Mass Effect 5: The Mind-Blowing Truth Behind The Jardaan
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Every Mass Effect fan knows the true identities of the Jardaan, I just didn't realize it until I saw Director Gamble's tweet. I dive into who the Jardaan really are, how it makes sense, and the potential identity of the Benefactor.
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📖 Chapters
00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Jaardan Basics
02:29 - Gamble's Jaardan Tweet
03:49 - Hybrid Protheans
04:58 - Mind-Blown Reason #1
06:00 - Mind-Blown Reason #2
06:56 - Mind-Blown Reason #3 (Benefactor)
08:55 - Mind-Blown Reason #4
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After literally figuring out mid-script that that Benefactor might be Prothean...I think I'm finally ready to start my second Andromeda playthrough.
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It is also important to note that Prothean isn't really a name for the species. Many races that were forced to join the Prothean Empire were considered Prothean. So Jaardan can be Prothean but also stem from another Prothean Empire member species.
Solid point, I didn't consider this. I'll keep this in mind on my second playthrough of Andromeda.
Protheans don't like A.I. so why build Machines....depended on said A.I.
Along with @craigharris41 comment, Javik's Protheans hated AI. "The Opposition" were hunting the Jaardan and possibly created the scourge. With conversations with Javik it makes more sense that they would create the scourge to attack AI rather than use it. Second, the Prothmans liked to force lesser species into the empire, kind of like the Kett. If the Protheans are involved, it would make more cultural sense to be either the Kett or "The Opposition". @@paragonseven
@@craigharris41 maybe this is the reason for why the Protheans don't like AI. At first it was fine then like the Geth there was an uprising of sorts.
It goes way deeper than that. Prothean was a name made up my humans (Mass Effect: Revelations). Oh, and the moon is terraformed and Volus don't wear full body suites anmd breath oxygen, its just under pressure... The codex does not exist until Shepard and the player learn it... Anyway, the proper name of the species we know as prothean was never identified by any of the species that discovered 'their' tech. Why is it used by all the species if Humans made up the name? More importantly, why is it accepted directly by the alien it was invented for without hesitation... While you are chewing on that, Andromeda is not what it seems in the slightest. It take place both directly after ME3 and also before it by billions of years. It's also a metaphor, not an actual place. Nobody went there, it's a construct to traverse a hostile environment with the aid of an AI to learn something specific... Just like Shepard's story, which tried to guide Shepard through a trial of the mind, the story of Andromeda is trying to tell the player and the PC something very specific. If you pay careful attention, you can even pick up on the fact that Ryder is not only a 'normie' as Bioware explained early on in development; they would not be ranked or special like Shep, but Andromeda is not even 'their' story. They are experiencing it, just like the player, but they are NOT the protagonist. There isn't one. As Harbinger... I mean the Archon said, it's as if we never existed...
If the rest of the Protheans viewed AI and synthetics the same way Jaavik did, then the Jaardan may have left due a conflict or to avoid one with the rest of Protheans society.
Yep, I was thinking along the same lines. They thought differently than the rest, and saw that they couldn't win against the Reapers, so decided to leave and start their own Empire.
I am glad to find a content creator who gives ME Andromeda the respect it deserves.
Fun fact: I heavily disliked Andromeda on my first playthrough. But upon further reflection, and time, I'm looking forward to my second playthrough. :)
In ME3, Javik mentions that Prothean is a blanket term for every species that joined their empire; it's definitely possible that the Jaardan are just one of the independent races that made up the empire, maybe even the race Javik himself was from.
Idk if this ties into the theory much, but the nature of Remtech requiring a synthetic-organic hybrid, and being focused on terraforming, reminds me a lot of the Zha who Javik mentions. He says they "lived on a dying world; it was beyond their ability to save, so they resorted to implants to enhance their intelligence." He later describes these implants, the Zha'til, as "synthetic symbiotes". To me, this sounds very similar to Remtech; symbiote-dependent technology that could terraform a dying world. Javik also mentions that "their mechanical swarms blotted out the sky", which lines up with how several Remnant enemies, even Architects, can hover/fly.
Although he said the Protheans stopped them by sending their star into supernova, it's always possible some, well, *remnants* of them survived.
YOO OK I totally missed that but you might be onto something! I'll add this to my notes on the theory, thanks for pointing this out! 👍
Just because the Ryders need to have an on-board AI to interface with RemTech, that doesn't necessarily mean that the Jaardan or any other advanced species would have to - they may have natural brains that simply dwarf what humans are normally capable of. Seems more likely that the Jaardan may really be the Leviathans who escaped from their own rogue AI that was running the Reapers in the Milky Way. One or two of them left behind in hiding could easily be "The Benefactor" too, who could easily manipulate any of the lesser races into interfacing with the Andromeda Initiative for them. (Much more easily than any lingering Prothein could). Jen Garison maybe found this out and thus had to die for some unknown plot reason?
I'm reluctant to believe the Jaardan are the Leviathans. I (vaguely) remember hearing the Jaardan speak in the game (not sure if I'm misremembering this though), and their speech didn't seem like the booming Reaper/Leviathan speech.
They also might not be hybrid Protheans with AI specifically. But I do think they're different somehow. Won't know until I pay attention in my second playthrough / the next Mass Effect.
Personally like the idea it could be the Zha'til. They were hybrids and they were enslaved by the reapers like the geth were. Who's to say like the Geth some managed to not be enslaved. They could have fled knowing the protheans or reapers would wipe them out.
Alternatively if it's protheans they don't necessarily even need AI since they developed differently able to interface with technology in ways later races couldn't even comprehend.
I always had this lingering idea that it was an offset reaper faction that didn't want to continue destroying life and instead took the combined knowledge of all the races to create the Angara. They had the technology to Travers dark space and all genetic memories. I have nothing to substantiate this besides vibes.
I am here for the vibes alone. :) If the Jaardan were Reapers, I'd be very surprised. It'd be very cool to have some more nuance added to the Reapers as a whole.
There has to be some level of advanced AI involved considering the only reason the Initiative was able to make it to Andromeda was because of the Geth.
This is an interesting theory, but it has me kind of torn. On the one hand, Gamble's tweet is suggestive, and that would definitely explain why the aesthetics are so similar. On the other hand, when you're on Havarl, there are old statues on some of the structures opposite the monolith, specifically where you meet with the ascetics (I can't remember what the group was called, but they sit around ruminating on the past). If you bring Jaal, he will look at the statues and say with surprise and a little wonder "Is this what we used to look like?" They look Angaran, and yet, slightly different. I've always wondered if they were actually statues of the Jardaan. It seems fairly intuitive that the Jardaan would make their creation resemble themselves (though I admit, that's merely an assumption). There's also the last message of the Jardaan to consider: "We will return. We will continue the process of renewal." It implies that their goal was a return to some prior state, perhaps a lost "golden age". I've no notion how that would be true if the Jardaan were Protheans--how terraforming Heleus and creating the Angara would be a Prothean "renewal". Still, watching Liara fangirl over a Prothean scientist would be too adorable for words.
Yeah it's things like the Havarl statues that I completely missed on my first playthrough. Like I mentioned, I won't be able to confirm the theory until I go through the game again with this theory in mind.
The process of renewal line is interesting because that, to me, sounds like they *could* be trying to renew the Prothean empire. They made the angarans because they're used to having slave races...perhaps?
Regardless, I'm very excited to start my second Andromeda playthrough, and I never thought I'd be saying those words! 😁
@@paragonseven I'm curious to see what you think after you've finished replaying the main questline. There are a couple of interesting narrative tidbits you uncover at the Meridian control tower--not Meridian itself, but the place where the vault signals converge. And good luck on the next playthrough!
What if instead of a new group of Protheans that augmented theirselves with AI, it was a pre establishing AI/organic species. The Zha'til, a species that existed at the same time as the Protheans that fused with symbiotic AI. When the Reapers showed up they took control of the AI. Maybe some of them managed to escape the Milkyway and become the Jardaan. Or a group of Protheans managed to take that idea, or the tech it’s self, to become the Jardaan.
Before finishing the video, my mind went here. This. According to Javik, the Metacon War took off before the Reaper invasion, and the Protheans destroyed their star (at some point). Where else would they go? Though there is some conflict as to whether the Zha'til became truly corrupted before or after the Reapers arrived; obviously the Reapers meddled in galactic affairs before their arrival via Sovereign or whomever was their vanguard of the cycle, but yeah...this would be the best fit of any race previously mentioned in canon.
Sorry for the long ramble. Someone has already probably mentioned this but the Protheans were more than just one species. They were colonizers that either included another species or exterminated them. It could simply be that the Protheans stole their tech from a species they tried to colonize or more likely exterminate because Javik wanted all AI to be killed off. If a species had already AI or AI like capabilities, it seems to reason Javik's people would want them destroyed so leaving the Milky Way would of been a path for them to live. Javik talks about how they had their own AI war because of people like the Quarians. The Kett have more in common with the Prothean society than the Jaardan. I think it is hilarious how people start to point out that Asari are like the Kett. I still think the Asari will be the big bad at the end of the story. After all, the Asari always knew about the weapon to stop the Reapers but kept that knowledge to themselves because they didn't want to share the prothean tech they had squirreled away.
The one huge hole in all of this is enemy that the Jaardan are fleeing from. I absolutely loved Andromeda even with it's bad parts. I still want to space the Liam character. The only saving grace for Liam's writer is the Star Wars easter eggs. So if I am remembering this all correctly, the Jaardan ran from Andromeda when their enemy came after them with their scourge creating weapons. I even think there was something about them coming back to finish when it was safe. It makes you wonder if the Jaardan were up to no good. It is kind of funny that another human stumbles in and completely throws everything in chaos. Although if your correct with the benefactor being a Jaardan, will they be happy with the chaos or upset that Alex is gone? The benefactor must of had some plans on how to control the Ryder family.
I so hope they learned how much everyone loved having abilities outside a forced box. I think Ryder was so much more fun in combat than Shepard ever was because we could play the way we wanted. As a side not here, I would love it if Bioware was more like Bethesda in having open class abilities and 1st person while Bethesda should definitely learn how to make better companions, backstories like Bioware. Starfield is great fun but dealing with those companions more than once was rather painful.
During your playthrough carefully go over what the AI you find says. It specifically says that the AI's creators were nothing like the Angaron. After finding Meridian, the AI disappears but I really hope that if we saved it, it was just relocated and not by the Kett. Things disappearing without the pc noticing bother me. Like in DAI, if you left Alistair in the fade and you sided with the mages, his mother disappeared from the Keep after you told her he was left behind. I the player understood why but the pc was oblivious to it.
So I probably made no sense in my rambling. I can see the Prothean stealing technology they find useful from a species and that same species fleeing from extermination to another Galaxy. The time difference is easy to explain because Andromeda was definitely not their home galaxy. Why would you terriform an entire galaxy if you were already thriving there unless you had already destroyed it but were coming back to fix it? Could explain the buried AI. It could also explain why Prothean tech was plug and play while the species that originally created the tech made it so being like them is how you accessed it. The Angaron used electricity produced by their body but only through 'muscle or genetic memory' were able to access it to use on remnant tech. Sam's fusing with Ryder enabled them to access the tech like the Angaron but with the ability to learn from it.
Appreciate your thoughts! I'll keep an eye out for the AI in my second playthrough. 👍
An interesting theory. Although there is the issue that, when conversing with Javik in ME3, we learned that the Prothean Empire was extremely against AI and technology and fought the Meticon war against synthetics. The only way the Milky Way had intuition enough into Andromeda was because of the relay telescope, which was a Geth creation after the time of the Protheans. Still, it's a really interesting theory and seems like it could be plausible. The Protheans were shown to be very interested in cultivation of other less advanced sentient species. Although I don't recall anything in their remaining artifacts that gave evidence of their advancement on terraforming technology, but that could be a result of the reapers attempts to harvest and wipe clean their technology. But there is one piece of very vital technology the Protheans developed and would play a crucial role into the Initiatives plans to colonize Andromeda and that came to light in the very first game. And that magicaly crucial technology is... Cryogenic Stasis Pods! Ilos had lots of leftover technology for extended stasis chambers that would be crucial to the success of such a long extension of interstellar travel AND isn't it also a little convenient that the Protheans had such technology before or just in time for a reaper invasion? With the Mass Relays and FTL advancement the would have been little need or cause to develop cyro stasis chambers that could keep a subject alive for, in Javik's case, 50,000 years. Granted, the war could have been the driving force to push that number to such an extreme, but the point was that the Protheans already had technology in pace for extended periods of cryo sleep long pass the time it would take for interstellar space travel in their home galaxy... Just a thought to help validate your theory.
Appreciate the thought! This theory is obviously very new for me, so I'll look out for little things like the cryo pods on subsequent playthroughs.
Not everything adds up right now, but I do think that it's plausible, and the Gamble tweet is enough to get me thinking about it further.
@@paragonseven Just another thought. The Prothean empire was composed of other races, subjugated by Javik's race. Since it would have been hard to run a secret project like the Andromeda Initiative without the Prothean regime knowing about it before the war, it could be possible that another race used the Reaper invasion as an opportunity to work on such a project. It was revealed by the VI program on Thesia that the Reaper cycles were already known by the empire... And Vigil on Ilos did say that whenever the Reapers invaded, all star systems were cut off from one another. So perhaps another of the races more sympathetic to AI and synthetic sentience could have taken the opportunity to isolate themselves in a system rich with resources to jump start a project they had been working on in secret, perhaps as a way to escape both the Reapers AND the tyranny of the Protheans. Or Perhaps there was a plan to go to Andromeda, set up terraforming, and return to the Milky Way before the next invasion... Even if it took 1,000 years to get there and back, and another 20,000 years to cultivate Andromeda, they would still be back long before the next cycle would have begun. And maybe that's what happened with the Benefactor. But something obviously went wrong or too much time had passed due to complacency and that led to the Scourge issue and why the Benefactor was so illusive... They couldn't risk a full invasion fleet without inciting a war with other races or it would have tipped off Sovereign, the Sentinel left behind to monitor the Milky Way situation during the mid cycle. Oh, and thanks for your videos... Getting theories like this and opening the thoughts and speculations is really fun and helps keep the Universe of Mass Effect alive. Much appreciated.
@@Ocelot812010 No worries, appreciate your enthusiasm! There's really an infinite number of possibilities with who the Jaardan could be, including the theory you mentioned here.
I'm not too familiar with the Javik convos about the races during his time, but I'll try and pay closer attention to see if anything stands out to me.
I've been hesitant to play through Andromeda but I'll get to it one of these days 😤good job on the video you're crushing it!
I fully get why you're hesitant, but it does deserve a chance, and it's usually at a very reasonable price. I have a strong feeling it's going to be a very important part of the next Mass Effect, so I'll give it a few playthroughs before it comes out.
And thanks for the kind words! 🫡
One thing I just realized because I started playing Andromeda again is that you may really be onto something on the fact that whoever the guard Dan are they’re using terraforming machines that turn inhospitable planets into something that would be comfortable for a human to live on which makes sense considering proteins and humans needed similar types of planets and environments to survive
When I played Andromeda for the first time, I always thought that the Protheans may have had influence on the architecture of the Jardaan. There is also nothing that would suggest this not being the case. After replaying ME3 recently again I remember how Javik mentioned that due to the Reapers having captured the Citadel and therefore shutdown the government/council the remaining Protheans were isolated and had no idea what the others were doing. So It could be that a splinter group of Protheans actually ended up experimenting with AI and in combination with their Stasis technology found a way to escape the milky way galaxy, since there is nothing that would contradict that. It has also been proven that the Reapers weren't always successful in their harvests, since we have a Prothean AND the Leviathans that survived, the latter for millions of years even.
My theory knowing all that:
The Jardaan (Splinter group of the Protheans) came to the Andromeda galaxy fearing that the Reapers could not be defeated and started terraforming planets in order to migrate the remaining species of the milky way galaxy into the Andromeda galaxy, away from the Reapers. The benefactors are a group of Protheans that have been hiding all this time within the milky way galaxy, similar to the Leviathans and have been disguised as other species.
A bigger trip would be like with the Inusannon it goes back farther just like the Crucible did.
The Question I’ve Been Wondering For so long is about the Jardaan, Thank you for this
I dont see how the andromeda initiative would have been able to see what the sector looked like real time before they left, andromeda is millions of light years away, so the Jaardan could have arived or even started their civilization in the millions of years the scans were behind by.
Luckily for this, the protheans escaping the harvest/ protheans in general fall well into this time frame.
Damn. I haven't thought about it, not even a bit, but I can't unsee it anymore. Jeez, you did good child, you did good! 🤯
Sitting here laughing at the "you did good child" 🤣🤣
@@paragonseven 😜😁😉
Protheans didn't have to elude the Reapers for so long. They could've left in their cycle. But if their drive/engine were much slower/damaged they could've been in stasis flying to Andromeda close to 50k years and arrived centuries before the Milky War races did.
Even if it took the Protheans Ten times as long To make the trip, They would still be established in the andromeda galaxy for tens of thousands of years, And habitation would be obvious when the initiative scanned the cluster.
@@uncleanunicorn4571 We don't know what kind of drive they used. We don't know what resources they had on hand. Especially if they left during the Reaper War when the Relay Network was switched off. It's entirely plausible to have them using some cobbled together tech as a last ditch effort to escape the war that made them travel "slow" for tens of thousands of years in stasis as this was still preferable to being harvested.
This. Or maybe they used Heleus as a laboratory hence it's not so crowded.
I know I've given Andromeda a hard time...but I think I'm finally ready, and even a little excited, to start my second playthrough. 😤
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Jaardan Basics
02:29 - Gamble's Jaardan Tweet
03:49 - Hybrid Protheans
04:58 - Mind-Blown Reason #1
06:00 - Mind-Blown Reason #2
06:56 - Mind-Blown Reason #3 (Benefactor)
08:55 - Mind-Blown Reason #4
I know I gave it a hard time when it released, but decided to give it a second chance a few years later, and with some much needed mods, it was good (and I enjoyed the ending lol). Is it as good as 1-3? No, but it's better than when it first came out, especially the gameplay and how they did the profiles. So much freedom with those profiles (Explorer's my favorite). I have a few gripes about the game, but they're pretty minor tbh, and I've learned to deal with them when I was playing it on console before getting a better PC. I wished we could've done the planned DLCs for it. Maybe one day, Bioware will re-release it with a lot of improvements and tweaks, and include those DLCs they were going to do.
@@N7.Tenebris My hope is that the DLCs will be the first part of the next Mass Effect XD
Where’s the Quarian Ark DLC?
@@KellyKMc Hiding in the next Mass Effect...👀
I just listened to the conversation with Vigil on Ilos again. Vigil mentiones that the scientists on Ilos were researching mass relays and even made a smaller version of one (the Conduit). Vigil also goes on to mention that the scientists used the conduit to get to the Citadel and turn off the reaper signal but does not know what happened to them and assumes they died because there was no food or water there. Now, this can explain how they got to Andromeda. They could have used the Citadel and moved it (we know it can move because of ME3). Then, they could have built a small-scale version of a ship that uses a mass effect field and got to Andromeda (because in last years' trailer to me the mass relay looked more like a ship than a regular relay, like it was movable). Humanity could have discovered the blueprints and decided to make their own movable mass relay to get to Andromeda). In addition, the scientists on Ilos were top-tier so it could be possible they managed to merge themselves somehow with AI. This is just a theory.
Sorry for the long post 😅
Interesting theory! I'll try and re-visit this after all the N7 day breakdown stuff.
I’m currently doing a new playthrough……and now my mind is blown. New theory unlocked. 4:18
Enjoy your playthrough! And maybe keep an eye out for any mentions of the Jaardan. 👀
I think someone else said it down-thread, but don't forget that the Prothean empire had multiple species as subjects/members.
So "Prothean" could just mean "member of the empire", but not necessarily of Jaavik's species.
Maybe one or more of these subject-species made it out of the Milky Way during the final war?
Also, IIRC they'd fought against an AI race before the Reapers --They probably learned a thing or thee about organic/machine interfacing and AI.
What AI race would that be? What pointed you to that? I haven’t noticed any indicators of that :) So I’m curious.
@@rickbiessman6084 Javik talks about something called the Metacon War, before his time's extinction-cycle started --they'd fought an AI species, but its name escapes me ATM.
@@66BeanshitOk, thanks. I missed that. Interesting to know. =)
The way i also thought of the protheans being behind the creation of the angara while playing andromeda, great minds think alike ;)
Ayoo! Glad to know I'm not the only one! 👊
Very interesting thoughts, I'm looking forward to my 2nd Andromeda playthrough.......after my 3rd ME.
I only recently found your videos and am really enjoying them, thanks. I can imagine the time and thought that must go into these.
I like your enthusiasm for Mass Effect and your humour.....particularly enjoyed ME playthrough 1st versus 15th 😅 so true.
Looking forward to your next one.
All the best, from massive mass effect fan England 😊
I'm surprised at how much I'm looking forward to my second playthrough of Andromeda.
Thank you, really appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed the 1st vs. 15th ones, they're on hold for now (probably until waay after N7 day) but I love making those. :)
And welcome aboard! 🫡
Already looking forward to next week's video. 👍
It's gonna be a big one! Looking forward to getting all my thoughts in order. 👍
Very good video!
I think I understand why the Jardan were discovered late in the Helias cluster of the Andromeda galaxy. I think if you dealt deeper into Andromeda, we discovered that the Jourdan had possibly colonize other parts of the Andromeda galaxy, but were stopped somewhere in the Helias cluster. That’s where the journey ended, but did not begin so it is very possible that the escapes the Milky Way galaxy and started up somewhere else and then 50,000 years later, eventually got stopped in the Healeys cluster or were forced to move on again.
I need to look into the geth telescope part of which parts of Andromeda they examined. Was it just the Heleus cluster, or the entire galaxy?
And I legit have no clue yet when or how the Jaardan arrived, that'll be key.
@@paragonseven ruclips.net/video/2qXb5fJNJgQ/видео.htmlsi=q3oNMQsKqr8jBVxp
@@paragonseven this is the link to a video, another channel. I follow, posted about the gift telescope, and how they got their information to go to a Andromeda.
If you pay attention to the Jardaan info in the museum in MEA, it's pretty obvious they're Protheans. I didn't realise this was even a mystery.
One thing important to note is that Jardaan tech is a bit less advanced than Prothean tech, Mass Effect Andromeda confirms this.
The benefactor was Ilusive Man. Simple as that. Cerberus knew about Reaper threat, they really liked AI and they were pro humans.
Completely agree. So many clues are beyond obvious it was cerberus.
Tempist ship design is literally very similar to the SR2 design and guess who built the SR2? Cerberus… Who was building illegal A.I.? Yea… Cerberus.
Cora Harper JUST HAPPENS to share the illusive mans last name who helps lead on the Tempest…
No coincidence. Many messages you read in andromeda also point it out same with the novels.
Honestly it’s so obvious id be mad if it wasn’t Cerberus. It makes sense it was Cerberus because they were the only ones who believed the reaper threat.
Taking advantage of the initiative is genius play from Cerberus having a plan B if shepard failed.
I have a funny feeling that the Jardaan are going to end up being the Zha'til, the race that Javik warns Shepherd about after you meet Legion/Legion VI in mass effect 3.
If my memory is correct, the Zha'til are a synthetic race that is implanted into the organic via a chip, like Sam. According to Javik the chip took over the mind and body of the organic after the Reaper invasion during that cycle. They became slaves to the reapers as a result.
I find it out that the ME team would go to that effort to create that interesting race then basically use it as a template for Sam in ME:A only for them not to at least get more attention in the future, be it book, comic or game. It's to unlikely.
It may be pretty far fetched, but... Remember how Javik said that it didn't matter the race? Every species under rule of the Empire was considered Prothean? Well, Javik also tells Shepard the story of the Zha'til, a synthethic/organic hybrid species created by the Zha, and the Empire went to war with them, and, if i recall correctly, Javik also says that the war was cut short because of the Reaper invasion in his cycle. Now, if we consider that the Andromeda Galaxy is 2.5 million light year Away from the Milky Way, it is very probable that with only FTL drives, you could reach the Andrómeda Galaxy in around 50k years....
I think it’s pretty obvious that the Jardaan were from the Milky Way. They probably inhabited other clusters in the Andromeda galaxy and left when the Kett arrived.
I had the same or a similar theory as you do.
Or the jardaan are the ancestors of the proteans originated in andromeda. If true, the protean was a jardaan faction that came to the milk way in the prior galactic cycle
Well, you remind me what Javik said about the Unosanon.... I love your theory
I think this ties too much into the Protheans where we’ve already learned some of the stuff we thought were Prothean in ME1 were actually older from a previous cycle. More interesting would be an even older precursor just like the other steps that made the Crucible happened well before the Protheans.
Your idea is interesting. I think the jardaan /are/ the Angara, just “disconnected.” they already have a synthesis relationship with remnant tech. Remember the empty bodies we found in the remnant city? I think /they’re/ the virtual aliens. I made a video about it and my theory about the benefactor but 😅
I definitely believe the benefactor is related to Cerberus in some form. So many details ive read over the game make it very obvious.
The Tempest design is similar to the SR2 design and guess who built the SR2? Who built illegal A.I.?
Yea… Cerberus.
Cora Harper shares Jack Harpers last name. Coincidence? No.
Also why Cerberus would totally want to be humanities protecter in another galaxy. They were the only ones who believed shephards warning of the reapers and took advantage of the initiative as a back up plan.
Id honestly be mad if it wasn’t Cerberus because so many things add up perfectly of it being Cerberus.
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It’s funny how people really think Cerberus wouldn’t help other races out. Yes they put humanity first however Cerberus was one of the FEW factions that actually believed Shepard’s warning of the reapers.
Cerberus could see benefits of adding other races to the initiative. They don’t necessarily hate aliens. TIM is no fool either and having a back up plan would be something in his character to do.
His faction might be pro human but he definitely would see the benefit of saving other races with their unique skills that would heavily benefit such a trip. Just like how he knew adding other aliens to shepards crew benefits him/her.
The initiative just happens to be leaving at very convenient timing with the “proper funding.”
Also of course the developers would say anything not to spoil anything.
The amount of evidence of Cerberus is too obvious. The second possibility is the shadow broker.
But it’s definitely no prothian like this video suggests. Thats the least likely thing to be.
Tempest design is no doubt altered and newly designed model based off the SR2 Cerberus built. Only Cerberus knew how to build such ships besides the alliance who teamed up with Turians however the SR1 was nothing but a prototype so it’s unlikely it was the alliance who built the tempest.
A.I. that Ryder has no doubt has Cerberus connections since it was Cerberus who dabbed in illegal A.I. tech. Mind you Alex Ryder who fought in the contact war just like Jack Harper did. Aka illusive man. The connection there.
Cora harper just happens to share jack Harpers last name and served under Alex Ryder? A coincidence??? I THINK NOT! That is no coincidence.
Jack Harper no doubt had to realize his plan with shepard COULD fail. The initiative is the PERFECT plan B and you know damn well Illusive man would be smart enough to figure a plan b out. It’s completely in character for his organization to infiltrate the initiative. It makes way too much sense. I dare say bioware would be nuts not to make a Cerberus tie.
I can go on because there is other evidence in game that brings up Cerberus as well.
I could be wrong but i picked up on all these details and it makes complete sense to me then all the other theories I’ve heard. The majority of other theories I’ve heard besides the shadow broker are not as genius in my opinion.
If you're right maybe the Jardeen left before the Reaper War and just reached the Helios cluster much later. Slower ships, traveling somewhere else, perhaps another galaxy, and expanding to Helios later. Or maybe once they arrived at Helios they stayed in stasis for a very, very long time. Perhaps they fled in the early stages of the Reaper War and decided to wake up shortly around the next harvest era.
Or I think I read somewhere and this may be incorrect that the Rachni war was the result of an earlier effort to trigger the beacon to summon the Reapers. If that is correct that means the Reapers were planning to launch the post Prothean harvest much earlier, around two thousand years earlier. If so the Jardeen might have wanted to wake up in the aftermath of the harvest giving them tens of thousands of years to build up their strength and launch an attack while the Reapers were dormant and presumably much more vulnerable.
Another thing that supports your theory is that Remnant weapons technology is based around Particle weapons. And which Milky Way factions do we we know of that used Particle weapons? That's right the Protheans, and the Collectors aka husked Protheans. I might be forgetting something but every Particle weapon I remember encountering in the Shepard trilogy came from one of those two factions.
Great point about the particle weapons, I'll keep that one in mind!
I’m digging what you’re saying but there’s that Dark Energy thing going on as well… I’m talking about the Liara link to Andromeda. I don’t think it’s all her, or her and Jardaan. Of course, she could well be THE scientist that figures it all out and puts it together… with Conrad Verner. I’m not joking, he DID know a lot about that and wrote a paper that helped defeat the Reapers. Providing he’s not dead, of course lol.
And in another video you mention multiverses… it’s not that crazy of an idea; at this point who knows what effect the Crucible had on all that dark energy? It’s possible it even created the Scourge via wormhole… there’s a theory that the black hole in Andromeda is in fact a wormhole, as yet discovered as such. If so, it could lead to a “white hole” or exit in the Milky Way and if that’s the case, perhaps Dark Energy could travel the other way too.
Discovering a wormhole could make travel between galaxies much quicker… OR it could make travel between universes, which Liara could figure out. Maybe even with your Jardaan scientist?
I am so here for the Conrad Verner being integral to everything take.
Wormholes seem like the most likely way to make everything work, I just haven't seen enough from the teasers to confirm it.
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Maybe during the harvest some Protheans may have left the Milky Way to escape and save themselves by going to Andromeda….
But this thought leads me to think of a question: what will Shepard's role be in all of this?
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Ps: I love your content!!
I have noo sweet clue how Shep fits into anything, only that I'm fairly certain that they're coming back.
Thank you! Glad you enjoy it! :)
@@paragonsevenI always love your content!
I hope during the N7 day they will give us more information! This waiting is killing me 😆
IF so: the protheans trapped behind the lines of the metacon war may have come to an accord with the Zha’til and wholly integrated as we saw with the quarians and geth. Perhaps they set out on their own curated voyage to andromeda secretly, unknown to the protheans at large and thus the reapers as the synth-organic hybrid could not be efficiently indoctrinated (I’m stretching but it’s supported in that synthetics and organics were always seen as separate or fighting according to the star child and protheans). Further, they may be effectively immortal due to the hybrid nature which would make them a good bad guy and could therefore make the voyage for 50k +300 years with their hybrid tech FROM the Metacon war. Maybe prothean tech was superior to the Zha (Javik remarks that they were winning) and that’s why remtech seems less advanced.
The virtual alien race really shouldn't be dismissed.
what if the mysterious benefactor is the leviathan? they are 99% behind the crucible, removing tracers of their activity, or the prothean scientists that survived on the citadel after illos.
The Prothean scientists on the Citadel makes more sense, IMO, but at the same time, I don't know why they'd go back into hiding.
The Leviathans went into complete isolation to avoid the Reapers. I doubt they'd be sitting on a lot of financial resources, and more importantly, be willing to fund the Milky Way species to leave the galaxy.
They wanted nothing to do with anything, so I'm reluctant to believe one of the Leviathans felt differently. It's plausible, but I'm leaning towards unlikely.
One very important point the jardaan were at war with someone before they disappeared and for me the jardaan are definitely AI's
Outstanding theories, young lady. Having played MEA for so long I must admit that I always felt there was definitely a connection between the Protheans and the Jardan. Otrherwise what about all the references in Alex Ryders quarters that were from Liara talking for the most part about her prothean studies? I also like your theory about the benefactor at least it is a conceivable theory.
It's the Benefactor theory that caught me the most off guard, and I came up with it! 😅
It's a very plausable theory at least in my estimation. What is still a mystery to me though if that is true, is what kill Jean Garson? I'm not getting how this would significantly alter the course of the initiative once they arrived in Andromeda, if that was the goal. Where as the revolt on the Nexus and the subsequent exiling of many of the early arivals did indeed lead to chaos and the assembly of a seriously inferior, actually incompetent, leadership group.I feel pretty sure that had Jean Garson survived even taking contact with the scurge into account, she would have likely been able to keep the leadership together and functioning, at least better than what they ended up with.
@@MrHorsepro I'm not sure why they wanted to murder Garson, but I'm hoping the books hold some answers. I'm currently reading the first of the Andromeda series, but I don't have any clear theories yet. I have an inkling of one, but nothing to substantiate it.
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I have read them all more than once, and while they offer many answers to important questions that are unclear in the game, sadly, they do not adequately address that one. Or at least I could not find an answer in my reading. Having said that, with your fresh perspective and inquiring mind, I would not be surprised if you find an answer in the books. Or at least a hint that can lead to some productive speculation for which you seem to have a unique talent. As you have so clearly demonstrated with this post. I look forward with great anticipation to your interpretation of what you find in the books. WOW! You may be creating a fascinating series here. This is going to be fun.
Now, I need to go start another playthrough with fresh eyes and a clearer mind. You wanna bet that I will achieve 5k hours of MEA play by the end of the year? 🎮🖖🤞
@@MrHorsepro I'll keep an eye out during my readthroughs!
Hahah go for it dude, and keep an eye out for mentions of the Jaardan too! :)
Oh man Taye Talks old theory!
If the Jardaan are Prothean, what caused the scourge and why did it happen in the 600 years between the departure and arrival of the Andromeda Initiative, and not the 50k years before?
Excellent question that I will try to answer in my update video on this.
Also, Javik actually mentioned that the Protheans were at war with a hybrid synthetic race when the Reapers arrived. Maybe it's them?@@paragonseven
Hello,
I'm convinced since my first Andromeda 1 playthrough that the "Big Bad Evil Guys" that play as direct colonialist antagonists to the Andromeda Initiative are Protheans. They look alike (and it goes farther than the look of their skins, skull and eyes). Their society is exactly the same, and they have the exact same eugenistic policy regarding other species (genetic and cultural integration). It so to speak pricked my eyes so hard I couldn't see anything else within this game for a time.
Your theory about the Jaardan is indeed interesting. I never thought of that, or of the obvious implications. Still, it seems to me a bit early to decide either where the Protheans came from, or in which order they colonized each galaxy. If you are right, it would mean to me that there are indeed plural Prothean factions. Which actually would make sense on every aspect.
Appreciate your thoughts on it, glad I'm not the only one who was (trying) to connect the dots. :)
It's the plural Prothean factions part that'd make the whole thing work. Since the Protheans (at least from Javik's perspective) hate AI, I'm sure there was a portion that wanted to use / exploit AI. Maybe that's what the Jardaan are. In theory, anyway. :)
That's a sound theory.@@paragonseven
What if the terraforming tech was built by the Reapers to create worlds that can form life suitable for harvesting?
IIRC, I think it was confirmed somewhere that the Reapers were never in Andromeda. Not sure why I'm remembering that, but it's in the back of my head. Until anything else comes up, I currently think that the terraforming tech was made by the Jardaan.
Any theories on the Kett?
Not yet. Will wait until after my second playthrough of Andromeda.
I've played through Andromeda 4 times already and this seems like a huge stretch. It's a completely different galaxy I think it needs to be something new. Not everything has to tie in perfectly to the trilogy. Mass Effect is my favorite video game franchise and I have played through the trilogy at least 5 or 6 times. I get people become comfortable with the familiar and love the trilogy. I want new stories and experiences within that universe, not everything has to be trilogy related. If this ended up being true and BioWare was able to make it make sense then ok. I would much rather have the Jaardan be a totally new alien race that we haven't encountered before. The time-line just doesn't make sense with the Protheans being from 50,000 years before. The benefactor is something completely different all together.
I know everything is speculative, but I love how you cook theories. I can't disagree with most of your hypothesis. Also, with the Jardaan Benefactor, perhaps there is a reason why the Quarian ark never made it to Andromeda.
While your ideas make sense, I’m pretty sure any hints at the Jardaan being Protheans-ish are mostly ret-con. Andromeda was a soft reboot. It took most fundamental ideas from the ME trilogy and tried to tell a very similar story in a different galaxy. *That’s how soft reboots work.* Sure it’s possbile that the writers for Andromeda wanted to have the option to make the Jardaan a splinter group or remnant of the Prothean Empire, but they easily may have wanted to introduce a new elder race, unique to Andromeda. As well as new super villains that are only hinted at when it becomes clear that the Archon is not actually the one pulling the strings, much like the scene at the end of ME 2 where the last Collector dies and we hear a Reaper say "releasing control".
you are getting closer but the Jardaan are not prothean. The jardaan is the AI. They created the remnant (pawns: Leviathan to Shepard, 2186) and send them out into the galaxy to get samples of life, as was the mandate of the AI and thus their mandate... but they had many mandates... they, with instruction could do anything, including create life, planets, stars - stars that weren't quite the same as the real thing (Haestrom) - and syntheses. Don't you recall? The AI said it plain that they had tried synthesis before and failed. They never said how they failed... So that mandate was given to the AI by their creator. That creator, after discovering the creation of the Angara felt betrayed and unleashed the dark energy weapon that unleashed the scourge (Shepard did this thematically in ME3 and then we get to see the chronological aftermath but billions of years into the past. Now things get complicated here. Was it the Kett leadership that created the AI (who actually are the 'Protheans') - just replay Javik's description of the empire and it will all click into place... Did the Kett do this because waiting for accidental organic life took too long? Did they do it to speed up millions of years of evolution into 50K year cycles? Well, that may have been the plan, but creating the Angara, who could interface and would presumably eventually be able to understand AI at a fundamental level and vice versa, was NOT what the Kett (or whomever created the AI) was looking for, it seems.
Last Note: Leviathan is an exulted Manta - prodigy of the Kett. Although these may exist in reaperized form as ships, it is unlikely they are what we are presented with in the Trilogy; which is one big long game of pre exultation. A collective attempt at mass 'effect' indoctrination. Nothing after the Beacon on Eden Prime actually happened in ME reality.
Holy sh*t this theory is really solid
Can't wait to check if it holds up in my second playthrough of Andromeda. :)
It might work as a gentle retcon, or as an idea they came up with to keep Andromeda canon. Anything else requires the writers for Andromeda to have been competent, which is... not showing in their work, shall we say.
I'm not sure, I really think they might have had this in mind from the beginning.
Mike Gamble, current director of the next Mass Effect and who produced Andromeda, also worked on the DLC for the last Prothean in ME3 (Javik's arc). It wouldn't surprise me if he wanted the Protheans to have a larger role, and the Jaardan might be the way. 👀
I don't think the Jardaan could be Protheans. Protheans were extremely anti-AI, I highly doubt that they would merge with AI in order to terraform the Helios Cluster. The Protheans could have had their own Andromeda Initiative similar to what Shepard's cycle accomplished, the Prothean Empire was shattered early on in their Reaper war and many factions did not know of what the others were doing. One faction could have found some way to freeze a group to send to Andromeda and it took them longer to get there than the Andromeda Initiative 50,000 years later...but I still find them being the Jardaan highly unlikely.
Also, your idea that the Benefactor is a Prothean is also off. The Benefactor got involved with the Andromeda Initiative in order to use it as a lifeboat of sorts just in case we lost the upcoming war with the Reapers. Most likely, the benefactor is the Illusive Man.
All that being said, Bioware's writing has dropped significantly in quality in the last 12 years, so you might just be right.
Nice review. Perhaps you're right, considering the Protheans were able to build the Conduit and design the Crucible.
Solid points! They're definitely a technologically-advanced group.
The crucible is not of prothean design but is the result of countless cycles spanning millions of years.
@@samanthagarrett3671 That's correct, my mistake.
When did protheans reach Milky Way ?
Protheans that chose the synthesis ending.^^
cool theory. check out the theory that jardaan are trees that one is cool
It's nice theory but the basis for it is a little bit meh. Someone speculating that the concept art for Remnant tech has some similarities to Prothean tech doesn't mean much. It's ultimately speculation based on someone's own opinion. The tweet from Michael Gamble doesn't really change that. The fact that he's seeding questions in the heads of theorycrafters without giving answer only ensures that people will keep the discussion about Mass Effect alive but ultimately he does not have an obligation to answer those questions.
A good theory always has a strong foundation to build from but there isn't much here besides a few tweets that fuel speculation. Also the theory of itself is a bit old considering the idea of the Jardaan being Prothean was proposed and speculated about 6 years ago after ME:A came out.
Just finished watching your video, and it's an interesting take. I personally think the Jardaan are a completely different alien race, who are more advanced, given what they created (the Angara, Remnant, terraforming technology on all of those planets, etc), than the Protheans - something they likely would've been known for too if they were the Jardaan, no? So, it's kind of odd to me to hear how they're not as advanced. What I do think is, the Jardaan likely visited the Milky Way at some point, maybe to see if it had viable planets capable of life, and were responsible for taking out that one Reaper corpse Shepard was sent to in order to get the IFF in ME2. Those Jardaan ships are massive, and it wouldn't surprise me if they had weapons fully capable of taking out a Reaper.
The advanced tech part is the one major hole in the theory. I don't fully understand this theory myself, but the rem tech (at least to me) undoubtedly looks very Prothean-inspired.
I believe it was confirmed that the Leviathans took out the Reaper on Jartar, not sure about the Reaper IFF one, but I can check when I re-visit this theory.
@@paragonseven It's definitely a major hole. It could very well be the opposite, with the Protheans being inspired by the Jardaan.
True, the Leviathan was responsible for the Jartar Reaper, but I don't think it was confirmed to be the one responsible for the Reaper IFF one too - only the mention of an ancient race when Shepard is speaking to The Illusive Man about it. The only other thing the Leviathans were probably responsible for was the Rachni, using them to try to prepare them for war with the Reapers, but even that turned out to be only a theory by Dr. Bryson. He might have been right, when you think about what the Rachni Queen said about something souring their "notes" or "song"...I forgot which she said.
I disagree. By default if you need an A.I. to interact with the tech that would take away The Protheans b/c they hate A.I.
I'm thinking that the Jaardan could be a splinter group that wanted to run away from the Reapers rather than fight. So they might naturally have different thoughts concerning AI than traditional Protheans.
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You keep digging they might want you to be on the writing team....or are you..( que music...)
Hahahah nice reverse uno card play! 🤣 Genuinely made me laugh, thanks! 😁
ngl i would love for Shepard to come back but at the same time i'd like more of Ryder since it got slammed so bad thanks to EA and their shit engine.
This doesn’t make any sense to me, I can’t imagine protheans creating a spacefaring AI, even if it’s benevolent, during their reaper war. If the AI could create life, then it could eventually create more civilizations that could conflict against the protheans. If Protheans simply wanted to create an army or a civilization to lord over, they could just use clones instead of developing another super advanced AI race. And finally, even IF the Protheans did in fact create this AI, it doesn’t explain why it would just sit around in space for 50,000 years doing nothing until it suddenly decides to fly to Andromeda.
Not to mention the Protheans were conquerors, so the thought of them building an AI that can terraform and create life doesn’t make much sense, especially if they could just take a world and it’s people and resources from another civilization.
No the The benefictor female human
I appreciate the theory, but i really hope it's not true. The timeline for the next game is pretty obvious, especially if they're going to include the Andromeda galaxy into the game. It's going to be 300-400 years after the reaper war. Since that is the only timeline that can accommodate the events of ME:A.
I dont like esoteric mysteries in games. They work fine as a hook, but as a tool for storytelling, i think its lazy to fixate on that. It can also get you into trouble (which is what i think happened with the whole "why are the Reapers" thing). I like simple. Who are the Jaardan? Who cares. ME:A tried to tell a story about colonialism, and how it damages societies. The Kett were the 18th century Empire, the Angara were the indigenous people, and the Initiative were the refugees thrown into the mix.
I would love to see how this plays out visa vis the power theme that was being explored in the original trilogy. I would love a theme where maybe the Initiative figure out a way to get to the Milky Way and the Kett realize the there is a new galaxy at their doorstep. How it would effect relationships with the Angara now that there could be more refugees coming from the Milky Way, and the nativist factions within the Angara would push back. Maybe we figure out who the Jardaan are in the process, but thats not the main thrust, or rather shouldnt be. It should be what is happening now.
And please...no big bad guys with metaphysical motives to resolve ethical conflicts. Lets keep it simple.
No.
What is mass effect 5?
It doesnt exist?
Cool theory and all but the Protheans hated synthetic life. So then why would they create a whole "race" of Remnant for their needs? A race like the Inusannon would make more sense to have the progenitors of the Remnant.