Could CLEMSON Expand to the BIG 12 as ACC Implodes? Rumors Say SEC Wants NOTHING to Do With Tigers.
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2023
- The recent developments surrounding Florida State football's exclusion from the College Football Playoff and the ensuing speculation about a potential move to the Big Ten could have broader implications for the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), prompting other member schools, including Clemson, to reconsider their allegiance.
Clemson, a powerhouse in college football and a key member of the ACC, might be evaluating its position within the conference in light of the ongoing issues. The exclusion of the undefeated ACC champion Seminoles from the playoff, despite an impressive season, has underscored concerns about the conference's standing and the potential consequences for its member institutions.
Similar to Florida State, Clemson may be evaluating the ACC's revenue-sharing model, particularly the conference's TV contract with ESPN, which extends until 2036. The dissatisfaction expressed by Florida State leaders over the revenue-sharing plan might resonate with Clemson's leadership as well. The allure of more lucrative TV deals, such as those secured by the Big Ten and SEC, could be a significant factor in Clemson's contemplation of a conference switch.
The landscape of college football is evolving, with conferences securing substantial financial gains through lucrative broadcasting agreements. The ACC's position in this changing landscape, coupled with the recent controversies, could raise questions about whether Clemson perceives its future aligned with the ACC or if there's potential for exploring opportunities in other conferences.
The decisions of other schools, like Florida State, to seek "greener pastures" could prompt Clemson and other ACC members to reassess their conference affiliations. The desire for greater financial benefits, increased exposure, and a more favorable competitive landscape might become compelling factors for schools contemplating a move.
While these considerations may be speculative at this point, the ripples created by Florida State's situation could extend beyond one school, potentially influencing the decisions of other prominent ACC members like Clemson as they navigate the ever-changing dynamics of college football conferences. The evolving scenario emphasizes the need for conferences to adapt to the shifting landscape to retain their member institutions and ensure their continued competitiveness on a national level.
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We're not going to the Big 12 lol we rather stay in the ACC
That's what's going to happen to FSU aswell nobody wants them but the ACC!
SC does not want Clemson in the SEC. This makes sense
Texas A&M didn't want Texas in the SEC and vetoed the move but it didn't stop anything. Do you think SC has more power, influence and money than Texas A&M?
People keep overlooking the strategic advantage of taking UVA/VT and UNC/NCSU for the SEC. Not only do they maintain rivalries, you take NC and VA off the board for B1G expansion. No other schools in those states could make such a move. That leaves 4 realistic targets for B1G within this new SEC footprint.(GT, Miami, Clemson, and FSU). Of those, only FSU would move the needle today and for years to come, though it would be devastating for them to jump to B1G even with ND in this scenario. What FL recruit will go to FSU to play in MI, OH, WI, MN in November? They'd just go to traditional B1G powers instead of having their boys playing in SEC. Letting FSU go to the B1G may end up reducing the recruiting impact when they leave the ACC. It's a be careful what you wish for moment for FSU. FL, UGA, and SC may be hoping they make this move as those living room visit will get more spicy.
You are ONLY thinking like some sports fan ....these are still universities, NOT your gaming/betting video game.....TV money is NOT the only concern and I actually think it will start dwindling.
UVA and UNC are NOT having any interest in joining THE Severely Educationally Challenged. That is about like saying Stanford and Berkley want to join the Mountain West. Stop with the "pick up sides" game. This isn't grade school and weren't not playing kickball either.
@@josephcernansky1794 It's precisely because these are universities in tightly integrated systems. It's not "pick up sides" keeping these schools linked together as you put it. They have state level boards that either make or strongly influence these decisions. As an example, a funny stat I came across suggests ~50% of UNC-CH research actually occurs on NCSU's campus where they partner with the textile, data sciences, and other STEM programs, or simply use the better labs there. Don't know the veracity of that claim, but do know they share faculty, degrees, and budgets. I understand one sees similar integrations between UVA/VT.
With regards to North Carolina specifically, the state has not only invested heavily into UNC-CH/NCSU and their integration, but also the ACC. The state has a vested interest in the ACC remaining relevant. It's going to be fun to watch how this plays out, but I find it hard that the political winds in NC will allow UNC-CH to curbstomp NCSU. In Virginia, the political mandate is more explicit that UVA/VT must remain linked. VT/NCSU are both research focused universities in the $500 million plus club. In regards to academic rankings, libraries, and research, they'd hold their own within the AAU world everyone seems to covet.
This is why I suggest UNC-CH/NCSU and UVA/VT end up together in the SEC. An SEC that is looking to up their game on the academic side and research integration along with athletic success. Only reason I don't see a B1G move is the current size of these conferences and "politics" though I'd love to see NCSU and UMD renew their rivalry.
Guys, Clemson isn’t going to the big 12! This is ridiculous!
Exactly. I want to smoke whatever those guys are smoking, 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
Have you been paying any attention to the last couple of years?
@terrysellers7664 why would Clemson make a lateral move to the Big 12? The only move Clemson will make is to the B1G or the SEC.
@@Patrick-sg7cm I’m not saying it’s a sure thing, but an easy answer is If the ACC implodes. Sure, the SEC would be a better landing place for Clemson but, it turns out the SEC isn’t open to taking any more teams.
@@terrysellers7664 you forget that Boston College, Syracuse, Stanford, Cal, Wake Forest, SMU, and Duke likely have nowhere to go. It's possible to build a conference around those teams, perhaps add Washington State and Oregon State, and you have a conference on par with the Big 12.
The big 12 is not a good move for any ACC team!
BIG 12 NEEDS TO GO AFTER CLEMSON NOW + MIAMI - LOUISVILLE - WVU NEEDS SOME EAST COAST RIVALS
Maybe the BIG 10 might want Clemson. I'm hearing SEC will only consider NC and VA or VPI.
ESPN has destoryed College Football
EXACTLY !!!!!
So much speculation here and on all of the sports boards it is really unreal right now. Just something to pass the time I guess because everyone is just guessing or wishing.
I wonder if SMU is regretting their ACC move.
No they are not. It's a far better situation for them than being stuck in the AAC.
Not sure.
They are not getting paid either way.
In the end I see a conference alignment that somehow goes coast to coast with OSU, WSU, Stanford, Cal- if Cal doesn't drop sports. If so, SDSU. Maybe a SMU/Rice combo from Texas. Tulane, Wake Forest, Syracuse, BC, and maybe a few other programs like a Memphis, USF, etc.. that will be the lower tear of D1. Basically swallowing up the MWC and AAC and anyone not invited to the B12.
@davidtemple2831 after going 9 years without getting paid, they will make more being in the ACC for 2 years than they would being in the AAC for the next 10 years.
Doesn't change anything if the ACC dies
@davidtemple2831 the ACC won't die. The long term GOR provides security for the likes of Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College, Duke, Cal, Stanford, and SMU.
If the ACC implodes, Duke will be a part of the conversation because of Yormark's intent to create the best basketball conference.
No one cares about basketball
@@GDoggy-em2xc Yormark does. Same with the schools and TV. The NCAA basketball tournament brings in more TV revenue than the CFP playoff.
The big 12 already is the best basketball conference. Yormark will shore them up even more in the years to come. He realizes he can't really compete with SEC and B1G in the football market but he can whip their collective ass in the basketball market.
The media value of football is 80%, basketball is 20%. Basketball isn’t that important.
@@TexasisConferenceCancer Ahhhh…….glad you brought that up. What is the TOTAL viewership for football for the season ? Basketball? The only real money to be made in basketball is March Madness. In the SEC, what percent of their total revenue came from basketball? Now do the B1G. That 80/20 number didn’t come from me. On social media sites such as this, how much interest is there in football versus basketball? All across the spectrum, it is about 90/10. EVERYONE wants to hear about and talk about football. The more that time goes on, the more lopsided those numbers become.
"FSU would get dog-walked by Texas..." OK then, tell me how UT would dominate FSU. Describe one advantage UT would have over FSU.
Bama results vs USF: "Why do we use the outlier? Everybody likes to use the outlier, that's what I don't get." Then says, "you almost lost to the BC Eagles, who barely won 6 games and I watched every single game." Which is FSU's outlier.
Stop the B10 is WAAAAY OVERRATED. Only two schools make that conference.
🧂is flowing today...🤣🤣🤣
That's true!
Reports are the SEC is all over UNC. Pretty much camped out in Chappell Hill. UNC is the SEC's Notre Dame. They want them badly, and my guess is they want to try and do another Texas/OU type deal with UNC/Virginia. That's going to be hard for those two schools to break away, without the SEC adding little brothers Va Tech and NC State.
Clemson is absolutely not going to the Big 12. How is there an illusion that the Big 12 is in a better situation than the ACC?
Because of our lack of brands. When you don’t have brands anybody wants, you’re not in a situation to be poached. ACC arguably has 3 big money schools and probably more. The Big XII is in a much better position because we have nothing to lose. Now whether Clemson is coming in, I highly doubt it, but the Big XII is in a much better position in terms of a conference.
ACC IS FINISHED ✅️ BIG 12 WITH AZ - UTAH + AZ ST - OK ST - KSU - WVU - IS 10 TIMES BETTER . WITH TEXAS AND OKLAHOMA NOT EVEN CLOSE
@@AAB4ttery Once the P2 finish consolidating, their poach threat goes away, and the ACC will be just as relatively vanilla and stable as the new BIG12. To eliminate poaching within the new BIG12, just amicably realign.
The current media deal is better with the ACC than the Big 12. And this nimrod thinks VA Tech and Pitt bring more $$ than Louisville? Sorry. Nope.
Sorry, no. Big 12 has been a dumpster fire for a long time. So bad OU and UT departed even though it offered OU a free ride to the CFP every year.@@AAB4ttery
SEC will go 20 when they have a chance to get the exact teams they want which would be Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia and one more.
Huge pick up for the big 12 IF THIS IS TRUE. VT, Pitt and Louisville needs to join as well.
Lets assume FSU and UNC go to the B1G and the SEC doesn't take anymore. Also assume GT, Boston College, Wake Forest, and Syracuse aren't considered. The pecking order would then be 1) Clemson, 2) Miami, 3) Duke, 4) Virginia Tech, 5-tied) Louisville 5-tied Pitt, and 6) NC State. Can't call the bottom half, but for sure the top 3 or 4 schools would be Big 12 bound if the ACC did break up. Would have to assume after getting marquee teams, the next criteria would be regional match ups. So then after Clemson (17) and Miami (18), the last two teams would be between VT, Pitt, and Louisville. One of those schools plus NC State and Duke would be the new Oregon St and Washington St. Back to square one for SMU, Cal, and Stanford.
No one moves to the new BIG12 from an ACC that "just" loses FSU and UNC. Just delusional.
Actually they might. Because Brett values Basketball, Duke will be a valued school. Ideally Brett wanted 16 plus some hoops only schools. I think 20 would be solid, but up to 24 could be accommodated IF it is the right combination of schools.
Schools that make sense?
Clemson and Miami are no brainers. I want to point out the others.
Duke=basketball prowess.
Pitt= WVa rivalry
Louisville=basketball tradition and Cincinnati rival.
VaTech=FB tradition and location.
The others would be Virginia, NCSt, GaTech as options for balance and scheduling.
Syracuse and BC? Nah
So IF we got to 20 with those first four, but Miami and Clemson are there? You take them! That would be 22.
Still need one more eastern school to because you have UCF in the east. That would be from the GaTech, NCSt, Virginia three.
Going west?
Brett is not opposed, but it would have to be into the California markets. OSU and WSU don't cut it. Stanford would IF ND is included somehow. Same situation with B10.
SMU adds nothing to the B12.
California just sucks.
SDSU would be a decent opening into Cali markets, but not a prime spot. Fresno is eh. That is why the west push is just not a priority.
Could ND be convinced to join? Doubt it.B10 would take them and Stanford as a pair if they wanted a conference situation.
It's all hypothetical, but when the flush happens, people will do anything to survive. B12 contract is much better than the long term ACC deal. To those never B12 guys.
By the way.
Next year's early predictions are that Utah and Arizona will be top ten and top 15, respectively. Add in a Clemson, Miami, along with K State and Oklahoma St. Still some decent FB to be played.
Brett wants basketball to shine, and it would!
@@davidtemple2831 yeah. I'm thinking the same way. Would have to be a 24 conference, pending ESPN and Fox Sports' blessings. I think priority list would be 1) get the marquees schools 2) build regional pods or two 12-team divisions. This would be a bad ass conference.
@@tarheel7406 it might just be delusional, but you and I have had these on-going debates dating back to Gold and Blue Dude's channel. But don't you think Yormark is having these conversations with his staff? I bet he has a contingency plan for every situation.
@@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 No one outside of the eventual Tier 2 will be competitive in top-level football. FSU has stated as much. This is why all of the tentpoles are giving up being top dogs in their current conferences for being Tier 2 dogs (at best) in different conferences. How the P5 remainders realign will come down to non-football considerations.
BY can best position the BIG12 to collect refugees, but that's it. So, at what point would ACC members become refugees? Losing "just" FSU and UNC ain't that point.
Clemson follow fsu to big 10 that I see when it available
I know a lot of guy around the Clemson program and from what I know them leaving right now is Pretty low because they are going to see how the ACC Responds to if Florida State leaves because Clemson is going to see if they can Pull in Notre Dame if FSU Goes because Clemson really loves their Matchups with Notre Dame and If They Manage to pull Notre Dame in to the ACC and Grab 2 Big-12 Schools then Clemson will most likely stay if FSU Leave and from what I know that is very likely to be their move There are 9 School the ACC will Target not saying that they will get them but is very likely they are going to attempt to get them to join there is one SEC School they like but would be a miracle to get them but anyway the schools they are most likely going to attempt to get them to join the ACC are Notre Dame, West Virginia, Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor, Kentucky, Appalachian State, Tulane and Florida Atlantic
Florida State, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina are not going to the Big 12. The only realistic viable (somewhat) brand teams is Pitt, NC State,Louisville. Thats it.
Why not? The other teams too far or something? Big 12 is bigger than the ACC, has way more money, more eyes on them and can get a team to the playoffs. ACC can’t anymore
Will there be a law suit for va. tech to separate from Virginia?
Absolutely
Hmmmm without Clemson/Miami in the Big XII scenario, you aren't taking a Duke over Virginia Tech? I mean think basketball also?
The SEC REALLY doesn’t want FSU. Clemson maybe
No way!
Clemson would be a huge get for the B12 but I doubt it happens. If the B12 poaches ACC teams, it will be VTech, Pitt, NCST and either Miami (Best option if possible), UL or GTech
I don't think any of these schools would go to the Big XII.
@@johngarnergarner6724 When the music stops playing and you aren't left with a chair to land in, you will be forced to make a move. and the BIG 12 is a good one.
That's a nice theory but there is no basis for this talk. Clemson will not join the Big XII
Lol
We will see
If they can disband the ACC, the b12 may be the only option for schools especially schools like BC and Syracuse.@@johngarnergarner6724
Bro knows how to get clicks! Well done.
It’s also likely news lol. Clemson has to go somewhere
This channel should change it's name to Big 12 delusions of grandiose.
Yormack is unsure …not because he doesn’t know who he wants…it’s just that SEC/B10..run the First Stanza of this musical chairs….and he has to wait…be prepared ..and deal with curves being thrown…..the Biggest question is how many do you want …and when? Then it is who are the targets!? Who will go… no strings attached ! It’s those strings that make it dicey!! Once the Power 2 decide…the B12 will make their pitch…hopefully with committed intent…to the remaining targets …..or the ball may unravel! ACC can still just wait till the smoke clears to see who is still standing. It is a shame that ND and NC can’t step out and announce what they want …then the rest will know how to react.
If they don’t have a plan or a clue….then welcome to WSU/OSU land! Interesting for sure…FSU and Clemson..better have invites in hand…or they may be in for a surprise!
I'd be rich if Texas allowed Sports Book.
HOW COULD YOU NOT WANT CLEMSON!?!?!!
SEC has S Carolina. Nothing added.
B10? IDK why they wouldn't want to get into Florida and S Carolina. I know N Carolina is a bigger get.
SEC wants into UNC UVa markets.
Money drives everything.
They have 2 teams for almost every state. It makes sense because you get in state rivalries which draw the most viewers. That’s why Clemson and FSU would make sense to go with S. Carolina and Florida to go with Alabama-Auburn, Mississippi-Ole Miss, Texas-Texas A&M, Tennessee-Vanderbilt
@@davidtemple2831yeah they say that but Clemson is a light-years better program than South Carolina if we are talking football. Clemson is much more of a huge football program than North Carolina. This is North Carolina's best team in over a decade. It's Clemson worse team in over a decade. Clemson still beats UNC by two scores.
@@davesteller6301I agree, but I also look at the Missouri add. Arkansas add. A&M add.
@@davesteller6301 Yet CLEMSON has a miniscule overall brand vs. UNC.
Nope
Not gonna happen
Clemson to Big10 or SEC
WF, BC, Syracuse, have no chance on making the Power 3.
The ACC will survive, it will just be diminished in form much like the Big 12.
There is and will be no peer Power 3.
@@tarheel7460 You are a confirmed troll, likely a minor, and now impersonated me on YT.
Clemson, NC, and FSU is coming to the SEC and I suspect that the SEC then makes a play for Oklahoma State
Clemson will hold out for a special revenue agreement for themselves, but their number one priority will be the softest competition they can get. Always have, always will. Their free ride in that "power five" joke is coming to an end.
There is no monetary gain or value for Clemson to go to the BIG12. The travel cost would negate anything above what would be earned. The ACC TV contracts are guaranteed until 2036, so nobody HAS to go anywhere! This is laughable.
No, the pod structure would be there to cut some of the travel costs.
Lots of ACC teams will be left out. Only UNC and FSU should feel like there will in the end be a better home. The rest are fighting for the other 2 or 4 seats
Nc state should be a no tbh. They ant bigger or better than wsu or osu
This is all the ACC’s fault. At the top, poor contract negotiations. Under performance for the last decade by FSU, Miami, UNC, NC STATE, VA Tech and GA Tech. Clemson is the only program that stepped up.
Will they make the commitment in another conference?
Clemson failed to pay their dues to SEC/ESPN so they got hosed. ACC needs to dissolve. Watch next year, FSU will be the first to jump ship and go to probably the Big10
GOR prevents Fla State and Clemson from leaving until 2036. Period.
Those ACC teams are not leaving because they aren't going to get a better conference to pic them up silly!
They should merge and add a few more for a super conference
That would suck!
I think Bama and Georgia will head to the mountain west you herd it here first!
Correct comment, why would anyone be "clamoring to take Clemson"? Clemson is not a Blue Blood, it's a regional brand that went on a hell of a run, congrats, well done. FSU, Miami, NC, Virginia, and arguably Duke and Syracuse are bigger National brands then Clemson.
You serious Clark?
There will be the “Power 2” BIG 10 and the SEC and “Group of 7 “ will be the AAC, ACC, BIG 12, C-USA, MAC, MWC & SBC
Tier 1 SEC & B1G
Tier 2 of 2 to 4 regionals
Tier 3 (now G5)
Clemson like Florida State BELONGS in the SEC.
FSU is going to the B1G!!!!!
@@JoeyAugustineThe big 10 doesn't want Florida State! And FSU doesn't want to go to the Big 12!😅
Only desperate schools with no good options would want to join the truck-stop conference.
Clemson is an sec team, the big fights will be nc, Virginia, fsu and maybe gt. Gt in big ten could be huge in roads to sec country for football
Clemson ISN’T an SEC team! The SEC has had ample opportunity to scoop them up in the past and hasn’t done so. Unfortunately, much of the luster that Clemson had 8 years ago is gone.
@@terrysellers7664culture wise, geographically and fan base Clemson is like an SEC team just like TAMU was when SEC got them. They even already have built in rivalries with UGA and SCAR. but yes some of that tiger naty luster is gone.
Your right GT is the wild card cause of the ATL tv market and recruiting as they say if your not recruiting the state of Ga then your not serious bout winning just ask the Dawgs if you don't believe me
BigXII only interested in schools that want to be in BigXII. ACC will stay together if 4 teams don’t actually want to join XII.
Maybe the leftovers from the ACC can join up with the best from the American.
They will have to stay…but want to know what it cost to go! Didn’t read the leaves correctly …or their Competition…NC,Va.Miami….while nobody has said how much it will cost to get out…and if the Power 2….has an appetite …for 2 or 4 or six…or just 1…stretch it out over a few years….leaving ACC. In limbo. The bottom 12 teams will have to make some tough decisions.… options..stay together with weaker conference…go to Big 12 to complete their Eastern swing..WVa. Cinn and UCF …need some partners! …or join Big East.
I would want to go somewhere…where they want you…and are considered an equal! Which league would you be an equal, make equal pay, and be wanted…seems B12 is only option for the top tier of the remnants! Or any that don’t get annointed! Good luck!
This is pure comedy. Clemson is NOT going to Big 12.
Ore St, Wazzu, Clemson, Miami, GT, Pitt, SMU would be good additions to the Big 12. For the BIG I would like to see NC, NCST, Miami, Duke, VT, VA, Louisville, and Cincy.
This is getting to be too many teams in a conference, unfortunately. The solution to this would be to kick some teams out of the Big 12 and the BIG and send them to the ACC.
Rutgers, Indy, Illini, Purdue, Nebraska, NW can leave the BIG and go to the ACC. The Big 12 could send Kansas, UCF, TCU, Baylor, Houston, and Colorado to the ACC. Send em AZ State too while you’re at it.
TCU
Baylor
BYU
Would all do great in the ACC along with:
Stanford
Duke
Notre Dame
Wake Forest
Boston College
SMU
MIA
SYR
Maybe also add:
Tulane
Rice
Tulsa
Liberty ???
The sec is not out lol
Nobody is calling the Big12
Miami, Clemson, Florida State, or any ACC school isn't going to the Big 12. The Big 12 is a lateral move at best.
but a lateral move when your ship is sinking still makes more sense than going down with the ship. Most of those schools couldn't do the independent thing.
@johnlott518 a large segment of teams in the ACC have nowhere to go. Miami or Clemson could stay and rebuild the ACC and be the dominant team for many years to come
@@johnlott518 Stanford, Cal, SMU, Syracuse, Boston College, Wake Forest, and Duke likely have no place to go. You can easily build a conference around those teams and perhaps grab Oregon State and Washington State.
That’s what Utah fans said for years.
@@johnlott518 In context, the BIG12 has already sunk.
CLEMSON is a Tier 1 ACC flight risk. If any of those are remaining, that ACC is clearly better than the already Tier 2 BIG12. CLEMSON would be far, far better off waiting out the GOR than moving to the new BIG12.
SEC can do what they want…when they want …and who they want….and are in no big hurry. They have a plan….and have told everyone… they just haven’t been listening.
The haves are making plans….and the have nots are in a state of denial or just overconfidence in their value…..putting their bets on ND and NC to pull them out of a pickle !
Roll the dice…while the musical chairs are about to start!
Please, just stop selling false hope. At least the late GBD did it with an entertaining personality.
I wrote ~2 years ago and a few times since that CLEMSON & FSU may get left out depending on how things played out, though unlikely. As things have played out, the B1G prematurely added WASH/ORE, the top ACC targets are UNC/UVA, those teams may be hard packaged with NCSTATE & VATECH (respectively), the SEC doesn't really need CLEMSON/FSU., and the B1G's interest in those 2 may be contingent on UNC/UVA.
Nevertheless, while FSU could prefer the BIG12 as the place to die or wait out to the next realignment, CLEMSON (an ACC founder) won't do the same. No rational university president will vote to leave an association with ND, STANFORD, CAL, DUKE, etc. for the BIG12 when there are no material reasons to do so.
The BIG12 is already dead a a peer major in football. There is no feasible path to a peer P3.
@@tarheel7460He is telling the truth nobody in the Acc wants to be in the Big 12!
Pitt and WV good rivals and along with Va Tech good tv
... And regional match ups. Picture this, Pitt, WVU, VT, Cincinnati and Louisville in a pod of sorts. Or at least guaranteed to play each other every year. There are four weeks right there that each of these schools don't have to go to Arizona, Utah, or Texas. Not that those states are bad; I'm thinking of the travel. Likewise with other schools: the two Utah schools and the two Arizona schools, and Colorado... K St, Kansas, Iowa St. and OK St and Texas Tech... the only school still on a island would be UCF.
At that point a Miami or someone will come available. Even a GaTech would not be a bad add.
I’m a Big 12 fan and no Clemson is not coming to big 12.
That'd be great for the Big 12. They easily need a new elite team.
To replace Oklahoma and Texas?? Please no, I wana see which Big12 team is actually the best aside from OU and UT
They will go to the SEC for discount price. the SEC would have no problem taking FSU, Clemson and Miami for a discount price. They would prefer SEC. The SEC can say we will take you at 30 million (less than 1/2 full share). They don't want to go to SEC at a discount but if there choice is SEC at discount or B12 they are NOT going to B12
@@BenCabellnah the sec is full and isn’t taking more likely for years. Also who wants to go there just to go 7-6 lol not many. That’s OU and texas future like texas A&M
I am not sure they would refuse (at the right price) If your SEC commissioner and you can get Clemson and/or FSU an/or Miami for pennies on the dollar" your going to say "no"? They could conceivably offer less $ than the schools would earn in Big12. I agree they will not take FSU and / or Clemson as full share schools the other colleges would not agree to dilution of the pot.
.@@kennypowers1945
Miami ain’t going to the SEC or Big 10, Cane fans are delusional they have enough dead weight in the SEC and Big 10.
Let's get Clemson, Miami, and Duke
Calling it now Big12 lands a some combination of the following ACC schools.
- ND with ACC type deal
- Clemson
- Miami
- VT
- NCST
- Louisville
- Pitt
- Duke
- GT
Note: Big10 will get first choice of ACC schools.
It is starting to make me think of the argument he was making a day or so ago that the Big 12 should go to 24 teams with 4 regional divisions(pods) and have a semi-final game for its championship. Especially if the Big 10 and SEC refuse to get bigger. It would make the conference different.
@bigbadjohn7053 no, not happening. Too much value dilution for the Big 12 to go to 24. There was a reason Oregon State and Washington State weren't added.
Actually it could be very bog on value. Markets combine with FB tradition and basketball tradition.
It could make lots of sense. Pods keep lots of regional play while also add some inter-pod games so travel would be somewhat limited while getting your product in every region of the country. TV market is also about interest.
@@Patrick-sg7cmyea because they were waiting for the ACC to dissolve to get to the East Coast to help out Cincinnati West Virginia and UCF
Not going to happen!😅
Clemson does not bring $$$. Why would anyone besides the Big12 want them.
They add value to the B12, but not to the B10 or SEC because their values already exceed anything positive Clemson would bring.
B12? Yes
Canes are a fit for the B10. They joined the AAU, and they're a private school. Maybe the B12 reach out to wazzu and ore st
No, the caines arent really a fit for the big 10. The big 10 requires their teams to fill their seats and miami doesnt fill 1/4 of their stadium unless they are 9-0, as soon as miami loses, no one goes to the games. The AAU etc is all BS, if you cant fill the stadium every week, cant be in the big 10.
@@ggrene8266if the Big Ten required full stadiums, they wouldn’t be adding UCLA or USC.
@@54raynor They get fans, miami doesnt
I would think they would want Miami ahead of FSU
@@ggrene8266 Miami had a higher average attendance than UCLA this past season.
And while USC does draw better, they still only play at about 80% capacity.
As soon as the ACC loses one team Clemson will be on the table. ESPN themselves said that North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson and FSU were the top 4 that the B10 and SEC would want. In fact the SEC may grab all 4 to go to 20 leaving the Big 10 to only pull some combo of the next 2 to also go to 20. I doubt the B12 would get any of those top 4 if the ACC folds.
The SEC is not adding anymore teams. They are satisfied with their current teams and they don't want to expand. They definitely have the Florida market and they have expanded westward with Oklahoma being added. The SEC has the Southeastern Market, the Southcentral market and a chunk of the Southwestern market. When the SEC added A&M they had a big chunk of the Texas market. I kind of feel sorry for FSU because Bowden was a great coach but his fear of meeting Bama and Auburn during the same season was one of the reasons why Florida State did not join the SEC. If they go to the BIG the travel from Florida to those schools in the North will be expensive. Playing in cold weather won't help either. I remember that when FSU was an independent school they were starting a great rivalry with Auburn.
@@highup7how cold do you think I gets up here? I live in Illinois and I was outside with just a t shirt and jeans today in mid December. October/ November is beautiful football weather. Think about it. FSU will practice in hot muggy humid weather and get to play games in cool crisp air. That’s an advantage. Not to mention their recruiting footprint would be national. I still think they go to the sec, I know you said they don’t want fsu,but that would be malpractice on the sec’s part. FSU is one of the biggest and lucrative programs in college football.
Clemson is not going to the big 12 😂
Huh? You mean CLEMSON (an ACC founder) won't wait out until the next realignment in the ACC? CLEMSON won't give up an association with ND, STANFORD, DUKE, etc. in favor of the new BIG12?
ND is basketball only.
Stanford is academic only.
What else I'd there?
@@davidtemple2831 By that measure, the BIG12 is all nothing.
4th conference... old big east
Who says the ACC will implode. I think all you are doing is flapping your gums hoping it will implode. It will not happen. There are to many teams who don't want to pay the high price it will take to leave the ACC. The North Carolina schools will not leave their home conference. The two North Carolina public schools you mention are tied to one another per the states funding issues, and rhey do not want to lose.
It seems realy simple to me. There are currently 16 Big 12 schools (after Okl and Tex leave, and the new four come in). Expand to 24. Take the 12 teams that are furthest west and put them in one division.
Arizona
Arizona St
Utah
BYU
Colorado
Kansas
Kansas St
Oklahoma St
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Houston
This leaves four teams for the Eastern division (Iowa St, Cincinnati, WVU and UCF). Lure 8 schools from the ACC over, to join those four, and you have an Eastern division that looks like this...
Iowa St
Cincinnati
West Virginia
UCF
Miami
Clemson
NC State
Virginia Tech
Pitt
Louisville
Georga Tech
Duke
Two 12 team divsions! Play 11 division teams and one non conference game for football. Winners of each division play in the conference championsip.
It's really that simple andmakes to much sense.
You big 12 guys are silly that's the worst ideas ever!
Clemson wants to leave superior ACC and go to Big 12 and have rivalry games with UCF, Cincinnati and Kansas? Good luck with that.
I agree with you...They are better off, and have a better chance winning the conference playing teams like Boston College, Georgia Tech, and Wake Forest! They would be humbled very quickly in the Big XII!!! ACC, the "superior"conference...Riiiiiiight..lmfao 😂😂
I guess I used the word superior since the ACC has won more national championships in the past year than any conference. Hate to mess up your rant with a bunch of facts.
The Big 12 is another ACC 2.0
Dabo is to blame if we end up in the Big 12. His bone head stubborn broadcast we don't do the portal and we don't do nil. With one great or big time receiver like Coleman or walker we would be undefeated thanks Dabo. Your inability to adjust to new football is a killer. Maybe we drop football and become a soccer or basketball school. We are not going to ride FSUs coattales anywhere.
Clickbait. Good luck.
Lol All the clickbait about Texas OU Washington Oregon was just fantasy but yet became true? Lol Good luck not believing. Hold my beer, I'm going to watch the ACC implode in January.
Why would Clemson go to the big 12. They would literally make less money. Sec, big 10 I could see. ACC is doomed I said it on this channel and I was called crazy. It may not be now but in a decade ACC is done.
No it want because the depression will be in full effect and nobody is talking about that the ACC guys no what they where doing for the long run!
And I'll say this YET AGAIN. This year the ACC OWNED the SEC. All I keep hearing is SEC fan rhetoric (verbal diarrhea, in fact!)
Yada, yada, yada it's never been done before. You're kidding, right? My grandparents got married and went home in a carriage. They lived to see men landing on the moon. The future belongs to the bold. Hire me. Retirement is boring.
Calling it now Big12 lands ND with ACC type deal, Clemson, Miami, VT, NCST, Louisville & Pitt.
Completely delusional.
This show should be called fraud talk! 😅😂
Bama vs AUB game: "2nd best rivalry in CFB, spreads don't matter in this game, it don't mean shit. AUB could be the 132 ranked team and AL could be 1. That game's going down to the wire no matter where it's played, ok?" Listen to this guy....Bama's struggle against an ass sorry AUB team doesn't count because it's a rivalry game...Hmmm...
I really don't understand why Clemson and Florida State aren't looking closer at the Big 12. IT just makes sense at this point. If those schools could get commitments from Miami, VT, Pitt, Louisville, Georgia Tech, UNC (or any combination of a couple of those schools), then why not make that move?
The current schools plus those above would put the Big 12 right on par with the Big Ten and SEC.
PAC-2 ACC merger? 😎😂
Honestly it's going to be a Pac 2 , Big 12 and ACC (leftovers) merger by default .
Please learn to say Clemson.... there is no Z in the school name.
SCSISec
Has occurred to anyone else that maybe these acc schools don’t want to go to the SEC?
Yo please don’t move any of these ACC teams to the Big12 they’ll kill everyone and block their chances from reaching the Big12 championship or playoff appearances.
Big 10 will take Virginia and UNC. FSU is not a research institution so it’s not an academic fit.
SEC stays put.
ACC then adds West Virginia and UCF, and UConn. That’s right! Big 12 poaching ain’t done.
Big 12 doesn’t add more teams.
SEC teams are afraid of having to play in the real death valley.
Wow Clemson to Big 12 would be great.
I see no way Clemson and Florida State don't end up in the B1G or the SEC
There going to end up staying in the ACC with there crybaby selves!
Big12 needs to focus on ND, Clemson & Miami. Those are the tier 1 schools the Big12 needs to go after. Tier 2 VT, NCST, Louisville, PItT.
And Duke!
Basketball is taking a back seat for the moment, but when the B12 owns it, it will demand a separate TV deal for Basketball that will somewhat balance things out.
If SEC is smart, they will grab NC State and UVA and let the others go to the Frozen Rust Belt 20 and Cows & Corn 20 conferences.
Clemson and FSU to the Big12 would be huge. Let's bring in Miami too.
Completely delusional. Those teams aren't going to the Big 12.
@@Patrick-sg7cm Actually not so delusional, FSU was already considering the BIG 12, before they went 13-0, but at the end of the day, When the music stops playing and you aren't left with a chair to land in, you will be forced to make a move. and the BIG 12 is a good one. Clemson, Miami, FSU, PITT, VA Tech, NC State, Ga Tech, Louisville, all would be welcome, depends on who is open to joining first. I think the BIG 12 stops at 20 teams.
@hackatak the B1G doesn't plan on expanding past 20 and the SEC doesn't plan on expanding past 20 either. That means there are 6 available spots at the table. If all 6 spots get filled, the ACC is left with 11 teams. That's enough to run a viable conference. The Big 10 operated at 11 members for many years.
@@Patrick-sg7cm 11 is possibly pushing the high end for an efficient Tier 2 conference. The evolving Tier 2 level is the perfect chance to get back to 8-10 member conferences with round robin schedules that maximize fan interest.
Big 12 won't get Miami Florida State or Clemson or North Carolina stop it trash conference since Oklahoma and Texas left 💥
Just like Washington and Oregon wasn't going to the B1G? Lol I'm going to Lmao when Washington curb stomps Texas in the playoff. The SEC is obtaining The Big 12s trash. 🤣 💥
@@slycanyon Are you honestly comparing a move to a P2 with a move to the new BIG12?
@@slycanyon now you just sound emotional, hurt, bitter, false, and quiet unintelligent Oklahoma and Texas trash? Wouldn't be no Big 12 if those two schools didn't build it and put it together just stop buddy
@@tarheel7406 yes, yes he is 😂
@@corneliusdansbyjr6165 The lack of self-awareness is twilight zone. The ACC would likely have to lose all of its Tier 1 and 2 flight risks to the P2 before any remainder would even consider the BIG12. For what purpose?
The Black Knight from Python's "Holy Grail" just came to mind.
Clemson is NOT going to Big 12. That's laughable...
They have to go somewhere
Seems laughable……but I would love that
@jeffchesser4024 no they don't. They could rebuild the ACC and dominate the rebuilt ACC.
@@Patrick-sg7cmACC is toast and will go the way pf the PAC 12
@@Patrick-sg7cm and get left out the the CFB playoffs like FSU this year.
You're foolish if you think Clemson would be left out in any way... Clemson is a blue blood football program.
Big 12 won't get Miami Florida State or Clemson or North Carolina stop it trash conference since Oklahoma and Texas left 💥
You sound like those Utah fans. Then what happened?
The Big 12 is obviously last choice, but if SEC and B1G don’t want an ACC school, what are they going to do if 2-4 others leave to B1G and SEC? I think something similar happens to ACC that happened to PAC. What do you think will happen in the next 3-5 years?
This is exactly what all the trash ass Utah fans were screaming when the PAC 12 was imminently imploding only for them to have to rely on the Big 12 lifeboat. Lmao
This is the truth!
@@moffprof02bro Clemson ain’t Utah! Come on
@@Thepilotepisode
If the B1G and SEC stop at 20 schools and Clemson isn’t picked; then they are a Utah. It’s just a scenario. It may not happen.
But if SEC decides they want UVA and VT and UNC and NC St, then B1G wants FSU and GT and they both stop there… what do Miami and Clemson do?