How the BIG 10 Can Drop a NUCLEAR BOMB on the SEC
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B1G all day long! The B1G wants us while the sec only downgrades us. Another huge bonus is we would be part of Fox Sports Network and NOT espn.
Not just Fox Sports,but NBC,CBS, and the Big Ten network that most cable and satellite companies carry as part of a basic package.
The B1G is also better positioned to cut a major streaming deal with Amazon,Apple, or Netflicks, since they haven't married themselves to
one broadcast partner as the SEC did with Disney. Adding multiple ACC schools (and probably Notre Dame at that point) would certainly
bring in enough extra content to send games over to streaming.
The reason why most teams get downgraded in SEC is because it's usually only four big powerhouses in that conference and you have to face them every year and it's demoralizing when you get spanked 63 to 3 fsu fans😂
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Disney bought fox for the mutants and f4, not for the b1g. Fox only exists today because of Disney. Disney just wanted something worth more than just Ohio St.
Would love for FSU to go to big 10.
I would love FSU going to the Big Ten ás well. SEC wants new markets such as North Carolina and VA.
yes but would still lose
@@valyarbro3572MAYBE they'd still lose. Look no further than Oregon & Washington if you want to see programs stepping into their own becoming powerful in their own right. And neither of them have the serious name recognition or prestige as FSU. Also, keep in mind the money involved because of giving the B1G another media market. Before anyone says anything, i know that Miami and Florida already have a chunk of the Florida market, but i dont think that's gonna matter should FSU join the B1G.
I absolutely don't want anything to do with the SEC. It just makes so much more sense to have a national footprint in their schedule. Giving the opportunity for potential FSU recruits from all over the nation to see their games up close and personal.
I would love to see a rotation of teams like Ohio State, Southern Cal., Wisconsin, Penn State, Oregon, Michigan, Washington, etc… This is the true Super-Conference.
Nebraska and Michigan State are also big brands that would draw big TV numbers if they can be restored by recent coaching changes.
Iowa is always a top 15 program and even my Minnesota Gophers have a big TV market and can put together 8 win seasons every
other year and even 9 or 10 win seasons about twice a decade.
@@TheLAGopher Iowa is not always a Top 15 program.
It works for football. But, what about other sports.
BIG10 is the cheaters conference....nobody's watching.
FSU is going to the B1G 10 and its not even close. The SEC has nothing like the BTAA and that new FSU hospital stands so much more to gain by affiliating with Michigan, UCLA, Washington, Minnesota (Mayo Clinic) and on some level, Johns Hopkins than going it alone in the SEC just for sports.
Screw espn/disney/sec
I second this Go Noles 🍢
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Ditto
But it was cool when you did it to the big east, right? Remember you signed the deals with espn before the SEC. Short memory, I guess.
@@roybabineaux5353 espn before isn't the espn now just as the cnn of 20 years ago isn't the cnn of today. The B10 east doesn't exist anymore.
Now that everyone can pay players, i think the tables will turn. SEC has always gotten away with paying players
B1G has been paying players for just as long. If you think other wise then I guess you think WWE is real and you can buy the Brooklyn bridge from a stranger in the street.
Can you prove that? Sounds like sour grapes to me.
@AAblade7 you are totally wrong!
@@danielroberts3920 you seriously can’t be that naive?
@@AAblade7 Ohio State maybe. That's about it. And not nearly to the same extent that SEC teams do.
Oregon really looks like they're going to move into that top tier in the B1G, at least in terms of competitiveness. Top-10, trending fast to a top-5 recruiting program, and an increasingly big, national brand with the kids.
Big 10 is 100x better than the SEC !!! Best spot for FSU
As a long time Wolverine fan FSU has My utmost Respect and would be a great fit.
B1G fan here. Our nuclear tier 1 add is Notre Dame. FSU and UNC are tier 2. Then every other team falls in line after those 3. I think the FSU+B1G connection is that it's just the right fit at the right time like PSU was back in the late 80s.
Being born and raised in the Midwest and currently living in Chicago, I cannot overstate how important ND is generationally for fans. In terms of brand, culture, academics, geography (Chicago's #1 team) and tradition they're on their own tier. The SEC is aware of that as well.
If the goal is to take Notre Dame and FSU the better third team would be Miami ... Miami combined with FSU gives them a larger footprint in the FL market than the SEC and Miami is a rival to both FSU and Notre Dame with gives you at least two games out of Miami that are worth being shown to a national audience and can draw huge revenue I understand getting into the NC market would be nice and maybe UNC would be nice to have along with Notre Dame FSU and Miami but UNC shouldn't be a priority over Miami and this is coming from a FSU who was born in Wake county NC I hate Miami and love going back to NC for games and FSU will play Miami regardless but if you're the B1G and you really want high profile games Miami is a good program to have on board it's also a fun away game visiting Miami is great
Another key factor is ESPN's financial situation. Business is business and the ROI (return on investment) identifies the profit/loss factor. With ESPN's declining viewership, ratings and advertising income how much longer will Disney pour money into the SEC? I know there's no real answer to this. Just giving another angle to ponder.
DISNEY trying to dump ESPN, has cut staff and budgets, and stuck with declining ratings. Long term, ESPN’s finances are suspect . So the SEC partnering with ESPN is a not a stable prospect for the future.
Love it . Just the facts brother. Just the facts
There is a changing of the guard. The Big10 has 3 power networks in a 4 timezones. Most in TV revenue. Have the highest rating games even before expansion which will add games you could only see in bowl match ups through out the season. Both conferences should let the ACC teams die.
I think the SEC gets more teams in the playoffs this year. They have more playoff worthy teams. OSU, Oregon, and Penn State. Michigan will be good, but they are losing too much. Washington was all in last year and the 2024 team is completely new. USC might be able to do something, but their hires always seems to go wrong for them.
2025 is a completely different story. This might be where the Big 10 starts to take over.
All of that doesn't equate to on the field dominance. There is no changing of the guard. Only 2 BIG10 champs since the BCS era.
@@taekwonjohnson2878 SEC has more programs that are playoff ready right now. Texas and Oklahoma will probably have more playoff appearances than the new B1G schools over the next 5 years. I don't think that means more SEC championships though. They will probably be fairly equal.
The biggest problem for the sec in my opinion is the enrollment size. I read an article where the big 10 schools have about 200k more students and they are playing the long game. I believe the state population is larger in the big 10 schools as well. The only article I could find referencing the population of both conferences was before the addition of Rutgers USC UCLA Oregon and Washington to the big 10 and Oklahoma to the SEC. The sec had an advantage of about 10 million people at that point but I’m guessing the advantage is for the big 10 by a large margin just due to California alone. The numbers I found put it around 40 million just in California alone. Then NY is around 20 million. That’s a lot of people to buy online subscriptions. I’m also curious about the average income difference.
The populations in the core B1G states are stagnant and aging. California would have negative growth if not for foreign immigration. Demo trends favor the SEC:
1980:
TX ~14,229K
PA ~11,864K
IL ~11,427K
OH ~10,798K
FL ~09,746K
MI ~09,262K
NC ~05,882K
GA ~05,463K
VA ~05,347K
2020:
TX ~29,146K
FL ~21,538K
PA ~13,003K
IL ~12,813K
OH ~11,799K
GA ~10,712K
NC ~10,439K
MI ~10,077K
VA ~08,631K
I don't think NY state has been a big ratings state for college football historically. With 3 pro teams nominally in the state the NFL is football to them.
I’m with you! I feel FSU and their brand will boost whatever conference they go to. I’m not a “fan” one one over the other. I’m a FAN of FSU and by adding them I also think as you , that others added would make that conference better. Time will tell 🎉
I see the future of NCAA football to be similar to the old NFL /AFL days. The Big 10 and SEC will grow larger and any team worth talking about will be in either the Big 10 or SEC. At the end of every season each conference will have a playoff to see which team will represent their conference in the NCAA championship game.
Rankings and playoff invitations will no longer matter. The playoffs will be done by the conference instead of the playoff committee.
Correct. It won’t be as clear cut as the NFL, because they will need to provide pathways for lesser conferences to avoid anti trust, but the SEC and BIG10 will setup a system that greatly benefits their leagues making the most money.
Ive been saying this for a while. It would make every conference game mean something and the B1G broadcast partners Fox, CBS and NBC would have plenty of marquee games to broadcast nationally.
Agree, but keep the ncaa out of college sports period!
@@CFBAddiction the other conferences need to have their own darn playoff.
Look at TJ going national!
Had to subscribe to support my FSU brother.
Personally I want FSU to go to the SEC so I can go see them play Tennessee but to hell with the SEC. Let’s go to the BIG
A conference is about all sports (academics) when you talk about the BEST conference NOT just football. Although, we know football is the biggest driver. The BEST conference is comprehensive NOT a football statement.
Actually if you look at it in that manner this isn’t close and has never been close. The BIG is by far the richer conference, they have with 7 of the top 20 research universities in the country compared to 2 in the SEC. Academically the BIG has always been superior being that all schools have been required to be AAU schools for consideration for entry, yes we know Nebraska lost that accreditation recently.
@@bhziker congrats I guess? This whole thing is about football though, and the BIG10 doesn't even compare.
Fun fact... The ACC is the only conference to win a natty in football and men's basketball during the 4-team playoff era.
FSU would win the Big Ten quick. Real quick and often.
Great video tj
FSU is on the way up, ND is not.
Notre Dame is interested in helping themselves . The SEC is a legend in their own mind. Big 10 pays more .
Winning national championships isn't just in the SEC minds it's reality
@@chanscott8968 Winning is great. A condescending , entitled , big mouthed , lower class fan base is not. Alabama is with a new Yankee coach . The NCAA will have to steal more play off games for them to lose . Alabama will always have a legacy of stealing and losing playoffs. I'm not a crook , I'm not a crook.
I think winning Nattys is what ultimately serves to create the public perception of the better or more powerful college football conference these days. It is as simple as that. The B1G racked one up this last football season but needs several more running in close succession to create that public perception of being the more powerful football conference. FSU would have to join the B1G and win a natty to have a bearing in that most powerful perception. If FSU wants to travel coast to coast regularly playing football games. More power to them. I don't want the SEC getting any bigger. I think 16 is too many.
Problem is that until with Harbaugh recently, the only B1G National Title Contender the last 2 decades has been Ohio State. SEC has had Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, and Florida win in that span. Adding USC, Oregon, and Washington will help but keep in mind the Pac12 wasn't winning big either.
The Big 10 and FSU is all but a done deal. As a buckeye fan I'm glad we got Oregon. Because without cheating UM is sad. It makes me sick as a big 10 fan let alone a buckeye. We need another good team. Oregon is that so is FSU.
I really think the SEC could start to slip if they let the B1G Ten into the south, from a Bama Student. It is not about the SEC needing to have FSU or Miami but the BIG 10 will start to have an advantage.
Thinking the B10 should try and bring in FSU + 3 more from the southeast region to make things easier travel wise, especially considering the non revenue sports. NC, Clemson, and VA would be good from my way of thinking. Cross country travel would be cut down to at worst 2 times a year with 4 schools on each coast. Pure speculation on my part.
Interesting discussion / great topics...
I'm "assuming" 3 things when it come to B1G expansion.
1- FSU and ND are B1G's next two preferred adds.
2- B1G expansion cap is 20 (maybe 21 w/ ND, if they dont par-up with FSU). After #20 expansion become dilutive to profitability.
* I dont believe media partners will fund further expansion; Not without a clear understanding of how steaming will effect profits.
3- If ND remains independent; The B1G could add FSU alone, or look to add an FSU +1, to hit that 20 team conf. marker.
* Miami is just one of several FSU +1 options. UNC, UV, GT, event A&M, CU, KU will be under consideration. To me the small private university in Coral Gables, with no stadium, and an declining fan base is not necessarily the best option.
Saban has won at that state- not the SEC
Not necessarily. In the last 25 years, the SEC has had 7 different schools win NCs. That’s now including Texas. 4 SEC schools have won multiple NCs during that time. The B1G has only had 3 teams win NCs during that same time period. And that is including USC. 2 B1G schools have won multiple NCs during that time period. The B1G is closer to the ACC than the SEC.
Then will you please explain UGA to me. Your comment is stupid. By your comment the coach wins the NC not the area the school represents. The winning school represents the conference they are in. The winning coach represents the conference and the hard work he puts his players through.
@@highup7 I said state - the SEC isn’t Alabama is it? But I can see how you confuse the two.
From a business standpoint, SEC would be crazy to let FSU go to Big 10 without putting a bid in
They don't want FSU. "More opposition than interest" according to multiple reports and one from Dan wetzel.
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1np look at it from a business standpoint and not with your emotions
@@insanemob8508 there is no emotions involved in this . FSU is not AAU and the BIG cares about that. Multiple reports have said that the SEC is standing pat at 16 and if they would add their preference would be UNC and Virginia. As for the BIG they vetted ten teams several months ago and the only one from Florida was Miami, which is AAU.
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1npthe AAU narrative has been dead for a while. Not only is it not a requirement, but there is a great likely good FSU will have that status very soon. These people dealing in billions of dollars are not going to blink because FSU doesn’t have a status that is only a preference for the B1G and that FSU will inevitably have anyway.
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1np Nebraska isn't an AAU and the commissioner of the B1G has already said that they prefer AAU schools but it's not something they see as a requirement also the B1G and FSU has been in talks for a while now ... At the end of the day the money matters and FSU is worth more as a athletic program for TV revenue than UNC and Virgina combined from a business perspective adding FSU is the best move for the B1G
Tier 3 SEC as you have it would steamroll Tier 3 B10 right now.
I want the BIG 10 to add Florida State, Miami, Stanford to be able to get the most valuable college football team Notre Dame. Also, I would shock everyone in all of college sports and add Georgia Tech to get access to the Atlanta market.
SEC doesn’t even need to think about the Big 10 - y’all obsessed with us. Beoches.
"Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power."
Why would the SEC be obsessed with Florida State? I live in Florida and the gators are the most talked about team. FSU is an after thought. FSU needs to go to the BIG. You will get more money along with more travel expenses. How many FSU fans have the money to travel to more than two away games? I'll take playing a school in the state next to me over traveling a thousand miles to see FSU play Michigan. FSU needs the BIG. The SEC already has their foot print in Florida.
@@highup7wrong.. everyone knows Miami is the 1 team in Florida
@@jimmyjam5453Miami needs to major strides this year love Miami but we need to start competing for a playoff spot. We are the U our play last 20 years has been downright awful. GO CANES
@@krakenNation very true but I think this will be the year for a leap forward finally. Just thinking, Miami has been bad for so long but they still get very good TV ratings. When we start playing like the U consistently there is no other team in college football that moves the needle more.
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As a long time of Miami id prefer to see them in the SEC but whatever happen is beyond my control so ill just sit back and watch how it all olays out
ND is a brand but when it comes to football they are irrelevant
Much prefer the SEC model of keeping the league regional. Natural additions of Texas and Oklahoma. See little interest in FSU. The league already has the top dog in the Florida footprint. I could see a North Carolina and UVA addition in the future. Add's two more border state's flagship universities. Both leagues are very good and will have plenty of money. I personally just prefer keeping the SEC more regional with only states the border current members. Other opinions differ.
No southern team wants to go play northern teams in November. It is a huge disadvantage, as the LA teams will find out. That's why all the decent bowl games are in the southern half of the US.
Even the SEC has to go to Missouri. I think it will work out better for FSU as their early season games have been affected by hurricanes. The northern schools are going to kill to be in Florida later in the year for recruiting and weather. It will be similar to the ACC. I can't think of many snow games vs BC or Pittsburgh at least for FSU. ACC had it set where every school played at least one Florida school FSU or UM every year. FSU opened vs USC in LA in 1997 and played many Big 10 schools in the 80s and 90s. With bigger NIL deals for national schedules I doubt many teams will care expect the SEC ones who use excuses like weather as to way they can only play in one area and the same schools over and over again
Big10 is now the primer conference by adding USC, UCLA, Oregon & Washington.
THE SEC HAS BEEN THE DOMINANT CONFERENCE AND IT HASN'T BEEN CLOSE WHEN YOU CONSIDER ANY METRIC OF SUCCESS!
Ancient history. BIG 10 with FSU & ND want BIG 10
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@@photo2george523ancient history? Big 10 was lucky that Georgia was left out of the playoffs. Otherwise the SEC would be holding another national championship.
@@g.holland4862 lol
a) The SEC has been the worst of the now P5 in men's basketball measured by Final Four success over the past ~10 years.
b) The SEC is only better than the BIG12 among the P4 as an academic association
c) The SEC has improved in overall sports but sponsors the fewest in number
Great points!
Before you big ten people go totally orgasmic the footprint of the SEC is where the HS talent is located. It still gets back to HS recruiting.
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Let's see how good fsu is when they have to play in a real conference. They have walked into the post season for 20 years after beating nobody and will now finally have a challenge over a whole season.
Check up on FSUs record vs the big10 and sec over the past 20 years.
ND should either be independent or fully in a conference.
Things have gotten boring , let's change. Got warpaint , will travel. Am for FSU from Panama City Beach FL.
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I'm pretty sure Notre Dame would go back The Big East if the ACC folds.
TV is the reason for CFB dysfunction as both Conferences have allowed them to literally take over the sport. As far as FSU goes, let them get out of that GoR deal first.
"Brands" = brainwashing to think in terms of big business sponsorship which has destroyed rivalries and ruined the game in general
If the Big 12 is left out, I guarantee that the fans will make the nuclear option of going to Congress to micromanage collegiate athletics.
Rumor says that Texas A&M is not happy with the addition of Texas, and is exploring the possibility of joining the B1G. That would be an even bigger get than FSU, which is a terrific prize itself.
This is what people are sleeping on. If the B1G adds the Texas market, with FSU and ND, it truly is over for SEC dominance. When A&M was added to the SEC, all teams revenue increased. A&M is AAU, endowment equal or larger than Michigan and is one of the richest Athletic departments in the sport. Not to forget one of the largest public research, land, sea and space grant Universities. I hope B1G adds A&M and solidifies B1G complete dominance. Screw the SEC and ESPN.
Why Norte dame. They will not win another championship. Ever. If just recognition I understand.
a 4 team playoff eventually lead to a P4 situation. A 6+6 playoff leads to...
Man, when i was in the last couple years of high school 06-07, everyone on the espn forum boards trolled the B1G as the weakest conference. They absolutely demolished my Buckeyes saying we didnt have the speed, talent, etc... Not going to lie it's refreshing to see our conference take over.
FSU is welcome in the Big 10 anytime and the buckeyes already recruit Florida. Other big 10 suck so that's on them. Acc can keep Miami U 😂
I think Meatchicken should go to the SEC if they are going to cheat so stupidly!
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Ever notice where Pitt plays ND soon fallows?
Only a fool would think the SEC will not expand again. The reality is the conference names will almost certainly change as well.
Ok who's left to take that really adds value to the SEC
I think the sec is good but they do not deserve all the credit. Anytime they have a team no matter what team they are always rated higher than any other team with the same record. We seen that with old miss Tennessee Missouri and I know Texas is not a sec the past seasons but they are also always rated in the top 25 no matter what. I am not saying they don’t have good teams but this playoff format with 4 teams the sec was already having 2 teams in every year before the season even started. I like before when they used a computer format because it takes the bias out of the picture
All interesting thoughts but for fans not so much (players of sports sheesh) if you are an Oregon fan traveling to the other side of the country to go to games in Fl. or Oregon S. Carolina?
ND to the Big 12 . They will play 5 games in the Big 12 and stay independent. They know they can’t win in the SEC & Big 10
If one of those conferences add those teams than, yes in addition to what they have they would be the top conference.if those key teams are split between the two different story.
The BIG can include FSU ,Notre Dame etc, that does not change the fact that the SEC has won about 90% of the football championships.
Notre Dame football is not going to be in the Big 10 because of Michigan said no ones
IF the ACC collapses, THEN Notre Dame could go ROGUE.
Notre Dame ice hockey is already an Associate B1G member.
Remember what happen to Big East (over a decade ago)??
Notre Dame could choose 9 to 11 teams from ACC, independents, etc.
to Create an Alternative.
Stanford and California (west); North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson, Georgia Tech (east);
SMU (midwest). Find additional 2 to 4 teams,
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Florida State and Miami may want to go to SEC,
BUT could be big mistake. SEC is regional, where are media $$ ?
I am strongly interested in getting a stronger Gators team. It seems they have been robbed by all the teams coming to Florida to rob the talent.. I am a Bama fan but I need strong Florida teams. State and Miami and Gators need to be strong. Perhaps Notre Dame needs to join the SEC, rather that than the alternative. The best football players come from where they have the season. Up north it is only seasonal. Down south college football is an year round intensity. Up north it is seasonal.
Very valid point, the SEC is still slightly ahead. The path is there for the BIG 10 take the lead with adding FSU, ND, UNC. However, you have to factor in that the SEC isn't going to sit idle and watch it unfold without making a countermove. It's gonna be fun to watch for sure. Great video!
Who's the SEC gonna take that realistically adds enough value to offset the B1G getting FSU and ND ... UNC really isn't a huge add at least not as big as some people think if I were the B1G I'd rather add Miami but after that who's left that's really capable of being worth 100M a year ... They can double down on their current market and take Clemson but their not worth as much as FSU now and their values decreasing because unlike FSU they were never a national brand FSU maintained a chunk of it's value even while missing bowl games ... Add NCstate and Virgina maybe GT and Virgina Tech ... Are those teams people are really gonna watch or are they just more Missouri's ... Maybe TCU Oklahoma State West Virgina and Baylor I mean maybe but the BIG12 isn't in collapse like the ACC they might be harder to get ... And who's really in the West or North that's not in the B1G right now and is worth taking other than ND who would never join the SEC ... The B1G taking FSU ND UNC and like I said Miami would leave the SEC with no real way to compete with them and while the SEC is still slightly ahead in terms of the on the field product the B1G is already beating them in every other way and it's only a matter of time before that starts to matter
@ddcs0s BIG10 can add whomever, but it still doesn't compute to "On the field dominance." Since the BCS Era (1998 - current), BIG10 has only had 2 different National Champions while the SEC has had 8. There are levels to this and FSU and ND do not place the BIG10 above the SEC.
@@taekwonjohnson2878 FSU on it's own has won 3 championships in the past 30ish years and has a winning record against the SEC but really my entire point was the B1G will be financially more successful with it's current TV deal which will likely lead to off the field success and adding FSU and ND would make it very hard for the SEC to negotiate a TV deal that could be competitive with the B1G ... The B1G is already above the SEC it's just a waiting game
@@ddcs0s You can't be "already above" when you're doing everything in your power to try and be nearly as relevant.
@@EulogyfortheAngels FSU leaving the ACC isn't about being relevant it's about looking for a TV deal that pays them near what they already generate in terms of TV revenue ... FSU brought in around 75M in TV revenue to the ACC in 2022 and that number will likely be much larger for 2024 and the ACC only paid out around 35M for 2022 and it will be less for 2024 and will continue to drop because Cal Stanford and SMU are red programs in the ACC they won't generate enough money to raise everyone else's payouts when you combine all of this with the fact that FSU has won 3 championships in the past 30ish years (which is as many championships as the entire B1G10 has won in that same time frame and is more championships and is as many or more championships as all but 4 current SEC members) FSU is also 12th all time in win percentage (Only 2 current SEC program rank above them) and 6th in time spent as the AP number 1 team in the country with Bama being the only current SEC member with more time spent at the 1 spot as a matter of fact FSU has spent 72 weeks as AP number 1 the SECs second best program in term of time spent as AP number 1 is UGA with 51 weeks ... FSU doesn't need help being relevant to be honest they don't even really need the money their not broke and with the expanded playoff it's unlikely they'd ever get screwed again ... The entire reason FSU wants out of the ACC is based on principal and principal alone a deal where you get paid less than half your value is a bad deal
Nebraska in any tier besides being dead last is absolutely amazing. “Well back in the day they used to be a powerhouse”! Ya, a quarter of a century ago 😂 the last ten years they have sucked.
I am not sure this coast-to-coast conference situation is not a mixed bag, especially when you are looking at the sports like soccer, gymnastics, etc. that are an important parts of the school's athletic program but not a big revenue generator. The op mentioned the Big Ten catching and passing the SEC by adding some of the stronger ACC teams, but one could argue (as did the op) that the two leagues are already pretty even, and top to bottom, the Big Ten may actually be better this year. I also am wondering where the point of diminishing returns is on the number of teams in a conference, regardless of how strong they are, and that applies to both the SEC and the Big Ten.
You also need to look at how well the teams fit into their conference. My two teams are Arkansas, where I am from and live, and FSU, where I went to school, so this colors my perspective, but I think both FSU and Clemson are better SEC fits and Notre Dame is a natural fit for the Big Ten.
I find it interesting to see the current cooperation between the Big Ten and the SEC as they put pressure on the NCAA to make some changes. Keep in mind that another option out there that is not being discussed is what happens if there is a split, with the Big Ten and SEC (Big SEC) being in one group and the teams that elect to remain part of the NCAA in another group. This could certainly impact the picture even further, especially if there were reasons that NCAA teams couldn't compete with the Big SEC group.
I am all SEC but I don’t hate the Big you have a couple good programs and after expansion it is going to be interesting.
No way FSU would join the Big they want to be in the SEC.
But I can Norte Dame going to the Big probably Clemson we don’t like Clemson.
Go Vols!!
The SEC still has power brands in talent rich states. Alabama, Georgia, Texas, LSU. Those brands are going to be fine and with a 12 teams playoffs, as they will still have a chance to win every season. Comparing UCLA and Nebraska to Tennesse and Missouri is a joke. Where is Ole Miss? Top ten last two years with Lane Kiffin? Come on. At least get your facts right. Just one question. When is the last year that Nebraska had a good year in the BIG TEN?
probably just after Vanderbilt did -- some years you are good and some you aren't. Now that Saban has retired, will Alabama be the same dominant team for another 15+ yrs? Most people highly doubt it. Will ANY other college team have the same run that Alabama did? Again, probably not; so comparing any one team to another is just pure speculation.
UCLA was highly competative in a loaded PAC 12 last season and Missouri is a perfect example of how a midwestern doormat could be turned
around. Nebraska just brought in Matt Rhule.Why is it so crazy that in this new era of NIL with the B1G flush with TV deal money, that Nebraska
could finally turn the corner?
The SEC appears to be playing things smart. Preserve its geo-centric branding while targeting the best available schools that fit, have the highest ceilings in the coming closed P2 world, and that improve its overall holistic standing across the major factors.
What school has joined the B1G that also had any material interest from the SEC?
The SEC's pride will ultimately be their downfall. The SEC doesn't think that it *needs* anyone. The SEC could thwart the B1G and stop them dead in their tracks if they were to reach out and add Clemson, FSU, UNC, and NC State. Get to 20 and be the undisputed best conference in the nation. Sure, the B1G COULD theoretically add Miami and Virginia (or GA Tech) and be content, but it wouldn't in any way, shape, or form be as good as what the SEC did in this scenario.
That said, if the B1G adds FSU, it's over.
I wouldn't expect that the B1G HAS to have a travel partner for FSU, but I can say that having to play a 9 game conference schedule in the B1G, going coast to coast, then also having to play Miami and Florida, leaving only one slot for a non-conference "cupcake" game, will put FSU at a disadvantage. Personally, I'd rather Miami came with us and kept that rivalry as a protected conference rivalry rather than letting it potentially die.
Don't get me wrong, if it came down to "You go alone or not at all" you go 100 times out of 100, but still...
At least in the case of the SEC, you now have the Florida game as a protected rivalry and can still play Miami as a non-conference game with the ability to schedule two smaller schools for non-conference as well.
If the SEC gets Miami, Clemson and NC. Game over.
@@TheMCJ2011 of that list, Clemson is the best add, they’re the most watched and consistently good at football.
UNC adds basketball and a new state. Miami adds nostalgia.
As much as SEC people don’t want to admit it, FSU is a bigger prize than all of the above. I get it though, the 1990’s soured a lot of SEC people.
If the B1G and SEC carve up the ACC that surely drives Notre Dame into the B1G. ESPN would renegotiate down the tv rights deal with the
remaining ACC schools which would undermine NDs reasoning that they can remain independant because they are only a little behind the
power two with the existing ACC/ESPN deal and their solo deal with NBC.
Hmmm.... I seem to recall some guy in Miami that, oh, I don't know, has a lot of influence and owns the Miami Dolphins is a U Mich grad. Not that he would throw his weight around and steer Miami to the B1G. Nah, never happen.
I agree, if the BIG10 gets FSU then the conference will win the next 20 titles in a row and send 30+ first rounders to the NFL every year moving forward.
The copium levels in this comment thread are hilarious.
Adding teams does not equate to on the field results. It's all hypothetical and presumptuous. Washington could very well slip to being a 6-6 team every year: what did the Big10 gain?
The SEC has also been the best because the Playoff model had previously locked out good tea s from ither conferences that may have had a chance to win.
The NCAA rankings penalizes conference parody, so when the SEC beats up on 4 cupcakes per year, most of the teams have a winning record atvthe end if the year, and going 8-0 to 5-3 against average to good teams makes the entire league look good.
Granted Alabama, Georgia, a d LSU have been legit. I respect they have play good non conference games. The SEC just knew how to play the system better.
PS, Im laughing at the eggheaded PAC12 presidents who couldn't get out of their own way to be relevant.
We here in the SEC are not worried about any other conference in the country. It’s funny that all the others are falling apart, and most of them want to get into the SEC.
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🤣 these comments give me so much optimism for the SEC.
For a conference that loves to brag about academic standards its pretty funny reading all these steaming hot takes.
Yall really think ESPN is responsible for the SEC’s success…. 😆
You really out here doing the mental gymnastics to put Michigan in the same tier as UGA, Bama, and Ohio State?
You really think FSU, USC, and PSU are on the same level as TX, LSU, OK, TN?
I guess my only other question is who is your dealer?
I selfishly want fsu in the sec so I can actually go to away games.
What if all the teams you talk about join the SEC? I would think, that there may be some splitting of all those teams. Sounded like a Big Ten's fan's pipe dream. Now wake up! lol
The best players are in SEC country. Outside of maybe Notre Dame, the SEC isn’t concerned with adding teams in Big 10 country. The Big 10 needs to recruit players in SEC country regardless of tv contract numbers. What happens if SEC keeps winning championships?
Notre Dame is not as important as they were, especially as important as they think they are. Florida State is just a after thought at this point, you're grasping at straws my friend.
Pipe dreams. 😄
I love reading these comments about how great the BIG 10 is. If I didn't look at which conference is winning the most National Championships in the last 15 years in football and baseball, I might fall for the delusion they are spewing.
Totally agree and B1G in 2024 is already slightly ahead of the SEC.
Please explain...with FACTs
"They win the Natty at a nearly 85% rate, so surely us adding teams that haven't been in a Natty in 20 years + besides Oregon will put us immediately ahead."
Make it make sense.
The problem for ND will be schedule. If the B1G goes to 10 conf games, there's little incentive to schedule ND as a non con.
The ACC and SEC should merge together. They should also go after Norte Dame. I believe that the Big Ten Conference will be a Norte Dame landing spot in the end.
This is delusional.
Before everyone crowns the B10 the new king, the B10 has won 2 National Championships in 20 years. LSU and Bama have won more Naties than all of the B10 combined. Keep that in mind.
Keep this in mind as well. The past is prologue. Really does not matter. Look at the PAC. Over 100 years of history, gone. I am not anti or pro either conference.
Money would fix that quick
@@thomassweeney4494It's not the same situation. We don't STEAL MONEY from the networks (Pac10). Plus, have you not been in the South or attended any games??? We are always 80,000 to 100,000 plus in our stadiums....IT JUST MEANS MORE......really
@@taekwonjohnson2878, again, what happened last week, last month, last year, does not matter. I do not have to attend an SEC game to know football is important. The deal with ESPN is proof all by itself. All I said is the past is prologue. It means absolutely nothing. What does matter is repeating the same sold out stadium next week, next month, next year. I am not anti SEC. I am not pro B1G.
@@taekwonjohnson2878 College Football means more than the South, which explains why only 2 schools above the mason Dixon line have won a natie in 20 years and three Naties in 25 years.
The big 10 top teams already recruit florida so that won't be any different and if you add all these teams the conference is just gonna neat the hell out of and eliminate each other
Big ten would be wise to move first. Get NC , NC State, FSU, Clemson Miami and leave the 24th spot for ND.
The SEC puts its money where its mouth is: On the field with the finest top-to-bottom Team line-up of any other Conference. Most of what I heard in this video is a dream. A pipe dream.
Same thing PAC 12 said before Oregon,Washington,USC and UCLA left. If FSU and Clemson,Miami,UNC come in and you add Notre Dame it’s game over for SEC
Access to elite talent is the top factor and the 2nd factor is far behind
This is crazy 😂. Bama and ga obv clear um and OSU. 2nd tier sec clears again by a wide margin and 3rd tier sec clears. U could add ole miss a current top 10 team to this list as well in terms of winning the sec will always be the cream of the crop bc the sec recruits at a completely different level reason being all the best recruits are from the south. It's hard to pull them from the south to a completely different lifestyle in the north.
New channel?
Yeah- gonna do a little more national content over here. Still keeping FSU up on DFNS.
Rust Belt is shrinking, getting older, less college age kids, enrollments have begun to decline at Colleges nationwide, but particularly in the Rest Belt the Demographics are not on the Rust Belt's side.
This video is IF. I could make the same video with the IF going the other way.
ND is contractually tired to the ACC. Not sure why everyone keeps missing that. They played for the ACC conference champion in 2020. NBC gets all of their homes games, but all other games belong to the ACC.
Correct. Big difference is that they could get out much easier than all other full members.
@CFBAddiction nope. They're tied to the same contract that FSU is. They'll have to pay that exit fee. Their locked in also. That's why you don't hear any kick back or responded from ND on the matter. They're in bed with the ACC. That happened as soon as they signed to play for the ACC conference in 2020. Otherwise, they would have not made the playoffs because there were no non-conference games that year. ND is locked in until 2036.
NBC will be promoting Big Ten Saturday Night games during it's Notre Dame contests and both ND Big Ten matchups in 2024 (At Purdue and at USC) will be road games likely featured on Big Ten Saturday Night. Slowly but surely ND brand will be tied closer and closer to the B1G.
Yeah ask Your 2nd placed team from the B1G how Tennessee is not to be feared.
The SEC doesn't want FSU. FSU is not as valuable as you think you are. also the SEC is looking to expand not add to a state they already have a Team in.
Really? This is a pretty silly conversation..
FSU is not AAU. Some people say that is a preference and not a requirement. The BIG will probably add Miami plus one other and call it good. Unless ND becomes available in 2030.
All the AAU is simply a glorified Lobbyist group. That is not a static, Nebraska had it & lost it. In fact before Nebraska entered the B1G, they were no longer an AAU member. Each and every year schools are added & dropped. It is not a measuring stick for the quality of education a school provides. By the way Florida State viewership numbers are more than twice that of Miami. Watch a Miami game & notice there are no fans in the stands.
@@timothyblack3322 There were ten teams vetted by the BIG several months ago and only one was from Florida and that was Miami which is AAU. This may not be important to you, but it is to the BIG.
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1np‘vetted’ can result in two things: B1G wants Miami and B1G doesn’t want Miami. It looks like the vetting likely yielded the latter. Why? You don’t see Miami fighting to get out of ACC. Hmm..
@@jamesw4445 Miami would leave given the opportunity from what I've read. They and other ACC teams are waiting to see if FSU can get out without too much of a penalty. The teams that aren't looking to get out are the teams with no options; Wake forest, Syracuse, BC, and a lesser case NCS.
Mi State was not AAU when admitted. FSU is on the cusp, and frankly, should have been granted over ND, who has no hospital and performs little research (good school, but AAU is about research more than anything). If the B1G wants FSU, and I believe they do, temporary lack of AAU will not be a hangup.