agree that there is only so much money which is why I think both the BIG12 and ACC die with the biggest schools teaming up for something new.
Glad to see someone cover the UNC-Duke to the Big 10 angle. Makes the most sense to me... powerhouse rivalry teams, academically in profile, and also completes a whole east-coast division with Penn St, Rutgers, Maryland. The culture and compatibility is there.
Notre Dame doesnt play a conference championship, a 13 game. It makes senses.
The Big Ten seems hot about this AAU accreditation, which neither Florida State or Clemson have. The ACC schools that do have it are Cal, Duke, Georgia Tech, UNC, Stanford, Pitt, Virginia and Miami. Is that a deal breaker for going after Florida State and Clemson? Of course not, but it does seem like a criteria the Big 10 are looking at.
This is about MONEY now… AAU sounds great to trumpet around, but the State of Florida brings some of the best recruiting and TV viewership…
It's about $$$. The B1G would take any university that had an academic profile that graded out where the AAU schools are if could increase their footprint in the south.. There are several universities in the ACC ranked ahead academically of some of the AAU schools in the B1G now that don't have AAU status. BTW Nebraska lost AAU status and they are still in the B1G.
No, the Big 10"ish" has said they want schools that are an AAU but it would not be a deal breaker.
@@DLTJR1959actually UofNebraska-Lincoln is in the process of merging with UN-Omaha, so they can regain AAU status as they have already been notified of the possibility of removal from the conference. Academics are still a big thing at these schools.
As a SEC fan, we cannot let the Big ten invade the state of Florida, they can have the smart schools like UNC/UVA
Oh no! Competition. Can’t have that
@@logsdon36 Florida State and Clemson are miles ahead of UNC,NC State, UVA, and V Tech. What are you talking about
I don't blame the SEC fans for being territorial about their region.
SEC has a lot of ground to defend with the ACC exit. Unless the SEC adds maybe 6 teams, The Big Ten will probably get some teams in the south.
@@PHXNKVHXLIC I’m not disagreeing with you. Whatchu talking bout
FSU is mad at ESPN so they will want to be in the BIG TEN.
Stanford should join the Big 10 and follow Notre Dame/USC
Stop giving credence to that attractiveness scale! The same person that created it believed there was no way the B1G would take Washington and Oregon ahead of Stanford and Cal. The ACC got the Bay area schools for half price. That wouldnt have happened if anyone else (besides the Big 12 and Pac 2) wanted them
STANFORD and CAL clearly don't have the Tier 1 value Tony and others have claimed, but CALFORD would take a partial for the ACC over a full for the BIG12.
PAC 12 needs teams like Clemson FSU Miami NCSU Virginia Virginia Tech UNC start a conference
I believe that the B10 goes after North Carolina and Viginia. I think they do get one team from each of those states
I'm reading that UVA has snubbed SEC overtures, so this is more likely that I would have said over the past ~6 months.
They dont being enough $$$$ fsu and clemson bring more than most of the rest of the acc combined!
@@tarheel7406 I would not be surprised to see UVA stay in the ACC. The Big 10 seems to have several schools higher on their list.
@@jeffbeaver4419 "They dont being enough $$$$ fsu and clemson bring more than most of the rest of the acc combined!"
First, you're wrong. Second, you're thinking in a P5 world rather than from within a closed ~48-team P2 world.
@@tarheel7406 You reply makes no sense. I was talking about UVA....
The six new schools to be added to the Big Ten should be Florida State, Clemson, NC State, Notre Dame, Texas A&M, and Utah. I believe all six teams would join the Big Ten making it the best 24 Team Conference with the best TV market. Do you really think the SEC will be able to increase TV market in the future by only being in the southeast. I don't think so. Advertising dollars will go to the conference with national TV markets. People will watch the BIG Ten because they will have teams within there living area and not really support teams that most have no chance of ever seeing. I believe it's as simple as that. Big Ten needs that big school in Texas.
Only 3 championships in 25 years and 2 of them are rigged
4 #2s, a waning national brand, and a recently G5 flagship in a relatively small state. Maybe.
Texas a&m? They won’t do that. They’d only take Texas. Also Utah Florida state Clemson and nc state don’t meet the big 10 academic requirements
@@KanyeTheGayFish69Thats funny because they tried to offer us at one point but we want to be in the best conference not someone playing catch up
The B1G has an escalation clause and it only has one school listed, that's Notre Dame, everyone else would need Fox to bump up the media deal, there is no guarantee that Fox would, but even if they did, they probably don't want to break the bank and if they passed them they would need to find another media partner. For a number of reasons I wouldn't expect anything more than what Wa/Or got last year.
who would the B1G eye from Texas? A&M?
Keep dreaming
I lived in chapel hill and i don't get the love for unc i would take notre dame, FSU, Miami, Clemson, Georgia tech, Louisville, SMU, Stanford over UNC all have atleast a better locations, fan base, big money donors, fits, history, big interest in football
Half those schools don’t meet big 10 academic requirements
One program that is being slept on is GT. They are in a major market, are AAU, and would allow the B1G to plant a flag in the south east. However, ND is the whale to the B1Gs Capt Ahab. That is the prize for them. They already have most of their traditional rivals in their conference, and the travel for their non revenue sports would get cut down significantly.
FSU fan here. None of us want to have anything to do with the SEC and ESPN. So we would be thrilled to join the B10.
Notre Dame/Stanford should be big ten
ND is in the BIG TEN in hockey!!!!
Duke-Carolina basketball rivalry is going no where. They will continue playing each year. Questions is 1 game or still 2. They are not tied together. UNC will be going to the Big 10 and Duke will eventually end up in the Big12. Big 12 seems headed towards an elite basketball conference.
Nah. First, UNC is now leaning SEC and will try and coattail DUKE. If that doesn't work, DUKE likely stays in the rebuilt Tier 2 ACC. Would likely go BIGEAST over the BIG12 if it came to that.
@@tarheel7406 As a Big East basketball fan adding Duke would be epic.
@@purpleivory2 BIG12 fans just don't understand how it's viewed from the perspective of prestige. Vs. the BIG12, the BIGEAST is a better option for long-term basketball relevance and DUKE's non-revenue sports could be maintained via private foundations. The BIG12 is already the worst P4 in non-revenue sports.
@@tarheel7406at this point you’re just projecting your personal feelings towards the Big12. The truth is, They will benefit greatly from the ACC’s crumble. The possibility is increasing that Duke is a legitimate target for the Big12 as well as Pitt Louisville VT and Miami (although Miami might be attractive to the B1G if they land FSU). The Big12 will be America’s conference should the ACC fall.
@@Rodkicks88 Nope...
a) I do have a handle on the general perspectives of the ACC members. The ACC has also preemptively backfilled, one of the purposes being to avoid any members having to go to the new BIG12. The PAC had to actually collapse before any member reluctantly moved to the BIG12. Whether this view is justified or not, it exists.
b) The BIG12 went deeper in its grave upon the death of the PAC and would again if the ACC completely scatters. The P2 gets stronger while the BIG12 treads water.
c) Targeting and getting are different things. The BIG12 didn't really poach the PAC; it collected refugees.
Notre Dame will almost never get the 5 seed over the B10 or SEC runner up.
Essentially would have to go undefeated.
Notre Dame gets a bye not playing a conference championship game.
There going too be two different groups, olympic sports & non olympic sports. The non Olympic sports like football will have mega conference while Olympics need to go back to regional conferences for travel reason.
Academics plays a huge role in Big Ten membership and I do not think they would be interested in any non AAU member schools.
Nebraska is currently the only non AAU school in The Big Ten. Nebraska was an AAU member but lost their membership in 2011 after they had already been long time members of The Big Ten .
As an interesting FYI ..... these are currently all the Division 1 schools by conference that are members of Association of American Universities
American Athletic Conference -
Tulane
Rice
U of Southern Florida
ACC -
Duke
Georgia Tech
Stanford
Cal Berkeley
Miami (FL)
North Carolina
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Atlantic 10 -
George Washington
Big 10 -
Indiana
Michigan State
Northwestern
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue
Rutgers
UCLA
Illinois
Iowa
Maryland
Michigan
Minnesota
Oregon
USC
Washington
Wisconsin
Big 12 -
Arizona State
Arizona
Colorado
Kansas
Utah
Big West -
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC Riverside
UC San Diego
UC Santa Barbara
Coastal Athletic Association -
Stony Brook
Ivy League -
Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Princeton
Penn
Yale
MAC -
Buffalo
Patriot League -
Boston U
SEC -
Texas A & M
Florida
Missouri
Texas
Vanderbilt
We already have the greatest basketball rivalry. It’s called Indiana vs Purdue.
Honestly?
@@tarheel7406 He's right! Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoosiers! And Purdue just landed in the NCAA Basketball Championship tonight. So...take that UNC.
@@daveowens9849 INDIANA has not been basketball irrelevant for a long time. The most viewed college basketball games each year generally include either UNC or DUKE. There are UNC/DUKE watch parties all over the US. The games almost always deliver and have something on the line. No one cares outside of the B1G core footprint (if that many) about IND/PURDUE.
Just silly homers.
@@tarheel7406 I agree that UNC-Duke basketball is bigger than Indiana-Purdue rivalry in recent decades, if only because they have both been competing for and winning ACC and national titles. At the same time, watch parties are held around the country for all kinds of games whether it is a regular game, a rivalry, or big game with something on the line by alumni clubs in distant cities and other fan groups for most major schools.
ND already said recently they were going to stay independent. You should be looking at Clemson and fl state.. they are making a fuss because they are either going to the b1g or SEC.
Miami is not going to the b1g
@@James-fh9zd, why? Because you said so?
@@malcolmjones27 if you paid attention to any realignment news they (Miami) are most likely going to the Big12. Espn just released an article on ND March 28 2024. The new AD said “independent status is more valuable than ever”. Do some research before you chime in.
What does UNC's academic rep have to do with their athletic programs? Have you forgotten about their NCAA probe & academic scandal from a few years ago?
Duke is a private school. They aren’t tied to UNC. NC State is tied to UNC. They are both public schools.
Now do an sec version of this video.
Sec/ESPN might have gotten FSU, but they done whizzed them off.
B1G would value FSU more and treat them better.
As an FSU fan, I don’t want to go to a conference when people cheer for there rivals
If FSU were not snubbed for Alabama in the previous CFP in spite of a 13-0 season with the ACC title, I would have agreed they would have been SEC bound at some point.
But with ESPN having major influence in the CFP and the means of media production in the SEC now that they took over the afternoon game from CBS, FSU is not going anywhere near the SEC. As a matter of fact, the reason why FSU is going nasty in the courts right now against the ACC is because they don't want their home games on ESPN anymore. On top of other factors, the B1G has a much nicer media deal that I am sure would benefit FSU and many others.
FSU will likely bring Miami with them to continue their rivalry as well as having a suitable travel partner.
Secondly, the UNC alumni base is more interested in the SEC because that part of NC is more of a College Football dead zone and would help fill up the map for the SEC. UNC to SEC will also help NC State and Duke get in at least on a partial share that way the basketball rivalries will be maintained.
What about Nc State,Wake Forest,those particular schools I feel that the ACC should go after ECU, USF quite frankly those additions would be great …for the conference and let NC State BC,Wake Forrest be the anchors of the conference quite frankly ……
Tier 1 of expanded Big Ten, SEC, and Big 12. 24 teams each, for a total of 72 teams, 16 team playoff, each gets from 4-6 teams in the playoff. No conference championships because they’ll be in the playoffs. Award conference champions based on win/loss and tie breakers or shared co-champions. Tier 1 commissioner and commissioners office to work with the 3 on structure, players pay, rules, etc. Look, the SEC is interested in expanding its footprint to States they are not in, which is why North Carolina and maybe Virginia make sense for them. Big Ten is interested in Florida State, Clemson, Miami, of course Notre Dame if/when ready, maybe a Georgia Tech and Pitt. Big 12 picks up teams out of the ACC that don’t get invited into the Big Ten and SEC. The Big Ten may look to round out at 24 with another team or two out west, like a Utah as an example. Tier 2 will be the other Div 1 teams with their own conferences and own playoff.
Hold up, do you really think the B1G Presidents would rather have Pitt over Stanford?
@@troywest7045 I said, “The Big Ten may look to round out at 24 with another team or two out West…”
The SEC has a lot of flagship institutions of each state it’s in.
University of Texas
University of Oklahoma
University of Arkansas
University of Missouri
University of Mississippi (ole miss)
Louisiana State University
University of Alabama
University of Tennessee
University of Kentucky
University of South Carolina
University of Georgia
University of Florida
We would gladly take the University of North Carolina & the University of Virginia.
I can’t see fsu in big ten
My wish: fix conference realignment
Not seeing UCLA @ #10 & Stanford @ #15 in terms of attractiveness, nor Cal @ #22.
The State of Florida brings some of the best recruiting and TV viewership in the nation… the BIG10 would be THE National Conference if they grab them. And the conference would add BIG games… FSU vs OSU or Michigan… BIG draws… who cares about OSU vs Purdue or Rutgers or Indiana or Minnesota… get the picture?
I'm all for FSU and whoever from the ACC, just realize the next media deal is in 2030 and new members get half shares till then.
My prediction for ACC is them adding SDSU, Colorado St, USF, and either Memphis or Tulane
There is no future for the ACC.
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1np how do you figure schools like Boston College, Stanford, Cal, Wake Forest, SMU, etc aren’t going to still be in the ACC? They’re not going anywhere and, if they play their cards right, can only have 4 schools leave
@@brandonh5360 when FSU, Clemson and UNC go to the BIG and SEC, Louisville, Pitt, VT, NCS and Miami will go to the Big 12. Stanford and Cal would go independent in football and everyone else will be regulated to the AAC.
"My prediction for ACC is them adding SDSU, Colorado St, USF, and either Memphis or Tulane"
Why? The ACC has already preemptively backfilled. Smaller regionals make better sense for a Tier 2. The ACC seems to be managing its decline to maintain its current branding.
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1np "when FSU, Clemson and UNC go to the BIG and SEC, Louisville, Pitt, VT, NCS and Miami will go to the Big 12."
Why? The BIG12 would still be seen as a downgrade from the perspective of a ACC remainder.
Notre Dame needs to join a conference. This source you’ve pulled from show the tv viewership: 1) Ohio State 2) Alabama 3) Texas 4) Florida State. Your Chart is not about tv viewership. Market attractiveness, Academic Resources. *I hope AAU Status is not included in ranking. The AAU is a glorified Lobbyist group, that seeks federal funds. The AAU is like a country club, it is by invitation only & it is fluctuating where university’s may join & may be kicked out. It should never be used for the quality of education. Those are the words of a current AAU Member. Because, Stanford & Cal would not be planning to fly across the Country. FOX wants Florida State University above any others out there, I don’t know where the SEC stands? A reporter asked SEC Commissioner Gregg Sankey: Does the SEC have any interest in FSU & he answered: What conference does not have interest in Florida State? That is up from no. lol. Florida State University is a national brand. ESPN & FOX will most likely be the decision maker. 🍀
I'm sorry, but the University Presidents vote on expansion. Fox can agree to amend the media deal, but that's about it. These Presidents are academic types, who are probably less concerned about a schools TV ratings than they are about AAU status.
It’s been a bit of an open secret that the Big Ten has coveted Virginia, UNC and Georgia Tech. And now that Miami is an AAU school, it makes a lot of sense for the Big Ten, too. I expect when it’s all said and done, and I have no idea when that will be, those four schools will join the Big Ten along with Duke, probably, and perhaps Notre Dame. I expect the SEC to add NC State, Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech and possibly both Pitt and Syracuse.
Cal, Stanford, SMU will then all get swept up by the Big XII, along with Pitt and Syracuse if they don’t go to the SEC, and Wake and BC get shafted like Washington State and Oregon State.
They would offer Stanford a spot before they would Duke imo
Stanford probably has Duke beat in every category, except maybe attendance. Those Cali people don't show up for games.
@@troywest7045 DUKE has a blue revenue sport while STANFORD doesn't.
@Depressed Ginger...The 'news' about Notre Dame not getting a bye in the CFP is nothing new. This was negotiated well over a year ago and Notre Dame was fine with never getting a bye, even if ranked in the Top-4. This was the concession ND had to make to maintain their independence in football. With their recent NBC contract extended (terms not disclosed) the dollar discrepancy between the Power-2 and ND has narrowed to a range that ND is comfortable with. That being said, if the ACC collapses, I could see Notre Dame entering the BIG.
Attractiveness list is worthless.
B1G takes Stanford (=deal to Wash & Oregon) and ND (same deal as with ACC, FBall independent, all other sports). 6 B1G games in football with permanent opponents USC & Stanford. Rotate other conference games.
Let’s put the Big 10 wish list in a logical order
1: ND: Pretty obvious.
2: FSU; Noles are an easy second.
3: UNC: Although I suspect SEC.
4: Clemson: Same as UNC.
5: Miami: Likely FSU travel partner
6: Stanford: But Rejected already .
7: UVA: Public Flagship but Stanford “Lite.”
8: GT: They do have Atlanta and academics.
9: BC: But only their hockey team.
10: The rest of the ACC: They have no shot:
B10 Targets Ranked:
1. Notre Dame
2. FSU
3. Miami
4. UNC
5. Clemson
6. Duke
7. UVA/VT
I was with you until you snuck in VT
FSU and Clemson don’t meet the requirements
Clemson at 5 is crazy. Clemson is easily #3 if FSU is #2
@@zachellenburg5738 for the SEC they would be but not for the B1G.
We won’t join big 10 we are mad at them.
Fox wants FSU, money talks
You have zero clue ginger ask gilligan for help
The Big 10 should be Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota. Period.
Conferences need to go away. The Big 10 is not ten teams and the B12 is up to more than 12. Why not just merge interested teams into one big affiliation of teams to maybe 50 or 60 teams? Set up the rules and scheduling format and stop all this nonsense about who gets which teams. If ND wants to be independent go play non-affiliated teams and do its own thing.
i hate this bring back the pac 12
Your analysis is just awful. Duke 😂😂😂😂😂 is this a joke? This dude sucks off the SEC. Sec gets FSU and Clemson. Big gets garbage.