Mass Effect 5: A New Trilogy
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- On May 20th Mac Walters did an interview with Eurogamer discussing his time working on Mass Effect and also spoke a little bit about the early phases of Mass Effect 5 and about Andromeda. And also made a comment about the possibility of a Trilogy.
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Mass effect was great because we could follow Shepard and the gang over the years, fall properly in love with them and invest in them and the choices they've made. Without it, it wouldn't feel like mass effect... just an easy way by using the brand to get existing fans to play it
I mean, I'd LOVE a new story about a new (properly developed) character because I love the UNIVERSE of Mass Effect. Same as SW if they actually wrote good characters - I'd LOVE it.
I think that’s part of why andromeda failed. People are so attached to the past that they aren’t willing to give the new a chance to shine. Reminiscing back on a whole series and then comparing it to a fresh new start. 3 games and a bunch of dlc vs 1 game.
@@pandoraarts7748 that was one of many reasons andromeda failed, true
@@pandoraarts7748 do you remember how infamous the game’s bugs were when it came out? That was the dealbreaker for me - buying an unfinished game. Same as Cyberpunk.
@@Metalton95 I played cyberpunk as well, love that game to. But I personally haven’t experienced any of the bugs other people did. Just for context I have pre ordered both of these games so I played them day 1.
playing a sequel with the same protagonist is like seeing a friend you haven't seen in a long time
It's hard to understate the importance of the influence of Star Wars on Mass Effect, and the trilogy structure is one of the most important aspect that the latter has borrowed from the former. One big story made of three separate parts that each feel like their own thing. The ME trilogy isn't just Shepard's arc, it's also Tali's arc that sees her starting exiled from her planet and hating the Geth, to someone at peace with the Geth who comes back to her home. You can only do this with that degree of impact if you're using the trilogy structure.
Being able to transfer your saves was mind blowing at the time. I’d never seen anything like it. The ability to tell your story, and see the consequences of your actions, is a level of world building and story telling that only a video game can do. It’s so insanely unique, it would be a travesty to abandon that
Heck, it’s still mind-blowing! I still don’t see games do things like this very often, and when they do, it’s very general things that get moved over.
It's been done before. In Champions of Norrath 2: Return to Arms you could upload your character with full stats from the first game. Even what your character was carrying, money etc. Items cost way more in the sequel as there was new outfits and armours as well as abilities added to your magics tree. Really helped because in the first game my character made millions in coin but you can't make money the same way in the sequel as it was basically dropping items and re-uploading your character so you could clone your items and sell the copies to make more money.
I personally think that the deep interconnected nature of the ME games was significantly helpful in immersion. you get really involved. So yeah, i think it should always exist, and frankly, if I may, I would suggest that we even further deepen it... If not at greatest detail level, I think there should always be some level of carry over data - because I think thats what makes ME, ME... if that makes sense.
One thing kids today have to understand is that the visionaries like Hudson, Watamaniuk, Walters and the old guard don't grow on trees. Those people WERE de facto Mass Effect. Now only the franchise name is left so they could call it an entire different name. You can't copy the same feeling and touch to the game as the game came directly from the storyteller's hearts and minds.
Watamaniuk is still at BioWare! There are several veteran devs from the OT that returned to worked on ME5.
@Kala Elizabeth It doesn't matter. They have to adhere to corporate financial and political guidelines much more than they had to in the early days. In other words, they don't have carte blanche to create what they want and much less free reigns. A free Citadel DLC couldn't have happened today.
You said this perfectly and I wholeheartedly agree. It's unfortunate at the same time, but that's the beauty of it.
@@TrumanBurbankFE quit being such a negative Nancy, you’re throwing in the towel and you don’t know a single thing about the game yet. Lighten up buttercup
I agree. A trilogy may be a planning headache for the devs, but I think it's essential to the Mass Effect experience, sets it apart.
The 2022 teaser video had specific changes to the concept art in the video. One is the the docking bays on the large ship docks 1 2 3 are lit, 4 has a long docking bridge, and there are docks 567 not yet lit. I thought this might be teasing three games to come.
I can understand the difficulty of creating a trilogy of games where choices matter throughout the entire thing, but with that said I also would prefer ME to come out in a series of trilogies. I would have very much preferred Andromeda to have fleshed out into a trilogy. The whole reason, in my own personal opinion, that ME is so very popular is because of the myriad of ways to play the protagonist. Not only having a large variety of ways to play and decisions to make, but to have those decisions have different results in game. Yes it's difficult to create something like that and have it be immersive and engaging, but ME did it once and hopefully it wasn't like lightning in a bottle and can be done again.
They can’t really do that if people kill the first game in said soon to be trilogy….
Personally, I'd like it to be a new trilogy simply because it'll have a beginning (1st game), middle (2nd game) & endings (3rd game) where I'll be able to continue my character for a few games, see where my choices go & have a conclusion to that story... I also wouldn't mind if they considered Mass Effect 5 the 2nd entry of that new trilogy, with Andromeda acting as the 1st game in the new trilogy.
I both agree and disagree here. I feel ME:A would make a fantastic trilogy. But, to me, it feels like a spin-off series. It is still in the same universe and franchise, but the stories and characters are so vastly different that it feels like a different series. While I would love to see Bioware work on this spinoff, I also want to see them give us some more of Shepard, and SLOWLY phase the Commander out as s/he becomes Captain, Admiral, etc. while younger characters become the new protagonist and crew.
@@GothicElf68I believe having Shepard in a new series will actually be a bad thing because much like getting into a new relationship after a break up you won't be able to commit to the relationship (game in this instance) if you're still stuck on the old relationship (game in this instance)
We have to let the new ME game be it's own entity without Shepard. Now it there was a way to memorialize Shepard that would inspire the new protagonist to either act the same way or the opposite then I'm all for it
@@domjackson1437 I did not say an entire new series with Shepard as the protagonist. What I mentioned was a gradual, natural transition, perhaps with Shepard in the first game of the series, perhaps as a Captain. Then, a new game that shows Shepard, not as the protagonist, per say, but as a figure akin to Anderson or Hacket.
That background music has sooooo much emotional value,,, its just insane how it makes you feel if you have played all ME games so far.
One of the things that made ME one of my favorite games of all time is that continuation. Because of it you get to really know the world, well written characters, their cultures, build your own character and much more. Personally I would love another trilogy.
The trilogy structure of ME had me hooked on the game. The choices from one impacted the next part and so on. It made you want to start the whole thing again to refine your choices to achieve a desired ending, and/or try something really different, just to see what would happen. This almost unique structure to ME made it special and had you invest the time in the game. It also encouraged purchase of all three parts, which may be something BW should consider from a game revenue perspective very seriously. Just get the next game right.
If its not a migratable character in a saga its not Mass Effect and it will be a HUGE let down for the fandom.
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I believe as you said ME is based on the main character Shepard for instance and players continue the journey with previous choices, relationships, and consequences from one game to another so just vanishing this core asset from the game concept in the future I will not it will hurt the sales but it will hurt the bond between ME fans and ME storyline and game play.. like when we love to play ME we start with with ME 1 and move on to ME 2 and ME 3 but making ME stand alone like ME: Andromeda (apart from the critics for the game) much fewer people are replaying it I believe. they can not make a deep ME story deep enough to attach players to it in a single game, it has to be in a trilogy or whatever the story takes to be completed.
I don't really mind how many games it has, but Mass Effect needs to stick with a single protagonist and their crew for them. At least until we reach good end point to pass the torch. As long as they have a PLAN this time. It's pretty clear at this point that with the Original Trilogy, they made it up as they went along, and I think they hurt it in the grand scheme of things. Same thing can be said for the Star Wars Sequel trilogy.
So I just want them to plan out the story, and make it as many games as they need.
And honestly, I wish Dragon Age stuck with a single protagonist, since I don't think the multi protag aspect is really working for the series by Inquisition.
One of the things I liked about the ME trilogy was the ability to continue your character's relationships with other characters across the games. Hopefully, they will continue that.
There's already a link between ME3 & ME-A as Liara worked with Alec Ryder on the Initiative by sharing her research techniques. Due to Cryo, who knows where and when Liara will pop up. For example the Reapers span time & space so technically the dead Reaper in the clip could be anywhere, including Andromeda. Maybe the Kett had run in's with the Reapers and so needed to create a way to repopulate their race quickly, before a Reaper invasion, hence transforming the Angaran.
There have already been theories that Shepard is put into Cryo, well maybe he's not only put into cryo but is sent to Andromeda to fend off another Reaper invasion, to save everyone once again.
Maybe the trailer depicts Liara and team arriving after Shepard in Andromeda and picking up his trail. A dead Reaper, a piece of N7 armour..
There are probably a million holes in this theory..
I have mentioned this elsewhere but I really dislike the notion that Mac Walters believes Bioware are innovators. Now, did Bioware innovate? Yeah, but I wasn't innovating for the sake of it. It was to improve their story telling abilities. Once they reach the point where what they have is good I don't think they have to find new ways to innovate unless they are literally making a different game.
This kind of thing only works for something like Dragon Age. A united story connected to different characters over a span time. Hopefully they don't do something like an unconnected story for this works. I don't care if it is a duology connected to another duology, but do something like this.
I could listen to you talk for days
I wanted some time to think about what I would say here, Mac Walters and the other people that started Mass Effect are Genius at their craft But that statement was said back then I think the new Director who is working on it said there were going to be a trilogy but I could be mistaken and could do research on it later if you want me too. I like the smooth transition of it and they were not long or short, but I hope there are more interactions like Femshep and Liara holding hands at times or even sleeping together instead in separate rooms as a couple should you know? Or whatever love interests' people choose, I hope there's explorations and just a lot of other things but not so much that it would clog up the main plot
Bro this game gives me feels every time I play through it. I gobble any ME content I can. I'm hopeful for the future of the series.
I think that the reason why BioWare may be wary about the idea of "the trilogy" is not because of migratable choices and characters, but because they don't want to be bound by the number of games they must make. Let's be honest as much as we like ME2 it really hadn't push forward the main story of Mass Effect in any considerable way. We still didn't know we're the reapers came from or how to defeat them and the galaxy hadn't started preparing for them. So objectively we ended ME2 in the same note as ME1: the Reapers will arrive and we have to defeat them somehow. And because of that ME3 had to fill all these gaps so we'd got deus ex machina the Crucible, but we also had to unite the galaxy, but there was also the Cerberus plotline and of course there are the Reapers. But it couldn't be done any other way, because Casey Hudson already told everyone that Mass Effect will be a trilogy, even though they hadn't planned it at all, so we ended with the final Mass Effect story that can be sometimes a mess.
If BioWare doesn't commit to the idea it a trilogy, they can make as many games as they need, be it two, three or even one or five.
II fell in love with Mass Effect because I fell in love with Shepard, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Ash, Kaiden, Wrex, Grunt, and you get the idea. Seeing the story evolve over three games was amazing. While I like the idea of a continuation of the franchise as a series, I would love to see it happen something similarly to how the Midkemia novels by Raymond E Feist played out. There were the original novels, which focused on certain main characters and events. As the novels went on, we saw new characters introduced- and this is important- as the older characters became older in terms of the story. These older characters eventually became more minor characters as they aged, then die. There were transitional stories stories in between. There were later books that referenced the events of the older books as events in the history of the world. If Mass Effect did that, then I could see it being an amazing series.
That all being said, I feel the way ME3 ended with no real closure, begs for a fourth Mass Effect that takes place post Reaper War, with Sheppard and company (those that lived through the Reaper War) still alive. I'd like to see that one last story of 'The Shepard' that is hinted at in the epilogue of ME3. Then, maybe a new game where Shepard and crew are clearly older, but still important, such as Anderson and Hackett are important during the Trilogy, while the younger generation are moving into their own. Maybe one of Shepard and Liara's little blue daughters is all grown and engaged in her own important mission. Or maybe young Lt James Vega is now a seasoned Commander and an N7 trained Alliance Marine, while Shepard is an Admiral. Something that is a natural transition, that carries on the story in a way that is not abrupt, such as the Dragon Age games are. That way, the fans and devs get the best of both ways of continuing the story.
Definitely want a trilogy.If its just series its gonna hurt the franchise the long run,because the episodes will be different from each other.Andromeda is another part of the series and look how much hate it got because its not connected to the trilogy.Even for this new game all we want it to be is a continuation of the trilogy or somehow being connected to it.
I loved that i was a part of the long story.
Having it series with different games its just not gonna be the same,therefore will not be as successful as the trilogy.
I don't think Andromeda got hate for not being directly connected. It was the lack of quality that people hated.
Kala
An ongoing series with the same character carrying over is fantastic. One or two games with a great character is too few. 75 games would result in feeling like the character overstayed its welcome. While the trilogy has become a tradition, there's nothing wrong with having more. If the story is good, I want as many games as it takes to satisfyingly resolve it.
I think it'd be more practical and impactful to have trilogies that follow on from each other but don't carry saves across from each other trilogy.
Sure, some fans might not like having a perceived 'canon ending' to each trilogy, but I'd rather have a specific state of the galaxy explored in depth than have a shallower story that has to account for every choice made throughout the series by minimising all the consequences into a more manageable and less branching narrative.
In other words, I'd rather each trilogy allows the player to branch out, make crazy decisions that drastically alter everything, and have the following trilogy focus in on one path, rather than make all the branches broadly the same to keep a consistent story no matter what.
In my view, these games really only work as a continued story. I love the first game, but would it be as good or as replayable if it was the ONLY game? I personally play the whole trilogy to have my character and decisions carry over. I actually enjoyed Andromeda, but the main reason I don't replay it is because it's the only one and there are no follow-up games.
Maybe it doesn't have to be 3 games specifically, but deep, interconnected stories are my absolute favorite. I wanted Xenosaga's full 6 episodes so badly... as it is, it's still one of the most ambitious stories ever attempted.
I feel genuinely conflicted about there not being a planned two or three games. It was so great getting to play as Shepard over three games. I think part of the reason Ryder didn’t take off is we simply didn’t get to spend as much time as him/her as we did as Shep. And Shep. is the GOAT, so there’s that too.
God I miss Mass Effect. I used to re play the trilogy every few years on PS3
I was so happy when they brought it back on PS4.
I can't wait for the next one.
If they made it good this time, I would gladly buy in to a series of ME games.
Sadly, I have lost all trust in the AAA gaming industry. I am no longer sure they can deliver anything worth my time.
I would love to be able to play as a non-human. I loved that reptilian Assassin in ME2, Thane Krios.
Playing as a Geth, would be great too.
Would love for there to be another trilogy. You do have to make sure the first game is good though otherwise no one will want to play the other games in the trilogy. Also, I think while I love the different protagonists, I think Dragon Age Inquisition should have had a 3-part trilogy as well. Then gone back to different protagonists. Just seems forming a whole new organization needed more time and build up than just a one-off game.
I consider myself a fan and I’ve legit only played 10 mins of the 1st one and I ended up turning it off. This was the OG tho before the legendary edition was even a thing. I started with ME2 and that made me want to play ME3.
I'm pretty old so I don't know if I'd still be alive for an entire new trilogy, but despite my approaching decrepitude I would like to experience another multi-game arc with many recurring characters.
I would be open to a new trilogy, however many of the biggest problems with mass effect trace back to not planning ahead properly during ME1/2 and having to adjust as they went on. We can't embark on another trilogy without the devs knowing where we're heading, we need a story where you can return to the beginning and see purposeful intent connecting the start of the story to the end. This is an area bioware has always been quite weak on in their games such as SWTOR as well, and I just don't think they can afford to be making it up as they go anymore with the likes of Mihoyo games .etc out there setting up intricate stories told over 7 years of development but without feeling as retconned or improvised as bioware stories often do when taken as a larger whole.
I love the Original Trilogy ! I became so connected to the characters and the story that I felt it when some consequences manifested as a result of my actions ! I'll admit when i went down the renegade path for the first time and i was forced to kill Wrex , i cried
Trilogies have finite endings. "Series" technically don't have an ending, until they "end" per say. I think the understanding of "okay, this story will take place over 3 games" builds anticipation for the Final game, especially when the first is good and the second just builds upon the first. i honestly hope that they take this post-reaper war existence to really take the time to build an immersive but also connected world. remember, this next game is rumored to connect Andromeda and The Milky Way!!!
I would want at least a duology Though my biggest concerns are where they are going to take the gameplay. Andromeda easily had my favorite character skill build system, combat, and array of weapons in the series and I'm worried they'll slip back to something closer to 3's gameplay or even worse the gameplay of 2. There were many changes in the gameplay between the first two games I disliked, and while 3 fixed many of them it wasn'tuntil Andromeda they were all fixed.
I don't know I feel less interested in the next Mass Effect if it does NOT address what happened in Andromeda and the Milky Way galaxy. If we don't see the characters we have already met and care for... I'd be good with Ryder a bit older and wiser, and more respected. I think that was what really angered me was the lack of respect for the Pathfinder. It almost felt like the game was made for a different audience. I still love the game, the game mechanics, and all that. I liked the tie in with the events in the Milky Way galaxy. I just don't know if I want to see it from another person's eyes. Like I am down for Ryder or Shepard... but to be introduced to a new protagonist. I dunno they have to be something really special like Commander Shepard
I also hope they give Ryder a second chance but I feel like they’ll make it so you’ll be playing a new character but you are able to explore the Milky Way and the Andromeda galaxy
4:09 I totally agree. Almost the entirety of ME3 is a conclusion, not just the last ten minutes. I feel the debate went way overboard with that.
How about Mass Effect 5 and going forward have all of it?
Have open series but there will be a 'trilogy' of main stories with the series of Mass Effect games.
Have open world gaming, but there will be a very tight and streamlined main story one can choose to just follow.
Great stuff. I’m breathing in the ruble finally. Freeze us all.Or build a time warp travel modulator for the Normandy. Or a mass transfer hanger. Kinda like how they made it work in the movie the tomorrow war. You just build a bond with your characters and the progression.Just a thought.
I would rather want a series of games instead of a trilogy as it allows for more creative and immersive storytelling. It would expand the Mass Effect universe without the weight of it's success being dependent on a fixed story. It is open-ended and it is exactly what Bioware needs. I am not saying that Bioware can't put out another masterpiece of a trilogy. But I doubt they would go in with the expectation to create a trilogy especially since Andromeda failed and the audience doesn't see Bioware in the positive light that it used to. Regardless, I hope whatever they are cooking is well worth it.
Thank you, Kala, for a very thought-provoking commentary. As a dedicated MEA fan and one of the original trilogy players, I agree with Mac Waters on the been there and done that trilogy thing. Personally, I like the idea of an open-ended series with many of the same characters that we all know and many of which we have come to love.
We already have a workable follow-on for the trilogy in MEA, albeit less than stellar by BioWare standards. That can all be corrected with the new Unreal Engine 5.2 and more thought put into character creation and storyline.
Keep up the good work, young lady.
Dragon Age and Mass Effect both did a linear story of events happening through a period of time. Whereas Dragon Age told the story with different characters, Mass Effect told it with largely the same characters.
If they want to do something different, how about trying a simultaneous story where different events are happening in different places but at roughly the same time and it can then culminate in a finale where all the choices made by different people in totally different places come together to mean something at the end.
Just some food for thought.
It would be great to have another trilogy BUT who would be the next antagonist or what could be worse than reapers? Also what could the story be about or where would it go? I'm all about another trilogy but please if they do make it make sense like the original. Thanks 🙏
Totally agree! We need something like a new trilogy! We already have plenty of open ended games, TV shows and movies even novels. So for me a written end for Mass Effect is always good to see.
I just want more well written Shepard stories. MEA just didn't invoke the same kind of connection with the new (and forgettable) characters. I can't even remember any of their names other then "Path Finder". If the new Shepard Story is a trilogy, so be it! In turn, if it becomes a series of different or less universe ending threats then I am still probably jumping in for the ride. On a final note, hopefully my girl Tali is right there with me to whatever end. 😂
I feel like I need more closure on Shepard’s story. I’m not sure I’m ready to move on from the Normandy family yet, the next game, I feel, should be something along the lines of actually properly giving Shepard and their crew a satisfying and fleshed out ending, where Shep settles down with their romance, and all loose ends are finally tied, like the dark matter plot line. Until then, I won’t feel like I’m ready to move on to another protagonist
If they show an actual trailer during the Xbox showcase….
I will shed real tears.
And if commander Shepard is shown???
Lord have mercy
The story should continue in Andromeda. I know a lot of fans have a bad taste in their mouths for Andromeda but I’m pretty curious to see what happens next.
Also I’m gonna call it now. If BioWare has the BALLS to put wolf girl aliens in the next game and make them actually interesting and not cringy fan service.
Hands down I’ll preorder it. I’m very based.
Im mixed on it ngl,I love Commander Shepards story so much and love to see the future of his/her story,but at the same time I feel like ME3 was a perfect bitter sweet ending to the franchise,it felt soo complete,and it looked like a sequel wouldnt be necessary,but at the same time I would love to seee the Mass Effect Universe expand.
The only thing that could save ME:A is a good continuing story. Make it a trilogy, but in the way you don't repeat your previous mistakes.
Well despite everything, I’d like a new trilogy with our shepherd. Kinda a last dance kind of thing like Jordan and the bulls
I don't see why they can't do both, have a trilogy that's in a series that relates to the OG mass effect and other new games. However, I could care less as long as the writing and character are up to par.
I wish yrs ago they would’ve made Dragon Age have a consistent antagonist all the way through the series..it’s so everywhere at the moment..
I definitely want a trilogy, but it's not a make or break element.
I will be happy regardless of whether or not the games are directly linked.
A new trilogy gave me another idea. To make the Legendary Edition there must be a team familiar with the old code. What if they update the ending of Mass Effect 3 to flow into Mass Effect 5 instead of using the current endings. That update can be applied shortly before the release of Mass Effect 5. No one liked that ending anyway. I also would like to see in Mass Effect 3 how Mass Effect 4 happened.
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Having Mass Effect continue as an open ended series makes more sense. Although, eventually it will end
I don't have a clear idea where they are going with this, but I assume that future games will be connected without being a trilogy.
With Mass Effect BioWare achieved something amazing. Shepard despite being a soldier, was designed in a way, that every player could say "my Shepard". I would argue, trilogy would fail if ME1 wasn't heavily dialogue/plot focused. I dunno if "modern players" are patient enough. I'd love to see new trilogy but within the timeline before ME3 ending. ME4 and whole trilogy would require old talent that BioWare had. Also there is no Mass Effect without Jack Wall, Sam Hulick or Richard Jacques. They have created soul for ME universe.
If a trology, a fallout 4 style "first contact war" game could be a way to go, or maybe just go with how they've made it so far with some basebuilding elements
I was frustrated with Andromeda at a point. Got it the yesr it came out. Then I hsd a massive break from it. Didn't continue till 2020 lockdown as needed something to keep me occupied. I figured the game out after getting past where I was stuck and improved my person in the process. When the story was coming to an end I loved the battles and where they left it but I want it to continue as I want a proper end to it. What happened after the Remnant's tech terraforming machines were all switched on and connected and how those planets look after years of forming/habitability.
What Mass Effect really needs is ship combat. Not being able to shoot down reapers with the Normandy in ME3 was a huge letdown.
I want orginal trilogy, and each choice I took in me 1,2,3 affect in next mass effect
I think the next mass effect will be civil war between races
I think a new Trilogy is unlikely, expect if Shepard is the Protagonist again.
Building a Trilogy off on a new Protag would mean taking a Risk. Something that Triple A Studios sadly don´t do anymore.
Interesting video. I suggest to interview or contact Drew Karpyshyn too. Mac Walters contribution to Mas effect universe is a very controversial one. The lead writer of ME1 was Drew Karpyshyn. His writings laid the foundation for the ME universe. He wrote more books-novels which enriched ME Universe and made it vibrant and believable. But, behind the scenes, he was discarded, and Mac Walters gain more influence with ME2. Mac Walters was the lead writer for ME3 game. Which had one of the worst ending story and that was Mac Walters "contribution". Let's give credit to those who really deserve it, and this is Drew Karpyshyn. Definitely not Mac Walters.
I am waiting for it. 😭
My first playthrough of Mass Effect was super late. (Spoilers plus IK outcomes change due to choices but my experiences are my "canon".) All DLC for ME3 was released before I ever played ME1. Once I discovered ME1 I was hooked on the universe and the crew. My first playthrough I went full Renegade and the stand off with Wrex was probably the most emotional intense gaming experiences I've had. Then in ME2 my favorite Salarian loses his life protecting the galaxy. Finally, in ME3 Shepard my avatar in this amazing world gives his life destroying the essential evil that has throughout history been a cosmic enemy.
My point is Mass Effect has to be a continuous story. My story and your story can be different and that's part of the experience. If they turn ME into a linear path without giving you incentive to discover your own way then that isn't Mass Effect.
If there is a new trilogy, It should be focused on Andromeda. Diehards should just let Commander Shepard rest and enjoy their retirement. After all the trauma of the Reaper War they endured, they've earned it. Now I'm not against an older Shepard appearing and aiding Ryder in the Andromeda Galaxy (like Marcus Fenix in GOW 4 onwards). The grizzled Alliance Hero aiding the young upstart Pathfinder. Also, I'd love to see Shepard experience the culture shock of all the new technological innovations in the Andromeda Galaxy.
Whilst a trilogy sounds amazing what we need is for Bioware to come up with a QUAD. Joking aside if they repeat what they did with the first three I will be a happy Commander.
Standalone ME games, or a series of games with minimal bleed across one game to the next would be a betrayal of one of the central ME tenets. The ongoing narrative, the greater depth and character development/growth afforded by multiple entries in a series of games is far too important to ditch for solo outings. It would be a huge mistake IMO and 100% the wrong direction to take the franchise in. TBH, if they did that then I would seriously fear for the franchise's future. It would worry me that these core principles were even up for debate if they are. Fortunately, I suspect we're worrying about nothing and that the grand design would be closer to what we got with the trilogy, it just wouldn't be badged as a trilogy because it could end up being two games, four games or however many.
It's still a masterpiece
Open series are fine so long as each installment do not end in a cliffhanger. Each installment must have an ending as though there will be no more installments. Otherwise the sense of accomplishment will be missing.
I don't think a trilogy is an answer necessarily but I hope Bioware goes for a God of War type approach. Just like God of War, Mass effect needs a strong reboot with an overhaul of the gameplay. I don't think that they need to bring back Shepard like kratos in 2018 god of war but I do think Bioware can learn a lot from Santa Monica studio and why they finished the series with Ragnarok.
Not a fan of Mac Walters. Drew Karpyshyn is what made the trilogy so great, up until he left BioWare before 3 was finished. Mac Walters and Casey Hudson are to blame for the lame ending for 3 and Andromeda. So unless they get Drew back as a writer for the next Mass Effect game, I'm keeping my expectations very low. I'll still play whatever comes out next, but my hype remains at a minimum until I see actual evidence of good writing again.
I really want them to explore some of the hinted elements of Andromeda's deeper conspiracies, but the Andromeda name is absolutely toxic. I hope that we get more than just codex entries to tie the two together, but I really want to leave the worst of Andromeda behind. I never really bonded with the Angaran, and I never felt like the Kett were anything other than cardboard cutout baddies. But there's so much more under the surface with the Initiative. I'm working through the books now and I hope we get some expansion of those stories in side missions. Mostly, I just really hope for a return to "space weirdness". I want to feel lost on desolate worlds, like I did on ME 1, while tying the threads of NPCs personal stories together.
The comparison of ME with dragon age is well-formulated, and the analysis of the production challenges of the original ME trilogy makes absolute sense - nice video.
ME has not been the same since the trilogy ended, and I’m very skeptical that an entirely new team can deliver -faithfully- on a follow-up to the trilogy’s story and feel.
I do not think a trilogy is needed, but to provide the same sort of continuity, I think that there does need to be a single protagonist, rather than the multiple protagonists we see in Dragon Age (and I love Dragon Age). What I would like to see is for them to not be bound by a format. So, not a trilogy, but maybe episodic, but with the same protagonist, and carry over saves.
And, I am of the opinion that it cannot and should not be Shepard, as much as I love FemShep.
But, I think they should work on the episodic concept by coming up with story ideas. Maybe a one shot, maybe something that requires two games....maybe four, and of course, it could be three, but dictated by the story and not some artificial idea that there must be three.
But absolutely, a carryover protagonist.
They should make a PREQUEL trilogy starring Jar Jar Shepherd.
They can “untuck “ andromeda. There’s a whole lot of mistrust earned from that one to overcome.
I truly dont care about any of the characters in Andromeda and im a very open person who genuinely gave it a shot.
Shepard forever! I would certainly love a new mass effect series. But even the original creative team did not get to fully write their story which is one reason why ME3 basically threw out so many story elements from ME1-2 which made the ending kind of jarring. MEA was well...I did not get the same feel and attachment to the story and characters. I can't even remember their names. On top of that Bioware is not even Bioware anymore...I love the game for it's story and how it pulled me in...but can it be done again? I can only hope. And OMG keep management out of it this time. :)
I think, if they explicitly don't want to do a trilogy, it's because they don't have a true vision of where they want to go with Mass Effect. Doing an open-ended "series" means they can meander and not really commit to anything, and be essentially aimless. This is not a good sign, at least from a story perspective. If they had a vision, they would necessarily have a definitive direction in mind.
Absolutely correct, Mass Effect only exists because Casey Hudson had a strong sense of initial vision that he and others pushed for.
I'd love a new trilogy if it had the quality of characters and writing of the original series. Andromeda was fun to play but the writing was subpar and the characters were rarely compelling.
As much as I would like a new game to finish off what ME:A started I suspect it wont happen due to the amount of hate the last game got due to from what I'm aware of it not including Shepard.
Even with the rumoured new Mass Effect game being made that'll include a couple of characters from the trilogy I suspect there'll still be a load of hate toward it unless there's a star wars style return of the shepherd clone war sort of thing.
There is too much story left with Andromeda to just leave it off. I can't see Mass Effect moving forward by abandoning Ryder, it would be a step backwards. I really enjoyed ME:A and the combat system was enough to get me invested for 4 Ryders. The only thing I lament is the lack of choice and the morality system for multiple playthroughs and subsequent games. I doubt we'll ever see a trilogy that works as well together as ME1-3. I think it would be interesting if they did something that affected story outcomes based on the "emotional, logical, casual, and professional" choices you've made. There would need to be new races to interact with. Ryder's personality traits and communication style would affect outcomes. I don't see the ME franchise working as well without a connected plot culminating in big conclusion. My big fear is that they'll try to turn in into Assassin's creed.
I hope mass effect comes out for the Nintendo switch
Trilogy! 🎉yeah!!!
The one concept that needs exploring in the next game or trilogy if we are getting the Geth is their religion on Ferros in the ExoGeni building you come across two Geth praying at a alter now the Geth have been given consciousness. If the new game follows the events of ME3 and we all assume it will then will this religion follow it. What is this religion, was it to the Reapers or something else as it shows they are capable of religion. An interesting plot point do they become zealots just a thought
It’s exhausting but if it’s a labor of love than BioWare wouldn’t mind. To be honest though they’ll just keep using the mass effect name while they release subpar games like andromeda.
if they ever take the route of a series, i hope it doesnt follow the Assassins Creed way. While i've always love AC, but i believe it the last games havent done exactly a good job telling the stories of their protagonists (my favs are kassandra and eivor tho). they get being blame for technicalities of gameplay and that already happened with Andromeda.
nonetheless i think a series would work because trilogies are short and if you got a galaxy to explore there is so much stories you could explore and live.
I’m probably in the minority but I’d be fine with playing as a new protagonist but yeah the new games should still be a series so that choices matter but while I grew attached to Shepard and the gang, I saw 3 as the culmination of all their fighting
we should wait to see how the upcoming mass effect game does before talking about a trilogy
Ik Andromeda was kind of a one off thing, but I would love to see a trilogy in the Andromeda Galaxy
New trilogy
New protagonist
They should do another trilogy