After watching this I’m inclined to think the Morryde products are the way to go. The name of the game in reducing the shock delivered to the trailer by a road impact is suspension travel. The longer the distance that absorbs that shock the less of it is likely to be transmitted. The Morryde units seem to offer a lot more travel than the competitors and thus would be my preferred choice after watching this. It would be great if you and E-Trailer could instrument a travel trailer and then drive it on a test loop with each of these suspensions fitted to get some true real world data on their performance.
Excellent comparison and review of these components JD. Our Keystone Cougar came with the Lippert Road Armor but with only standard shackle straps, bolts and the Never Fail nylon bushings. I kept the Road Armor Equalizers but replaced the hardware with the MORryde shackle straps, wet bolts, and brass bushings.
we put the dexter ez flex set up on our 28 ft 7500 lb travel trailer and it is awesome. noticed difference in ride quality right away, rides so much better
When we bought our Surveyor Luxury 251RKS in 2020, the Morr-Ryde was a factory option. We had to buy from dealer stock and then added the CRE3000. Very glad we did. We put 7k + miles per year and just lube the suspension each year.
I have a 2017 Heartland Road Warrior triple axle Toyhauler that had the CRE 3000 equalizers on it when I purchased it. I did just recently upgrade to the Morryde heavy duty shackles with the greaseable "wet bolts" I also added the Morryde crossmember on the rear most axle of my 3 axles to strengthen and tie together the shackles mounts, especially when making tight turns backing.
I have a 3 axle 5th wheel that I upgraded with the Dexter EZ-flex. After many years in service, the rubber blocks have split. When I bought the kit, it came with a lifetime warranty.
Excellent synopsis on these components! I upgraded my 2006 Weekend Warrior SLC3905 Tri-Axles with the Dexter system and really loved it. Now, with our GD Reflection 320MKS, I feel alot better about the CRE3000 being on there. I wish we had the money to upgrade to the MorRyde IS!!! I wish, though, you had covered the suspension hangers a little in depth, because as with anywhere you add beefier components something else has to bear the brunt, as well as the springs themselves because there are way more suspension failures with these two items than anything else.
Cre3000,1/2 " wet bolt shackle straps, 6 Goodyear Endurance tires, I carry 2 spares,, total cost with tires, under 2 grand.. After 6k miles, I don't know why more do the upgrade. Piece of mind especially out west where there aree miles of nothing and less stress on your rig. As a rv tech I tell my customers to upgrade, you won't regret it.
So, I see most all of them have different distances from the hole centers on the ends (where the leaf spring shackles bolt to). Can they all be interchanged on any given travel trailer? Do the angles of the shackles compensate for the hole to hole differences in distance?
When I did this upgrade I found that the only setup that fit was the Dexter. I've got a Heritage Glen 286RL with a 33inch axel spread. The Morryde products did not fit so had to go with Dexter EZ Flex. Measure before you buy!!
Torsion would likely win out EXCEPT in the area of equalization. Torsion axles do not equalize weight and can sometimes cause an excessive amount of tongue weight.
CRE3000 When I had mine installed in an Outbac, I forgot a coofee cup on the counter. The roads home in Commiefornia are crap. Parking is interesting as on a hill but when I went inside, the coffee cup was still on the counter! Sold on the upgrade with 1/2 shackel straps. However after a 6000 mile road trip I noticed the strap had dented the cre300 quite a bit. I40 strikes again!
I have the dexter ez flex on my 8.5x16 enclosed trailer and they work great. It rides a bit smoother than the stock equalizer. Also I run 7k dexter axles.
Thank you for all the information I have them all right. I bought an alliance Ballard 37. Is there anything else you think I should do thank you for your assistance😊
When will liquid springs offer a suspension for trailers. You would think they would offer one for 5th wheels too. Have you driven a truck or motorhome with the liquid springs on them yet. Most people that have them like them.
Curious to know if Morryde AllTrek 4000 is replacing the SRE4000 in their product lineup. I have the SRE4000 and haven't had issues with it but wondering if the AllTrek has advantages worth considering.
Thanks for posting! I'm not interested in upgrading a leaf spring suspension system, but given that there are so many more travel trailers in my price range that have leaf springs (and I'm not buying a trailer with a leaf spring), how difficult/expensive (assuming it's even possible) might it be to replace a leaf spring suspension with a Dexter torsion bar suspension? Thanks!
Man I wish this came out a week ago! I just got the CRE3000 to install on my new trailer. Was gonna do it myself but to save time the dealer is gonna do it. Seriously interested in the road armor shock system and slipper springs in the future.
Agreed, and why do travel trailers ride 36" from roadway to floor? It is exponential more safe to have a lower center of gravity like you find on horse trailers.
@@robertpolkamp you must only travel on the freeways. Ever pull off on forest service roads or boondock? Even a steep driveway will cause the rear of the trailer to drag. I NEED ground clearance. ORV trailer pulls like a dream.
Hey JD! Would you consider putting any of these on your Texas Pride utility trailer or do you feel like it will not be a big enough benefit to do so? I've been considering upgrading the suspension on my Sure-Trac Landscape trailer but didn't know if it made sense or not. I'm leaning more towards not.
I wouldn't be able to because it's a completely different design of equalizer. Equalizer on my Texas pride trailers is a c channel that is about 16" long.
My 2011 Montana 5er came with MorRyde LRE4000 (YES, "LRE") which utilize a fixed center equalizer with a very large high durometer rubber shear spring to allow articulation and damping. Not available for after market however. Also using an X brace and Roadmaster Comfort Ride shocks. Provides a very nice ride!
Curious if you have any experience or thoughts on a lift system for a 5th wheel? I have been very frustrated with trying to find a safe and reliable solution to get my truck and trailer level going down the road. My pin box is bolted as high inside the frame mount as possible. And my B&W companion is set a low in the trunk as possible. Stock Ram dually is the tow rig. Still out of level by at least 1.5 inches. Just looking for any thoughts or suggestions. Love the suspension video!
Could try the Morryde IS system (very expensive but worth it) OR possibly their SRE4000 with the XBrace system. It raises the RV about 1-1.5". Put a taller tire/wheel on and you might be where you need to be.
I feel like this is one of your biggest videos. If you want to repeat the success you could do similar comparisons between other things you frequently check like trailer tires or frames etc. 👍
I dont think you can go wrong with most of these upgraded components. I have an Outdoor RV with the Cre3000 with upgraded shackles and wet bolts, plus KYB shocks on each tire on my 29trx. It pulls like a dream.
You made some assumptions on how the LCI equalizers are built. I'm thinking opening them up might be interesting. It looks to me as if the equaflex has 2 pivot points, and the road armor has 2 arms. I'd love to know for sure.
Hello, thank you for the detailed video, it was very well done. I just installed a Reese Goosebox on a new (to me) 5th-wheel camper I just got. After installing the Goosebox I have found that the camper is not riding level and is sitting nose high. I can't lower the nose because I am already at only a 6" gap between my truck and the trailer. I also prefer not to flip the axles on the trailer to raise it that much. I was curious if any of the options you went over in this video would raise the camper ride height and help level out the trailer. It looks like maybe the AllTrek would with how much taller the device is. Any ideas or tips would be greatly appreciated!!
I installed the CRE3000 on my GD 22MLE and was unable to tell a difference. Installation was based purely on trust. So, how do you tell if there is a benefit?
At that age, it probably wouldn't hurt to replace the leaf springs. The eyelets at the ends can sometimes wear out. Also, I would suggest having the hangers reinforced. The Cre3000 or Road Armor would be good upgrades for your fifth wheel.
How do you determine it rides better with one of these installed? Can you feel it in the truck, does someone ride in the trailer, some sort of vibration instrumentation?
@@BTBRVReviews You're in a position to test the performance of these different parts on one of your trailers and get some actual data on what they do instead of seat of the pants opinions.
JD, did you end up installing the equa-flex? Curious on an update on that? I’ve got a 36’ travel trailer and really need to upgrade the suspension. etrailer seemed to recommend the Morryde system on one of the post I read but I can’t decide which one to go with. Are you able to sell any of those to your subscribers by chance?
WOW, fantastic video. I just subscribed. Very comprehensive yet in Laymans terms so everybody can understand. Look forward to checking out more content on your channel. I have a steel 7 x 16 cargo trailer converted to toy hauler.
I'd go with the MORryde Independent Suspension System with the Disc Brakes. Stay Away From The SUMO Springs, they have been a demise of several frames!!!
I've only seen 1 example of a frame section that was damaged indirectly due to the owners pulling the Fifth wheel into an area that stressed the entire suspension.
Saw one channel where they had frame damage on their 5th wheel and the factory blamed the damage on Sumo springs because they said it stiffened the frame more than it was designed for.
Our kz toyhauler came with the equaflex rocker boxes from the factory...doesn't have the thicker shackle straps or wet bolts though, probably gonna install those this spring. Rides nice
It would have been good if you measured in imperial as well. Because I have to stop the video.And look up what is what and then restart that's a big hassle.
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The best presentation on suspension components for an RV I have seen!👍🏻
After watching this I’m inclined to think the Morryde products are the way to go. The name of the game in reducing the shock delivered to the trailer by a road impact is suspension travel. The longer the distance that absorbs that shock the less of it is likely to be transmitted. The Morryde units seem to offer a lot more travel than the competitors and thus would be my preferred choice after watching this.
It would be great if you and E-Trailer could instrument a travel trailer and then drive it on a test loop with each of these suspensions fitted to get some true real world data on their performance.
Excellent comparison and review of these components JD. Our Keystone Cougar came with the Lippert Road Armor but with only standard shackle straps, bolts and the Never Fail nylon bushings. I kept the Road Armor Equalizers but replaced the hardware with the MORryde shackle straps, wet bolts, and brass bushings.
we put the dexter ez flex set up on our 28 ft 7500 lb travel trailer and it is awesome. noticed difference in ride quality right away, rides so much better
What a great comparative review of systems that keep us & our fellow travelers safe. Many thanks.
When we bought our Surveyor Luxury 251RKS in 2020, the Morr-Ryde was a factory option. We had to buy from dealer stock and then added the CRE3000. Very glad we did. We put 7k + miles per year and just lube the suspension each year.
Definitely one of your best non-rv review lately
I have a 2017 Heartland Road Warrior triple axle Toyhauler that had the CRE 3000 equalizers on it when I purchased it. I did just recently upgrade to the Morryde heavy duty shackles with the greaseable "wet bolts" I also added the Morryde crossmember on the rear most axle of my 3 axles to strengthen and tie together the shackles mounts, especially when making tight turns backing.
I have a 3 axle 5th wheel that I upgraded with the Dexter EZ-flex. After many years in service, the rubber blocks have split. When I bought the kit, it came with a lifetime warranty.
Did they honor the warranty and replace free?
Great comparison on the different products. You slightly mentioned Sumo springs. Would you still add those as well?
Excellent synopsis on these components! I upgraded my 2006 Weekend Warrior SLC3905 Tri-Axles with the Dexter system and really loved it. Now, with our GD Reflection 320MKS, I feel alot better about the CRE3000 being on there. I wish we had the money to upgrade to the MorRyde IS!!! I wish, though, you had covered the suspension hangers a little in depth, because as with anywhere you add beefier components something else has to bear the brunt, as well as the springs themselves because there are way more suspension failures with these two items than anything else.
Cre3000,1/2 " wet bolt shackle straps, 6 Goodyear Endurance tires, I carry 2 spares,, total cost with tires, under 2 grand.. After 6k miles, I don't know why more do the upgrade. Piece of mind especially out west where there aree miles of nothing and less stress on your rig. As a rv tech I tell my customers to upgrade, you won't regret it.
Thanks for this review and technical comments. I am buying a new Alliance Delta 252RL and will be modifying the suspension components myself.
So, I see most all of them have different distances from the hole centers on the ends (where the leaf spring shackles bolt to). Can they all be interchanged on any given travel trailer? Do the angles of the shackles compensate for the hole to hole differences in distance?
When I did this upgrade I found that the only setup that fit was the Dexter. I've got a Heritage Glen 286RL with a 33inch axel spread. The Morryde products did not fit so had to go with Dexter EZ Flex. Measure before you buy!!
A comparison and road test of these vs torsion setups would be fantastic
Torsion would likely win out EXCEPT in the area of equalization. Torsion axles do not equalize weight and can sometimes cause an excessive amount of tongue weight.
Wow thanks for such a great video on the difference between each one great job thanks 😊
I would never use a torsion axle trailer unless it was a single axle trailer. No way on a tandem to triple.
CRE3000 When I had mine installed in an Outbac, I forgot a coofee cup on the counter. The roads home in Commiefornia are crap. Parking is interesting as on a hill but when I went inside, the coffee cup was still on the counter! Sold on the upgrade with 1/2 shackel straps. However after a 6000 mile road trip I noticed the strap had dented the cre300 quite a bit. I40 strikes again!
I have the dexter ez flex on my 8.5x16 enclosed trailer and they work great. It rides a bit smoother than the stock equalizer. Also I run 7k dexter axles.
Wish you would have included the Road Master 2570 Trailer Suspension Comfort Ride or at least add the shocks to the ones you did test.
Need some details about the summer Spring. If where how you would use it or not, use it on which component. Would you need both units together or not?
Thank you for all the information I have them all right. I bought an alliance Ballard 37. Is there anything else you think I should do thank you for your assistance😊
Can you do a follow up on your thoughts on the Trans Eagle Tires you put on your enclosed trailer?
Only asking as I have about 5k miles on mine on my 35' fifth wheel (10k#) and have been very happy with them and want your honest opinion.
When will liquid springs offer a suspension for trailers. You would think they would offer one for 5th wheels too. Have you driven a truck or motorhome with the liquid springs on them yet. Most people that have them like them.
Curious to know if Morryde AllTrek 4000 is replacing the SRE4000 in their product lineup. I have the SRE4000 and haven't had issues with it but wondering if the AllTrek has advantages worth considering.
Yes it is.
No one has gone in detail about this stuff, thank you. I have a 2018 jayco 298bh, what do you think. It's a big trailer?
Thanks for posting! I'm not interested in upgrading a leaf spring suspension system, but given that there are so many more travel trailers in my price range that have leaf springs (and I'm not buying a trailer with a leaf spring), how difficult/expensive (assuming it's even possible) might it be to replace a leaf spring suspension with a Dexter torsion bar suspension? Thanks!
Man I wish this came out a week ago! I just got the CRE3000 to install on my new trailer. Was gonna do it myself but to save time the dealer is gonna do it. Seriously interested in the road armor shock system and slipper springs in the future.
I have had the cre3000 welds break on my alliance 5th wheel. Replaced with alltrek4000. Crazy how much beefier that set up is.
Probably one of your most informative videos! Excellent work JD! Wishing you and your family a happy New Year! ❤
Agreed, and why do travel trailers ride 36" from roadway to floor? It is exponential more safe to have a lower center of gravity like you find on horse trailers.
@@robertpolkamp you must only travel on the freeways. Ever pull off on forest service roads or boondock? Even a steep driveway will cause the rear of the trailer to drag. I NEED ground clearance. ORV trailer pulls like a dream.
Hey JD! Would you consider putting any of these on your Texas Pride utility trailer or do you feel like it will not be a big enough benefit to do so?
I've been considering upgrading the suspension on my Sure-Trac Landscape trailer but didn't know if it made sense or not. I'm leaning more towards not.
I wouldn't be able to because it's a completely different design of equalizer. Equalizer on my Texas pride trailers is a c channel that is about 16" long.
My 2011 Montana 5er came with MorRyde LRE4000 (YES, "LRE") which utilize a fixed center equalizer with a very large high durometer rubber shear spring to allow articulation and damping. Not available for after market however. Also using an X brace and Roadmaster Comfort Ride shocks. Provides a very nice ride!
Curious if you have any experience or thoughts on a lift system for a 5th wheel? I have been very frustrated with trying to find a safe and reliable solution to get my truck and trailer level going down the road. My pin box is bolted as high inside the frame mount as possible. And my B&W companion is set a low in the trunk as possible. Stock Ram dually is the tow rig. Still out of level by at least 1.5 inches. Just looking for any thoughts or suggestions. Love the suspension video!
Could try the Morryde IS system (very expensive but worth it) OR possibly their SRE4000 with the XBrace system. It raises the RV about 1-1.5". Put a taller tire/wheel on and you might be where you need to be.
@@BTBRVReviews Thank you! I am going to look into those options!
I feel like this is one of your biggest videos. If you want to repeat the success you could do similar comparisons between other things you frequently check like trailer tires or frames etc. 👍
Slide types...
What about Morryde Independent Suspension? Any thoughts there?
Great system! It's great for larger/heavier fifth wheels. Costs nearly 20x what these systems do installed. But a great system.
I dont think you can go wrong with most of these upgraded components. I have an Outdoor RV with the Cre3000 with upgraded shackles and wet bolts, plus KYB shocks on each tire on my 29trx. It pulls like a dream.
This is what we come for.
Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the "bushings" bronze NOT brass?
You are correct. Misspoke
Great educational video. What about the Sumo springs for RV and truck? Do they soften the ride in a one ton srw and RVs?
What is the purpose of the leaf springs? It seems redundant to add these, and like there are more failure points to worry about
Springs adjust for total weight. Equalizers adapt to how the trailer sits on the road. They literally equalize between axles.
I'd love to see you do a comparison of the dexter torsion and morryde independent systems.
You made some assumptions on how the LCI equalizers are built. I'm thinking opening them up might be interesting. It looks to me as if the equaflex has 2 pivot points, and the road armor has 2 arms. I'd love to know for sure.
My assumptions were true though.
FYI... there are several videos that show the CRE3000 broken frame at the welds
Hello, thank you for the detailed video, it was very well done. I just installed a Reese Goosebox on a new (to me) 5th-wheel camper I just got. After installing the Goosebox I have found that the camper is not riding level and is sitting nose high. I can't lower the nose because I am already at only a 6" gap between my truck and the trailer. I also prefer not to flip the axles on the trailer to raise it that much. I was curious if any of the options you went over in this video would raise the camper ride height and help level out the trailer. It looks like maybe the AllTrek would with how much taller the device is. Any ideas or tips would be greatly appreciated!!
This video gave me some stuff to look at. Do you have an opinion on shock absorbing ball mounts? My truck is destroying my camper
Great video! In your opinion, which upgrade was the single most impactful towards reducing cabin shock? Equilizers or Sumo Springs
My 5th wheel doesn't even have leaf springs. So which one should I get?
None. You probably have torsion axles.
@@Turner2211 none axles are bolted solid
@@aprilfensom6412Do the hubs and the axle tube share the same center? If the hub is behind or in front of the tube it’s a torsion axle
@@servicetrucker5564 idk I'm out on the truck right now I'll look when I get back home thank you
kinda curious what your thoughts on the Timbren tandem axle silent ride trailer suspension
I believe it only works with fully boxed frame sections..
Love your channel. Just watched the episode of you comparing trailer suspension. Have you or can you do a review on lippert center point air ride ?
I installed the CRE3000 on my GD 22MLE and was unable to tell a difference. Installation was based purely on trust. So, how do you tell if there is a benefit?
My older rigis not very heavy, 10400 gvcw. Would that make difference in which upgrade would better?
Have a 2011 Cougar 27RLS and looking to to use one of these. Should I do a Leaf spring replacement too? Thanks
At that age, it probably wouldn't hurt to replace the leaf springs. The eyelets at the ends can sometimes wear out. Also, I would suggest having the hangers reinforced. The Cre3000 or Road Armor would be good upgrades for your fifth wheel.
@@BTBRVReviews do you have a suggestion on a product that can be welded to support the hangers?
How about the addition of gas shocks to these units?
How do you determine it rides better with one of these installed? Can you feel it in the truck, does someone ride in the trailer, some sort of vibration instrumentation?
You can generally get a sense of an improved ride from the shock or lack of shock that transfers to the tow vehicle when going over bumps.
@@BTBRVReviews You're in a position to test the performance of these different parts on one of your trailers and get some actual data on what they do instead of seat of the pants opinions.
@@runswithdogs6892I've made several videos testing and showcasing the differences in the past
@@BTBRVReviews Thanks I'll go back and find them.
My equaflex has 2 pivot points that are side by side. Giving more independent movement.
JD, did you end up installing the equa-flex? Curious on an update on that? I’ve got a 36’ travel trailer and really need to upgrade the suspension. etrailer seemed to recommend the Morryde system on one of the post I read but I can’t decide which one to go with. Are you able to sell any of those to your subscribers by chance?
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Thank you for another great video.
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Nice video but the beat one I have found is LCI air bag kit.
WOW, fantastic video. I just subscribed. Very comprehensive yet in Laymans terms so everybody can understand. Look forward to checking out more content on your channel. I have a steel 7 x 16 cargo trailer converted to toy hauler.
I currently have the EquaFlex on my Solitude 310GK (15k GVWR). Is there any advantage going to the MorRyde CRE3000 other than more travel?
Probably not. Both use rubber which can eventually need replacing. I like the independent nature of the Equaflex but the travel of the CRE3000
I'd go with the MORryde Independent Suspension System with the Disc Brakes. Stay Away From The SUMO Springs, they have been a demise of several frames!!!
I've only seen 1 example of a frame section that was damaged indirectly due to the owners pulling the Fifth wheel into an area that stressed the entire suspension.
Saw one channel where they had frame damage on their 5th wheel and the factory blamed the damage on Sumo springs because they said it stiffened the frame more than it was designed for.
@@dalemarshall9736 Is anyone really “shocked” that they would blame something other than themselves?
Better to have a hanger fail vs a spring break or frame crack. Hangers are easy to replace & cheap
Nice comparison!
Our kz toyhauler came with the equaflex rocker boxes from the factory...doesn't have the thicker shackle straps or wet bolts though, probably gonna install those this spring. Rides nice
Bushings went to powder in 1 year replaced with Dexter ez flex. 2016 Kz toy hauler best upgrade
Could you please update us with which system you chose?
I went with the Equaflex on my trailer. I'll be installing another one on my dump trailer.
What 225/75/15 g rated tires would you recommend
I just noticed on my trailer that one of my shackles is pointing down on the right side. Problem?
Put the ez flex in a vise and see if it actually compresses much.
Thanks! Good info well presented
Missing the Lippert Center Point Air-Ride
Equaflex looks interesting
Use of Sumo springs will void frame warranties. They're bending frames and breaking off spring hangers. Avoid.
Great info!!! Thanks
Do you have a retainer in or Invisalign’s? lol I watch too many of your videos to know this.
To bad they didn't show what a wash board situation would look like on the springs an equalizer hmm wierd
whats wrong with stock component's?
Too stiff not enough travel
It would have been good if you measured in imperial as well. Because I have to stop the video.And look up what is what and then restart that's a big hassle.
Thanks! Like 716
Put shock absorbers on these POS trailers.
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Lift springs are perfect for an equipment trailer. They shouldn't be on $100k RVs. RV manufacturers are just being cheap.
Waaay too much time over the shackle straps…