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Once Saved, STAY Saved?! Who Do These Preachers THINK They Are?
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These false teachers don’t even hide it anymore. He’s literally telling people to work for their salvation, something that the Bible CLEARLY teaches otherwise.
he was problematic before but now he's just blatantly heretical and attacking the gospel
Great video Onorato- to refute that “salvation by my own goodness “ message. It’s by HIS Goodness and Atoning Work 100%. Blessings 😊
OUR REDEEMER WILL TELL THEM TO DEPAERT FROM HIM HE NEVER KNEW THEM. JESUSCHRIST SACES US NOT ARE EHAVIUR
Remember, it’s always your salvation that is up for grabs. The false teachers are always secure. They’ve never lost their salvation, but you’ve lost yours because you’re a dirty, filthy sinner, and they are righteous.
@@catholictruth102 What’s your point
I cannot earn my salvation. Thank you Lord for saving me and writing my name in the Book of Life and it shall never be erased!
Thank You Lord !!!!!❤
Amen! I believe!
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT.
@@catholictruth102 ...yes...
some 30 some 60 some 100 fold!
@@catholictruth102 ... Rewards and Salvation are 2 different events. The Lord Jesus Christ explained it plainly.
Amen!
There is nothing we can do to stay saved because we sin every day. Even the thought of foolishness is sin
While I suppose most if not everyone alive today continues to sin at least every once in a while, the scripture says at varying degrees of clarity that humanity can and ought to cease all sin. I've highlighted every single such verse in the NT
conditional security is not sinless perfection dude
@@hikerbill9248
You imagine that we all sin everyday or that the Bible teaches that idea. There are two sides of a person's mind: the spirit and flesh. The flesh never submits to Gd but the spirit naturally is submitted to Gd. If we are always filled with the mind of the Spirit then there's no room for the seeds of unrighteousness to grow. EVERY creature produced is like it's parents. If Gd is your father then you'd be Godly.
@@hikerbill9248 But I already pointed out that there are many many MANY verses explaining how we can and ought to cease all sin. The scripture teaches that we are not saved through mere forgiveness but rather through a supernatural union into the one man Chr st and his death and resurrection. If we are resurrected in him then our new self has never sinned and does not sin because it's born of Gd.
@@hikerbill9248 The NT specifically listed the ten commandments as unnecessary for those that are born again. The scripture says that the law is for sinners but the naturally righteous don't need an outward law of morals because the living law(mind of Chr st) is written on their hearts and they are born in Gd's image and therefore are godly by nature. The old nature is like dead seeds and as long as we remain filled with the Spirit then those seeds have no room to grow.
No man can earn their salvation! It is a gift that cannot be lost. You cannot give it up. You cannot out sin God's Grace!
Amen!Too many preachers mixing discipleship and salvation.Even if an unsaved person, hypothetically,were to turn from all their sins,they would still go to hell.Because it wouldn't change the fact they still sinned.The only two options are accept the payment that Jesus paid by faith ,or pay for it in Hell.
not disagreeing, but I have a problem with this doctrine. What if you're a backslider? What if, years after your salvation and born again experience, you fall away and distance yourself from, and even grow to detest God? I don't buy the "you were never saved to begin with" referred to in 1 John 2:19 because I don't think that's always the case. The devil can deceive even the best of us. ["No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light" 2 Cor 11:14]
So what then? Here's my thought:
God is loving. He gives us free will. We can choose to accept Him or not. If we don't, He will not force us into His company. So if a former believer rejects God, an all-loving God would not force that person into His presence. ["No one can serve two masters, either you will hate one and love the other, or you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." Matt 6:24]
This is why the once saved always saved doctrine is so conflicting.
Also, sin separates us from God (Isaiah 59:2), so if you diliberately live in sin, how does this affect your standing with God?
I dunno. I'm still fairly new to my faith (only converted back in the fall) so I'm still trying to figure this all out. I have been studying Scripture as thoroughly as I can to understand this. There are so many interpretations it's hard to tell which is right.
Right!!! :D
@@aaronharlow2137 you are still saved even if you backslid. We will get consequences on this earth for doing so but we won’t lose our salvation. Also we all sin willingly and like before, we will get consequences for them too while we’re still living. We are still saved when we believed in Jesus.
@kraftyval2162 I understand that and I've read much more since I posted that. But where I'm still confused is if you're saved, what happens if you later reject God and deny Him for the rest of your life? Can that happen? (My understanding of apostates is they were never saved to begin with, because once you receive the benefits of Holy Spirit, you dont want to lose it, but i could be wrong) As I said, God will not force you to be in His company in heaven if you don't want it.
“Salvation is of the Lord.” Jonah 2:9
The devil can work on the unbeliever but he can NEVER work on the believers because he has already been defeated by Christ
Something something roaring lion
The Nicolaitans taught osas and the Lord hated their doctrine. Rev 2:15
"Nicolaitans were one of the heretical sects that plagued the churches at Ephesus and at Pergamum, according to Revelation 2:6,15. Irenaeus identifies them as followers of Nicolas, one of the seven chosen in Acts 6, and as men who "lead lives of unrestrained indulgence". He also relates them to Gnosticism: "John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith (the deity of Christ), and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that 'knowledge' falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word". There is also historical evidence of a Gnostic sect called Nitolaitans a century or so later.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans appears to have been a form of antinomianism, which makes the fatal mistake that man can freely partake in sin because the Law of God is no longer binding. It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth had a saving power.
Nicolaitans of the 2nd century seem to have continued and extended the views of the 1st century adherents, holding to the freedom of the flesh and sin, and teaching that the deeds of the flesh had no effect upon the health of the soul and consequently no relation to salvation."
The devil tried to work on the Lord Himself out in the wilderness. You think he can't work on you? We have an advocate, though, unlike the unbelievers. Believers absolutely can fall into the snares of the devil. Look at King David if you need proof.
@@user-kp5gx6pp2v You are literally parroting, word for word, stuff you've been taught on the internet. Not one thing you said was an original thought from your own head. You're stuck in an ideology. There is freedom in Christ. There are consequences for sin in this life. You are nowhere near as holy as you think you are. Remember, the Lord sees in secret. He sees the things you can't see about yourself.
Yes I have heard this a lot lately. How could a free gift of salvation be outdone by anything we do? That is saying man is more powerful than God
@Great1Duane But that's the point,
Nowhere does the bible teach that we in our sinful un-regenerated state accept anything from God.
The bible teaches that we are slaves to sin, no one seeks after God and we cannot know spiritual things.
So when the scripture says that we are by nature children of wrath, spiritually dead, cannot know the things of the spirit, are not subject to the law of GOD, our carnal minds are at enmity with GOD, slaves to sin, we cannot change our nature, separated from GOD, cannot please GOD, do not understand, and do not seek after God, that every intent of the thoughts of our heart is only evil continually, proud and God is in none of our thoughts, there is no one who calls on God, Who stirs himself up to take hold of God, etc …
So according to you in light of the above how does this said sinner accept the gift of the gospel?
@Great1Duanethe free gift is accepted once you believe in the sacrifice of Christ on the cross for the redemption of sins
@Great1Duane
"Because we are created in the image of God."
So what?
That doesn't answer the issue.
@Great1Duane What does that have to do with the text?
Stop trying to reason your way through this.
"WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY?"
If what you believe is true then quote the bible, not some human logic game.
Some people say “I rebuke evil thoughts quickly after they happen” but you already had that thought, you sinned homie but you don’t even realize it! I was a works Salvationist until it dawned on me that I was not able to forgive my mom. No matter how hard I tried I couldn’t trick myself into it. God allowed me to understand grace! Then he healed me of that affliction. Ultimately only God can heal us of afflictions like that
Without once saved always saved NOBODY is gonna see the lord 😂
Facts 😂
lol, that part!
Facts
Lies
The Nicolaitans taught osas and the Lord hated their doctrine. Rev 2:15
"Nicolaitans were one of the heretical sects that plagued the churches at Ephesus and at Pergamum, according to Revelation 2:6,15. Irenaeus identifies them as followers of Nicolas, one of the seven chosen in Acts 6, and as men who "lead lives of unrestrained indulgence". He also relates them to Gnosticism: "John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith (the deity of Christ), and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that 'knowledge' falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word". There is also historical evidence of a Gnostic sect called Nitolaitans a century or so later.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans appears to have been a form of antinomianism, which makes the fatal mistake that man can freely partake in sin because the Law of God is no longer binding. It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth had a saving power.
Nicolaitans of the 2nd century seem to have continued and extended the views of the 1st century adherents, holding to the freedom of the flesh and sin, and teaching that the deeds of the flesh had no effect upon the health of the soul and consequently no relation to salvation."
@@user-kp5gx6pp2v the doctrine of the Nicolaitans was Nico(above/power over) laos(laity/common people). They were the forerunners of the Catholic system, likely starting from the Jewish priestly system and eventually the Babylonian priestly system that we see today in Roman Catholicism. They believed that those in "the know" or the "priest class" were subject to special rules, and special privileges, that the commonfolk were not. Most notably, marriage laws, and interpretation of scripture, and preaching of scripture.
Jesus Christ is our righteousness, holiness, obedience, He is our everything, He said Himself, 'Outside of Me you can do nothing.' Yes we live to please Him and help others, but Jesus is the foundation we build on without Him we are nothing. God bless.🙏
I believe this for a fact , this false teachers are about to attack this amazing doctrine about once saved always save like no other because this doctrine literally gives all the glory to Jesus Christ.
They believe that is antinomian doctrine. But they’re wrong , we actually see how amazing the love of God is towards us and makes us want to walk in His Spirit even more.
you are deceived and deceiving you may not think it is antinomian but it is. any doctrine that gives you freedom to sin is antinomian.
The Nicolaitans taught osas and the Lord hated their doctrine. Rev 2:15
"Nicolaitans were one of the heretical sects that plagued the churches at Ephesus and at Pergamum, according to Revelation 2:6,15. Irenaeus identifies them as followers of Nicolas, one of the seven chosen in Acts 6, and as men who "lead lives of unrestrained indulgence". He also relates them to Gnosticism: "John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith (the deity of Christ), and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that 'knowledge' falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word". There is also historical evidence of a Gnostic sect called Nitolaitans a century or so later.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans appears to have been a form of antinomianism, which makes the fatal mistake that man can freely partake in sin because the Law of God is no longer binding. It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth had a saving power.
Nicolaitans of the 2nd century seem to have continued and extended the views of the 1st century adherents, holding to the freedom of the flesh and sin, and teaching that the deeds of the flesh had no effect upon the health of the soul and consequently no relation to salvation."
@@user-kp5gx6pp2v prove it to me with scripture or a source because as far as I know that is not the doctrine of the nicolatians. You might as well be one of Paul’s detractors who claimed he was teaching freedom to sin because of grace and he refutes them on chapter 6 in the epistle to the Romans. Genuine believers don’t preached freedom to sin. Nevertheless, we know we are seal unto the end by His Holy Spirit and perfect work on the cross.
God Judges non believers and believers alike , that means if a believer screws up , your going to get judged while your in this sinful flesh , Ive needed a good kick up the backside from the Lord on a few occasions, and the Holy Spirit let's you know for sure 😂, it's called sanctification , nobody is perfect except one 🙏
@@completoencristo Romans 8:12-14 KJV
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Colossians 3:5-10 KJV
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [6] For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: [7] In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. [8] But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. [9] Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; [10] And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
I wonder how perfect he is
He's not teaching sinless perfection.
The Nicolaitans taught osas and the Lord hated their doctrine. Rev 2:15
"Nicolaitans were one of the heretical sects that plagued the churches at Ephesus and at Pergamum, according to Revelation 2:6,15. Irenaeus identifies them as followers of Nicolas, one of the seven chosen in Acts 6, and as men who "lead lives of unrestrained indulgence". He also relates them to Gnosticism: "John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith (the deity of Christ), and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that 'knowledge' falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word". There is also historical evidence of a Gnostic sect called Nitolaitans a century or so later.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans appears to have been a form of antinomianism, which makes the fatal mistake that man can freely partake in sin because the Law of God is no longer binding. It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth had a saving power.
Nicolaitans of the 2nd century seem to have continued and extended the views of the 1st century adherents, holding to the freedom of the flesh and sin, and teaching that the deeds of the flesh had no effect upon the health of the soul and consequently no relation to salvation."
@@user-kp5gx6pp2vstrawman argument. this in no way dispels OSAS. you’re falling for a fallacy. nobody logically says “oh eternal salvation?? time to sin my life away haha” Hebrews 10:2 “For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.” the apostle paul preached OSAS. the same guy called up to heaven by Jesus Christ to deliver the church this message.
I always tell these types, "let me follow you around for a couple hours and let me see how holy you are............ if I can find your unholiness, I promise you God sees it too."
“Once saved, Stay saved” huh, I wonder what he would say if we asked him how he “stays saved”
Enduring to the end.
The Nicolaitans taught osas and the Lord hated their doctrine. Rev 2:15
"Nicolaitans were one of the heretical sects that plagued the churches at Ephesus and at Pergamum, according to Revelation 2:6,15. Irenaeus identifies them as followers of Nicolas, one of the seven chosen in Acts 6, and as men who "lead lives of unrestrained indulgence". He also relates them to Gnosticism: "John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith (the deity of Christ), and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that 'knowledge' falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word". There is also historical evidence of a Gnostic sect called Nitolaitans a century or so later.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans appears to have been a form of antinomianism, which makes the fatal mistake that man can freely partake in sin because the Law of God is no longer binding. It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth had a saving power.
Nicolaitans of the 2nd century seem to have continued and extended the views of the 1st century adherents, holding to the freedom of the flesh and sin, and teaching that the deeds of the flesh had no effect upon the health of the soul and consequently no relation to salvation."
@@user-kp5gx6pp2v Listen Brother, do not be self-deceived, you are not strong enough or righteous enough to endure to the end without the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, praise be to his name forever and ever, amen.
The Lord keeps me saved.
The Nicolaitans taught osas and the Lord hated their doctrine. Rev 2:15
"Nicolaitans were one of the heretical sects that plagued the churches at Ephesus and at Pergamum, according to Revelation 2:6,15. Irenaeus identifies them as followers of Nicolas, one of the seven chosen in Acts 6, and as men who "lead lives of unrestrained indulgence". He also relates them to Gnosticism: "John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith (the deity of Christ), and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that 'knowledge' falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word". There is also historical evidence of a Gnostic sect called Nitolaitans a century or so later.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans appears to have been a form of antinomianism, which makes the fatal mistake that man can freely partake in sin because the Law of God is no longer binding. It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth had a saving power.
Nicolaitans of the 2nd century seem to have continued and extended the views of the 1st century adherents, holding to the freedom of the flesh and sin, and teaching that the deeds of the flesh had no effect upon the health of the soul and consequently no relation to salvation."
@user-kp5gx6pp2v Okay. Well they were heretics and I hate their doctrine as well. Once Saved Always Saved doesn't give you a "license to sin" - what people don't understand is that God will judge and chasten his children on this earth if they choose to live a life of continous, unrepentant sin. Listen to my newest video "The Doctrine of Chastisement."
Thank you so much for your content, I’ve been watching your content the last few days. Ive come to faith a month ago after being agnostic almost my entire life. Trying to understand Christianism isn’t easy as a newbie, so i started watching different interpretations of the different Bible verses. There are so many different interpretations of the Bible, it made me anxious. I didn’t knew what to believe nor follow. Your videos about salvation are the most on point interpretations I’ve watched. You helped me so much with my anxiety, i cant thank you enough! Now a new subscriber!
Man! Your explanation is so good. Keep up the great work!
Great video Onorato- to refute that “salvation by my own goodness” message. It’s by HIS Goodness and Atoning Work 100%. Blessings 😊
Thanks You have cleared up a lot of questions.
Romans 8:12-14 KJV
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Colossians 3:5-10 KJV
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [6] For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: [7] In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. [8] But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. [9] Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; [10] And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
@@MosesHillocks11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
I dont know anyone who has turned away from all their sins. Not even apostle Paul or Peter when He started treating gentile believers differently when Jewish believers arrived. Sin does have consecuences and our Abba will chastice and scurge every son which He recieves, but we are eternally secure in Christ if we believed the Gospel. Mans turning from sin, obedience and love towards God does not earn you heaven or keep you saved, is what Christ did on the Cross... Him paying for all of our sins... Rising fromt the dead on the third day, believing in Him in the Gospel is what gives us eternal life and Jesus Christ keeps us saved.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
@@edgarnavarro1283 bro what I post is pure scripture nothing added nothing taken away its God word and its always best to obey God word , I don't know the reason you posted that scripture to me what are you really trying to say?
@MosesHillocks the children of disobedience are unbelievers because they did not obeyed the truth.
Glory to God
We cannot earn nor maintain, only by grace via faith
Blessings Shalom fam 🫀
I know. OSAS still false.
The Nicolaitans taught osas and the Lord hated their doctrine. Rev 2:15
"Nicolaitans were one of the heretical sects that plagued the churches at Ephesus and at Pergamum, according to Revelation 2:6,15. Irenaeus identifies them as followers of Nicolas, one of the seven chosen in Acts 6, and as men who "lead lives of unrestrained indulgence". He also relates them to Gnosticism: "John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith (the deity of Christ), and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that 'knowledge' falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word". There is also historical evidence of a Gnostic sect called Nitolaitans a century or so later.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans appears to have been a form of antinomianism, which makes the fatal mistake that man can freely partake in sin because the Law of God is no longer binding. It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth had a saving power.
Nicolaitans of the 2nd century seem to have continued and extended the views of the 1st century adherents, holding to the freedom of the flesh and sin, and teaching that the deeds of the flesh had no effect upon the health of the soul and consequently no relation to salvation."
@@user-kp5gx6pp2vwell if we believed in Jesus and we have eternal life, we can’t lose it then. We’re not condoning sin, but people think that they need to do good works to keep their salvation which is considered a work salvation gospel, another false doctrine that teachers we are saved by works. Sin will give us consequences in this life (so we should do our best not to do any) but we won’t lose salvation by sinning; we sin all the time, no one can say they don’t.
Bless you brother for exposing this goat. The false teachers are a dime a dozen! We are in the end times, the devil is always looking to devour the sheep. Stay vigilante.
Sins of commission and omission. Old gray beard sins daily like the rest of us. Except he does not have a savior. He is his own savior who’s end is hell, unless he repents.
Amazing. If Jesus Christs righteousness isnt enough for me, im not even gonna try lol. Im already condemned because i can think of several extremely overt sins im guilty of... i deserve hell. Ill happily believe God and trust His word over myself
They always have to yell too
To God our Savior who alone is Wise be glory and majesty, dominion and power both now and forever Amen. It is His doing and He has saved us, not according to works of righteousness which we have done but according to His grace and mercy. thanks again Ono and God bless
Another wow! video. This ties in with your James video. You speak so clearly and it's undeniable. I'm new to the grace camp. I appreciate these videos very much.
Wow. Good luck bud. Thanks for exposing these false teachers. God Bless!
These false teachers are absolutely crazy, total reprobates.
Yes, then they accuse us of being false.....
200 percent. They make me sick to my stomach
Thanks brother. So much deception out there.
Amen!
Thanks for another clear explanation.
Brother Onorato always spitting straight fire! 🔥 , all joking aside excellent video brother.
If anyone has read the Gospels , i was always caught in saying to myself. Wow Jesus wanted Faith a lot! Your faith has saved you, your faith has healed you, if you only had faith... His free gift is Given via his free Grace all we got to do is believe/have Faith in who he is and in what he did in order to be saved. If we believe in the Son of God the Father we are saved. Deny him to NO man and openly declare him, if you show no denial of him he will not deny us to the father.
Amen!!!!
Even after I became Born-again OSAS BELIEVER as an Ex Agnostic.
In this phycical world '
Atheist's/ Agnostic mindset is reality in this phycical world '
Jesus have at the end of the day give us this phycical world experience '
Its impossible '
Supernatrual in this phycical world '
Yet you still Convicted its truth '
Who can you lose it when you're Convicted that something that's impossible in this phycical world '
Can't see it either or prove or disprove in sciense and rational reasons '
BINGO =
WHY OSAS IS THE GOSPEL '
❤ right on brother
SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT
Leadership from unlearned men is damnation
@@user-kp5gx6pp2v 10 minutes of research debunks this whole wall of text you posted to comment making a very vague, general statement. I suggest you study what the Nicolaitans actually believed & took into practice. You’ll see a clear distinction of doctrine and (ironically) work compared to what is being taught here.
@@DadsToaster Romans 8:12-14 KJV
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Colossians 3:5-10 KJV
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [6] For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: [7] In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. [8] But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. [9] Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; [10] And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Thank you so much for these videos brother. You’ve helped me so much
He's Frontloading works
There’s only one thing we must do to be saved. That is to believe on the finished work of Jesus on the cross. If that didn’t happen we all would be doomed.
The Bible disagrees.
The Nicolaitans taught osas and the Lord hated their doctrine. Rev 2:15
"Nicolaitans were one of the heretical sects that plagued the churches at Ephesus and at Pergamum, according to Revelation 2:6,15. Irenaeus identifies them as followers of Nicolas, one of the seven chosen in Acts 6, and as men who "lead lives of unrestrained indulgence". He also relates them to Gnosticism: "John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith (the deity of Christ), and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that 'knowledge' falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word". There is also historical evidence of a Gnostic sect called Nitolaitans a century or so later.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans appears to have been a form of antinomianism, which makes the fatal mistake that man can freely partake in sin because the Law of God is no longer binding. It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth had a saving power.
Nicolaitans of the 2nd century seem to have continued and extended the views of the 1st century adherents, holding to the freedom of the flesh and sin, and teaching that the deeds of the flesh had no effect upon the health of the soul and consequently no relation to salvation."
@@user-kp5gx6pp2v I’m not debating a bot
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Great video! I appreciate how straight to the point they are!
Amen 🙏 brother in our Lord Jesus Christ ✝️ God bless
Great video as always, brother
Only by the blood of Jesus Christ am I made righteous and holy and set apart to the father
"That's not legalism, that's holiness!"
-- Minister of righteousness No. 735
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel! For Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. So it is no thing if his ministers be transformed into ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works."
Colossians 2:23
23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
One of the very very overlooked pieces of scripture that I’ve recently had my eyes opened to was when Jesus says “I am the way, the truth and the life.” Ok sure, he’s all those things. But behind just saying those things there’s meaning. In the tabernacle days, the structure of it had 3 doors or entrances to get to the most highs dwelling place where it was said that God himself stood. Those entrances all had a name, one called the way, another called the truth and lastly the life. So what does it mean when Jesus says he is all this? If you don’t go through those entrances, you can’t get to Gods dwelling place, and you won’t experience him and his presence. So in Jesus claiming to be those entrances he’s literally saying he is the ONLY way to get to the father. You can try all you want to sneak your way in, make a new way, rely on yourself but unless you follow the path, go through those entrances you won’t get to God. And Jesus is the entrances, the way and the truth and the life.
This is the teaching I grew up under that caused trauma in my life. I’m still healing from it everyday. I thank God for his grace and mercy. The fact he delivered me from it, shows he can definitely change this man too.
2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 4:30
Amen.
Well said
Working is working, believing is believing. Stay a believer and you will stay saved. It is not salvation by works, it is salvation by faith. Just as you are able to believe, you are able to continue to believe in what you have believed.
Amen 🙏🏻 Excellent teaching brother ”Matthew 23:39”For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.” Luke 13:35”Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
Wow. That is amazing, didnt see it like that before, how it ties in with everything else, just wow. The faithfulness of God is unmatched.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned (John 15:6). How can a man be in Jesus without being saved? He can leave Jesus, and then wither and end up being burned, which is go to hell, off course. One needs to abide in Jesus. Those are Jesus´ own words.
it's sickening how many christians are being deceived into this gnostic heresy of osas.
People love to play a part in their salvation.
We are wretched and that is the purpose of the law and Christ! To show us how fallen we are and how much we need Jesus!
Jesus died for a reason!
"And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation." Acts 2:40. I've never met a osas cultist that knew their bible. They know like 5 verses. The entire Bible teaches conditional salvation..
The Nicolaitans taught osas and the Lord hated their doctrine. Rev 2:15
"Nicolaitans were one of the heretical sects that plagued the churches at Ephesus and at Pergamum, according to Revelation 2:6,15. Irenaeus identifies them as followers of Nicolas, one of the seven chosen in Acts 6, and as men who "lead lives of unrestrained indulgence". He also relates them to Gnosticism: "John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith (the deity of Christ), and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that 'knowledge' falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word". There is also historical evidence of a Gnostic sect called Nitolaitans a century or so later.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitans appears to have been a form of antinomianism, which makes the fatal mistake that man can freely partake in sin because the Law of God is no longer binding. It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth had a saving power.
Nicolaitans of the 2nd century seem to have continued and extended the views of the 1st century adherents, holding to the freedom of the flesh and sin, and teaching that the deeds of the flesh had no effect upon the health of the soul and consequently no relation to salvation."
Thank you for videos like this. It's good to get a proper understanding. Matt. 5:16 and Titus 3:8. It's marked in my bible now.
Amen!! We are saved by the mercy of God in Christ Jesus, and we are upheld by His power. Let us then be merciful as He is merciful, not imputing one's trespasses against another, walking in spirit and in truth
"Let not mercy and truth forsake you;
Bind them around your neck,
Write them on the tablet of your heart,
And so find favor and high esteem
In the sight of God and man."
Proverbs 3:3-4 NKJV
If you think you can lose your salvation, then you are doing something to keep it.
Onorato, Bear in mind that not all deniers of eternal security believe that salvation is forfeited by way of sinning or not doing good works. The potential for believing that way is there and God only knows how many have fallen into that ditch of believing that way. Not all eternal security deniers give the same answer to the question of how salvation is forfeit and some of us recognize as true that when you stand before God at the judgement you will not be able to pat yourself on the back and give yourself any credit for meriting your getting saved or staying saved. Some of us see the way that you live your life as flowing from your faith or lack of faith and as something that testifies as to whether your faith is genuine or not. Just as good works and avoidance of sin did not contribute to you getting saved it also does not contribute to you staying saved. If your salvation can be forfeited then the forfeiture has everything to do with your faith and not your performance which naturally flows from your faith or lack of faith. On the eternal security side there is the equally real potential for people to fall into the ditch of believing they have a license to sin. By no means does your willingness to believe in eternal security mean that you therefore think that you have a license to sin. Often both sides do a poor job of rightly understanding what the other side truly believes and can be so quick to draw conclusions that may be accurate for some but not for all. Something that is very important to the issue of eternal security is the status of your future sins that have not yet been committed. If you will notice it is quite common for those who believe in eternal security to believe that their future sins have already been pardoned even though they have not yet been committed. They are also quite likely to hold to the atonement theory known as penal substitution and in doing so recognize Jesus’ death on the cross as a debt of sin substitute payment instead of a debt of sin payment substitute that God accepted instead of payment that would serve as the grounds on which debt of sin forgiveness would be extended unto men. I have a few questions for you. Do you maintain that your future sins are already pardoned? If all of your future sins have already been pardoned then is there any possibility that you might successfully avoid committing even so much as just one of those future already pardoned sins? Is there any possibility that God could freely choose to intervene and prevent you from committing even so much as just one of those already pardoned future sins? Seems to me that this would mean that they are all a foregone conclusion in God’s mind and you are fated to commit them all. Next, if Jesus paid in full your sin debt then wouldn’t that also mean that all of your sins were a foregone conclusion in God’s mind way back then nearly 2000 years ago and so you were fated to commit every one of those sins of yours that He paid off nearly 2000 years ago? How were the sins of mankind placed upon Jesus when He bore them on the cross? Let us consider the single sin of telling a lie. Is it that each and every lie that you have ever told and ever will tell was each individually imputed from you as an individual backwards in time to Jesus when He went to the cross? Or might it be that the sin ( singular ) of telling a lie was imputed from mankind in general to Jesus and because the sin of telling a lie was placed upon Jesus all lies are forgivable? Of course imputed righteousness is still direct to you as an individual seeing you are counted as righteous when you have faith in Jesus. If Jesus paid off your sin debt when He went to the cross then when did you really get saved? Did you get saved when He paid off your debt or did you get saved when you trusted in Jesus? If He saved you when He paid off your debt then did He pay off everyone else’s debt and therefore save everyone else? Thank you for taking the time to read the thoughts of this open theist.
Mr Beardy can walk as much as he wants, at some point he's gonna fall and break; he'll be desperately trying to salvage himself when he should be looking to the one who already saved him.
It’s all about Jesus from start to finish. Believing in Christ, faith, is a gift from God. John 6:44
It's almost like the pharasees when they kept saying but you don't keep the Sabbath
It is interesting that exactly this kind of preachers seem to be popular. Is it as if someone with horns is on their side as well.
How could i ever produce my salvation, maintain it, keep it and finish it? Are these guys joking?
Couldn't have said better. Glory to Jesus.
"Others will see the Lord in us" wow I just heard it now... I thought that WE are the one who will not see the Lord if we don't walk in holiness...
Yeh, me too. That one had perplexed me for years! I mean even a lot of "preachers and Pastors", don't understand this verse, and they have been to "Seminary" ....
But what about 15-16? How do we fall short of God's grace? Isn't grace salvation? Are the things listed in 16 a cause of our shortcoming? I'm still struggling here.
You have me hooked like a fish that could not resist, because if so be that you have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
I cannot save myself. How can I keep myself saved? My salvation - all of it - is due to Messiah.
I am holy because He is holy.
Ignorance is sìn the sin of ignorance
Wow I never thought I’d be in agreement with Pagani on anything! But he is correct about this.
Then Jesus began to denounce the towns in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you.
Matthew 11:20-22
Amen!!!
God, in His foreknowledge, knows who will respond to the Gospel.....He calls, He Justifies, He Sanctifies, and ultimately He will Glorify.
Bottom Line: If we could lose it, we would lose it. AND......taking Hebrews 6 out of context....once fallen...it is impossible to restore you. God have Mercy!!!!
Has anyone else noticed how there’s a strange connection between deliverance ministries and LOST? Look at all of the most prominent deliverance pastors: Alexander Pagani, Isaiah Saldivar, Vlad Savchuk, Richard Lorenzo Jr, Chris Lasala, etc. Apart from being deliverance pastors, they all share one common trait: they all deny eternal security. I’ve always found it very peculiar how these deliverance pastors have such strange hatred to OSAS.
not just them I also hate osas as it leads many to hell.
@@user-kp5gx6pp2v OSAS has greatly benefitted my life. It is very freeing for me. As a result i have tremendous gratitude and diligently serve the Lord !
Hallelujah we have salvation 😇❤️
On the basis of my best efforts, I will not see God. I can do no more than the criminal on the cross to keep myself out of hell. There’s no one who can keep me out of hell, except for the one who lived a sinless life, was mocked, scourged, and crucified. On the cross, He took my hell when He took the wrath of God the Father against my sin.
There will always be ppl who believe salvation is by baptism, works, or being prayed out of purgatory. I'm thankful it's by God's grace through the blood of Christ. We do works after we're saved because it shows agape love which pleases the Lord and is commanded by Him, not in order to keep salvation. He's a faithful and trustworthy God that keeps us.
Hell is the holding place till the resurection.
Hypothetically,even if i were to supposedly live perfectly holy and turn from all my sins,i would've still ended up in hell.Cause turning from my sins doesn't change the fact i still sinned.Even if later stop doing them.I would still need to pay for the sins i turned from.But glory to God,he sent His son Jesus to pay for my sin debt.A sin debt i deserve to go to Hell for.Im righteous not because i do righteous,but because i have the righteousness of God imputed to me by faith.Who am i?A sinner saved by Grace.
I really want to ask these people what they define as “saved” because the way I see it saved means
Jesus paid your sin debt in full, separated your body of sins and placed them on the cross, then gives you eternal Life, and sealed you until the day God redeems us/calls us home to be with him.
If all this is true then how can one lose any of this?
References:
Colossians2:10-14
John5:24, John11:25-26
Ephesians1:13-14
I like how they try to make osas seems like the most liked or what most churches believes in but in real life it’s the other way around 80% of churches trust in there selfs 😭😭💯
thank God osas is rejected in most churches or more people would end up in hell trusting in gnostic heresy.
@@user-kp5gx6pp2v it’s funny u said that but the Bible say the opposite the Bible say he who’s loved by the world is a enemy of god Jesus also said majority of the world in the ppl who calm they believes in him don’t in going to hell 😭😂😂 you said nothing but prove my point the reason ik osas is true because majority of the world don’t believe it
What part of : Our works are filthy rags unto The Lord. Don't these people understand? Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the Life. Not us, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Sir's, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on The Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Matthew 25 34-46 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, ‘Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
For ( you just believed ) (no) For I hungered, and ye gave Me meat; I was thirsty, and ye gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took Me in;
naked, and ye clothed Me; I was sick, and ye visited Me; I was in prison, and ye came unto Me.’
Then shall the righteous answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when saw we Thee hungering and fed Thee, or thirsty and gave Thee drink?
When saw we Thee a stranger and took Thee in, or naked and clothed Thee?Or when saw we Thee sick, or in prison, and came unto Thee?’
And the King shall answer and say unto them, ‘Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me.’
“Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For (you did not just believe) (no) For I hungered, and ye gave Me no meat; I was thirsty, and ye gave Me no drink;
I was a stranger, and ye took Me not in; naked, and ye clothed Me not; sick and in prison, and ye visited Me not.’Then shall they also answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when saw we Thee hungering or athirst or a stranger, or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister unto Thee?’
Then shall He answer them, saying, ‘Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to Me.’And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal.”
Can someone please explain this? Thanks, God bless
One thing that i learned..... if you notice, the goats and the sheep were separated FIRST before they were judged. That is really important to understand. Also they are gentile nations that remained alive through the tribulation until Jesus came down to earth. My current position is that only faithful christians will live through the tribulation although many will die being martyred ( see Rev 20 ). All unfaithful christians will experience physical death in the tribulation. So the sheep are the faithful gentile christians who survived the tribulation and helped the remnant jewish believers ( these my brothers ) and they will enter into eternal life meaning they will receive glorified bodies, the goats are the gentiles who were never believers. Blessings
Fr so tired of false preachers
The following verses reminds of false teachers like Pagani who are called 'apostles'... they continue to put people back in bondage and make money off it also.
2 Corinthians 11
12 But I will continue to do what I am doing, in order to deny the opportunity of those who want an opportunity to be regarded just as our equals in what they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no great thing if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their destiny will be according to their works.
Colossians 2:23
23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
It blows my mind how confident and arrogant they are!
I absolutely cringe and fear for their souls when I hear them preach!
They don’t know Jesus they don’t even understand the scriptures, yet they are totally convinced they are right and that ‘free gracers’ are doomed to hell!
There is going to be a lot of gnashing of teeth when the Lord declares, ‘He never knew them’.
Very sad really, but only God can humble the proud!
We are saved by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, salvation is a free gift of God no one else. Once your saved you are sealed until you are rapture or die, to say other wise is insulting God the father I’m cool on that.
They don't think about anyone but themselves or how their teachings affect others. There are a lot of people who get gaslighted by these false doctrines that once they find out OSAS is the truth, but who cares about them right? Some people are in that mindset for years before they realize the truth.
Christ is the AUTHOR and FINiSHER of our FAITH (Hebrews 12:2).
Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”[e] 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
If we can unsave ourselves does that mean we tried to save ourselves to begin with?
When someone believes their ability to keep the moral law enables them to hold on to their salvation it reveals something important about their view of the law and God. Gods standard is perfection and only one Man is good enough to fulfill, he is the Christ. Therefore the attempt of any to uphold the law falls far short of this standard. So one would have to believe either they are perfect or they have a cheapened view of the law which diminishes the righteousness of Christ. This is not grace its karma. Karma is witchcraft making the attempt at obedience a ritual . The law is good but not simply because it's the law but because its a picture of the perfect nature of God. The new covenant is not option B. As if we aim to fulfill the old covenant and when we fail grace comes in to help us the rest of the way. "All things are lawful for me" "There is therefore no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus". We are not under law but under grace so how then could the law be used against us to bring condemnation from God?
Romans 3:20-24
20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
None us Good but God!
I instantly discriminated him due to his name starting with “Apostle”.
1 Corinthians 3:11-15
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Romans 4:4-5 Amplified Bible (AMP)
But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness (right standing with God).
These Arminians have been constantly attacking the Gospel recently! Before, it was the Calvinists like Macarthur, washer, Piper, etc. now these anti-osas Arminians and fake deliverance false preachers! And then there's the hyper-grace movement. The Christian life is a warfare indeed.
They are reformed baptists. No calvinists
@@Yoran87935 whatever they are called as most "reformed" baptists believe in the Calvinist tulip heresies to some extent.
That gentleman must be teaching you cannot loose your salvation but leave your salvation. Just like Pastors Mike Kestler, Chuck Smith, and others.
Why was Paul told to wash away his sins after he believed, trusted, and calling Him Lord?
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@@OnoDiamante Romans 8:12-14 KJV
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Colossians 3:5-10 KJV
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: [6] For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: [7] In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. [8] But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. [9] Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; [10] And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Yes, the Bible doesn't say just believe in Jesus and do as you please, however Paul wrote to the Galatians that they began in the Spirit and asked why they were then continuing in the flesh. You need Jesus to save you and then walk or rely on His Spirit to continue. Not a self help program. God saves from beginning to end.
Joh 10:27-30 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one”. (1John 5:11-12) And this is the record that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life". If you have eternal life today and not tomorrow I don’t think it’s eternal, is it?
If you can lose salvation you don't have it