I remember reading that belted cases should be sized so that the case shoulder positions the cartridge in the chamber, and not the belt. They said that the belt was made for the 375 H&H magnum because it had only a slight shoulder to position the cartridge in the chamber, and that shoulder may not be enough to hold the cartridge in place during firing, in some cases. The belt was held over in the magnum cartridges based on the 375 H&H mostly as a marketing gimmick. Other than the 375 H&H, the only standard cartridge that I can think of that needs that belt is the 458 WM, because it has no shoulder.
Good chamber specs and quality set of dies can get a lot of miles out of belted brass. I always headspace off the shoulder as well. Usually three neck sizings and then a slight shoulder bump with a body die. Redding comp dies. Easy dozen firings with good quality brass. If you're using FL dies every time you're gonna get case head seperation very quickly. Just my experience.
The belt was originally for the old 300 H&H Which , as you know has a long shallow shoulder as it was designed to use the propellant of the time. The belts stuck around because the h&h was used as the parent case for a myriad of Cartridges. That being said, I use both Belted and non belted Cartridges and have had no problems with either.
To: mausermonger koziczkowski - Nope. The first belted cartridge was the Holland & Holland .375, in 1912. It was given a belt near the rear of the cartridge case to better "Headspace" because the case taper was not as much as most other cartridges of that era/time ( such as the 7mm Mauser or the .30-'06 Sprg.. ) The belt helped the cartridge to "fit". Both cartridges had "Brother" cartridges by with a "Rim" instead of rimless & belted. They were called "Flanged rounds". Other European makers did the same thing, especially German & Austrian makers. The same case capacity and bullets but the "Flanged" ( aka: Rimmed ) were for Single shot, Double rifles or Drillings, whereas the rimless / belted were for Bolt-action magazine rifles. In about 1925 H & H necked down the case to hold a .30 caliber bullet and it was called Holland's Super .30. Now it is commonly called the .300 H & H magnum. It can be handloaded with many different .30 caliber bullets ( as can the .30-'06 ) from 110 grain to 220 grain. Winchester chambered their Model 70 in .300 H & H in 1937. You can get much information from a book titled: "Cartridges of the World" by Frank Barnes , edited by John Amber, and later by Ken Warner. Published by Gun Digest Books and by DBI Books. Different editions over the years. Lists of U.S. and international cartridges , obsolete and alive. History and dimensions and suggested uses. Rimfire, centerfire, shotgun shells.
I would think resizing a belted case like randy explained in an early video with a slight resistance when the bolt closed would be best and get longer brass life and not have all these issues, although listening to this video has my wanting to replace my 7mm mag with a 28 nosler
....AND a great die it is, a custom chamber-matched die like that would be the only superior & one step better than the Willis which would be quite expensive, so, yes the Willis which I bought I am very happy with, especially since each of my rifles have dedicated cases to them.
What I have seen is that belts allow a straight case to headspace properly without the use of a rim. That said, I have also seen many cases as such have too much headspace to shoot accurately. I have one belted cartridge rifle, a 458 win. It shoots inside a silver dollar at one hundred yards with open sights off hand. I won't sell it because I will find another one. Most belted stovepipes shoot in the range of 4 MOA at one hundred I have found. The rifle I speak of is a Rem 798 made in Serbia on a commercial mauser action, good luck finding another that will shoot that well.
I want my case to headspace on a tapered shoulder not a perpendicular belt. One way promotes concentricity and the other doesn't. Edit: my rifles uses spring ejectors that force the round to the shoulder. If I had a control round feed I'm not sure my logic would be valid.
the one reason certain MIL. Command appreciate the belted is because todays technology can produce very precision, uniform, consistent cases accurately for large number of sniper/dmr rifles with the same chambers, thus, headspacing off the belt allows for larger chambers without sacrificing consistent precision accuracy & the ever needed reliability of function in possibly the worst of dirty conditions making loading & extraction reliable,...& never a need to reuse/reload the empty cases anyway.
I've loaded for belted magnums in 7mm Rem., 300 Win. and 300 Weatherby for many years and have always gotten the same superb accuracy that I have in any other beltless case rifle calibers such as 270, 25-06, 308 etc. Admittedly, I'm one of those "neck size" guys... In 50 years of keeping things simple and following the "K.I.S.S." principal I've never had an issue. I use Remington model 700 rifles. I'm looking for 1/2 inch or better groups at 100 yards with high performance high velocity loads for hunting, not target shooting... Brass life varies with the brand. I haven't tried Randy's method of sizing yet, but intend to in the future with a new project rifle chambered in 7mm Remington Magnum. I wouldn't sell my belted magnums for non-belted, no logical reason to do so...
Hi Randy. New subscriber here. I was just curious as to what your thoughts were on the .375 Ruger cartridge? Thank you for your time. God Bless you and your wife.
It seams the 300 and 375 H&H where belted for good headspace because those cases where long tapered so they did not headspace good on shoulder. Then as new rounds where formed from those cases they just keep the belt, but now today new magnum rifle cartridges have done away with belts, eg 300 Remington ultra mag or 338 Lapua.
I was going to give your post a "Thumbs up" but then I noticed your avatar is a pentecostal health & wealth guy who thinks there 9 members of the Trinity. :-(
The problems with belted cases may be why the buying public getting away from them and going to beltless magnum cartridges. Head spacing on the shoulder the beltless magnums can handle the presures the belted ones can. For reloaders we prefer beltless. its what we are used to also.
Yeah, I don't like the abrupt stress riser seems to be a mistake. If one tries to fire form cases it causes bulge that could weaken the fire formed case possibly causing causing case head Separation,gas cutting the chamber,and possible injury,right?
Neck sizing is fin to shoot at the bench. Full length to hunt, function when needed. After necking a time or two you'll need to go back to full length to chamber reliably, as cases become work hardened to the chamber. Thanks for watching.
I.m.h.o. the only way id want a belted cartridge rifle is if a truely competent smith had cut the chamber correctly for the cartridge. By the same token i prefer a smith chambered bbl over a factory one for all applications. Cost more but when done right its worth it. I dont have a randy built rifle. Basically because i dont have a need for another rifle other than what i have now...but when my bbl needs replaced on my 7mmWSM or my 300WSM BOLT GUNS, ill be getting w Mr. Randy about the job. Had a custom ar10 built in 300Wsm...sub .5" w factory precision hunter 200grns. She definitely shoots better than i do...the 308 upper that came off was 2"+ shooter. So thats my 2cents worth.
The belt was orginally placed there for headspacing in chambers on double rifles, break open style actions. It is an old wives-tale that came about calling it a "belted magnum", the "belt means it's a magnum"....lol - it was a magnum because it was big when it came out in 1912. Now, I have heard that the reason the military went with the .300WM for the specific reason that the one-time use of the cases made for the military can be made to headspace off the belt,(as usual), & accurately & consistent undersize for the chamber to allow for dirty conditions with out extraction problems, so long as the cases are made accurate & consistent, but small for the chambers, & utilizing that belt for what it was orginally designed for, headspacing, the precision rifles will still shoot as accurate as any precision rifle, now the first-time fired spent cases will be difficult to resize accurately because of spring-back & may require 2-step dies, but, the military won't worry about that, they don't reload. Belts are the reason I dedicate new only brass/cases to rifles & neck size only, those cases never being shot in another chamber from new on till the end of life, & neck sizing only has worked great in my match chambered belted mags., that said, I am not an advocate of belts neither, but not going to necessarily run out & change-up now, getting the performance I do after shooting longrange target out to a mile the past 45+ years.
Rimmed cases do not work good in magazine style rifles, and the long taper of the early english sounds such as 300 super mags which were designed for cordite powders did not have enough shoulder to headspace on, thus the need for the belt , which is now worthless on modern (magnum) style cartridges
Sorry but I'm going to ask ask anyway. I've read that way back Holland & Holland on large bore, straight case, "non-shoulder" fire arms the used the belt to "assist" with head spacing. I really don't under stand for sure what I read. I do not see where the belt could be used at all to head spacing. Unless something has changed 30-06 or 243 or 223 all headspace off the shoulder. A rimmed cartridge off the rim. So please tell me where I'm wrong.
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I never liked belted brass.it just didn't look right.although I guess it's necessary.i don't care,I can live without those magnum calibers.i like 22 win.mag.rimfire ammo.though.
Consider the lee was one of the longest lived war rifles, it wasn't a huge problem , the Russians also used rimmed in their rifles and machine guns for years ,
To: Tru Dat - The .303 Lee-Enfield SMLE battle rifle served the British & Commonwealth Forces for about 7 decades. It is a workhorse designed for hard use on a battlefield, not a once a year deer hunt 20 miles from home. The rimmed cartridge is always better than a rimless because they always will eject / extract. To this day men are still using the tried and true .303 Lee-Enfield as a hunting rifle. It gets the job done. { Ever hear of the "Mad Minute"? 20 rounds from a Lee-Enfield SMLE in one minute, bullets on target. ( the magazine holds 10 cartridges. ) For many years it was used in the Palma Trophy matches. Distances of the Palma matches were / 800, 900, & 1,000 yards. P.S. The venerable .303 Lee-Enfield has no belt. My Rimmed cartridges always eject / extract. .30-30 Win { Stevens Bolt-action ); .303 Brit; .22LR; .38 Spl.; .45 LC; and my 20, 16 and 12 gauge guns. Can't say that for rimless cartridges, especially in self-loaders.
NEVER HAD A GUN WITH A BELTED ROUND . THE ONLY THING I COULD REASON FOR THEM WAS THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE STRONGER . I HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS AS MUNCH SIZING TOLERANCES TO DEAL WITH , GLAD I NEVER ENDED UP WITH ONE . IS THAT A REAL INDIAN MADE SPEER OVER YOUR STOVE OR A STORE BOUGHT SPEER ? MY NEIGHBORS HAVE FOUND ARROW HEADS , POTTERY, A FLESHING STONE AND SO ON BUT I HAVEN'T FOUND A THING .
From The Real Gunsmith's Wife: Our youngest son, Landon, did a lot of flintknapping starting at age 13. I think he made that when he was 14 or 15. His flintknapped knives sold in A. G. Russel Knife Catalog and Russell's for Men catalog for about 20 years.
So if I may ask... you only want .002 - .003 from the end of the go-gauge, to the end of the threads on the barrel? I'm testing one I have, and it has .011...?
Imagine you are standing ten yards from a grizzly bear standing and looking at you ,, now tell me that you would rather have that creedmoor, than a 338 Winchester magnum with a belt on it and 250 go nosler partitions ,, and I’d say that you guys have balls the size of texas
Brent Busick that’s a big yes , we all know that it ain’t the belt , it’s the bullet weight , if you want things to stop quickly, just pick the right bullet over 200 grains and things die very fast like about ten seconds or less
Kirk Martin it is , the right bullet is the difference, and for some animals, shot placement works wonders , and to think this article was not even about what I was talking about , it’s about the belt on cartridges,, that serves no purpose, ,,,I spoke up because I felt like a lot of people have got the wrong idea about cartridge selection now days , I am 64 and started reloading at 12 ,, I had a neighbor with a range and reloading equipment and he took me in , and yes it took a lot of years to learn that our choices make a lot of difference in our success. Now after five hundred deer and a lot of other game , I know what really works ,,, and that is as much energy ft pounds as you can stand to shoot.
To: Bobby Green - Well, if a Grizzly Bear was nearby and mean and hungry, I would want a Barnes-X bullet or a Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet NOT a fragmentation device item from Nosler.
You should've just come out and said that the belt on the belted cases are not necessary and only adds complexity to its shape and manufacturing process.
@@TheRealGunsmithI've owned 300 Win Mag. Rem. 700 BDL in the 1970-80s and reloaded and shot several hundreds of rounds. I like the power of the 300WM. I don't dislike the 300WM round. The belt on the belted cases are not necessary, and if the 300WM case was made without the belt, the case would be just as strong and the round just as powerful, assuming the powder volume didn't change. I hope you're not offended by that statement.
I remember reading that belted cases should be sized so that the case shoulder positions the cartridge in the chamber, and not the belt. They said that the belt was made for the 375 H&H magnum because it had only a slight shoulder to position the cartridge in the chamber, and that shoulder may not be enough to hold the cartridge in place during firing, in some cases. The belt was held over in the magnum cartridges based on the 375 H&H mostly as a marketing gimmick. Other than the 375 H&H, the only standard cartridge that I can think of that needs that belt is the 458 WM, because it has no shoulder.
if you only shoot the reloaded cartridge in one rifle you can do that
@@shallpion Do what?
Stopping the video at 20 seconds...please dont break my heart, I have a love affair with my 300wm and 7mm rem mag lol
Don't feel bad...I can't and won't quit them either
300 Remington Ultra Magnum, the power you need, and the range you Desire . Now belt less, find at your local gun shop today !
Good chamber specs and quality set of dies can get a lot of miles out of belted brass. I always headspace off the shoulder as well. Usually three neck sizings and then a slight shoulder bump with a body die. Redding comp dies. Easy dozen firings with good quality brass. If you're using FL dies every time you're gonna get case head seperation very quickly. Just my experience.
I watch Mr. Selby shoot off his bench.i am going to imitate the way he uses his left hand on top of his scope.its cool!
The belt was originally for the old 300 H&H Which , as you know has a long shallow shoulder as it was designed to use the propellant of the time. The belts stuck around because the h&h was used as the parent case for a myriad of Cartridges. That being said, I use both Belted and non belted Cartridges and have had no problems with either.
....lol.....the 300 H&H has the .375 H&H as its parent case which came out in 1912 vs its little son - the 300H&H in 1925
@@ericrumpel3105 The 375 was also made as a rimmed for use in double guns
To: mausermonger koziczkowski - Nope. The first belted cartridge was the Holland & Holland .375, in 1912. It was given a belt near the rear of the cartridge case to better "Headspace" because the case taper was not as much as most other cartridges of that era/time ( such as the 7mm Mauser or the .30-'06 Sprg.. ) The belt helped the cartridge to "fit".
Both cartridges had "Brother" cartridges by with a "Rim" instead of rimless & belted. They were called "Flanged rounds". Other European makers did the same thing, especially German & Austrian makers. The same case capacity and bullets but the "Flanged" ( aka: Rimmed ) were for Single shot, Double rifles or Drillings, whereas the rimless / belted were for Bolt-action magazine rifles.
In about 1925 H & H necked down the case to hold a .30 caliber bullet and it was called Holland's Super .30. Now it is commonly called the .300 H & H magnum. It can be handloaded with many different .30 caliber bullets ( as can the .30-'06 ) from 110 grain to 220 grain. Winchester chambered their Model 70 in .300 H & H in 1937.
You can get much information from a book titled: "Cartridges of the World" by Frank Barnes , edited by John Amber, and later by Ken Warner. Published by Gun Digest Books and by DBI Books. Different editions over the years. Lists of U.S. and international cartridges , obsolete and alive. History and dimensions and suggested uses. Rimfire, centerfire, shotgun shells.
@@gusloader581 my bad
@@gusloader581 t is still a good design.
I would think resizing a belted case like randy explained in an early video with a slight resistance when the bolt closed would be best and get longer brass life and not have all these issues, although listening to this video has my wanting to replace my 7mm mag with a 28 nosler
He made a video on the Larry Willis Magnum sizing die, that die resizes the area above the belt. Just an FYI for those that haven’t seen it yet.
....AND a great die it is, a custom chamber-matched die like that would be the only superior & one step better than the Willis which would be quite expensive, so, yes the Willis which I bought I am very happy with, especially since each of my rifles have dedicated cases to them.
I missed you. I also am saving for that Dream rifle. God's speed sir.
Its actually godspeed as one word
What I have seen is that belts allow a straight case to headspace properly without the use of a rim. That said, I have also seen many cases as such have too much headspace to shoot accurately. I have one belted cartridge rifle, a 458 win. It shoots inside a silver dollar at one hundred yards with open sights off hand. I won't sell it because I will find another one. Most belted stovepipes shoot in the range of 4 MOA at one hundred I have found. The rifle I speak of is a Rem 798 made in Serbia on a commercial mauser action, good luck finding another that will shoot that well.
I want my case to headspace on a tapered shoulder not a perpendicular belt. One way promotes concentricity and the other doesn't.
Edit: my rifles uses spring ejectors that force the round to the shoulder. If I had a control round feed I'm not sure my logic would be valid.
the one reason certain MIL. Command appreciate the belted is because todays technology can produce very precision, uniform, consistent cases accurately for large number of sniper/dmr rifles with the same chambers, thus, headspacing off the belt allows for larger chambers without sacrificing consistent precision accuracy & the ever needed reliability of function in possibly the worst of dirty conditions making loading & extraction reliable,...& never a need to reuse/reload the empty cases anyway.
I've loaded for belted magnums in 7mm Rem., 300 Win. and 300 Weatherby for many years and have always gotten the same superb accuracy that I have in any other beltless case rifle calibers such as 270, 25-06, 308 etc. Admittedly, I'm one of those "neck size" guys... In 50 years of keeping things simple and following the "K.I.S.S." principal I've never had an issue. I use Remington model 700 rifles. I'm looking for 1/2 inch or better groups at 100 yards with high performance high velocity loads for hunting, not target shooting... Brass life varies with the brand.
I haven't tried Randy's method of sizing yet, but intend to in the future with a new project rifle chambered in 7mm Remington Magnum. I wouldn't sell my belted magnums for non-belted, no logical reason to do so...
What is the kiss principle?
@@alphaomega2937 Keep It Simple, Stupid. From what I’ve heard.
I agree ,you are the man!
Hey, I sure appreciate you most excellent explanation. Thanks, I really enjoy your work.
Hi Randy. New subscriber here. I was just curious as to what your thoughts were on the .375 Ruger cartridge? Thank you for your time. God Bless you and your wife.
It seams the 300 and 375 H&H where belted for good headspace because those cases where long tapered so they did not headspace good on shoulder. Then as new rounds where formed from those cases they just keep the belt, but now today new magnum rifle cartridges have done away with belts, eg 300 Remington ultra mag or 338 Lapua.
I was going to give your post a "Thumbs up" but then I noticed your avatar is a pentecostal health & wealth guy who thinks there 9 members of the Trinity. :-(
@@gusloader581 the lord is one, however God is manifest in 3 persons. father, Son, Holy Spirit. Pastor Benny is a solid Bible teacher and preacher.
19 k subs 20 comments lol keep up th good work your very informitve
The problems with belted cases may be why the buying public getting away from them and going to beltless magnum cartridges. Head spacing on the shoulder the beltless magnums can handle the presures the belted ones can. For reloaders we prefer beltless. its what we are used to also.
Thank you.
Yeah, I don't like the abrupt stress riser seems to be a mistake. If one tries to fire form cases it causes bulge that could weaken the fire formed case possibly causing causing case head Separation,gas cutting the chamber,and possible injury,right?
Cases must fit a chamber with support head to shoulder.
Thanks for watching.
What about just neck sizing a belted cartridge?
Neck sizing is fin to shoot at the bench. Full length to hunt, function when needed.
After necking a time or two you'll need to go back to full length to chamber reliably, as cases become work hardened to the chamber.
Thanks for watching.
I.m.h.o. the only way id want a belted cartridge rifle is if a truely competent smith had cut the chamber correctly for the cartridge. By the same token i prefer a smith chambered bbl over a factory one for all applications. Cost more but when done right its worth it. I dont have a randy built rifle. Basically because i dont have a need for another rifle other than what i have now...but when my bbl needs replaced on my 7mmWSM or my 300WSM BOLT GUNS, ill be getting w Mr. Randy about the job. Had a custom ar10 built in 300Wsm...sub .5" w factory precision hunter 200grns. She definitely shoots better than i do...the 308 upper that came off was 2"+ shooter. So thats my 2cents worth.
Thanks! And I'll be glad to rebarrel when you have the need.
In the meantime, good shooting and thanks for watching!
The belt was orginally placed there for headspacing in chambers on double rifles, break open style actions. It is an old wives-tale that came about calling it a "belted magnum", the "belt means it's a magnum"....lol - it was a magnum because it was big when it came out in 1912. Now, I have heard that the reason the military went with the .300WM for the specific reason that the one-time use of the cases made for the military can be made to headspace off the belt,(as usual), & accurately & consistent undersize for the chamber to allow for dirty conditions with out extraction problems, so long as the cases are made accurate & consistent, but small for the chambers, & utilizing that belt for what it was orginally designed for, headspacing, the precision rifles will still shoot as accurate as any precision rifle, now the first-time fired spent cases will be difficult to resize accurately because of spring-back & may require 2-step dies, but, the military won't worry about that, they don't reload. Belts are the reason I dedicate new only brass/cases to rifles & neck size only, those cases never being shot in another chamber from new on till the end of life, & neck sizing only has worked great in my match chambered belted mags., that said, I am not an advocate of belts neither, but not going to necessarily run out & change-up now, getting the performance I do after shooting longrange target out to a mile the past 45+ years.
As far as I know the old doubles used rimmed cases
@@robertboyd3863 belt was on the modern doubles of 1912 & forward.
@@ericrumpel3105 You do know the 375 H&H was also made with a rimmed version for double rifles,
What belted rounds were commonly used in double rifles ?
Rimmed cases do not work good in magazine style rifles, and the long taper of the early english sounds such as 300 super mags which were designed for cordite powders did not have enough shoulder to headspace on, thus the need for the belt , which is now worthless on modern (magnum) style cartridges
What's your thoughts on 22-250 sir?
It's very popular.
@@TheRealGunsmith Hornady makes a 35 grain projectile load that is listed at 4450fps out of a 26" rifle quite impressive
Sorry but I'm going to ask ask anyway. I've read that way back Holland & Holland on large bore, straight case, "non-shoulder" fire arms the used the belt to "assist" with head spacing. I really don't under stand for sure what I read.
I do not see where the belt could be used at all to head spacing. Unless something has changed 30-06 or 243 or 223 all headspace off the shoulder. A rimmed cartridge off the rim. So please tell me where I'm wrong.
The belt is a shoulder, lip, tha is used to head space. Merely different methods to head space: belt, shoulder, rimmed.
Thanks for watching!
Are non-belted cartridges more accurate than belted cartridges? Is there even a noticeable difference?
No difference in accuracy. No noticeable difference.
Thanks for watching!
Love the videos.... But why binoculars around your neck sitting inside?
Just a "left over" from the video we taped previous, and we just rolled with the flow and kept going. :)
@@TheRealGunsmith cool.... Thanks for the reply
From The Real Gunsmith's Wife: I just started doing the video work not long before I filmed this. The guy that started moved on to accept an offer he couldn't pass up. I am trying to be more observant! Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment!
To reload unbelted please. Much easier, but I do like my .338 Win. Mag.
I never liked belted brass.it just didn't look right.although I guess it's necessary.i don't care,I can live without those magnum calibers.i like 22 win.mag.rimfire ammo.though.
Anyone that has had a major malfunction in a Lee Enfield rifle can tell you that rims and belts don't work well in magazines.
....lee enfields are a major malfunction....lol
Consider the lee was one of the longest lived war rifles, it wasn't a huge problem , the Russians also used rimmed in their rifles and machine guns for years ,
To: Tru Dat - The .303 Lee-Enfield SMLE battle rifle served the British & Commonwealth Forces for about 7 decades. It is a workhorse designed for hard use on a battlefield, not a once a year deer hunt 20 miles from home.
The rimmed cartridge is always better than a rimless because they always will eject / extract. To this day men are still using the tried and true .303 Lee-Enfield as a hunting rifle. It gets the job done. { Ever hear of the "Mad Minute"? 20 rounds from a Lee-Enfield SMLE in one minute, bullets on target. ( the magazine holds 10 cartridges. ) For many years it was used in the Palma Trophy matches. Distances of the Palma matches were / 800, 900, & 1,000 yards.
P.S. The venerable .303 Lee-Enfield has no belt.
My Rimmed cartridges always eject / extract. .30-30 Win { Stevens Bolt-action ); .303 Brit; .22LR; .38 Spl.; .45 LC; and my 20, 16 and 12 gauge guns. Can't say that for rimless cartridges, especially in self-loaders.
NEVER HAD A GUN WITH A BELTED ROUND . THE ONLY THING I COULD REASON FOR THEM WAS THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE STRONGER . I HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS AS MUNCH SIZING TOLERANCES TO DEAL WITH , GLAD I NEVER ENDED UP WITH ONE . IS THAT A REAL INDIAN MADE SPEER OVER YOUR STOVE OR A STORE BOUGHT SPEER ? MY NEIGHBORS HAVE FOUND ARROW HEADS , POTTERY, A FLESHING STONE AND SO ON BUT I HAVEN'T FOUND A THING .
From The Real Gunsmith's Wife: Our youngest son, Landon, did a lot of flintknapping starting at age 13. I think he made that when he was 14 or 15. His flintknapped knives sold in A. G. Russel Knife Catalog and Russell's for Men catalog for about 20 years.
So if I may ask... you only want .002 - .003 from the end of the go-gauge, to the end of the threads on the barrel? I'm testing one I have, and it has .011...?
Listen again. I did not say this. If you have further questions, go into more detail and email me at randyselby@randyscustomrifles.com
Imagine you are standing ten yards from a grizzly bear standing and looking at you ,, now tell me that you would rather have that creedmoor, than a 338 Winchester magnum with a belt on it and 250 go nosler partitions ,, and I’d say that you guys have balls the size of texas
bobby green how about a 338 Rem Ultra Mag or a 33 Nosler that doesn’t have a belt. There are big cartridges without a belt.
Brent Busick that’s a big yes , we all know that it ain’t the belt , it’s the bullet weight , if you want things to stop quickly, just pick the right bullet over 200 grains and things die very fast like about ten seconds or less
@@bobbygreen2291 10 seconds can be a long time in grizzly county. But I do agree with you when you said pick the right bullet.
Kirk Martin it is , the right bullet is the difference, and for some animals, shot placement works wonders , and to think this article was not even about what I was talking about , it’s about the belt on cartridges,, that serves no purpose, ,,,I spoke up because I felt like a lot of people have got the wrong idea about cartridge selection now days , I am 64 and started reloading at 12 ,, I had a neighbor with a range and reloading equipment and he took me in , and yes it took a lot of years to learn that our choices make a lot of difference in our success. Now after five hundred deer and a lot of other game , I know what really works ,,, and that is as much energy ft pounds as you can stand to shoot.
To: Bobby Green - Well, if a Grizzly Bear was nearby and mean and hungry, I would want a Barnes-X bullet or a Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet NOT a fragmentation device item from Nosler.
You should've just come out and said that the belt on the belted cases are not necessary and only adds complexity to its shape and manufacturing process.
Why? Everyone has likes and dislikes. Many like them. Don't like them, don't use them.
@@TheRealGunsmithI've owned 300 Win Mag. Rem. 700 BDL in the 1970-80s and reloaded and shot several hundreds of rounds. I like the power of the 300WM. I don't dislike the 300WM round. The belt on the belted cases are not necessary, and if the 300WM case was made without the belt, the case would be just as strong and the round just as powerful, assuming the powder volume didn't change. I hope you're not offended by that statement.
My 6.5 creedmore will solve any problem
Spelled: creedmoor.
Except let you stand out in a crowd. {:>))
@@luvtahandload7948 best comment ever lol
@@JPsaysno should be called 6.5mm needmore
@@kirkmartin2223 6.5 Needmore! Haha I'm going to use that one if you don't mind. Haha