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Adding Suspension and Shocks to Fifth Wheel RV
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2017
- Ron Hoover RV & Marine
5029 Columbia St, Corpus Christi, TX 78416
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AWESOME!!!!!! Just what I needed too see, I have a 5th wheel that I wanted too change out my equalizer but because mine has a 4" drop Mor ryde and Etrailer do not have a replacement component for me. These shocks are something I'm going too look into having installed on my camper. EXCELLENT job again, Love you're video's
Do joy rider make a kit for triple suspensions?
weatherherk1: yes
@@BigTruckBigRV I need to do this on our rig. Why Joy Rider over other systems?
Why in the world so RV's NOT have shocks from the factory?! This seems like a no brainer. Great vid!
I just bought a 2017 GMC 3500 Denali! Thank you again for the stuff you post on your channel it helped me realize I wanted a dually and helped me negotiate for a good price. Hopefully I would be able to show you the truck!
if you have solid axles, no suspension mods will overcome the inherent limitations. the solution to the issues you mention is to install 4 wheel independent suspension, such as the Timbren axles. then add 4 wheel disc brakes, controlled by electric over hydraulic.
Yeah, but the cost benefit ratio would be obscenely prohibitive for most part time RV’ers. To the tune of $8-10k
Good video. You are fortunate to have such a good RV shop near you.
Agreed!
new to your channel your videos are full of helpful information your narrating is extremely good.keep up the good work.i retired from the Marine corp.i purchased a 5th wheel artic fox I will be living in it full time.so finding your channel has given me a treasure of info .thank you for helping people like myself.i desperately need it.semper fi
Angel Velez USMC 0812: thank you sir. I appreciate your service. safe travels my friend.
Big Truck Big RV Thank you for your service
Your videos are all great, this seems like a must have, may stop a lot of small lose items from flying around in the 5th wheel. Keep up the good work.
U make a "boring" subject very interesting and as always very informative ... Thanks
Thank you!
Good shop. Glad they let you stay and film. Most places wouldn’t want that.
It's cool they let ya hang out in the shop with 'em!!! Sounds like an awesome RV dealer!!!
It would be interesting to see a video of the inside ride of the trailer before and after the upgrade.
I'm going to have my local shop do the same thing to my RV. it seems to perform significantly better than the factory suspension
Great job, I was not familiar with that system. Thinking of replacing our axles with the mor-ryde IS... a bit drastic but i like the system.
I have a Chapparel also. I bought the tires like you one size larger than you. 235/85r16 and now I have to look into the shock set up. I have had problems with my refrigerator in mine and both A/c units have been replaced I would love to talk with you more about your experience with your coach. Thanks for sharing.
Another great video some how you've copied my playbook for 5th wheel upgrds as I have recently gone with Anderson Ultimate hitch and have same results on my 38' KZ toyhauler with Dexter Axles and Eze Flex spring equalizer and LCI never fail bushings and Monroe Gas Magnun trlr shock absorbers. Furniture, cargo, and dinner ware travel alot better especially when boondocking on fire roads in woods. Keep up the great work.
I'm putting shocks on a trailer right now... Doing it in a real (shop) I suggest WELDING. Bolt in systems are mainly "bolt in" because most people don't weld. I'm glad to hear what a difference shocks make.....
Keystone tells me that to upgrade the equalizer on the Unit I just bought will Void my warranty by altering the trailer from its original design.
The person I spoke with sounded almost offended that I would go 'outside' the design of the suspension.
Sweet! Looking forward to learning more on your experience as you travel!
Thanks
Just catching up on videos from vacation and man your right, those Louisiana roads on 10 are ridiculous!!
Wonder Whats Next: simply a nightmare. And with your last trailer having a suspensiom hanger fail, I bet you were worried.
What was the cost for the product + labor? Looks impressive
Thanks for that mate boson258 just was not shore on what Thay did to get the bigger things in there
Good video, glad you showed this being done.
Awesome video! I might try to adapt this to my cargo trailer/car hauler.
They will holdup just as well as the rest of the POS lippert frame that your trailer has.
From arctic fox owner. Who builds their own frames!
I'm very happy that you're a satisfied AF owner because I do believe their units have many perks, however, in the last 7-8years they have adopted many of the design, engineering, and construction practices that LCI and the big manufacturers in Indiana do. This is almost a necessity as they have developed cost effective strategies to get them through the slow seasons. Honestly, there isn't much that differs between an Artic Fox Fifth wheel frame and many of the large volume brands. Their frame design is more inline with what you might see on a Columbus, Gateway, and Coachmen Fifth Wheel.
I enjoy your videos. I've learned so much from you and will buy my first 5th wheel very soon. Thank you.
Can confirm, I'm from Lafayette and as soon as I got out of the state I noticed our roads suck. Except South Carolina and Oklahoma's roads.
Daniel Perry in SC they have no idea how to build roads properly.
akbychoice The Secretary of the SCDOT said if nobody drives for 10 years in the state they can have all of the roads fixed
Interstate would be a lot better if it was paved instead of concrete with 5 inch joints between slabs
Daniel Perry on I-77 just coming into SC from Charlotte they but some new type of asphalt down that has ridges in it to reduce spray when it's wet... a year later the road needs to be replaced and I get a rock in the windshield every time I'm on it
Nice video! This is almost a "duh, why aren't they built with shocks in there in the first place?" moment...
I put 25k on my landscape trailer every year, you have just been a God send. Also something you didn't talk about is the bolts that old the springs on have a crimped lock nut and with rust is very hard to get off. When I mean hard I mean my 700ft lb impact gun will not budge them and I have to either heat them up with a torch or use a massive breaker bar. Then you have to be prepared to get the bolt out of the hole like with a air hammer or mall. This is easy job to do, but if you don't have the right tools it is impossible to do.
JCLawn51 Or penitrating fluid and let it sit for a day or so. Keep recoating it and itll come off. The only rusty bolt that ever let me down was one from an 83 dodge d150 stepside with original factory shocks that i replaced right after buying the truck in 2015. Had to use a bolt cuter otherwise every other rusty bolt popped out with ease.
Very informative,,,,great job, thanks very much. This will save a lot of wear and abuse on my 5th wheel.
Do you have an update for the long term durability of the Joy Rider shocks? There is a review on Amazon showing a set where three of the lower shock brackets cracked and one broke off entirely!
They should do this modification at the manufacture before the coach even leaves the factory, especially because of the safety aspect of it.
Could you place wood blocks under your front jacks before you lower them to eliminate some of the distant you need to raise the ball out of the socket?
I live in Louisiana, and he is correct, I-10 will bounce the hell out of your 5th wheel.
Have you considered the Lipperet air-ride Suspension upgrade for tandem axle? It really sounds like a great concept.
Nope. I believe LCI is ending it's production as well
Big Truck Big RV
Is there a problem with them?
I was considering installing them on my Outdoors Mountain Series 5th.
Just watched this video on "Adding suspension and shocks to 5th wheel RV" and you do a great job of catching all the details. Can you give a estimate for the cost of part and labor to do this?
Good Stuff, Great Tips😃👍🏿
After they removed and replaced everything did you have them do an alignment so the tires wear right?
With all the money you pay for a RV ($100k+), why don't they do simple things like this to make them safer? Or at least option therm?
BigDirtyBasterd an rv has an engine that drives a vehicle. 5th wheels are classified as campers because they are towed behind a vehicle. Only a few campers produced are over $100k and they do have all the bells and whistles.
Actually, a 5th wheel is an RV. RV is a general classification that groups Motorhomes (Class A, B and C), 5th wheels and Travel Trailers.
An RV is any conveyance that is used for recreation. RV means recreation vehicle not motorized recreation vehicle. Anyway, you can easily spend over $100,000 on an RV pull trailer and they don't put these pieces on because the corporate offices that own these businesses need to be paid. Corporate profit is what is important to them, not nuts and bolts that hold the trailer together. I have seen top end RV 5th wheels with broken frames and chipboard on the bottom of the unit exposed to the elements.
Awesome video, very informative.
I really like the shock kit. FWIU, this kit is now sold under the Roadmaster name. But I have to disagree with the poster's enthusiasm of the self tapping bolts. I just had to re-build the fresh water tank support structure on our 5th wheel. To make a long story short, the water tank was held up by the same self tapping bolts. Most of them were coming out or pulling loose. The weak point is not the bolt, but the fact the metal they are cutting threads into, is not very thick. I replaced all of the self tapping bolts with 3/8" grade 8 bolts & nuts. Much better and stronger.
I just ordered this same Roadmaster shock kit for our 5th wheel. I will be doing the same thing I did with the water tank support structure repair. I will throw out all the self tapping bolts and use grade 8 bolts & nuts.
I don't know what you do for a living ... But you would make a veryvery good teacher or a "killer" salesman ... LOL
So its been a couple of years for the upgrade.. any thoughts on it now? how did it hold up and would you do it again or would you go a different route? Great video, thanks
Thanks for the information mate keep up the good work
Wow nice system. You are lucky to have a top notch service facility in your area. I live in North Georgia we have just one (Southland RV). Family owned and does service work only. We used to have 2 good service facilities but camping World bought the other. Enough said. By the way in my opinion that was one of your best videos. Can you give us an idea of what that system costs including install.
HDLowrider, I'm getting ready for Southland RV too do some service work because like you mentioned the other RV dealer is now part of CW, and I hear their service has declined. You on facebook?? If so look me up
great video I live in baton rouge and I hate ours interstates and roads.
Wow. That looks great!
You can see the side-play in that hanger. Weld in a gusset.
Please post the time in the video where you saw movement sir.
Not that this is not a criticism of the product. The factory hanger is not beefy enough.
If you find your way to Timberlake campground in Brandon MS, I'd love to meet and greet!
Sounds good
incompletehunter this is to funny, I lived there for 10 years. I worked at C&S Marine. wish I had stayed there. we love full time rving.
Since you put the Joyriders on over a year ago, I was wondering how your experience has been with them? I like the idea and need a solution for my GD Solitude 5th wheel, but am concerned about the reviews that said the mounting brackets of others have cracked.
Curious if you could do a video of the camera and the mount you used for under the trailer? Also do you do anything to protect the camera or lens from rocks and sand that might kick up under the trailer?
What tire set up are you running on your RV? Thanks for all your videos!! Learn something new almost every time I watch one.
Sailun S637
Wow. Super easy install. But, maybe it's just my propensity to overbuild things, but, those shocks in a single shear mount setup are questionable to me. Yes, the metal is extremely thick, but I would wonder about the torsional load that it puts on that bracket(s) with the extension piece over time. Although, I didn't recall if they are simply oil filled, or nitrogen, but I still wonder. I sure do like it, though.
Luke Edward I had similar thoughts. It reminds me of how shocks are mounted on motorcycles at the fender.
I would like to take my 5th wheel there to have the hitch you mentioned you are using also the suspension upgrade can you give me more info.where about location I live in Delaware and the regional rv service here is terrible thank you your videos are a great source of info to me keep up the great work.semper fi
Angel Velez USMC 0812: I'm sure they would love to do the work for you. They are in Texas though.....worth the trip. I put their information in the video description. Thank you for your service brother.
Interested to know how those no lube shackles worked out after a year or two.
Which is better in your opinion, the never fail or the wet shackels?
Have you ever thought of using air bags like on your truck but installing them on your 5th wheel???
Which RV Suspension is better and why? Joy Rider, Roadmaster, MORryde etc...
I have a silly ? For ya with the fridges that are full size that are in the RVs how on earth do u get them in and out if u have to replace them when not working as the doors don't look that wide
Shane Daft: they are installed during the interior construction, generally before the side walls are installed. They are removed by taking out one of the larger windows, slipping the fridge through, then reinstalling the Windows.
Can you tell me how the mounts are holding up. See some failures of the mounts online.
I like your videos and thanks for the info, I have been telling many people about Sulastic Springs since your video on them. Oh no I feel a sales pitch coming on! I do Sales & Installations for Performance Trailer Braking we install Electric Over Hydraulic Disc Brake Conversion! I would like to talk soon I'm in Texas for a few more weeks! Thank you and God Bless!
Dennis Hageman: email me at Bigtruckbigrv@gmail.com
I have a question for you. My new 5th wheel is very shaky when parked, leveled and jacked. Everything is great until someone starts walking around or my two 80lb dogs wake up. Then it feels like a 8.0 magnitude earthquake while I’m lying in bed. What I can do to minimize this movement?
great video
WHAT TRAILER HITCH ARE YOU USING HERE??? IT APPEARS TO BE AN ANDERSON LIKE HITCH??? IF YOU CHANGED WHY AND WHICH ONE.?
What did install cost? How many total shop hours? Great video, especially the shots of underneath watching how it all works.
I've noticed a Joy Rider user has experienced fatigue cracking in the lower brackets with one of the brackets failing completely with that shock absorber just hanging freely. Are you seeing anything like that in your install? I also notice that the product is now labelled Joy Rider 2. I can't really see the difference between the original and the "2" version from photos though.
Ron, next time you work on shackles, take the shackle set it over a short piece of pipe, drop the bolt in, now you can drive it in place with a hammer. You should never take those nuts back off once tighten them up. Those are crush type locknuts.
Am I missing a comment on the cost of the installation of both the Suspension and shocks to the 5th wheel? I will be purchasing a 5th wheel in the very new future and would like to know how much these add-on's would set me back. I am retired and will be F/T RV'ing.
is it the same on all double axle 5th wheels or does the model of the 5th wheel matter
I am curious if this is still a good thing for a Travel Trailer? I have a 3000 mile trip for the summer and I am interested in completing this upgrade prior to that.
wow i didn't expect drum brakes
Pretty common on travel trailers and fifth wheels under $100k
Wish my little trailer had lighter springs and shocks.
How did your trip through LA go????, Did your suspension hold up and when you git big holes, did you notice a large difference in the chucking??
can you do some more truck reviews?
Levi Brock: always. I mix them up.
Was Hector or Adam the one with the shirt
I love your videos, always well done and informative. I am curious though, what made you choose the Joy Rider over other systems and over air ride systems?
Thank You.
Bob
I really enjoy your videos and plan to get my bushings changed out. Just curious it you have considered putting disk brakes on your 5th wheel. I really think stopping quicker would be a huge safety improvement. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Also I am probably going to with to an Anderson hitch just to get it in and out of the bed easier.
Doug Doris: I have considered and may do that as a future upgrade. Thank you sir!
Did you take the packaging straps off the shocks? They are not supposed to be on there while the shocks are in use.
Yes sir.
Hey, love your videos. Quick question. I have found that the rear axle on my fifth wheel is out of alignment by 3/8" compared to the front frame. Do you think that the never fail bushing kit would correct that? I was only curious that if the worn bushings would cause it to be out of alignment this much. Thanks!!
Question. I recently purchased a 2020 forest river cedar creek silver back. She's 16615 gvw with a drop z frame on the rear to accommodate for a larger rear basement. This is the front living model. The issue is that hooked to my 2017 chevy 3500 duramax the nose is High. The suspension is soft in my opinion and my rear end if low. So low I drag often.im so frustrated and was thinking about an upgraded equalizer or maybe more expensive air bag equalizers. Really would like your expert opion
Has anyone had any experience with the Liberty Rider system over the Joy Rider? Thanks
So is the AUH your go-to hitch now? Or are you just demo'ing it? I wonder if the AUH is compatible with a Trailair Airride pin box?
what do you think about moving to hydraulic brakes on your rv?
It totally shocks me that a similar system isn't standard on most trailers.
I'm not doughting anything, just got a question. with them self taping bolt's, with bumps and everything you deal with on the highway, and with metal expanding when hot wouldn't that make them loose?
and would you sometime make a video with a camera in the RV while you drive? love the product though
To be completely honest, I though the same thing might happen before actually seeing how well they tab and thread the hole. I'll inspect routinely and if there are any signs of them loosening, I'll report on it and change the fasteners to through bolts.
Big Truck Big RV I would use them as well bank says other wise lol best of luck and see you the next vid
Big Truck Big RV it looks like there might be enough thread on the self tappers to put a nylock nut on top.
Man I love seeing people using a torque wrench as a normal wrench, quickest way to ruin your torque wrench.
hey I really enjoy your videos man but if you would be so kind could you tell me the name of the rack on the back of your camper please cuz I just bought a new 5th wheel and I would like to get a rack for mine
Michael Anderson: did a full video on it about 2 months ago. Its the Lippert rear RV rack
I notice most RV wheels are not balanced, that would help lots on vibration reduction too
peterincgy the problem is trailer tires sit a lot, which causes flat spots which throw off the balance. So unless you drive constantly with the trailer the balance will be off anyway.
Good video!
have you removed the andersen hitch from your truck yet? The only complaint i have with mine is that it made small dents at a couple on the corners inside by bend where the hitch made contact with the bed.
I've heard of that happening. I have mine removed currently and hanging in my garage. I had no bed damage and I'm assuming that my Bedrug assisted in preventing the bed from being damaged.
Puts on tires that look like they could support a semi, 5 minutes later "rv suspensions take a beating" puts shocks on to soften the ride.
Do you think this is worthwhile on a triple axel?
How is the joy Rider system holding up or held up? The reviews don't look good at all. Also the jack stands they were using looks like harbor freight specials. I love mine. I've used them a ton.
Do the shocks change the height of the RV?
Are you still running the Anderson Gooseneck conversion
Great videos, Great content! Thank you!
Question: Now that you have had the Andersen on for a while, do you think you would ever use the Companion again? Or would this be something where you would use one or the other for different scenarios? Thanks, Joe.
if you dont mind me asking what part if texas are you from? Im from Houston.
Corpus
i10 is only truly bad was of the basin bridge. sulfur is truly bad though
Looks like super strong good quality stuff, thanks for sharing! Are there trailers or fifth wheels that come with this kind of quality suspension?
Did you do the Dexter EZFlex equalizers, or were they on your 5th wheel when you got it? I’m very curious as to the difference in the towing experience just with that upgrade.
Thanks!!
it came with the EZ Flex. I've switched to Morryde SRE4000 and it's amazingly better.
What's the camper weight and gas mileage of your diesel
Mike&Anna H: Roughly 15k and between 11-13 towing