Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:29 - Salarian Identity 01:16 - Middle Character Identity 02:11 - Krogan Identity 02:53 - Liara & Andromeda Crew Connection 03:53 - Elephant In The Room 04:59 - Outro Who do you think Liara's 3 companions are? Do we know them, and/or are they from the Tempest crew? Let's discuss, feel free to comment below! :)
I don't know what ending it is but I'm sure I've seen one where joker emergency FTLs the ship away from wherever and crash lands somewhere; idk what that has to do with what I say next: once the reapers and everything is dealt with, I don't see why Liara probably wouldn't get in a different arc and fallow after the Andromeda crew. Even if 5 years does pass, it's nothing compared to the 500(600?) it would take to get too andromeda; the arks left during mass effect 2 somewhere, it only stands to reason that the technology developed near the end of 2 and all during 3 to combat the reapers would drastically change the way a new ark would be designed. It only took about a year or 2 to build the original arks. Alot of money and culture went into the war with the reapers since the arks left.
As for the planet, alot of spheres of ice hanging about alot of stars out in the galaxy, there's all kinds of different planets they could be on in the teaser. Command Shepherd wasn't the only N7 that exists, just the one were most familiar with
@@reyreyes6909 Never said that Liara goes to Andromeda, simply that the Andromeda crew is with her. As to how the Andromeda crew gets back to the Milky Way is anyone's guess.
Wait, didn’t the Andromeda team leave before ME3, and spent 635 years sleeping to reach andromeda. Even with FTL travel the timelines can’t match up, it just doesn’t work especially since Andromeda had no Geth and the Milky Way lost use of all Mass Effect Jumps. So times gonna be wonky but I think the figure in the middle is an Angaran. This way you don’t just bring back a random human from a game set 300 years apart
Shiny reddish armor? I am reminded of one certain Prothean... and at the right, that guy looks like a Turian. Likely Garrus. Makes much more sense to see Liara, Garrus and Javik searching Shep rather than teleporting some Andromeda Chars hundreds of years thru time. (Also I'd much prefer this cause I never felt much love for ANdromeda and its Chars)
I did consider Javik, but the figure on the right seems very krogan to me. The upper part of their body resembles the nutrient hump krogans have. Super hard to tell though, could be anyone!
Kiirahe and Garrus on the left and right. Not sure about the middle but maybe Javik? I am seriously hoping there is not a multiverse or a mixing of Andromeda to this next installment.
@smol_pupper123 indeed maybe he even settled down with a Asari and started a Family and he just tells his daughters story's on how they used to eat primitives and fight the reapers.
Definitely a turian on the right - don’t know if it’s for nostalgia purposes but if it is really 4 years post reaper war (please let it be) and they’re searching for Shepard (please let it be also) and that if the game is set in the Milky Way (please please let it be and let us be Shepard also lol) then I think it’s most likely garrus or a prop of him, a Salarian on the left - (hold the line guy or someone to bring memories of Mordin - could again just be a prop for that sentimental feeling - worked wonders in the trailer as it is epic and brings back the vibe of the og trilogy in its music and art and style - even the Liara part - also no idea who is the middle character - don’t think any of the characters are from andromeda tbh as this was the initial teaser trailer and it had almost entirely Milky Way call backs understandably even if it did acknowledge andromeda - however if your multiverse theory is correct - and whilst I’m not completely against the idea and it does make sense what you’re saying in regards to that - I don’t think anything here in this specific part of andromeda related
The right character being turian is hard to see for me. The large upper body looks like a krogan's shoulder hump full of nutrients. I would LOVE if it was Garrus, and the grey colour scheme would match, but I can't see them as anything other than krogan. Nothing in particular gives me Andromeda vibes except the character in the middle being Ryder. I used that as the basis for the other two.
You know what - now I feel like I can see a krogan too! However this krogan seems to have no quads - maybe he skipped leg day during the reaper war - but in all seriousness I can definitely see it being a krogan too now haha I always saw it as a Turian due to the skinny legs and just figured the guy was wide with big armour but I can see where you’re coming from now! I stand by the rest in regards to them being Milky Way characters imo - enjoy your vids and enthusiasm!
@@melman8372 This krogan definitely skipped leg day! :'D I can kinda see a turian....but it's a bit of a stretch for me. No worries, it would make MORE sense if they were from the Milky Way. Appreciate it, thank you! :)
Looks like a salarian, human, and krogan to me. The salarian is more than likely going to be a new character since I doubt anyone would really be all excited if it were Kirrahe or Padok Wiks. Mordin is dead in either variation of ME3 where he survived ME2, so he's off the table. The middle character is the most ambiguous, again it could really be anyone - but a good bet could possibly be the Virmire Survivor, James, or perhaps one of the other human squadmates. The krogan figure is likely not going to be either Grunt or Wrex (if it is a krogan) because both of their stories are dependent on them surviving into ME3, and doubly so for Wrex being tied to Mordin's survival. There's just too many variables for BioWare to account for, and it's unlikely that they'd be willing to confirm anything as concrete canon since so much of Mass Effect's identity rests in choice.
@@theta_clips Solid analysis, I agree on the species for all three you mentioned. Project Director Gamble said on twitter that we could guess the three people. That's one of the reasons I assumed they were Tempest crew: you can't kill any of them off, removing the "player choice" out of their identities.
I'd be fine with Ryder returning like Hawk did in DAI. A companion for an important set of missions but not a permanent crew member. If the next game is set after the events of andromeda, hopefully we will see a more mature version of Ryder.
Well you all in a coment seems to forgot that Liara is on Asary actually very young they can live 1000 years same as most other spieces.They way to andromeda was about 635 years so Liara is definetly still alive and ryder was in Cryosleep so he can do it again on a way back if they figure it out somehow + there are angarans which can help with it somehow and i think Shepard could return at somepoint Cerberus already bring him back to life twice once normall second as a clon in DLC Citadell
Personally I feel that given how negative the fanbase's overall opinion of Andromera was, it would be very unwise for Bioware to have members of the Tempest crew return as our player character's companions in the next game. Especially if the next game is mostly taking place in the Milky Way. Most likely these are either completely new characters we do not know yet or some of them are from the old crew of the Normandy (like Liara) or someone we met as Shepard during the original trilogy. Andromera will play some part in the next game, that's for sure. But whether that is a mere mention of it, some plot point for the story/quest or something else is still unknown. My personal wish would be that the new game would focus more on the aftermath of the Reaper war / rebuilding effort of the Galaxy and the inevitable power struggle after the whole chaos that was the Reaper war, with some mention/plot point in regards to Andromera, but alas we don't know anything for certain yet.
It would make the most sense to have the 3 crewmates not be from Andromeda, however, I couldn't find anyone else that matched the profiles of the 3 people, besides for the Tempest crew. Bioware is definitely aware of the negative reception of Andromeda, so I am curious if the Tempest crew will be a large part of the next title. With all of the hints Project Director Gamble has dropped, I assume Andromeda won't be a side plot point, but rather a continuation of the cliffhangers they left open for more exploration.
Salarians aren't taller in Andromeda. Humans are taller in the OT. Look at them. They're all of heroic proportions over 6'2. You can tell by their head size. Compare Ryder with Shepard. Ryder is of average height, Shepard is a head taller.
One thing I do want to say -- you probably can't really use the in-game heights for Mordin/other trilogy salarians, as to the best of my knowledge the Unreal Engine versions used to develop ME1-3 all had a lot of trouble with generating height differences within the engine. I've read stories about how, in order to create height differences, they would have to put people on boxes or sink their legs into the floor, and then use creative camera work to make it pass muster. It's one of the reasons the Frostbite engine was really cool re: character design -- height differences! Turians and salarians and krogan were actually as tall as they were supposed to be in the lore! Drack straightening up to his full height during the bar fight scene was [chef's kiss]
I did notice the difference in heights from the trilogy to Andromeda, but didn't know it was due to the game engine, appreciate the heads up! The main thing in this video was that I assumed the human-like figure was Ryder, and worked backwards from there. Since they gave us absolutely no information, I latched onto whatever info I had (e.g. height). :) Ahaha I remember when Drack stood up in the bar fight scene, absolutely classic! :'D
Personally i think the negative reception of andromeda, plus its physcal and temporal distance from the main game will mean it will get a soft decanonization and wont be of much consequence on the future, unless theres a lsignifcant fan demand to adress it
I really hope Andromeda plays a solid part in the next game. The trilogy will be always be superior, but there's a lot of cliffhangers left to explore there. From what I've seen, it's about 30-40% who want to see Andromeda continue in some capacity, but I'll run a poll on the channel to see for certain. :)
This may be insignificant but in ME3 if you meet Conrad Verner, he will give a research paper talking about dark energy and it’s effects on time. That could address the temporal issue you mentioned. And even distance too if they apply some classic sci-fi mumbo jumbo.
I think it's unlikely. 1) It assumes BioWare's targeted audience are those who played Andromeda which is unlikely to happen since BioWare can attract more people by adhering the game towards the trilogy audience, especially because the game takes place in the Milky Way. 2) Ryder and his squad mates are Andromeda characters. If you bring them in to helm the Milky Way story, it would completely make the whole story of Andromeda pointless. What's the point in going to Andromeda if they are just gonna return anyway? I would rather want them to stay in Andromeda since BioWare could use them for future games should they decide to continue that story.
Both excellent points! This analysis was purely on who the characters resemble, and the connection between them and Liara. Andromeda's story seems limited (in my eyes) which is why I think they might bring the characters over, but it's Bioware's call. How they can possibly pull off a sequel to both the trilogy and Andromeda, and not have them in the same area of space, is going to be very interesting.
This isn't the Bioware of the glory days. They'll find some way to lazily crowbar anything and everything into it to satisfy the mob. It sounds like I don't like them. I do but let's be honest, they're very spineless now in their writing and there's absolutely no way they'd have the backbone to go through with sticking to their guns.
Yo actually it’s funny, the algorithm showed more ME videos like usual and I saw one about how Conrad Verner had a research paper on dark energy, and its effects on time dilation. Is that the explanation? Because that maybe a pretty interesting little plot thread that could connect Andromeda to the Milky Way.
First off, 'That's a straw Tali.' Secondly, is everyone just going to ignore that in its current state, the EA app is not suitable for the next installment of Mass Effect for PC? Bioware is making a non-multiplayer game, so why would/should it have to be tied to a game launcher that has been kicking people out of gaming sessions while offline? Also, you have to login for what seems like every 12 seconds in offline mode, and that's if you can get the offline mode to even work. Ridiculous. If you have no clue what I'm talking about and you plan of buying the next Mass Effect on PC, I suggest you look into the EA app issues players have been having since being forced to switch from Origin to it.
The entire straw conversation never fails to make me smile. :) I've have the Legendary Edition on Playstation, so unfortunately can't speak to the servers for PC. Hopefully they can figure out the issues before the next game launches.
It never made much sense to me that the Reapers needed to go to “sleep” for 50000 years in the Dark Space after invading the Milky Way. I would assume they don’t just invade the Milky Way but also other galaxies like Andromeda. We know the Jardaan (the creators of Meridian and the Angara) “lived” 400 years ago. Maybe after invading the Milky Way the Reapers invaded Andromeda next (while the arcs were in their way to Andromeda) and the Jardaan fought against them, causing the Scourge in the process hoping to defeat them. But I’m assuming they lost anyway. That would also explain though, why so many structures on the planets in Andromeda have huge underground facilities, almost as if they wanted to hide their civilization under the surface of the planets from the Reapers above the surface. And once the Reapers were gone, activating those structures should make the planets habitable again so that they could go back to the surface. From the voice records in the quarters of Alec Ryder in Mass Effect Andromeda we know Bioware picked the ME3 ending where the Reapers won and destroyed everything in the Milky Way galaxy. That doesn't necessarily mean though no one survived. Just like the Prothean Javik in ME3, Liara could've survived in cryo stasis, not having physically aged. Maybe together with even more survivors waiting for the Reapers to return to the Dark Space and then rebuilding the civilization, finding dead Reapers and using their technology to build faster ships, they could've travelled to Andromeda way faster than 600 years and bring back the Andromeda Crew to the Milky Way. Also bringing Reaper technology to Andromeda and Meridian technology to the Milky Way.
@@SeverusHunt I've always thought this was a huge plot hole personally, considering the reapers just let the Initiative leave. Shouldn't they be worried about milky way intelligent life forms leaving the galaxy, what if they leave to escape the reaper invasion and then come back after they'd left? Wouldn't that disrupt the cycle? Equally, shouldn't they be worried about life forms from other galaxies entering the milky way?
@@SeverusHunt how would the reapers always win if they didn’t try and stop other intelligent life from fleeing? As I said, what’s to stop a race like the Protheans (hypothetically speaking) leaving the galaxy, waiting until the repears leave and then coming back? That would mess up the cycles because now the next group of races would have 50,000 years to prepare for the reapers?
@@ItsAv3rageGamer Protheans already survived the onslaught of the Reapers in the Milkyway. Ending of ME1 and Javik is the truth behind it. Maintaining a civilization advanced as theirs requires at least 1.000 of people in theory. Keeping 1.000 people in stasis pod for almost 500-1000 years without energy loss is impossible once again ME1 Illium is a great example of it. The real question is how the hack Andromeda initiative manage to maintain power for 600 years? While Prothean program Vigil inform us that the program had to shut down stasis pods of the non essential personal to reserve it's power.
@@ItsAv3rageGamer Reaper harvesting is a long process and Reapers leaves their slaves behind as well. They would need like almost wait 2.000-5.000 years to recolonize their world once again and recreate their civilization requires more time as well and they need to repopulate too. So basically they will spend their first 20.000 for reaching their potential power and by that time, Reaper knowledge will turn into a hoax and a myth. Because the only old times people knew how bad the past was. So technically nobody can prepare for Reapers technically unless you can extend the life time of 50.000
The third figure on the right doesn't look Krogan to me. To me, it looks like similar armor to a Turian... Garrus, my brotato chip? Is that you? (My Shepard, who was female btw, romanced Garrus cause I thought it'd be funny, but then it turned wholesome and I was *not* disappointed.
Interesting, I can't really see the figure on the right as turian, but am I 100% here if it's Garrus. FemShep x Garrus is one of the sleeper romances, it's awesome! Would they make a previous squadmate the protagonist though? I would love it too, but there are fans who don't like Liara, so they would lose that audience. Andromeda's combat & class system was perfect, I wouldn't alter it too much. Switching between Solider/Infiltrator, etc. provided so much versatility, it made combat epic. Andromeda had a great foundation with very poor execution. I'd like to see the Tempest crew back, but not the main focus.
@@paragonseven Actually, looking it back over in HIGH DEFINITION, I can see the Krogan armor now. I thought the top of the armor was actually the top of a Turian's head. My mistake.
@@SeverusHunt Hey everyone! We brought back Shepard (again) so that they could look for Shepard! I don't know why this made me think of that, but I like it.
Andromeda isn't as bad as people think, but does seem to be either a "loved it or hated it" type of game. I personally think it had a great foundation, but very poor execution.
At the end of the Andromeda book Annihilation. A Quarian goes back in to cryo sleep and just as he is about to close his eyes, he gets an incoming call from? No idea as the book ends there. I wonder if this could be Liara. In Annihilation I think the Quarian Ark stopped atleast 200-250 years away from the Andromeda galaxy. During that 400 years passing could have given the Milky way a massive boost in technology from the Reapers. * Please correct me if I'm wrong on the details from Annihilation, it's been a while since I read it. *
I actually haven't read Annihilation yet, but this is absolutely fascinating, I'll pick it up soon! If the call was indeed from Liara...why would she call them I wonder? Awesome stuff, thanks for sharing!
@@paragonseven With the Andromeda Initiative tech it took them 600yrs to get to Andromeda but with Reaper Tech let's say it cuts that in half or even less, but it still took 300-400 years to build. I won't spoil why the Quarian Ark was stopped but that may have given Liara and her team a chance to catch up. It's a crazy theory and I really have no concrete evidence to back this up.
They stopped about three decades away from the Andromeda galaxy. When Anax Therion awakens and she asks if they've arrived, the VI informs her that if they maintain current speed with no change in speed or course -- arrival in thirty years, five months, twelve days, sixteen hours, and four minutes.
Right looks like a Turian to me to be honest. (Hopefully) The Thick Fishbowl like neck piece, that goes slimmer the further it goes down to the hips. The legs aswell. Maybe it is Garrus. (Hopefully)
Interesting theory. I just think Kallo would be a pretty odd choice to bring along, though. I don't see him as the kind of guy who'd want to leave the seat of his ship except in an emergency. Perhaps it's a crazier theory, but if it really is a salarian from Andromeda it could be the original salarian pathfinder, Zevin Raeka? She wore orange armor (close enough to red) and I think she would fit better as someone willing to accompany Ryder in a ground mission. She was also one of the few characters from Andromeda I actually liked and it would be cool to have a female salarian in the squad. The only problem is that she can die in Andromeda as a result of Ryder's decisions, but there could be ways of circumventing that choice. I also read the comments about the person on the right being a turian and I can see a resemblance, but I can see it being a krogan as well, so who knows. I think it's the perspective, it looks too buff to be a turian (especially a female, so it's not Vetra), but too skinny for a krogan. In any case, I think we'd all prefer to see Wrex or Garrus back (preferrably both :D).
Raeka would be awesome, agreed, and more females squadmates would be great! I assume they would avoid teasing characters in physical form that could be dead in someone's playthrough. Although I also think that dead characters are in the next game, so it could be anyone haha :p Maybe the character on the right is a new species?? The upper portion of them is too bulky for me to lean turian, but I can see it a little. The legs are too close together, IMO, for a turian, just based on their hip and leg structure. I would substitute Wrex or Garrus for Drack in a heartbeat! :)
Raeka would be unlikely because she's a quantum character -- she can die during the salarian ark mission if you choose to rescue the krogan scouts instead. So if they did that, they'd be canonizing a choice.
I have a running personal theory that Andromeda is going to be treated as a spinoff. Maybe the mainline will have all the characters but in different roles due to the andromeda trip never taking place...
Yep, that's why I mentioned the krogan is the hardest to identify. I'm not confident that it is Drack, but I do think the middle character is Ryder, so I'm leaning towards Drack just based on that. Probably wrong, but there's no much to go off of.
Now I'll come up with a theory. The guy in the middle is Alec Ryder, because Andromeda never happened and the whole story was just a cryo nightmare of one of his kids, because the whole trip didn't work and the sleep ships had to turn back. Done, problem solved. 😜
I've been saying for years they need to continue with Ryder but move Shep into a mentor role. Make the new game able to import saves from both ME Legendary and Andromeda
The salarian is probably a new character while the Krogan might be Grunt because Wrex will be busy with ruling Tuchanka and all the other Krogans. Since Mass Effect games basically based around humans the middle character definitely James Vega. He is the only potential candidate for N7 program during the reaper invasion if the game is in the post era of reaper invasion, it is possible James Vega joined the N7 program after the war. In 1.43, the armor you showed is not Pathfinder armor, it is N7 armor which Ryder's father was wearing. It's N7 armor so this connection makes it very clear the middle guy is James Vega. On top of it, I think his posture is even similar to James Vega's posture as well.
Hmm the human in the middle seems a bit short and not as muscular to be James. It could be, but I can't see it. Just imagining Liara asking Grunt for help makes me smile haha 😁
@@paragonseven They are in the distance you can't distinguish a well build person and another human being like Ryder very well from the distance. Their physical build will become clear if we get closer to the character in the trailer, so James Vega is a high possibility. Otherwise the canonical order will have an issue. Also this is not the only issue because of Andromeda also there is the issue of FTL travel. Andromeda caused a very interesting lore error for the franchise. We know the tech on Milkyway actually solely rely on mass relays which is way faster than FTL speed the Normandy and other ships were using. If we consider the distance between Milkyway and Andromeda, the Andromeda initiative couldn't reach Andromeda within the designated 600 years. Let's say they reached 600 years after their departure. Then Ryder, couldn't finish the missions in his/her possible life time because travelling between systems would take actually years without mass relays. To my understanding of the lore, Andromeda initiative must be a failure because conserving the energy needed for the travel toward Andromeda would require half of the crew to be killed during the travel in order to preserve energy. They never mentioned that but highly likely half of the people died in those pods to maintain energy for the key personal.
@@mustafaozturk2542 I'm fairly certain they explained how the arks arrived in Andromeda and (from what I remember), it made sense to me when I played it. Andromeda was a lot more scientific. I think the team tried to be fairly accurate with their explanations for space travel. The Tempest was a new type of ship that the Andromeda Initiative developed that allowed Ryder to move around the systems with the same/similar speeds as FTL travel. It's explained more in the codex, but they definitely explained Andromeda ship travel.
@@SeverusHunt Yes and that's why you can see cryo pods in the Normandy! (Cryo pods are located at the entrance corridor of where Garrus calibrates the guns.) The crew sleep in those pods until the ship VI (in this case EDI) wakes the personal when the ship arrives to the system. Normandy SR-1 and SR-2 has cryo pods in the ship in order to show the accuracy toward the lore of the travel between systems.
@@paragonseven I looked it up, both Tempest and Arks uses ODSY drives which uses the build up static electricity on the cores of the ship to charge specifically designed capacitors to reuse the electricity. A clever way to minimize energy loss and extend time for cryo stasis pods being online. Then they use Hydrogen as their fuel as well. Which is clever but still Tempest is limited with 13 light year FTL speed while in Milkyway you could travel between two sides of the Galaxy within seconds with mass relays. Milkyway is 100,000 light years long in it's across each sides so tempest could cover that distance in at least around 7,000 years in it's FTL, and Andromeda is 260.000 light years across. So it would cost 20.000 years to complete it. Lacking cryostasis pods within Tempest is a major lore inconsistency. Edit: I assume 13 light year, the Tempest is traveling in a year in FTL speed if it's in hours or seconds the required time will decrease between traveling two points.
Love Liara as well, but it would be very weird if she was the protagonist. But MAYBE she's picking up the N7 helmet piece of the next protagonist.... :)
We will never play as any of the alien races unless it's multiplayer stuff because Mass Effect is the story of humanity. Liara will be just a companion but nothing more.
@ChewyPinata It was to some of you unable to get through the game for a proper critique. Andromeda is emblematic of the industry: another game put out for clout and profit but done prematurely. Andromeda might not have been horrible to some of us but I do think Bioware deserved the failure.
Liara looks much older here, so I think this takes place at least over a century later after ME3 but somewhere during the 600+ years Andromeda crew in deep sleep before they wake up. So all those silhouettes are new party members entirely. As for Shepard, I dont want them back, we should move on. But if they are gonna bring them back, then its cloning for sure. At the very least shepard A.I. hologram lol.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:29 - Salarian Identity
01:16 - Middle Character Identity
02:11 - Krogan Identity
02:53 - Liara & Andromeda Crew Connection
03:53 - Elephant In The Room
04:59 - Outro
Who do you think Liara's 3 companions are? Do we know them, and/or are they from the Tempest crew? Let's discuss, feel free to comment below! :)
I don't know what ending it is but I'm sure I've seen one where joker emergency FTLs the ship away from wherever and crash lands somewhere; idk what that has to do with what I say next: once the reapers and everything is dealt with, I don't see why Liara probably wouldn't get in a different arc and fallow after the Andromeda crew.
Even if 5 years does pass, it's nothing compared to the 500(600?) it would take to get too andromeda; the arks left during mass effect 2 somewhere, it only stands to reason that the technology developed near the end of 2 and all during 3 to combat the reapers would drastically change the way a new ark would be designed. It only took about a year or 2 to build the original arks.
Alot of money and culture went into the war with the reapers since the arks left.
As for the planet, alot of spheres of ice hanging about alot of stars out in the galaxy, there's all kinds of different planets they could be on in the teaser. Command Shepherd wasn't the only N7 that exists, just the one were most familiar with
@@reyreyes6909 Never said that Liara goes to Andromeda, simply that the Andromeda crew is with her. As to how the Andromeda crew gets back to the Milky Way is anyone's guess.
Wait, didn’t the Andromeda team leave before ME3, and spent 635 years sleeping to reach andromeda. Even with FTL travel the timelines can’t match up, it just doesn’t work especially since Andromeda had no Geth and the Milky Way lost use of all Mass Effect Jumps. So times gonna be wonky but I think the figure in the middle is an Angaran. This way you don’t just bring back a random human from a game set 300 years apart
Indeed, the timelines don't match up, but if there was a way they could...
Almost all Salarians we've ever seen are taller than humans, though.
Shiny reddish armor? I am reminded of one certain Prothean... and at the right, that guy looks like a Turian. Likely Garrus. Makes much more sense to see Liara, Garrus and Javik searching Shep rather than teleporting some Andromeda Chars hundreds of years thru time. (Also I'd much prefer this cause I never felt much love for ANdromeda and its Chars)
I did consider Javik, but the figure on the right seems very krogan to me. The upper part of their body resembles the nutrient hump krogans have. Super hard to tell though, could be anyone!
Kiirahe and Garrus on the left and right. Not sure about the middle but maybe Javik? I am seriously hoping there is not a multiverse or a mixing of Andromeda to this next installment.
Oh dang I didn't even consider the right figure being turian! It could be Javik in the middle, his posture is similar to the figure there.
@@paragonseven the legs look turian to me.
@@hopspusher3052 Interesting, I personally think that turian hip and leg structure eliminates the figure being turian.
Man I want Javik Back
@smol_pupper123 indeed maybe he even settled down with a Asari and started a Family and he just tells his daughters story's on how they used to eat primitives and fight the reapers.
Definitely a turian on the right - don’t know if it’s for nostalgia purposes but if it is really 4 years post reaper war (please let it be) and they’re searching for Shepard (please let it be also) and that if the game is set in the Milky Way (please please let it be and let us be Shepard also lol) then I think it’s most likely garrus or a prop of him, a Salarian on the left - (hold the line guy or someone to bring memories of Mordin - could again just be a prop for that sentimental feeling - worked wonders in the trailer as it is epic and brings back the vibe of the og trilogy in its music and art and style - even the Liara part - also no idea who is the middle character - don’t think any of the characters are from andromeda tbh as this was the initial teaser trailer and it had almost entirely Milky Way call backs understandably even if it did acknowledge andromeda - however if your multiverse theory is correct - and whilst I’m not completely against the idea and it does make sense what you’re saying in regards to that - I don’t think anything here in this specific part of andromeda related
The right character being turian is hard to see for me. The large upper body looks like a krogan's shoulder hump full of nutrients. I would LOVE if it was Garrus, and the grey colour scheme would match, but I can't see them as anything other than krogan.
Nothing in particular gives me Andromeda vibes except the character in the middle being Ryder. I used that as the basis for the other two.
You know what - now I feel like I can see a krogan too! However this krogan seems to have no quads - maybe he skipped leg day during the reaper war - but in all seriousness I can definitely see it being a krogan too now haha I always saw it as a Turian due to the skinny legs and just figured the guy was wide with big armour but I can see where you’re coming from now! I stand by the rest in regards to them being Milky Way characters imo - enjoy your vids and enthusiasm!
@@melman8372 This krogan definitely skipped leg day! :'D I can kinda see a turian....but it's a bit of a stretch for me. No worries, it would make MORE sense if they were from the Milky Way.
Appreciate it, thank you! :)
Looks like a salarian, human, and krogan to me. The salarian is more than likely going to be a new character since I doubt anyone would really be all excited if it were Kirrahe or Padok Wiks. Mordin is dead in either variation of ME3 where he survived ME2, so he's off the table. The middle character is the most ambiguous, again it could really be anyone - but a good bet could possibly be the Virmire Survivor, James, or perhaps one of the other human squadmates. The krogan figure is likely not going to be either Grunt or Wrex (if it is a krogan) because both of their stories are dependent on them surviving into ME3, and doubly so for Wrex being tied to Mordin's survival. There's just too many variables for BioWare to account for, and it's unlikely that they'd be willing to confirm anything as concrete canon since so much of Mass Effect's identity rests in choice.
@@theta_clips Solid analysis, I agree on the species for all three you mentioned. Project Director Gamble said on twitter that we could guess the three people. That's one of the reasons I assumed they were Tempest crew: you can't kill any of them off, removing the "player choice" out of their identities.
I'd be fine with Ryder returning like Hawk did in DAI. A companion for an important set of missions but not a permanent crew member. If the next game is set after the events of andromeda, hopefully we will see a more mature version of Ryder.
Well you all in a coment seems to forgot that Liara is on Asary actually very young they can live 1000 years same as most other spieces.They way to andromeda was about 635 years so Liara is definetly still alive and ryder was in Cryosleep so he can do it again on a way back if they figure it out somehow + there are angarans which can help with it somehow and i think Shepard could return at somepoint Cerberus already bring him back to life twice once normall second as a clon in DLC Citadell
Personally I feel that given how negative the fanbase's overall opinion of Andromera was, it would be very unwise for Bioware to have members of the Tempest crew return as our player character's companions in the next game. Especially if the next game is mostly taking place in the Milky Way. Most likely these are either completely new characters we do not know yet or some of them are from the old crew of the Normandy (like Liara) or someone we met as Shepard during the original trilogy.
Andromera will play some part in the next game, that's for sure. But whether that is a mere mention of it, some plot point for the story/quest or something else is still unknown. My personal wish would be that the new game would focus more on the aftermath of the Reaper war / rebuilding effort of the Galaxy and the inevitable power struggle after the whole chaos that was the Reaper war, with some mention/plot point in regards to Andromera, but alas we don't know anything for certain yet.
It would make the most sense to have the 3 crewmates not be from Andromeda, however, I couldn't find anyone else that matched the profiles of the 3 people, besides for the Tempest crew.
Bioware is definitely aware of the negative reception of Andromeda, so I am curious if the Tempest crew will be a large part of the next title. With all of the hints Project Director Gamble has dropped, I assume Andromeda won't be a side plot point, but rather a continuation of the cliffhangers they left open for more exploration.
Salarians aren't taller in Andromeda. Humans are taller in the OT. Look at them. They're all of heroic proportions over 6'2. You can tell by their head size. Compare Ryder with Shepard. Ryder is of average height, Shepard is a head taller.
One thing I do want to say -- you probably can't really use the in-game heights for Mordin/other trilogy salarians, as to the best of my knowledge the Unreal Engine versions used to develop ME1-3 all had a lot of trouble with generating height differences within the engine. I've read stories about how, in order to create height differences, they would have to put people on boxes or sink their legs into the floor, and then use creative camera work to make it pass muster. It's one of the reasons the Frostbite engine was really cool re: character design -- height differences! Turians and salarians and krogan were actually as tall as they were supposed to be in the lore! Drack straightening up to his full height during the bar fight scene was [chef's kiss]
I did notice the difference in heights from the trilogy to Andromeda, but didn't know it was due to the game engine, appreciate the heads up! The main thing in this video was that I assumed the human-like figure was Ryder, and worked backwards from there. Since they gave us absolutely no information, I latched onto whatever info I had (e.g. height). :)
Ahaha I remember when Drack stood up in the bar fight scene, absolutely classic! :'D
Personally i think the negative reception of andromeda, plus its physcal and temporal distance from the main game will mean it will get a soft decanonization and wont be of much consequence on the future, unless theres a lsignifcant fan demand to adress it
I really hope Andromeda plays a solid part in the next game. The trilogy will be always be superior, but there's a lot of cliffhangers left to explore there.
From what I've seen, it's about 30-40% who want to see Andromeda continue in some capacity, but I'll run a poll on the channel to see for certain. :)
I could live with that. Time for a true ME4!
This may be insignificant but in ME3 if you meet Conrad Verner, he will give a research paper talking about dark energy and it’s effects on time. That could address the temporal issue you mentioned. And even distance too if they apply some classic sci-fi mumbo jumbo.
@@olivercole1 Yeah, I was going to check that out, thanks for the heads up! ME2 & 3 have plenty of dark energy & space-time threads to examine.
I think this picture is telling is we will have 3 companions with us instead of 2
Director Gamble said the people are guessable, but I agree that we'll have 3 companions in the next game.
I think it's unlikely.
1) It assumes BioWare's targeted audience are those who played Andromeda which is unlikely to happen since BioWare can attract more people by adhering the game towards the trilogy audience, especially because the game takes place in the Milky Way.
2) Ryder and his squad mates are Andromeda characters. If you bring them in to helm the Milky Way story, it would completely make the whole story of Andromeda pointless. What's the point in going to Andromeda if they are just gonna return anyway? I would rather want them to stay in Andromeda since BioWare could use them for future games should they decide to continue that story.
Both excellent points! This analysis was purely on who the characters resemble, and the connection between them and Liara.
Andromeda's story seems limited (in my eyes) which is why I think they might bring the characters over, but it's Bioware's call. How they can possibly pull off a sequel to both the trilogy and Andromeda, and not have them in the same area of space, is going to be very interesting.
This isn't the Bioware of the glory days. They'll find some way to lazily crowbar anything and everything into it to satisfy the mob. It sounds like I don't like them. I do but let's be honest, they're very spineless now in their writing and there's absolutely no way they'd have the backbone to go through with sticking to their guns.
Looking forward to the explanation
Yo actually it’s funny, the algorithm showed more ME videos like usual and I saw one about how Conrad Verner had a research paper on dark energy, and its effects on time dilation. Is that the explanation? Because that maybe a pretty interesting little plot thread that could connect Andromeda to the Milky Way.
First off, 'That's a straw Tali.'
Secondly, is everyone just going to ignore that in its current state, the EA app is not suitable for the next installment of Mass Effect for PC? Bioware is making a non-multiplayer game, so why would/should it have to be tied to a game launcher that has been kicking people out of gaming sessions while offline? Also, you have to login for what seems like every 12 seconds in offline mode, and that's if you can get the offline mode to even work. Ridiculous.
If you have no clue what I'm talking about and you plan of buying the next Mass Effect on PC, I suggest you look into the EA app issues players have been having since being forced to switch from Origin to it.
The entire straw conversation never fails to make me smile. :)
I've have the Legendary Edition on Playstation, so unfortunately can't speak to the servers for PC. Hopefully they can figure out the issues before the next game launches.
@@paragonseven When it comes to Electronic Arts fixing things, I've learned to not hold my breath.
I wouldnt be mad if they brought back Reyes Vidal...
Oh boy, good ol' Reyes. I got so duped by him! The betrayal was REAL. 😂
It never made much sense to me that the Reapers needed to go to “sleep” for 50000 years in the Dark Space after invading the Milky Way. I would assume they don’t just invade the Milky Way but also other galaxies like Andromeda. We know the Jardaan (the creators of Meridian and the Angara) “lived” 400 years ago. Maybe after invading the Milky Way the Reapers invaded Andromeda next (while the arcs were in their way to Andromeda) and the Jardaan fought against them, causing the Scourge in the process hoping to defeat them. But I’m assuming they lost anyway.
That would also explain though, why so many structures on the planets in Andromeda have huge underground facilities, almost as if they wanted to hide their civilization under the surface of the planets from the Reapers above the surface. And once the Reapers were gone, activating those structures should make the planets habitable again so that they could go back to the surface.
From the voice records in the quarters of Alec Ryder in Mass Effect Andromeda we know Bioware picked the ME3 ending where the Reapers won and destroyed everything in the Milky Way galaxy. That doesn't necessarily mean though no one survived. Just like the Prothean Javik in ME3, Liara could've survived in cryo stasis, not having physically aged. Maybe together with even more survivors waiting for the Reapers to return to the Dark Space and then rebuilding the civilization, finding dead Reapers and using their technology to build faster ships, they could've travelled to Andromeda way faster than 600 years and bring back the Andromeda Crew to the Milky Way. Also bringing Reaper technology to Andromeda and Meridian technology to the Milky Way.
@@SeverusHunt I've always thought this was a huge plot hole personally, considering the reapers just let the Initiative leave.
Shouldn't they be worried about milky way intelligent life forms leaving the galaxy, what if they leave to escape the reaper invasion and then come back after they'd left? Wouldn't that disrupt the cycle? Equally, shouldn't they be worried about life forms from other galaxies entering the milky way?
@@SeverusHunt how would the reapers always win if they didn’t try and stop other intelligent life from fleeing?
As I said, what’s to stop a race like the Protheans (hypothetically speaking) leaving the galaxy, waiting until the repears leave and then coming back? That would mess up the cycles because now the next group of races would have 50,000 years to prepare for the reapers?
@@ItsAv3rageGamer Protheans already survived the onslaught of the Reapers in the Milkyway. Ending of ME1 and Javik is the truth behind it. Maintaining a civilization advanced as theirs requires at least 1.000 of people in theory. Keeping 1.000 people in stasis pod for almost 500-1000 years without energy loss is impossible once again ME1 Illium is a great example of it.
The real question is how the hack Andromeda initiative manage to maintain power for 600 years? While Prothean program Vigil inform us that the program had to shut down stasis pods of the non essential personal to reserve it's power.
@@ItsAv3rageGamer Reaper harvesting is a long process and Reapers leaves their slaves behind as well. They would need like almost wait 2.000-5.000 years to recolonize their world once again and recreate their civilization requires more time as well and they need to repopulate too. So basically they will spend their first 20.000 for reaching their potential power and by that time, Reaper knowledge will turn into a hoax and a myth. Because the only old times people knew how bad the past was. So technically nobody can prepare for Reapers technically unless you can extend the life time of 50.000
The third figure on the right doesn't look Krogan to me. To me, it looks like similar armor to a Turian... Garrus, my brotato chip? Is that you? (My Shepard, who was female btw, romanced Garrus cause I thought it'd be funny, but then it turned wholesome and I was *not* disappointed.
Interesting, I can't really see the figure on the right as turian, but am I 100% here if it's Garrus. FemShep x Garrus is one of the sleeper romances, it's awesome!
Would they make a previous squadmate the protagonist though? I would love it too, but there are fans who don't like Liara, so they would lose that audience. Andromeda's combat & class system was perfect, I wouldn't alter it too much. Switching between Solider/Infiltrator, etc. provided so much versatility, it made combat epic.
Andromeda had a great foundation with very poor execution. I'd like to see the Tempest crew back, but not the main focus.
@@paragonseven Actually, looking it back over in HIGH DEFINITION, I can see the Krogan armor now. I thought the top of the armor was actually the top of a Turian's head. My mistake.
@@SigilWizardClassic The top part I assumed was krogan armour as well. And unless the turian is pretty tall, it doesn't proportionally make sense.
@@SeverusHunt Hey everyone! We brought back Shepard (again) so that they could look for Shepard!
I don't know why this made me think of that, but I like it.
Joker, I hope.
Grunt or wrex is the krogan
The human character Kaiden/Ashley
Salaries is someone new
Full Normandy crewmates would be awesome :)
As one of the 5 people who absolutely loved andromeda i want nothing more that to see the tempest crew in the next game😭
Andromeda isn't as bad as people think, but does seem to be either a "loved it or hated it" type of game. I personally think it had a great foundation, but very poor execution.
I loved it too, you are not alone
Andromeda is Just fucking great and im still sad that WE will never See a Andromeda 2
@@infernoblade1269 DLC with Mrs Ryder and the other arks would have been great!
"My face is tired."
That is the epitome of bad script writing. It's like how Paragon said, "...great foundation, but very poor execution."
At the end of the Andromeda book Annihilation. A Quarian goes back in to cryo sleep and just as he is about to close his eyes, he gets an incoming call from? No idea as the book ends there. I wonder if this could be Liara. In Annihilation I think the Quarian Ark stopped atleast 200-250 years away from the Andromeda galaxy. During that 400 years passing could have given the Milky way a massive boost in technology from the Reapers. * Please correct me if I'm wrong on the details from Annihilation, it's been a while since I read it. *
I actually haven't read Annihilation yet, but this is absolutely fascinating, I'll pick it up soon! If the call was indeed from Liara...why would she call them I wonder? Awesome stuff, thanks for sharing!
@@paragonseven With the Andromeda Initiative tech it took them 600yrs to get to Andromeda but with Reaper Tech let's say it cuts that in half or even less, but it still took 300-400 years to build. I won't spoil why the Quarian Ark was stopped but that may have given Liara and her team a chance to catch up. It's a crazy theory and I really have no concrete evidence to back this up.
@@gamesadergaming1321 Haha all good, I'm here for all the crazy theories! I'll definitely check it out and see what's up.
They stopped about three decades away from the Andromeda galaxy. When Anax Therion awakens and she asks if they've arrived, the VI informs her that if they maintain current speed with no change in speed or course -- arrival in thirty years, five months, twelve days, sixteen hours, and four minutes.
Right looks like a Turian to me to be honest. (Hopefully)
The Thick Fishbowl like neck piece, that goes slimmer the further it goes down to the hips. The legs aswell.
Maybe it is Garrus. (Hopefully)
If it was Garrus I would throw a freakin' party! 😁
Interesting theory. I just think Kallo would be a pretty odd choice to bring along, though. I don't see him as the kind of guy who'd want to leave the seat of his ship except in an emergency. Perhaps it's a crazier theory, but if it really is a salarian from Andromeda it could be the original salarian pathfinder, Zevin Raeka? She wore orange armor (close enough to red) and I think she would fit better as someone willing to accompany Ryder in a ground mission. She was also one of the few characters from Andromeda I actually liked and it would be cool to have a female salarian in the squad. The only problem is that she can die in Andromeda as a result of Ryder's decisions, but there could be ways of circumventing that choice.
I also read the comments about the person on the right being a turian and I can see a resemblance, but I can see it being a krogan as well, so who knows. I think it's the perspective, it looks too buff to be a turian (especially a female, so it's not Vetra), but too skinny for a krogan. In any case, I think we'd all prefer to see Wrex or Garrus back (preferrably both :D).
Raeka would be awesome, agreed, and more females squadmates would be great! I assume they would avoid teasing characters in physical form that could be dead in someone's playthrough. Although I also think that dead characters are in the next game, so it could be anyone haha :p
Maybe the character on the right is a new species?? The upper portion of them is too bulky for me to lean turian, but I can see it a little. The legs are too close together, IMO, for a turian, just based on their hip and leg structure. I would substitute Wrex or Garrus for Drack in a heartbeat! :)
Raeka would be unlikely because she's a quantum character -- she can die during the salarian ark mission if you choose to rescue the krogan scouts instead. So if they did that, they'd be canonizing a choice.
I have a running personal theory that Andromeda is going to be treated as a spinoff. Maybe the mainline will have all the characters but in different roles due to the andromeda trip never taking place...
As much as I didn't enjoy Andromeda plot-wise, I do think there's potential to explore there still. It would be a shame to ignore it entirely.
Im so hyped for the MilkyMeda connection
Same! Liara is the key, somehow. Who knows how they'll pull it off though!
But "Drake's" suit in the photo doesn't look like his. Not saying it is but it doesn't seem like in the pic there is no bones on the suit
My honest hope it's Grunt bue to there not being definitive colors and the suit also suits Grunts' tight suit designs
Yep, that's why I mentioned the krogan is the hardest to identify. I'm not confident that it is Drack, but I do think the middle character is Ryder, so I'm leaning towards Drack just based on that. Probably wrong, but there's no much to go off of.
Now I'll come up with a theory.
The guy in the middle is Alec Ryder, because Andromeda never happened and the whole story was just a cryo nightmare of one of his kids, because the whole trip didn't work and the sleep ships had to turn back.
Done, problem solved. 😜
Amazing :') Andromeda did feel like a cryo nightmare at times, won't deny that.
I've been saying for years they need to continue with Ryder but move Shep into a mentor role. Make the new game able to import saves from both ME Legendary and Andromeda
Ryder was as interesting as a house brick.
@@patrickspaceman305 it's how you play it my guy. My Ryder was hilarious and quick witted in my playthrough 🤷🏻♂️ we can't all like the same shit
Shep as Ryder's mentor would be awesome. I'm not sure if two save files can be imported, but if so, that would be ideal.
They do it with Dragon Age's The Keep. It keeps track of DA, DA2 and DAI choices. @@paragonseven
The salarian is probably a new character while the Krogan might be Grunt because Wrex will be busy with ruling Tuchanka and all the other Krogans. Since Mass Effect games basically based around humans the middle character definitely James Vega. He is the only potential candidate for N7 program during the reaper invasion if the game is in the post era of reaper invasion, it is possible James Vega joined the N7 program after the war. In 1.43, the armor you showed is not Pathfinder armor, it is N7 armor which Ryder's father was wearing. It's N7 armor so this connection makes it very clear the middle guy is James Vega. On top of it, I think his posture is even similar to James Vega's posture as well.
Hmm the human in the middle seems a bit short and not as muscular to be James. It could be, but I can't see it. Just imagining Liara asking Grunt for help makes me smile haha 😁
@@paragonseven They are in the distance you can't distinguish a well build person and another human being like Ryder very well from the distance. Their physical build will become clear if we get closer to the character in the trailer, so James Vega is a high possibility. Otherwise the canonical order will have an issue. Also this is not the only issue because of Andromeda also there is the issue of FTL travel.
Andromeda caused a very interesting lore error for the franchise. We know the tech on Milkyway actually solely rely on mass relays which is way faster than FTL speed the Normandy and other ships were using. If we consider the distance between Milkyway and Andromeda, the Andromeda initiative couldn't reach Andromeda within the designated 600 years. Let's say they reached 600 years after their departure. Then Ryder, couldn't finish the missions in his/her possible life time because travelling between systems would take actually years without mass relays.
To my understanding of the lore, Andromeda initiative must be a failure because conserving the energy needed for the travel toward Andromeda would require half of the crew to be killed during the travel in order to preserve energy. They never mentioned that but highly likely half of the people died in those pods to maintain energy for the key personal.
@@mustafaozturk2542 I'm fairly certain they explained how the arks arrived in Andromeda and (from what I remember), it made sense to me when I played it.
Andromeda was a lot more scientific. I think the team tried to be fairly accurate with their explanations for space travel.
The Tempest was a new type of ship that the Andromeda Initiative developed that allowed Ryder to move around the systems with the same/similar speeds as FTL travel. It's explained more in the codex, but they definitely explained Andromeda ship travel.
@@SeverusHunt Yes and that's why you can see cryo pods in the Normandy! (Cryo pods are located at the entrance corridor of where Garrus calibrates the guns.) The crew sleep in those pods until the ship VI (in this case EDI) wakes the personal when the ship arrives to the system. Normandy SR-1 and SR-2 has cryo pods in the ship in order to show the accuracy toward the lore of the travel between systems.
@@paragonseven I looked it up, both Tempest and Arks uses ODSY drives which uses the build up static electricity on the cores of the ship to charge specifically designed capacitors to reuse the electricity. A clever way to minimize energy loss and extend time for cryo stasis pods being online. Then they use Hydrogen as their fuel as well. Which is clever but still Tempest is limited with 13 light year FTL speed while in Milkyway you could travel between two sides of the Galaxy within seconds with mass relays. Milkyway is 100,000 light years long in it's across each sides so tempest could cover that distance in at least around 7,000 years in it's FTL, and Andromeda is 260.000 light years across. So it would cost 20.000 years to complete it. Lacking cryostasis pods within Tempest is a major lore inconsistency.
Edit: I assume 13 light year, the Tempest is traveling in a year in FTL speed if it's in hours or seconds the required time will decrease between traveling two points.
I hope we arnt playing as liara! Love her as a character but she just isn’t that guy
Love Liara as well, but it would be very weird if she was the protagonist. But MAYBE she's picking up the N7 helmet piece of the next protagonist.... :)
We will never play as any of the alien races unless it's multiplayer stuff because Mass Effect is the story of humanity. Liara will be just a companion but nothing more.
please god no
@@Ray.M.12345 andromeda was a mistake that needs to disappear.
Andromeda sucked so much, Ryder came all the way back to the Milky Way
Hopefully not..Andromeda was cancer.
@Mrs-Trollboobs5dk it was, I just could not make it pass the second mission without dying from cringe dialogue, boring story and antagonis
@ChewyPinata It was to some of you unable to get through the game for a proper critique.
Andromeda is emblematic of the industry: another game put out for clout and profit but done prematurely. Andromeda might not have been horrible to some of us but I do think Bioware deserved the failure.
It was due to being rush.
pls dont be true
not buying this one. too far of a travel
Bro i think your smoking something
Liara looks much older here, so I think this takes place at least over a century later after ME3 but somewhere during the 600+ years Andromeda crew in deep sleep before they wake up.
So all those silhouettes are new party members entirely.
As for Shepard, I dont want them back, we should move on. But if they are gonna bring them back, then its cloning for sure. At the very least shepard A.I. hologram lol.
I can see it being true.