This is how the Big Ten, SEC & Big 12 will split the ACC
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2024
- This is how the Big Ten, SEC & Big 12 will split the ACC according to Grayson Grundhoefer on Crystal Ball CFB. UNC and Virginia look perfect for the Big Ten while Clemson and Florida State are shoo-ins for the SEC. Who might the Big 12 take out of Duke, Louisville, Pitt and the others?
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B1G - Miami, NC, VA, GT
SEC - Clemson, FLST, VT, NCST
XII - Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, Duke
AAC - WF, BC
I completely agree with your choices. There's no way three Florida schools wind up in the SEC, and Georgia Tech is the east coast equivalent of Cal -- drastically undervalued, perfect for the B1G. NCSU and VT are better cultural fits for the SEC, but if it says no, nobody goes anywhere. State politics in both Virginia and North Carolina will demand that State and Tech get similar athletic funding to UNC and UVa, who will prefer the Big Ten. Syracuse may be a bit of a surprise, but Yormark salivates over 30,000+ SU basketball crowds at the dome. I also agree Wake and Duke are left out of this game of conference musical chairs.
@@VincentPaterno-hs2fv Yeah with Miami having AAU status, and even if it didn't, the SEC has a maximum of 2 per state and they've favored FSU over Miami since day one. I think the 4 schools going to the XII are really the best you could expect after the top 8 teams have left. I don't see any place else for WF and BC besides the American or Sunbelt. Yormark's basketball angle is absolute genius as far as I'm concerned because you can't have a true national championship without most of the existing and rumored schools.
Don't think the Big 12 opts for Duke.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225agreed, Duke as a school. feels more B10 than they do B12….Also, splitting NC/Duke apart is the college hoops equivalent of splitting the Yankees/Red Sox. I think they’re an unofficial package deal.
Pitt an Louisville are no brainers for the Big12 if available….WVU, Pitt, Cinci, and Louisville would be a fun pocket of regional rivals.
Louisville, solid historic hoops brand despite being down now and Pitt brings the backyard braw back with WVU.
Louisville-Cinci are two towns that are like 1.5 hours apart and already has a rivalry where they play for the “keg of nails trophy”
Very well done. People seem to forget what GT would bring to the Big 10. You are one of the few that truly get it.
Great show and really like the B12 adds
I don’t know why BIG 10 would not want Pitt they are geographically in a perfect zone and used to play a lot of the teams when they were in the Big East back in the day The old Pitt vs Penn State rivalry was fantastic
This Just In!!
The ACC still one of 3 conferences to not lose anybody. 😢😢
Why aren’t you counting Maryland?
Hahaha! Give it time...and don't forget The Terps - they were first.
@@VBHokie How many conference championships have the Terps won since leaving the ACC. Are they filling their football stadium for home games?
will the north carolina legislature alllow unc and nc state to be split up? is the same true with university of virginia and va. tech ?
Uva and VT were in separate conferences before 2004.
Miami should definitely go to the Big Ten! That would be a major win, win for Miami and the Big Ten. FSU and Clemson would be a huge win, win for the SEC!
what about smu, stanford, cal or did they go to the big 12 i can’t keep up anymore
Outside of Vandy, Florida State would be way above the academic threshold in the SEC
Not really, Florida and Georgia are both better schools
South Carolina
Down below, Michael makes a 20-teamer for the Big12, 10 east of the Mississippi, 10 west of the Mississippi. Helluva an idea. If there are other commissioners, presidents, and ADs as forward thinking as Yormark, and suddenly, you have improved your status. Go Big!! Go Big12!! (Big 20).
As a West Virginia fan you have to take pit first no matter what. Then if Miami is available and doesn't go to the SEC take them. A couple of these ACC schools blocked West Virginia from going to the ACC and was some bitter comments made about WVU fans and academics and I think it was Boston college and Duke so West Virginia may try to return the favor. But Virginia tech and Louisville would also be a great fit for the Big 12. Would not count out Notre Dame because the Big ten and SEC may want them to become full members and they may not want to so they may join the Big 12 with exceptions. But the big 12 should definitely pass on the pac-12 teams for now.
Sankey has said they want the SEC to remain faithful to its geography so Notre Dame isn't in the realm of possibility. They're practically in Chicago and Mizzou will be only "damned Yankees" in the SEC.
Where does Wake Forest go?
Mountain West Conference 😂
Fox wants into Florida. Remember they preferred UCLA for the LA Market rather then Oregon. I would also note Miami getting AAU status which helps with the Big 10.
Fox already got into Florida
If you're referring to the commuter school in Orlando, I'm sure they are thinking bigger, and playing games with bigger than the G5 and left behind version of the "P5".
@@benjaminhawkes6693 That’s some world 🌎 class shade but true. Fox 🦊 is writing a $350,000,000 check to B10. B10 won’t be adding programs which Fox/NBC & CBS don’t want to💰 for.
B1G would prefer FSU over Miami…FSU president want B1G for academics as well
AAU is a pretty big deal for the B1G. They want 4 corners. Miami, NC, Washington and ND. If no ND then it’s Stanford or Oregon. Georgia Tech is in play also. Imho. Not many Markets left either.
The SEC has already said they don’t want Miami, but they will consider FSU and Clemson.
However, they are now an AAU institution. The Big 10 will get interested. It will put them into Florida.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 yes the big ten does want them, along with UNC and UVA. Probably will try to get GT too.
@@RedMage409 agree with your B1G assessment. Who do you think the SEC will go after? I think FSU, Clemson, NC St, and VT.
@@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 same, with Big Ten taking UNC, UVA, GT and Miami. Big 12 probably gets Louisville and Pitt.
@@RedMage409what happens to BC, Syr, Duke and Wake then? If those schools aren’t taken by SEC, or B1G, I’d totally see the B12 at least taking Duke for bball, maybe even Syr to get into NY.
Why r so many people so high on Virginia tech? They finished mid table in the acc with Clemson having a down year. Also, Virginia’s tv market is dominated by UVA. The gobblers aren’t even that historic and I don’t think have ever won a championship in any sport 😂. -UNC fan
For a team to change conferences - they would have to increase the media rights deal of the conference they are moving into. That means - move it enough to increase the per team share of the existing members. This becomes increasingly challenging as the number of teams in conferences has increased. The real issue is how much ESPN has control in this.
ACC has enough value teams where its going to get eaten up. Florida State / Clemson / UNC or NC State and Virginia or Virginia Tech would add value to the SEC. The same list of schools plus Miami or Georgia Tech would add value to the BIG 10. That same list of schools plus Louisville and Pittsburgh add value to the BIG 12.
IMO, being that ESECPN is the one that's piling on the money for the SEC, they will be a heavy weight in any conversation of who the SEC brings into their conference. I could be wrong but that's what I believe...
Considering political, cultural, and academic ties this is how I see B10/SEC in the long run.
FSU & Miami go together to the B10. After that the SEC get back into the expansion pool. After that this is how I see it shaking out:
B10: FSU, MIA, UVA, VT, GT, Pitt
SEC: UNC,NCST, Duke, CLEM, OKST, TCU, Baylor, Louisville
Per legislation the NC and VT schools respectively have to go together. Both sides draw each. Duke, TCU, and Baylor go to the SEC with religious ties appealing to the Bible Belt. The B10 gets into metro markets of Miami, Atlanta, & Pittsburgh with adding those three schools.
None of those schools going to the B1G would get anymore than what Wa/Or got last year, which is half shares till 2030.
You guys forget that by adding all these "power schools" somebody's gonna wind up being a bottom feeder! More Vandy, South Car, Missouri, the Mississippi schools, one of the Texas schools, more than like, several Fla schools, and Kentucky to name a few.
Totally agree with you. The stupidity of realignment will set in motion the schools that can spend the money for players that will demand a lot of money through NIL. Texas being admitted to the SEC was a no brainer. I give it 10 years, hypothetically, SEC headquarters will be located in Austin, Texas. I understand a bit why Nick Saban is not a fan of NIL. Now for Saban haters that may reply, hear me out. I completely understand that Alabama spends an enormous amount of their money on football and coach Saban earns a huge annual paycheck. What I'm stating is that a program such as Texas can potentially swallow up the competition based on how much money they can compensate a lot of recruits signing to commit to Texas. This is why coach Nick Saban had a gripe with hc Jimbo Fisher. Of course, Texas A&M is nowhere near as great as a college football program as Alabama. However, institution wise, Texas A&M had much more resources through their endowment power than Alabama. If you look at Texas, they even make Texas A&M look like a step child which was why Texas A&M transferred from the Big 12 to the SEC. I feel the conference expansions of the BIG10 and SEC will do more damage than good long term. The greed has messed with a bunch of collective heads. And here we are. NFL scouts in turn will do everything to seek talent from players from other so-called inferior college football programs. The amount of money these NIL players will demand from NFL franchises once they are selected in the 1st round will be through the roof. The NFL as always will adjust.
What makes you think that Miami would want the SEC? As to FSU, the fans want SEC. Lots of academics want the B1G. What happens?
I think both Florida teams would have their pick. I mean Miami and FSU would be a great addition to any conference. Hopefully the Big 12 gets Miami that way us mountaineers can party in Miami. 🤣😂
The "academics" have a fiduciary duty to do what's best for the school; you know, that bunch of buildings where there are supposed to be students learning things as opposed to NFL light with knuckle draggers beating in their heads pretending they are student athletes.
@@romanmoronie what would be best for the school under that scenario would be the B1G, which has a massive academic alliance. Multiple B1G schools apply for grants and do research together on far flung campuses.
As one example, the NJ Cancer Center is a research arm of Rutgers. It is one of the top cancer research facilities in the country. They have been doing cutting edge cancer research with about five other B1G schools. This allows them to do things that would likely be impossible for one facility.
Students at B1G schools can take classes at any other school, if their campus does not offer something, etc., etc.
Those are reasons why the academics may have different view than fans, many alumni or students.
Big 10 gets: Miami, Georgia Tech, UVA, UNC
SEC gets: FSU, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech
Big 12 gets: Pitt, Louisville
Go football independent, but Big East gets in basketball: Duke, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College
Your close to what i think,
I see the SEC going Florida St, Clemson, North Carolina State and Virginia Tech. 2 new marketing, NCST and Virginia Tech have great college football Atmosphere and car about athletes.
Miami just got AAU Status, a big tv marketing, and would be a nice addition with Georgia Tech (Alanta), North Carolina, and Virginia to the Big 10.
Duke, Pittsburgh, Syracuse and Louisville to the Big 12. Duke, Louisville being basketball royalty and Duke top 4 in basketball, Top 4 is very close and a seasoncan change any ranking. Pittsburgh, Louisville, and Syracuse all bring naturally Rivalries back to Big 12 with Cincinnati and West Virginia. Make for competitive Rivalries from the old Big East.
Boston College, Wake Forest Cal, Stanford and SMU unfortunately be on the outside looking in again.
For what purpose such a large and wide Tier 2 BIG12?
@@tarheel7460 Is there no limit to your stupidity and dishonesty?
Fun thought experiment but why would the SEC and Big 10 take schools that have significant lesser value than Kansas?
Puzzles me too.
This would require the Big10, Sec and Big12 to work together and I don't see the Big10 working with the SEC if they don't get at least 1 Florida School be it FSU or Miami and I don't see the SEC working with the Big10 unless they get either Virginia or North Carolina. Could they split it and Virginia or NC goes SEC while the Big10 gets Miami or FSU, possible but still it would require everyone working together. The only way I could see the Big10 working with the SEC to break apart the ACC and letting the SEC have all the teams in Florida would be if they where 100% for sure to get Notre Dame and there is no way that is possible.
The B1G has no interest in UNC and UVA. The problem is that both the SEC and the B1G will be coming after FSU.
@@wally8787yes they do. They are two of the Big Ten’s top targets. They also want Miami.
@@wally8787 That is not true. As of last week, reputable Big 12 sources have reported that the Big 10 has its eyes on UVA and UNC more than anything outside UND. They might end up splitting UVA and UNC with the SEC. And PAC additions will also have to be addressed by the Big 10. They know they cannot afford them all without some kind of dilution.
Its not the conference deciding where these schools go, its the schools deciding where the want to go. If Miami, NC, VA all want to go to the Big ten, guess what that's where they are going to SEC doesn't have any say in it.
@@wally8787 they've repeatedly been rumored be interested in unc/UVA... Fsu interest has been relatively recent.
The B10/SEC will take 2 each. UM/Clemson/UNC/FSU. ND comes later. The rest will backfill.
Why would Miami work so hard to obtain their AAU status along with Notre Dame?
Better question is why did the AAU add unworthy members?
@@tarheel7460 Is there no limit to your stupidity and dishonesty?
As a WVU fan, I think a Pitt-VT-Duke-Louisville combination would be amazing. (Are we even sure that Duke would keep their football program if they do not get a B10 invite?)
As a Big XII fan I like your choices, but B.Y. may look at the NY market and choose Syracuse over Duke.
@@adartsem I would LOVE it if Syracuse got the nod. They have a history of playing both good football and basketball.
I’d trade NC State with Duke
@@dacokc NC State is far better option. Duke is basketball school. NC State offers a football inroad into North Carolina. Duke will be lucky to get a BIG 12 invite and more likely they end up in the Big East for basketball.
in my opinion best case is Miami / Georgia Tech / Virginia Tech / NC State. Worst Case is NC State / Pittsburgh / Louisville / Syracuse
Paul Finebaum said Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech to Big 18.
Florida State doesn't want to be the *other* Florida school in SEC. I'm thinking FSU would go Big 10. IMHO.
Big 10 would pounce on Georgia Tech, Duke and North Carolina.
The sec needs to stop worrying about having more states in their territory with more than one school if you can get football schools the caliber of clemson and florida state you take them and hopefully get into the state of north Carolina and Virginia would be good also
Why do you assume the B1G, or any of the three conferences you mention would stop at picking up 4 ACC schools? The SEC has schools that are not in NFL markets - why would they now take Miami? Also, can FL block FSU or Miami? Can SC block Clemson? Can KY block Louisville? TX A&M could not block TX, but we're told that was a different set of circumstances.
The SEC doesn’t need FSU, or Clemson! However, UVA, Miami and UNC are worthy candidates, along with a few other non-ACC schools. Then, the B1G will grab FSU, Duke, Syracuse, Louisville and Notre Dame (who will also have an option to join the SEC should they choose to).
I could see the SEC taking OK state. That would open 5-6 spots for acc teams
There will be no more defections from the Big 12. Oklahoma State dislikes the SEC for taking Oklahoma.
Yep, that's next add, to go with FSU, Clemson, NCST/UNC, maybe GaTech - to the SEC.
I don't think Oklahoma State really moves the needle for the SEC. They already got Oklahoma.
@Patrick-sg7cm Well, good thing I'm in charge of the thinking ... :)
Ha!
If Pitt doesn’t go to the B1G Ten, then they are a lock to the Big 12. In reality though, ACC isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
They locked up in their tv deal til 2036
High school teams in Pittsburgh draw more fans than Pitt does. B10 you must be kidding. B12 maybe because they need some teams in the East.
@@pitchshot2868 lol. Such a stupid comment. Not surprised tbh from your fan base.
B1G has no interest in Pitt.
AAC/CUSA: Boston College, Wake Forest
BIG: Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Virginia
Big (Little) 12: Louisville, Miami, Pittsburgh and Syracuse
Ivy: Duke
SEC: Clemson, Florida State, NC State and Virginia Tech
This would be my dream scenario! So, it won't happen. 😔
In what world do you think B1G would take 3 schools that have never won a National Championship over a school that has won 5, is in the best recruiting area, is an AAC school and is in the one of the largest TV markets? 🤡
@@jakenunya1587: Because those three schools fit the BIG AAU and ACADEMIC Profile BETTER, and it puts them into three different states for ENLARGING their footprint... Pretty Simple LOGIC!!!
HOWEVER, Miami could get an invite, depending on NAUTY SHAMES Arrogance!!!
California, Stanford, and SMU are joining the ACC
I was told NC State and UNC are required by state law to be in the same conference. Does anyone know for sure if that's true?
And duke will go with NC because of basketball blue blood history
@@slibertas1996 There is no such thing as blue blood history, only money.
It’s not a law, but the state legislature is trying to pressure any interested conference into taking them as a package deal. Same with UVA and VT. I doubt the Big Ten or SEC will do it.
That has historically been true. I do not think it is a "law" necessarily, but it has been a "rule." I dont know if the amount of money each school could pull in from different conferences would change that. Both schools are part of the State government, i.e. State institutions that are part of the NC school system. The legislation hasnt hesitated to get involved with dictating games with ECU, so who knows what will happen from a legislative standpoint.
nope
And you completely ignore the ACC Grant of Rights, like it doesn't even exist. Maybe in 5-8 years FSU and Clemson buy their way out of the ACC but this ACC Chinese Fire Drill scenario is just pie in the sky baseless speculation.
If 8 ACC teams opt to leave and pay for it, the ACC will end.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 Back in 1979 if Suzzanne Summers had been willing to marry me I'd be living in LA today. But like the dissolution of the ACC, it ain't going to happen.
I tell you right now Florida State is not going to the SEC Florida State is doing everything they can to get AAU status you got to have AAU status to get in the Big Ten every team besides Nebraska has got it
I think people are tired of Norte Dame. They play a weak schedule compared to the SEC or B1G. They usually schedule one or two Major powers. Surround those games with a service academy or mid American school. They are ranked highly every year. Then get knocked out of the top 25.
ESPN has kind of poisoned the well wirh FSU which is why they are leaning Big 10 with their relationship with FOX. SEC would continue to tie them with ESPN.
It’s about brands. What brand matchups generate the biggest paydays. Markets don’t matter bc everything is moving to streaming. Academic fit doesn’t matter much either. FSU is going to the Big 10. SEC doesn’t want them, and there’s bad blood w ESPN after playoff snub. UNC to the BIG. ND stays Indy. Clemson and VaTech to the SEC. Miami, Pitt, Louisville and Virginia to the Big 12. But don’t be surprised if the Big 10 boots Rutgers and Maryland to make room for UVA and Duke.
Switch Duke with NC State for the B12 and I am good. Gives WV more options and not so isolated.
The SEC does not want Miami. Florida State University is ranked as the 19th Best Academic Public University in the Country: In fact we are tied with Maryland & Rutgers by US News & World Report, this is the 4th year FSU has been between 15th - 19th ranking. Many are unaware of the quality of education at Florida State University. The tv viewership during the regular season has been 1st since joining the ACC, and one of the highest in the Nation.
I AM A BAMA FAN. I HAVE WANTED TO SEE CLEMSON &
FLORIDA STATE IN THE SEC.
SOUTH CAROLINA IS ALL READY IN SEC TO THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT
CLEMSON SHOULD BE IN THE
SEC TOO I BELIEVE IT WOULD MAKE IT A BIG TIME
GAME BETWEEN CLEMSON & SOUTH CAROLINA THAT WAY IT BE AWESOME TO SEE
TWO SCHOOL'S IN THE SAME
CONFERENCE. THAT'S THE WAY SHOULD BE. I THINK TOO THAT FLORIDA STATE
IN THE SEC WOULD MAKE
THE GAME BETWEEN FLORIDA & FLORIDA STATE
MAKE A MORE BIG TIME
GAME LIKE WHEN ALABAMA & AUBURN GAME.
I JUST LOVE COLLEGE FOOTBALL. I THINK THAT
WOULD BE THE THING TO DO. 🙂
Historically, Pitt - Penn State is a much bigger rivalry.
Since the #’s in 2036 will be different than right now, by quite a bit, this is jumping the gun. While the SEC and Big10 will be far ahead of everyone else, the SEC will actually separate further from the Big10. If the ACC is up for grabs, here’s what happens: The SEC will get whoever they want. Then The Big 10, then The Big12, then whoever’s left out of that….. who knows?
I rather think all the ACC schools will find P5 homes.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 Boston College, Syracuse, and Wake Forest would likely end up in the AAC
Not sure why you think the SEC will "separate" itself from the B1G and get whoever they want. The B1G is national, and worth more $. The SEC is a regional/southern conference. The B1G has bigger resources and a better argument to join them, but in the end, it will be THE SCHOOLS' decision where they go, not the conferences.'
Think the Pac-12 will sign a deal giving Oregon and Washington an opt out after two years
The sleepers are the ones to worry about in a deal. No way if I’m Stanford or Utah would I sign a deal that allows them to book but ties me into a dying conference for 7 years
@@carsonpittman136 Stanford doesn't care much about athletics and most Utah fans would riot if they joined the Big 12
Big 12 already has BYU we do not need Utah we already have that market.
I think the Sec would consider Fsu and Clemson
Maybe... CU/UA to the XII right now. Then things stabilize & the PAC signs a deal 3-5 years.
Then, in 3-5 years the pressure on the ACC get's to great and they open up. The B1G takes UW/UO and 2 from the ACC.
The SEC takes 4 from the ACC. The XII have six or 10 spots and starts inviting teams from the PAC/ACC & a G5 or two???
Yep, very possible.
Could be FSU, Clemson, NCSt, OkSt to the SEC.
UVA, UNC, MIA, GT to the Big10.
SYR, Pitt, Louisville, VaTech, + others to Big12.
But ESPN must agree, be included in Big10 this way.
@@CharlesFosterMalloy Why would Oklahoma State be wanted by the SEC? They already have a team in Oklahoma.
And if the B1G takes four from the ACC, does that mean they don't ever take UW/UO? (Or ND) IF the B1G does take UW/UO which two of the four from the ACC are now available for the SEC or XII?
@@aCycloneSteve None for now from the ACC, but they could be cutting deals behind closed doors as we speak. Big10 gets none from ACC without ESPN consent.
SEC, Big10 going to 25.
@@CharlesFosterMalloy Why would they go to 25? Only ND & maybe Clemson are worth the $80M-$100M that they would get. If they each add nine teams they will lower the average payout and make scheduling even tougher.
I don't see the Big XII being an upgrade to all these schools remaining in the ACC without Clemson and FSU. No one in the ACC cares about Miami so they can pay and go if they like as well. These 3 schools are higher on themselves than everyone else is. Clemson and FSU are the class of the league in football but do they really add much to the Big10 or SEC? Also at some point in the near future, the SEC and Big10 are going to look around and realize that they have 4 or 5 schools who don't add to the conference football dollars and cut them loose. Do you think Vandy or Northwestern really moves the needle, does Bama and Georgia want to get equal money with Vandy who is a doormat of the league in football. Same in the Big10 with several schools. It's a matter of time before they turn on themselves.
The left over ACC teams would join the leftover PAC-12 teams to form the PACC
Washington St
San Diego State
Oregon St
UC Berkeley
Stanford
UNLV
Boise St
VA Tech
Boston College
University of Pittsburgh
Georgia Tech
Syracuse
Wake Forrest
Duke University
This would actually be a pretty good idea. Take the ACC and pac 12 teams they hate religion and put them in one conference. 🤣😂 We'll call it the afterthought conference. Or the conference that doesn't play well with others. 🤣😂
@@davidframe1613 They could still be the ACC, just now the Agnostic Athletic Conference 😁
I would add Pitt before Louisville
Both make a complete Pod for WVU and Cincinatti.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 yes but Pitt brings the Backyard Brawl which is money 💰 for the conference
@@tazbo And Cincy vs Louisville, bring the Bucket of Nails. Both are old rivalries
You're right that's big money.
FSU and Miami bring no advantage to the SEC. Virginia and would be a much better fit in the Big-10
There's no way the Big ten would ever allow the SEC to have three teams in the State of Florida. The Big ten would act very quickly and make an offer to either Florida State or Miami and it would be pretty healthy to make sure the SEC could not do that.
I should probably watch the rest of the video before commenting anymore lol
Time to call up those FCS schools
The Bug 12 doesn’t benefit with Syracuse or Duke. Neither bring $ from football and Brett Yormark isn’t a social worker.
You were prescient.
To be honest, I think if Notre Dame is forced to join a conference, I think they would try to get into the SEC rather than the B1G. Notre Dame has rejected offers to join the B1G on multiple occasions, I think they go in a different direction and try to get into the SEC.
Would Notre Dame sacrifice in giving up their long standing football home games contrct with NBC to join the SEC full time? Would SEC let Notre Dame keep home game contract w/ NBC? That's probably main reason why Irish didn't originally join B1G 30+ years ago before Penn State joined when B1G was researching in possible expansion. Notre Dame has affiliation with ACC in all sports but football, but will televise Irish road games on ESPN due to tv contact w/ACC for about another 10 or so years with affiliation. Plus in terms of men's hockey, B1G IS ONLY Power 5 Conference that has Men's Hockey and Notre Dame is part of that. No other Power 5 has a Men's Hockey Conference. I know it's not that big $$$, but that's fact. Boston College think is only other ACC school & Power 5 school outside the B1G Conference that has college hockey to my knowledge.
Back to football side, ESPN didn't renew tv with B1G as Fox, CBS and NBC outbid for think new 8 or so year deal starting as early as this upcoming football season and w/ addition to USC & UCLA in B1G to gain LA market that's huge.
Furthermore, how would scheduling impact long standing USC-Notre Dame rivalry? Would SEC still adbide by that in negotiations and if for some weird reason not expand to 9 conference games probably starting in 2024 from current 8 w/ Texas & Oklahoma added, which started the domino effect? Like past years for last decade or so, Irish will have at least 1 night home game on NBC. This coming season it's versus Ohio State in addition to regular contract with home games (around 2:30pm eastern start time on tv from memory). So at worse case scenario until Irish affiliation with ACC and home game w/ NBC expires, Notre Dame could have at least 1 home night game with a B1G team/year, especially if it's rival USC every other year, pending on which team it is and scheduling. Furthermore, CBS televise B1G Men's Basketball and Conference Semifinal/Final right before Selection Sunday during Basketball season. Between grabbing 3:30 football spot that SEC had (which think I heard somewhere, unless mistaken, that SEC decline renewing contract with CBS before new B1G contract) and negotiating w/ NBC for primetime Saturday night, the B1G arguably made offer that got Notre Dame on notice and pending on how these next 8 or so years go on new B1G contract, maybe gave Irish some intersting decisions in thinking it maybe beneficial to join B1G in order to negotiate w/ NBC (along with CBS & Fox) and conference to expand television agreement in future years.
@@matthewsmith2241 obviously Notre Dame has the best of both worlds with it's current affiliation with the ACC and being a football independent. They aren't looking to make any kind of change until something happens to the ACC. Even if it does, I think they will still keep their independence until they don't have access to the playoffs. Being shut out of the playoffs would be the only thing I can think of that would force Notre Dame to join a conference.
@@Patrick-sg7cm agree on idea if Notre Dame is left out of playoffs and currently have best of both worlds. The question is how often will that happen here within the next 8-10 years? May not be often but depends on strength of schedule and talent during time, etc unless otherwise. As for possible rumors ACC implosion with at least 7 teams in mix, we shall wait and see. FSU and Clemson heard were main teams to ask more $$, which think ACC flexible to do, but did other schools especially ones in the mix to leave ACC want to be left behind? From recollection, think Notre Dame wasn't mentioned in the "Magnificent 7" teams in possibly leaving ACC so it could be somewhat a disadvantage to Irish if they're left out longer they go. In addition, unless figures/calculation are way off, Notre Dame get somewhat of maybe $50 million for a home games on NBC/year or some outrageous number alone for each home game/season; arguably about same or more compared to current SEC tv contract. New B1G contract from recollection is ~$1 billion/year for conference in next 8 years. Hence, $$ and igos are going to play roles in negotiations no matter what happens.
I think the Big 12 would allow Notre Dame to join them without forcing them to play by the same rules, so I think that's where they would end up if the SEC and Big ten force them to join their conferences without exceptions.
If ND went to the SEC, congrats, however, we all know that they would at best yearly would be 7/5 or 8/4!!! Yearly!!!
I think your right on with your Big-12 picks from the ACC! 👍😁
I think if chapel hill goes big 10 so does duke, Virginia can tech, and then pitt
I have to agree I think Duke and the tar heels are a pair and they fit best in the Big ten. But would be awesome to see them in the Big 12 basketball conference with Gonzaga also added.
What makes you think BIG TEN wants these garbage schools?
@@ronwilliams8529 UNC, UVA & GATECH have all passed on prior B1G offers.
VT and louisville need to go to the Big 12
So what P5 conference takes Syracuse and Boston College?
Oh wait.... Hahahaha.
Florida State and Clemson to the SEC is possible. The SEC is not interested in Miami. It would too many Florida schools.
The big 12 is focus on football. I don’t see how you equating basketball to the big 12.
Grayson just a guess. An educated guess but just a guess
I’m quite sure the SEC will have first pick of all the Acc teams in the south and the Big ten and Big twelve with have to split up what’s left of the acc I personally would like to see Georgia tech and Clemson come back to the SEC as well pick up NC both Virginia schools and maybe FSU to have the south locked down to recruiting if they do that there will probably rarely be any other conference that has a team representing them win the Natty …… oh wait my bad that’s already been happening for almost 2 decades
And that's where you're wrong. All you have to do is follow the money. The Big Ten will get Miami, or Florida State.
@@lukecalhoun6569 fine with me the SEC already has most eyes in the state of Florida so the big ten can have em both only teams really worth having in the Acc is Clemson the NC and Virginia schools and maybe Georgia tech only because they used to be in the SEC if they can get that no other conference will win the Natty except and occasionally lucky school
The SEC gets "first pick" of nothing. The schools will get multiple enticing offers, and THEY will decide where they go.
@@careyconley4690 yea lmao sure they will I’m sure they are knocking each other over to go to the SBC AAC or even the bIG ten because those conferences have produced so many more National Champions than the SEC lol please how many National championships since 2006 do other conferences have????? Yea that’s right not very many
@@rodneydockins3485You don't understand the difference between conference economics and championship trophies, do you?
Nothing is happening with the ACC in the "next year or two". How am I supposed to enjoy your video when you say something so stupid one minute in?
So the SEC gets Popeye , The Hulk and Godzilla .. and the Big 10 gets Pee-Wee Herman + Chip n Dale .. No thanks Bud .. Only thing you said that made sense was NC State to the SEC.
SEC needs Basketball and new state schools, we are Football HEAVY.. NC State , Duke, Virginia and VaTech would make the most sense with Clemson as well.
How about the ACC poaching the littlexii??
There is nothing small about Duke University. The size of their medical school could compete against most international airports in the United States.
Duke is small bro…
First, Duke's medical school, which is a fine medical school, is about average in enrollment when compared to all the other medical schools in the country. That said, I wasn't aware Duke had an International Airport ?
Pitt, Virginia Tech & Louisville are great cultural fits for the Big 12. Duke culturally I don't know, although it would make sense for BB, I'd love to have them Then, I'd add Colorado & UConn.. By adding UConn with the other 4 ACC schools that would give the conference 8 schools in the east & 10 schools in the heartland. Add either the Arizona schools or Arizona & Utah you got a Big XX. If you were to use the same font as the currrent Big XII, that is one sharp conference design, you simply change the logo to the Big XX.
Pitt Virginia tech and Louisville are all great matches for West Virginia and Cincinnati. Pit and West Virginia should be a pair it's a love-hate relationship but the money that their game draws is unbelievable.
UConn is wasting a football spot. Would be far better to get a Southeast team. Someone like Georgia Tech or NC State will be without a chair in the SEC or Big 10. These teams add more money from football than UConn does for basketball and are in far better recruiting areas meaning both the teams will be more competitive on a regular basis or that their recruits could be poached by other schools in the conference. For example adding Pitt, VTech and Louisville they would rather have you add NC State or Georgia Tech and open recruiting for them there as part of the conference footprint rather than add UConn who offers nothing but basketball which dont matter.
@@tomdemay6147 All this may be true, but like it or not UConn is in the #1 TV Market, NYC. It's called EXPOSURE, something the conference needs.
@@simon2077why do you guys think your getting UConn
FYI The ACC teams have to Go to Court and Win the rights to get out of the GOR deal until that happens no team from the ACC is allowed to leave, so you media guys are dreaming at this point
Wet dream for B1G, SEC and Big12 fans.
The new alliance is the SEC, B1G, and the Big 12. "How the turn tables," -Michael Scott
All they have to do is vote to dissolve the conference once the 8 teams all have a guaranteed landing spot. The GOR is moot if there’s no conference.
@@RedMage409how much will espn settle for? Voting to disband the conference doesn't get you out of the espn contract.
@@larrypilgrim12 yes, it does. If there is no conference, any contracts with said conference become null and void. Dissolving the conference is possible because the ACC is headquartered in North Carolina, and therefore subject to its laws.
ESPN will try to push the top brands to the SEC to prevent Fox and the Big Ten from getting them. They know they can’t hold the ACC together forever with that horrible media deal, so they’ll try to cut their losses by keeping as many of those brands in their network as they can.
A division of cincy, wvu, pitt, vt, Louisville, Syracuse….oh wait…bring back big East football?
The SEC is not going to have 3 schools in Florida.
Sec will take Clemson, FSU, NC, and Virginia
The super conference is a myth no conference are going to add teams that are not worth the min gor. They would lower the value by adding teams that are not worth the contract.
And you left Miami out
SEC Florida St, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia
Big 10 Liberty, Duke, Miami, Georgia tech
Big 12 Louisville, NC State, Pittsburgh, Virginia tech
Liberty? Really?
@@ReisterJP Falwell's fundies in the Big Ten? Surely you jest, and as the great Leslie Nielsen said...
well if a cult like BYU is in the big 12 why not.
@@VincentPaterno-hs2fv The Big would rather die than take a fundie school like Liberty.
As a Liberty Alum, I don't think the Big 10 and Liberty would be the best fit for each other. While I personally would love the level of competition (we might actually be competitive in the middle of the pack) I just really don't think there would be any interest from the Big 10. Not unless we became an AAU school and a few other things. Culturally we might fit in better with the SEC or maybe the Big 12 (considering they have Baylor, TCU, and BYU now).
Excellent video, but let me tell you who I think the Big 3 Conferences should choose to invite if the ACC implodes, and why:
SEC: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami
Big Ten: Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame
Big 12: Louisville, NC State, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh
Georgia Tech is too firmly entrenched in SEC country to NOT go to the SEC. Plus, the Yellowjackets will have a natural rivalry with the Georgia Bulldogs. Meanwhile...Duke, Virginia, North Carolina & Notre Dame are all great academic schools, and the Big Ten has always prized academics. And as for the Big 12...Louisville, Virginia Tech & Pittsburgh all make perfect sense for the Big 12. I think the 4th spot could go to either NC State or Boston College. But I chose NC State simply because that school's a slightly better fit, at least in my eye.
SEC doesn't want GA Tech back. They also aren't going to add two schools from FL.
GA Tech and Miami would fit better in B1G.
Syracuse should be in big 10
In the wake of the PAC-12 imploding, why does this enter the feed?
Duke, BC, WF, and Cuse get left out.
Duke really only fits in the Big 12 because of basketball. I don't see the SEC or the Big 10 wanting them.
@@davidframe1613 Dukes fans don’t travel to games in any sport. Big 12 isn’t a great fit either.
Norte dame needs to grow up and join the big 10
SEC doesn't want more than two schools from the same state but if they made an exception it would be for Miami the convicts are coming back. Plus Florida is growing so fast I wouldn't be surprised if they took a third team from Texas some day as well.
I have to agree with you. Everyone keeps sayin that FSU, Clem, n Miami will go to the SEC. Unfortuantely, the truth is they most likely won't go to the SEC because it's not about schools anymore. It's about TV markets and $$$$$$ so each conference will be selecting teams based on TV and $$$$$$ . Therefore, the SEC is not going to pick these teams as they already have those TV markets covered.
Wrong. The SEC already said they don’t want Miami, but will consider FSU and Clemson.
@@RedMage409 Miami is now AAU and may be a drawing card for the Big 10. Gets them in Florida.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 yes Miami is a big ten target. Not so for the SEC.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 So New Big12 Hypothetically With No PAC Additions & PAC Doesn’t Expand & ACC Can Be Considered.
East Division:
1.Boston College
2.Uconn
3.Pitt
4.Louisville
5.West Virginia
6.Cincinnati
7.Wake Forest
8.Georgia Tech
9.Miami University Florida
10.UCF
West Division:
1.Iowa State
2.Kansas State
3.Kansas
4.Oklahoma State
5.TCU
6.Baylor
7.Houston
8.Texas Tech
9.BYU
10.San Diego State
Duke??? Surely you jest! B1G will go 2 ACC teams. FSU & UNC. NC State will want to go with UNCCheaat. Duke to the Big East - with Notre Dame and Syracuse.
SEC adds
Clemson
Florida State
NC State
Va Tech
Louisville
Ok State
Wake
North Carolina
Big 10 adds
Oregon
Washington
Stanford
Cal
Miami
ND
Ga Tech
Virginia
Big 12 adds
Syracuse
BC
Pittsburgh
Duke
UConn
Memphis
Arizona
Arizona state
Colorado
Utah
San Diego St
Oregon State
Washington state
2, 24 school conferences.
Schools that will
Also be in this talk
Tulane, USF, SMU, Boise State
The Big 12 will not take half those teams you mentioned. a lot of them are anti-religion and the Big 12 has multiple religious schools BYU Baylor and TCU. Notre Dame would be a good fit in the Big 12 and they can keep their TV contract.
The Big 12 shouldn't wait. A bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush.
Agreed. SEC and BigTen already have 16 schools.. if they add 4 they go to 20… mine as well have the Big12 at 20 too..
I don't think we will. Yormark is a deep thinker and a visionary.
What’s the all fired rush to add without any direction other than to just add? Surely quality should quantify any potential additions moving forward.
I think the Big 10 will get: Virginia and Duke (AAU and Basketball Blueblood, which they have not had since the fall of Indiana), as well as convince Notre Dame that they want more than salvation?. The SEC will get UNC, Florida State, Clemson, and Miami. The Big 12 may pick up Louisville, Pitt (for WVU and Cincy), and Georgia Tech (for UCF). Syracuse (for UConn), and BC. NC State may be too small for the SEC. They, too, are at 16. But, they may opt for VTU and NC State. After all, they took Missouri. And they are not as bright as the Big 10.
We can disagree with Georgia Tech but consider this. The Big 10 has not said a single word about them since 2019 (the last year they discussed adding Kansas). That is not their pattern, nor is the Big 10 really additional crazy right now since the departure of Kevin Warren. They know that over a specific number, chances are they run the risk of dilution. They also know to keep USC/UCLA happy, they have to get co-travelers to come in for them. They are already at 16 members. Wouldn't Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon or ASU make much more sense than going after Georgia Tech? I also see no interest in GTI from the SEC. If they wanted them, they would have had them.
Indiana is back as a basketball blue blood
So New Big12 Hypothetically With No PAC Additions & PAC Doesn’t Expand & ACC Can Be Considered.
East Division:
1.Boston College
2.Uconn
3.Pitt
4.Louisville
5.West Virginia
6.Cincinnati
7.Wake Forest
8.Georgia Tech
9.Miami University Florida
10.UCF
West Division:
1.Iowa State
2.Kansas State
3.Kansas
4.Oklahoma State
5.TCU
6.Baylor
7.Houston
8.Texas Tech
9.BYU
10.San Diego State
@@slibertas1996 Past performance. It seems to count when talking about who is a Blueblood. UCLA hasn't won a Natty since 89 but is still considered a blueblood.
@@michaelwall3393 I don't think Miami will ever go into the Big 12. Same with SDSU.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 I don’t either but was a hypothetical that I thought was more realistic than other people’s opinions and suggestions and formulations of the Big12. This is of course assuming BIG10 took Syracuse, Virginia, UNC, and Duke and SEC took Va Tech, NCST, Clemson, and Florida State. Because if that happens, then my hypothetical scenario would make sense. Big12 can’t be hypocritical in their argument and approach if complained about PAC and ACC with elitism and arrogance and do that shit themselves. Boise State gets way more viewers than multiple power schools and is more of a national brand and would be a good addition. My hypothesis was that the PAC doesn’t expand and add SDSU and SDSU was available like the ACC schools which are not but if they were, then alignment would be sort of what I suggested. You remember that not too long ago Clemson, Fla State, and Miami were interested in going to the Big12 albeit with Oklahoma and Texas in the conference and thus out of fear that triggered the rest of ACC schools do that ridiculous GoR they all agreed to so no one else would do what Maryland did and those 3 didn’t bolt for Big12.
Miami is not going to the SEc or Big 10 they bring nothing.
I see B1G going GT, Duke, UNC and ND. But they really need to get a West Coast team too
The B1G & SEC have 16. The XII has 12.
If the B1G/SEC add 4 then the XII needs 8 to have the same number of schools as the other two.
If the ACC implodes we could find 8 within the conference who neither the SEC or Big 10 are really interested in.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 That's not what everyone thinks. 😞
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225there's a good chance the Big 12 could get Arizona and Colorado from the PAC 12.
I’m thinking 4 from the PAC and 4 from the ACC is the breast case scenario for the Big 12.
@@cowboyd5673 Are you at a strip club or KFC right now? 🙂
~02:09 Why do people predict contrary to credible reporting, some recent? At least explain why you differ. The SEC has no interest in MIAMI (a 3rd in Florida), especially over options North Carolina or Virginia (new states in the footprint).
The BIG12 is clearly the option of last resort, right or wrong, rational or not. Why would some ACC remainders prefer the Tier 2 BIG12 over a rebuilt peer Tier 2 ACC?
The only ACC teams that have enough media power to even be considered by B1G is ND (even though football has special status), FSU (is close to gaining AAU status), Clemson (worse academic fit for B1G), Miami (just received AAU status but football commitment needs to improve), and maybe NC. B1G will likely be $10M+ per school ahead of SEC no matter what happens and will expect those schools to be able to pull their weight when it comes to media money. B1G is unlikely to consider Virginia, Georgia Tech (limited college sports media interest in a professional sports town unless that school is Georgia), Pitt, Duke or anyone else because its mostly about the money. Academic fit is nice but only if you can generate enough media money to keep the payouts to each school in the conference approximately the same. So are the Presidents/Chancellors of ND, FSU, Clemson, Miami, and NC worried more about a cultural fit when it comes to sports (SEC), or about getting equal (or slightly more) money plus a huge academic boost worth hundreds of millions of dollars in future research grants generated by becoming members of the B1G research consortium? I suspect within the next 5 years we will know the answer.
How do you deal with ESPN ?
if Rutgers and Maryland can get into the BIG while having poor FB then Miami will be fine..unlike those 2, Miami actually has good FB history..
@@carsonc29
Rutgars played in the very first college football game ever, vs UGA.
Miami's TV ratings & game attendees are way down.
Maybe NC? Geez. UNC has no respect during these discussions.
Can I get a bulletpoint executive summary of your runon dissertation all packed into 1 single paragraph ???
Miami is done. Their best hope is the Big 12.
I think Miami has its pick of which conference they go to but we'll take them in the Big 12 for sure. Party in Miami. 🤣😂
Miami is going to the big 10. Makes sense
ACC should boycott the bowl games
With the exception of Florida State and Clemson every other school in the ACC sucks ass in football, historically. Their records against Florida State and Clemson are just insanely bad.
Why any conference would want those schools is beyond me. I don't care what market they're in if they suck nobody's going to watch.
Now before anybody says anything, I know that we have been down for about 6 years. That's a hell of a lot less than every other program in the ACC. If anybody would really like to see the numbers you can take a little initiative and look it up yourself but if not just respond below and as soon as I get time I'll look it up and post it on here. I don't mind doing research I'm a former debater and was😮 a pretty damn good one at that.
Mississippi and Texas both have two SEC teams. Florida could certainly handle it and our viewership numbers would still kill 3/4 of the SEC or Big ten teams.
If the SEC chooses somebody other than Florida State then it will be out of spite. Spite for not joining in 1991. Spite for kicking SEC teams ass on the regular. Spite for being the only team in having the only athletic director that have the balls to step up and say this contract sucks and it will not stand.
Florida state's collective has nearly tripled since "The Snub". I would not be surprised at all if the Big 10 or the SEC does not offer, we go back to being independent. Of course at that point scheduling would be really difficult because none of the big boys would want to play us.
Money is destroying college football.
Yeah but the whiners won the argument. Boohoo these poor kids and the evil billion dollar schools
Miami isn't coming to the SEC.
FSU to PAC 4.
They won’t because the Big 12 will die otherwise. Lol
Sorry to disillusion you, but the Big 12 will not die. That is the Pac.
The Big 12 has a new contract with ESPN how are they going to die?