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Shocker, no one wants overpriced phones on wheels.
I got a microwave at home for $20 I don’t need to drive around in one for 60 grand 😂
I only like Model Y and my fam schedule finally changed and I don't have to drive long distances. I'm considering because I don't want to deal with regular car maintenance and have no issues putting a charger in my garage. But, I'm concerned about insurance and interior space because I have 3 growing kids. Not sure if it makes sense for me - also I generally keep my cars for as long as I can.
@@Matt_Kbut you are dealing with with unrepairable batteries and electric motors, that’s exactly what manufacturers want
@@Matt_K I just start leasing a Toyota BZ4X, traded in my 2017 Lincoln MKZ. My insurance went down. Did you call your insurance and see what the price change would be? As for a vehicle for a growing family, have you considered a Toyota Sienna? A friend has one and him and his wife love it.
@@Matt_K you are one in a few that fit the lifestyle. EVs make sense in cities as they can save you money on gas and maybe some repairs. Otherwise, that’s the only advantage they really have, lol.
I wouldn’t buy one because they are overpriced, work from home, and no kids. I’ll stick to my RAV4 and Camaro 🫡🇺🇸🦅
Plus, I must have a V8. No EV can replace that feeling.
I want an EV truck but I'm not paying $80k for an F-150 lightening OR an $80k ICE F150. The price is too damn high, regardless of propulsion tech.
You can get lariat lightning for $45k
cybertruck
Why - it will not do what a gas truck can do. Why I'm serious I'm curious.
The Rivian truck looks nice. Price way down on used as he says
Why would you want something that can't even do what a base model truck can do
I think the politicians wanted the people to love EVs but the people said no. Imagine that. Government distorting a market and it doesn’t end well.
remember the ethanol boondoggle - they said corn juice was temporary and that "biomass" or sawgrass was the future - they LIED, not one plant used biomass or sawgrass even tho at least one fraudulently claimed it did even tho discredited ethanol persists by gov mandate and costs more than the petroleum used to make it and it still ruins engines and actually increases pollution
I think it's a combination of some politicians sabotaging the EV market and Tesla treating their car prices as if they're in a yard sale.
People haven't said no. EV adoption is still increasing year over year. 😂
@@Freerider93 stalled and reversing Europe has shown that when you take away incentives the EV sales crash w/o mandates EVs aren't the future because they are inferior in too many ways the more people learn, the worse it is for EV boondoggle
@@stanmarcusgtv Bro, you can't stop the future. All cars in Europe have to be EV by 2035. The industry will continue to grow because governments are too invested. By 2030 1 in 3 cars will be EV globally. America can either get with the program or not dominate the future.
It sounds like the people upset are the ones who are trying to sell after a year or 2 of ownership 😂
In EV friendly China when the battery dies they get rid of the entire car. No one puts in a replacement battery and there are acres of dead EVs in like new condition sitting in lots in China!
Nothing brings me more joy than watching EV sales in the gutter. Especially all the propoganda about how they are not harmful to the environment.
It's kinda weird this brings you joy. What you term "propaganda" is really just your own projection and bias. No one said EVs were not bad for the environment. The goal is to reduce the overall amount of carbon in our air. EVs are only 1 part of that process. The other part is expanding renewable and nuclear energy in our power grid. You can do one without the other and we have to do both at the same time. It's like you're so blinded by negativity you can see reality.
@@Freerider93😂😂😂😂😂
@@Freerider93 Personal vehicles only account for about 7% of total global emissions. This EV thing is way overblown and was shoved down everybody's throat by the Biden administration. And as long as you are willing to strip mine the planet for lithium and the like, please don't preach to us about the effing environment. EVs are overpriced golf carts that have a limited battery life. Nobody is going to want a 5-6 year old used EV knowing they will probably need to replace that huge battery for thousands of dollars in a couple of years.
The EV cultists refuse (i.e., willful ignorance) to acknowledge the vehicles' non-exhaust particulate matter emissions...notwithstanding the charging stations generate power via unicorn flatulence.
🤣🤣🤣
I will stick with my trusty ICE
You may not have a choice. BEVs will be gone in a couple years.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q We will all be gone within a few years. The same globalists perpetuating the EV crusade are the same ones that are going to elicit nuclear war.
Unfortunately no one has money for Ev’s and luxury cars. We need dependable economy cars. We need to repeal the chicken tax so we can get the hilux champ in this country
Yea EVs are mostly outside of the average persons price tier.
Ahhh I see you are a man of culture as well. The chad Hilux enjoyer who watches Fat Electrician, nice.
King of the Comment Section right here 👍
If anyone thinks Ford GM or VW cares(gas) about the average person just look through their compensation packages. They will squeeze you for all you’re worth while actually thinking 100+k$ is affordable. I guess it is when you make 20-30million.
You can pick up a used tesla model s/x for 10 - 20k. I wouldn't use it for road trips but it's a great commuter car.
I don't have to go to the gas station, take it in for oil changes. I charge at home. It by no means saves money but not having to go to a gas station saves time. Hopefully within 10 years they have a more economical way to fix/replace batteries.
I also have a huge SUV for anything that the electric vehicle can't handle.
Bottom line. If it's your only car .... don't buy an electric one. But it does make a great commuter car.
Makes sense…but when I buy a car I drive it until the wheels fall off. The market value doesn’t matter to me.
Tires fall off pretty quick and they cost twice as much as regular tires. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
You'll care if that car is in a wreck and the payout is $15,000 less than what you owe. Unless you've got $15,000 out of pocket.
People are dumb to think that buying a car is an investment.
Literally nobody says that. 😂😂
Well the creator of the video did say that. He said he bought 3 model 3’s from hertz to flip at auction but was only able to break even due to the prices dropping so quickly. Buying and selling cars in hopes to make a profit is a type of investment.
Hey, Musk said Tesla cars are an appreciating asset → ruclips.net/video/0nq8C-z88RE/видео.htmlsi=frYwHFkAqMICBQRw&t=94
I you must get an EV, which is not a great idea anyway, then you must lease it unless you want to get absolutely mauled on the drop in value.
Exactly my man exactly
Hybrid is the way to go. The Toyota and Honda hybrids are getting almost 50 mpg! The range is 500-600 miles on a tank. No plug in charging necessary. And you can just press a button and use battery only for quick short trips up to the store. This actually makes sense!
HAHAHAHHAHAHAH...the Geo Metro gets 44mpg and it was built almost 30 years ago. Hybrid...don't be a tool.
@@MoragTong_how many people does your Geo 3 cylinder carry?
the advantage of a BEV is that it has almost 0 maintenance. Hybrids still have an engine, plus a battery. You still have to deal with maintenance that you don't need to deal with on EVs. I own a tesla and the only maintenance I've done in 2 years is cabin air filter & tires.
@@Hisma01 VERY EXPENSIVE TIRES! LOL
@@Hisma01not true! Service director at a dealership here, EVs have more issues than their gasoline counterparts, repair costs are substantially higher, parts supply is worse and repair times longer. True it doesn’t have oil or spark plugs, but the things that break on cars generally aren’t the engine itsself, and EVs still have everything else
It was easy to see. When you need the government to give you a tax credit of over $7k to buy a product that means said product is not good and people won't buy it unless they getting paid to buy it.
The reason the government is discounting the tech is because China has a monopoly on the raw materials to make EVs. It reduces the price Chinese companies pay and increase the price other companies outside of China pay.
If you're upside down with your vehicle it means you couldn't afford it in the first place
Not sure what you mean... I'm upside down on a cruze I bought 2 years ago.... It's not that I couldn't afford it, I could just pay it off right now.. But I'm still really upside down on it, like 6k upside down...
Exactly plus if you’re worried about depreciation don’t buy a car . Cars are not assets unless you use them mainly for work
Couldnt put down 30% upfront, because it’s losing most of that when you drive it off, and if you paid over msrp these last years, it was even higher a percentage.
@@vladalucardtepes yes they are assets. Depreciating assets but assets none the less.
Not always. Being upside down on a vehicle loan is not an issue until and unless the person is selling or trading the vehicle.
Hey Lucky, I'm a Vegas local, just wanted to share something on the topic of Tesla.
At Sahara and Mcleod across the street from United Nissan, that giant old Kmart and parking lot is now a dumping ground for Teslas. I thought they were stocking up for a big season, but maybe they can't sell them, or they are stockpiling them for some other reason but they are packed in there.
Just thought I would share.
When to the next city where I live to the Ghetto should be torn down mall, TONS of Model Y's sitting in a unsecured parking lot.
They ran out of suckers moving here from California.
who thought price gauging ur most enthusiastic loyal customers for 2 years and screwing resell value- putting them in upside down auto debts for a decade will reduce returning-demand.
Its a dumping ground of unsellable cars, and many have appeared all over the country.
@@mikemccormick8115 Bunch of Ford junk that is expensive to fix and has little to no resale value.
Governments will tax the ice cars to $4000 each to give it to each EV buyers.
Rip the poors to give to the richs who can afford those toys.
Even if they do that your still better off buying ICE since you will lose a ton more depreciation on the EV. The Gov can't tax their way out of this problem. They have no business screwing with the free market. Its only going to cost them more votes in the end. Even the Rich don't like losing money. EV is in a downward spiral.
The feds have no business subsidizing these monstrosities. Once again we the people are being ripped off by our masters.
The rich didnt get the tax break.
just like they do with solar panel tax credits.
They don't need to. In countries that aren't the USA they have Chinese EVs for as little at 10k. The USA has to tax Chinese EVs 100% to prevent the US auto industry from going bankrupt.
Today Tyler Hoover was talking about lots full of Teslas that aren't sold. It was on his good morning RUclips channel.
Link?
That's not how Tesla delivery centers work.
@alexanderkennedy2969 Tesla is not selling every one. That have lots full of *unsold* *cars* .
This is great news for me. I love my EV. So the lower prices go, the more options I have to choose from 🙂
Yeah, I could use an ev based on my driving. They are great in certain situations. Hanging on to my paid off ‘13 Honda with under 100k miles on it tho’.
Yeah but the lower the new EV prices go the less you'll get back at re-sale time. It's called depreciation, a negative, not a positive thing at all.
Some of you may have seen this. I caught a RUclips video last week about this EV repair shop in Washington State (I think that is the number one EV adoption State). He has over 300 EV there, literally acres.
What’s the name of the shop?
Washington has so many EVs because Gov. Enslee is a POS and pushed a carbon tax on us that increased the state government budget by 1.3 billion dollars, but hasn't done sh$t to lower CO2 emissions.
Why doesn’t he repair them?
It’s probably one of the very few EV repair shops in the state. If you add up all gas cars in repair shops for the state, you might count 100,000 cars or more.
@@torsten6777 Is this a trick question? How many cars can one or two people repair? That is not even counting the incredible long lead time for EV parts. If you just search for auto mechanics shortage here, you can see how serious a problem we are facing. This is just ICE. The video I watched, the owner pointed to an EV and said this woman drove her EV up from Oregon to visit her daughter and the car wouldn't charge anymore. He checked the EV out and told the woman she will need new battery, which will run her about $18K plus lead time. She said you can have it, I am getting another car. The owner said he has quite a few of those in the lot.
Locally they are being abandoned in large numbers at EV repair shops when they get their repair estimates.
Gasoline cars also get abandoned at mechanic shops due to repairs people can’t afford lol.. if you drive any car 100k+ Miles it comes to a point where it may not be worth fixing
Unless you do your own work tools, a garage and time, it’s going to cost you to repair anything. Possibly if you have a warranty the repairs work out, but as soon as that warranty ends you better have the cash to pay for repairs.
Congress needs to completely overhaul the Cafe standards. It was intended to improve gas mileage but they left the loophole for bigger cars; so now giant, expensive vehicles are all that anyone makes. Most of us want small inexpensive cars and trucks that get great gas mileage.
I'd be fine with CAFE standards if they included trucks, and if that makes large trucks twice as expensive, that's fine, that extra money can go into developing additional small cars.
@@saeedhossain6099 They do apply CAFE standards to truck, that's where the small trucks disappeared. Longer wheelbase and wider tracks became the only way to meet MPG standards.
I never understood why people here in the midwest would ever buy an EV. Over the winter some people couldn't even start those cars because of the cold.
Because "cars not starting due to extreme cold" only lasted 3 days. 4 max. The cars run just fine the rest of the year and save owners a LOT of money. This is why every fifth car you see here in Chicago suburbs is an EV. Midwesterners are smart!
not only their poor performance in the cold, EVs are unreliable and cost more to own as for people in IL, the smart people have left or are leaving the state
@JasbirSingh-zj1fg, I can tell you aren’t originally from the Midwest, or at least have only ever lived in urban centers. If you can’t use your vehicle, that is a life-threatening situation to people in rural communities. A vehicle is a tool that must be relied upon to work everytime it is called on. To you, it is just something that gets you to the office or Starbucks, to us it is the only physical connection to the outside world. EVs suck and only Tesla fanboys disagree.
@@jamessmith8480 I wish people would stop over-dramatizing. Guess what, people have miatas and other convertibles for summer toys, and schlepping around town running errands. EVs are fine as the third vehicle in the family, or as a toy. They are torquey little devils, fun to zip around. They are "smarter" (you can preheat/precool your car before getting in, you can leave your pooch in the car using "pet" mode, etc). They just can't be the _only_ vehicle in the family. The only real problems with them are the price and (ironically) unrepairability. Charging is a distant third, but worth keeping in mind too. If they were priced as disposable cars ($5k new) -- they'd be an instant everlasting hit.
@@JasbirSingh-zj1fg bruh thats bullshit
I want hybrids.
Electric motor up front that gives you crazy acceleration up to 40mph, then from 40 to 60 things are mixed to 60 mph, and then from 60-80mph your all on gas sipping fuel from a 1.0 liter 4 cylinder. You dont need a ton of power above 60mph which means you can have a small motor out back. This also means you dont need a massive heavy pack you only need a pack that has a 40 mile range. That is 40 miles around town. Outside of town on the highway mileage is all on gasoline with that tiny fuel sipping engine.
You gain mileage above 60mpg, 0-60 acceleration under 5 seconds(all electric) closer to a daily acceptable 8 seconds mixed. You can have all your EV features like electric regenerative breaking and things like crash avoidence. but the best thing is you never need to plug in ever. Now if you wanted you could make it a choice. But out on the highway all your highway breaking will be done with regen as the front breaks are mounted to the front motor proving a majority of the breaking. This means if you travel 30 miles on the highway and lets say 5 miles of that is down hill you could potentially regenerate a good amount of the pack to then use that regenerated electric during the average 5 or so miles of a 35 mile commute(one way)off highway.
It is no secret ev's do horribly at higher speeds and they also hate the cold. So you throw a small engine in the back of the car which drives the back wheels through a simple cvt 2 speed that only needs gearing to go from 60-80mph (on its own)doing things like keeping the pack's temperature happy, and letting the electric do all the heavy torque jobs while that 1.0 4 cylinder can provide all the light work while the electric motor rest.
From a sports car perspective no one is taking a note from what indy car has been doing for years. By using hybrids they have essentially allowed to have a few seconds of electric "boost". With the hybrid shown above you could also have that electric boost above say 80% throttle for that quick pass before dropping back into gas sipping mode as you coast really only needing a very bit of horsepower to maintain your speed.
This might sound over complicated. But its really not. This gives us time to build the proper infrastructure. This will get people interested in partial electric. This will save on both fuel and resources leading to a drop in entry cost for these hybrids.
You can buy that 25mpg all gas car or you can buy the 60mpg hybrid that has better acceleration and fewer moving parts in the engine and transmission. Because the pack is smaller the cost to replace it is substantially less. Because it is a hybrid that pack will also last longer.
We could have kept moving forward with hybrid tech but everyone jumped on the full EV trend and now full gas is the current trend while the mix of the two has been forgotten.
Well said and Toyota has been screaming this for years. I believe that you both are correct.
Hybrid is the answer! Sign me up!
Agreed. I currently own 3 Toyota hybrids for over 10 years now and have had ZERO major issues with all of them (2nd gen Prius, CT200h, and a Prius V). Two of them over 250k miles with no major issues, the 3rd one just passed 103k.
No worries about range anxiety, expensive replacement parts, and Toyota hybrids lasts about 26% longer than the tradional similar ICE model (motor is less used, regenerative brakes, no drive belts, simpler CVT trans, etc).
Hybrids are way cheaper to maintain and the tech has been around for over 20 years with a proven reliability track record.
With gas prices increasing, and the EV infrastructure not there, hybrids will continue to be the best choice for consumers who want the best of both sides.
The all-gas car will get better mileage without all the extra weight of batteries and motors.
@@user-jb2om7cm8m i drive a 91 metro back and forth to work. One of my 5 rides. 50hp 3 cyl gets 40-47 mpg depending on where I shift and how fast I drive.
The thing has no issue going above 70mph but does take 9-12 seconds to get up to 60mph.
A electric motor, roughly 300lb modern battery pack, and controller would greatly improve acceleration and lessen the gas engine load increasing mileage overall.
Why have I not done it? Well the electric motor makes more sense up front to do more of the breaking. The gas motor out back keeps things compact and simple.
For me to reengineer the car would be expensive and time consuming. Plus the smaller pack would need to basically be built by me. Lots of hurdles to do it on your own. But if a company released a 60mpg hybrid car tomorrow that could go 0-60 in 5.2 seconds for 35k I would be there.
EV infrastructure isn’t there and along with me not feeling good about it I bought a nice ice 2024 Chev diesel duramax! And I love it !
That will be dead in sub 100k miles. Those new trucks are literal trash.
@@Jimster481 Don't think so. Just sold my 2016 Chevrolet PU, 117K miles, $20,000 cash, to a wholesaler. And he plans to make profit on it, too. 🤷♂
All I know in So Cal everyone seems to be driving a Tesla so someone is buying them.
people are upside-down stuck in EVs with $40K loan balances on cars worth $20K. Think they'll buy another after this?
The reason they buy Tesla in So Cal cuz gas price is ridiculous. Compare that to where gas price is normal and see the numbers, the people use their brain
@alexanderkennedy2969yea if NY gas price is 2-3$ a gallon 😅😂
@alexanderkennedy2969 And won't be able to sell them.
Here in NorCal you see a whole bunch of them at every single intersection. Tesla is definitely the best selling car up here. Every owner I talk to totally loves their Tesla.
Thanks for starting the video with "no one wants to buy EVs." Because I wouldn't mind having an EV... I don't want to pay for the price of an EV.
nobody with a brain
That means you don't want to buy one.
@@OneOut1but pointing this to EVs when it’s the same thing for all new vehicles. Ask Stellantis, ask ford with their lots full of F150.
His examples on loss of Value is the same for anyone buying a new ICE in 2021 as dealers jacked up the prices. Now they are too far upside down to trade in
I took a Tesla Model 3 for a test drive. That was enough to satisfy my curiosity. I'll stick with ICE for as long as I can.
@@stephenharris2495 Not just the dealers. The manufacturers jacked up the MSRPs as well.
Went back to the ice BMW after 5 years with Tesla... Never looked back. EV are just garbage.
why? What is your experience with Tesla?
And I went for a Toyota right after my diesel bmw died at 101k
@@ottomusprime5028 which engine
@@bazosmarek7981 from the 2014 328d, four cylinder. Timing chain failure. Funny thing timing chains are not considered maintenance probably cause you have to drop the engine to get to it, mounted in rear.
@@bazosmarek7981it takes too much time out of my day to charge my Tesla, I'm going back to gas, looking at a new high-end Honda Civic maybe, but never in Ev ever again. I promise you the charging will get to you after a while
Lucky, I bought a new model Y last month and didn’t over pay like so many people did. I love the car,specially when I can charge at home when the gas prices here in LA is over $5.00.
Cars are not investments and no one is promising that your car is going to keep its value. We need to start looking at EV as tech and not rush out and buy the latest and over pay.
The coastal area’s of California, at least the southern half, is the only place in the country that all electric vehicles make sense. The weather and population densities allow it. Sorry, but everywhere else on earth that isn’t LA sucks for EVs. Hybrid or Hydrogen is the only viable non-hydrocarbon alternative.
Keep telling yourself that.
@@jamessmith8480 I drive 25000 miles a year in a Tesla. a 300 mile trip is sweet spot. last weekend I did my 310 mile trip, had nice tailwind. spent 10$ charging for all that range and 500 horsepower.
@jamessmith8480 I'm in the NorthEast and Teslas are all over the place. Nobody is crying about problems.
I still want a 1996 caprice classic.
I have a 94 impala.
A 1996 Detroit rust bucket. Why?
@@DerekDavis213why would it be rusty?
Cars should be looked at like a tool or appliance. The modern mindset of looking at everything as an asset is getting out of control. Vehicles are expected to lose value. It doesn't lose any value the longer you keep it. Nobody should be buying a new car, EV or not, unless theyve had their old car for 8 years or more.
it's not investing at all lol. it's just trading. people have been trading commodities since ancient times.
Did not get past the opening premise "Numbers don't lie". Okay,
18.4% share in Germany, down YoY from 20.5% Germany rolled back incentives and only lost 2.1%
24.7% share in the UK, up from 21.9%
24.3% share in France in April 2024, growing from 21.1%
Norway in April, roughly flat from 91.1% year on year. BEVs alone took 89.4% share, up from 83.3%
The question you need to ask is , can the U.S. auto industry survive if it only lives in the U.S.?
Nobody wants EVs, but in the street you can see EVs.
They finally cost what they should have from the beginning 😂
Very true. EV's will eventually be less than ICE. That's when mass adoption will happen.
I recently purchased a brand new 2024 Cadillac LYRIQ fully loaded.
The only negative complaint that I have for electric vehicles is regarding the charging in infrastructure.
I used to have to drive 10 miles to get to the nearest EV go charging station. More recently (four months later) and EVgo charging station was placed just 4 miles away from my house. Far easier for me to get to and now my range anxiety is almost gone.
Tesla super vehicles I will have rang anxiety and I will feel comfortable driving my EV anywhere in the entire country I want to go.
How long does it take to fully charge? And do you ever have to wait in line for a spot to charge? Now multiply that by 100 for when just 10% more people have an EV. Your brain will explode when you think about every vehicle in the nation being an EV, the lost hours in charging times alone would cripple the economy. And then destroy the environment with all the e-waste. EVs are dumb, and so are fanboys. Hybrid or Hydrogen are the only options.
Basically, anyone that can’t install a home charger, is traveling, cares about the environment, wants: to tow stuff, a vehicle that doesn’t depreciate massively, cheaper insurance and repair bills, safety, to quickly fill their tank to 100%, greater range on a fill up, to quickly find a place to fill up, a vehicle that doesn’t eat through tires, or a vehicle that doesn’t lose range over time, doesn’t want a stupid BEV.
Evs aren't good for the environment...
@@JJ-mh3hb Yeah I'm told EVs don't even drive if you put gasoline in them !
@@JJ-mh3hb Right. They aren't good for the environment, which is why anyone that is environmentally conscious won't want one.
Thanks for repeating Fox News bullshit
@@JJ-mh3hb No car is good for the environment. Stop pretending you care.
I just bought a 2030 Tesla model 3.with 14500 miles. It’s so clean, I paid cash and got an amazing deal. I can’t believe how inexpensive it is. I’ll be keeping it and I have a back up gas car. I realized I could afford it because of your videos so thank you.
Warranty just ran out, that's why you got a good deal. Hope you don't need to fix it...will cost you about $16,000 for a replacement battery, for example. They are throw away cars, that's why the technology is dying.
How are we supposed to believe that you got an amazing deal with no price.
@@flashoflight8160 ooops random person on the internet, I'm so sorry I didn't include every bit of information. The going rate for this car (2020) is at a good price right now. I found out about it through Lucky's videos. Even if I did put the exact price, which is the average going price price, you wouldn't care at all.
@@MoragTong_ Yes, I could find the negative in everything as well, but with 3 more years on the battery warranty and lots of people who still have Teslas without having to replace the battery after the warranty period, I think the odds are I'll be ok.
@@MoragTong_ Just about all cars are eventually throw away cars. EV's have plenty of problems. So do all the newer ICE vehicles. Everything made is reliant on computers and electronics that will eventually fail or become obsolete.
They have to go in a totally different direction for low emission cars. Fuel cell? Hydrogen? But cars with huge batteries is just a bad idea.
This. Li-on has failed miserably as a viable power source. Yet the oems answer is to just make heavier batteries. A EV chevy truck is like 10K lbs. And it still can't tow very far. Its got RV tires running 65 psi. Total insanity.
Unfortunately, Hydrogen or Fuel Cell cars would suffer the issue that EVs do, in that the places to "refill" are few and far between relative to gas stations, and at least in the case of hydrogen cars, also take quite a long time to refill.
@@laldagorth Whatever the option we will likely need new infrastructure of some kind unless we develop some kind of long lasting power system. It's not like we will be allowed to have small nuclear reactors on cars.
They do have the Toyota Mirai here in California, which is an interesting little car. However you cant leave the state, since all the hydrogen stations are here
@@laldagorth I watched a video and it only took 5 minute to fill a hydrogen car empty to full. That is way faster then a EV.
As an avid bicyclist, I see more electric bicycles on the trails than non-electric
That’s how liberals stay in shape.
And those idiots do know know the rules of the trail! Like I want to be hit by some 90 pound bike with a rider?
That sounds like cheating.
Hills are hard
@@brianchudzik7829 rules are lame, i will take a gas powered, electric powered, or foot powered bike on the trail if i dayuum well please....lucky for you i am too poor to afford anything besides foot powered
I am thankful for my Nissan Leaf SL Plus with Leather and Bose sound system. It’s super quick and quiet with smooth ride. The interior is similar to a normal vehicle, but the best part is charging for free and not paying for gas.
25 gallons in California is $150/wk.
$6 x 100 gal is $600/mo. That’s more than a car payment. Who cares if it depreciates when it saves $600/ month in gas bills. Mine is a 2019 and still has 100% battery capacity with 226 miles range. Plus, no other costs like oil changes or brakes. The original tires are 5 years old with 34k miles. I also have a SL500 and F350 with 7.3 diesel, but I love to drive the Leaf whenever I can for running around and day trips to Malibu or San Diego from OC.
Your issue isn't EV. It's living in California!
We're happy with both our Leafs as well. We leased/bought a 2013 Leaf that is still kicking but only gets 60 miles of range and have a 2019 SV Plus that gets 22x miles range. We bought the 2019 for the Carlsbad to LAX use-case with no charge and after 4 years, it's still performing that use-case as long as I leave fully charged. We did a trip yesterday to LAX and back and I chickened out and charged at San Clemente for 10 minutes. I think we would have been good getting home but didn't want to risk things. I left with a 97% charge though.
Both cars have been phenomenal in quality and ergonomics as well as practicality. We keep the cars a long time and the depreciation that Lucky is talking about is not a huge deal to me. I'm sure I can sell my 2013 Leaf for $2,000 - $4000 even now and I paid $8500 in 2016 when the lease ended. So losing 6500 over 8 years is nothing compared to these Audi e-tron and Benz owners in one year.
Been saying this from the beginning and getting a lot of heat. 😂😂😂😂😂
When you see fan boys anywhere.... RUN AND RUN FAST. That is the first sign. 😂😂😂😂
Just wait to see the price reduction for Tesla in July. This will kill the EV.
Tesla is killing the competition by bringing the price down - Musk stated that EVs are a small niche, @6% of the market
Heard model Y will be $20k for a brand new one.
@@jayshankarchandran321 lmao, no.
@@jayshankarchandran321 maybe a like new 3
@@stanmarcusgtv Less than *one* *percent* of cars in America are Teslas
I bought an used Chevy bolt 3 years ago for 16.4K and I love it. I don't have to worry about gasoline prices or routine oil changes. The performance is great; you would need to purchase premium fuel to get the same performance from an ICE vehicle.
Premium fuel will NOT make a vehicle that was not designed to use it perform better. Vehicles that are set up to perform best on premium will only lose a small amount of power when running on regular. The better acceleration of EVs is an irrelevancy for the majority of people.
@@waynek805 I should have stated better than performance cars that require premium fuel. Irrelevancy for the majority does not mean irrelevancy for all.
I remember when people thought it was a statue symbol to drive a Tesla... I NEVER cared or wanted one 🤷🏽
I think the Tesla fad is running its course, and now there is not a single EV that anyone wants to buy.
Same. They're overpriced status symbols and not much more.
Tesla is not status symbol, but more like a FooLish symbol.
When have mechanical issues OR an accident in an EV and u see those estimates & wait times. U be glad that ice car still burning gas
Only a matter of time until every vehicle on the road is powered by electricity... :/
I bought a Blazer EV and a Gas Silverado a month ago. With the $7,500 credit and another $2,000 off, I’m pleased with it. I bought it though as an around town vehicle, it could never be my own vehicle. Already drove the truck out of state 3 times, 600 miles on one tank!
I'm waiting for solid state battery technology to become available and allowed to mature before even considering a EV purchase
You'll be long gone before that technology ever matures. And I doubt it ever will.
@@Spideynwsolid state bettery is that far away? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@dariodjakovic1600 He said "and allowed to mature". It will never be affordable to the masses.
The EVangelists keep talking about all of this great new battery technology that's just around the corner. It would be stupid to buy an EV now! Imagine how much today's EV prices will crash when that fabulous new battery technology arrives.
Maybe at 50K per battery..
Why would I pay that for a faster golf car with better range? 😂
because you don't want to buy a gasoline go-cart that breaks
@@someuser7501 and EV... don't catch on fire? Ever.......? Gtfoh
@Kevin-mk6jo and gasoline engines... don't catch on fire? Ever.......? Gtfoh
@@someuser7501 had about 25 cars... so... no? EV batteries catch fire just by driving. Many videos can be seen about that. My civic 2013 is just fine....
This 100%, I do not need my golf cart to self drive or have Cameras....I just want it cheap, period.
After dealing with Coolant intrusion into cylinders, failed turbo, rear main seal leaks, catastrophic engine and transmission failures, fuel injection issues I will be looking at an EV. Used EV's are absurdly cheap these days. I can find a great use case for an EV as an everyday local get-around car. I keep an ICE as well for the occasional long distance trip.
@Lucky I love how positive you are.
I don't see an infrastructure for reselling EVs. For example, is there a trustworthy of telling the condition of the battery?
Yes, but the only ones with access to those tools are the manufacturers and their captive repair shops and dealerships.
@@laldagorth Not true at all. You can run a battery test on a Tesla easily, all you need is access to a charger.
@@OtisFlint An actual in-depth test that will give you the state of the battery chemicals, the state of the individual cells that comprise the battery, etc?
my market for used EVs literally almost exactly the same right now as it was in december 2023. every once in awhile a dealer has to move a car, it gets discounted by a couple grand and then the listing gets removed a few days later. sounds like the market is just wrong about price.
There was a news story in Philly about vandals stealing parts off charging stations for the precious metals, rendering the charging stations unusable. One more strike against electric vehicles.
Yikes, I guess this mean AC units, ICE vehicles, and anything else that isn't nailed down gets a strike too.
You’re right people still want EVS and they’re still decently selling. It’s just that people just don’t want the huge cost of one.
Here in New York City EV’s are selling very well. Even Toyota is selling the BZ Forex easily. I think the real problem is the interest rates are so high that the people who want electric vehicles can’t get them because they can’t afford them. Insurance rates are high as well.
But before we talk about electric vehicles, let’s talk about vehicles. Dealers are having a hard as hell time selling gas vehicles as well. Again, the interest rates and the insurance rates are sky high.
The actual sticker price of the vehicles is absurd. Never mind the interest rates.
Camry Hybrid are selling very well. Above MSRP. That car is amazing, far superior to Tesla.
I disagree Lucky, it’s not so much people dont want EVs. People dont want anything right now across the board. High prices, negative equity, and high interest rates are a recipe for slow sales. The only vehicles selling in my area are specialty vehicles and buckets.
I absolutely do agree however with your sentiment on Tesla and price drops, they 💯 f@cked the secondary, they’re previous loyal buyers.
And yet the guy that actually buys and sells cars is only not buying BEVs.
Love my Tesla Model Y. EV Used cars are selling like hot cakes.
Sorry that people bought at the wrong time then soon wanted to sell it.
I'm not selling mine. I just did a 450 mile camping trip in my Model Y. I charged at home at night for half price. Then i charged at the campground.
My total electricity cost was $3. And I slept in the car.
Truth I don't want my 19 year old daughter driving an ev. Simply because if she has to charge it somewhere she will have to wait 45 minutes in the car and it's not even guaranteed when she get to a charging station.
How about the fact that it's dangerous for a young girl to be sitting especially at night charging a car
teslas are literally safest cars you can buy. I would want my children in one.
Yeah it's really safe in this economy and what's going on in this country to be sitting in a car at night charging a car or maybe even waiting in line to charge one that's a real good parent
@@DebbyBailey-vz5rn I rarely even use a supercharger and when I do its for 15 mins and im eating or pooping in restaurant close by. ive never charged for an hour in a Tesla ever. a lot safer than having to every week or 2x a week get out of your car and risk getting mugged or have car stolen while pumping gas. teslas are least stolen car in usa, facts.
@@DebbyBailey-vz5rn His 19 year old daughter is a gas station/convenience store clerk in Chicago working the night shift. She's tough.
I hope your right!! Because i want an EV.. Hope this takes off. Will be the best deal. in town. Good luck....
Love these updates Lucky. Keepem comin.
Too soon you get old, too late you get smart-----the perfect EV slogan.
The entire car market is in a deplorable state.
The population is heavily indebted, high interest rates prevent businesses from developing, which kills consumer demand.
Self-propelled Joe's policies are leading the country into a deep depression.
A maga guy talking about economics? what a joke
The BEV is dead - stick a fork in it.
3 things killed it:
1) Range anxiety - on a cold or hot day you can lose 1/3 of your range
2) Charging anxiety - try to go on a road trip in a Tesla and a computer must plan your stops - adds hours to your trip - if the charging stations aren't backed up
3) Depreciation anxiety - my 2 year old Tesla Model Y has lost 2/3 of its MSRP - the resale market is dead
and elon just makes life miserable for his customers.
Hybrids are taking over - none of the above crap
or just stick with gasoline - nothing wrong with them
@@outsmiter4894come up to Minnesota and the Dakotas, especially up north, good luck finding a supercharger. There may be a few random level 2s in more rural or forested areas, but you better not want to do any hiking, skiing, etc off the main roads. Your hotel or cabin might say they charge EVs, but it’s just a standard wall outlet. Some areas are hours away from any charging station all together. So no, they aren’t.
@@outsmiter4894 I never take our Model Y on any long trip - but when I do play around with A Better Trip Planner there are trips that go through Nebraska where it warns you that to make it to the next charger you should keep your speed below 45 MPH on the highway.
last February, it was -9F, and my range dropped from 270 miles in the garage to 190 in 10 minutes - so don't tell me there is no range anxiety.
@@outsmiter4894 Why worry at all? Just buy a hybrid and there are no problems. You get 40 miles electric which is the average range needed by the average driver then it goes gasoline.
Depreciation anxiety is not going away - elon holds firesales all the time killing the resale market.
EVERY Tesla owner who financed now is "underwater" they owe more to the bank than the car is worth. Elon did this to us.
@@outsmiter4894 That's not what Consumer Reports says...
I save 5000$ a year in gas w my Tesla. I also drive 25000 miles a year over mountain passes, neg temps, strong winds. it does fine. last weekend I drove 310 miles and charged in the middle, spent 10$. nothing can touch that performance/cost ratio. my car has 500 hp and insane speed/torque gets equiv of 100 mpg.
Been doin more than fine in my model 3. No gas bills alone is a game changer.
I save 4-5000$ a year in gas w my model 3 driving 25,000 miles a year. all the haters can have fun wasting thousands on obsolete slow fossil cars
This is a transition with new tech. New technology prices drop fast and people dont want to buy used tech. But the previous generation of tech will go to essentially zero. For example VHS players, when Dvds first came out. People who bought DVD players at the beginning spent a lot of money. There were people who still purchased a lot of VHS players but eventually those sales all went to 0 with no resale value. With the Dvd players no one was buying used ones, theyd buy new, especially in the early years because prices were dropping so quickly.
EV's suck!
y?
@@lionheart93y not?
They don't actually suck, it depends on what you buy and what you want to use it for.
yep and so do vacuum cleaners
I can’t wait until they drop in prices. I work from home and drive less than 20 miles per week. An EV is perfect for me.
As an American I hate when the government tries to force me to buy a glorified golf cart. Give me a mustang gt350 with a manual transmission
Exactly. I have nothing against EVs. Buy one if you want one, but I don't want the government to force me to buy something I don't want and can't afford.
I would settle for a V6 Mustang with a manual transmission....would be an upgrade over my 98 5 speed manual Nissan Sentra
@@fortheloveofnoise I had one 24 years ago. Wasn't "fast", but it wasn't slow either. Would probably beat a 65 Mustang with the 289.
I've had my LEAF for 7 years and have only put a set of tires and three sets of wipers on it...and I've only been out $200 per year in electricity = LOVE IT
I'm thinking about buying a Model 3 today at Hertz Car sales. 2022 Gray Model 3 with about 70,000 miles for $23,500 and it will qualify for the $4k federal tax credit.
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No Prius to look at for 1 - 2 yrs
Ordered a Tesla
Came in in 2 wks
Best car I ever owned
💵💵💵🚽🚽🚽
@@darkrulier his previous cars must have been a Yugo, a Wartburg, and a Trabant
@@fortheloveofnoise yeah, sounds like it 😂
Say what you want- I’ll always have one. Next to my 911 manual and V8 tundra. It’s my commuter. I save about 400 mo in fuel. Take my savings and tax rebate into an index fund.. in 1.5 years it’s at $17000 and climbing. Does your ice car do that? No
Just bought my 2024 Dark Horse Premium (manual), and I’m scared of depreciation, which is why it still only has 200 miles on it. But I’m hoping since the dark horse is limited it won’t drop hard.
Or I can just drive the hell out of it and enjoy it
DEVAS = Disposable Electric Vehicle And Software
Who would by a 6-year old USED cell phone?
Now you get it.
ICE vehicles are equally disposable these days
You're exactly right!
@@dwebtron8526 the market doesn't support that statement .
@@dwebtron8526. All three of my ice vehicles will be on the road 30 years from now.
I wouldn't say "nobody" Lucky. It's just that all 6 people who want an EV already own one. 🤣
Thanks you make more economic sense than anyone in government or the federal reserve...
Hi Lucky,
I want to buy a 2020-2022 Model 3 Performance with < 45k miles and get the $4k Federal Used EV Tax Credit.
The issue is that they're selling for $29k in my area right now and the max "sales receipt" price to get the credit is $25k. I don't mind paying more for the car in a separate transaction, but that's not allowed.
Do you think used EV prices have hit the bottom or is there still room to go? Bank of Canada lowered their interest rate today, so does this mean car prices will start going up in the future if other countries follow? Or should I wait and get the Model 3 Performance I want in a few months when they finally come down to $25k? Otherwise I will need to settle for a Model 3 LR.
Thanks!
Nobody wants one because they've never driven one.
Copium
true
Another thing nobody is talking about. EV Batteries need to be replaced after 10 yeand and the cost
Is in 1000s 😕👎😡
My vehicle is 12 years old originally had 40 miles now has 23 my monthly cost is 120 /12
Tesla has a 10 year 120 thousand mile warranty on their batteries. Why would you ever keep one past that anyway?
@@DefinitelyNotYouThankGod120k mile is only 5 to 6 years of daily driving at when I live.
I save 4-5000$ a year in gas so who cares. car will be paying me by that point
What about leasing , what’s your opinion on a lease for say Lexus rz?
correction, nobody wants to buy any car. Tesla sales are up compared to other cars by some margin. Tesla killed 2nd hand prices by dropping their prices so much.
EV batteries degrade over time.
Used EVs have a fraction of their new battery range.
An EV after 10 years isn’t the same car.
Unless you take care of the battery. Which admittedly is much more difficult VS how the EV companies are advertising them.
Seriously, who in their right mind would want to buy a 7-8 year old used EV? Worthless.
@@Jimster481 You underestimate how little the average American is willing to maintain their car.
A repo’d EV might as well be salvage valued.
After 5 years it is worth next to nothing.
Well I think 1.8 million people in 2023 might have a different opinion
EVs & ICE can coexist, I just don't want the government telling me I should drive an EV. I tow stuff & carry loads in my trucks. My time is valuable to me, I don't have time to wait for a charge. That's not progress that's going backwards.
Thanks for your insight
You couldn't give me an EV! Who wants to sit for an hour to charge, who wants to get 200 miles before a recharge, who wants to not run the AC or heater because it drains the battery. Who wants to replace the battery in 5 years. Not to mention, they become 6000 lb paperweights in cold weather. Need I go on? Evs suck!
Love my Model S. Got a used one with 2k miles for about 25k off msrp.
Thanks for the info. Could you redord video about pros and cons for tesla leasing
Now I don't feel so bad about spending $20K to restore a 6th Gen, manual transmission Maxima.
And I thought that *nobody* wants Nissan cars any more. CV transmission failures galore, and the CEO is on the run from the law.
@@DerekDavis213 That means an abundance of parts cars in the junk yard. The manual transmissions from Nissan are not failure prone.
Makes me feel that much better about my paid off fleet of pre-08 vehicles
I like them , BMW and Mercedes EV’s are killing it in south Florida not to mention Kia and Hyundai , Tesla is just consistent here. I have a BMW Hybrid though lol 😆
I stopped checking values. My 2022 Polestar 2 has lost 40%+ value due to Hertz dumping and the tesla price cuts. Was 58k new! Back then it still qualified for 10k in tax credits and 0% interest. I do have free work charging so it comes off about the same as a normal gas car...but still. I would love to get into a Lucid Air or Polestar 4...but with how finances, insurance, and interest rates are, I think I'll have to wait for values to crash even further :)
What no one seems to talk about is that we may have reached the saturation point on EVs. The market can only accommodate so many of a particular type of vehicle - SUVs, pickups, sedans, minivans, EVs, hybrids, etc. idiots thought EVs would replace all ICE cars and hybrids.
There will be some amazing cash deals on EVs in the next year. I wouldn't mind having one for an around town car.
Yes let the price continue to drop I’ll be buying one real soon
Am glad that I didn't rush in and join the EV craze. Decided to sit back and watch the market develop first.
Thanks for info
Tesla reducing costs each quarter is a good thing... Nobody wants to pay original price for a 1 year used TV, phone, car etc. Car engine tech improvements have stalled... Each year batteries will continue to see improvements, lowering costs.
I’m one who went from Tesla M3P back to gas. Paid 60k 4 years ago. Car trade values I got quoted were 11-17k. Got lucky trading it in without negative equity and grabbed a new Chevy Trail Boss which I’m loving. Not going through nightmare depreciation again. And car’s build quality was crap.
The dramatic thumbnails and titles are Scotty Kilmer-esque
Got you to click and comment though, didn’t it?
Hi Lucky, 🙋🏻♂️I watch all your content on RUclips. I love your vidoes on current used car market and that’s at a national level. I’d to see you make content on guys like me can learn how the current market (St. Louis) is doing. I own an independent Dealership with a service dept. In my service dept I have 2 techs 1 advisor. I’m the only employee for my sales dept. I’d love to know how to learn what to buy and what to stay away from in my market. Please make a video on we can do that. Keep Up Content!