I once had a conversation with a college buddy who became a cop. He told me that three kinds of people become cops. The ones who've bought into the whole "protect and serve" thing, the people who need a job and have a certain skill set that lends itself to police work, and the ones who just want to have a stick and a gun and a badge that'll let them use the stick and the gun with impunity. And that the percentages shake out about evenly for all three types.
That seems probable, as that goes for pretty much anything, nurses have the same thing, as healthcare is always in need of people and it's fairly easy on the theoretical side. Some nurses are sweethearts, others are indifferent and others are downright nasty, i guess that's what humans are like, or life in general. I do wonder though, what is the corruption and fail rate between male and female cops? I ask, because i had a colleague at my old job that was originally from Turkey, but he was brought to Holland (where i live) by a woman that married him, she was a cop. He was a terrible, or at the very least, a weird and uncivilized human being, purely based on the interactions i had at work, but apparently he had also cheated on her. She found out somehow, and used her police gun to shoot and kill him while she was at home, could be from an out of control argument, or straight up shot him idk. I was just wondering if that position of power can corrupt women more easily because of the disadvantages against men in general life. There's a couple of dodgy female security officials in my town as well, i mean, i can't point to any proof, but they hang around with the kind of guys they'd usually have to restrain during work hours. They like the "badboys", which what my dead ex colleague also was. Do they prefer to live on the edge like that, or are they just not very bright, or, i guess both.
The "3rd type" also seems to like driving 80 mph in a 35 zone while not even in pursuit "just because they can". I've never seen a cop get pulled over for speeding. They must view it as another perk, get to beat the hell out of people AND drive as fast as they want.
I love that you have a NY Times columnist and the former Minneapolis Police Chief at the same table. This show is fantastic. I miss this when you are on break.
Too bad they didn't discuss the similarities between the current Memphis case and the George Floyd case....both described by officers as being high, both calling out for their mothers, a common behavior among drug addicts when threatened...both non compliant....when ppl are high their not in touch w reality and thus not aware of what they are doing and thus an immediate threat to cops and the innocent public....tough situation made impossible in today's low information cancel culture society...no winners in these situations
@@Screative1 Stephens is an old school Buckley conservative. Just because he doesn't see eye to eye with current wacko GOP, he is the most conservative at the table.
Minneapolis has college training requirements and has ongoing training for their officers. The problem is the inability to get rid of bad eggs that reek worldwide.
"They ought to have two new requirements for being on the police; intelligence and decency. You never can tell, it might just work; it certainly hasn’t been tried yet." - George Carlin
"If you need special training to tell you not to shove large, cumbersome objects up people's a$$holes, then maybe you're too f'ed up to be on the police force in the first place!"
I agree with the former MPLS Police Chief about character vs training. But a step further… *Who is HIRING these bad character officers??* They don’t hire themselves.
American police are well trained? Here in Norway you need a master degree at the police academy, something that takes 3 years. THAT is well trained police.
@@andrewb8235 A bit limited are you in linking reasons why some things don't happen? Are you from another Country other than U.S.? A 3 or 4 year education in the U.S. is extremely expensive. People who are interested in being Police do not typically come from wealthy families. Therefore if we had a multiyear requirement without Gov't support, it would never happen. People with money in the US spend on education that will result in higher end employment. Many aspects of Capitalism are unfair. And if you look at our intercity gang problems, you can see the net results of predators on society. So, wake up and get a clue.
You could have a doctorate degree requirement to become a policeman but your still dealing with the dumbest most ignorant and violent people of society. That degree will only teach you to run away or look elsewhere for employment. Facts g
Your national population is 5 million. Ours is 322 million. You have one major city. We have about 50 major cities. The problems are the gun laws. Our police are afraid. They act like frightened animals when on duty and it stems from the citizens owning guns.
@@CheeseSqueezer of all people getting killed by cop in the usa in 2022 94% had a weapon and wouldn't drop it. And it aint the character of thugs and cops. It's the situation they get in involved day and day out. The ghetto of the usa vs Norway is laughable. Chicago had record number of murders in 1 weekend last year. And the diversity training sucks. Black cops killing black people showed us it's not about race. Get those thugs off the streets in the best option you have. Get them young and put them in some kind of kibbutz or Charter School and get them straight.
It's not the number of bad cops that's the problem. It's the number of good cops afraid to step in, speak up, and stand up to the bad cops that's the problem.
because they would get fired for "snitching." police unions protect killer cops all the way to court. they never have to serve time. the george floyd one was the exception.
It's less than 89 bullets. Some German Cops had a whole 45 yr career in the force and didn't draw their gun ONCE. And yes German cops all carry guns. Police training in Germany is measured in years, not weeks. England famously has many cops without guns. They also have about 18000 specially trained cops with guns. All of them together typically fire about 5 shots a year.
@@danwohlslagel1277 let's start by NOT having panicky cops with itchy trigger fingers pumping 20 bullets into a person because he reached for his wallet after they asked him for ID. there's your training problem right there. i blame dirty harry movies, where Eastwood always shot first, and somehow everyone he shot was just about to draw a gun and shoot him. cops are in virtually no danger. i think it was this show, they said one cop died a week. that's 53 cops a year, out of the entire US, out of every single cop interaction. they don't NEED to shoot as many times as they do. get rid of the times they don't need to shoot and then we'll look at the times they do.
@@danwohlslagel1277 Why don't YOU try rounding up all guns that have no sporting purpose? You can keep your deer rifles and shotguns, just like in other countries. But get all the handguns and military hardware off the streets. You might be surprised at how less trigger happy your police are when every traffic stop is not like the faceoff before the shootout at the OK Corral.
Ding Ding Ding. In 3 years you can vet a candidate thoroughly enough for this tough job, and identify if s/he has the right character, in 3 months that's simply not do-able.
@@MichielGroenewegen I don't know why you'd make up something that is so easy to disprove. I checked 2 of them (Netherlands and Poland) and it's false.
Also that officer is right. It doesn't matter if they have the best training in the world if their moral compass is off well then the unfortunate happens. Definitely need to improve on how to know the character of officers before hand to prevent further incidents like this for sure.
That's because the standard testing used by most PD won't accept those with over 100 IQ. Right now; that means non-thinking drones are the pool of applicants from which they draw. THAT is the problem.
The nature of a psychopath will not allow that to come to light. They are covert. That is why they are so successful, they are charming and good at using other people's emotions to get what they want.
Also alot the times the kind of people that want to be cops are usually assh**les that like having power over others and know they can do things to others and usually get away with it. it's the type of job that attracts those type of people, cops got to take what they can get lol
@@Pugetwitch and they evolved right along empathetic people because our evolution deemed them necessary to human survival. Do people not understand that not all humans are good.
Make cops carry their own liability insurance like contractors, painters, plumbers etc. The insurance companies will do better mental health screenings. If a cop has too many complaints he will become uninsurable therefor unemployable. If they actually had something to lose, maybe they would learn to control their anger issues. Also the billions in settlements that us taxpayers have to pay, should come directly from the police pension fund. If "Good" cops were going to lose $ for bad cops, maybe They would finally police other cops.
It’s a great idea but there is a balance to be struck. We don’t want cops not taking appropriate action because they don’t want to get sued. Their needs to be a national standard or leadership academy. You don’t get to be a captain or higher unless you have graduated from the academy. Also, let’s enforce some physical fitness and political activity standards please.
Im a small business owner, i am latino, i am here on an "investor visa" that allows me to have my business here, the visa as it sits does not let me have a path to residency, i would like to have that option. I have been here for 5 years almost, i have traveled to the US for the last 30+ years, i love to live here, i appreciate the opportunities i have here, i pay taxes, i keep an orderly life and home, i want to succeed, not having a path to residency on a case like mine is one of the most unfair things there is, especially when people with a lot less qualifications than mine have a better chance towards residence than me. The system needs to be completely revamped and worked in favor of the people who contribute, and not so much the unlucky ones that just want to get in on a whim.
Definitely, US is dumb for turning away highly skilled tech workers and business people and college students. If they want to be successful here, keep em! Make some immigration laws, congress!
people like marjorie taylor green are the problem. we need people willing to work there is huge demand for workers. you should be allowed a green card and after 5 years citizenship if you want it. but americans are mostly selfish idiots when it comes to immigration..
Follow My Countries laws!! Quit trying to change them to benefit you !! Why don't you put your business and law changing ambition into changing your own country then you wouldn't have to come to mine and tell us to change just for you !! There is a clear path for citizenship in this country you just don't want do it!!
@@wirelessuser4943 you need to reread what he just explained, he didn't say he came here illegally, he is following the rules exactly as it is written, but those coming across the border illegally have better chances, it seems, to path of citizenship under the Biden Administration, then someone coming in the legal route. He's been coming back and forth to the US for 30yrs under a visa to keep his business going, and pays his taxes in the US. Reread it again.
Those who are given power over others tend to abuse that power. It was illustrated in the Stanford Prison Experiment and the same thing appears to happen in policing.
At 2:06. The quality of the person (re. recruitment screening) is not the only issue. Even after rules and training, there is a police subculture which officers learn very early on in their field training. In Canada police colleges give only a few hours to ethics training, yet this is one of the most important area an officer needs for the job. A subculture that tells a new officer to not be a rat, go along with senior officer behavior, rewards arrests for serious offences over minor ones, and promotes an environment of stereotypes about minorities, the homeless and those with prior offences will always lead to bad outcomes.
The quality of the officer that's the problem, not the training? Neither is the problem. It's the criminal's responsibility to comply, and they were never taught because of broken families and communities, lack of morality in their communities, and THEIR broken subculture. Our criminals in the USA are some of the worst, most violent, and most armed in the world. You can't compare our streets to a country like Germany in my opinion...
That's funny.. you think you can teach ethics in a classroom. You Canadians are adorable. You have em or you don't. There's horrible child molesting teachers, welders that are murderers, cops that might be dirty. There's nothing that's going to change human nature.. people suck that's just how it is
I spoke with the facilitator of an Implicit Bias training required by my government job. He said he trains LE across the country and he said many are resistant to the training.
"There's also a lot of brown and black . . . " "Yea, it's a made up white thing." That elicited a laugh from me, but I personally never considered it as such, yet it makes all the sense in the world. I hope I think before I ever again say "brown and black people, or people of color" and lump them all together. We seem to have this need for labels and to use them as shortcuts for blanket solutions that ignore the diversity that exists. Bravo sir for a great point well made.
White people say a lot of stupid shit. Republicans win in Florida because they gerrymander the state, have ads in Spanish on the radio and say the Democrats want to turn USA in to Venezuela. That's what the message was with that vote on Socialism in the House.
People use those terms for saying "non-white" while appearing nice, not for ignoring diversity. And it's not a white thing, as far as I can tell, it's a woke thing: lumping people together based on their race seems to be the priority of many self-proclaimed anti-racists of every race. As for our need to use labels and make generalizations, that's because that's what makes us human. The other option is sniffing specific things and grunting.
Law enforcement needs to be reformed, period. Yes. I do firmly believe that it's riddled with systemic racism... along with lack of accountability & lack of vetting system. 💯
5 black dudes beating another black dude. Blearly white racism at play. This is why even prominent liberals are not taking the race card seriously anymore.
@@gregr3720 The point I was making is that even with extremely favorable statistic , you still get a lot of horrible result and That's what the police are being judged on.
end qualified immunity. Until they are held accountable for their actions and not the city/govt/taxpayer it will continue. They start out small and it escalates.
We need to do more their unions a d the departments that rehire officers with histories of abuse in other departments. Make a culture where they won't just condition people to beat up and kill cause they scared
If you ended QI you wouldn’t have any police officers left. They would all quit. No cop is going to hire private attorneys and risk losing their house to be a police officer. Do you know how many frivolous bullshit law suits are filed against officers? The job wouldn’t be worth doing.
Complete revocation of qualified immunity runs the risk of police not acting with the necessary response in an emergency situation. There needs to be a balance between virtually complete unaccountability like we have now and accountability for every single reasonable mistake that’s bound to occur in the field.
So.....Basically you want the police abolished then? They have to have the ability to do things others cannot when needed to. Nobody wants them to get away with criminal acts.
Theyre different content created for different purposes. He also doesnt get crazy high. He sips a drink and re-lights the same joint 500 times while taking 5 puffs. Ewww... Rogan.
I am a fan of both Club Random and Real Time. Interesting to compare and contrast the two. On Club Random I've seen Bill's demeanor vary depending on who the guest is, the subjects they talk about, and how comfortable he is with them. I think that is part of its appeal. Lol
Arrondondo was an excellent chief of police for Minneapolis. He inherited a long-standing, department of rural, racist, good ole boys who undermined him.
Bret, excellent way of bringing back the past theme of "99.5 %" to end of the show using the double meaning of the name Rondo. Well played sir! Vindication was deserved.
Overtime is actually the best segment on the show because during COVID they reduced it down to just bill and two guests, with limited back and forth. It's good when they get to start and continue a dialogue without Bill trying to dominate.
@@bipolarminddroppings hosting the show isn't constantly interrupting and talking over your guests. Or preaching on a soap box. I agree with the original poster that Bill can be obnoxious to his guests sometimes which is frustrating as I often want to hear what they were trying to say. More than once I have said out loud, "shut up Bill and let him finish!" Watch Michael Parkinson if you want a master class on how to host and let your guests shine.
So it's not training - but then, if it's character, then it's recruitment. I checked the difficult to believe numbers from Germany - they're actually true, every single bullet fired gets investigated
I once went to cops because an ex (who is a body builder) had his hands around my throat. They believed HIM, (even though he served 13 yrs for aggravated assault in prison) over me. I'm sorry, but with that level of mysogyny and bad judgment, it's hard for me to agree that most cops are good. Yes, they need better training. I heard a video of the warrior cop training, and the man was literally telling them to be killers, to be murderers. That's not good training. Also - get rid of qualified immunity!!! Nobody should be above the law, and able to get away with every crime.
Part of it may be police have to walk on eggshell partly because of the actions of other police officers if they put their hands around his throat he will sue and on body camera he will probably win I understand your concern but I believe the majority of them are good
When someone says "latinos" share a culture, it's very obvious that they were born in the US. People from Latin America don't refer to themselves as latino generally speaking, and they don't view themselves as a shared culture. I think it's this tone-deaf idea that you can treat them as a monolith that's the problem, on top of the idea that you can be completely ignorant of general differences in Latin American cultures and also ignorant of what they actually care about. Lots of the Latin Americans who come here do so escaping a left-wing government. It doesn't mean that our left is like their left, but it's automatically going to make a large group of them against the left. So the fact that they don't even know what they care about or understand where anglo-American culture differs is just adding insult to injury.
What!!!! Most Latin countries don't have a mandatory education. The ppl that come here are escaping poverty, political corruption, a drug, cartel violent culture, a conformist ( whatever) public that just wants to be entertained. Even when thy get here learning abt how it went wrong in their countries seems not important to them. What is important is the money honey ( gov $) thy can apply for here.
Oh please. The average white person was listening, and they hear this so they don't care anymore. I'm 43. I was taught the terms African American, Caucasian and Asian on the Cosby show. Now I hear bs that I came up with African American to distance myself and I don't acknowledge unique Indian culture when I just say Asian. Then I was racist for coming up with Indian. I am trying to create division in Asian people. I'm evil for saying mena is white. It's a constant game and most people are sick of it. Every person has their own opinion and if you don't parrot that you are seen as a bigot. Which is funny because anyone born in the US is seen as a fake Latino/Hispanic/preferred term here by those born outside the US.
I have been watching real time/politically incorrect since the 90s. This was one of the best overtime segments ever. Definitely in top 10 because of Stephen's comments about "Latinos".
At McDonald's, you can get all the training that they offer. However if the culture within that McDonald's is to pick up a bun when it drops on the floor, and you get chastised you because you do not that, and if you do not fall in line with how everyone else is operating inside that McDonald's, you might actually lose work hours and support in the kitchen. So if you want to continue to make money, and in a reasonably safe environment, you best fall in line.
Thank you, Bret Stephens. I come from a Mexican-Am family, and I had family members vote for Biden and Trump. The younger people are more liberal, but after covid that changed as the Dems were doing all the mandates laws in Ca and I definitely rebelled against that.
Great conversation and finally someone says out loud it’s not the quality of the training, focus on the quality of the individual who’s wearing the uniform (my interpretation- pay them more and attract a different type of person to the force)
Yea, so do away with the qualified immunity and adopt an individual insurance model like any other profession. I mean doctors aren't shielded and neither are house painters so what makes cops special. Let their record weed out the bad ones very quickly instead of taxpayers covering their asses.
Batgurrl, some cops in Cali are already making $300k and up with benefits! How much more do you want to give these GOONSQUAD members? They already feel ridiculously ENTITLED and NARCISSISTIC! Give me a break! The solution is clearly the removal of Qualified Immunity. Every other reform happens AFTER they’re required to be ACCOUNTABLE for their f_ck-ups!
It's the way they are recruited, the way they are formed, the missions that are given to them, the way those services are structured up to the way they are named. "Scorpion", seriously... And why does the US police has so much military stuff ? Because it was a ploy of the Pentagon to spare money by "giving" its cold war arsenal to the police forces. But a paramilitary militia with bradley IFVs and "robocop" disguised SWAT teams is absolutely unable to do a police job. What it can do is occupy a territory. Act like Tsahal in the Occupied Territories. Give a hammer to a man, and, for him, everything around him will look like a nail. A police force should look and act like the idealized UK bobbies (idealized, because the met has its own problems, particularly with the way it treats women), not like special forces on a battle field.
I've seen any number of ex cops talk about how it is indeed the training. Not all cops go to the same training centers but I've seen interviews where people who attended the academies gave example after example of how escalating violence was taught, and when the trainee suggested it wasn't the best thing to do in these situations, they were just brow beaten until they shut up.
Training is part of it. In some places, typically large cities, there is better training but in smaller areas with little money, training is often very limited. The larger problem as I see it, is cultural. Street cops very often stick together and stick by each other no matter what because they believe that the only ones they can trust are each other. They believe the upper ranks and their political masters are too anxious and eager to stab them in the back and sell them out for doing their jobs. This gets around and when you combine it with a steady drumbeat of "defund" and "abolish" and with DAs like Gascon and Boudin who essentially want to legalize crime, over time this will push the good people out of the force and prevent other good people from applying. You can't overcome this with money. You can double their pay and it still won't keep good people in the ranks. Would you take a job like that in that kind of environment where your superiors were speaking out against you daily? I sure as hell wouldn't.
In most of the world, police officers get the equivalent of a 3-year/4-year BA degree. In the US, average police training takes 25 weeks. So yes, it is the training.
I think a big part of the problem is simply that the types of people who want to become cops, are not the kinds of people who should be cops. That’s a recruiting problem, and I’m not sure how do you solve that.
Within the police forces across the country resides the largest most dangerous gang in America. Those who turn a blind eye are just as culpable. End QI to start with.
Union's have a lot to do with the corruption, because they and there family members bring there own bag of tricks into policing, most of them like to "retire" to Florida.
Anger! Officers angry at those who drive reckless, endangering the public health of others. Angry at an inefficient judicial system that slaps the hands of offenders. Anger that manifest itself in vigilante style judgment. A story retold so many times!
Once shooting begins, it doesn't stop until ammunition is exhausted because the training teaches to execute, not to disable. The training teaches that if the shooting stops early, and the suspect is able to do harm to anyone or anything, that the officer will be held accountable for not finishing the job.
America is made of people that were unwanted in their home country. Most Americans were deported from elsewhere because they were crazy, lazy, violent, drunkards, bastards, vagrants, and poor. Africa sold their convicts, insane, and conquered into slavery. Americans are not easy to police because they are defective.
Yep, the politicians and judges are the corrupt ones and it trickles down to the police. I have a friend of a friend who was a state cop who had to quit because someone in public office threatened his family if he didn’t go along with some corruption. Turning people against the police is a distraction from the policymakers who are actually the ones at fault.
Right? The SCORPION squad existed with the full knowledge and consent of the entire police department's leadership. The fact that they thought a SCORPION squad would be a good thing - knowing their tactics - shows just how evil these people are.
He's running for Senate in 2024, so he's trying to get all the attention/publicity he can. So he doesn't care if he talks over people or is obnoxious. H
The percent of good cops is the same percentage of good people in general. They are ordinary humans like all of us. The uniform doesn’t change a person’s character. The person has to change the character of the uniform.
Yes. Too many departments hire people with the wrong attitude about policing-if you want to arrest people, in the wrong job. That’s like wanting to teach in order to give out Fs as a corrective.
If the training is not the problem then the hiring process is. They should have psychological tests that checks a candidate's ego, temperment and possible anger issues,
I think you are on to something: the training of those that hire them may be a core issue. That points at leadership though and police procedures and upper management are most definitely not the problem *cough cough*
They keep lowering the requirements because the people who would be good at the job understandably do not want the job. Where else can you get hired and day one be labeled a racist and have people trying to throw you in jail for doing your job?
"It's not the training, it's the character of the individual." If ADT security guards started killing people in the numbers of the police, ADT would get shut down, and there would be new laws written to curb the ADT guys. Why is ADT more responsible for the actions of their employees than police forces? " Whoever wants power should not have it. Whoever should have power likely doesn't want it."
ADT are not faced with intervention and arrest authority among defective Americans. Four hundred years of the world deporting their problems to America is coming home to roost.
@@hc3657 ((4% of the human race is sociopath) + (world has deported their sociopaths to America)) * (400 years)/(USA population is 4.25% of Earth) = Americans are the problem, not the police
No Bill, the training of police officers is good ... and like Arradondo said .. it comes down to the individual .... I did 22 years in law enforcement ... I did what I was trained to do and if I was at a scene where an officer I was assigned with to work with started to go off base, I'd stop that officer right in his/her tracks, which happened twice in my 22 year career. Both of those times I told those officers this - "You ain't fucking up my pension!! So back the F'k off!!" See, I remember what my father told me, do the job the way they trained you to do it. In my 22 years I told my fellow officers that I wasn't going to let anyone F'k up my pension, meaning I'm making sure the job is done the way its supposed to be done. See cause those officers, whom over all the years that have disrespected, violated the citizens rights NEVER thought about what goes around comes around aspect. Meaning, how would they like it if an officer "tuned up" their child or relatives for the hell of it? I did the job the way it supposed to be done, as Arradondo said "it comes down to the individual" to uphold the law!!!
I had a conversation with a police officer on police use of force on a college campus where I was working. He was honest. 85% of the time when they got physical on campus it is a person with mental health issues. I offered to teach the officers how to restrain people in a way that was safe for the perp and the officer for free...Forty years of martial arts training. I was told no. The techniques which were not working (I watched their video footage) were approved techniques, and there would be liability issues if they did something different. Second, I asked Bill's question with something added, "Why do they always shoot for center mass even when the action is slow and a leg shot would stop the perp and why so many bullets?" Answer, "Every round that misses is a liability issue, so it is safer to shoot for the center." Dead folks don't do lawsuits? So, no they are not getting the best training around and the criteria for their training is based on fear of legal action.
I had to pass a 500 question psychological exam just to be allowed into a Brinker International restaurant management training program (Chili's). My management training program was 3 times longer than the typical police officer's training. I think we need both, psychological quality of candidates and much better training.
@@russellfink8091 ...hah hah! Most police departments literally set a maximum IQ for applicants because if they are too smart, they won't follow illegal commands. Based upon your response, you wouldn't pass as a dishwasher for Brinker. Dude, you can't even fu**ing SPELL Chili's...roflmao! Cops take no tests and I've watched half a dozen buddies who couldn't graduate high school either join the marines or become a cop, where zero brains are required. You'd fit right in...🤣
@@russellfink8091 ...nope, you don't even need a high school diploma to be a cop yet only one in a hundred pass the Brinker Psych test. I'd bet you $10,000 right now you could never get hired just by your posts...;)
If you attend any gun safety class, they typically teach you to continue firing until you've eliminated the threat. That "shooting to wound" nonsense only happens on tv and in the movies. You aim center mass because you're less likely to miss hitting your target. But I definitely agree that the de-escalation tactics [at least judging from the Tyre Nichols incident] are not being utilized at all.
Stephens, if he were half way numerate, would realize that 1 in 200 cops being morally and professionally incapable of malfeasance is absurd given the evidence of Minneapolis (1 killer; 4 watchers), Memphis (5 killers; 2 dissemblers about what happened), Baltimore (5 indicted for murder of one suspect), Louisville (one convicted of reckless endangerment) and so many others. It's not just the individual perpetrators of these crimes, but their enablers (the thin blue line in nearly its entirety) that are less than honorable.
Nice to see Stephens bring back that "good cop" thing at the end. I mean a chief of police could actually quantify that in some manner if he wanted to. He knows the percentage of cops on PIPs or who get fired or who are stuck on desk duty or whose actions resulted in a lawsuit to the city or whatever other metric. Or if he doesn't then he's not doing his job. It would have been nice to press him for an answer on that.
Nah he just sounded like a sore loser who rightfully got called out for being inarticulate with a statistic he pulled out of his ass. If he said what Medaria, Bill wouldn’t have called him out on that BS.
@@GnomesRox Yeah, but it's not just him that says that. I mean we hear made-up stats like that every time this issue comes up. It would be nice for someone with inside information to come up with an educated guess.
@@ISpitHotFiyaa Because of the lack of standardization in reporting requirements and and enforcement, accurate reporting would be highly suspect and probably undercounted. It's also incredibly hard to prove misconduct, especially when there's a culture of DAs and a community of the blue protecting their own. Even in my own county, files were mysteriously missing when investigators tried to find out patterns in complaints and corruption, and found out that they were destroyed years before. Cops aren't kept accountable and the idea that someone would be that gutsy to just say 99.5% of cops are good when I don't even believe 99.5% bakers, teachers, or doctors are good, EVEN if the vast majority are, just shows how warped of a perception people like Brett have. How anyone can saw what happened during the George Floyd protests nation wide and still pull out such ah high number is someone that is delusional.
Firing the whole clip has always bothered me. As a hunter, you learn/train to make 1 shot so the job/suffering is over as fast a possible, and humans are in fact animals.
Because deer aren't high on adrenaline coming at you with the intention to kill. If you're in a life or death scenario 1 bullet might not be enough to stop someone
@@TWE_2000 that's the training, yes. shoot until the target goes down. the problem is they shoot way too many targets that are not targets. because too many cops are panicky with itchy trigger fingers.
Ask any non special forces who have been in combat. Under intense stress, you don't realize how many shots you are firing when you get scared for your life.
Training doesn't matter oftentimes when the majority of people attracted to policing are bullies, racists, abusers, fascists etc .. That's always been the Prime Element Policing Attracts.
I was so happy when Rondo agreed to take over the Minneapolis police department. I am happy with his past and present leadership. I understand why he didn't stay because fighting this police union and contract is very difficult but I wish he would have stayed. He is a wonderful person.
I throw my vote to Gallego for being one of the least interesting guest I've seen on Real Time. He basically repeated everything Bret said about immigrants and seemed to have long winded comments that left me thinking...What?
Bret was spot on about everything he said about Latinos, about them being from different places and cultures, but Gallego needs them to be a monolithic voting block for him to be successful, so you could tell he didn't like what was said. Bret completely dunked on Gallego and it was fully deserved.
Ruben acted like the Democrat's version of Darrell Issa: Representing and reiterating the dumb Democratic position of the moment, throwing in the the odd "we need to do better" comment here and there. Ruben was a bit more annoying because he interrupted all the time and mumbled along in the background. Bret handed him his ass on a number of points.
I suggest all US police should read Sir Terry Prachetts Guards Guards series for starters .. lots of great advice on why being a cop is being a "Public Servant" .. and also the inclusion of trolls in the police force!
Start taking a percentage of police misconduct legal settlements, out of the police pension funds. Perhaps that will force a bit of professionalism... Perhaps?
Glad to see that you're still on RUclips, great show tonight. You're doing well, because everybody is picking on you in the independent media, keep them on their toes!
@@PtolemyCeasar Well, with "everyone" i mostly meant the Left leaning side of it, as the Right has been picking on him for longer than that already. But yeah, "still" on RUclips, because i wasn't sure if CNN was going to make Overtime exclusive only to CNN and not also have it on RUclips, glad that that wasn't the case ..
Hi Bill - huge fan of the show. Been watching for years. Please don’t bring actively running/serving politicians onto the panel discussion. They don’t really contribute to the discussion, nor Are they really interested in an in-depth discussion of the issues. They use your show as a PR opportunity for all their slogans and cliché rhetoric. If you Must, at least bring them on as the early guest so they can get their moment in the sun before we turn to the actual conversation. Love the show. 👏🏼
I think he should bring them on because it gives a public a chance to view a bit of their personality and I think Bill usually at least gets a pretty good idea of where politicians stand on social issues.
@@Pugetwitch so, read my comment again. As I said, bring them on for the first bit’s personal interview. Then have discussion section free of their BS.
Bill is provoking but he will not invite people outside the establishment to raise serious systematic criticisms that can rock the nice comfortable boat he's on. Sad to say this is the most pushback on a mainstream level we are getting
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I once had a conversation with a college buddy who became a cop. He told me that three kinds of people become cops. The ones who've bought into the whole "protect and serve" thing, the people who need a job and have a certain skill set that lends itself to police work, and the ones who just want to have a stick and a gun and a badge that'll let them use the stick and the gun with impunity. And that the percentages shake out about evenly for all three types.
That seems probable, as that goes for pretty much anything, nurses have the same thing, as healthcare is always in need of people and it's fairly easy on the theoretical side.
Some nurses are sweethearts, others are indifferent and others are downright nasty, i guess that's what humans are like, or life in general.
I do wonder though, what is the corruption and fail rate between male and female cops?
I ask, because i had a colleague at my old job that was originally from Turkey, but he was brought to Holland (where i live) by a woman that married him, she was a cop.
He was a terrible, or at the very least, a weird and uncivilized human being, purely based on the interactions i had at work, but apparently he had also cheated on her.
She found out somehow, and used her police gun to shoot and kill him while she was at home, could be from an out of control argument, or straight up shot him idk.
I was just wondering if that position of power can corrupt women more easily because of the disadvantages against men in general life.
There's a couple of dodgy female security officials in my town as well, i mean, i can't point to any proof, but they hang around with the kind of guys they'd usually have to restrain during work hours.
They like the "badboys", which what my dead ex colleague also was.
Do they prefer to live on the edge like that, or are they just not very bright, or, i guess both.
and after a few years on the job most seem to evolve into that last type.
you mean 33% cops are bad cops. That is alot.
@I'm done "Bullies" is probably an inaccurate term. Probably more like people who like the position of power/ authority over others.
The "3rd type" also seems to like driving 80 mph in a 35 zone while not even in pursuit "just because they can". I've never seen a cop get pulled over for speeding. They must view it as another perk, get to beat the hell out of people AND drive as fast as they want.
I love that you have a NY Times columnist and the former Minneapolis Police Chief at the same table. This show is fantastic. I miss this when you are on break.
Too bad they didn't discuss the similarities between the current Memphis case and the George Floyd case....both described by officers as being high, both calling out for their mothers, a common behavior among drug addicts when threatened...both non compliant....when ppl are high their not in touch w reality and thus not aware of what they are doing and thus an immediate threat to cops and the innocent public....tough situation made impossible in today's low information cancel culture society...no winners in these situations
Uber conservative New York Times columnist.
@@Screative1 I'd say he's a regular , reasonably minded conservative. What makes him so conservative that he's "uber"?
@@Screative1 Stephens is an old school Buckley conservative. Just because he doesn't see eye to eye with current wacko GOP, he is the most conservative at the table.
Yeah the chief was a joke of a leader. Look what he did for cops.
When he said that the police are getting the best training they can get, my first thought was : "Holy sh$t! Imagine if they had shitty training!"
Same here. That, and "god... how bad was their training _before?"_
... ALL places are not equal..
Minneapolis has college training requirements and has ongoing training for their officers. The problem is the inability to get rid of bad eggs that reek worldwide.
"They ought to have two new requirements for being on the police; intelligence and decency. You never can tell, it might just work; it certainly hasn’t been tried yet."
- George Carlin
"If you need special training to tell you not to shove large, cumbersome objects up people's a$$holes, then maybe you're too f'ed up to be on the police force in the first place!"
no one will sign up.
Exactly what I've thought for years, and of course George said it first and out loud.
You want better cops? Offer better pay. You can't get "intelligent and decent" individuals for peanuts.
I agree with the former MPLS Police Chief about character vs training. But a step further… *Who is HIRING these bad character officers??* They don’t hire themselves.
American police are well trained? Here in Norway you need a master degree at the police academy, something that takes 3 years. THAT is well trained police.
In Norway, you get your Education paid for, something the US Congress is too cheap and too archaic to institute, and not to mention too mean spirited.
@@andrewb8235 A bit limited are you in linking reasons why some things don't happen? Are you from another Country other than U.S.? A 3 or 4 year education in the U.S. is extremely expensive. People who are interested in being Police do not typically come from wealthy families. Therefore if we had a multiyear requirement without Gov't support, it would never happen. People with money in the US spend on education that will result in higher end employment. Many aspects of Capitalism are unfair. And if you look at our intercity gang problems, you can see the net results of predators on society. So, wake up and get a clue.
You could have a doctorate degree requirement to become a policeman but your still dealing with the dumbest most ignorant and violent people of society. That degree will only teach you to run away or look elsewhere for employment. Facts g
Your national population is 5 million. Ours is 322 million. You have one major city. We have about 50 major cities. The problems are the gun laws. Our police are afraid. They act like frightened animals when on duty and it stems from the citizens owning guns.
@@CheeseSqueezer of all people getting killed by cop in the usa in 2022 94% had a weapon and wouldn't drop it. And it aint the character of thugs and cops. It's the situation they get in involved day and day out. The ghetto of the usa vs Norway is laughable. Chicago had record number of murders in 1 weekend last year. And the diversity training sucks. Black cops killing black people showed us it's not about race. Get those thugs off the streets in the best option you have. Get them young and put them in some kind of kibbutz or Charter School and get them straight.
Honestly, Overtime is the best part of the show. It should be longer than 10 minutes.
maybe it will be if it is coming to cnn?
The new rules needs to be removed or shortened, 1 less guest in the beginning after the monolog.
I’m not a big fan of the NYT, but Bret Stephens was on fire
It's not the number of bad cops that's the problem. It's the number of good cops afraid to step in, speak up, and stand up to the bad cops that's the problem.
Yes, the police culture is flawed and that's part of the problem. The police culture is still like the Serpico movie.
because they would get fired for "snitching." police unions protect killer cops all the way to court. they never have to serve time. the george floyd one was the exception.
Just like politics
@@lindag.3313 so true
PENN AND LINDSEY GRAHAM ARE LIKE BILL MAHAR!
Hot damn, Bret Stephens just hit the nail right on the head with the condescension of the left.
He did, agreed. And Gallego absolutely hit it out of the park with the racism of the right.
Also, quite a statement about reptiles and invertebrates. My jaw hit the floor.
It's less than 89 bullets. Some German Cops had a whole 45 yr career in the force and didn't draw their gun ONCE. And yes German cops all carry guns. Police training in Germany is measured in years, not weeks.
England famously has many cops without guns. They also have about 18000 specially trained cops with guns. All of them together typically fire about 5 shots a year.
Has nothing to do with how it is to be a cop in a major city in the us.
Why don't you try it? Try being a cop in a US urban center without a gun... do the science and let us know how it goes.
Here in Ireland, it's a 2 year degree for training, many more years before qualify for an armed role.
@@danwohlslagel1277 let's start by NOT having panicky cops with itchy trigger fingers pumping 20 bullets into a person because he reached for his wallet after they asked him for ID.
there's your training problem right there. i blame dirty harry movies, where Eastwood always shot first, and somehow everyone he shot was just about to draw a gun and shoot him.
cops are in virtually no danger.
i think it was this show, they said one cop died a week.
that's 53 cops a year, out of the entire US, out of every single cop interaction.
they don't NEED to shoot as many times as they do.
get rid of the times they don't need to shoot and then we'll look at the times they do.
@@danwohlslagel1277 Why don't YOU try rounding up all guns that have no sporting purpose? You can keep your deer rifles and shotguns, just like in other countries. But get all the handguns and military hardware off the streets. You might be surprised at how less trigger happy your police are when every traffic stop is not like the faceoff before the shootout at the OK Corral.
Police training in Europa is three year, in the US 3 months.
Not true. Europe is a continent. This varies from country to country. France: 12 months. UK: 30 months.
Ding Ding Ding. In 3 years you can vet a candidate thoroughly enough for this tough job, and identify if s/he has the right character, in 3 months that's simply not do-able.
@@MrPoiuytre91 the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Polen... All al three years.
@@MichielGroenewegen I don't know why you'd make up something that is so easy to disprove. I checked 2 of them (Netherlands and Poland) and it's false.
In the Netherlands for example (since your name is Dutch), basic training is one year. This information is publicly available.
British Medical Doctors have to come to the US specifically to get experience with gunshot injuries. They happen so rarely in Britain.
The Overtimes have been fire lately. A range of guests with different ideology and beliefs has kept conversation interesting
Also that officer is right. It doesn't matter if they have the best training in the world if their moral compass is off well then the unfortunate happens. Definitely need to improve on how to know the character of officers before hand to prevent further incidents like this for sure.
That's because the standard testing used by most PD won't accept those with over 100 IQ.
Right now; that means non-thinking drones are the pool of applicants from which they draw.
THAT is the problem.
The nature of a psychopath will not allow that to come to light. They are covert. That is why they are so successful, they are charming and good at using other people's emotions to get what they want.
Also alot the times the kind of people that want to be cops are usually assh**les that like having power over others and know they can do things to others and usually get away with it. it's the type of job that attracts those type of people, cops got to take what they can get lol
THIS IS A POLICING CULTURE... If you resist then we have the right to beat you up THIS IS NOT NEW.
@@Pugetwitch and they evolved right along empathetic people because our evolution deemed them necessary to human survival. Do people not understand that not all humans are good.
Make cops carry their own liability insurance like contractors, painters, plumbers etc. The insurance companies will do better mental health screenings.
If a cop has too many complaints he will become uninsurable therefor unemployable. If they actually had something to lose, maybe they would learn to control their anger issues.
Also the billions in settlements that us taxpayers have to pay, should come directly from the police pension fund. If "Good" cops were going to lose $ for bad cops, maybe They would finally police other cops.
This is the first time I’ve heard this argument. It has potential.
Policing is a community... Make it so the community hurts when they allow bad cops to continue to police and you will see change.
I don’t hate this. There is a reason the market tends to solve problems better than government interference does.
You just blew my mind...
This is an amazing idea!
May I ask, where did you come up with this or hear about it?
It’s a great idea but there is a balance to be struck. We don’t want cops not taking appropriate action because they don’t want to get sued. Their needs to be a national standard or leadership academy. You don’t get to be a captain or higher unless you have graduated from the academy. Also, let’s enforce some physical fitness and political activity standards please.
Im a small business owner, i am latino, i am here on an "investor visa" that allows me to have my business here, the visa as it sits does not let me have a path to residency, i would like to have that option. I have been here for 5 years almost, i have traveled to the US for the last 30+ years, i love to live here, i appreciate the opportunities i have here, i pay taxes, i keep an orderly life and home, i want to succeed, not having a path to residency on a case like mine is one of the most unfair things there is, especially when people with a lot less qualifications than mine have a better chance towards residence than me. The system needs to be completely revamped and worked in favor of the people who contribute, and not so much the unlucky ones that just want to get in on a whim.
Definitely, US is dumb for turning away highly skilled tech workers and business people and college students. If they want to be successful here, keep em! Make some immigration laws, congress!
people like marjorie taylor green are the problem. we need people willing to work there is huge demand for workers. you should be allowed a green card and after 5 years citizenship if you want it. but americans are mostly selfish idiots when it comes to immigration..
Your problem is you are responsible and law abiding. Close your business and swim the Rio Grande
Follow My Countries laws!! Quit trying to change them to benefit you !! Why don't you put your business and law changing ambition into changing your own country then you wouldn't have to come to mine and tell us to change just for you !! There is a clear path for citizenship in this country you just don't want do it!!
@@wirelessuser4943 you need to reread what he just explained, he didn't say he came here illegally, he is following the rules exactly as it is written, but those coming across the border illegally have better chances, it seems, to path of citizenship under the Biden Administration, then someone coming in the legal route. He's been coming back and forth to the US for 30yrs under a visa to keep his business going, and pays his taxes in the US. Reread it again.
It defies the odds that 5 out of 5 officers partake in a crime if 99% of them are good.
Those who are given power over others tend to abuse that power.
It was illustrated in the Stanford Prison Experiment and the same thing appears to happen in policing.
Anarcho-communism is the only answer.
Unless you have actual consequences and fair investigations they have no reason to stop either.
The Stanford Prison Experiment has been debunked. Just google those words.
Black or white.
That prison experiment was terrible and not at all reliable.
At 2:06. The quality of the person (re. recruitment screening) is not the only issue. Even after rules and training, there is a police subculture which officers learn very early on in their field training. In Canada police colleges give only a few hours to ethics training, yet this is one of the most important area an officer needs for the job. A subculture that tells a new officer to not be a rat, go along with senior officer behavior, rewards arrests for serious offences over minor ones, and promotes an environment of stereotypes about minorities, the homeless and those with prior offences will always lead to bad outcomes.
And the fact that people in EVERY walk of life screw up and/or suck, more or less. No amount of training can rule human foible.
The quality of the officer that's the problem, not the training? Neither is the problem. It's the criminal's responsibility to comply, and they were never taught because of broken families and communities, lack of morality in their communities, and THEIR broken subculture. Our criminals in the USA are some of the worst, most violent, and most armed in the world. You can't compare our streets to a country like Germany in my opinion...
@@cajunyankee785 That is certainly true.
That's funny.. you think you can teach ethics in a classroom. You Canadians are adorable. You have em or you don't. There's horrible child molesting teachers, welders that are murderers, cops that might be dirty. There's nothing that's going to change human nature.. people suck that's just how it is
Yeah, bad horrible ethics culture, just like Trudeau's.
I spoke with the facilitator of an Implicit Bias training required by my government job. He said he trains LE across the country and he said many are resistant to the training.
"There's also a lot of brown and black . . . " "Yea, it's a made up white thing." That elicited a laugh from me, but I personally never considered it as such, yet it makes all the sense in the world. I hope I think before I ever again say "brown and black people, or people of color" and lump them all together. We seem to have this need for labels and to use them as shortcuts for blanket solutions that ignore the diversity that exists. Bravo sir for a great point well made.
White people say a lot of stupid shit. Republicans win in Florida because they gerrymander the state, have ads in Spanish on the radio and say the Democrats want to turn USA in to Venezuela. That's what the message was with that vote on Socialism in the House.
Close but the real point is race is not a thing at all. It is a made up label humans stick on each other. Ask any biologist.
Hahaha like white people are a monolith.
People use those terms for saying "non-white" while appearing nice, not for ignoring diversity. And it's not a white thing, as far as I can tell, it's a woke thing: lumping people together based on their race seems to be the priority of many self-proclaimed anti-racists of every race. As for our need to use labels and make generalizations, that's because that's what makes us human. The other option is sniffing specific things and grunting.
But it goes both ways. White people are not all the same, but get lumped together in this country.
Law enforcement needs to be reformed, period.
Yes. I do firmly believe that it's riddled with systemic racism... along with lack of accountability & lack of vetting system. 💯
5 black dudes beating another black dude. Blearly white racism at play. This is why even prominent liberals are not taking the race card seriously anymore.
Loved that last question🏆
Love the guy with the glasses lol.
I agree with Bill. Unless you know an actual percentage, don't give statistics like 99.5%. Just say most of the cops.
10 millions arrest a year in the USA, 0.5% of shitty cops, let's say 0.5% of the shitty cops arrest end badly, that's 252 times a year.
@@Tsagan What? Shitty cops? Let's say? Where do you get your statistics?
@@gregr3720 The point I was making is that even with extremely favorable statistic , you still get a lot of horrible result and That's what the police are being judged on.
" the world needs a good CNN" that's why Maher is the man, he'll say what's on his mind everytime, like Carlin used to, both national treasures
Mr. Somers!!! 💝 Wonderful teaching points...absolutely wonderful...🏆
If you don't get punished for doing wrong you will continue to do it, if there is no consequence for bad action it will continue to happen.
Bret Stephens kept it real. Can’t believe he’s conservative.
As real as his 99.5% police stat
@@shogreene9215 yeah.
The problem is when a rookie cop goes out with the veteran cop and learns all the wrong ways to be a cop
That’s usually how it goes…
The movie Colors says otherwise
Seen that first hand myself, the worst use the church to qualify there words and actions, the depraved con man's bible.
the trouble with deescalation training is that they are trained to de escalate everything but themselves
“Reptiles and invertebrates”classic Stephens line.
100% truth
Both parties have cults
end qualified immunity. Until they are held accountable for their actions and not the city/govt/taxpayer it will continue. They start out small and it escalates.
And lets do the same thing for PFIZER.....
We need to do more their unions a d the departments that rehire officers with histories of abuse in other departments. Make a culture where they won't just condition people to beat up and kill cause they scared
If you ended QI you wouldn’t have any police officers left. They would all quit. No cop is going to hire private attorneys and risk losing their house to be a police officer. Do you know how many frivolous bullshit law suits are filed against officers? The job wouldn’t be worth doing.
Complete revocation of qualified immunity runs the risk of police not acting with the necessary response in an emergency situation. There needs to be a balance between virtually complete unaccountability like we have now and accountability for every single reasonable mistake that’s bound to occur in the field.
So.....Basically you want the police abolished then? They have to have the ability to do things others cannot when needed to. Nobody wants them to get away with criminal acts.
It's not the individual, it's not the training, it's the power
All three of Bill's guests could teach me a lot!
Bill is so much better sober than on that “I wish I was Joe Rogan “ pod cast of his.
Theyre different content created for different purposes. He also doesnt get crazy high. He sips a drink and re-lights the same joint 500 times while taking 5 puffs.
Ewww... Rogan.
I am a fan of both Club Random and Real Time. Interesting to compare and contrast the two. On Club Random I've seen Bill's demeanor vary depending on who the guest is, the subjects they talk about, and how comfortable he is with them. I think that is part of its appeal. Lol
I agree. Bill can’t focus or listen very good on his podcast. Very annoying so I don’t follow it anymore.
In America, the amount of rounds cops fire is close enough to a war zone’s. In other developed states, it’s comparatively minuscule.
America is a COD level
well it depends on the city. places like baltimore have a lot of gang activity shooting up areas.
In Ontario, a potential constable must have one year of college training and a further year of training on the force as a minimum.
I have a better question for any potential cop, do you want to be a cop or do you want to play at being one?
Arrondondo was an excellent chief of police for Minneapolis. He inherited a long-standing, department of rural, racist, good ole boys who undermined him.
I agree as man whom has three generations of police officers in his family. it’s not the training but the person’s character.
Bret, excellent way of bringing back the past theme of "99.5 %" to end of the show using the double meaning of the name Rondo. Well played sir! Vindication was deserved.
Bret is just another establishment journalist that mostly spouts what his NYT advertises belive$. No wonder MSM is dying.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Overtime is actually the best segment on the show because during COVID they reduced it down to just bill and two guests, with limited back and forth. It's good when they get to start and continue a dialogue without Bill trying to dominate.
Well, Bill and guests and a bunch of audience members squealing, whistling, hooting, and applauding every sentence.
Without Bill trying to dominate? You mean HOST THE SHOW.
Honestly, it's like you don't understand the concept...
@@bipolarminddroppings hosting the show isn't constantly interrupting and talking over your guests. Or preaching on a soap box. I agree with the original poster that Bill can be obnoxious to his guests sometimes which is frustrating as I often want to hear what they were trying to say. More than once I have said out loud, "shut up Bill and let him finish!" Watch Michael Parkinson if you want a master class on how to host and let your guests shine.
“Don’t have that jumper”
Neither does Rajon Rondo 🤣
I love how he held on to that until the very end and threw it in Bill's face. Totally called for.
So it's not training - but then, if it's character, then it's recruitment. I checked the difficult to believe numbers from Germany - they're actually true, every single bullet fired gets investigated
I once went to cops because an ex (who is a body builder) had his hands around my throat. They believed HIM, (even though he served 13 yrs for aggravated assault in prison) over me. I'm sorry, but with that level of mysogyny and bad judgment, it's hard for me to agree that most cops are good. Yes, they need better training. I heard a video of the warrior cop training, and the man was literally telling them to be killers, to be murderers. That's not good training. Also - get rid of qualified immunity!!! Nobody should be above the law, and able to get away with every crime.
I'm sure that's the whole story.
He did 13 years before he had hands around your throat and they didn't believe you?
So mysogony is basically believe all women no matter what. Women are disgusting animals, especially American
Part of it may be police have to walk on eggshell partly because of the actions of other police officers if they put their hands around his throat he will sue and on body camera he will probably win I understand your concern but I believe the majority of them are good
Why were you with a guy who did 13 years for assault????
When someone says "latinos" share a culture, it's very obvious that they were born in the US. People from Latin America don't refer to themselves as latino generally speaking, and they don't view themselves as a shared culture. I think it's this tone-deaf idea that you can treat them as a monolith that's the problem, on top of the idea that you can be completely ignorant of general differences in Latin American cultures and also ignorant of what they actually care about. Lots of the Latin Americans who come here do so escaping a left-wing government. It doesn't mean that our left is like their left, but it's automatically going to make a large group of them against the left. So the fact that they don't even know what they care about or understand where anglo-American culture differs is just adding insult to injury.
What!!!! Most Latin countries don't have a mandatory education. The ppl that come here are escaping poverty, political corruption, a drug, cartel violent
culture, a conformist ( whatever) public that just wants to be entertained. Even when thy get here learning abt how it went wrong in their countries seems not important to them. What is important is the money honey ( gov $) thy can apply for here.
@@Teresa-yc7bn lo que digas
Whaaaaaat? They dont all refer to themselves as "latinx"?
Oh please. The average white person was listening, and they hear this so they don't care anymore. I'm 43. I was taught the terms African American, Caucasian and Asian on the Cosby show. Now I hear bs that I came up with African American to distance myself and I don't acknowledge unique Indian culture when I just say Asian. Then I was racist for coming up with Indian. I am trying to create division in Asian people. I'm evil for saying mena is white. It's a constant game and most people are sick of it. Every person has their own opinion and if you don't parrot that you are seen as a bigot. Which is funny because anyone born in the US is seen as a fake Latino/Hispanic/preferred term here by those born outside the US.
Calling someone Latino is the equivalent of being called European, Asian, African, etc. It's how humans group people together
Absolutely wonderful 👏👏
I have been watching real time/politically incorrect since the 90s. This was one of the best overtime segments ever. Definitely in top 10 because of Stephen's comments about "Latinos".
Apparently he doesn't understand that humans group people when describing them. It's something we've done for hundreds of thousands of years.
At McDonald's, you can get all the training that they offer. However if the culture within that McDonald's is to pick up a bun when it drops on the floor, and you get chastised you because you do not that, and if you do not fall in line with how everyone else is operating inside that McDonald's, you might actually lose work hours and support in the kitchen. So if you want to continue to make money, and in a reasonably safe environment, you best fall in line.
Shut up, McDonalds is the best
@@brandconceptmaps I love floor buns.
@@brandconceptmaps oh I definitely still eat there.
Yes, I agree with your analogy. That is it right there. It’s a whole culture.
Hell no! Apples and oranges!! The world has lost its mind!
“The police are getting the finest training”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA what great joke!!!!!!
yeah lol what a load of nonsense
@UnderWater Exploring
It wasn’t as funny as when he said “you should eat something” but it was funny,
Thank you, Bret Stephens. I come from a Mexican-Am family, and I had family members vote for Biden and Trump. The younger people are more liberal, but after covid that changed as the Dems were doing all the mandates laws in Ca and I definitely rebelled against that.
In Europe you have 4 years of training. A lot of de-escalation training. And they filter out the crazies and the rambo’s out
ruclips.net/video/am9BqZ6eA5c/видео.html
Great conversation and finally someone says out loud it’s not the quality of the training, focus on the quality of the individual who’s wearing the uniform (my interpretation- pay them more and attract a different type of person to the force)
Yea, so do away with the qualified immunity and adopt an individual insurance model like any other profession. I mean doctors aren't shielded and neither are house painters so what makes cops special. Let their record weed out the bad ones very quickly instead of taxpayers covering their asses.
Batgurrl, some cops in Cali are already making $300k and up with benefits! How much more do you want to give these GOONSQUAD members? They already feel ridiculously ENTITLED and NARCISSISTIC!
Give me a break!
The solution is clearly the removal of Qualified Immunity. Every other reform happens AFTER they’re required to be ACCOUNTABLE for their f_ck-ups!
It's the way they are recruited, the way they are formed, the missions that are given to them, the way those services are structured up to the way they are named.
"Scorpion", seriously...
And why does the US police has so much military stuff ? Because it was a ploy of the Pentagon to spare money by "giving" its cold war arsenal to the police forces. But a paramilitary militia with bradley IFVs and "robocop" disguised SWAT teams is absolutely unable to do a police job. What it can do is occupy a territory. Act like Tsahal in the Occupied Territories. Give a hammer to a man, and, for him, everything around him will look like a nail.
A police force should look and act like the idealized UK bobbies (idealized, because the met has its own problems, particularly with the way it treats women), not like special forces on a battle field.
I've seen any number of ex cops talk about how it is indeed the training. Not all cops go to the same training centers but I've seen interviews where people who attended the academies gave example after example of how escalating violence was taught, and when the trainee suggested it wasn't the best thing to do in these situations, they were just brow beaten until they shut up.
Training is part of it. In some places, typically large cities, there is better training but in smaller areas with little money, training is often very limited.
The larger problem as I see it, is cultural. Street cops very often stick together and stick by each other no matter what because they believe that the only ones they can trust are each other. They believe the upper ranks and their political masters are too anxious and eager to stab them in the back and sell them out for doing their jobs.
This gets around and when you combine it with a steady drumbeat of "defund" and "abolish" and with DAs like Gascon and Boudin who essentially want to legalize crime, over time this will push the good people out of the force and prevent other good people from applying.
You can't overcome this with money. You can double their pay and it still won't keep good people in the ranks. Would you take a job like that in that kind of environment where your superiors were speaking out against you daily? I sure as hell wouldn't.
In most of the world, police officers get the equivalent of a 3-year/4-year BA degree.
In the US, average police training takes 25 weeks.
So yes, it is the training.
I think a big part of the problem is simply that the types of people who want to become cops, are not the kinds of people who should be cops.
That’s a recruiting problem, and I’m not sure how do you solve that.
Within the police forces across the country resides the largest most dangerous gang in America. Those who turn a blind eye are just as culpable. End QI to start with.
Union's have a lot to do with the corruption, because they and there family members bring there own bag of tricks into policing, most of them like to "retire" to Florida.
Gore Vidal said Amerian law enforcement comes from the criminal class.
By which he certainly meant ethnics rather than pseudo-elite WASPs like himself and his friends.
I miss the old opening, “start the clock”
He actually does have his jumper. Rondo famously a great player despite not being able to hit the broad side of a barn 😂
Exactly what I was thinking when he made that joke😂 I’m willing to bet I have a better jumper than Rondo
I wish one day, I can watch an American talk show without the endless whooping and cheering.
Its a bit too clear that $$ are spent on the whooper people
@@clarkpalace it's really irritating and at times difficult to follow the discourse. Pity
Were you born in 2021?
and this show is the worst !! it's those 'uneducated' people maher always ragging on ....
@@Pugetwitch to whom is your question directed to?
Anger! Officers angry at those who drive reckless, endangering the public health of others. Angry at an inefficient judicial system that slaps the hands of offenders. Anger that manifest itself in vigilante style judgment. A story retold so many times!
Once shooting begins, it doesn't stop until ammunition is exhausted because the training teaches to execute, not to disable. The training teaches that if the shooting stops early, and the suspect is able to do harm to anyone or anything, that the officer will be held accountable for not finishing the job.
When people realize that it is the bad apples that rule the police force!
America is made of people that were unwanted in their home country. Most Americans were deported from elsewhere because they were crazy, lazy, violent, drunkards, bastards, vagrants, and poor. Africa sold their convicts, insane, and conquered into slavery. Americans are not easy to police because they are defective.
Yep, the politicians and judges are the corrupt ones and it trickles down to the police. I have a friend of a friend who was a state cop who had to quit because someone in public office threatened his family if he didn’t go along with some corruption. Turning people against the police is a distraction from the policymakers who are actually the ones at fault.
Right? The SCORPION squad existed with the full knowledge and consent of the entire police department's leadership.
The fact that they thought a SCORPION squad would be a good thing - knowing their tactics - shows just how evil these people are.
@@norezenable Brought to you by a black woman that was released from another police department in the past. Single mom's destroy societies.
So many apples, you might consider culling the tree.
Wow, that Ruben Gallego guy never shuts up and constantly interrupts.
I’m not at a fan of Republicans but Gallego is not helping the Dems cause in any way.
Oh, stop it, I did not find him all that bad. I'm thinking you have an agenda here. And that goes for all of the commenters in this thread.
He's running for Senate in 2024, so he's trying to get all the attention/publicity he can. So he doesn't care if he talks over people or is obnoxious. H
It doesn't help that Bill keeps talking over any guest that disagrees with his takes.
@@GoblinGirl So what? He is certainly not the first person that Bill has had on his show that has done that.
Regarding the training (and roping in Bill's reference to Germany) cops in Germany have like a 3 year training before they even start working
Latinos are not the monolitic people. Also, many americans forget that many hispanic contries are VERY conservative too.
The percent of good cops is the same percentage of good people in general. They are ordinary humans like all of us. The uniform doesn’t change a person’s character. The person has to change the character of the uniform.
Yes. Too many departments hire people with the wrong attitude about policing-if you want to arrest people, in the wrong job. That’s like wanting to teach in order to give out Fs as a corrective.
Are you kidding me, plenty of sick fucks gravitate to the position of power of least resistance.
This guy wants to act like it's not the training lol. You send cops to guys who tell them just unload and the union will protect you.
Lol you dont kmow how wrong you are...and we are getting ride of god in this country for me,me,me, I,I,I what quality people are left?
That was pretty good!
As usual many hard hitting questions and like usual important debates
If the training is not the problem then the hiring process is. They should have psychological tests that checks a candidate's ego, temperment and possible anger issues,
There’s already psychological testing for police candidates
@@msnewsenior it must not be adequate
I think you are on to something: the training of those that hire them may be a core issue. That points at leadership though and police procedures and upper management are most definitely not the problem *cough cough*
They keep lowering the requirements because the people who would be good at the job understandably do not want the job. Where else can you get hired and day one be labeled a racist and have people trying to throw you in jail for doing your job?
@@analyticalmind4493 What other occupation can you be a straight up racist or break the law and get rehired?
"It's not the training, it's the character of the individual."
If ADT security guards started killing people in the numbers of the police, ADT would get shut down, and there would be new laws written to curb the ADT guys. Why is ADT more responsible for the actions of their employees than police forces?
" Whoever wants power should not have it. Whoever should have power likely doesn't want it."
ADT are not faced with intervention and arrest authority among defective Americans. Four hundred years of the world deporting their problems to America is coming home to roost.
@@andrewmclaughlin2701 what is a "defective American?"
All. Europe did not send their best. Africa did not sell their best.
@@hc3657 ((4% of the human race is sociopath) + (world has deported their sociopaths to America)) * (400 years)/(USA population is 4.25% of Earth) = Americans are the problem, not the police
@@hc3657 Not confused, just realist
Note that a typical session of police academy in the United States is purportedly one semester long.
If it’s not the training but the character, then the issue is the quality of hiring.
No Bill, the training of police officers is good ... and like Arradondo said .. it comes down to the individual .... I did 22 years in law enforcement ... I did what I was trained to do and if I was at a scene where an officer I was assigned with to work with started to go off base, I'd stop that officer right in his/her tracks, which happened twice in my 22 year career. Both of those times I told those officers this - "You ain't fucking up my pension!! So back the F'k off!!" See, I remember what my father told me, do the job the way they trained you to do it. In my 22 years I told my fellow officers that I wasn't going to let anyone F'k up my pension, meaning I'm making sure the job is done the way its supposed to be done. See cause those officers, whom over all the years that have disrespected, violated the citizens rights NEVER thought about what goes around comes around aspect. Meaning, how would they like it if an officer "tuned up" their child or relatives for the hell of it? I did the job the way it supposed to be done, as Arradondo said "it comes down to the individual" to uphold the law!!!
Wow what a high bar….don’t be a monster so I can earn my pay check and still not contribute any good to society 😂
How many Americans know that the largest country in Latin America doesn't speak Spanish? 😂
bet you maher doesn't either ... so much for cornell history major ...
@@direwolf6234 Maher surprises me sometimes w/ his literal lack of general knowledge.
Orderm do progresso muito obrigado
99.5percent
I wonder how many people know that Mexico is in North America
I had a conversation with a police officer on police use of force on a college campus where I was working. He was honest. 85% of the time when they got physical on campus it is a person with mental health issues. I offered to teach the officers how to restrain people in a way that was safe for the perp and the officer for free...Forty years of martial arts training. I was told no. The techniques which were not working (I watched their video footage) were approved techniques, and there would be liability issues if they did something different. Second, I asked Bill's question with something added, "Why do they always shoot for center mass even when the action is slow and a leg shot would stop the perp and why so many bullets?" Answer, "Every round that misses is a liability issue, so it is safer to shoot for the center." Dead folks don't do lawsuits? So, no they are not getting the best training around and the criteria for their training is based on fear of legal action.
“Focus on the quality of individual wearing the uniform.”
Mandatory PSYCHE EVALUATIONS for every cop cadet, and required, recurrent Constitutional training for those who graduate the f_cking Academy!
the fake audience is painful.
It’s not a fake audience. You see the audience when he opens his show.
I had to pass a 500 question psychological exam just to be allowed into a Brinker International restaurant management training program (Chili's). My management training program was 3 times longer than the typical police officer's training. I think we need both, psychological quality of candidates and much better training.
@@russellfink8091 ...hah hah! Most police departments literally set a maximum IQ for applicants because if they are too smart, they won't follow illegal commands.
Based upon your response, you wouldn't pass as a dishwasher for Brinker. Dude, you can't even fu**ing SPELL Chili's...roflmao! Cops take no tests and I've watched half a dozen buddies who couldn't graduate high school either join the marines or become a cop, where zero brains are required. You'd fit right in...🤣
@@russellfink8091 ...you couldn't even fu**ing SPELL Chili's....roflmao! Thanks for playing!
@@russellfink8091 ...nope, you don't even need a high school diploma to be a cop yet only one in a hundred pass the Brinker Psych test. I'd bet you $10,000 right now you could never get hired just by your posts...;)
They fire the whole magazine cause dead is cheaper then injured/paralyzed.
Well.. with a little luck, we won't need to deal with any of this for much longer. C'moooon asteroid! 🤞
Yeah... I know..
* looks to the ground sheepishly and kicks the dirt. *
A man can dream, though...
If you attend any gun safety class, they typically teach you to continue firing until you've eliminated the threat. That "shooting to wound" nonsense only happens on tv and in the movies. You aim center mass because you're less likely to miss hitting your target. But I definitely agree that the de-escalation tactics [at least judging from the Tyre Nichols incident] are not being utilized at all.
Exactly. unlike the movies, one bullet doesn't bring a person down.
Stephens, if he were half way numerate, would realize that 1 in 200 cops being morally and professionally incapable of malfeasance is absurd given the evidence of Minneapolis (1 killer; 4 watchers), Memphis (5 killers; 2 dissemblers about what happened), Baltimore (5 indicted for murder of one suspect), Louisville (one convicted of reckless endangerment) and so many others. It's not just the individual perpetrators of these crimes, but their enablers (the thin blue line in nearly its entirety) that are less than honorable.
Great show
Nice to see Stephens bring back that "good cop" thing at the end. I mean a chief of police could actually quantify that in some manner if he wanted to. He knows the percentage of cops on PIPs or who get fired or who are stuck on desk duty or whose actions resulted in a lawsuit to the city or whatever other metric. Or if he doesn't then he's not doing his job. It would have been nice to press him for an answer on that.
Nah he just sounded like a sore loser who rightfully got called out for being inarticulate with a statistic he pulled out of his ass. If he said what Medaria, Bill wouldn’t have called him out on that BS.
@@GnomesRox Yeah, but it's not just him that says that. I mean we hear made-up stats like that every time this issue comes up. It would be nice for someone with inside information to come up with an educated guess.
@@ISpitHotFiyaa Because of the lack of standardization in reporting requirements and and enforcement, accurate reporting would be highly suspect and probably undercounted. It's also incredibly hard to prove misconduct, especially when there's a culture of DAs and a community of the blue protecting their own.
Even in my own county, files were mysteriously missing when investigators tried to find out patterns in complaints and corruption, and found out that they were destroyed years before.
Cops aren't kept accountable and the idea that someone would be that gutsy to just say 99.5% of cops are good when I don't even believe 99.5% bakers, teachers, or doctors are good, EVEN if the vast majority are, just shows how warped of a perception people like Brett have. How anyone can saw what happened during the George Floyd protests nation wide and still pull out such ah high number is someone that is delusional.
Firing the whole clip has always bothered me. As a hunter, you learn/train to make 1 shot so the job/suffering is over as fast a possible, and humans are in fact animals.
Because deer aren't high on adrenaline coming at you with the intention to kill. If you're in a life or death scenario 1 bullet might not be enough to stop someone
Hunting Deer and getting into a shootout with a human are two different things. Also deer can’t shoot back.
@@TWE_2000 that's the training, yes.
shoot until the target goes down.
the problem is they shoot way too many targets that are not targets.
because too many cops are panicky with itchy trigger fingers.
arguably they are more animalistic than the wildlife traditionally hunted.
Ask any non special forces who have been in combat. Under intense stress, you don't realize how many shots you are firing when you get scared for your life.
Training doesn't matter oftentimes when the majority of people attracted to policing are bullies, racists, abusers, fascists etc .. That's always been the Prime Element Policing Attracts.
The echo chamber is strong with this panel.
99.5%? And said it with a straight face. Ran away from it with his final words, though.
Bs talking points loses it relevance overtime
Congrats Bill on the CNN deal!! 👏👏
both stations/shows are owned by the same company. Less a deal than a reallocation of resources
“When they air your show on CNN, you know you’ve made it!”
-Nobody, ever
@@afridgetoofar1818 ok Brian griffin
@@blackscreenstories3704 ok Brian Stelter
@@afridgetoofar1818 keep painting your face Arthur Fleck so you can dance down the steps for all of us
Love the way he pronounced Reuben
I was so happy when Rondo agreed to take over the Minneapolis police department. I am happy with his past and present leadership. I understand why he didn't stay because fighting this police union and contract is very difficult but I wish he would have stayed. He is a wonderful person.
I throw my vote to Gallego for being one of the least interesting guest I've seen on Real Time. He basically repeated everything Bret said about immigrants and seemed to have long winded comments that left me thinking...What?
Bret was spot on about everything he said about Latinos, about them being from different places and cultures, but Gallego needs them to be a monolithic voting block for him to be successful, so you could tell he didn't like what was said. Bret completely dunked on Gallego and it was fully deserved.
I think he was even worse if you watched the whole of Real Time. Wouldn't shut up, lots of Blah blah blah.
Gallego is just another Soros funded progressive - just spews out typical activist talking points
@@normabaker5837 Exactly kept interrupting everyone with no real answers of substance
Ruben acted like the Democrat's version of Darrell Issa: Representing and reiterating the dumb Democratic position of the moment, throwing in the the odd "we need to do better" comment here and there. Ruben was a bit more annoying because he interrupted all the time and mumbled along in the background. Bret handed him his ass on a number of points.
I’d be interested in a discussion of robots as police.
They have Robot police but they generally deliver a package that has one helluva boom.
You should watch the movie "Chappie" first then we'll talk
Nah. We don't want them.
Robots won't just brutalized the black community alone like the regular cops. They will come for all humans
I suggest all US police should read Sir Terry Prachetts Guards Guards series for starters .. lots of great advice on why being a cop is being a "Public Servant" .. and also the inclusion of trolls in the police force!
Start taking a percentage of police misconduct legal settlements, out of the police pension funds. Perhaps that will force a bit of professionalism...
Perhaps?
Glad to see that you're still on RUclips, great show tonight.
You're doing well, because everybody is picking on you in the independent media, keep them on their toes!
Still on youtube? he's been there for years, they aren't complaining.
@@PtolemyCeasar Well, with "everyone" i mostly meant the Left leaning side of it, as the Right has been picking on him for longer than that already.
But yeah, "still" on RUclips, because i wasn't sure if CNN was going to make Overtime exclusive only to CNN and not also have it on RUclips, glad that that wasn't the case ..
Hi Bill - huge fan of the show. Been watching for years. Please don’t bring actively running/serving politicians onto the panel discussion. They don’t really contribute to the discussion, nor Are they really interested in an in-depth discussion of the issues. They use your show as a PR opportunity for all their slogans and cliché rhetoric.
If you Must, at least bring them on as the early guest so they can get their moment in the sun before we turn to the actual conversation.
Love the show. 👏🏼
I think he should bring them on because it gives a public a chance to view a bit of their personality and I think Bill usually at least gets a pretty good idea of where politicians stand on social issues.
@@Pugetwitch so, read my comment again. As I said, bring them on for the first bit’s personal interview. Then have discussion section free of their BS.
Bill is provoking but he will not invite people outside the establishment to raise serious systematic criticisms that can rock the nice comfortable boat he's on. Sad to say this is the most pushback on a mainstream level we are getting
Like bill is gonna read this comment lol
@@julessaviour5931 Good point lol